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Speaker 1: It's called Messi, and they were nice enough to have

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Speaker 3: But what you did so beautifully, my love, my friend,

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Speaker 1: You know, even with worthy causes, with different nonprofits and

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Speaker 1: organizations that pop up to do really worthy, important things,

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Speaker 1: there becomes this competition.

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Speaker 3: Myself, when I had breast cancer, I saw all the

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Speaker 3: groups say, well, you can't go to this one if

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Speaker 3: you went to this one, as it's so crazy?

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Speaker 4: Are you not so like?

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Speaker 1: But that's the way it is, because I think people

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Speaker 1: become there's something sort of human nature about there. They

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Speaker 1: become very territorial. And I've seen this time and time again.

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Speaker 1: You girls, I keep saying you guys, time and time again,

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Speaker 1: with so many different great philanthropic organizations. So you know,

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Speaker 1: we said, why can't you know, if two heads are

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Speaker 1: better than one, aren't ten heads better than two? Why

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Speaker 1: can't we collaborate? Why can't we share research because one

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Speaker 1: of the things I found when Jay, my husband was sick,

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Speaker 1: is that it was so siloed and and it was hard.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I would call cancer institute, research institutions and academic centers

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Speaker 1: and pharmaceutical companies and they were all kind of working

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Speaker 1: on their own and they weren't really talking to each other.

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Speaker 1: And at first the scientists were like, we're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to share our research and our tissue samples.

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Speaker 5: And then they became.

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Speaker 1: So energized by this group approach that some of them

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Speaker 1: even go on vacation together now. So I think we

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Speaker 1: just tried to change the paradigm of how cancer research

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Speaker 1: was done. And I'm very involved with a film that's

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Speaker 1: coming out on Amazon about Brian Wallack and his wife.

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Speaker 3: I watched the trailer today. I'm still emotional about it.

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Speaker 3: I think that crime are so amazing.

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Speaker 2: Tell us all about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's Brian Wallack and Sondra Abravea, and they met

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Speaker 1: working on the Obama campaign. They are the nicest, cutest, smartest,

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Speaker 1: coolest couple. And I read an article about them in

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Speaker 1: Politico and I was involved and still am in Project

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Speaker 1: Als because my friend Jennifer Estes, who had this theater

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Speaker 1: company called Naked Angels in New York. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you all knew Jennifer.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know her, but Naked Angels I knew.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: So Jennifer died of ALS, and I had become very

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Speaker 1: close to her and her sisters, and they've done amazing research.

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Speaker 1: So I was pretty familiar with ALS in general. And

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Speaker 1: I read an article in Politico written by a guy

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Speaker 1: named Sam Stein, and I was so moved by this

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Speaker 1: article and I called Sam Stein. I DMed him on

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Speaker 1: Twitter now X and I said, Hey, Sam, that was

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Speaker 1: such an incredible piece. And I had read in the

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Speaker 1: article that Brian's roommate at Yale had been following him

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Speaker 1: around for three years. I said, it says they're working

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Speaker 1: on a documentary. I'd love to be helpful in any

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Speaker 1: way I can, because I was just so taken by

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Speaker 1: this couple. And so I did it. During the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: I did a zoom with Sondra and Brian, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we sort of fell in love and we become good friends.

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Speaker 1: And I just am an executive producer. I helped with

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Speaker 1: some of the funding, not a ton and and now

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Speaker 1: Amazon is going to air it, I think starting next month.

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Speaker 1: I believe we're going to the premiere in l a h.

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Speaker 1: Next Monday Night. But it's it's just a very inspiring story,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think people don't know what they'll do

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Speaker 1: or how they're how they'll react until it actually happens

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Speaker 1: to them. I don't know how how I would honestly

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Speaker 1: with the whole no.

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Speaker 3: I mean hosting, we talk about like MS right and

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Speaker 3: what where where where did we think this was going

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Speaker 3: to be? Like how where in our minds did this happen?

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Speaker 3: And I know als is? I mean, I'm not comparing interesting.

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Speaker 3: But I love that in part of it he wants

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Speaker 3: to help people with we call it multiples. That's that's

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Speaker 3: how we pronounce it.

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Speaker 5: You did.

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Speaker 2: But like his mission, the fact that he turned it

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Speaker 2: into a missions Yes.

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Speaker 4: Freaking beautiful. I cannot wait to watch it.

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Speaker 5: I'm so happy for love and life, Yes right.

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Speaker 1: For love and Life. And the subtitle is no ordinary campaign,

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Speaker 1: No ordinary campaign.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I have friends of mine sometimes that will say to me,

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Speaker 2: like Jamie, I don't know how you do it, Like

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Speaker 2: I would never be this way in your situation. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's like what you said, Katie, you just

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Speaker 2: don't know what you would do until you're faced with

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Speaker 2: these things. And I am a believer that we are

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Speaker 2: given things for a reason for our growth, and certain

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Speaker 2: of us are given things and that have a platform.

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Speaker 4: And I don't like my reason, Jamie, I don't like Well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's given Christina my voice. I think it's

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Speaker 2: given Christina a voice. But aside from that, I just

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Speaker 2: I think that it's it's so much of who you

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Speaker 2: are and this person. Like these stories like ours and

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Speaker 2: Brian's and yours there they're meant to give perspective, They're

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Speaker 2: meant to give encouragement, They're meant to give life and

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Speaker 2: and and I am so as heartbreaking as it is

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Speaker 2: to watch and to experience myself, I wouldn't I truly

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Speaker 2: wouldn't change it, as hard as that is for me

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Speaker 2: in some days, as much as it breaks my heart

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Speaker 2: to struggle physically, I really don't want to know who

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Speaker 2: I am without without MS and I and I not

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Speaker 2: to think that Brian would, you know, wish he had

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Speaker 2: had a als in his life, but what he's doing

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Speaker 2: with his life because of it will change the course

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Speaker 2: of so many people's lives and that that is that

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Speaker 2: is a life well lived, you know, and I think

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Speaker 2: that they're really an example of that, and I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: so excited for people to see that. And again, no

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Speaker 2: surprise that you're involved in a project like.

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Speaker 4: Jamie, why do you always fuck my hearty? Sorry? Sorry

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Speaker 4: Katie Carl.

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Speaker 5: Christine Applegate.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the reason I started talking about this movie about

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Speaker 1: Brian and Sondra is I think for neurodegenerative diseases that

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Speaker 1: they would it would serve them well, the communities and

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Speaker 1: the scientists to me to be more collaborative because so

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Speaker 1: much of this I think they have. You know, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor or scientist, but there are many

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Speaker 1: similarities but among these diseases, and I know Brian is

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Speaker 1: really stoked to try to kind of almost model a

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Speaker 1: whole consortium of scientists after this stand up to cancer

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Speaker 1: idea to work together. You know, I'm very good friends

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Speaker 1: with Michael J. Fox and his wife Tracy. He is

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Speaker 1: one of my personal heroes. But Parkinson's als MS, Huntington's Alzheimer's,

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Speaker 1: you know, they all have you know, they have on

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Speaker 1: the Venn diagram, there's areas of overlap, and I hope

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Speaker 1: that somebody will take the lead, and maybe it can

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Speaker 1: be you two to or maybe it can be people

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Speaker 1: who are listening in this community to say, how can

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Speaker 1: we make this happen? You know, life is the art

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Speaker 1: of the possible, and why can't we all collaborate? And

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Speaker 1: my whole idea was we'll move science forward faster if

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Speaker 1: we collaborate instead of compete. But for some reason, it

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Speaker 1: just isn't. It's not the default for a lot of us.

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Speaker 1: We are competitive and you know, credit mongery and territorial

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just human nature. So I hope that

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Speaker 1: I hope that comes to pass because I do think

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Speaker 1: it would be a really positive development for so many people.

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Speaker 5: Me too.

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Speaker 3: I hope for that for us, you know, for us

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Speaker 3: who are disabled, you know, and and I know it

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Speaker 3: I hate saying that word, but it is. It's the

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Speaker 3: truth of kind of where we live and with immuno

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Speaker 3: compromised and neuro stuff, and there has to be something.

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Speaker 3: Oh God, I can't wait for the day that people

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Speaker 3: just don't put ego and and.

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Speaker 4: All of that ahead of literally saving people's lives. I

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Speaker 4: just don't get. It makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: To me, and you know, all these different diseases are

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Speaker 1: vying for funding, so it's very tough, you know, But

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I used to give speeches and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you can put the entire in Cyclopedia

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Speaker 1: Britannica on a tiny little microchip, right or I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just it's so frustrating. And I think, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I admire and respect scientists and medical researchers more than

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Speaker 1: anyone in the world, and they get very little support

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Speaker 1: or recognition from the general public. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's their faul. I think these diseases are just exceedingly complex.

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Speaker 1: But I really, gosh, I just can't think of a

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Speaker 1: more important cause for then to help people be well

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Speaker 1: and to help figure out how to not only prevent

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Speaker 1: these diseases, but treat these diseases and cure these diseases.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we talk all about Christina's role

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Speaker 1: as Veronica Corningstone in one of my favorite movies, Anchorman,

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Speaker 1: and we discuss our stripper names. How's that for tease?

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Speaker 1: That's right after this. If you want to get smarter,

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Speaker 1: every morning with a breakdown of the news and fascinating

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Speaker 1: takes on health and wellness and pop Culture. Sign up

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Speaker 1: for our daily newsletter Wake Up Call by going to

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Speaker 1: Katiecuric dot com. We're back with Christina Applegate and Jamie

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Speaker 1: Linz Siegler.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to like shift a little bit, Jamie.

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Speaker 1: You know I love to shift, go baby go, or

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Speaker 1: as we used to say on The Today Show, on

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Speaker 1: a lighter note.

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Speaker 3: I'm shifting only not because I don't want to keep

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Speaker 3: talking about this, but I also want some nuggets from me. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we had a guest on and this is something that

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Speaker 3: we do with all of our guests. We just ask

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Speaker 3: about little baby you. And we had a guest on

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Speaker 3: last week who I said, who's little baby you? And

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Speaker 3: she said, I wore saddle shoes, and so I kind

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Speaker 3: of want to know little baby Katy. M little baby

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Speaker 3: Katy and when when was the moment that this became

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Speaker 3: your focus? But little baby Katy is who I wanted, like,

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Speaker 3: toddler Katy? What your shoes?

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Speaker 4: What? What was your street like?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: What did it smell? Like?

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Speaker 5: What is my stripper name?

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Speaker 4: What's your name? No, we don't do that.

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Speaker 5: No, I love my name. What'same is?

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 4: Either?

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Speaker 1: So I lived on fortieth Street and you can't have

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Speaker 1: fortieth Street, but I had two other streets that were

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Speaker 1: perpendicular to fortieth streets, so I would be either Pansy Chesterfield,

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Speaker 1: Oh God, or spicy Woodstock.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, what's yours? Jame? I love it. I

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Speaker 4: love your spicy Woodstock.

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Speaker 2: Did you compare wait Mine's Randy Sutton not as sexy

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Speaker 2: as Katie's Mirandy.

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Speaker 5: You had a pet named Randy? I did.

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Speaker 2: I had a dog named Randy.

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Speaker 4: Our first dog I was Kicky lookout.

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Speaker 5: Oh well that works, It totally works. You look out,

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Speaker 5: look Kiky lookout? That works? And what kind of was it?

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Speaker 5: A dog named Kiki or a cat?

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Speaker 3: It was a cat who was eaten by coyotes in

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Speaker 3: the camp. Oh, anyway, I had my cats. We only

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Speaker 3: had cats growing up. But my first cat was Pansy,

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Speaker 3: and Pansy was a black cat. And my second cat

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Speaker 3: was Spicy and I named her after that commercial. Oh mom, Ama,

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Speaker 3: that's a spicy meatball.

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Speaker 4: God.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's so cute.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Young Katie, Sorry, yeah, we digressed. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: it's so predictable. I was the youngest of four kids,

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Speaker 1: so I was always smiling, and my sister and their

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Speaker 1: friends and their boyfriends. I had two older sisters and

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Speaker 1: an older brother, and they would call me smiley and

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Speaker 1: I would flirt with a paper boy, Ralph Osca. I

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Speaker 1: was just a very phototypical youngest child.

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Speaker 4: And where lays At some point after we I know.

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Speaker 1: I loved Ralph Janaska what Ralphie I think we called him?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and I guess I don't know what shoes

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Speaker 1: I wore.

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Speaker 5: I wore.

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Speaker 1: I did wear saddle shoes because I was a cheerleader,

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Speaker 1: of course, and back back in the day cheerleaders wore

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Speaker 1: saddle shoes with their uniforms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what was the moment, Like, I don't, I know,

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Speaker 3: it's like a weird thing because people always ask.

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Speaker 1: Me, like when you wanted to become when you wanted

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Speaker 1: to become a bestmony And.

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Speaker 3: I was like, my mom had no money and I

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Speaker 3: had to help pay the rent.

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Speaker 4: So that's how it happened.

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Speaker 3: But I've talked about that at no, you were in cute,

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Speaker 3: But like, what was it?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like suddenly I asked Barbara streisand I asked

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Speaker 1: Barbara streysand went Sandan No, I mean I interviewed her

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Speaker 1: on my my talk show. And I'm also fascinated like

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Speaker 1: by origin stories and what you know that movie Sliding Doors,

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Speaker 1: and how like one decision changes everything and if you

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Speaker 1: had done something different, the course of your life would

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Speaker 1: be dramatically different. But for me, it wasn't like this

688
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Speaker 1: epiphany or this aha moment like I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: a TV journalist. It was basically I think it suited

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Speaker 1: who I was and am in that I never met

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Speaker 1: a stranger.

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Speaker 5: I'm extremely outgoing. I love to write. I love words.

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Speaker 1: We used to have to bring a new word to

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Speaker 1: the dinner table every night, a new vocabulary word.

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Speaker 5: My dad would make us do that.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And basically I wanted to go into maybe advertising.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do something creative and fun. And my

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Speaker 1: dad had been in public relations and had also been

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Speaker 1: a newspaper man. He'd written for the Atlanta Constitution and

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Speaker 1: United Press. He was an editor there, and I think

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Speaker 1: he saw in me something that would align with a

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Speaker 1: career in journalism. So that's really how it happened. And

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Speaker 1: I was lucky and I worked hard, and you know,

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Speaker 1: during college, I worked at different radio stations and I

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Speaker 1: knew sort of kind of what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: And then and I worked really hard, and I saw

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Speaker 1: people succeeding, and I had this maybe lack of humility

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Speaker 1: to say, well, what do they have that I don't have.

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Speaker 1: I'm just as good as they are. I can be

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Speaker 1: successful even when people told me I was terrible at

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Speaker 1: my job. So I think I had this. I was

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Speaker 1: just persistent and thought, you know, I really believe Malcolm

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Speaker 1: Gladwell is right. It takes ten thousand hours to become

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Speaker 1: proficient at something, and I just needed to do it

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Speaker 1: more and I needed to hone my craft, as they say,

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Speaker 1: and that's how it happened. And I was very, very fortunate.

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Speaker 1: But I also worked extremely hard. But there, you know,

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Speaker 1: there was kismet involved in all kinds of things, and

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Speaker 1: I think there isn't anyone's career, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: right time, right place. There's so many talented people out there,

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Speaker 1: you all, I mean so many. One thing social media

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Speaker 1: has taught me is good lord. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of incredibly creative, talented people out there, and I think

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Speaker 1: we've all been very lucky for whatever reason. We You know,

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Speaker 1: Jamie was on probably the most successful TV show and

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Speaker 1: TV history, and Christina, you know how long was married

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Speaker 1: with children on I mean, you became sort of a

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Speaker 1: household name and fixture and then dead to me was

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Speaker 1: so so good so, and you've done a lot of

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Speaker 1: other stuff. You've done Broadway. I remember when you were

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Speaker 1: in Sweet Charity, right, I should have actually looked at

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Speaker 1: all your cvs.

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Speaker 5: But more I got on.

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Speaker 3: This, But no, you're not supposed to look at our

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Speaker 3: IMAD buzz. That's why I was calling him the buzz.

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Speaker 3: It's IMDb. But I was going to say because earlier

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Speaker 3: I asked you about, you know, the glass ceiling. And

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Speaker 3: I was in a movie called Anchorman, and I based

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Speaker 3: my character on Jessica Savage, who was going up in

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Speaker 3: a in a very male dominated world of news in journalism.

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Speaker 1: And that name Veronica Corny Star, so you're you're you're

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Speaker 1: close enough, take a.

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Speaker 2: Sip, another great tripper name.

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Speaker 4: But it was Veronica Cornstone.

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Speaker 5: Veronica.

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Speaker 4: I'm just messing with you.

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Speaker 1: But no, but Christina, can I tell you I love

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Speaker 1: that movie very much and I loved you in it.

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Speaker 6: I just want you to know that if Ron does

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Speaker 6: not show up, I am ready to go on.

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Speaker 4: Sweetheart.

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Speaker 1: You and I have had this discussion a million times,

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Speaker 1: there's never been a woman anchor.

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Speaker 4: Mister Harkin.

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Speaker 6: This city needs its news, going to deprive them of

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Speaker 6: that because I have breasts, exquisite breasts. Now, I am

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Speaker 6: going to go on, and if you want to try

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Speaker 6: and stop me, bring it on, because I am good

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Speaker 6: at three things, fighting, screwing, and reading the news. Now

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Speaker 6: I've already done one of those today, So what's the

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Speaker 6: other one going to be?

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Speaker 4: Huh?

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Speaker 5: You were so funny, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: But I'm bringing this up because I read Golden Girl,

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Speaker 3: which was I think was Jessica Savage's book, right, And

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Speaker 3: I know I wasn't at the time supposed to say that.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of loosely based on her kind of

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Speaker 3: trajectory in that world of men. So I can only

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Speaker 3: imagine what I had asked before is, what, how did

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Speaker 3: you just kick that motherfucking door down, girl, Katie.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm going to say it, Katie, motherfucking courage.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Really, I'm looking at the name of the book because

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Speaker 1: I read that book too, and I was so sad.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget. My mom came into my bedroom. I

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Speaker 1: was busy. My mom and dad in Arlington, Virginia, and

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Speaker 1: she came in one morning and say said, Jessica Savage

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Speaker 1: has died, and she was so.

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Speaker 4: Mom did the same thing. That's crazy.

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Speaker 5: She was thirty six years old.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, every single night.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 2: So young?

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Speaker 5: So young?

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Speaker 1: And that was and it was much worse for Jessica

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Speaker 1: than it was even for me. You know, Barbara Walters,

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Speaker 1: My friend Susan Page just wrote a book about Barbara,

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Speaker 1: who was really remarkable. And when she was on the

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Speaker 1: Today Show, the male anchors had to ask were it

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Speaker 1: was required that they asked three questions before she could

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Speaker 1: ask one, and it was just so obnoxious.

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Speaker 5: And oh my god.

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Speaker 1: You know, listen, there was still a lot of sexism

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Speaker 1: when I came up the ranks, but it was slowly changing,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's changed even more now. You wonder

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Speaker 1: if it's because so many meat outlets. It's been so fragmented.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really have a place in the culture at

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Speaker 1: once did when Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings and Dan

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Speaker 1: Rather did the news right and they were at the

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Speaker 1: epicenter of journalism every single night. Yeah, you've seen many

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Speaker 1: more women doing well in media. I mean, I mean gosh,

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Speaker 1: it's a struggling industry right now for a whole host

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Speaker 1: of reasons. But you know, I felt like at the

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Speaker 1: Today Show I was given a lot of opportunities. The

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Speaker 1: executive producer at the time was very young, named Jeff Sucker.

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Speaker 1: He was in his twenties. He gave me lots of opportunities.

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Speaker 1: I think he was a different generation than a lot

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Speaker 1: of the executives who had been there before. And I

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Speaker 1: think I just you know, and I really respect and

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Speaker 1: admire Brian Gumbel, but he's a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: male chauveness pig, as we used to say, and back

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Speaker 1: in the day, wait, can.

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Speaker 4: I do this? Let's do it live?

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Speaker 5: Oh that's I know.

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Speaker 4: But I just had to say that we're going live.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it live.

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Speaker 3: We're doing it live, and that I think that was

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Speaker 3: actually what inspired that inspired Anchorman.

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Speaker 5: So you see, oh really, oh my god, I had

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Speaker 5: no idea anyway. But but all right.

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it was hard at times,

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Speaker 1: but I also think I had a lot of opportunities.

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Speaker 1: So I don't like to do the woe is Me thing,

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Speaker 1: And I think I just love my work. I love

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Speaker 1: telling stories, I love talking to people. I love learning

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Speaker 1: from people. I love trying to understand this crazy world

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Speaker 1: we're in. I just I love I love people people.

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Speaker 2: But you're carved out your voice, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: In a panel of that's male dominated, you carved out

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Speaker 2: your space and what your your voice and how you

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Speaker 2: could deliver and no one else could do that. And

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Speaker 2: that's and that comes from like you said, you know,

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Speaker 2: you always believed why not me? You paved a beautiful way.

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Speaker 1: I think people are doing incredible work and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of great journalism happening now. I think there's also

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Speaker 1: a lot of shitty, terrible false journalism, manipulated, cherry picked,

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Speaker 1: distorted information that comes through your feed, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's really hard. It's a very hard environment. But

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Speaker 1: I think for me, if I had to say, not

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Speaker 1: only was it Jamie that I thought why not me?

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Speaker 1: But I also thought, I'm going to be me. I

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Speaker 1: am going to be who I am. I cannot fake it.

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Speaker 1: I hate pretentious, faky people. They grossed me out and

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not going to be I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to pretend I'm anyone or anything I'm not. And

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Speaker 1: I made that decision early on And I remember John Chancellor,

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Speaker 1: he always pronounced a. Chancellor wrote me a lovely letter

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Speaker 1: when I was named the anchor the Today Show, and

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Speaker 1: he said something like the camera is the world's best

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Speaker 1: bullshit direct a bullshit detector or BS detector, And basically

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Speaker 1: I think he was saying it will come through if

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Speaker 1: you're not being who you are, Like viewers aren't stupid,

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Speaker 1: you know, and they are going to know your essence

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Speaker 1: and who you are.

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Speaker 4: He's like left me like, are they are they not stupid?

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Speaker 2: Well, we can treat them like they're stupid, but they're not,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 5: You know, you you really hope they're not.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and I think there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: really I think unfortunately, sometimes the people with the loudest

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00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: voices have the smallest brains. And I think there are

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Speaker 1: so many smart, thoughtful people out there who understand you

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Speaker 1: need to have a nuanced conversation that their issues are complex.

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Speaker 1: It's not an easy sound bite and you have to

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Speaker 1: sometimes think dialectically. Yes, And and I think in this

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Speaker 1: very tribal black and white world we live in, you know,

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Speaker 1: we feel pushed to take sides and push to say

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Speaker 1: one thing or the other, when maybe it's a combination

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Speaker 1: of both, and I don't know, it's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: very it's a very fraught time in our in our

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Speaker 1: information ecosystem, I think.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel that. Well, what are

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00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: you to tell us about, Katie Kirk Media, your slate

876
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Speaker 2: of projects and all your what you hope, your hopes

877
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: and dreams for it.

878
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think I realized and I think

879
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: one thing I am good at at is being prescient,

880
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: like looking at the world around me and kind of anticipate,

881
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: painting how things are going to change. And I think

882
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: visa v journalism, I realized that, you know, people were

883
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: not watching television at you know, what is it called

884
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: appointment viewing?

885
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 5: Right right?

886
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: You all witness that in your industry that people were

887
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: watching things when they wanted to see them. You know,

888
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: first it was TVO and then other things, and then

889
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: of course streaming took over, and I saw the same

890
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: thing happening for news. You know, people that you had

891
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: to really go where people were, and now they're everywhere,

892
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: and they're a million different tributaries that you know, lead

893
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: to the collective consciousness. And by the way, oftentimes it

894
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: doesn't because everybody's creating their own little echo chamber and ecosystem, right,

895
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: They're all kind of that, as my friend Nicole says,

896
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: they're getting affirmation, not information. But anyway, I saw, I

897
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 1: witnessed all these things changing, and I thought, gosh, even

898
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: and I did a syndicated talk show in twenty eleven

899
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: and twenty twelve, I thought, I kind of feel like

900
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm writing on the back of a dinosaur. I feel

901
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: like the world is changing and I'm hanging on to

902
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: traditional media in a way where this is not where

903
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: the puck is going.

904
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 5: So I went.

905
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: I did a syndicated talk show which really just did

906
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: in the line with the kind of things I'm interested

907
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: in what an afternoon audience really wanted to watch.

908
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 5: And I don't blame them.

909
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: They wanted to watch sort of more fun, lighthearted, fair

910
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: and for all my you know, quote unquote pirkiness. I'm

911
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: actually a pretty serious person, you know, I really care

912
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: about important issues and I'm really I really try to

913
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: learn every day.

914
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 5: So anyway, I went to Yahoo.

915
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: To try to to really cultivate a digital media operation,

916
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: but they just really that wasn't that wasn't really a

917
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: good fit because I don't think they were really there

918
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't in their DNA. And I thought, but boy,

919
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: I really want to keep working. I love my job.

920
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: I think I have something to offer. And I said

921
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: to my husband, why don't we just create our own thing,

922
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: because you know, I came up in the business when

923
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: you could be a household name. You know, Christina, You said,

924
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: I can't name any mail journalists now. And I think

925
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: it's much harder to penetrate, you know, the consciousness for

926
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: all the reasons I've told you, you know, with so

927
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: many options and.

928
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 5: This paradox of choice.

929
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: So I thought, why don't I create something I can

930
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: mentor some young people.

931
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 5: I can be a job creator.

932
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: And I've never been an entrepreneur, and I thought, gosh,

933
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: that would be a really great learning experience. My husband

934
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 1: is very smart in business. He was in finance, and

935
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: he said, gosh, why don't we work together. If not,

936
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever I'll ever see you. So

937
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: I said, great, And so we created this media company.

938
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: We have a newsletter called wake Up Call. We have

939
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: a very vibrant website. I do a podcast like you

940
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: All call Next Question, and we do I do important interviews,

941
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: and I think because I've established myself as a you know,

942
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: a professional who knows what she's doing. A lot of

943
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: big people will talk to me. You know, Kamala Harris

944
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: did an interview with me not too long ago. Mike

945
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: is familiar with her, Michael McFall, who was the US

946
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: ambassador to Russia, you know, Richard Haas my friend, who's

947
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: head on ahead of the Council on Foreign Relations.

948
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 5: So and a lot of people.

949
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: Because of the name recognition, they're willing to talk to me,

950
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: which is so nice. And I think they know that

951
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: I am you know, I come prepared and I think

952
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: they trust me honestly, and so I've been able to

953
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: do that. And we want to get more people into

954
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: the fold. So you know, I'm not doing everything, but

955
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: we also are our financial model and then I'll stop talking.

956
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: Is working with brands that are really interesting.

957
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 4: Just don't stop talking. I'm pretty sure I want you

958
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 4: to adopt me.

959
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: Okay, brands, brands that are you know as Trust in institutions,

960
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: government media, all kinds of our institutions has declined. Trust,

961
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: believe it or not, in companies has increased. If you

962
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: look at the Edelman Trust Barometer, if you look at

963
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: the Business Roundtable. People are lucky.

964
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 4: Can you stop trying to make me feel dumb?

965
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, But I'm kidding.

966
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 4: I'm kidding. I'm just kidding.

967
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 5: I know no word.

968
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: There was a word you said earlier. It was like

969
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 3: almost like homunculus, but it was like I don't know

970
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: what the word was. And I was like, never heard

971
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: that word. And I value myself as really really smart.

972
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 3: I literally have an etymology dictionary next to my bed

973
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 3: because I love words.

974
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: But you said something that I never heard it in

975
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: my life.

976
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 5: I was like, what was it?

977
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 4: If it started with a C.

978
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: I was texting Alison like what was that word? It

979
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: was like, come cause I don't know. And it was

980
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: like I think I need to bring it into my verbiage.

981
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 3: I need I need to take it out.

982
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 5: I love words, love words.

983
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 4: I'm a word. I'm a word nerd.

984
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So can I tell you a word that okay

985
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: that people always misuse that I misused for a long time?

986
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 5: Well, there are there are a few.

987
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 4: Oh, there's so many.

988
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 3: I'm sure all of us nonplussed. What do you think

989
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: nonplus mean? It's French, It's not plun Do you think

990
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 3: it means my show.

991
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 5: It means not to be don't look it up, don't

992
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 5: I'm not.

993
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: Not to be messed with, Like you're not you don't

994
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: know because you're dumb, because you don't know the word that.

995
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 5: Actually, that was a good. That was a good.

996
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 4: That was a definition of the word.

997
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: Try Yeah, no, no, no, it's good because most people

998
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: think it means unbothered.

999
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 4: No, it's like you're you're not in it it, like

1000
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: you don't get it.

1001
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: You're somebody seized and confused. Yes, that's yeah, I know

1002
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: what that word. The other one, the other word that

1003
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 3: bothers me. But the people say is exponentially, and they

1004
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: use it incorrectly constantly correct Well, exponentially is It's it's

1005
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: almost like a math kind of thing. It's like going

1006
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: down here to hear with like you know, money or

1007
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 3: you know, like in government and and you know it's

1008
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: changed exponentially. You can't say that you went to therapy

1009
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: and you changed exponentially. That's actually not the definition. But

1010
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 3: I feel like Webster's Dictionary has changed it now for

1011
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: this generation that they can apparently use that word however

1012
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: they want to use it.

1013
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: Well, it says with reference to an increase more and

1014
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: more rapidly. Our business has been growing exponentially. Mathematics by

1015
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: means of or as expressed by a mathematical exponent values

1016
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: distributed exponentially according to a given time constant. Whatever the

1017
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: hell that means. But I know what you mean. Okay,

1018
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: you want Okay, that's good, that's you know. Another one

1019
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: is people say primer instead of primmer. Primer is something

1020
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: you put under a coat of paint. Primmer is like

1021
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: a lesson.

1022
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 4: And I've never even heard.

1023
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: The word life you have there No, no, either one

1024
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: of us I've heard.

1025
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 5: I'm going to start giving you like a word of

1026
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 5: the day.

1027
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 4: Oh please wait, I have to show you this case.

1028
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 5: I guess a primer is what you put on your

1029
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 5: face before me.

1030
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I I put makeup primer.

1031
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 5: On right prime?

1032
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: Well that's I'm talking about, Like, can you give me

1033
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: a primer on what happened in Afghanistan?

1034
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 5: Right? Uh?

1035
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: There's a small introductory book on a subject, a short

1036
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: informative piece of writing. And I'm going to say, Siri,

1037
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: how do you pronounce p R I M E R

1038
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: when it's a short informative piece of writing? I pronounced primmer?

1039
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: The textbook to rhyme with trimor.

1040
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 4: There you go. Okay, here's my book. It's next to

1041
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 4: my bed.

1042
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 5: What is it?

1043
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: Etymology, smarty pants, it's the origin of words.

1044
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 5: I love that. I'm going to get that book.

1045
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: Oh there's there's so many of them. I have like

1046
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 3: dog eared. Look at I have dog eared of words

1047
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 3: that I love. But I love the etymology of words.

1048
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: It's like there their source of where they came from.

1049
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, can I just finish the thought

1050
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: on my our company? No, I was just going to say,

1051
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: So we work with brands that care about big issues.

1052
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: They need to They need to care about more than

1053
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: the bottom line, not only for consumers, but also for employees.

1054
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: You know, employees want to work for a company that

1055
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: they that they feel good about, right, And so we

1056
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: have big brands like Procter and Gamble and Exact Sciences

1057
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: and all these other places who we align with to

1058
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: tell stories about things they care about.

1059
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: Thank you, I love that so much. Okay, so this

1060
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: this game you all you have to do is tell

1061
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: Madame Christina five favorite movies of yours. Don't think about it.

1062
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: This is how she says, don't think about too much

1063
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: about it. Say them, and she's going to be able

1064
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: to basically tell you exactly who you are because of

1065
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: those things.

1066
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: And there are movies that you could watch over and

1067
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 3: over and over again. So no thinking five and I'm

1068
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: going to write them down.

1069
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: Okay, something's got to give the Shawshank redemption. The sound

1070
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: of music, West Side Story, Rear Window, I don't know.

1071
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: Oh goodbye, mister Chips, the nineteen thirty eight version with

1072
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: Robert Donnaugh.

1073
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 4: I didn't see that.

1074
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 5: It's so good, it's so sad.

1075
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 4: Don't tell me things. Hold on, Okay, you guys talk

1076
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 4: while I meditate on this.

1077
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: Shashank was one my list as really.

1078
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 5: I love that movie.

1079
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: I do too. I do too.

1080
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's done.

1081
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 4: It's done. It's great.

1082
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: She knows she's got it.

1083
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 4: Justice.

1084
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 3: You want justice for yourself, for your loved ones, for

1085
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: your childhood, for the work that you do.

1086
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 4: You want justice. It's like, it's it's.

1087
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 3: Really clear why Rear Window is a man trying to

1088
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: figure out what the heck is going on over there?

1089
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 4: Right?

1090
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 5: Yeah? You want justice, person.

1091
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 3: You want to see you like everything here. I wrote

1092
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 3: them down. Everything here is about the puzzle of life.

1093
01:01:59,040 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 4: And I think that.

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Speaker 2: You yeah, that was I didn't put justice against the Nazis, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Nazis and singing and uh and singing and curtains

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Speaker 4: were clothes. Okay, she wanted justice to whatever. Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 4: I didn't put that one down.

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Speaker 1: And Maria wanted justice she did, she did, and she

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Speaker 1: was the underdog, right Jamie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is all like an underdog going for what

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Speaker 3: is truth? Like it's so freaking.

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Speaker 5: Son of a woman, scent of a woman. Yes, oh rah, oh.

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Speaker 2: That was with your cold.

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Speaker 5: That was good, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I do think I do. I do care about justice

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Speaker 1: and fairness, So I think that troubably right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe from her kid if you saw stuff on

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Speaker 3: the playground, did you ever see like kids being mean

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Speaker 3: to another kid and you wanted to take care of them?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, because everything you're.

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Speaker 3: Doing is about someone wanting JF and someone playing chess

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Speaker 3: in life and trying to figure out how can we

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Speaker 3: make this better for everyone else?

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Speaker 4: I do like I.

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Speaker 1: Am very acutely aware of people, Like if somebody's standing

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Speaker 1: by themselves at a party, I'm sure you guys do

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Speaker 1: this too. I always walk up to them and talk

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Speaker 1: to them. Or I remember there was a girl in

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Speaker 1: my piano group who never got the prize, And I said,

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Speaker 1: Missus Richmond, I hope I hope that gosh, what was

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Speaker 1: her name, Joscelyn or something, I hope she wins a

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Speaker 1: piano pen today and Missus Richmond gave her the pin.

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Speaker 1: And I do think I'm very sensitive when somebody else

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Speaker 1: is hurting.

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Speaker 4: I think that's evident.

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Speaker 3: In your movies, but also evident in the incredible legacy

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Speaker 3: you have given to all of us all over the

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Speaker 3: world with your journalism, your kindness, your brilliance. Mine.

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Speaker 1: Oh quit, Christina, You're good. You have four I think

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Speaker 1: we have another four hours to finish.

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Speaker 4: Good good, good boobies that are healthy. Yeah, good boobies

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Speaker 4: are healthy and those things.

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Speaker 2: What about pleasure?

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Speaker 5: So I'm so happy.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to do this you guys, and anything

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Speaker 1: I can ever do for you or for the MS community,

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Speaker 1: I want to just say again, thank you for what

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Speaker 1: you're doing to bring people together. I admire people who

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Speaker 1: I have a friend named Ali who was diagnosed with Parkinson's.

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Speaker 1: I think she's forty seven and I met her because

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Speaker 1: we met at the Michael J. Fox Walk in Central

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Speaker 1: Park a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: And you know she is.

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Speaker 1: Using her platform to help other young women who have

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Speaker 1: Parkinson's And gosh, isn't it a gift when you can

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Speaker 1: make people feel less alone?

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Speaker 5: I mean, what is better than that? Honestly nothing?

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Speaker 4: A cure for all our things? We love that too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but yes, that's the.

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Speaker 4: Only thing I wish better.

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Speaker 3: But other than that, thank you always for what you

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Speaker 3: have done for this world, like I don't think you

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Speaker 3: read the world and for us. And we we usually

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Speaker 3: do something where we pull a card, a spiritual card

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Speaker 3: at the end, and we have never done it with

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Speaker 3: the guest on.

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Speaker 4: We do it after they've left.

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Speaker 5: Oh but you want me to leave?

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Speaker 4: No, watch what I'm saying. We want you to stay.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna pull my card now here we go.

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Speaker 2: The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more

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Speaker 2: joy you can contain.

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Speaker 4: I think that says it all.

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Speaker 5: Who said that, Jamie? Is that a quote?

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Speaker 2: Khalil Gibron?

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Speaker 1: He wrote a very because he wrote the prophet. Yes, exactly. Wait,

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Speaker 1: I want to read a quote for you all.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 1: There's also a nice quote that Michael J. Fox used

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Speaker 1: recently in a speech he gave, and it was part

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Speaker 1: of a letter by Albert Camu since we're doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of French stuff Christina, and he wrote, in the

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Speaker 1: middle of winter, I found there was within me an

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Speaker 1: invincible summer.

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Speaker 5: I love that quote.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful, Okay, but the whole thing. You want me to

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Speaker 1: read the whole thing or okay, my dear. In the

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Speaker 1: midst of hate, I found there was within me an

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Speaker 1: invincible love. In the midst of tears, I found there

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Speaker 1: was within me an invincible smile. In the midst of chaos,

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Speaker 1: I found there was within me an invincible calm. I

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Speaker 1: realized through it all that in the midst of winter,

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Speaker 1: I found there was within me an invincible summer. And

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Speaker 1: that makes me happy, for it says that no matter

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Speaker 1: how hard the world pushes against me, within me, there's

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Speaker 1: something stronger, something better, pushing right back.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Alan, say so send that and so it is.

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