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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what's ridiculous? Why are we whispering? I don't know? Okay, cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do know what's ridiculous, Elizabeth. Okay. The other day

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Speaker 1: I learned about a new sport. The sport i'd never

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Speaker 1: heard of. I doubt you've ever heard of it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe you get around. It's called worm charming.

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Speaker 1: I've not heard. Well, I've heard not that sport. It's

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Speaker 1: it takes place in England, and the goal is for competitors. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll just late this way. They're given a plot of

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Speaker 1: get worms to emerge from the earth. They're allowed to

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Speaker 1: use a garden fork, you know, like those three fingers things,

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Speaker 1: piece of wood if they want. They can have a

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Speaker 1: And uh, the judges they start the time where they go,

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Speaker 1: youve got thirty minutes, right, and then the goals to

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Speaker 1: there's the only one rule, no dig right now. The

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Speaker 1: idea is that, you know, you can use various techniques

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Speaker 1: for the wood and everything, and then the vibrations drive

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Speaker 1: the earth. Now, if you can guess, how many do

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Speaker 1: you think as a world record for worms charmed out

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Speaker 1: And it's just thick with them. No, it's just normal earth.

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Speaker 1: They don't put they don't put any your own. It's

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Speaker 1: just coming out of the earth. And the only rule

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Speaker 1: they all come up after exactly. So that that record,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I set so it's out there if

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Speaker 1: you want to break it, all right, I'll get to it. Ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: That is really ridiculous. Again, I kind of want to

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Speaker 1: speaking of England. Yeah, you know what else is ridiculous

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Speaker 1: aside from worm charming? A couple of things, Yeah, one

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Speaker 1: on fifteen dude stealing a train. Yeah, this is ridiculous

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Speaker 1: crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, cons.

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Speaker 1: It's always murder free and on ridiculous. Damn right, we

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Speaker 1: have a pretty cool theme song, right, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: it totally fits the show somehow. Um, what would you

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Speaker 1: songs with my clumsy segways, favorite TV themes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: a jangly. Oh really it's like piano. No, it's an

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Speaker 1: you'd like it. Well, there are a lot of robberies

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Speaker 1: There's banking, sharp and clean. Um. Speaking of robberies, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you today about a robbery. Man, I'm into

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Speaker 1: it here. Here's the thing. If it weren't not for

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Speaker 1: this particular robbery, we likely wouldn't have had one of

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that later. Buckled up. Let's talk crime. First.

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Speaker 1: Hit me with you like crime, right, you never heard

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Speaker 1: of it? That's when someone breaks the law. Let's talk robbery. Um,

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Speaker 1: you've told me about train robberies before, right, Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: Billy Minor Robin trains in the Old West. Um so,

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Speaker 1: train robbery. I want to tell you about today. Happened

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Speaker 1: Like this, I am just breaking all sorts of stereotypes

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Speaker 1: So went down in there. Used to this train service

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Speaker 1: Goody and Buster Edwards. Gordon and Buster. So he's like, Gordon, Buster,

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Speaker 1: right off Gordon Busters. I don't know that. Gordon is

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Speaker 1: deep into post war black market stuff. Yeah, he's a

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Speaker 1: is a place. He's from, Ulster. I just wanted to um.

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Speaker 1: And so he knew which cars weren't tricked out and

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Speaker 1: cars they normally carry around three grand after bank holidays,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot more because it's a long weekend. People

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Speaker 1: the numbers? Somewhere between two and three million pounds whoa, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: lot hot damn right. So Gordon and Buster they're like,

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Speaker 1: me in, you know, Gordon and Busters can wait, We

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Speaker 1: FIDE's their criminals. They're part of the Southwest Gang, which

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Speaker 1: my stop watch. Um. And with that truck land rovers

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00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: they peel out into the night. They've just stolen two

421
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: and a half million pounds this mind blowing fortune. Um.

422
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: They ramble along the road to leather Slade Farm. They're

423
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: listening to police brook and uh, they're listening to police

424
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: broadcasts on the scanner. Leather Slade Farm sounds like where

425
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: a heavy metal band would live. Yeah, yeah, that's one option.

426
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: That's I know. I'm steering us that way. I'm not

427
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: going to steer elsewhere. So take some forty five minutes

428
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: to get to leather Slade Farm. I'm just gonna keep

429
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 1: saying it to driving that. Um. They pull up and

430
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: they hear calls going out on the police radio about

431
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: their taper. Yeah we'll see that. A postal worker on

432
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: the train managed to flag down a passing train heading

433
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: to Cheddington, and the police announced what would become a

434
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: famous line over their radio band, can you give it

435
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: to me with accent? No robbery has been committed and

436
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: you'll never believe it. They've stolen the train. I did

437
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: that in my junior high production drama production voice and

438
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: robbery has been committed and you'll never believe it. They've

439
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: stolen the train. And then my mom is in the

440
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: good job honey, Oh she's so good, and then she's like,

441
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's daring. Um alright, so uh that

442
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: comment that one of them made about don't go anywhere

443
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes, that was a bad idea because one

444
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: of the witnesses told the cops and then the cops

445
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: were like, okay, so that means that they're probably within

446
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: a thirty mile radio, right, I know what this means.

447
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: So circle on the map now. Um. It's also okay,

448
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: it's like they have this area to search. It's pretty

449
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: much mostly farmland, so it's not like, oh, there are

450
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: a lot of hidy holes um in like buildings and stuff. Um,

451
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: it's about four thirty in the morning at this point.

452
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: Those farm folk they're they're just getting up and these

453
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: are good, honest folk. We want to help the cops.

454
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: So they're not down for this kind of hanky stuff. No, no, no, no. So,

455
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: as I said before, gang, they were going to hang

456
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: out until Sunday, have given long relaxing weekend and leather

457
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: slide farm. And that's kind of a bad idea. Now

458
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: it's crap. So they're like, know what, let's leave tomorrow Friday.

459
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Let's get out of here. So that whole witness information

460
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: thing that became a problem too, because you, David Whitby,

461
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: you saw the truck and the two land rovers plashing

462
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: plates and you pass that on to the cops. Of

463
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: course you did. Yikes for them, it's right, you've got

464
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: to keep him in mind. Um. So they're working out

465
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: this plan about how how are we going to get

466
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: out of this farm. They split up the hall. That's

467
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: like first and foremost, let's let's divvy up this money.

468
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: So they wound up doing sixteen shares. We're going to

469
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: take the time to count out tons of small bills.

470
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: That's the whole point. They have to if they're going

471
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: to scatter, they have to take their little chunk. I

472
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: don't recommend they get about a hundred and fifty thousand

473
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: pounds each, and that's you know, three and a half

474
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: million a guy today. That's a lot of money, but

475
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: it's also small bills. Yeah, volume was and then they

476
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: divided the remaining ten thousand up into what they called drinks.

477
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that term? It's like little bits

478
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: for those who are the side associates who helped out

479
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: A term. I don't know. Maybe it comes from like

480
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: getting their beaks wet. I love that phrase, but get

481
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: your beak wet. Um. So a couple of the gang.

482
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: Then they got rides out to pick up new cars

483
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: to like be able to come back and leave the farm. Um.

484
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: Other ones hung out, I don't know, rolled in the

485
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: money or something. Who knows. Um, I do know they

486
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: had a game of Monopoly there and they used their

487
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: real cash to play the game exactly. Um. Now, uh,

488
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: they're on the edge because not only are the cops

489
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: looking for them, but they start hearing these low flying

490
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: R A F planes and oh my god, you guys

491
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: they called out the army or the air Force whatever

492
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: it is, a f air force. Well yeah, it was

493
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: just it wasn't part of a search. It was just

494
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: up that just got them all chalked up. And there's yeah.

495
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: So then this guy named Mark shows up. I'm sorry,

496
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: that's amazing. There's Mark. Mark. Mark's got a couple of

497
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: guys with him. They've brought vans. I like to believe

498
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 1: that Mark is a really friendly Canadian. Well, like, in

499
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: every article I've read about this, Mark's name is in

500
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: quotation marks and that's like, you know, because it's probably

501
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: not his name, but it makes me laugh because it's

502
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: so generic. Right, Like you have this thing about how

503
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: you can get into any party if you just say

504
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: that Josh invited you. Yeah, Scott, Josh your Scott like

505
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: they told me to come. Yeah, I'm a Scott, I'm Josh.

506
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Everyone knows some Josh. Mike makes a good one. Parts

507
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: of the country, Eric works or in the south, trade

508
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: in cody to entry points. Marks like Marks a dark

509
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: horse on this. Yeah, you know, like it's I wouldn't

510
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: use marker Gary. These are not names anymore, you know. Well,

511
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean then we get into generational thing things like

512
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: now like younger generations, it's going to be like Madison

513
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: told me or Caitlin I was at Brooklyn and Ireland

514
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: and know what's Gwyneth Paltrow's kid eggs Apple it is.

515
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: Why do I know these things? I didn't want to

516
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: know them. I want to forget them. Keep your secrets anyway, Mark,

517
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: So Mark He's brought in by that original lawyer who

518
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: connected the Ulsterman with all these clowns. Mark's job was

519
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: to come in and clean the place any trace of

520
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: the gang, and then he's supposed to set the whole

521
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: place on fire. He's going to burn down leather Slade Farm.

522
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: So on Friday, the robbers they get in their various

523
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: vehicles and much like the last scene in Ocean's eleven,

524
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: they like scatter off one by one into the night.

525
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: But let's go back at the train on Thursday morning.

526
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Chief Superintendent Malcolm Futrell say that one more time, Malcolm,

527
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: I like the laser fight in the middle of his name.

528
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: He later played a storm trip. So I can see why,

529
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: Chief Superintendent Malcolm of the Buckinghamshire Police Criminal Investigation Department,

530
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: he was on the case. He was there, Zaron. He

531
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: looked around the circus, well, hold onto your pants. He

532
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: looked around at the chaos, and he's like, I need

533
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: Scotland Yard and therefore I need the Flying Squad. Hear

534
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: me be excited about the arrival of police, the Flying Squad.

535
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: This is like right before they go crooked. Too likely sixties,

536
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: Remember it was like late sixties, early seventies, they went

537
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: all Cercuco. Okay, so they start a grid search. They

538
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: get right on it. Border exit points are alert alerted

539
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: like all the ports um the postmaster offers a reward

540
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: quote to the first person giving information leading to the

541
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: apprehension and conviction of the person is responsible for the robbery.

542
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: So like, first in, you get some money. I'm not

543
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: like free stamps with the rest of your life. Like

544
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: you get six books of stamps and they're not the

545
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: forever kind, and you get to pick. He went on

546
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 1: the radio and he said, the first person giving information

547
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: relating to the apprehension and conviction of the person's responsible

548
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: for the robbery. That's how he said it. I gotta

549
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: take it back and gather myself. Thank you so much.

550
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: When we get back, I'm gonna tell you just who

551
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: that first person was. Yeah, all right, Saren, we're back.

552
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: Oh tasty. I love them, you love them. They're fresh,

553
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: They're so good. Where's my wallet? It's just what I needed.

554
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: So once upon a time there was a lonely shepherd. Ah, yeah,

555
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: I know the story, and that shepherd was not just lonely,

556
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: he was nosy, my kind of shepherd. Uh. He noticed

557
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: that there's an awful lot of activity. Wasn't a guy

558
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: with a technicolor coat? No, no, next time, next episode. Um,

559
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: there's a farm adjacent to him, like the pasture that

560
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: he uses. It's a farm called leather Slade Farm. Other farm. Um.

561
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: And so he's like, there's a lot of activity, and

562
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: this is the place been quiet for a while ever,

563
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: and all of sudden we got these military so goings.

564
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: So he calls the cops. People, um, flying squad. They

565
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: race over, They get on their on their little spaceships,

566
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: fly over. Um they found something and that something was

567
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: not the burned shell of a building. Oh he didn't

568
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: get to it. No, Generic Mark failed to burn the

569
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: place down. Mark. In fact, Generic Mark failed to clean

570
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: it up. In quote Mark Mark. Um, the guys already

571
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: like in prep for Mark, Like they didn't want the

572
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: housekeeper to show up to too messy of a house,

573
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: so they wiped down their prints before they left. Yeah,

574
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: but they're counting on Mark to like do his job

575
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: like we just did, like a surface clean He come

576
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: in with a heavy cleaning. Um. I like to imagine

577
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: that as the robbers like rolled out in their rides,

578
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: Mark stood in the doorway of the farmhouse, like wearing

579
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: an apron and cleaning gloves. Yeah, were waving like the

580
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: long farewell at them like a sailor's wife on the dock.

581
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: He's got like one rubber like dishwhing glove. And then

582
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: the last car like leaves the drive and he rips

583
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: off the apron and gloves like Mark quote unquote Mark. Um.

584
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: So that said flying squad shows up places just covered.

585
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: It's just thick with evidence. What did they find, Saron evidence?

586
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: They found evidence, They found food, They found about sleeping bags, snacks, um,

587
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: the paper rappers that go around stacks of cash bands,

588
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: snacks they found, um, they found empty mail bags like

589
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: bats incriminating, and then inside snack rappers. Um, they found

590
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: registered mail with no money in it, so like someone

591
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: was sending something like, you know, assigned form. I'll send

592
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: it registered mail so we know you get it in

593
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: this garbage. Um. And they also found the Monopoly game.

594
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: They found the Monopoly game, and they found the huge

595
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: truck and the land rovers, but they had been sort

596
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: of hastily painted yellow. I don't know if the bad

597
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: guys did that or quote unquote marked. That is his

598
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: one last act is all throw some yellow paint on him.

599
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Uh all three all three vehicles though, and those are

600
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: the vehicles identif Fine, it's seen. So the c s

601
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: I Casts that come in, they're like collecting from their

602
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: little treasure tripe. They're just you know, they're drooling so

603
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: exciting fingerprints totally. Um, they're like, oh, we got these

604
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: guys in our cross hair. I could tasted. Um they

605
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: find Prince? Where did they find Prince? Saren? Because remember

606
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: they guys wiped everything down where where they filled in

607
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: the petrol? The monopoly game, like the board they didn't

608
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: wipe down the board. And then a bottle of Ketchup

609
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: that was just they're snacking it up and they're like,

610
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: someone's drinking ketchup. They found a drinking that by and

611
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: I thought maybe you wouldn't notice one of your favorite cocktails.

612
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: I noticed Ketchup. It's like really thick to mata juice. Um.

613
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: So unfortunately virgin bloody Mary, Yeah, you just gotta water

614
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: it down. And a C in the yammers um pearls.

615
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we're fortunately for a gang of thieves. Um, the

616
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: investigation starts to lose steam. They had Prince, but they

617
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: didn't have everyone's prince and they had some names, but

618
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: they didn't know where to find them. So they're just

619
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: like three days later, they're just standing in the yard farm.

620
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: We just started playing monopoly. They got side tracked. Well,

621
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: they go down all these rabbit holes, right. They went

622
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: through a list of post office employees and traced their

623
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: genealogy to see if they had any shared last names

624
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: with any of their suspects. That's the most British thing

625
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: I've ever heard. Is what we need to do is

626
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: come over the genealogy for everybody in the post office.

627
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: One guy, they traced him his family back to Victorian Norach.

628
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna like, oh, we got back to the Doomsday

629
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: book and they're like, oh, dead end, that's not really literally.

630
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Um So then they flagged. They also were flagging large

631
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: purchases by postal employees. Like a year after this, some

632
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: guy who worked in the HVP car tried to buy

633
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: a car, just going to guess and they were like,

634
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: what are you doing. He's like, I've been saving up

635
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: for a kid out of here. I was traumatized. They

636
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: investigated him six ways from Sunday. Nothing. So they're not

637
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: really getting a lot of leads. But then two informants

638
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: come forward. I've been wonder when you got fifteen guys.

639
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: They got fifteen friends. Yeah, and so they're able to

640
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: provide like a rough list of names, and a lot

641
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: of those matched up with the prince. So the head

642
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: of the Flying Squad at the time was a guy

643
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: named Ernie Millen, and he was ready to act. Is

644
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: all feeling funny inside. He decides to distribute pictures of

645
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: the suspects to the press. First, he gave him out

646
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: like wallet size, and many had the portraits at home

647
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: for the holidays exactly. Um, this was already huge news, right,

648
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just driving everyone bonkers. Um, gigantic heist,

649
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: the great train robbery at the time, like the press

650
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: referring to yeah, so um. Next in line for the

651
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: head of the Flying Squad was a guy named Tommy Butler.

652
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: Tommy Tommy, and he's like, this is a really bad idea. Guys,

653
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: don't put it in the don't put their pictures out there.

654
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: It turned out to be correct a bad idea because

655
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: as soon as the photo made the paper, all the

656
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: guys go underground immediately because they're going to get recognized

657
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: because everyone's reading about this. Tommy Butler then becomes head

658
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: of the Flying all about fighting the crime. He's all

659
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: about stopping the criming. And he had really good nicknames.

660
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: One day Tommy because I could get it done. He's

661
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: like so quick to bust up one day Tommy the

662
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: gray Fox. Not bad, that's foxy. I don't know. They're

663
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: like that guy is such a good detective and he's

664
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: really foxy. He's the gray Fox. And then they called

665
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: him Mr. Flying Squad because they're like Jimmy Flying Squad

666
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: over there. He's like, come on now. But he lived

667
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: and breathed the anti crimings. Um confirmed bachelor who lived

668
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: with his mom. But you know he was like he

669
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: worked these crazy long hours. He was all about busting

670
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: back and married to the crime. He really was. I

671
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: mean he really was. You can only give your heart

672
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: to tell many things. There's only so much of you

673
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: to go around when you're that foxy. Um. So he's

674
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: all about busting and he got it done. He did busted.

675
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: Eight days after the robbery. They caught their first criminal

676
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: eight days Roger Cordrey. Alright, guy, he was the one

677
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: in charge of messing with the train signals. He's the

678
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: glove jammer. Yeah, I again. He tried to pay his

679
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 1: landlord three months rent at once in small bills. Now

680
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: she was the widow of a cop, so she immediately

681
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: she's like, something is hinky. And then a few weeks later,

682
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: that lawyer who connected the ulsterman to the crooks, he

683
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: gets caught. The lawyer gets popped. So he was already says, oh, yeah, totally,

684
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: and so like, slowly but surely the police nabbed six more. Yeah,

685
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: they got him, they got the group. Yeah, eight of

686
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: the core crew and a few hangers on. They stood

687
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: trial in nineteen sixty four, so the next year media sensation.

688
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: They had to move to a bigger venue to accommodate

689
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: all these crowds. One of the cases was dismissed because

690
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: of like fumbling with evidence and procedure and the I

691
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: don't know whatever they and then the other seven get

692
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: convicted and they got thirty years each thirty years. But

693
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: it was like the magnitude of the robbery. But still

694
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: don't they have a standard? Well, something I thought was

695
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: interesting In a lot of the documentaries that I watched

696
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: about this, they would mention like how bad they felt,

697
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: that they not bad, but that it was they realized

698
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: it was such a bad thing to be stealing from

699
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: the queen. Why, well, come on, dude, the queen was

700
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: a very special gal. I get that, But would they

701
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: have felt that bad way about to say the king

702
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: or is it just particular crown? But they said it

703
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: with a sort of affection for the queen, was reserved

704
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: for her in a way that we haven't seen yet. Well,

705
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to shoot coming up? Okay,

706
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: So Charlie Wilson, he's another one, the silent man, bad

707
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: bad man. He gets a thirty year sentence, but he

708
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: managed to escape from prison. Something you'll like their personal war.

709
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew that was so excited. Three men

710
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: busted in and got him out of prison in just

711
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: three minutes. That set some sort of rap right um.

712
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: From there he goes to Paris and gets plastic surgery.

713
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: Then he goes to Mexico. He's doing every cliche you

714
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: can pick up. And then from there he goes to

715
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: Quebec and he becomes like a pillar of the community.

716
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: He's just involved in a bunch of stuff. Scotland Yard, though,

717
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: eventually tracks him down, brings him back. He has to

718
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: serve out the rest of the yeah. Um. Then he

719
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: goes back to criming after that and he gets killed

720
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: in a drug deal in Spain, in rug deal. Yeah.

721
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: So he's you know, he's up in years and your

722
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: last moments are like no, two for five there you go,

723
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: well and that's what happens. Um. So then, like Charlie

724
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: Ronnie Biggs, he also escaped from prison. Ronnie familiar. He

725
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: will he kind of snuck out with some other guys

726
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: who had planned an escape together. He just was like

727
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: an escape stow away. He's like, I'll go with you.

728
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: Do like a fair invader on the subway who slips

729
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: in with a person anyway. He's also he wants to

730
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: be like Charlie so much because he then goes to

731
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: Paris and gets plastic surgery. Um. And then after that

732
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: he goes to Australia and then goes to Brazil and

733
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: there's no extradition treaty with Brazil and at that time

734
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: their dictatorship. If I believe, well, they can't give they can't.

735
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: They're not doing anything. You're not getting No, he's able

736
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: to just go live his life and celebrate his journey

737
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: out in the open, living his best life while he's there,

738
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: he produced tracks for the Sex Pistols, and then when

739
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: he's seventy one, he goes back to England after he

740
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: had a couple of strokes like it's not funny the

741
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: way I said it, couple like you know all and

742
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm hitting moment um. He knew he could be arrested,

743
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: but then um, he said he wanted to quote walk

744
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: into a Margate pub Margaret pub as an Englishman and

745
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: buy a pint of bitter and buy a pint of better.

746
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: He keep coming across this with the people who would

747
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: get away, they think and they want their sense of

748
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: their life and it's worth everything exactly. So as soon

749
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: as he gets off the plane he's arrested. He doesn't

750
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: even get a pint of bitter. No, that happened, man,

751
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: Like you just okay, you could have that sent to you.

752
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: They have they you you know, you robbed a mail card,

753
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: you know, the ship things totally. So he he goes back,

754
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: serves out the rest of his sentence. He gets denied

755
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: parole at one point and then he gets compassionate release

756
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: at the age of eighty. So because he was on

757
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: his last legs. Then we got Gordon Goody He was

758
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: one of the original seven arrested. He got out of

759
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: jail in nineteen seventy five when he was forty six

760
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: years old, changed his name to Dave and opened a

761
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: restaurant with his friend Buster. Yes, um, so before he

762
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: goes in though, before he goes into jail, he gets

763
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: this friend and has the friend like and trusts him

764
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: with the riches he made a friend he went down today. No,

765
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: he gets a friend of his and it's like, I'm

766
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: going to entrust you with maybeaches and you know you're

767
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: in charge of my affairs. Test that friendship first, so

768
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: then um the you know. He says like, you gotta

769
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: make a promise to me, and that friend loyalist. And

770
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: Gordon gets out and he's rich. Gordon's got cash. He

771
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: moves to Spain and just cools out. Everybody needs a

772
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: friend like that. Right. Two years before he passed away,

773
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: he participated in a documentary called A Tale of Two Thieves.

774
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Um, it's worth watching just for Gordon

775
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: because it's such a character. Um. It tells his story,

776
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: But the most important part is that he finally reveals

777
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: the name of the Ulsterman. Can you give me the

778
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: guy had never been caught or named. Gordon spills the

779
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: beans that it was a Belfast born postmaster named Patrick McKenna.

780
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: What's funny in the documentary is that they have to

781
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: call in all these researchers and investigators because there are

782
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: too many Patrick McKenna's in the thirty two counties to

783
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: narrow it down. So but they solved the mystery, so

784
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: they you know, but what about the other guys you're asking?

785
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: Look at that bleeding good question. So Buster Edwards he

786
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: starts a restaurant with his new friend day that he

787
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: met with our producer Dave so Um. Buster Edwards, former

788
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: sausage factory worker. He took his family and ran off

789
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: to Mexico. And he did eventually go back home a

790
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: couple of years later. And guess what did fifteen years?

791
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: Couldn't resist the siren call? What is it? The food

792
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: is not that good, the weather is not that great.

793
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: So he gets out and he needs a job, so

794
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: he starts selling flowers outside of Waterloo train station. Like

795
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: he's a character in Mary Poppin. Yeah, he's like Tuppance. Um.

796
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: There's a movie called Buster and Phil Collins stars as Buster.

797
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: That's about him, know, what I'm doing. This buster had

798
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: a tragic end, so we're just going to stop at that.

799
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy White, the train conscious um un coupler. Uh, he

800
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: was on the runaround England, thank you. He was on

801
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: the run around England with his family. And he did

802
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: like he'd worked really hard to blend in because he

803
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: thought he was like the invisible guy. No one, you know,

804
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: no one could recognize him. But like people kept betraying

805
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: him and all, not like turning him in, but just

806
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: like taking his money or like doing him dirty and deals,

807
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: and then you can't go to the police. Yeah, and

808
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: then he gets recognized eighteen years and then there's Bruce Reynolds,

809
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: the Master. He called the robbery his Sistine Chapel. And

810
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: he hid out after the robbery, waiting for a passport

811
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: for a while. So he did most of the work

812
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: lying on his back. And then uh, he hopped around

813
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: on all these flights until he reached Mexico, Mexico. Yeah,

814
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: go to Venezuela, Brazil. I mean, come on, that guy

815
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: got to hang out. Um. He starts calling himself Keith

816
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: Clement Miller, so he gets a new name. His wife

817
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: and kid they joined him in Mexico and they lived

818
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: this like cool life. Buster and Charlie come to visit

819
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: him on their various times on the lamb, like his

820
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: friends going to see him, like some fast and furious. Yeah,

821
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: and so they're having this really cool, like high flying

822
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: lifestyle style in Mexico. Yeah, lots of villas and lots

823
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: of like fruity drinks. Um. Then the family they moved

824
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: to Canada, then they go back to England. Then they

825
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: go to the south of France and then back to

826
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: England again, which was a smart go to Spain. Well,

827
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: he couldn't resist his pals, so he was the last

828
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: one to get caught, and he did ten years. When

829
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: he got out, he tried to go straight, but eventually

830
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: he got back into money laundering, drug trafficking. He gets

831
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: pinched for dealing speed and he did three years in

832
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: the eighties and then after that bust he went legit

833
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: as a media commentator, and then he wrote his autobiography

834
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: and his wife and stunt son the best way to

835
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: become an author, right, they stood by him all the

836
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: whole time, right there with him. Wife. Goody, Now do

837
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: you remember how I was talking about TV theme songs

838
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: about four hours ago. Yes, yes, my answer is Rockford file.

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Speaker 1: You know which one is really good? The theme from

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Speaker 1: the Sopranos, Oh my god, yeah, it's a great one

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Speaker 1: to beat the whaling harmonica, Got myself a gun. You

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Speaker 1: know who played that whaling harmonica, Little Walter. It's the

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Speaker 1: sound that's evocative of the underworld, the psychic pain living

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Speaker 1: none other than Nick Reynolds, son of Bruce Reynolds. He's

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Speaker 1: a sculptor and a member of the group Alabama three

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Speaker 1: and that's the band behind this theme song for the Sopranos.

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Speaker 1: He lived a wild life, wild family. And I think

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Speaker 1: that we have Bruce Reynolds and this his Sistine Chapel

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Speaker 1: train robbery to think for the emotion and the feeling

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Speaker 1: that his son Nick laid into that track, that is amazing.

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Speaker 1: So the legitimacy, like the crime coming and emerging into music,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, that feels so authentic, and you know

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Speaker 1: he's like the AJ Now. It took me a long

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Speaker 1: time to get back to theme songs, but I made

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Speaker 1: a promise, I made a contract and I got you there.

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Speaker 1: What's your ridiculous takeaway that I should be involved in

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Speaker 1: British crime because apparently they need some help with some

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Speaker 1: of this, like, hey, don't go back to England if

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Speaker 1: you've got no way with it. Everybody needs some help

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Speaker 1: with my theory of Look, there's three points to a crime.

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Speaker 1: You're missing the last, Yeah, commit the crime, get away crime.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's like, yeah, I got away with it. I'm like no,

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Speaker 1: It's it's a constant exactly, it's a continuing It's like love.

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Speaker 1: Every day you got to renew the love. Every day

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Speaker 1: you got to get away again, exactly, exactly. Well, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: That's a beautiful committing getting away when the crime is

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Speaker 1: like love a lot like a successful marriage. Exactly, that's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful takeaway. And that is it for today. If

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Speaker 1: you find us, uh, it'll be online at Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 1: on both Twitter and Instagram, So remember everybody, Zaron. Twitter

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Speaker 1: is for the smarter discourse and Instagram is where we

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Speaker 1: put the photos for each episode show you what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, and then the stories are for chuckles um

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Speaker 1: and sneak peaks um. If you want to email us,

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Speaker 1: try Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. Tune in next time.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett

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Speaker 1: produced and edited by High Value packet distributor Dave Kuston.

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Speaker 1: Researches by Train Come Blur Marisa Brown. The theme song

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Speaker 1: is by Giant Truck specialist Thomas Lee and Can Takers

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