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Speaker 1: She's facing a complicated patchwork of consequences and it can

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Speaker 1: be hard to follow. That's because we're talking about cases

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Speaker 1: across two states, Arizona and California. We're talking about multiple

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Speaker 1: different court systems, civil courts, family courts, and now criminal courts.

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Speaker 1: So I want to regroup and give you an overview

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Speaker 1: of what Laura's up against. In June twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: Clayton won his family court case against Laura. That's a

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Speaker 1: civil court judgment. Along with her judgment, Judge Mata ordered

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Speaker 1: Laura to pay Clayton's legal fees, a number that after

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Speaker 1: Laura's failed appeals, is nearing two hundred thousand dollars. Then

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Speaker 1: seven months later, in January twenty twenty five, the police

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Speaker 1: By that summer, she was indicted in Arizona on seven

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Speaker 1: felony charges. That's the criminal system, you know, the one

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Speaker 2: I hope for justice to be served, and to me,

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Speaker 2: what that looks like is her going to prison no

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Speaker 2: matter what she's faced. Up until this point, she has

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Speaker 2: not once said you know what, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Even after seven felony charges, Lauras still decided to renew

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Speaker 1: her domestic violence restraining order against Mike Marriccini. This one

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Speaker 1: in the San Francisco court system. It's a civil case,

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Speaker 1: but for Mike it's a legal battle. He's been fighting

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Speaker 1: for almost ten years. And while she battled Mike and court,

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Speaker 1: the prosecutors in Arizona weren't quite done with her yet.

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Speaker 1: Their investigation had uncovered more.

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Speaker 2: What we know is coming down the pipeline is bigger

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Speaker 2: than anything she could ever imagine, and bigger than any

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Speaker 1: I'm Stephanie Young and this is love trapped.

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Speaker 3: Taty.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the last episode we left off,

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco, Laura Owens filed to renew her domestic

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Speaker 1: violence restraining order against Mike Marriuccini, But this time Mike

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Speaker 1: had secured legal counsel and was ready to fight back.

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Speaker 1: The evidentiary hearing was slated for October twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: Here's Omar.

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Speaker 4: There was like that surreal moment where you have all

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Speaker 4: there and you're trying to like calm down. Mike is crying,

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Speaker 4: and then I get this mysterious email come through my phone.

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Speaker 1: In the email, Laura requested a zoom link for the

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Speaker 1: next day's hearing, which Omar expected she would need to

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Speaker 1: attorney and nurse practitioner. That didn't make sense. If she

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Speaker 4: Everybody's still in celebration mode, and so I'm like trying

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Speaker 4: this mean? And then I emailed her, Hey, Laura, my

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Speaker 3: Is that's still the case?

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Speaker 4: And then like ten minutes later, No, we don't have

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Speaker 4: It was like, well, if I get game on, then

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Speaker 1: I arrived at the San Francisco Superior Courthouse early on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, October twenty first. The hearing was scheduled for

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Speaker 1: Clayton Eckered. He traveled to San Francisco just for this hearing.

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Speaker 2: I am in San Francisco for the first time of

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Speaker 2: my life. I'm here to support Mike. I'm here because

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Speaker 2: he shut up for me, and that was it. No

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I can pause all this shit in my

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Speaker 1: When Clayton had his family court trial against Laura the

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Speaker 6: So I'm reporting out from in front of the Superior

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Speaker 7: We're all here. Where is she?

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Speaker 1: What do you think is gonna happen today?

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Speaker 6: God, it's one of three things. It's gonna get dismissed

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Speaker 8: There's a trial, they're open.

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Speaker 1: We all piled into the small courtroom. I sat next

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Speaker 1: The judge told her that she needed to be there

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Speaker 1: After the hearing, I caught up with Mike Marriccini and

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Speaker 3: J just chraates chaos. It's always chaotic.

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Speaker 9: There's nothing that's ever just.

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Speaker 1: Did you expect the judge to be that hard on her?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I did, because she told Laura she had to

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for tomorrow now?

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Speaker 1: I asked Mike what it was like to have Clayton there.

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Speaker 9: It was great to see Clayton. I told him he

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Speaker 5: I want to be there to support you.

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Speaker 1: I joined Clayton, Mike, and Danielle for lunch that afternoon.

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Speaker 1: This was my first time finally sitting down with Mike

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Speaker 9: Going into day two, I was like, Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: I returned to the San Francisco Superior Courthouse the next morning. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I just did this the day before. What I didn't

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Speaker 1: question of the day Wouldlaura show up? Because of her

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Speaker 1: seven felony indictments, she needs to ask the courts for

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Speaker 11: So you're waiting for the trial to start. What are

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Speaker 6: Uh, she's not coming.

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Speaker 12: Zero.

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Speaker 6: She did not file for permission from the prosecutor in

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Speaker 6: She can't leave the state without permission from the prosecutor.

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Speaker 6: Court was going forward whether or not Laura was here,

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Speaker 6: and I did want her to know that we're covering

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Speaker 6: going to be here, and I think it's important. We've

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Speaker 11: Yeah, sure, And I actually wanted Laura to be there

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Speaker 11: I didn't want to drop it.

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Speaker 6: She doesn't show up today, I have a feeling that

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Speaker 6: wanted it. Where's your evidence, she says, she has evidence,

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Speaker 6: So come and make your case in front of Judge Gold.

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Speaker 1: When we got there that morning, we were all waiting

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Speaker 9: We walk in and Laura's up on the screen and

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Speaker 9: We asked if we could essentially argue this eightya accommodation

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Speaker 1: In other words, they all thought it would be over,

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Speaker 9: You have to stay strong. You cannot give up now,

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Speaker 9: You've come too far. And my attorney said the same thing.

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Speaker 1: After Mike and Danielle left the courthouse that day, I

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Speaker 3: It to be done.

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Speaker 1: Clayton knows better than anyone else what it feels like

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Speaker 2: Laura thinks she's one today. I don't see that at

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Speaker 1: Clayton was determined to see this thing through. He'd recently

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Speaker 2: He had called me and said, look, what Laura doesn't

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Speaker 1: In October twenty twenty five, Mike Marriccini and his legal

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Speaker 4: Nobody was expecting an ADA request to supersede everything, but

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Speaker 4: Mike needs to win this on the merits. He cannot

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Speaker 1: And it pushed the DVRO hearing date back by two weeks.

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Speaker 1: You might be wondering what disability Laura claimed to have.

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Speaker 1: We weren't privy to what she said in the closed

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Speaker 13: at this time. In addition to doctor Green's findings, my

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Speaker 13: other treating medical providers have diagnosed extreme anorexia following a

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Speaker 1: Translation, the earliest day the doctor could perform a procedure

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Speaker 1: So I left San Francisco and flew home. A week later,

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Speaker 1: my phone started blowing up. It was news about Laura.

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Speaker 1: Journalist Megan Fox was doing a YouTube live when she

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Speaker 1: Megan decided to investigate. It turns out there was an

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Speaker 6: I go to the website, the Scottsdale Fall Classic. The

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Speaker 1: I type in her name.

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Speaker 6: Sure, shit, there she is winning awards after she was

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Megan in the online community even uncovered footage

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Speaker 15: With Laura Owens the odd.

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Speaker 1: Laura earned three first place finishes and won one hundred

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Speaker 11: She was actually caught by some of our audience members

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Speaker 1: It was so brazen. When I interviewed Dave, I asked

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Speaker 1: I think she just lives on the day to day.

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Speaker 11: She's like, let's just get through this court thing and

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Speaker 1: You can imagine how offensive this was to Mike Marraccini

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Speaker 10: I can't even put into words the level of anger.

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Speaker 9: She thinks that she can keep getting away with it

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Speaker 1: A week later, Mike was due back at the San

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Speaker 1: It felt like deja vus once again. Laura was ordered

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Speaker 1: When I arrived in San Francisco, the chaos had already begun.

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Speaker 1: Here's Rachel Warrez, one of Mike's attorneys.

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Speaker 16: I was literally in an uber on the way to

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Speaker 1: Earlier that day, the court emailed both parties. They said

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Speaker 16: Unfortunately, we've been dealing with a court reporter shortage in

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Speaker 16: It's really a resource issue.

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Speaker 1: Laura tried to make this into a bigger deal than

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Speaker 4: The court just said, I just want to make it

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Speaker 1: It looked like the next morning there would be a

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Speaker 16: We kind of tried to keep it a low key night,

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Speaker 1: According to Laura in a declaration in support of motion

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Speaker 4: So obviously I'm not going to be present for court

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Speaker 4: And so Judge has had now experience with Laura and

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Speaker 4: try to delay things so they're no longer taking her seriously.

440
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: So me and Rachel were like, there's no fucking way

441
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: they're going to continue this, right, There can't be so again.

442
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 16: It kind of turns what is already a stressful trial

443
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Speaker 16: morning into a total circus.

444
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: On the morning of November fifth, the hearing was still

445
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: on the court docket. Even if Laura didn't show up,

446
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: the result of the hearing needed to be on the record,

447
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: and if she didn't show up, there was a good

448
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: chance the renewal request would be dismissed, the restraining order

449
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: would be over. But she'd been clinging onto this for

450
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: almost ten years. It was her last connection to Mike.

451
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: Would she really missed this hearing? We all headed to

452
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: the courthouse that morning as planned. I'd been there two

453
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: weeks ago and I knew seating would be tight, so

454
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Speaker 1: I got there on the early side seven am. By

455
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: the time I arrived, there was already a group of

456
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: supporters gathered outside the courthouse, and the crowd kept growing

457
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: by the minute. I ended up standing in line with

458
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: content creator Lauren Nighty.

459
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Speaker 8: We're outside the courthouse in San Francisco because Laura's supposed

460
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 8: to show up for her DVRO renewal with Mike today,

461
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 8: but it seems unlikely. It's raining a little bit, so

462
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 8: we're just standing out here waiting because it doesn't open

463
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 8: till eight fifteen, and there's a line. Last time she

464
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 8: didn't show up, so we weren't sure how early we'd

465
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 8: have to get here.

466
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: Do you think she's going to show up today?

467
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 4: No?

468
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 7: Why?

469
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 8: I think that she knows what she's doing, and she's

470
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 8: now in a position where there are consequences for these

471
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 8: actions for the first time in her life.

472
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Speaker 17: If she were to.

473
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 8: Show up and take the stand and tell her lies,

474
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 8: you know, she's very calculated. She knows that she can't

475
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 8: show up here today and do what she normally does,

476
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 8: or else she might end up in an unfamiliar territory

477
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 8: like she already is with the criminal trial pending. So

478
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Speaker 8: I don't think that she's going to do that.

479
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: Do you think that it we'll get dismissed today if

480
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: she doesn't show up?

481
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do.

482
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 8: The judge is pretty clear. Last time.

483
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: The courthouse doors opened, and what happened next felt like

484
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: an exact repeat of two weeks prior. Here's Mike's attorney, Omar.

485
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 4: We get there, it's nine o'clock, and then it's nine

486
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 4: oh five, and then it's nine point fifteen, and then

487
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 4: it's like nine.

488
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: Omar started prepping Mike for what might happen once they

489
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: got in the courtroom.

490
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 4: I was telling Mike, listen to me, you need to

491
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: prepare yourself for anything, Okay, because for all I know

492
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 4: that we're in there with a judge right now going

493
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: over whatever medical documents that she has that she wants

494
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: to show the judge. Just ready yourself in the event

495
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: this is a continuance, not to dismissal. I'm trying to

496
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: just prep them for that because last time we weren't

497
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 4: ready for that.

498
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: When the courtroom doors finally opened, Mike looked like he

499
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: was in good spirits, but he later admitted to me

500
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: that he had a bad feeling.

501
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 9: We were pretty pessimistic, just based off the fact that

502
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 9: she was having emergency surgery. My wife and I were

503
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 9: convinced that it was going to be continued again and

504
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 9: that Laura was going to get out of it and

505
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 9: we were going to have to push the court datea

506
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 9: another couple of weeks.

507
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: We were finally allowed into the courtroom, and within minutes

508
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: the hearing got underway. Due to the nature of the case,

509
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: audio recording is not allowed in the courtroom, but I

510
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: wish it was because I want you to hear what happened.

511
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 18: Next judge calls us in. I think it was about

512
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 18: a nine thirty issue or so. She makes it coming

513
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 18: right away, say will it's nine thirty. Loura owns is

514
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 18: not here, and right when she said it is like,

515
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 18: holy shit, we got this, We got this.

516
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: And then I relaxed, Rachel relaxed.

517
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 16: I immediately tried to look over past Omar to Mike

518
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 16: to see if he caught it, because to me, that

519
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 16: was the moment.

520
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 9: When she said this is going to be quick. That

521
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 9: was the moment where the flip switched for me. I

522
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 9: knew that she was going to dismiss it right there.

523
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: I was sitting next to Mike's wife, Danielle. When it

524
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: became clear what was happening. She grabbed my hand.

525
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 10: I kind of blacked out. I remember grabbing your hand

526
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 10: and like ecstatically shaking it with a clownish smile on

527
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 10: my face. And I only got emotional when I saw him.

528
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 7: I don't even think.

529
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 10: Judge Gold had even gotten out, like this is dismissed,

530
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 10: and I could see the tears like rolling down his face,

531
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 10: and that was the moment that then I like burst

532
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 10: into tears.

533
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: After two eight hundred and fifty seven days, Laura's domestic

534
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: violence restraining order against Mike Marruccini was finally dismissed. As

535
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: the dismissal was announced, a round of applause broke out

536
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. I've seen a lot of hearings and trials,

537
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: I'd never witnessed anything like that before.

538
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 10: And then we were quickly moved into the hallway right

539
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 10: after clapping, and Judge Gold looking at us like we

540
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 10: were a bunch of weirdos, like what is going on here?

541
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 7: But yeah, it's just so.

542
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 10: Much relief and inexplayable joy that we did it.

543
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 5: We did it.

544
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: As we exited the courtroom, we all noticed that the

545
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: weather outside had abruptly shifted. Here's omar.

546
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: It was a cloudy, rainy, cold, windy day in downtown

547
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: San Francisco. The clouds were hovering, it was gloomy. There

548
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: was no sunshine whatsoever. And we walk out the sun

549
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: is beaming through the windows. The clouds have cleared and

550
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 4: all of the sunshine rays and everybody's happy in the jubilation,

551
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: and this time it's tears of Outside.

552
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: The courthouse, I was able to catch up with Mike

553
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: and Danielle. I just want you to tell me immediately

554
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: off about what happened in there today.

555
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 19: Laura did not show up. She tried to throw out

556
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 19: medical emergencies, saying she was having a surgery, and the

557
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 19: judge dismissed it. And it is such a relief because

558
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 19: coming into today, I truthfully thought the judge was going

559
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 19: to continue it and I thought we were going to

560
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 19: be back at square one, and so I just feel

561
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 19: really really.

562
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 20: I feel really really good because this has been such

563
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 20: a long time coming. I've been fighting for almost ten

564
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 20: years and I've had the support of everybody. That's the

565
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 20: only reason why I've been able to get through this.

566
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 20: For my wife, to my attorneys, Sidney, entire group of

567
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 20: supporters like I would have never been able to do

568
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 20: this without everybody, and.

569
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: I'm so fortunate.

570
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that she's going to try to appeal this.

571
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 19: She loves us.

572
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: Danielle, I want to talk to you for a second.

573
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: Tell me about how you were feeling last time when

574
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: we left, as compared to this time and what you

575
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: were feeling in the courtroom.

576
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 10: Last time, a lot of defeat, anger, frustration, hatred, I mean,

577
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 10: the whole gamut of the emotional wheel. This time, I

578
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 10: feel relief, but I know that we're still going to

579
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 10: be fighting her with appeals, that this isn't over until

580
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 10: justice is served in Arizona. I'm confident in this community

581
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 10: to continue to push for the truth and what is right,

582
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 10: and I know that this group of individuals won't let

583
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 10: her get away with this again.

584
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: Relieved to have the day behind them, Mike and Danielle

585
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: headed home to be with their daughters. I took some

586
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: time to debrief with Mike's legal team and the content

587
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: creators who'd made the trip to San Francisco. But before

588
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: I made it back to my hotel, my phone started

589
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: buzzing with a FaceTime request. It was from my sister.

590
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: She never facetimes me. We live in the same city,

591
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: so anxiously I picked up the call. That's when she

592
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: told me she was eight weeks pregnant with her first child.

593
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: The timing of the news while I was covering this

594
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: case wasn't lost on me. My sister and I both

595
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: started crying happy tears. It's a moment I'll never forget,

596
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: and without me even asking, she showed me her very

597
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: real sonogram. It's really that easy. The next day, I

598
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: had an afternoon flight to Phoenix to catch up with Clayton.

599
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful morning, and before my flight, I

600
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: was planning to go take a walk near the Golden

601
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: Gate Bridge. But those plans got interrupted by a text

602
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: message from Mike Marcini. He just heard some big news.

603
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't about his case, though, it was an update

604
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: from the prosecutors in Arizona. They brought more criminal charges

605
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: against Laura Owens.

606
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 21: I thought you probably knew before I did, and so

607
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 21: I was expecting you to just be like, already no.

608
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 21: But I'm glad that I finally gave you some breaking news.

609
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: Before I left San Francisco, I got a text from

610
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: Mike Marriccini he just heard some breaking news about Laura Owens.

611
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 9: I received a text that she had been indicted with

612
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 9: seven more charges.

613
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: The day after the domestic violence restraining order was dismissed

614
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: November sixth, twenty twenty five, the State of Arizona indicted

615
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: Laura Michelle Owens on another seven felony charges, bringing the

616
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: total to fourteen.

617
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was running a high for a solid forty

618
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 9: eight hours.

619
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: Almost immediately it was being reported on by news outlets

620
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: and YouTubers like Dave Neil.

621
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 14: I thought it was groundhokx. I said, why is everybody

622
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 14: sending me old news?

623
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 11: I already know she's been indicted, and they said no,

624
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 11: she's indicted on more.

625
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: The Scottsdale woman is facing seven new felony charges in

626
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: addition to the seven she was indicted on.

627
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 10: Back in May.

628
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: She gets facing fourteen felony charges in total. For two

629
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: cases the.

630
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 12: Miracle Pa County Attorney's Offices, Owen's falsely claimed she was

631
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 12: pregnant by someone who she went on three dates with

632
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 12: back in twenty twenty one.

633
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 5: This thing just gets stranger and stranger.

634
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: The first batch of charges were all related to Clayton,

635
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: but as the Maricopa County Attorney's Office investigated his case,

636
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: they uncovered evidence of more potential criminal behavior. The new

637
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: seven felony counts are all tied to Laura's brief relationship

638
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: with Greg Gillespie. Remember Greg is the man she met

639
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. In Scottsdale. You heard about him

640
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: in episode five. After a few dates and hookups, Laura

641
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: claimed to be pregnant with twins, shortly after she brought

642
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: an abortion coercion case against Greg. Some of these new

643
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: indictments are similar to Clayton's perjury, forgery, fraudulent schemes and artifices,

644
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: but ifew reveal new information and even identify another victim

645
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: of Laura's. There are two class four felony charges related

646
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: to a sonogram image Laura sent to Greg. Laura said

647
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: it was her own sonogram, but according to the state,

648
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: Laura stole it from a woman named Stormy. Remember that

649
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: sonogram we talked about with the Fiver logo.

650
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 22: It says Fiver, Oh yeah, Oh hold on, hold okay,

651
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 22: hold on, hold on.

652
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 11: This is why you do it live.

653
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: According to the state investigation, a woman named Stormy originally

654
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: posted that sonogram on her personal blog. In twenty fourteen,

655
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: the Maricopa County Investigators interviewed Stormy. She told them she

656
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: started her blog in twenty eleven to help her cope

657
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: with grief after a stillbirth. She didn't know anyone outside

658
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: of her family and friends were viewing the blog until

659
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: Internet detectives reached out to her and told her a

660
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: woman named Laura Owens was passing the saunogram image off

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Speaker 1: as her own. The investigator summarized their interview with Stormy, writing.

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Speaker 14: Stormy said that it's caused anxiety and fear. She fears

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Speaker 14: that people are going to be able to find her.

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Speaker 14: Stormy continued by telling us that by the little things

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Speaker 14: that she's found out about Laura, she's afraid that she's

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Speaker 14: going to be able to find her and hurt her family.

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Speaker 1: There are another two charges related to identity fraud and forgery.

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Speaker 1: It appears Laura forged a medical document assuming the identity

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Speaker 1: of a real physician's assistant at One Medical named Lisa Daniels.

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Speaker 1: In August twenty twenty one, Laura sent Greg Gillespie a

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Speaker 1: screenshot allegedly from her one Medical patient portal. It appeared

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Speaker 1: to have a doctor's note on it, signed by Lisa Daniels.

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Speaker 1: We've had this note read by a voice actor.

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Speaker 23: Hi, Laura, thank you for coming in today. Based on

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Speaker 23: your physical examination and reviewing your test results, urine and ultrasounds,

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00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 23: both from in our office and with outside providers, we

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Speaker 23: can confirm that your pregnancy is viable and consistent with

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Speaker 23: a date you provided of intercourse on June thirtieth or

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00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 23: July first. A fetal heartbeat was detected. Since you took

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00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 23: medical abortion pills, injury to the fetus is likely, but

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Speaker 23: the extent of the damage is unknown at this point.

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Speaker 23: Please seek care from an obstetrician going forward. I have

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Speaker 23: followed up with Julie Alla Rich MP regarding the call

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Speaker 23: she had with you and the father of the child

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Speaker 23: on July sixteenth. She noted that he came off as

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Speaker 23: a potential domestic abuser and remarked on his seemingly controlling

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Speaker 23: and dominating behavior. She said that she was concerned for

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Speaker 23: your well being and is happy to testify on your behalf.

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Speaker 23: Please let us know if you require any additional information

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Speaker 23: for your legal case. Best of luck, Lisa.

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Speaker 1: Maricopa County investigators interviewed the real Lisa Daniels, who told

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Speaker 1: them she did not author this note. The investigators asked

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Speaker 1: if Daniels would be willing to help the prosecution, and

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Speaker 1: she said yes. She also noted that she worried about

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Speaker 1: retaliation from Laura Owens. There's another charge that's a bit cryptic,

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Speaker 1: theft by extortion According to the State of Arizona, Laura.

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Speaker 14: Michelle Owens knowingly obtained or sought to obtain property or

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Speaker 14: services from Gregory Gillespie by means of a threat to

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Speaker 14: accuse Gregory Glas. We have a crime or bring criminal

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Speaker 14: charges against him.

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Speaker 1: There are no additional details about this charge, so we

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Speaker 1: don't know exactly what evidence the state gathered. The investigation

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Speaker 1: report we've been quoting included information mostly about the first

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Speaker 1: seven charges. That means more information could still come out,

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00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: like evidence from Laura's devices. I asked Clayton what it

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00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: felt like when he saw Laura charged in not only

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Speaker 1: his case but also Gregg's.

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Speaker 2: Another big old heaping scoop of justice being served and

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00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: watching him get all the support online.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: This has become larger than me.

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Speaker 1: At the time I'm recording this, no criminal charges have

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Speaker 1: been brought in regard to Laura's relationship with Mike Marriccini.

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Speaker 1: If she was ever to be charged in his case,

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Speaker 1: it would likely be in California. On December second, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five, Laura attended as scheduled pre trial hearing on

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00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: her first seven charges. The state decided to tack a

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Speaker 1: second arraignment onto that hearing, which we got the audio

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Speaker 1: from Good Morning.

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Speaker 24: Her anor Jeffrey Sworskift peering with miss Owens as to

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Speaker 24: both matters.

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Speaker 25: She is president in the courtroom and so I'm gonna

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Speaker 25: get your name in data birthleas Laura Owens.

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Speaker 1: In this hearing. Laura has a new criminal defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: Two months earlier, Laura applied for indigency status, which means

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Speaker 1: she was claiming she lacked the financial resources and needed

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00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: court appointed assistants, and the state granted it. With the

728
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: additional seven indictments. Her previous criminal attorney withdrew. That's how

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Speaker 1: Laura Owens ended up being represented by a public defender,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Swarsky.

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Speaker 25: There has been a super being indictment filed. I've provided

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Speaker 25: a copy to mister Swarsky. Mister Swarsky, did you have

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Speaker 25: the opportunity to review that.

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Speaker 5: With your client?

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Speaker 25: Yes, I did, Your honor, Did you want me to

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Speaker 25: conduct a not guilty arrangement today on her behalf food?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 25: Do you wave of reading the charges her rights?

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Speaker 9: We will way formal reading and enterple of not guilty

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Speaker 9: as to all charges.

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Speaker 25: Well, enter a plea of not guilty on her behalf.

742
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Speaker 1: Laura entered a plea of not guilty for the seven

743
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Speaker 1: additional felony charges.

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Speaker 25: Mister Schwarzki, since I have you here, have you received disclosure?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 24: In the last week, I have received approximately six thousand

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Speaker 24: pages of disclosure in sixteen bodycam recordings.

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Speaker 5: All right, thank you. We're in recessing this matter.

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Speaker 1: All fourteen charges have been rolled into one case against

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Speaker 1: Laura Owens. At this time, Laura's pled not guilty to

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Speaker 1: all of the charges. So, like we said in the

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Speaker 1: last episode, Laura's faced with two options, either go to

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Speaker 1: trial or change her plea to guilty. The whole time,

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Speaker 1: Laura still owed Clayton nearly two hundred thousand dollars for

755
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: attorney's fees. That was by order of the Family Trial Court,

756
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: the Arizona Court of Appeals, and the Arizona Supreme Court.

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00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: As time passes, that number is collecting interest. I asked

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Speaker 1: Greg Woodnick what usually happens in situations like these.

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Speaker 12: Most people have jobs, and so it's a little bit

760
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 12: easier to collect when you have a judgment, because what

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00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 12: you do is you get a wage assignment order, a

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Speaker 12: rid of garnishment. Essentially, that's an order that gets sent

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Speaker 12: to someone's employer, Taco Bell, whoever they're working for, and

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Speaker 12: that employer before they issue a paycheck to Laura would

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Speaker 12: take part of that paycheck and it would essentially get

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Speaker 12: routed to the judgment creditor in this case Clayton. But

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Speaker 12: Laura didn't have a job, so we didn't have any

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Speaker 12: place to issue wage assignment order.

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Speaker 1: This is where we need to get technical. Because of

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Speaker 1: the money Laura owed Clayton, Greg Woodennick scheduled something called

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Speaker 1: a judgment debtors exam. It's basically a deposition, but all

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Speaker 1: related to Laura's finances. I asked Woodnick to explain how

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Speaker 1: judgment debtors exams usually work.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of a phishing expedition.

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Speaker 12: You're looking for assets or things that you can collect

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Speaker 12: via the judgment. Maybe someone has a boat or a

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00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 12: car or something that is not excluded from collection that

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00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 12: you could, in theory, use to pay the debt.

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Speaker 5: Of the debtor.

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Speaker 1: In this case, Laura owed Clayton money. Wouldn't it planned

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Speaker 1: to ask Laura about her assets like property, cars, horses,

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Speaker 1: even LLCs.

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Speaker 12: Obviously, my team had prepared for the judgment debtors exam

784
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 12: gathered questions things that I wanted to know about her

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00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 12: financial situation to determine if there was an avenue to

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Speaker 12: collect for Clayton's judgments. On the eve of the judgment

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Speaker 12: debtors exam in mary Copa County Superior Court, we receive

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Speaker 12: notice that she had filed for Chapter seven bankruptcy.

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Speaker 1: Chapter seven is basically a fast track bankruptcy. Think of

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Speaker 1: it like a request for a fresh start. If it's granted,

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00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: you might lose some non essential assets, but your debt

792
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: is wiped out and you have a badly bruised credit score.

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Speaker 1: As soon as Laura filed for bankruptcy, all debt collection

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00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: proceedings halted. Before they could resume, Laura would have to

795
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Speaker 1: appear in federal court for bankruptcy.

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Speaker 12: My team was pretty disappointed when she filed the Chapter

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Speaker 12: seven bankruptcy. We prepared to ask her questions about her

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Speaker 12: assets and trying to figure out if there was a

799
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Speaker 12: way for Clayton to get paid, because he deserved to

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00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 12: get paid he had three judgments. But our disappointment changed

801
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 12: because as soon as the federal government got involved, it

802
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 12: was a whole new show. They were running the show,

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00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 12: and they were doing their own inquiry regarding Laura's.

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Speaker 5: Assets and her transparency. She opened a Pandora's.

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00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: Box instead of doing a judgment debtors exam with Greg Woodnick.

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00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: Laura had now opened up her finances to a federal

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Speaker 1: court and a notoriously unforgiving one at that.

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Speaker 26: All right, this is will call on the Laura Owens

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Speaker 26: case case twenty five as one one eight zero one

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Speaker 26: denner is present.

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Speaker 1: In January twenty twenty six, Laura was ordered to appear

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Speaker 1: at a meeting of creditors. It's kind of like a

813
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: mini deposition. Anyone who she owes money can join this

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00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: call to ask Laura about her finances, and she owed

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Speaker 1: a lot of people money.

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Speaker 26: We have a lot of interested parties in the meeting,

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Speaker 26: but as far as I know, we're only going to

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Speaker 26: have one ask any questions.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to go ahead and swear you in.

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Speaker 1: Miss Owen's Obviously, her biggest creditor was Clayton Eckered.

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Speaker 24: Marcus Reisinger appearing on behalf of Clayton Eckered a creditor

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Speaker 24: in this matter.

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Speaker 3: As I'd ask a few questions.

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00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: Marcus is an associate at Woodennick Law. He started by

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00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: asking Laura about her income and page two have.

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Speaker 24: That statement asked, did you have any income during this

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Speaker 24: year or the two previous calendar years?

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Speaker 3: Why did you answer no?

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Speaker 7: Because I personally do not have any income and have

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Speaker 7: not for the last two years.

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Speaker 24: Did you testify in June of twenty twenty four that

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Speaker 24: you had approximately two hundred thousand dollars of the year

833
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 24: per year of income with your business.

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Speaker 7: Partner with my mother and that's all gone directly to

835
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 7: the LLC. Nothing's been paid to me personally.

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Speaker 1: One of those LLCs is the Owen's family's horse flipping business.

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Speaker 1: Marcus asked her if they had any valuable assets like courses,

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Speaker 1: for example.

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Speaker 27: I have no assets.

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Speaker 7: I know where you guys are getting at.

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Speaker 27: I have literally zero assets.

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00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 24: I'm just asking some questions, but I can understand your mistique,

843
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 24: do you.

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Speaker 7: I hope they don't have one? As you know this case?

845
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Speaker 7: Is you I ability to make any income?

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Speaker 15: I have none, and.

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Speaker 7: I truly believe you guys are trying to embarrass me

848
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 7: by trying to make that point.

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Speaker 3: Again, I'm not trying to embarrass you.

850
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Speaker 24: All in doing is asking questions to understand your bankruptcy estate.

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Speaker 1: Despite her emotionality, Marcus continues questioning her about her bankruptcy filing.

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Speaker 1: She claimed she didn't have any assets or any current income,

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00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: but this contradicted a sworn testimony Laura gave the year prior.

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Speaker 24: Last question, simony is that you have not had any

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Speaker 24: income in the.

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Speaker 3: Past two years.

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Speaker 27: No, I have not.

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Speaker 3: Can you understand that you're under a.

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Speaker 7: Tell me where the money is? Then, I haven't made

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Speaker 7: any money.

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Speaker 24: The only reason I'm asking is because you did testify

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Speaker 24: numerous occasions in twenty twenty four that you had income

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Speaker 24: at that time.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: That I had businesses with my mom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was less than two years ago.

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Speaker 7: Correct, that I had businesses with my mom. My expenses

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Speaker 7: have been paid for for living by my parents.

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Speaker 27: That's where I've.

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Speaker 7: Gotten my in exchange.

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Speaker 1: I want to play you a clip from Woodnick's twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four deposition with Laura. It's the same deposition you

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Speaker 1: heard in episode six.

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Speaker 5: What is your current employment?

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Speaker 7: I do a lot of things.

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Speaker 28: I have a podcast, I buy and sell horses, and

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Speaker 28: I have a real estate investing company.

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00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 5: Do you earn income as a W two employee anywhere?

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Speaker 28: I do not.

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Speaker 12: Let's talk about the podcast first. What's the name of

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Speaker 12: the podcast, and what is the theme of that podcast?

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00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 7: Self help, self improvement?

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Speaker 5: Are you the owner of the podcast?

884
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 12: And that may not be a good question, So if

885
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 12: you don't answer, I don't take another shot at it.

886
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 28: I'm I guess co owner of it. I know where

887
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 28: you're Yeah, I know what you mean.

888
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 5: Who's the other co owner? If there's another person?

889
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 15: My mom?

890
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 5: Are you making money with the podcast?

891
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 7: Yes?

892
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 12: How much money are you earning annually from the podcast?

893
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 28: The podcast last year made eighty three thousand, and so

894
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 28: I had.

895
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 5: Half of that because the other half went to your mom.

896
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 27: Yeah.

897
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 12: And when you say eighty three thousand, that was after

898
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 12: business costs.

899
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 7: No, that was before business costs.

900
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 28: But we don't really have many business costs.

901
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 12: So you've got the podcast. You also mentioned you've got

902
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 12: something with horses.

903
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 5: What is that?

904
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 28: It's a business buying and selling horses, show horses.

905
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 12: How much money did you make in two thousand and

906
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 12: twenty three with the horse business?

907
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 28: One hundred and forty four thousand, And that's also split

908
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 28: into I have that business with my mom.

909
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 12: So the podcast is half owned with your mom and

910
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 12: the horse business.

911
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: If she told the truth and the deposition, that's an

913
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: annual income of two hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars.

914
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: Even split with her mom, that's still one hundred thirteen

915
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. Now that Laura was in bankruptcy court,

916
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: all of her previous sworn statements came under scrutiny. There

917
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: appeared to be some inconsistencies. After the first meeting of creditors,

918
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Laura's bankruptcy case was referred to the United States Department

919
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: of Justice. Here's wood Nick.

920
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 12: My understanding is that the Department of Justice has a

921
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 12: function that I think most people don't realize. Amongst all

922
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 12: the other important things they do in the government, I

923
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 12: think they serve as a watchdog function over the bankruptcy process.

924
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 12: So I think someone must have notified them. Certainly wasn't

925
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 12: my office, but someone notified them that Laura's bankruptcy had

926
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 12: some red flags, and then they conducted their own investigation.

927
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: I got a copy of Laura's bankruptcy filing. Her debts

928
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: tell a story of their own. Aside from what she

929
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: owes on her car and to Clayton, she claims to

930
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: owe nearly fifty thousand dollars to over twenty creditors that

931
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: amount includes medical and veterinary debt, credit card accounts, and

932
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: buy now, pay later accounts. Laura also has a car

933
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: payment for a car that she obtained in December of

934
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and discloses ownership of four LLCs. In

935
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: bankruptcy filings, you also need to disclose your monthly expenses.

936
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: Laura claims to spend eighteen hundred dollars a month in

937
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: food and housekeeping supplies. That's more than most people's rent.

938
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: And that's just part of her total expenses of thirty

939
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars a month. But as you heard, in

940
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: her bankruptcy filing, Laura listed her income as zero dollars.

941
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: When the DOJ got involved, Laura was forced to answer

942
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: some tough questions.

943
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 26: This is it call the Owens case Laura Owens Case

944
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 26: twenty five one to one eight zero one.

945
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: Laura Owens was back under oath on February ninth, twenty

946
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: twenty six.

947
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 17: So, miss Owens, I'm an attorney with the US Forigner Justice,

948
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 17: the US Trustees' Office, and we oversee these bankruptcy cases

949
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 17: sort of as.

950
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 5: A watch job.

951
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 17: And I had gone through your bankruptcy documents and I just.

952
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 27: Want to ask you some questions.

953
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: The DOJ attorney, Miss Jennifer Giamo launches straight into some

954
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: questions that the DOJ wanted answers to.

955
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 17: So, on Schedule I, it indicates that you had zero income,

956
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 17: So no income from way jas or operating a business.

957
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 27: Correct? Correct? And so for what time period were you

958
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 27: saving that you had no income for?

959
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 7: I mean, I haven't ever in my life had like

960
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 7: at ten night nine or two job, but I've really

961
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 7: been supported by my family.

962
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 17: So now in your life, have you received a ten

963
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 17: ninety nine or a W two from any business including

964
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 17: your own businesses?

965
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 7: Correct?

966
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 27: Have you ever.

967
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 17: Received any kind of tax form like a Schedule K

968
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 17: one that indicates that you have certain share of earnings

969
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 17: from a partnership or an interest in an entity?

970
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 7: No, I know that the LLC my name is LLC

971
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 7: Business Taxes or follow us. That's whole see Okay, Yeah, but.

972
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 11: Then I know.

973
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: In this recording you can hear the repeated notifications as

974
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: new creditors joined the zoom call. But just like in

975
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: Mike's DVRO renewal hearing, per former Attorney David Jingris is

976
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: on this call as a quote witness. Laura tries to

977
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: turn to him for guidance.

978
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 7: Maybe David could offer some clarification because he helped me

979
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 7: answer that question.

980
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 27: David, Well, let me just type in here. Either mister

981
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 27: Ringis represents you or he does not.

982
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 17: So I'm not comfortable with having mister Ringus step in

983
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 17: as your council, you know, so you.

984
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 27: Know if you know if he's not your council here.

985
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 17: Unfortunately, no, he cannot be, you know, of advising you.

986
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 27: On how to answer that.

987
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: One of the debts Miss Giomo asks about is something

988
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: called cherry Tech. It's a buy now, pay later lender

989
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: for medical services. If you remember, in the investigation report,

990
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: the state alleges that Laura purchased hCG from MEDSPA and

991
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: MEDSPA accepts cherry Tech as a financing option.

992
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 17: And I see that in your schedules you've listed debt

993
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 17: to cherry Tech and that's a lender for Ben's spot.

994
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 27: Correct.

995
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 7: Cherry Tech is all under that I used for botox

996
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 7: and for like a skin firming treatment that I got.

997
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 7: I don't I don't know if they're with but that's

998
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 7: that's not what I used it for.

999
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 3: It was cool.

1000
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 7: Sculpting was for what I used it for. I would

1001
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 7: provide the place the name of the place that did.

1002
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 3: That as well.

1003
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 17: Okay, So you never obtained any loans from Cherry Tech

1004
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 17: based on services or products that you purchase from Midspot,

1005
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 17: not that I'm aware of.

1006
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 7: I mean, I've gone to a lot of places for

1007
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 7: botox and procedures, but that that's not where I think

1008
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 7: I did anything for Cherry.

1009
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: Okay, Miss Giamo asked Laura the obvious question. If she

1010
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 1: doesn't have a job, how does she afford to live?

1011
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 27: You added a.

1012
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 17: Line item one eight H for family support for food

1013
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 17: and living expenses, and you put zero.

1014
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 27: So was that a mistake? Do you receive any kind

1015
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 27: of family support to pay your expenses? You lovely expenses.

1016
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 7: They just pay them out of their money. I don't like,

1017
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 7: out of my my parents' pension and social Security. They

1018
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 7: don't give me money to pay that. They pay it directly.

1019
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 27: So what are they paying directly when you say they

1020
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 27: pay it?

1021
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 7: Well, I live on their property, so I mean you

1022
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 7: could technically say they're paying you know, housing.

1023
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: And for my food.

1024
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 27: Okay, what about your car payments?

1025
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 7: We share a car, they pay they pay for my car.

1026
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 17: Okay, so they directly because well, you you are the

1027
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 17: sole owner.

1028
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 7: Of I'm the sole owner, but they're paying for it

1029
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 7: right now because I can't afford to make the payment.

1030
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 17: Okay, and I'm assuming your parents also pay your car insurance.

1031
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 27: Yes, okay, so you don't pay any bills for your stuff?

1032
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 17: No, and you say that you've never are you saying

1033
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 17: that you've never earned any income on your own ever?

1034
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 27: Correct? Of how old you get?

1035
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 17: I'm thirty five, so thirty five years, you have never

1036
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 17: had made any income on your own to pay.

1037
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 27: Your own bills.

1038
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 7: I mean, like I said, at the face of my parents' businesses,

1039
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 7: So they've you know, paid my living expenses in exchange

1040
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 7: for me helping them.

1041
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 27: Okay, so that's kind of a compensation for your services then.

1042
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 7: I mean they yeah, I mean I don't take advantage

1043
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 7: of it.

1044
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 27: But well, you're providing them.

1045
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 17: With services and they're compensating about paying your bills, is

1046
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 17: what you just said, right?

1047
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1048
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 17: Well, then you never figure out how you're going to

1049
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 17: want to disclose that in these schedules, because that is

1050
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 17: a form of compensation.

1051
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: Laura claimed that her parents paid for her life. But

1052
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting. Four months earlier, Ron Owens and Jan

1053
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: Black also filed for bankruptcy. There's one particular online detective

1054
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: who's been looking into this part of the story, Tiffany Robertson,

1055
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: who goes by Big Tip Dog on social media. She

1056
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: recently retired from a career in the financial services industry

1057
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: and joined the online community investigating Laura Owens.

1058
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 15: Everybody kept saying trust fund baby, She's a trust fund baby.

1059
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 15: And I started thinking, am radio host, Okay, well he's

1060
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 15: not Howard Stern right, I'm not sure that she's a

1061
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 15: trust fund baby, And just on a whim, decided to

1062
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 15: start looking into using my skill set to look into

1063
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 15: the family a little deeper, and I think I even

1064
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 15: shocked myself with what I found.

1065
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: Ron Owens and Jan Black filed for Chapter thirteen bankruptcy

1066
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: on August fourteenth, twenty twenty five. Chapter thirteen bankruptcy allows

1067
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: people to keep their home while catching up on mispayments

1068
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: through a court appointed repayment plan. Ron and Jan were

1069
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: severely behind on their mortgage payments. One of their credit

1070
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: card companies had filed a lawsuit over delinquent accounts. Laura's

1071
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: parents agreed to the court ordered payment plan and made

1072
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: the first payment, but after that it appears they failed

1073
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: to continue.

1074
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 15: The mortgage problem they had is that they have two

1075
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 15: mortgages on their home that they cannot afford. I think

1076
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 15: it's fourteen thousand, two hundred and thirty two dollars total,

1077
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 15: But that's a lot of money going out each month,

1078
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 15: even when you make twenty one thousand dollars a month.

1079
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: Twenty one thousand dollars a month, that's what Ron and

1080
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: Jan declared is their monthly income on their bankruptcy filing.

1081
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: They alleged that this income is a combination of their

1082
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: pensions and Social Security, with zero dollars coming in from

1083
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: three LLCs. But because they didn't file their income tax

1084
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: returns and they didn't keep up with their payment plan,

1085
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: their bankruptcy claim was dismissed in January twenty twenty six.

1086
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: That means the filing was dismissed, not the debts, which

1087
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: is not good news for Ron and Jan. They will

1088
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: have to start paying all of their previously paused debts,

1089
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: including their mortgage.

1090
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 15: Tiffany explains, approximately one month after Ron and Jan's bankruptcy

1091
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 15: was dismissed for lack of compliance, their first mortgage company

1092
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 15: filed a notice of trustee sale, and that's essentially a

1093
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 15: notice of foreclosure action. They are going to put the property.

1094
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 7: Up for auction.

1095
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: At the time I'm recording this, the Owens family home

1096
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: is in foreclosure. It's scheduled to be sold into public

1097
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: auction on May twenty six, twenty twenty six, on the

1098
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: steps of the Maricopa County Courthouse.

1099
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 15: What we see with Ron and Jan repetitively over time,

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01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 15: and I'm going back decades because that's how far I've

1101
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 15: gone back into their mortgage history. At least we see

1102
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 15: what appears to be spending habits that make no sense whatsoever.

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: Before Ron and Jan filed for bankruptcy, they added their

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Speaker 1: oldest daughter, Sarah and her husband Christian, to the deed

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Speaker 1: and mortgages on the Scottsdale house. Now that the home

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Speaker 1: is in foreclosure, Sarah and Christian are on the hook

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Speaker 1: for any outstanding debt on the home. As for Laura's

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Speaker 1: bankruptcy case, in April twenty twenty six, all parties agreed

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Speaker 1: to dismiss her filing. It's not clear why a dismissal

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Speaker 1: agreement does not automatically discontinue any investigations by the DOJ.

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Speaker 1: It just ends the bankruptcy case and forbids her from

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Speaker 1: filing again within a year, like with her parents. That

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Speaker 1: means she currently owes all of her debts, but the

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Speaker 1: two meetings of creditors where she testified under oath. Those

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Speaker 1: can be used in her upcoming criminal proceedings. Because her

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Speaker 1: bankruptcy filing was dismissed, Laura still owes Clayton around two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. I went back to Greg Wodnick to

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Speaker 1: ask him what happens next in a situation like this.

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Speaker 5: Most people have jobs.

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Speaker 12: That's the easiest and most common way to collect on

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Speaker 12: an obligation. But to my knowledge, Laura does not seem

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Speaker 12: to have regular employment. Pursuing any of the other assets

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Speaker 12: is difficult and maybe impossible, depending on how things are

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Speaker 12: structured and buried in different LLCs and whatnot. Clayton's not

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Speaker 12: interested in elderly horses, and I don't know what other

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Speaker 12: assets she has. Clayton is interested in having the three

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Speaker 12: judgments paid, and it may be very difficult, if not impossible,

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Speaker 12: for that to happen.

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Speaker 1: In April twenty twenty six, after Laura's bankruptcy was dismissed.

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Speaker 1: Her former attorney, David Jingris, posted a video on his blog,

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Speaker 1: It's just jingeris this time? No Laura.

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Speaker 29: A lot of people don't realize this, but when you

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Speaker 29: file bankruptcy, or whether you do or don't file bankruptcy,

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Speaker 29: courts cannot make people pay money they don't have. In America,

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Speaker 29: we used to have I think I don't even know

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Speaker 29: the history of it. I think in England other countries

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Speaker 29: they had something called debtor's prison.

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Speaker 5: So if you incurred a.

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Speaker 29: Debt and you refuse to pay it, even if you

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Speaker 29: just didn't have the money because you're broke, they would

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Speaker 29: throw you in jail and basically make you work off

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Speaker 29: your debt. We don't have debtors' prisons in America. If

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Speaker 29: you are ordered to pay a billion dollars to somebody

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Speaker 29: in damages, and if you don't have the money, you're

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Speaker 29: never going to have to pay it. They don't put

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Speaker 29: you in jail. There's no consequence for being broke. So

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Speaker 29: Laura is not going to be paying Clayton anything as

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Speaker 29: a result of her bankruptcy being dismissed. She doesn't have

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Speaker 29: the money to pay him. He's welcome to go chasing

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Speaker 29: after that. He tried to already, so what can you do?

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Speaker 3: Nothing?

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Speaker 1: Clayton hasn't let it go. He's still holding out hope

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Speaker 1: that he'll get the court ordered repayment from Laura Owens.

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Speaker 1: But this isn't the end of the story. There's one

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Speaker 1: more twist all new tonight.

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Speaker 22: Laura Owens could take a plea deal instead of going

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Speaker 22: to trial.

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Speaker 30: Thirty five year old Laura Owens back in court, this

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Speaker 30: time discussing a possible plea deal on the table. Americo

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Speaker 30: BA County Attorney's office won't discuss the terms of that

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Speaker 30: plea deal with with US, but during a pre trial

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Speaker 30: conference this morning, Owen's attorney confirm a plea deal has

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Speaker 30: been extended.

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Speaker 1: In February twenty twenty six, the state of Arizona offered

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Speaker 1: Laura Owens a plea deal for the fourteen felonies. Accepting

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Speaker 1: the plea would likely mean a more lenient sentence if

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Speaker 1: she admits to guilt on at least some of the charges.

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Speaker 1: The exact terms of the plea aren't public, but I

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Speaker 1: called Clayton to see what he's able to share.

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Speaker 3: As a victim.

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Speaker 2: I have been told what the plea is and without

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Speaker 2: saying too much, I'll just tell you that I'm not

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Speaker 2: happy with it. For me, what I want to see

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Speaker 2: is Laura Face's prison time.

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Speaker 1: It leaves one huge question hanging in the air. Will

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Speaker 1: Laura take responsibility or head to trial and fight to

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Speaker 1: prove her innocence. We've caught you up to the biggest

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Speaker 1: cliffhanger in this entire story, and it's happening in real time.

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Speaker 1: Because that plea deal, it's current at least set to

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Speaker 1: expire the same day this episode comes out Thursday, April thirtieth.

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Speaker 2: So with that, I wait, we wait, and judgment time

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Speaker 2: is coming. But as far as what happens to Laura,

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Speaker 2: only time will tell.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a black and white decision, But I've

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Speaker 1: been following this story long enough to know somehow Laura

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Speaker 1: always tries to find a way out. We'll let you

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Speaker 1: know what happens on the next and final episode of

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