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Guys joining me shortly will 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: be Ebby's mother MS. Journegan but right now with me 22 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville 23 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: State University, renowned psychologists out of Manhattan, doctor Patricia Saunders, 24 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: and Alan Duke joining me from l A. Let's start 25 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: at the beginning, Alan, exactly when did Ebbie go missing? 26 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: Ebbie Jane Stepack was eighteen, disappearing October and this was 27 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: a day after she told her mother she had been 28 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted at a high school party. And she wasn't 29 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: seen since that day, no sign of her. Alan, that 30 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: cannot be a coincidence in my mind, I just don't 31 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: think she tells her mom she gets assaulted, sexually assaulted 32 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: at a high school party. The next day she goes missing. 33 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: What do we know about the clues left behind? Alan? 34 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: The one thing they found her car. They found it 35 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 1: in a park in Little Rock. It was a little Volkswagen, Ryan, Yeah, 36 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: it was registered to her dad, but it was the 37 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: car she used. Also, her cell phone was peemed in 38 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: the park, So that was a big clue and you 39 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: would think that that would be the thing that would 40 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: lead them to this child. Well, in the last hours 41 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: and major break in the case, Alan, what happened. They 42 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: found her near the car, near where the car was. 43 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait wait wait, she goes missing in 44 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: her car in two thousand fifteen, they find her car, 45 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: and now her remains are found beside the car. How 46 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: can that be? Two years have passed. Yeah, you would 47 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: think that they would have found this, this, this young lady. 48 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: She was in a drain pipe and Nancy Little Rock 49 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: police have just announced the results are back from the 50 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: Arkansas State Crime Lab confirming that it is Ebby. It's 51 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: remarkable to realize the drain pipe where her skeletal remains 52 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: were found was just yards away from where Ebby's car 53 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: was found three years ago and where friends and family 54 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: erected a memorial for her. Oh oh, the thought of 55 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: that that Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, I don't understand. 56 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: We're right now that although no formal idea has been made, 57 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: we believe remains found in the West Little Rock Park 58 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: are eavy steppic. Now. Her car was located shortly after 59 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: she goes missing in that same park, the missing teen girl, 60 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: but her remains were in an underground pipe. Right now, 61 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: public works crew have dug up more of the pipe 62 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: searching for evidence. It's an underground drain pipe at Shelamont 63 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: Park and that's just south of Joe T. Robinson School 64 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: on the western end of the neighborhood. She was reporting 65 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,559 Speaker 1: reported missing October. Her Volkswagen found a few days later 66 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: in that park. The park has been searched many times 67 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: since her disappearance. Nobody can explain how the body wasn't found. 68 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, it seems to me if the police have 69 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: brought in cade ever dogs, they would have found her, 70 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: even though it's an underground drain pipe. Yeah, can ever 71 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: dogs live to go down in spaces like that. It's 72 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: obvious that this probably did not occur. This is a 73 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: very uh confined area and it's something in my experience 74 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: that the normal person would not want to egress through. 75 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: Let me paint the picture for you. In this pipe itself, 76 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna have a big thick base of silt that's 77 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: sitting down there. Her body, if this is her, has 78 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: been down there, and we're three years down range at 79 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: this point, Nancy, So anything that's contained in that pipe 80 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: is going to be skeletonized, so they have to be 81 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: very very careful. One report that I'm seeing is that 82 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: they're literally digging the pipe up, extra extricating it from 83 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: the ground. They're gonna put it on top of the ground. 84 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: And it would not actually surprise me to see them 85 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: take this thing out in sections and take it to 86 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: the crime lab. But you never know. I don't know 87 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: how they'll be doing this in Arkansas. That's the way 88 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: I would handle the case to keep it containing. It's 89 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: just making me just sick to my stomach because the 90 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: parents have long say they had to beg beg police 91 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: to convince law enforcement that Ebby was taken against her will. 92 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: She had never run away, she had never gone missing. 93 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: She was an honored student, just scrubbed in sunshine. Ebby 94 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: disappears just after telling her parents she was sexually assaulted 95 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: at a high school party. Then all this time later, 96 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: she hasn't been found. But right now a break in 97 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: the case of Ebby steppic Now, according to her parents, 98 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: police delayed interviewing witnesses, starting to search for her, or 99 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: even getting some Walmart and footage that may show what 100 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: their daughter was doing in the hours just before she 101 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: goes missing. Now what else do we know? We know 102 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: A few days after Ebby's disappearance, cops told the mom 103 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: Ebby's cell phone was last used in the middle of 104 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: the woods, and the officers refused to search the area. 105 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: So the mommy Lori Jernigan, goes out in the woods 106 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: herself to look for her daughter. And then after all that, 107 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: with the mom out in the woods calling exhaustively into 108 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: the night for her daughter, can you imagine, then cops 109 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: tell her they had entered the wrong phone number. That's 110 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: just a little bit of what the parents have gone 111 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: through right now, and psychologist Dr Patricia Saunders joining us 112 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: from New York. Dr Patricia the visual the middle image 113 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: of them holding the memorial, the candlelight vigils where her 114 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: car was parked, and now they know that a few 115 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: feet under them is their daughter's body or was she 116 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: even possibly still live with them standing over her. Patricia's 117 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: double trauma. In any event, First the daughter goes missing 118 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: after telling her parents that she was sexually assaulted um 119 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: and then the police, the people who were supposed to 120 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: out parents families were a missing eighteen year old, don't 121 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: forks to do very much and in hindsight, for them 122 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: to realize that they were standing right on top of 123 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: a daughter who might have been said, is the worst 124 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: night there for a parent. I mean, I could hardly 125 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: take it in. Um. In the last hours, we find 126 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: out that human remains have been found in an underground 127 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: drain pipe. Joseph got Morgan, forensics expert. Do you have 128 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: studied the facts? What would someone have to do to 129 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: get her dead or alive into that drain pipe? Who 130 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: would he even think of that? Well, there's two ways 131 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: that you can access a drain pipe, Nancy, I've been 132 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: thinking about this. First off, you would have to know 133 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: where the thing terminates. That is, where it opens up 134 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: where you can access Wait a minute, that tells me 135 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: it's a local right there, Go ahead, yeah, yeah, Or 136 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: you would have to have manhole access. Again, you would 137 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: have to be aware of where this is. And I 138 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: find it real curious, Nancy, that this is in a park, 139 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: her car, is there maybe woods adjacent to it? Well, 140 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: you know what if and this is a big what if? 141 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,239 Speaker 1: What if she was summoned to that location by somebody 142 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: just to have a talk, if you know what I mean, 143 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: And then they get out there and then something bad 144 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: goes wrong and they're looking for a quick way to 145 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: dispose of her body. Um, after this has been facilitated. 146 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: A grown person could take her, She's not a very 147 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: large uh child, take her and literally bring her the 148 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: length of that pipe to have for secluded in this area. 149 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be key. So yeah, I think 150 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: you're right. I think that this is probably a local 151 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: that has an awareness of this area. She got some 152 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: into that park. I'd like to know the nature of 153 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: that park. What goes on there? Do teenagers hang out? 154 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: Is this a lover's laying kind of area? Who frequents 155 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: that park? Uh? So? Has she ever been known to 156 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: go there before? This is I think there's a lot 157 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: of meat on the bone here relative to uh, relative 158 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: to the investigation and things that they can look into. 159 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: I am just shocked, absolutely shocked that they didn't pursue 160 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: this any further uh than they did when this thing 161 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: initially kicked off. You know too, Dr Patricia Saunders, not 162 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: only dealing with I mean, I don't even know what 163 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: I would do if I did not have the twins 164 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: to look forward to at night, too, you know, making 165 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: their supper, helping them with their school projects. I mean, 166 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: it's it's my whole world, and I'm thinking about Ebbie's parents, 167 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: not only dealing with her not being there, but then 168 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: not knowing. Dr Patricia, that's probably the worst part of this, 169 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: and that's why I said this is a double trauma, 170 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: not only using the door that she's missing, not knowing, 171 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: but the very people who were supposed to help don't 172 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: really And this is as far outside. But if this 173 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: was a local is there a possibly some covernment that 174 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: will be investigated. I'm sure because if what we're hearing 175 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: from the parents about the way the case was handled, 176 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: apparently police didn't even believe she had been taken against 177 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: her will. To start with, guys, right now, let's go 178 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: straight out to a police press conference. Cold case investigators 179 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: came out here in Lamont Park. Well utilize our public 180 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: works department with the city, and they began to follow 181 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: on once they leads. But they just began to follow 182 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: up on the investigation into the disappearance of every step it. Um. 183 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: You know, we've been working on this case since two 184 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen. We've been back out to this park 185 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen. I was actually one of 186 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: the ones out here and we never found anything. Today, Um, 187 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: those cold case investigators decided that we needed to look 188 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: in a drainage pipe that runs here down the back 189 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: of the park, and we used public works to pull 190 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: up the pipe and to dig it up. And once 191 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: we got the pipe up, they were able to see 192 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: that there was human marine remains inside that part of 193 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: the pipe. Immediately stopped. UM contacted more detectives. We've got 194 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: a crime scene out here, and we've contacted the FBI. 195 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: They have sent their Evidence Response team out here to 196 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: assist us. The Plaska County corners out here also to assist. 197 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: Because what we're doing now as a recovery situation where 198 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: this is going to take quite a at a time. UM, 199 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: as you can imagine the remains are, it's gonna take 200 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: time to sift through the pipe that we have. We're 201 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: gonna pull up possibly more of that pipe and go 202 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: through that also. UM. Right now, I can just verify 203 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: that it is human remains. I can't verify who it 204 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: is UM at this time. We'll have to take the 205 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: remains that we do gather up to the Medical Examiner's 206 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: office and from there having autopsy to DNA and trying 207 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: to you know, confirm the identity. So you can't confriend 208 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: that the UM. The remains were found in a drainage pipe. 209 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: That's correct. They were they skeletal remains or were they 210 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: at this point and we're still going through the pipe. 211 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: So at this point what we have is skeletal Um. 212 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: We still have dirt and other debris that's been pushed 213 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: through that pipe to go through also so um. But 214 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: right now what we're seeing the skeleton. So I know 215 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: everyone is wondering, is is this ebby Steppic Do you 216 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: believe there's any any connection or y'all any update with 217 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: that because this is the park where you search for 218 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: her in two thousand and sixteen, this is where she 219 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: her car was found. Yes, and those are all good points. 220 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: That's why we were out here today to follow up 221 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: on the missing report on miss step It. So, yes, 222 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: the where we started um, as you can see the 223 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: memorial back here behind us is where the our vehicle 224 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: was found and that drainage pipe starts not far from there. 225 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: So this is all based upon following up on that case. Detectives. 226 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: If we've never given up on this, you know, I know, Um, 227 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: it's taken a while and sometimetimes these things do. And 228 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: then with the creation of the cold case squad, we 229 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: were able to utilize them, while homicide detectives and the 230 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: violent crime detectives were able to work on the new 231 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: stuff that comes in daily in a little rock, and 232 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: then the cold case was able to continue to look 233 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: through the file do follow up, and one of the 234 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: investigators decided that, hey, we need to look further into this, 235 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: and then that's what led us here today. So a 236 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: tip didn't lead you here, No, No, this was purely 237 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: our investigators and and manly the cold case guys just 238 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: following up and kind of using gut instinct and going 239 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: through that file and seeing, you know what what we 240 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: could do next? Can you describe? So you said, once again, 241 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: where was the trainage pipe in relation to the park? Here? 242 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: It runs but sat behind the park. Of course you 243 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: can't see it. That runs down there's a parking lot 244 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: back there and it runs um kind of paralleliction. Besides 245 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: human remains with their clothing found or can you come 246 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: in on that. Can't come in on that because right 247 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: now we're still this is gonna be a slow process. 248 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: We're still gonna slowly remove the stuff out of that pipe. 249 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I haven't been informed of any 250 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: clothing yet, but it's still way early No tip led 251 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: us here. We knew this is the last place that 252 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: we knew she was, but based on our car and 253 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: protectives just came back here again today. 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Tell me what happened when Ebby went missing. 287 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: Start at the beginning. For our listeners that don't know Ebby. UM, 288 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: this is so overwhelming, I'm sorry if I start crying. UM. 289 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: Ebbie was a senior, had just started high school, had 290 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: started a new school by her choice, Um, and she 291 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: went to a party she was staying with my son, 292 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: her brother. She went to a party on Friday night, 293 00:18:53,119 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: October and was assaulted sexually assaulted. UM. She found out 294 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: that it was being recorded, so she left the party. 295 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: She contacted my husband Saturday evening UM and told him 296 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: about it. She didn't want me to know about it, 297 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: told him that she wanted that. She did call the police, UM, 298 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: they were not helpful. She told my husband exactly what happened. 299 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: She mentioned she had also text other friends and told 300 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: him what happened. So this guy that raped her, she 301 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: knew him correct from school? From school and is that 302 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: one of the guys that went on to get a 303 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: scholarship to school? Exactly? Mm hmm okay, so that happens 304 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: that night. She doesn't tell you because she doesn't want 305 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: you upset. She tells her dad instead. Did they report 306 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: the rape? No, he did not. Ebby called the police 307 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: before she told my husband, which is ebby stepdad. Um. 308 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: She did not get any answers from the police what 309 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: to do. Uh. They did not give her any answers 310 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: of coming downtown reporting it. So after she told my 311 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: husband in text message everything that happened, he was going 312 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: to meet her and go to police station with her 313 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: before they met. Ebby disappeared. The night before she was 314 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: raped by a guy that she knew. She's still in 315 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: high school. That she called police. Nothing was ever done 316 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: about it. She disappears and he goes on to get 317 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: a sports scholarship. Is my understanding of what happened. And 318 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: then the next morning she goes with her brother. She's 319 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: supposed to go with her brother to visit the grandma 320 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: and west Little Rock. Your husband, her stepfather was supposed 321 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: to meet her there, but when he gets there, she's gone. 322 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Her family never saw Abby again. Is that correct? That's correct. 323 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: She was at her grandmother's house around seven pm. She 324 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: texts my husband told him everything that happened. He said, 325 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: I'll meet you. She didn't want him become to my 326 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: parents house. He didn't. She didn't want them upset, so 327 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: she said, yes, we'll meet um. He left, called her 328 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: to get a place to meet. He never heard from her. 329 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: He couldn't get in touch with her. He verified with 330 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: my parents that she was there, that she left. She 331 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: actually told my parents I'll be back later, love you. 332 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: Was not upset and left. We don't know where she went, 333 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: or who she met, or what happened to her until 334 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: five Sunday afternoon. The next day. The next afternoon, after 335 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: all of us trying to reach her, she finally answered 336 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: the phone. My son called her. She finally answered the phone. 337 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: He said, where are you? And she said, I'm in 338 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: front of your house. So my son Trevor hung up 339 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: and said, okay, I'm on my way out. He went 340 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: out there. She wasn't there, and he called her back. 341 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: He said, you're not here. Where are you? And she said, 342 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm with my car. And isn't it 343 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: true that in that conversation, your son says, Abby sounded 344 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: very disoriented, that she didn't seem to know what was 345 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: going on. What do you mean by that? What do 346 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: you mean? But she sounded disoriented. She didn't sound drunk 347 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 1: or slurring, but she did not know where she was, 348 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: She didn't know who was with her. All she could 349 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: say to him was I'm in my car. I'm with 350 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: my car. And the more he tried to question her, 351 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: that's all he could get from her was And this 352 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: conversation went on four minutes, and all she could say 353 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: over and is I'm with my car. I don't know 354 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: who I'm with. I don't know where I am, and 355 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: he when that's all I could get from her, he 356 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: called my husband to get her phone, paining to find 357 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: out where she was. That that's what was going on. 358 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: He called my husband. That's what they were trying to do. 359 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: At the same time, my husband's driving everywhere looking to her. 360 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: And when Trevor called her back, she never answered again. 361 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: We've never heard from her again since that phone call 362 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: to dot Washburn little radio host joining us. Isn't it 363 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: true that a few days after she disappears, her car 364 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: it was a silver Volkswagen, and her belongings, including her 365 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: cell phone, her contact lenses, were found in West Little Rock? 366 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: What do we know, Doc? Yeah, the car was found 367 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: and the guy who found it was I guess the 368 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: security guy there at the at the development of the 369 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: neighborhood there in West Little Rock, and he contacted the 370 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: police saying, I don't know why this this car is 371 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: out here. Um, I guess the the keys are still 372 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: an ignission, that the battery was dead, it was out 373 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: of gas, and it took several days for the police 374 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: to respond. Why did it take several days for the 375 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: police to respond. Ebby had already been reported missing and 376 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: this is her car. Yeah, sure, well the the guy, 377 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: the guy didn't know it was was Ebbie car apparently. 378 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: But when the police did finally went out there and 379 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: got the car, you know, Eddie's name is on the title, 380 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: and her birth father's name is on the title, and 381 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: even though everybody in town knows she's missing, the police 382 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: called the birth father and say, hey, we find a 383 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: car out here. What's what's going on? As if they didn't, Nancy, 384 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: let me interrupt you. Here that security guard Guy Hooper 385 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: is speaking to reporters about the discovery of the remains 386 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 1: in the drainage pipe. Let's listen. Long years when I 387 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: got the call about what they had possibly found, you 388 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: hit the real hard. But probably within a hundred yards 389 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: were the young like hello or whoever it is, was 390 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: down there. We think, we hope for closure, that the 391 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: way we hope it's not, but then we still don't 392 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: have answers. That just seems unimaginable to me that this girl, 393 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: this young girl, a high schooler for Pete's sake, goes 394 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: missing in a relatively small town. I mean, I mean, 395 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: we compare it to New York or l A, San Francisco. 396 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: This is a small town everybody knows she's missing, and 397 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: there's her car, and it takes days for police to 398 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: get there. And then they called the dango, Oh hey, 399 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: even found your car. For that matter, the guy who 400 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: finds the car. UM. You know, Ebie's family was told, oh, yeah, 401 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: we interviewed him and everything, etcetera, etcetera. Months later to 402 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: find out, no, they didn't. Months later to find out 403 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: that apparently this guy had a video on a thumb drive, 404 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: UM that they never bothered messing with for that matter. UM. 405 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: The refusal to try to find out much about the 406 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: people she was hanging out with. UM, nobody with a 407 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: police department, with with a crew that was investigating this 408 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: at first, was was interested in trying to get cell 409 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: phones of people that she was with. I mean, it's 410 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: just one thing after another. And and the verbal abuse 411 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: I believe, and of course Laurie can speak to us 412 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: better than than I can, uh that that she and 413 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: her husband experienced from from people who are still on 414 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: the forest with a little wife. Police depart hold on 415 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: hold on verbal abuse abuse on a victim's mom with 416 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: me is Ebby's mom. And if you could see the 417 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: photos of this girl, she is absolutely stunning She's just 418 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: precious and in a few short years, my little Lucy 419 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: would be her age and my John David too. Laurie Jurakin, 420 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: who is Ebbie's mom. What is Dot Washburn saying about? 421 00:27:53,320 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: What verbal abuse? Is doc talking about? Lorie? I it 422 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: happened the whole during the whole case. These officers, this lieutenant, 423 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: the sergeant, the detective. No one would investigate this, no one. 424 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: It went on and I would show up at the 425 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: police station. I brought I can't tell you how many 426 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: copies of phone records I brought. Every time I would 427 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: show up, they would It would be ugly, and they 428 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: got mad because I would come down and confront them. Uh, 429 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: they got mad because I would show that, you know, 430 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: I would show where they were lying to me. It 431 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: got so bad that the prosecutor here in Little Rock 432 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: sent one of his ex employees with me so she 433 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: could take notes, just just to have some when they're 434 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: taking notes. That's the third party. When I asked them 435 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: for the phones, the boys phones, they said no, we 436 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: didn't get them, and I was just I couldn't believe it. 437 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: Another one of Ebbie's friends had Abby's original phone and 438 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: had been sharing the cloud with Ebby. I asked if 439 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: they got her phone. No, we didn't get them. I 440 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: asked them, are they know we're not we don't have 441 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: probable cause. I was just outrage. I can't even describe 442 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: how I felt, how I still feel about it. I'm 443 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: so angry. Um, when I I got so angry that 444 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: the whole police force, like the captain, all the lieutenants, 445 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: everyone met with me. I went over reason after reason 446 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: after reason to get these boys phones, to get subpoenas 447 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: for him. And that captain looked at me and said, 448 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: there's no probable cause. And I looked at him and said, 449 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: what does it take for probable cause? And he looked 450 00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: at me and said, I decide what's probable cause. I this, 451 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: I can't even I can't even express how what that 452 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: did to my family. Over and over it got to 453 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: be so bad. Um. I had the lieutenant, well, the 454 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: sergeant that was head of this case at the time. 455 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: We were very angry at each other, and we had 456 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: text messages back and forth. They took my husband. They 457 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: didn't ask for polygraph tests for us from the beginning, 458 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: which we were absolutely would have done in a second. Um, 459 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: they're this sergeant for whatever reason, was hell bent on 460 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: running putting my my husband, putting this on my husband. 461 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: There's no wreck, I mean everything, There's nothing that would 462 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: suggest my husband had anything involved. Well, the last person 463 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: to talk to her was her brother, and your husband's 464 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: whereabouts how been verified. At the time of that conversation, 465 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: he was not with her. Laurie, tell Nancy Grace what 466 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: happened when you apparently committed the unpardonable sin of referring 467 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: to some of the guys that that Ebby have been 468 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: hanging out with his thugs. Yeah. I want to hear 469 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: exactly what happened, Laurie, because you confronted the police about 470 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: the guys that were at that party that night, and 471 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: they didn't want to hear anything about it. They did 472 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: not want to hear one word about it. So, Laurie, 473 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: my question is what has become of those guys that 474 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: you believe raped Ebby. Nothing. They've gone to school there 475 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: on with their lives. They've not been questioned again. They 476 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: were questioned at the very beginning briefly, Um the guy 477 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: said no, you're not getting our phones and they were left. 478 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean, so they've gone on with their lives now. 479 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: Abby had a very unusual tattoo. What did it say, Lisa? 480 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: With every with every darker night becomes a brighter day, 481 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: and is that on her arm, that's on her torso 482 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: on her right? With every with every darker night there 483 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: comes a brighter day, and that was her heart. A 484 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: major break in the case in the search for ebby 485 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: Stepic in two thousand fifteen, they find her car and 486 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: now her remains are found dot Washburn. Little rock radio host, 487 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: I find it too much of coincidence that she was 488 00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: raped the night before and it was videoed by the 489 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: creep that did it, and in the next within you know, 490 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: forty eight hours, she goes missing, her car has found 491 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: abandoned in an unrelated upscale suburban home housing development. I 492 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: find that very I mean, there is no coincidence in 493 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: criminal criminal law, I very often say so, it's hard 494 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: for me to think that one night she's raped, she 495 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: calls the police, she tells her stepdad, there's an outcry, 496 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: witness two of them, and then suddenly she's gone, I'm 497 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: just not buying it, Doc. No, I'm not either, Nancy. 498 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: And obviously you're you're thinking like a prosecutor, and you know, 499 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: I've never had any law law courses, but I've talked 500 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: to Polny lawyers and usually I think the most reasonable 501 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: explanation is a correct one. And the fact that they 502 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: people at the Little art Of Police department we were 503 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be investigating, are telling Laurie and her husband 504 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: right off the bat, well, don't go to the media, 505 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: don't publicize this. And the fact that they told this 506 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: family for months. Yes, we we interviewed the custodian there 507 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: at the at the residential area where the car was found, 508 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: and then months later when Ev gets ahold of a 509 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: private investigator, he finds out now they didn't interview the guy, 510 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: and the guy had video on the thumb drive for months. 511 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: It might have helped, but now the thumb drive has gone. 512 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: And the fact that they're refusing to follow up with 513 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: these guys that that eye was hanging out with, I mean, 514 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: the whole crew that was handling supposedly this investigation for 515 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: the first eight months seemed determined to not want to 516 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: know what happened to her. I think that if they 517 00:34:54,040 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: had actually conducted a competent investigation from the start and 518 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: we would have found out Abby was planning to go 519 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: to the Little Rock p d to report a sex 520 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: assault a rape, but before she could actually talk to police, 521 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: before she could get to the police station, she disappears. 522 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: Why she's become famous within the Little Rock, Arkansas community, 523 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: but for for what? For going missing? Ebby goes to 524 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: a house party. That was the end of the trail 525 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: for Abby. For all intents and purposes. She goes to 526 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: a party on a Friday night. She has sex assaulted there. 527 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: It was video taped. Police never got that video to 528 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: her mom joining me Lorie Journe again, Laurie, when you 529 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and you put your feet 530 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: on the floor and you think of your girl Abby, 531 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: what goes through your mind? Um, I'm I'm devastating. I 532 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: miss her so much. Um. I had so much anger 533 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: towards two police that were involved in this in the beginning. 534 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: I have so much gratitude for the the cats that 535 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: have it. Now. I miss her so much. I miss 536 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: her so much. I wonder back. I want her body back. Well, 537 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm going back over all the evidence. In my mind, 538 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: I mean, what teen girl, he's behind her cell phone 539 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: or clothing or makeup, contact lenses and her cell phone. 540 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the world. Why would she willingly leave 541 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: that behind. There was a fifty thousand dollar reward offered. 542 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: She was last seen at her grandmother's house. She made 543 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: one mystery call to her brother, but was disoriented and 544 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: it was clearly asking for help, but couldn't seem to 545 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: be able to say where she was or who had her. 546 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: Days later, her car turns up in an upscale area 547 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: near Little Rock. It was sitting there. Took police three 548 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 1: days to come get her car, in the car, her 549 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: cell phone, her makeup, her contact lenses. No teen girl 550 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: wants to be separated from her cell phone. I can 551 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: tell you that much. So let me go to our 552 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: special guest, dout Washburn, little Rock radio host and Ebbie's mother, 553 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: Lorie Journe Again. Ebbie was. Ebbie was all about social media. 554 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 1: She was on social media you all the time, as 555 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: kids are on social media. I'm reading a post that you, 556 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: Laurie rn Again posted. It says, Lord God, Almighty, maker 557 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: of Heaven and Earth. I asked, boldly, give me Ebby today. 558 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: Tell me what was going through your mind when you 559 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: wrote that, Laurie. Now I write that I feel that 560 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: every day I pray to have her every day. I 561 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: have very strong faith but this will sure make you 562 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 1: question it. Um, I plead. We have ebby spacebook page 563 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: and we have so many followers that pray for her 564 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: and pray for us every day. I don't even know 565 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: most of these people, but Ebbie has touched their heart 566 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: in the mystery. You can't you can't just disappear. You 567 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: just can't disappear. You know. It's amazing to me. It's 568 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: amazing to me. Dot Washburn police told the parents not 569 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: to go public. That that why, you know, that's the 570 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: six or four thousand dollar question, Nancy. I wish I knew. 571 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: But again, the way they treated this family, at least 572 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: the the police with the Little Rock Police Department, who 573 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: were supposedly supposed to be doing the investigation for the 574 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: first eight months, is it's an outrage. Um. You know 575 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: that the people who picked up the ball after the 576 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: first eight months seemed to have been doing a good job, 577 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: but so much was lost in that initial time period 578 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: that you can't go back and get. What's amazing to 579 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: me is that the rape was never investigated and the 580 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: alleged rapist has now gone off to college with a scholarship. 581 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: The alleged rapists, I can't outright say rape because it 582 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: was never even investigated. So nobody's a suspect, nobody's a perpetrator, 583 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: nobody's person of interest because it was never investigated. And 584 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: then the videotape, as I understand it was on a 585 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: hard drive, was on and that's been lost. Explained that 586 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: to me, Doc. The thumb drive that I was talking 587 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: about was was the video of where the car was 588 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: found the security guy at the development. Wait, wait, wait, 589 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: there's surreillance video of her car being driven. What do 590 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: we know about that video? Is it real? Is that 591 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: her car? Well, you know, if the Little Lick Police Department, 592 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: if the people at the Little Life Police Department hadn't 593 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: lied and said, yeah, we interviewed the security guy out 594 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: of the development, and months later the p I found out, 595 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: well no that's not true. They didn't interview him, and 596 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: he had a thumb drive with video that area for 597 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: several months before he got rid of it. Um, you 598 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: know that there's so much like that that has been 599 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: missed by people who seem to be determined to not 600 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 1: find out what happened to this young lady. We're very close. 601 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: She she would spend the night out, but she would 602 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: come home. Um, she wanted to be at home. She 603 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: wanted her friends to be at our home. She was 604 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: more comfortable at home. There's not a day that has 605 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,399 Speaker 1: been gone by in her life that she's not We 606 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 1: haven't been in contact or with her. Let's talk about 607 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: the facts. Let's talk about her cell phone. What evidence, 608 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: if any, was recovered from her cell phone? What were 609 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: her last phone calls and text Do you know that? No? 610 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't why I've not been told that where's the phone? 611 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: FBI has it? The FBI? Would they allow you to 612 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: see it? We first got the phone, um, in the 613 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: very beginning, the little police department gave us the phone 614 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: and asked us if we knew how to unlock it. 615 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's not a good sign. And they couldn't 616 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: get it unlocked. Well, I don't know her past code. 617 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: I assumed police officers knew how to do that. Well, 618 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: ours didn't. They didn't know how to get into her Snapchat, 619 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: her Instagram, her Facebook. I literally had to download and 620 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 1: copy the the directions for law enforcement to get information 621 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: from apps. I had to download that. That's what you 622 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: agree to when you download any any app. I had 623 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: to copy that and give that to them so they 624 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: can figure out how to contact Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, So 625 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: the FBI has it now. It's amazing to me that 626 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: that you don't know. They haven't told you her most 627 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: her last text, her license, voicemails, who spoke to her 628 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: last and you can definitely triangulate or figure out where 629 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: her cell phone had been prior to finding it, and 630 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: where it had been prior to those last pings, if 631 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: anybody contacted her said hey, meet me, anything like that. 632 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 1: And why do you think dot Washburn that her car 633 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: turned up and this upscale housing development that she has 634 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: no connection to, It looks like somebody dumped the car 635 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: to me, I mean, look, if they had the search 636 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: done out there and they couldn't find any trace that 637 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: she had been in that development outside that car, you know, 638 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: even if she was abducted, it doesn't look like she 639 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: was abducted there. That that's the one thing. And then 640 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: the other thing, as what Laurie was talking about about 641 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: how it seemed to be like pulling teeth to get 642 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,240 Speaker 1: the Little Life police department interested in checking out social media. 643 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: My understanding is, and I don't know if it's change 644 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: since every disappeared, but a little like police department didn't 645 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: have an I T. Guy. Uh, they didn't know anything 646 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: about social media. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven. I mean, 647 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago. For Pete's sake, every every 648 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: force has an I T. Guy. This is what we know. 649 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: Ebby Stepic disappears October two thousand fifteen. No one has 650 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: come forward with any information. The reward has increased. It 651 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: is now fifty thousand dollars. That's a lot of money. 652 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 1: Back to Laurie journ Again, mother of missing Ebby Jane, Laura, 653 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: tell me how do you keep your hope alive? Faith? 654 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: My my belief and God. Um, that's the only thing 655 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: that keeps me going. And when I don't have it, 656 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: as other prayers that keep me going, that's the only 657 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,800 Speaker 1: way I can keep going. Um. I will fight whoever 658 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: I need to fight until I find her, until I 659 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: find her body, until I find her, I will fight 660 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 1: till my last breath. I have made so many enemies 661 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: in our legal depart in our law enforcement here in Arkansas, 662 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: and I've had also I've also had advocates show up 663 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: in our police department. Um, that's where my that's where 664 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: my hope lives is our detective right now, Tommy Hudson, 665 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: he's obsessed with this. He came out of retirement for 666 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: this case. That's that's the case he works on full time. UM. 667 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: We had an assistant chief Beauley Wyane Buley that when 668 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 1: he removed the case from our original group, he apologized 669 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: to me over and over of how we were treated, 670 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: how the case was mishandled. We had files stossified, we 671 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: had um our original group investigators get into her Google 672 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,720 Speaker 1: account and manipulate her account. Um. There's so many things 673 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: that were done to, like God said, prevent us from 674 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: finding our daughter. They wanted to stick with their theory 675 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 1: she's a runaway, she'll come home. Of course, police always 676 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: look at those closest to a victim, and that would 677 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: include her stepfather. Police investigated him and he has totally 678 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: been cleared. There was even no suggestion that he was 679 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: involved in this. And I want to put that in 680 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: the listeners minds right now, because there was nothing at 681 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 1: all to suggest her brother or stepfather or bio dad 682 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: had anything to do with her disappearance. And I'm saying 683 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: that because that's the first place all homicide or kidnap 684 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,439 Speaker 1: investigations start with those family members and then it goes 685 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: out to UH love objects, romantic interests X as it 686 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: goes from there. I'm gonna put it on the record 687 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: right now. The stepfather, the bio dad, the brother have 688 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to do with Ebby's disappearance. To Ebbe's mom, 689 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: Laurie Journakin, Laurie, when you think of Abby, what is 690 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:33,800 Speaker 1: your most vivid memory, how happy she is, her love 691 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: of people, animals, and her happiness, her affection, She she loved, loved, loved, 692 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: and she helped others that gave her so much story 693 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: to help others, her friends. The constant theme is she 694 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 1: would do anything for you, and she she would. Um, 695 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't have that anymore. I don't have her here. 696 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: I don't get to see that face, hear her funny stories. 697 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't have that anymore. And those that have come 698 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: to know her through this investigation, she's touched so many loves. 699 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: She's touched so many loves through all this. I have 700 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: to fight for her because Ebbie is a fighter. I 701 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: search in search and I share everything I searched, and 702 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: that's what Ebby would do for me. The irony and 703 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: the discovery of these remains that we believe our Ebby's 704 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:42,839 Speaker 1: tomorrow as National Missing Children's Day, and we are devoting 705 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:50,240 Speaker 1: ourselves to finding missing children. And my heart is breaking 706 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: for the stepics now. 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