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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: So Robert Kerbak, you were just saying that Kevin Dylan,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what could have been a thing where one

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Speaker 2: fire leads to another fire and needs to another fire

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Speaker 2: in the high fire spreads, he took a stat he

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Speaker 2: drew a line in in the in the lawn, as

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Speaker 2: it were, to keep it from going. Am I right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And it just, you know, it blew me away

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Speaker 3: when I heard that story and when I interviewed Kevin,

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Speaker 3: because you know, you just don't think you know, he

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Speaker 3: you know, was putting his life at risk, his career

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Speaker 3: at risk for strangers.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: And I just was really impressed with that. And that

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Speaker 3: was one of the things that and I'm sure the

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Speaker 3: people in Maui are finding that out too, is they're

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Speaker 3: learning these stories about you know, people doing things for

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Speaker 3: strangers that save people's lives. And you know, when you

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Speaker 3: were talking before about you know, standing by people in

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Speaker 3: a difficult time, you know, it means so much. And

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Speaker 3: that story in my book, the story of Kevin doing that,

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Speaker 3: you know, it seems to have so much you know,

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Speaker 3: basically sacrificing everything. I just was really impressed with that.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's add your chapter to Amy's book. She was

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Speaker 2: when we spoke to last night during Open Life and

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Speaker 2: Amy ken you hears.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yep, I can hear you.

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Speaker 2: You're talking to Robert Kerback.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Robert, Hi, Amy. I'm so sorry for everything you're going through.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. How are things going for you today? A little?

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Speaker 2: I mean you were last night, you were just kind

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Speaker 2: of still assessing. But what do you know now that

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Speaker 2: you didn't know twenty four hours ago?

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Speaker 4: Well? Today, I don't know. I just had this feeling

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Speaker 4: of just goodness wash over me. What do we know now?

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Speaker 4: You know, we know that they're pulling bodies out of

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Speaker 4: the water. Still, they're still looking for bodies. They confirmed

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Speaker 4: that gunfight with the police that I told you about

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Speaker 4: last night. You did, Yeah, they I see them on

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Speaker 4: the lower roads putting in all of that. Powerful and

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Speaker 4: amazing to see that they have cut off access from

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Speaker 4: if they I don't know if they're allowed to build

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Speaker 4: the backway, but where people are going the back way,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It's just a beautiful community today. It

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Speaker 4: was just everybody just seems like they're brighter spirits, you know.

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Speaker 2: Proverta to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I'm I'm speechless because it's I

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Speaker 3: you know, look, I went through it. You know, I'm

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Speaker 3: not on the scale that you guys are going through

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Speaker 3: because as we've learned now, this is the deadliest wildfire

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Speaker 3: in American in modern American history, and it's horrific, and

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry for you and your community. It's a community.

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Speaker 3: I know. I have a friend who lost their home.

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Speaker 3: So I'm heartbroken for you and I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: Amy.

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Speaker 2: What Amy, your father's doing all right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's well, So the place that we're staying has

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Speaker 4: stared and his need to pain everything ever, thing's a

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Speaker 4: little more difficult with him. But we've got we actually

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Speaker 4: had ties of permanent intakes down to the door today

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Speaker 4: and so they're going to bring his influence tomorrow, his

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Speaker 4: sins and anything else we need. So he's doing okay,

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Speaker 4: a little stumbling and a little out of sorts, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you're there's a story of two dogs tonight.

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Speaker 2: There's the story of your dogs who were that you

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Speaker 2: were able to save, but there's also the story of

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Speaker 2: the cadaver dogs that they are using that must I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine what that would be like to know that

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Speaker 2: that's the purpose of those dogs that are out there

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Speaker 2: in the rubble.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the you know, it's it's just it's just

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Speaker 4: it's horrible. It's horrible. You know, the number keeps rising

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Speaker 4: and it's just going to keep going up.

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Speaker 2: The death stole stands at eighty nine tonight. But as

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Speaker 2: you say that, any idea, what how the locals if

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, I have no clue on how to

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Speaker 4: last night, they were cutting the tops off of cars

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Speaker 4: having those cadavers is really important to find teeth, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Robert, you said, Robert you said you've been in lo

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Speaker 2: Ina like twenty times, what was your favorite place there

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Speaker 3: Know, I mean they you know, Amy knows this. That

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Speaker 3: Banyan tree there is just unbelievable. You know, it's it's

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Speaker 3: I hope that the tree survives so that at some

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Speaker 3: sort of symbol of of you know, how we how

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Speaker 3: we persevere in spite of the terrible thing.

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Speaker 2: That happened, like Chicago's water tower.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, the Banion tree is still there, and I

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Speaker 4: think it's going to come back stronger. Uh you know,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna going to have tourists slimbing all over it

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that'll. I think my memory of the conversation

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Speaker 2: of those so many that we had last night was

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Speaker 2: that I got I had the privilege of telling you

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Speaker 2: the good news that the tree had survived, and you're

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Speaker 2: a lot closer to it than I was, but I

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Speaker 2: had just seen it on a news story And so

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Speaker 2: are communications improving starlink at all?

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Speaker 4: Ah? No, I mean it's hit or miss Oh, Robert,

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Speaker 4: the tree just turned one hundred and fifty years old

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Speaker 4: this year, so you know that's a big deal. But

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Speaker 4: as far as communication, I don't know. We just got

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Speaker 4: do with my moods. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. But I

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Speaker 4: mean I haven't gotten internet all day today, but yesterday

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Speaker 4: I was just able to get it. They just like

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Speaker 4: be getting it, which would be amazing. Yeah, way faster

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Speaker 2: What was the what was the most uplifting moment? I

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Speaker 2: know it sounds hard to think about it, but Robert

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Speaker 2: was talking about that. No, just in general, where you

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Speaker 4: Which So I was just driving on the Lower Highway

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't on the radio because it's just localist, right,

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Speaker 4: they're not advertising it and they're like just partying up

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Speaker 4: the greatest. That's just so good because they were just

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Speaker 4: it's just a visual feeling of camaraderie.

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Speaker 2: Love that May it last forever. Yeah, thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: Amy for joining us back in the conversation that we

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Speaker 2: started last night. Uh, there you go, Robert. In a

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Speaker 2: lot of ways, that's an echo of Malibu burning too,

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Speaker 2: just the ways in which you wouldn't expect people to

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Speaker 2: It could be Uh, you know, there are lesser angels,

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Speaker 2: but they're not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I recently had a birthday. I had every single

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Speaker 3: had every single neighbor. No, I would not. You know,

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Speaker 3: I would have had some of the neighbors, the neighbors

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Speaker 3: In a terrible time. You know, it doesn't matter whether

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Speaker 3: count on, and these tragedies are not the authorities. It's

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Speaker 3: your neighbors, right, And that's a big lesson.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned from time to time. I have a studied

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Speaker 2: Hebrew for a while, and that concept of neighbor originally

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Speaker 2: meant not in terms of geographical proximity, but it was

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Speaker 2: If you need them, they're your neighbor and you're theirs.

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Speaker 2: This is you know, and it makes everything else, any

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Speaker 2: other preconception sort of just melt away. But now, so

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Speaker 2: looking forward, though, the lessons learned from the from Malibu burning,

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Speaker 2: what should they take from that into Maui to avoid

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Speaker 3: Well that's a fantastic question. And you know I'm here

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Speaker 3: to report. You know, Malibu I believe is far more

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Speaker 3: they use much more concrete. They build these homes so

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Speaker 3: can really see the difference, especially in Western Malibu where

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Speaker 3: why that fire is even more horrific. You know, if

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Speaker 3: would be great is if we didn't have to lose

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Speaker 3: thing is if we could go, hey, let's let's start

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Speaker 3: implementing these hardening things. You know, in California, you're required

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Speaker 3: simple things you can do with the home hardening for

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Speaker 3: wildfire too, and that's something that I think more states

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Speaker 2: Do, yeah, especially esthetically speaking, when there's been huge improvements

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Speaker 2: And that's not a good feeling.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not and and and you sound like the

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Speaker 2: And oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know you literally, like I said, twenty minutes, you

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Speaker 2: What was the There was Amy was like said about

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Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't say there was a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: Is it still?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still the worst wildfire in La County history.

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