WEBVTT - Short and Sweet and Full of Poop 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.360 Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.599 of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.200 and you know what, folks, this week, my brain, it's poop. 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.720 I've got a serious case of poop brain. So today 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.800 I thought we'd talk about what's been on everyone's mind. Poop. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.280 Poop is a fact of life. It's a fact of nature, 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:37.800 and sometimes it has very interesting evolutionary applications. We're gonna 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.519 talk about poop as a weapon, poop as medicine, poop 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:49.239 as well just poop. Joining me today is actor comedian. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.560 She's been in shows like Abby's Hacks Abbot, Elementary, Lucifer, 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:59.440 and After Midnight. Frankly speaking, she is overqualified for this show. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.400 It is Kima but Pornio. 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:06.520 Welcome, Wow, thank you so much. Absolutely not overqualified for 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.400 this particular subject. I'll have to say, I don't think 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.440 much about poop, and actually when I do it myself, 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.119 I try to hide it. So, yeah, you know that's 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:17.800 where I'm at. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.200 I do like having the plausible deniability of like just 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.839 not kind of thinking about what's going on down there 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.040 when you're on the toilet. Just being like, huh, I'm 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.280 just sitting here reading the news. Nothing else is happening. 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.000 It's fine, but you know, sometimes we do have to 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:39.200 face poop face poop facts, and in nature, animals are 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.920 a lot less precious about their poop as we are, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.320 Like we have a we definitely have sort of a 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:52.000 poop phobia. Remember the whole like Everybody Poop's book that 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:56.560 had to be created so children wouldn't feel Catholic shame 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.320 about pooping. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.880 Yes, oh my god God, was that actually funded by 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:02.640 some Catholics. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:03.880 No, I don't think so. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.320 I would believe you if it was. If it was, like, 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.160 you guys caused this problem. My child is scared of pooping. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.359 Now the church has to fund this book to make 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:13.239 them feel better. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.639 Jesus forgives you for your dodos. But it is. I 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.720 think it was made because a lot of kids, I 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.200 guess we're freaked out about pooping or had a lot 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.680 of questions about it, and it was a book meant 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.560 to reassure children that it's normal that stuff is coming 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.200 out of that end. It's okay. You you are not 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.520 it's not sinful, it's not it's not uh, you're not sick. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.520 There's nothing wrong with you. It's all good. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.359 Uh And also I get it. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.640 I guess also to keep kids from asking everyone if 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.400 they poop, because I suppose that's a problem with children 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.920 is they'll ask it, like, well, what about my teacher? 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.960 Does she poop? It's like, yes, she does. Here's a book, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.200 here's a pamphlet. You can read all about it. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.960 That's that's so funny. You're right. I didn't think about 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:58.760 that part. Kids just be asking everything. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.760 Yeah, yeah, good, they really do. How dare they little jerks? 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.560 Curious little jerks? So uh, I did when I was 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.040 having you on the show, is like, oh, we can 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.400 talk about something really nice, like birds. So let's start 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.600 with a bird. Oh good, Yeah, we're gonna start with 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.560 a bird. I'm gonna ease you into the subject. You know. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:25.560 So apparently penguins are fighting vampires. It's finally happening. We've 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:30.280 got the ultimate matchup that we've always wanted, penguins the vampire. 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.400 There's that, isn't there? Okay, there's that new You're you're 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.240 you're an actors, so you probably know about all the 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.200 TV shows, every single one. You watch all of them. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.800 So like, there's that Penguin show right where it's like 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:48.600 the Penguin except serious. Yes, I haven't seen it personally, 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.000 but is it just me? 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:50.520 Neither. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.720 I think it's just about mister penguin before he turns 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.880 into a man penguin. I'm not actually entirely sure about 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.960 the penguin batman villain sort of raison dut. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.920 I don't know much. I can't help you here. All 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.400 I've heard is that it's if the penguin batman villain 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.920 was in sopranos. Oh, that's how the show has been 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:14.600 described to me. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.039 You squawking at me, You squawking at me. I don't 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.120 know here, you I lump all them all. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:21.039 I don't think it is. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:21.520 It's fine. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:22.600 I don't think that is. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:25.600 That is it? 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.800 Taxi? When he's looking in the mirror, are you. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.120 Looking at I think that might be taxi taxi driver? 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.599 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:37.960 So penguins are fighting for us. They're fighting vampires in Peru. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.320 In Peru, the Pacific coastline is home to the Humboldt penguins. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.000 These are little guys. They're only about thirteen pounds or 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.640 six kilograms, so you know, chihuahua sized. They are, Yes, Yeah, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.800 they're very cute. They're black and white with a cute 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:57.400 little strap of black that circles their white tummies. I 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.479 love that. This is maybe my favorite fact of the 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.679 whole up. In Peru, they are called pajaro nino, which 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:08.640 means baby bird, because they waddle like little toddlers. They 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.920 just like wattle water like a little toddler, little baby. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.680 Oh isn't that every penguin. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:19.479 Sorry, it is every penguin blanket statement, Yeah, it is 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.760 every penguin. But these, you know, I mean, these ones 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.400 are in Peru, and so the locals do call them 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.960 pajaro nino's baby birds because of the water. Yeah, but 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:33.040 there are actual baby baby birds. Like the adult penguins 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.880 look like cute little babies, but they come even smaller 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.480 when they are actual babies. And in the southern coastline 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:44.039 of Peru, actual baby humble penguins have to deal with 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.800 the relentless attacks of vampires, you know, kid problem. Yeah. 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.520 I'm just waiting for you, Okay, yeah, what and you 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.760 keep saying vampires and I can't wait to know what 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:53.200 you mean. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.839 I mean, the common vampire bat it is. Uh, we've 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.560 actually we talked about vampire bats on the show. I 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.560 do love vampire bats. I do not want to vilify them. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:09.880 They are typically not very dangerous except for spreading disease. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:15.080 They do sometimes carry disease. They can carry rabies. It's rare, 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.640 but it can happen. They really don't pose a threat 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.400 to humans other than the very occasional spread of rabies. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.839 But baby penguin is much more vulnerable to a vampire 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.719 pat bat because it is so small and so feeding 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.680 on them can weaken them, it can spread disease. So 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.760 this is not it's not ideal for the baby penguin. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.880 Of course not. I mean, you know, it's I can't 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:41.520 believe it. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.960 Well, I think that these little penguins guys pick themselves 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.000 up by their bootstraps, right, like, they can't be expecting 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.040 handouts to help them with their vampire problem. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.279 Sure, I guess there's not a like a neighboring town 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.120 marching in with the fiery torches trying to expel the 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.080 vampires from the penguin land. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.640 I would like to see an angry penguin mob like 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:11.680 with pitchforks and torches. But they're waddling very slowly. 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.600 Yeah, they're just lighting the whole town. On fire accidentally 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:17.560 with their wattle. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:23.680 Falling over dropping torches. Yeah, so the parents of these 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:27.800 baby penguins are not happy when the little vampire bats 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.000 do try to drink their blood, and so to defend 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.840 their chicks from vampires, the penguins shoot poop at them. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.520 We've come to the poop section. Yes, yes, yes, it's true. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.200 They shoot a bit of a poop cannon situation. The 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:46.400 poop is meant to frighten and distract the bats. They 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.160 will also kick dirt in the bats' faces, which is 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:54.200 classic like bully movie, like movie bully moves, just kicking 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:54.960 dirt in your face. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:56.920 Yeah, one of those classic. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:03.400 Nerd stop drinking my baby's blood, nerd Uh dirt. They 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.520 do also scream at them, so it's a calm. It's 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.160 kind of a they're a triple threat. They're pooping, they're screaming, 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.800 and they're kicking dirt at these little bets. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.760 Wow, I'd get out of there. That sounds awful. Someone 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.239 poops that you kick start and the screams in your face, 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:18.880 I'm out of there. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.960 It's a subtle indication that you're not welcome, I think. 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:23.880 Yeah, real subtle. 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:33.120 So they have definitely mastered the poop Ninjitsu. They are 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:37.320 able to projectile poop over three feet away, which is 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:41.160 over a meter of distance that they're getting to see 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.640 a meter of air on their poop. I look, I 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.200 don't want to make this like a contest, but I 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.439 don't think I could do that. I think it would 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.600 require some very severe food poisoning to make that even 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.160 you know, remotely possible. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.040 Yeah I could. I certainly could never. But you know what, 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.280 as I have a large fear of speaking on my 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.880 own poop. But if I could do that, maybe I 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:09.000 would talk about it more. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.280 I think it would be impressive enough that you'd have 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.080 to You would have to share that, have to tell everyone. 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.920 It would be selfish of you to hide that talent, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.720 you know. Yeah, I wonder how much, Like because the 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:27.040 Guinness Book of World Records, like I don't read it, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:28.920 you know, Like I think I read it once when 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.000 I was a kid, and you know it's because like, ah. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.040 Look that's more than everyone. Yeah, no one's read it. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:34.360 No one. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:35.760 You just kind of flip through it. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.679 I okay, so I did flip through it. There was 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.840 the guy with a bunch of snails on his face. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:45.760 There's the lady with the really long fingernails. There's got 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.839 to be poop stuff though I don't remember it, and 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.800 maybe they'd maybe they're trying to be a classy organization, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:57.439 but like longest long distance pooping seems like it should 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:58.160 be a record. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.160 Yeah, someone's done it and has called Guinness and been like, 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.040 do you want this? I just did this. Do you 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:09.680 want this for your book? They're like no, please, yeah, 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:10.800 please lose our number. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.839 No yeah, I see. So that's that's why I never 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.880 got into the Guinness Book of World Records noted so 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.480 uh oh it was you. Well, what can I say? 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:26.240 I do admire these penguins the and as do scientists, 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:31.360 apparently because they have been studied. The humble penguin shooting 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:36.520 ability has been researched by Professor Hiroyuki Tajima's lab at 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:40.920 the Department of Natural Science at Kochi University in Japan. Uh. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:46.520 They created one of the best diagrams in the history 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:52.239 of scientific papers. It's incredible. I've sent it to you, Kimya. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.960 It's I love this so much, and like this is 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.800 literally from their research paper. This is not edited. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:05.280 This Yeah, it's uh, it's really good. I I bet 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.719 that we have the same favorite part, which is that 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.319 he looks like he's sweating. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.280 Yeah, they put sweat. They put a little sweat indicators. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.560 So it's a cartoon penguin, very simple, basically, just an 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:21.239 oval with some triangles on it, and uh, the coloration 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.880 that in an eye so that you can see it 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:29.040 as appears he has three little sweat What would you 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:34.160 call those sweat droplets to indicate streets droplets? Yes, sweat. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:39.679 It is to kind of pictorially indicate effort. And then 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:44.320 a whole bunch of numbers and like a box that's 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.800 sort of in the I would say the butt region 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.800 like the bowel area region that I would reach it. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.360 I would also say that we concur on that, and 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.680 so it is. And then there's some math, so I'm 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:03.600 not yeah math person who does or understands math, I 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:08.040 stay the hell away from it. So it does appear 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:12.640 to be an equation that is calculating the pressure of 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:18.880 certain substances that would occur within this area inside the 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.640 penguin that would be forced out of a small aperture 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.679 that is known in birds as the cloaca. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.120 That's lovely that they put this to illustrate I'm assuming 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.040 a lot of good scientific text is nearby, and then 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.040 just this silly little clip art photo. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:43.800 It's fantastic, It is so fantastic. They did calculate some 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.839 They did some calculation. I'll link to the research paper 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.880 in the show notes, so you if you're out there 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:51.800 and you're like, oh, I really do want to see 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.599 the equations that they use to calculate the amount of 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.880 pressure this poop is under in these penguins, you can 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.400 look at that to your heart's content, you little freaks. 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.920 But you know what, you freaks can actually apply this 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.360 to your own bodies and perhaps finally make it into 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.880 the Guinness Book of World Records. Final can do the 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.520 math and do this in your own body. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.360 And I thought you're heroes, and I thought math had 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.920 no practical application. I scoffed it. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.240 Wow, we found it. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.480 We found it. I use for math. 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:23.080 Uh. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.520 So they are able to indeed shoot their poop with 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:32.080 enormous amounts of pressure, apparently surprising amounts of pressure. It's 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.280 in some kind of unit of measurement that frankly means 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:40.800 nothing to me. But the I'll just say that the 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:45.000 study authors said they were surprised at the amount of pressure. Yeah, 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.240 that it was more than they expected would come out 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.600 of this little penguin, which is interesting. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.520 Probably like a paintball gun, you know, yeah, I think 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.760 that wouldn't hurt so much, but then you're left with 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.120 a bruise. Yeah, just bruising These vampire bats. Yeah, they're 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.040 paintball poop. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.319 And that must suck. I also read that it does 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.360 sometimes get on the chicks, right, because they're like, they're 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.480 they're just kind of rat tat tatten at those vampire bats. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.280 So there's gonna be some friendly fine. 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.400 How well can you aim backwards? Right? 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.560 Exactly exactly. It's hard. It's like, you know, it's like 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.800 that that thing where it's like gene Kelly had to dance, 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.720 but then what's her name had to dance backwards and heels. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.400 It's shooting poop backwards, and as a penguin, it's different 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:35.800 heels and heels. Yeah. But so the reason they are 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.720 able to expel feces at such a velocity is that 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.080 they they roost in nesting areas. So if they're all 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.960 pooping kind of like in the nests, it's gonna get 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.360 real stinky, real quick. And they don't want that. They 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.560 do like to have a clean nesting site. So it 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.920 is speculated that this high velocity pooping was meant to 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:00.880 keep their nesting areas clean. But it can be used 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.120 in dire circumstances as a weapon, and so then they 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.960 will shoot it at predators, at anything trying to steal 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.600 their eggs or hassle their chicks, including these vampire bats. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.440 So I would like to see a version of Van 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.320 Helsing where he does poop at Dracula. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:28.560 I think you're onto something. What Hollywood needs this? Yeah, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.760 don't we? What do we? They said the movies are dead? 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:33.360 Wait till they see this. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.400 Well, Disney loves an animal sidekick. They shoehorn in an 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:41.560 animal sidekick wherever they can, you know, So like I think, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.480 like I think that this would be good for a 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:48.600 Van Helsing Disney movie version where it's like Van Helsing 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.760 and his adorable penguin sidekick and they go vampire hunting 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.880 together as a team. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.160 That's perfect. Disney hasn't tackled the Dracula tales yet, but 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.360 you know they do all other classic novels. Why haven't they. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.480 Let's not come in on a Dracula. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:08.360 The Adam Sandler one. That's just that's not Disney. The 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:13.920 Transylvania Hotel with the goth girl and Shaggy from Scooby 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:19.080 Doo That that's that's not Yeah. No, Disney hasn't really 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.320 touched the whole vampire thing. Cowards. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:22.880 I think something. 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.560 Yeah, we've because we've done hot sexy vampires a lot. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.520 Like we've done a lot of hot sexy vampires, but 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:35.000 we haven't done like vampires that get pooped. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.920 On, pooped on, Yeah, pooped done va. We haven't done 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.640 pooped on. Yeah, we've done. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.560 Yeah. I think I think it's time. I do think 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.200 it's time. Well, Uh, with that, we're gonna take a 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.840 really quick break and when we come back, it's more 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.760 poop folks, not gonna lie to you, it's just it's 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.640 gonna be more pooped. So if you don't like it, 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.720 I'm sorry. It's just the whole episode is. So we'll 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:07.720 be right back. So we're back, Kim yo, how do 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:12.880 you How do you feel about snakes? Uh? 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:17.359 I'm actually okay about snakes. I know a lot of 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.520 people are just generally freaked by them. Yeah, I heard 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.560 it has something to do with how our human biology 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.040 and brain doesn't get how a snake moves because it's 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.760 just one slithery muscle, So you're just kind of freaked 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.560 out by the mystery of that thing existing. And maybe 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.840 it's an inherent natural fear we have of them. But 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:39.960 I'm cool with them. I think they're cool. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.199 I agree, I'm cool with them. I like them. They 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.439 do move in a way that's a little ooky, but 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.919 I find that interesting and cool. We also, it is 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:55.119 true that we have an instinctive reaction to snakes. We 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.199 also have it too spiders. There's some theories that this 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.840 is kind of like a natural instinct that we have 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.520 where basically, there are snakes that are venomous and so 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.720 avoiding them is good for us for our health. But 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.960 there are plenty of snakes who are not venomous and 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.280 pose absolutely no risk to us. And one of these 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:20.120 snakes is the dice snake in North Macedonia. Uh. They 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:26.440 are uh not killers except to fish and on the 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.400 on the stage, they're really killing it on the stage. Kimya, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:34.119 what these snakes are? These snakes are method actors. They're 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:39.000 the Daniel day Lewis is, They're the Woking Phomix that's 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:39.640 not his name. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.080 Walking phoenixxis. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.520 Quoqum femips. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.680 That's one of the snake's stage names. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:55.760 Yeah. Yeah, uh so they do you say dice snake, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.840 dice snake, Yes, exactly like. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.879 The wow so like dice, like. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.920 Like gambling, Yes, like snake eyes. I didn't even think 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.960 of that, Jeu, look at that. I'm really, I really 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.239 am the frame dead that I did not. I did 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:10.120 not think about that. 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.359 It was just not even a jump, just a bit 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.480 of a step to the side. 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.480 And yet I and yet I found myself incapable. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.480 Uh, that's okay, I'm here, thank you, thank you, buddy. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.480 So, yeah, these are sweet snakes. They're olive green, they 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.960 are non venomous, and they eat fish. So they're essentially 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:34.640 just kiddy cats but tubes, little cat tubes. Uh. And 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.240 so given that they don't have venom, they rely instead 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:42.199 on their incredible acting skills. Can you relate to this, Kimmia. 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.880 Uh No, because when I'm put in danger, I don't 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.600 think to access my acting skills. I just cower and cry. 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.359 So no, not relatable. Good for them, though, you know. 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.080 In a way, you are also like these snakes because 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.880 the thing that they do in their acting is that 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.520 they play dead and they really really really commit to 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:11.159 it in a way that is impressive. They go completely limp. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.280 They will sometimes excrete blood out of their mouths and 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.880 they pup themselves. 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:23.959 Oh man, yeah, you know, he's what a way to 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:24.439 do that. 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.399 There, it's there. The thing is kemya that dignity doesn't 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.480 mean anything if you're dead. So if you're a snake, 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:38.000 you know, and it's between continuing on being a snake 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:43.040 versus maybe pooping yourself. You gotta choose pooping yourself every time. 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:46.960 I guess when you put it that way, it makes 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:47.720 a lot of sense. 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.560 It's very convincing, isn't it. So these snakes are hunted 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:56.400 mainly by birds of prey raptors, and so they have 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.680 developed the strategy because it's interesting because this playing dead 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.600 thing does seem to work against predators. You would think 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.040 that the predator would be like, ah, sick, they did 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:10.080 my job for them. But actually predators, when an animal 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.760 like suddenly goes limp or plays dead, it can freak 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.320 them out because a lot of predators maybe are not scavengers. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.000 They don't necessarily want to eat something that's already dead, 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.720 particularly if something is like seems to have died in 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:29.439 a way that is not good and yes, gross, like 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.440 pooping themselves, getting musk all over themselves, blood coming out 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.040 of their mouths. They're like, ah, this thing, there's something 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:39.840 wrong with you. You're not. Yeah, It's like if your 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:43.879 Hamburger started screaming, it'd be like, oh, well, goodness, I 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:51.520 wasn't expecting that. Yeah, so's yeah, so I do. Okay. 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:57.359 I love researchers, and I love biology researchers and their 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.840 wacky zany experiments. It is so weird what we do 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:06.600 to animals, though, Like sometimes these studies are It's not 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:11.240 I wouldn't call this cruel. It's just it's just strange. 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.600 It's people playing around with limp snakes. So this study is. 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.680 Say less, Yeah, that's strange, right. 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.760 A study called Synergistic effects of musking and autohimorrhaging on 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:28.280 the duration of death, fading and dice snakes, which is 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:33.760 kind of a way of saying the effects of snakes 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:39.920 poopen and bleeding while they're method acting. This was conducted 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.119 at the University of Belgrade. This is reported in the 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.800 New York Times. Asher Elbein did it write up about it. 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:51.040 But this study found that dice snakes seemed to try 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.239 to optimize the amount of time they spent pretending to 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.880 be dead, because there's a there's a trade off there 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:01.320 in terms of like evolutionary strategy. If you dead when 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.400 you're caught, that might give you some more time as 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.760 the predators like wait, what happened just now? But sometimes 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.080 the predators is gonna be like, great, this is a 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.320 lot easier to eat now, and we'll try to chomp 0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:16.840 down on you. So being able to minimize the amount 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:20.239 of time you're playing dead while maximizing the effect of 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:24.040 shocking the predator and then being able to then get 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.679 away once you're done playing dead is sort of the 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:32.000 goal there. And so they found that the snakes that 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:36.280 would poop themselves generally spent less time playing dead. So 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.639 the ideas that pooping themselves is a strategy that is 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:44.800 more likely to offend the predator and turn them off 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:49.200 of the whole the whole idea of eating them got it. 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.960