1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff, a production of iHeart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, Lauren Vogelbaum here. For the past fifty two years, 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: teacher and diversity trainer Jane Elliott has been stirring up 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: trouble on the subject of racism. It can still be 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: uncomfortable to squirm in your seat, stare at your shoes, 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: uncomfortable when she subjects someone to the very same exercise 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: she first unleashed on third graders more than half a 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: century ago, but designed to expose racist thinking. Something her 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: method can get downright mean. But again, the subject is racism, 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: it should be troubling. Elliott came to prominence when, the 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: day after the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: In she, herself a white woman, took her classroom of 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: all white third graders in Riceville, Iowa, and decided to 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: teach them what it was like to face discrimination. She 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: separated the kids into two groups, those with brown eyes 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: and those with blue and proceeded to proclaim the brown 17 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: eyes the superior group. She allowed the group extra privileges, 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: more time at recess seats at the front of the room. 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: They were told they were cleaner, smarter, more talented, how 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: the children reacted to this newfound pecking order was startling. 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: The brown eyed group immediately began to wield their dominance. 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: The blue eyes almost immediately slipped into the role of subordinates. 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Anger flared disputes popped up after switching roles a few 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: days later, which gave both sides of the classroom a 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: taste of being in the lesser group. The exercise ended. 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Many parents complained after reading about what had happened in 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: Elliott's classroom through student essays printed in the local paper. 28 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: A month or so later, Johnny Carson invited Elliott to 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: appear on his late night talk show. She became a 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: national story. Many praised her efforts at opening her students eyes, 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: but not everybody. A two five stories Maisonian magazine reported 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: hundreds of viewers wrote letters saying Elliot's work appalled them. 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: How dare you try this cruel experiment out on white children? 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: One said, Black children grow up accustomed to such behavior, 35 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: but white children, there's no way they could possibly understand it. 36 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: It's cruel to white children and will cause them great 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: psychological damage. Elliott spoke with us for the article that 38 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: this episode is based on from her home in Iowa. 39 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: She said, you think that's traumatizing, try living that way 40 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: for a lifetime. Elliott taught for years before she decided 41 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: to take her anti racism lesson out of the classroom 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 1: and into corporate America. She's also led the exercise for 43 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: the U. S Department of Education and other governmental groups. 44 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: She's appeared before numerous church and school assemblies. She was 45 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: on Oprah Winfrey's TV show several times. In June, she 46 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: appeared on The Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon. She often 47 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: faces uncomfortable and sometimes angry reactions, but her goal, as 48 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: it has been for the past fifty two years, is education. 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: She says it's the best weapon against racism, but good 50 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: education about racism and race is hard to find. Elliott 51 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: said that's because the educators believed the same thing that 52 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: they were taught, and they were taught the same thing 53 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: that I was, which is that there are three or 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: four different races, and you can tell what a man's 55 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: intelligence is by the color of his skin or the 56 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: shape of his head. You can't lead people out of 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: ignorance if you're still teaching. The Columbus discovered America, and 58 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: we came here to civilize these savages. We need to 59 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: teach the three rs of rights, respect, and responsibility. If 60 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: teachers would respect the rights of those students to learn 61 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: the truth and be held responsible for seeing that they 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: present them with the truth, we could kill racism in 63 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: two generations. There's not a doubt in my mind that 64 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: that could be done. Elliott, at eight seven years old, 65 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: has seen America grapple with racism all her life. She's 66 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: marked major mile posts in the struggle over the past 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: fifty years or so, the Civil rights movement and the 68 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: assassination of Dr King in the sixties. The race. It's 69 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: in Miami's Liberty City in eight and in Los Angeles 70 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: after Rodney King beating in the protests, in Ferguson, Missouri, 71 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: in after the killing of Michael Brown, and in Baltimore, 72 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: Maryland after that of Freddy Gray, and in Charleston, South 73 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: Carolina that same year after a church massacre. There are 74 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: many others, but the problem she has been relentlessly attacking, 75 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: Elliott says, goes far beyond the occasional race based flora. 76 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: For people of color in the United States, facing down 77 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: racism is an everyday fight, every minute of every day 78 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: Elliott said, it's only been going on with me for 79 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: fifty two years. I know black women who have been 80 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: doing this for eighty nine years, and their mothers did, 81 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: and their grandmothers did, and their great grandmothers did, and 82 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: their daughters and their granddaughters and their great granddaughters are 83 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: going to have to do it unless we get off 84 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: our polly unsaturated fatty acids and do something about this. 85 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: I get paid to talk about it. They aren't even 86 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: allowed to talk about out it. One of the biggest 87 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: hurdles in educating people about racism in the United States, 88 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: Elliott says, is that most everyone knows it exists and 89 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: knows that it's harmful, but few are motivated to change it. 90 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: She has stood in front of classes and asked who 91 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: among the white people in the room would want to 92 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: switch places with the black person. No one ever volunteers. 93 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: She cautions that recognizing the problem is only the first step, 94 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: but Elliott is nothing if not persistent. She says she'll 95 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: continue to educate for the next fifty years. She'll push 96 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: her mantra of one race. The science behind the simple 97 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: words is clear. According to the National Human Genome Research Institute, 98 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: your genome the body's blueprint that contains all of your 99 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: DNA is nine percent the same as every human around you, 100 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: And she says she will urge people to get out 101 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: and vote this November and hope of electing leaders who 102 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: will attack racism as she has head on m. Today's 103 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: episode was written by John Donovan and produced by Tyler 104 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: clay Or. More on this and lots of other topics. 105 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: Is it how stuffworks dot com. 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