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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew in the Lab time right now.

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Speaker 2: Drew, John, good to be with you. We appreciate you listening,

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Speaker 2: watching whatever you're doing. And John, how are you?

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Speaker 3: First of all, okay hanging in there?

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Speaker 4: It's uh, I don't know. It's late in March. I

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Speaker 4: know that, and I'm knee deep.

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Speaker 3: I think last night I was watching a safety.

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Speaker 4: From Ohio State, like midnight, trying to get because I

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Speaker 4: had I had made a point. I was doing a

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Speaker 4: certain number of players. He was the last player that

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Speaker 4: day and it just took me.

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Speaker 3: On into midnight.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if he wrote players or what

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Speaker 2: were you doing.

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Speaker 3: It just happened to be that player. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why I was. Josh Proctor from out Ohio State.

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Speaker 4: Really, you know, good athlete, you know, excellent build and

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Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff, But you know it might

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Speaker 4: be a guy that Texas could look at.

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Speaker 5: On date.

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Speaker 4: You'll add to the special teams and bolster the safety

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Speaker 4: the safety depth chart, if you will, But your free

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Speaker 4: agency has done plenty of that bolstering depth chart, so

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Speaker 4: we'll see kind of how all that, how all that goes.

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Speaker 4: But Man, a lot of news happening with the Texans.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start there. You brought up special teams. Special

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Speaker 2: teams is getting impacted externally in a huge way because

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Speaker 2: of the new kickoff rule. And basically it's the new

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Speaker 2: XFL or it's the XFL kickoff rule, which have you

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Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it. There's basically two lines facing

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Speaker 2: each other, and they're really really close on the kickoff,

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Speaker 2: the receiving teams into the field, and you can you

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Speaker 2: don't have to boom it as far and as hard

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Speaker 2: you can if you want, but if you kick it

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Speaker 2: out of bounds, you give them a touch back at

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Speaker 2: the thirty. But what this does is it probably eliminates

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Speaker 2: any more Andrew Beck kickoff returns for a score, which

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Speaker 2: I just tweeted, So we're not gonna see Andrew Beck

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Speaker 2: getting loose like you did. But I think it's probably

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Speaker 2: gonna make things a little bit more exciting on kickoff

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Speaker 2: returns because it's almost more like an offensive play really,

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Speaker 2: because you can kind of scheme some blocking schemes up

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Speaker 2: that are a little different and so on and so forth,

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Speaker 2: and you can speak even better to this, but I'm

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Speaker 2: cool with this. It's I'm a little sad I won't

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Speaker 2: see the old kickoff. But this will be kind of interesting,

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Speaker 2: don't you think?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, interesting is definitely the word. And I'm not

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Speaker 4: totally sure.

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Speaker 5: Way too much in this this forum, but it's not

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Speaker 5: work for this.

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Speaker 4: This one's kind of like a you know, doghead turn

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Speaker 4: when when he or she sees something like it's kind

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Speaker 4: of like that, like, okay, let's see. And the reason

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Speaker 4: that's interesting to me is how teams are going to

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Speaker 4: attack this. Are they gonna treat I mean, because the

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Speaker 4: players are so close the you know, the defenders and

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Speaker 4: the blockers are so close. I've seen some XFL teams

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Speaker 3: And I would imagine that when Frank.

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Speaker 4: Ross first heard of this possibly happening, he sat down

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Speaker 4: and started doodling and watching XFL film. You know what

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Speaker 4: what did good teams with excuse me, what teams with returners?

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Speaker 3: What did they do?

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Speaker 4: And you're right, it does eliminate Andrew Becks sort of return,

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Speaker 4: so we'll always have Andrew Beck and Jacksonville to play.

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Speaker 3: That I think turned the season around in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: But what it also does is it brings back the

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Speaker 4: return into the game because in all honesty and college football,

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Speaker 4: there are very few returns now because of the fair

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Speaker 5: We want to I don't like that. I don't like

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we had that last year in

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Speaker 4: the NFL, and I'll never forget, like second game of

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Speaker 4: a fair catch and I just remember my heart dropping,

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Speaker 4: like what, oh yeah, okay, And I thought it was

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Speaker 3: So I hated that rule too.

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Speaker 4: But you're not you don't have as many returns in

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm curious to see now how NFL teams will

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Speaker 4: What does this bring back in that particular position, because

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Speaker 4: that used to be of value, Like I would put

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Speaker 3: Hey, this guy's got kicking punt returnability. Dry.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I put that in many scotting

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Speaker 4: reports that I've done thus far, and I've done almost

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Speaker 4: probably two and two hundred and fifteen reports. I don't

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Speaker 4: know that I've put in there. Oh yeah, punt and

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Speaker 4: three running back you want back there, a guy that

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Speaker 4: the Damian Pierce theory. Like last year, Damie catch the ball. Now,

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Speaker 4: a guy that's got good return skills. You know, does

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Speaker 4: this increase the value of a guy like Devin Dubernator

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Speaker 3: I'm really curious.

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Speaker 4: Keishaw Nixon is one of the better return guys with

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Speaker 4: the Packers and so what does what does that bring

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it doesn't open things up. Maybe he needs

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So I'm curious how teams are going to how they're

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Speaker 4: come up from a creative standpoint. So I guess the

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Speaker 4: next one now is what happens with the outside kick?

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Speaker 4: Are they gonna give teams? I know one of the teams,

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Speaker 4: I can't remember which one. It was proposed the fourth

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Speaker 3: I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, I love that rule. I love

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the scariest things I've ever been a

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Speaker 2: Man that oh you're saying, okay, so yeah, you're saying

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Speaker 2: when you're a you wise player, yeah, oh.

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Speaker 3: I hated outside kick. I hated it as a coach,

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Speaker 3: I hated it as a player, hated it.

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Speaker 4: So I like the opportunity to go get the ball

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Speaker 4: again and outside kick, but you put in that fourth

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Speaker 4: get kind of worked out. But you know, the first

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Speaker 4: so we'll find out right away.

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Speaker 2: Wait what Yeah, if you didn't hear the Pro Football

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame game, the Texans are going to be

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Speaker 2: because Andre Johnson going to the Hall of Fame, he

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Speaker 2: in as well as Mango. Steve McMichael, that guy. If

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Speaker 2: look up Steve McMichael character with a capital C. He

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Speaker 2: Then he went into the WWE. He was a wrestler,

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Speaker 2: got a great he's always got like the good personality

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Speaker 2: and good perspective on things.

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Speaker 5: When you see the interviews.

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Speaker 2: Sadly he's fighting Luke Griggs's disease, but he goes in

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Speaker 2: as well as Julius Pepper's played played with the Bears

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Speaker 2: for a few years, so with three former Bears, a Texan,

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Speaker 2: and the Texans haven't been in it since two thousand

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Speaker 2: they have four preseason games as opposed to just three.

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Speaker 2: Don't know how much we'll see if the starter's probably

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Speaker 2: not much because it's so very early in August, but nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: first bit of football we'll include the Texans and that's

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Speaker 2: not a bad thing. It's on Thursday night football. I

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Speaker 2: can't wait, You can't wait. It's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun. John, It's gonna be a great weekend because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a pretty pretty awesome situation.

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Speaker 4: And you know, looking forward, I've never been to the

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Speaker 4: looking forward to that so so much se Andre going in.

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Speaker 4: You know, the game itself will you know, are always

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Speaker 4: it gives us a chance, it kind of work the

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Speaker 4: kinks out, It does move everything up. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: that will change things a little bit, kind of changes things,

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Speaker 4: you know for us having to do you know, Monday

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Speaker 4: But look, I think a lot of people are really

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Speaker 4: last year, it was last year the Ravens. I think

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Speaker 4: a look a lot of rookies are going to get

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Speaker 4: some looks, and you know you're gonna face the Bears

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Speaker 4: It's just an opportunity to, you know, get some younger

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Speaker 4: guys the opportunity to scrimmage against, you know, a Bears team.

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Speaker 4: And I would hope that Matt Ebriflus and Demi Cool

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Speaker 3: You know, here's what we're doing.

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Speaker 4: And so you don't get a situation where you know,

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Speaker 3: The Bears are like, no, we're all in ones. Here

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Speaker 3: we go. So either way, hopefully they'll get that worked out.

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Speaker 4: But either way, I I don't mind it.

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Speaker 3: I'm very In fact, I called for it.

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Speaker 5: Awesome town, USA. All right, let's kick in to this.

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Speaker 5: I was running mock draft simulation.

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Speaker 3: And there might be a few, you know, down the road.

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Speaker 3: Know, like we talked about a few times, things have changed.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just not.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's always fun talking with you. We'll get

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Speaker 2: into much more, but in between now and then, enjoy

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Speaker 2: your Easter, John, Yes, see hippitty hops and brings you

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Speaker 2: some nice jelly beans and Reese's peanut butter cup eggs.

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Speaker 5: Son.

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Speaker 4: Good, yep, Eastern is gonna be a big day, big day,

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Speaker 4: big big day, all right?

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Speaker 3: Remember Breaking Bad? One of the best scenes of Breaking

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Speaker 3: Bad last season.

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Speaker 5: I never saw Breaking Bad. I've seen a few seasons,

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Speaker 4: If you know, Walter White likes his breakfast with a

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Speaker 2: So we'll see, all right, John, always good to be

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