1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George, and are 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: with you back with Maureen Sieberg's book is fearfully and 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: wonderfully made and her website is linked up at Coast 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 2: tocoastam dot com. Maureen, who are some of the most 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: talented sensors out there? Right now? 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: There is a woman in Scotland named Joy Known. She's 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: a retired nurse and grandmother and she's working with scientists 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: to identify Parkinson's disease, COVID cancer, tuberculosis all through the 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: sense of smell. 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: Geez. 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: She is a super smeller who can detect these things. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 2: We've heard that some hospitals have had cats who can 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: sense cancer and they kind of cuddle up with the 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: victim and they know something's wrong. 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: Yes, dogs too, but people to and you know, Joy 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: explained it to me this way, the back of our neck, 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: running down to the middle of our back. There's a 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: lot of sebum there, like an oily secretion. She calls 20 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: it a sink and she says so many cents on 21 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 3: people are right there if we would only pay attention. 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: And the way her abilities came to the fore is 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 3: her husband started to smell differently to her, and at 24 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: first she thought it was his long hours as an anesthesiologist, 25 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: but even freshly showered, he smelled off. He smelled musky. 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: Six years later, he developed Parkinson's disease, and she started 27 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: going to support group meetings for families and noticed that 28 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: the people there smelled the same as her husband had. 29 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: So she started to raise awareness among researchers. Thankfully they 30 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: listened to her, and do you know, George, Thanks to her, 31 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: there's now a swab test, a skin swab test for Parkinson's, 32 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: and doctors can diagnose it ten years earlier than be four. 33 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: That's incredible, it really is, And isn't it such an 34 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 3: elegant solution. A woman who just can smell and loved 35 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: her husband and cared what happened to him. 36 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: Can you enhance these senses, Maureen? 37 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely? So. What's really interesting is the senses are plastic, 38 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: and unlike other forms of abilities like intelligence, they can 39 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 3: be learned and grown. And in the last chapter of 40 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: the book, called Vivify your Senses, I walk people through 41 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: ten clear and enjoyable steps on how to expand your 42 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: senses and they include things like simply practice. Joy Milne, 43 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 3: the grandmother who can smell Parkinson's says, smell everything twice. 44 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: Just doing that will enhance your sense of smell. Another 45 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: step I have is expect all these new sensory potentials 46 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: proven by science should change our mindset about our own abilities. 47 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: And simply expecting these things in oneself and not denying 48 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: them and acknowledging them and using the abilities will open 49 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: you up even more. 50 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: Is science beginning to look at this, Yes. 51 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: Very much so, And you know it's not. It is 52 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: a renaissance, but it's not really declared or cohesive yet. 53 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: Everyone is doing things out in their separate labs. But 54 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: if you take a bird's eye view of it and 55 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: talk to all of them, the things we're learning are 56 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 3: just astonishing. For example, the eyes being able to see 57 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: at the level of a single photon. So that work 58 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: was done in twenty sixteen here in New York City 59 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 3: at Rockefeller University and George. The implications of this are 60 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: even greater than being able to see something that tiny 61 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: with your naked eye, because the next steps are they 62 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: are going to see if humans can see entanglement and 63 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 3: superposition with the naked eye. 64 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: What is that? 65 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 3: So we can see photons? Right? We can see the 66 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: smallest aspect of light, an atom of light. Can we 67 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: see the activities of physics theorized by the greats in 68 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: the past. Can we see two photons entangled with each 69 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: other or in superposition with each other? Or are we 70 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: going to see something completely different and rewrite the book 71 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: on physics? 72 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: Fact I need readers now to see close up. 73 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: You and me both. But you know what's interesting, George, 74 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: the gentlemen, they were all men who were studied so far. 75 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: They're going to bring women in in later rounds. It 76 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 3: wasn't intentional, but one wore glasses one war contact lenses 77 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: and they were still able to see this. So what 78 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: they did was put their subjects in what is called 79 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 3: the scotopic room. It's darker than dark and they were 80 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: in head braces so their eyes couldn't move at all, 81 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: and they were given a buzzer and a new machine 82 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: they invented, shot single photons across the room and they 83 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: hit the buzzer if they thought they saw it, and 84 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: they did. Even the folks wearing contact London. 85 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: Now, if they saw this, tell me the significance of 86 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: being able to do this, it. 87 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: Means that we can actually see the fabric of things. 88 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 3: That our eyes are so powerful, we are seeing an 89 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 3: atom of light. 90 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: Wow, what about hearing and stuff like that? 91 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: Hearing is actually our most wide ranging sense. We can 92 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: hear from twenty hurts to twenty thousand herts. So it's 93 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: like the base of a nice stereo that the kind 94 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 3: of sound that moves your pant leg at a concert, 95 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: or the buzz of a mosquito. And these sound waves 96 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 3: that we can pick up are also minuscule. They are 97 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: smaller than the diameter of an atom. There is no 98 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: machine on earth who can match us. 99 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: Didn't the lake Marilyn Monroe have some kind of ability? 100 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: Yes, So that was my and my professor's discovery. At 101 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: the Norman Mailer writer's colony, I was up there writing 102 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: my first book about synesthesia, and my professor called me 103 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: and said, you have to pick up Norman Mahler's biography 104 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: of Marilyn Monroe. And I did. I ran out and 105 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: got it right away and called him back and he's like, 106 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: this page, this page, Look what he says about her 107 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: and her first husband actually described her as a cynisthete. 108 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: When asked what that is. 109 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so she has bonus senses. And the way he 110 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: described it was she was like a lover of rock 111 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: who sees vibrations when they hear the sound. And later 112 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: I found Monaverey Miracle, who is Marilyn's surviving niece, and 113 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: was able to ask her about it, and she said, 114 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: not only was Marilyn Monroea sinisty, but she is two 115 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: And it runs in families. 116 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: There are lots of them. You say, Billy Joel was one. 117 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: Yes, Billy Joel has such a vivid case of its. 118 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: He he sees beautiful, colorful forms in the air when 119 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 3: he's composing music. 120 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: And you say, I'm one. 121 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 3: Yes. Well, the last time I was on the show, 122 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 3: we got into a bit and it a bit, and 123 00:08:54,760 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: you realized that you associate color with numbers, which is beautiful. 124 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: Really, I don't know how I do that or why, 125 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: but I do. 126 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, George, they say, we're all born 127 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 3: that way. Isn't that interesting? And for some of us 128 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 3: four percent of us, like you and me, this pruning 129 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: doesn't happen in the brain as it's growing, So all 130 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: infants experience the world this way. But we continue to 131 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 3: and I wonder, George, if you have superabilities that go 132 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 3: in with that, Like do you do you have a 133 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: very sensitive nose or palette? I know your hearing is 134 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: extraordinary because you're very particular about sound. 135 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: I really never thought about the other things. Yeah, and 136 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: sometimes when it's natural, you don't realize that. 137 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Isn't it interesting how we don't talk about these 138 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 3: things because they're very personal, But it turns out they're 139 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: key to so much. I mean, look what joy milk 140 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: can do, and she can smell covid. Would you like 141 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: to know what covid smells like? I'm not the other way. 142 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 143 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 3: It smells like apple cider plus infection. 144 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: That's not a very nice smell. 145 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: No, it's not. So we should be aware of that. 146 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 3: And there's a lot more about that in the book. 147 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: What about people who sense death on other people death? Death? 148 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: You know, it's so intuitive that you brought that up 149 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: because I was going to mention it next. A woman 150 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 3: wrote to me today who had just read the book. 151 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: The book came out yesterday. She read it the first 152 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: day and she said, Maureen, I have to tell you 153 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: before my dad got sick and died with hang freatic cancer. 154 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: He smelled so different to me, and it really touched 155 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: my heart that she shared that with me. And maybe 156 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 3: this is a conversation we should all be having around 157 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: dinner tables and in the top laboratories in the world. 158 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: If we sense something is off in a loved one 159 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: or in ourselves, we have to speak up because our equipment, 160 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: of my mentor Bill Burschell likes to say, humans are 161 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: soft tech, excuse me, soft tissue, high technology. Our built 162 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 3: in equipment is so much stronger than other animals and machines. 163 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: And I believe the universe did that for a reason, 164 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: and we're not using it yet, and we need. 165 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: To What about people again who have these abilities? And 166 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: it's not just sensing through smell or stuff like that, 167 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: but you can see auras or somebody who doesn't have 168 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: an or like Edgar Casey had that ability. 169 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: Yes, so it's interesting because or a seeing, according to 170 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 3: doctor Jamie Ward in the UK, is a form of synesthesia. 171 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: So now they can look at these things in as 172 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 3: MRI machines and know that people aren't just being outlandish 173 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 3: or seeking attention, that these are actual human abilities. 174 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: It's very powerful, isn't it. 175 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: It is it is. And you know, for some reason, George, 176 00:12:52,600 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: we're meant, we're We're conditioned to think that we're not special, 177 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 3: that there's nothing extraordinary about being a human, even our 178 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: valorization of other animals over ourselves. Like humans are so 179 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: fond of talking about an eagle's vision right or a 180 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: hound's ability to follow a trail. But we are all 181 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: these things and more. And I'm so excited to think 182 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: about a human future where we are the. 183 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 2: Technology, we could be artificial intelligence all by ourselves. 184 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: We are, My goodness, it came from our minds, didn't it. 185 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: There must be a reason for that, because it's the 186 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: way we work. 187 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: If people have these abilities, what do you recommend they 188 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: do to make it work for themselves? 189 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 3: Well, there are ways to protect these abilities. So there 190 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: are two things I recommend. In my last chapter, I 191 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 3: talk about escaping the wonderful Synisy. Steve Roach is an 192 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: Academy excuse me, a Grammy nominated composer, and he tells 193 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: me in the book, you know, we have to have 194 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: a sound diet in the way we are careful about 195 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: what we eat. So there are good sensory things in 196 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: the world, and there are bad sensory things like noise, 197 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: for example, And it's a good idea to get away 198 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 3: from it all and meditate in silence to protect your 199 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: senses and enhance them. And another thing, George, this blew 200 00:14:53,000 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: my mind. There's an EPA study from the nineties. It 201 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: was a study that was done because of sick building syndrome, 202 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: but it applies here too. North Americans and Europeans are 203 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 3: spending more than ninety percent of their lives indoors. Isn't 204 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: that amazing? And it's very bad for our senses. Because 205 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: my counterpoint is these scientists looked at hunter gatherers living 206 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: in Malaysia, and I know that's very different than the 207 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: way most of us live, but it's a stunning contrast. 208 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: The folks they studied there, living out of doors, could 209 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: identify many more colors than we can, could identify many 210 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: more scents than we could. So here we are in 211 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: our cubicles and our airtight houses. Right, just the senses 212 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 3: are just atrophying. We should be outdoors more. So. The 213 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: two things in answer to your question that I think 214 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: people can do for themselves is spend a lot more 215 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: time outdoors. And when it becomes when life becomes overstimulating, 216 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: particularly with noise. Go somewhere quiet, turn out the lights. 217 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 218 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot 219 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: com for more