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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The horrific moment an allegedly drunk driver smashes into a

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Speaker 2: nail salon, killing four, all caught on video. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: A drunk driver plowed through the glass doors of a

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Speaker 3: crowded nail salon at seventy eight miles per hour, killing

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Speaker 3: four and leaving nine injured.

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Speaker 2: You know, so often at trials I would have defense

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Speaker 2: attorneys actually say to a jury, where's the video.

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Speaker 1: They can't prove this happened.

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Speaker 2: They can't prove that, Let's just say this confession ever happened.

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Speaker 2: They can't prove the cops didn't beat the guy into

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Speaker 2: a confession. But guess what there is video?

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Speaker 4: What good?

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Speaker 1: What exactly happened?

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Speaker 5: Listen shocking video released of the moments leading up to

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Speaker 5: a devastating crash that claimed four lives at a nail

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Speaker 5: salon on Long Island. The horrific footage appears to show

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Speaker 5: the X Marine visibly disheveled buying liquor before getting behind

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Speaker 5: the wheel of his suv and allegedly turning his vehicle

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Speaker 5: into a deadly battering ram.

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Speaker 1: The alleged killer.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, as far as I can tell,

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Speaker 2: he's actually wobbling as he walks into the liquor store,

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Speaker 2: this before plowing through a glass window, killing four injuring

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Speaker 2: nine others.

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Speaker 1: Take a look at this video. The crash is oh cool.

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Speaker 2: Well, everybody running out onto the sidewalk to see what happened. PS,

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Speaker 2: it's my understanding. To Lauren Conlin, joining US investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: and host of Primetime Crime on YouTube, it's my understanding.

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Speaker 2: It's estimated he was going seventy eight miles an hour

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Speaker 2: in a parking lot.

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Speaker 6: You're correct, Nancy, he was going seventy eight miles per

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Speaker 6: hour when he crashed clean through the Hawaii nail salon,

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Speaker 6: killing four people and injuring nine others, including a twelve

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Speaker 6: year old child.

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Speaker 2: Terrifying new footage showing a drunk ex marine narrowly missing

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Speaker 2: pedestrians on the sidewalk before plowing through a glass window,

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Speaker 2: killing four, including a lady cop.

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Speaker 1: A lady cop off duty.

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now.

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Speaker 7: But first listen inside Hawaii nail spa. Four people are dead,

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Speaker 7: nine others injured, some very seriously. One of those killed

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Speaker 7: is NYPD officer Amelia Rennack. The thirty year old was

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Speaker 7: assigned to the one hundred and second Precinct in Queens,

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Speaker 7: where her husband, Karl Rennick, is a detective. The Renax

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Speaker 7: were a month away from celebrating their one year anniversary.

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Speaker 7: Amelia Rennick was getting her nails done for a friend's

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Speaker 7: upcoming wedding, again.

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel, but first again to

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Speaker 2: Lauren Colin joining us in that's again a reporter, Lauren,

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Speaker 2: what happened?

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Speaker 6: The ex unemployed marine hit that liquor store at eleven

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Speaker 6: am and he bought two pints of Long Island iced tea.

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Speaker 6: And this was after he drank eighteen beers the night before.

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Speaker 6: This is what he told law enforcement after the fact.

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Speaker 6: So around four forty pm is when you see that

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Speaker 6: video footage of him speeding through that strip mall parking lot,

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Speaker 6: which is a large parking lot, and he went seventy

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Speaker 6: eight miles per hour and went clean through that nail salon,

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Speaker 6: actually dragging the four vit underneath his.

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Speaker 2: Cart, oh, dragging them inside and the al salon and

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Speaker 2: Fyi A Long Island iced tea is known for high

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Speaker 2: alcohol content made with vodka, tequila, gin rum, Triple Sick,

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Speaker 2: and lemon jeeves vodka, tequila, gin rum.

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Speaker 1: And triple sick.

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Speaker 2: Okay, um, it's usually topped off with a refreshing hint

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Speaker 2: of cola and complementary spirits deliciously intermingled. Of course, I

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Speaker 2: was reading that part. Deliciously intermingled. Okay, you know what

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Speaker 2: this guy did? You say two pints, two pints of

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Speaker 2: Long Island iced tea.

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Speaker 8: I did say that two pints.

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Speaker 6: They're three hundred and seventy five milliliters, so that's two pints.

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Speaker 2: Joining me Erica Lynn, the MAD national Ambassador MAD Mothers

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Speaker 2: against driving, Erica, does.

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Speaker 1: It ever end? You know, Nancy, that is a great question.

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Speaker 9: We are facing a public health and safety crisis on

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Speaker 9: our roadways today like never before. But before I continue

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Speaker 9: to address that on behalf of MAD, I want to

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Speaker 9: send our deepest condolences and support to the victims that

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Speaker 9: have been affected by this senseless, violent, one hundred percent

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Speaker 9: preventable crime. You know, there are so many parts of

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Speaker 9: this story that remind me of what happened to myself

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Speaker 9: when my parents were killed in October of twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 9: You know, there is a whole misconception that these drunk

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Speaker 9: driving crashes happen after a night of binging in a bar.

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Speaker 9: I could tell you that they're happening every thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: Seconds in this country. That's astounding to me.

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Speaker 9: And my parents' killer drank a bottle of Jack Daniels

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Speaker 9: at home, got in her vehicle, drove to a bar,

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Speaker 9: had two Vodkas, two buybacks. When she stumbled out of

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Speaker 9: threw them sixty feet into a wooded area. Like this case,

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Speaker 9: there was also pedestrians on the street that had to

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Speaker 9: run out of the way or he would have hit

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Speaker 9: them as well. She would have hit them as well.

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Speaker 9: And sadly, probably most sadly, this woman was on her

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Speaker 9: way to pick up her three, five and seven year

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Speaker 9: that my parents were the ones that stopped them from dying.

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Speaker 9: She hit them my parents before she got to her children,

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Speaker 9: or I am sure her children would not be alive today.

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Speaker 2: You know, Ericalynne ad national ambassador very often, and I've

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Speaker 2: seen this happen over and over and over. Now this

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Speaker 2: is anecdotal, in other words, an anecdote a story.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a statistic to back it up.

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Speaker 2: Probably be too hard to gather this type of statistic.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people wouldn't want to admit to it.

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Speaker 2: But I watched many, many, ten years and before that

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Speaker 2: three years. Is a FED in a very very highly

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Speaker 2: concentrated area where we would have literally thousands of cases

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Speaker 2: a year each prosecutor. Vehicular homicides, which they're euphemistically called

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Speaker 2: drunk driving murders, is what I call them. But vehicular

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Speaker 2: hobicides are often plaid down. You don't get life behind

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Speaker 2: bars for a vehicular homicide that doesn't happen. Why Because

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Speaker 2: to me, this is a drunk driving murder. People argue, well,

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Speaker 2: they were drunk, they didn't know what they were doing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, two pints of Long Island te. You

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Speaker 1: know that. And make sure I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: I said, vodka Jen triple sick. You know what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: You know when you get your car key out, you

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Speaker 1: It in reverse and put it in drive and go

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Speaker 1: out on the road. You know that each one.

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Speaker 2: Each one of those acts shows intent intent to drive drunk.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, why don't we earbrush it?

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Speaker 9: You know, it's a great question because it is a

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Speaker 9: deliberate decision to get behind a wheel. And you know,

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Speaker 9: I remember my father teaching me how to drive and

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Speaker 9: saying to me, Erica, you're getting into a four thousand

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Speaker 9: pound weapon. And you know, I wish, Nancy, that every

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Speaker 9: single person could watch this video that you just presented

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Speaker 9: of this vehicle going into the nail salon.

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Speaker 1: It's horrifying, it is.

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Speaker 9: It causes the most devastating consequences to everyone's life that's

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Speaker 9: affected by this. And you know, the one thing that

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Speaker 9: you could never get over. You can never get over

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Speaker 9: the fact that they all should still be here. This

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Speaker 9: is not a natural death, and it's one hundred percent preventable.

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Speaker 9: That's why it's going to take all of us together

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Speaker 9: as a community to make sure that we are consciously

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Speaker 9: making an effort to put it into impaired driving.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Eric.

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Speaker 2: Kalynn, you're the mad national ambassador. When you think about

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Speaker 2: so many of the drunk driving murder victims that you

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Speaker 2: have studied, or you think about your parents, they are

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Speaker 2: no less dead because their killer was completely drunk at

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Speaker 2: the time they died. Just I feel that drunk drivers

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Speaker 2: that commit homicides are treated differently.

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Speaker 1: They're plaied down.

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Speaker 2: And it's just the lady that you're talking about that

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Speaker 2: killed your parents. She sounds like a young mom, and

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Speaker 2: it's really a wolf in sheep's clothing because you see

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Speaker 2: this soccer mom walking in with her children, coming into court,

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Speaker 2: and it's hard to believe she killed two people.

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Speaker 9: And for that, Nancy, she got four to twelve years

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Speaker 9: And my problem with that is they come back out

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Speaker 9: a murder charge in here, and the grand jury's decision

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Speaker 9: to indict on murder charges sends an extremely powerful message

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Speaker 9: that drunk driving is a violent crime and it's not

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Speaker 9: going to be tolerated anymore. Two out of three people

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Speaker 9: are affected by drunk driving in their lifetimes. We have

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Speaker 9: the tools to stop this and we must stop it

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Speaker 9: because every day I get notices about more and more victims,

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Speaker 9: and I know their struggle is going to be life

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Speaker 9: if they didn't pass, they have horrific life altering.

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Speaker 1: Injuries that last a lifetime.

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Speaker 9: So this is this is a crisis on our roadways

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Speaker 2: In the last days, horrifying new video emerging of the

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Speaker 2: moments leading up to this devastating crash.

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Speaker 1: Now look at this.

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Speaker 2: You see the alleged per Stephen Schwally, visibly disheveled buying

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Speaker 2: more alcohol at a local liquor store before he goes

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Speaker 2: on a deadly rampage. Lauren Colin, is my understanding that

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Speaker 2: this was his second trip in one day to the

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Speaker 6: Correct, This was his second trip in one day. You

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Speaker 6: can see at the time stamp it's eleven o'clock at

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Speaker 6: that time, and he returns because this liquor store is

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Speaker 6: right behind the nail salon, so that's why he was returning.

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Speaker 8: I'm assuming at four forty that.

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Speaker 10: Day, suspect Stephen Schwally had a blood alcohol count of

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Speaker 3: More than double the legal limit.

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Speaker 1: What exactly happened?

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Speaker 7: Lesson making his regular liquor store purchase of two bottles

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Speaker 7: of forty two proof Long Island Tea, Steven Schwally spends

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Speaker 7: the next five hours drinking his Long Island Tea and

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Speaker 7: driving around Suffoc County in his twenty twenty Chevy Traverse.

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Speaker 7: At four thirty two pm, Shwally arrives back where he

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Speaker 7: started at Stans Liquor Store. Only this time he comes

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Speaker 7: barreling through an intersection, running a red light at a

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Speaker 7: navigating an empty parking spot, hitting a curb, and slamming

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Speaker 7: into the front window of WAYI Nail and Spa next

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Speaker 7: door to Stans Liquor Store.

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Speaker 1: Good gravy.

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Speaker 2: That was our friend, Davemack at crime online dot com,

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Speaker 2: Hold on just a moment. I've got to dissect each sentence,

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Speaker 2: because each sentence is very is highly probative. In other words,

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Speaker 2: it proves something at trial. Joining me is Ben Powers,

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Speaker 2: high profile criminal defense attorney, and you can find them

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Speaker 2: online at legalpowers dot com. But first to Joseph Trembley,

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Speaker 2: Principal Engineer, Accident Reconstructionist at VERA Tech Consulting Engineering Vera

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Speaker 2: techeng dot com Vera Tech. Joseph Trembley, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. Joe, can we analyze what I just heard?

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Speaker 2: that up. You know, I'm a teach oler. Joe Shwally

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Speaker 1: Around Suffolk County. Why it is Chevy Traverse.

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Speaker 2: Four point thirty two pm, he arrives back where he

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Speaker 2: the front window of Hawaii Nil and Spa, right next

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Speaker 2: question for Ben Powers to oh trembling analyze what forensic

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Speaker 11: Thanks for pointing that out. We have a couple of

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Speaker 11: The second piece of information that was probably even more

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Speaker 11: that suggests to me that he was actually cognizant and

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Speaker 1: I've got to dissect what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: You're saying he is steering as he's driving. You know what,

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Speaker 2: that's actually really important, holds your thoughts shoe to Ben

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Speaker 1: Ben Many argue that.

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Speaker 2: Voluntary consumption of drugs or alcohol, somehow lessons your degree

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Speaker 2: of culpability. Know under our law, voluntary use of drugs

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Speaker 1: It's not a defense. Now. Some may argue he didn't

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Speaker 2: He knew enough, as Joe Trembley from vera tech who

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Speaker 1: Accidents, this isn't an accident, this is a crash, he says.

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Speaker 2: Enough was cognizant enough to steer, he knew his way

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Speaker 1: That would suggest he was not commatized.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't passed out behind the wheel, which adds to

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Speaker 4: So with regard to this case specifically, it's a little

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Speaker 4: for the other individuals that were in the spa that

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Speaker 4: is across the crosswalk, and then he does, unfortunately thread

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Speaker 4: arguably a second degree murder case. And he could have

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Speaker 4: a zero point zero zero VAC and it would be

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Speaker 4: the same.

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Speaker 2: You use the phraseology he could thread the needle.

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Speaker 1: What did you mean by that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean is the type of control that took

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Speaker 4: either of those vehicles, none of this happens, but he's

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Speaker 4: if I was the prosecutor, I would be arguing that

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Speaker 4: tragic consequences. Because vehicular homicide, if it's a DUI, is

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Speaker 4: lean towards he's already impaired when we see him in

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Speaker 3: He should never be bailed out. He should never get

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Speaker 3: out of jail, says the brother of gen Ki Chen,

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Speaker 1: I'ven't gotten to tell you about him.

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Speaker 2: The four murdered victims are the owner of the salon,

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Speaker 2: She is going to have multiple surgeries to look forward to.

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Speaker 2: The off duty lady cop and the others just trying

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Speaker 2: MAD National Ambassador Erica. These people, several of them running

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Speaker 2: out clutching their bags, multiple bags of liquor. They don't

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Speaker 2: go help, They run to their car. I just wondered

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Speaker 2: if so, why, I honestly think they were in shock.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you have to underunderstand that these crashes happened

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 9: And the other thing is they may not have thought

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Speaker 9: the word unintentional, because we have defined that this is

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Speaker 9: intentional because you got behind a wheel. But they may

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Speaker 9: have thought it was some kind of act of terrorism

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Speaker 9: you're right, and you know, and I believe that's the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, you could be right.

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Speaker 2: My line producer insists that it's because they all have

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Speaker 2: find out. I tend to believe you are correct. The

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Speaker 2: one guy was not clutching liquor. The other people were,

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Speaker 2: and they made a run for it. They wanted to

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Speaker 7: Listen to this, the twenty twenty Chevrolet Reverse being driven

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Speaker 7: by Stephen Schwally, crashes through the front window of Hawaii

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Speaker 7: Nail and Spa at about seventy eight miles per hour.

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Speaker 7: Four people are dragged under the vehicle, while nine others

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Speaker 7: that somebody's flying everywhere. The suv has finally stopped when

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Speaker 2: To Joseph Trimbley, principal engineer accio reconstructionist at Veritech, how

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Speaker 1: How can I prove he was going seventy eight miles

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Speaker 2: And you'd have thought that bumping over that curve would

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Speaker 11: You know, that's a great point. The speed is something

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Speaker 11: no way to do an accurate reconstruction based on the

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Speaker 11: building damage. Unfortunately, there's just too much, too much glass

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Speaker 11: that reason, they're probably going off of that black box data.

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Speaker 2: And there's certainly no skin marks. That's something you often

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Speaker 12: What about that, Joe, if you didn't have this this

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Speaker 12: suggest right there is that because we have no skid marks,

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Speaker 12: we have no braking and he's just entering this building

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Speaker 11: That means he's making no attempt to stop. He's not

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Speaker 11: as we said, he's threading the needle between two other vehicles,

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Speaker 5: This is not the first time Stephen Schwally has been

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Speaker 5: charged with driving while intoxicated. In twenty thirteen, Schwally slammed

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Speaker 5: of accident. Shwally pleaded guilty and was sentenced to three

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Speaker 5: one prior DUI, claiming to have driven his brother to

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Speaker 2: National Ambassador for Mother's Dad ISNK driving mad Is is

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Speaker 2: joining us Erica Lynn Erica. Isn't that just so typical

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Speaker 2: of vehicular homicides, as I say, drunk driving murders. If

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Speaker 2: you check carefully, you will find out that they have

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Speaker 2: had multiple DUIs in this one, including leaving the scene.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very very true, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: There is a very much a lack of.

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Speaker 1: A lack of.

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Speaker 9: Commitment to their acts, which is horrifying. That's number one.

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Speaker 9: But the amount of times that they drive drunk before

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Speaker 9: they get caught is average of eighty times. Just think

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Speaker 9: of that statistic. Eighty times before somebody is caught.

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Speaker 1: I've got to let that sink in.

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Speaker 9: It takes an average of eighty times a person drives

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Speaker 2: Eighty times before they're finally caught with a du Why

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Speaker 2: much less of vehicular homicide guys as promised special guests

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Speaker 2: at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Dodger Kendall crowns,

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Speaker 2: we haven't even gotten to talk about the victims.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 7: Forty one year old Yanzu and fifty year old Maisie

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Speaker 7: Jang both worked at Hawaii Nail and Spa, and both

443
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Speaker 7: were killed in the crash. Yanzhu's family is seeking for

444
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Speaker 7: help in a fundraiser on gofund me to raise money

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Speaker 7: for the care of her elderly father and her twelve

446
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 7: year old son, who has polio. Relatives are reminding people

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Speaker 7: that with the salon destroyed and their loved ones killed

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Speaker 7: or injured, these families will be struggling for some time

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Speaker 7: to come.

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Speaker 2: Dear Lord in Heaven, one parent dad, the other injured,

451
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Speaker 2: the child has polio and more.

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Speaker 7: Kenny Chen, the manager of Hawaii Nail and Spa, is

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Speaker 7: among the four killed when the suv crashes through the

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Speaker 7: salon in nearly eighty miles an hour. Chen's wife is

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Speaker 7: also at the salon at the time. She's critically injured.

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Speaker 7: She's already had one surgery with more to come. Doctor

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Speaker 7: say her recovery will take at least two years. The

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Speaker 7: Chens have two children, ages ten and five, and with

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Speaker 7: their father dead and their mother facing multiple surgery and

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Speaker 7: years of recovery. Go fund me a set up by

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Speaker 7: a nephew who says, with the salon their only source

462
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Speaker 7: of income, Kenny chendad his wife critically injured, they don't

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Speaker 7: know where to turn for help.

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Speaker 2: To doctor Kendall Crowns, I'm just so relieved that you

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Speaker 2: are so calm, methodical and impartial objective when you perform

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Speaker 2: these autopsies, because when I think about the dad dead,

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Speaker 2: the mom facing all these surgeries, and they had this

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Speaker 2: little boy to raise. The other person has a child,

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Speaker 2: had a child with polio for Pete's sake, and now

470
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Speaker 2: that parent is gone. Doctor Kendle Crowns, you heard that

471
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Speaker 2: the bodies actually flew through the air. Describe what happened

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Speaker 2: to the human body when this guy plowed into that

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Speaker 2: nail salon.

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Speaker 13: So with a vehicle going in at that high rate

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Speaker 13: of speed, when they hit the individuals, the speed will

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Speaker 13: transfer into the bodies and then they will continue flying

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Speaker 13: after that, after the car stops. What you'll see internally

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Speaker 13: is you'll see a lot of fractured bones. The organs

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Speaker 13: will actually explode or be lacerated by the force of

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Speaker 13: the car if it hits them at the right angle.

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Speaker 13: You'll see limbs torn off and even decapitations as well. So,

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Speaker 13: usually high rates of speed from vehicles hitting the body,

483
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Speaker 13: there's a tremendous amount of damage done to the body

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Speaker 13: that even the body can be severed in half.

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Speaker 2: You know, as I'm listening to you describe on what

486
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Speaker 2: has happened to the bodies, there is a stark dichotomy

487
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Speaker 2: a comparison to this.

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Speaker 1: Listen, we just.

489
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Speaker 2: Had the far day separation party mobol.

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Speaker 8: We're both singing and dreaming.

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Speaker 1: Together with for a video and then with such a

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Speaker 1: happy family.

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Speaker 10: No, it's all.

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Speaker 2: That is the brother of Kimmy Chen Stephen speaking. That's

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Speaker 2: some of our friends and on Twitter at w I

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Speaker 2: N N we just had a birthday celebration party. We

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Speaker 2: were both singing and dreaming together, we record a video

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Speaker 2: and have such a happy family. Now it's all gone.

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Speaker 2: It's all gone, and the brother breaks down weeping, weeping,

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Speaker 2: and there's so much more to doctor Kindle Crown's how

501
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Speaker 2: do you keep your head on straight when you hear

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Speaker 2: the victims' families grow men crying over what has happened?

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Speaker 2: And the last thing I want to hear is anyone

504
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: defending this guy claiming, well he's the next Marine. Well,

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Speaker 2: I doubt the Marines are proud of this moment, So

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Speaker 2: don't use them to shroud what you have done. Dodger

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Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns could how long could these victims have lived

508
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Speaker 2: after being plowed down by this guy? To do experience

509
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Speaker 2: the fear and the pain of what happened.

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Speaker 13: It's if they have crushing injuries of the head or

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Speaker 13: their spinal cor gets severed, they may die quite rapidly

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Speaker 13: or on pun impact. If they have an injury that

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Speaker 13: doesn't necessarily involve their head, they could survive for a

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00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 13: matter of minutes or even longer. If they are crushed

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Speaker 13: underneath the vehicle and are just kind of pinned in

516
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Speaker 13: place with not their chest or like their pelvic region,

517
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Speaker 13: they could be living underneath that vehicle for several minutes

518
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Speaker 13: until they either bleed out or die from asphyxiation being crushed.

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars on the looking at some of the victims,

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00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: they are so beautiful. There is the lady cop who

521
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: lost her life. That's Amelia Rennick about to celebrate her

522
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: one year anniversary married to NYPD Detective Carl Rennick. Then

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Speaker 2: you had Gian Kai Chen that was the salon co owner.

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Speaker 2: Then you had Jenny Shoe, an employee forty one. You

525
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: had Maisie Jong another employee just trying to make a living,

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Speaker 2: trying to make a living at a Neilson.

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Speaker 1: Look how pretty, oh.

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Speaker 2: One leaves behind a child with polio, one leaves behind

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Speaker 2: two minor children to be raised.

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Speaker 1: Without a parent.

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Speaker 2: Just you know, Ben Powers, how do you somehow lessen

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Speaker 2: that when you're arguing a case like this to a jury.

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Speaker 4: So it doesn't devalue their lives that have been lost

534
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Speaker 4: to argue what is legally appropriate. And so if I'm

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Speaker 4: on the defense side, I'm pointing to the BAC. I'm

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Speaker 4: pointing to the fact that he's driving the car like

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Speaker 4: it's a boat, just leaning left, leaning right, just kind

538
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Speaker 4: of meandering down the road, and pointing to the fact

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Speaker 4: that he never applied to break he was going to

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Speaker 4: a high rate of speed, and he gave very olid

541
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Speaker 4: responses after the fact, like give me my license back,

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Speaker 4: I've done nothing wrong, you know. Point to all those

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Speaker 4: various facts to say this is a dui. It's a

544
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Speaker 4: tragic dui, but it's a dui nonetheless that had tragic consequences.

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Speaker 4: This is not second degree murder. And so my fixation

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Speaker 4: when I'm making those types of arguments is on the

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Speaker 4: law and what is appropriate under the law, because the

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Speaker 4: vehicular homicide still holds him accountable for his actions of

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Speaker 4: taking these lives, and that's the more appropriate charge the

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Speaker 4: defense arguing that. Now, obviously, if on the proscuer side,

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Speaker 4: I'm arguing a second degree because of all the reasons

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Speaker 4: I'll point out earlier, But neither way devalues the lives

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Speaker 4: they've been lost.

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Speaker 3: Schwally purchased two three hundred and seventy five milliliter Long

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Speaker 3: Island iced tea bottles the morning of the crash. The

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Speaker 3: bottles found empty by investigators after the crash.

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Speaker 2: Even now, I don't know we're getting the whole truth.

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Speaker 2: He had a BAC blood alcohol content of point one seven,

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Speaker 2: the legal limit. I don't even think there should be

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Speaker 2: illegal limit. Why should you drive after you'd been drinking

561
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Speaker 2: at all? But the legal limit is point zero. Eight

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Speaker 2: point one point seven would be over double the legal limit.

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Speaker 2: And apparently they didn't notice him wobbling in, and apparently

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Speaker 2: this was his second trip. He had already had those

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Speaker 2: eighteen beers. What about doctor Kendle Crowns. My question is

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Speaker 2: if by the time he was tested he was point

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Speaker 2: one seven, I'm sure time had passed, would the blood

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Speaker 2: alcohol level have dissipated.

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Speaker 13: So every hour you don't drink, your blood alcohol level

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00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 13: will go down point oh two. So, but if you

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Speaker 13: continue to drink, your blood alcohol level will not go

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Speaker 13: down and will continue to go up. So each bottle

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Speaker 13: of beer, glass of wine, or shot of whiskey will

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Speaker 13: raise your blood alcohol level point oh two.

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Speaker 2: Question Lauren Colin joining us I co host of Prime

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Speaker 2: Time Crime on YouTube. Lauren, was he Schwally the driver

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Speaker 2: injured at all?

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Speaker 8: No, he was barely injured. And isn't that how it

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Speaker 8: always happens.

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Speaker 6: The driver is always okay, and he killed everybody in

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Speaker 6: his path. So no, he was completely fine. You can

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Speaker 6: see the scratches on his face. I mean he went

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Speaker 6: into amazing Yeah, into port with a wheelchair. Maybe that

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Speaker 6: was for a effect, but no, he was fine, you know.

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Speaker 2: To Joseph Chimbley, engineer, actual reconstructionist at Vitech, Joe, how

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Speaker 2: many times have you handled a vehicular homicide reconstructing and

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Speaker 2: all the victims die and the drunk driver lives.

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Speaker 11: It's incredible. It seems like it happens every time. There

589
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Speaker 11: could be a severe impact, maybe even a head on

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Speaker 11: collision between two vehicles, and for some reason, the drunk

591
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Speaker 11: driver is able to escape with minimal injuries.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible, Joe. I've seen it over and over. I

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Speaker 1: have no explanation. They didn't teach me that in law school.

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Speaker 2: So to Erica Lynn, who is a victim of drunk driving,

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Speaker 2: both of her parents died at the hands of a

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Speaker 2: drunk driver like a soccer mom Erica. As someone who

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Speaker 2: has been through this, what is your message today?

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Speaker 9: My message is that, first of all, I'm devastated for

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Speaker 9: these families. I really am, because I know their journey

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Speaker 9: ahead and they don't even know what's coming down. They're

601
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Speaker 9: going to have a criminal child, likely a civil trial

602
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 9: against the bar that served him.

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Speaker 1: And you're right that they are not injured.

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Speaker 9: They never get injured, and there's a reason for it,

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Speaker 9: I believe, and I believe they're so loose from the

606
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Speaker 9: amount of alcohol in their bodies that they're not bracing

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Speaker 9: their bodies for impact, and that's why they do survive.

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Speaker 2: I heard that theory many times before.

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Speaker 9: I had the unfortunate example of my father taking his

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Speaker 9: last breaths while the offender was in the next room

611
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 9: screaming profanities, and that was.

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Speaker 1: Very, very difficult to hear.

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Speaker 9: But I want to offer some hope, Okay, I really

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00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 9: do want to offer hope.

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Speaker 1: We at MAD.

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Speaker 9: I was part of the National Board of Directors for

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Speaker 9: MAD when we passed in twenty twenty one the Halt Act,

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Speaker 9: which is passive technology installed in vehicles that will stop

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Speaker 9: the vehicle if impairment is detected.

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Speaker 1: And moves the car off the road.

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Speaker 9: This is going to be implemented, we hope, by twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty six, and it will save ten thousand lives a year,

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Speaker 9: which is significant.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it is frustrating for.

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Speaker 9: Me as a victim, as an advocate, as Matt's national ambassador,

626
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Speaker 9: to hear of these crimes that are preventable, because I

627
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Speaker 9: will tell you I will never get over it.

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Speaker 1: I will never.

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Speaker 9: I've turned my pain into power and I will fight

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Speaker 9: till the day I die to make sure that this

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Speaker 9: doesn't happen to anybody else who is a horrible, horrible

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Speaker 9: thing to have to live with.

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Speaker 2: Erica Lynn with us from Mothers Against Drunk Driving. She

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Speaker 2: is the national ambassador. And now you see why we

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Speaker 2: wait as justice unfold. Fancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend

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