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Speaker 1: Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We got lots, just said.

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Speaker 3: We got lots to save.

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Speaker 4: Becker here and we.

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Speaker 3: Hope you say because we got lost to.

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Speaker 2: Say, yeah we got lost, just say Here's that.

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Speaker 5: We have two individually of our very close friends on

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Speaker 5: this show, which is pretty cool. So Kevin O'Connell, head

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Speaker 5: coach of the Minnesota Vikings, will be up for a

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Speaker 5: few minutes, who not only was your teammate, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: you guys are super close, right that it's super cool.

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Speaker 5: I gotta spend some time with them with us tagging

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Speaker 5: along with you. And then this weekend on ESPN there's

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Speaker 5: the Pickleball Slam and we'll talk to Andy Roddick, the

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Speaker 5: former number one US Open champion. He's on later in

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Speaker 5: the show, and him and I been super close. He

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Speaker 5: a fun episode for that. He was why I went

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Speaker 5: So he'd come in for just a couple of months

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Speaker 5: You want to go to Miami tomorrow. We went and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, drew crazy game. That was the game.

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Speaker 5: I think about the game with this kid with that

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Speaker 5: the Patriots lose to the Giants. The one that you were.

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Speaker 4: Not No, that was after we lost in two thousand

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Speaker 4: and seven. That next one was what two thousand and eleven, twelve,

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Speaker 3: Don't know years something like that. Yeah, I don't know years.

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Speaker 5: Give me one moment, because again, by the time people

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Speaker 5: hear is analysis on a game that happened three days ago.

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Speaker 5: Give me one moment or takeaway from the game or

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Speaker 5: and then I'll do the same.

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Speaker 4: One takeaway from the game. I mean, when you watch

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Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, he never got comfortable. I think it was

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Speaker 4: I mean anytime you're a quarterback and your sense of

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Speaker 4: and you're feeling that. And that's exactly what happened. They

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Speaker 4: the collection of people and talents and also legends of

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Speaker 4: the game is always fun, but it's also those relationships

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Speaker 3: That's cool. Yeah, did you know mcvadel.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know that McVeigh.

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Speaker 4: I've met him before, but on that type of level

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Speaker 4: where we're just kind of hanging out, he's a great dude.

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Speaker 4: And the energy that you see like in his interviews

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Speaker 5: You're so much more normal of a human and like

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Speaker 5: Because before I give my one or two things, I

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Speaker 3: So we.

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Speaker 3: So we go.

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Speaker 5: I immediately I feel uncomfortable in my own skin all

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Speaker 5: You're like, this is Bill Belichick, and I'm not Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 3: So I escaped. In like twenty minutes. I text you.

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Speaker 3: Then I think that's you.

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Speaker 6: Did I know?

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Speaker 3: I feel in the way I didn't just smoke.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm bothersome nobody wants me around. I

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Speaker 5: cool of you to just go. I'm going to go

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, is that really how you view yourself? Obviously,

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Speaker 5: And then I didn't even text you until I got

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Speaker 5: And again to your credit of being like and I'm

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Speaker 6: You're like, okay, enough about me, help me.

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Speaker 3: I just disappear. So I appreciate the love that you

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Speaker 5: I just am not really able to be loved very

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Speaker 3: In general, that the thing was cool, the event was cool.

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Speaker 3: The thing one of the takeaways was how massive Whitworth was.

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Speaker 6: Dude, I thought the same thing.

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Speaker 3: I've talked.

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Speaker 5: I've talked to him on Zoom, I've had him, I

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Speaker 5: Dude, that's a d a warm presence.

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Speaker 5: But he was a gladiator two hundred years ago that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he either quit or he got his freedom. He

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Speaker 3: It was that to me. That's what I think of

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Speaker 3: And again, a lot of people are big, a lot

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Speaker 5: My current takeaway is I feel bad for the AFC

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Speaker 5: And I think the difference is if the Chiefs would

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Speaker 4: I think that that's a big takeaway from that game.

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Speaker 5: It's going to get ugly because I think he when

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Speaker 5: It's going to be ugly for the AFC. Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 5: before we get them on what kind of guys.

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Speaker 4: He incredible person And it starts with person and then

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Speaker 6: You're amazing. But his messaging is.

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Speaker 4: So crystal clear, and I'm just happy for him because

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Speaker 3: So, Kevin O'Connell, we want to break and go to him?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 7: All right?

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Speaker 5: Here he is the head coach of the Minnesota Biking

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Speaker 3: That's super cool. Former teammate of yours who was first?

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Speaker 4: I was first, He was the young buck. It was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you still liked each other.

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Speaker 3: Here he is Minnesota Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 4: All right, right now we've got a good friend of mine,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe first applause of the whole show here.

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Speaker 6: What did that mean to you?

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Speaker 4: But does it have special meaning to you? Like, what's

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's pretty simple, Matt. If you ain't first your lasts,

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Speaker 7: And now it's about no longer worrying about an individual

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Speaker 5: Gigantic elephant, let me just pet the elephant. What's up

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Speaker 3: It's a perfect question.

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Speaker 3: This is what I do when people ask me.

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Speaker 7: then we've got an offensive system that I believe wholeheartedly in.

438
00:20:40,136 --> 00:20:42,776
Speaker 7: As we continue to improve it and improve it, it's

439
00:20:42,896 --> 00:20:45,936
Speaker 7: always going to be centered around the quarterback position, and

440
00:20:45,975 --> 00:20:50,455
Speaker 7: how do we help those guys have production, build confidence,

441
00:20:50,495 --> 00:20:54,055
Speaker 7: and continue to layer upon the success they have early

442
00:20:54,495 --> 00:20:57,815
Speaker 7: as hopefully it sustains to the end of the season

443
00:20:57,856 --> 00:21:00,656
Speaker 7: and beyond. And I think Sam would be the first

444
00:21:00,696 --> 00:21:04,975
Speaker 7: one to say that he enjoyed his time from the

445
00:21:05,016 --> 00:21:08,256
Speaker 7: moment he arrived here, sitting in my office, laying out

446
00:21:08,256 --> 00:21:12,416
Speaker 7: a plan together collaboratively, so that it was him and

447
00:21:12,455 --> 00:21:14,576
Speaker 7: I every step of the way, with Josh McCown as

448
00:21:14,576 --> 00:21:18,256
Speaker 7: his position coach, Wes Phillips as the coordinator, and most importantly,

449
00:21:18,296 --> 00:21:21,295
Speaker 7: his teammates. But make no mistake about it, Sam Darnold

450
00:21:21,296 --> 00:21:23,896
Speaker 7: deserves the credit for what he was able to accomplish

451
00:21:23,896 --> 00:21:27,096
Speaker 7: this year, and that's why I feel so fortunate to

452
00:21:27,176 --> 00:21:29,656
Speaker 7: have had this time with them, and and we do

453
00:21:29,735 --> 00:21:31,776
Speaker 7: not know what the future holds at this point. That's

454
00:21:31,816 --> 00:21:34,696
Speaker 7: the unique part of the NFL is it's you know,

455
00:21:34,816 --> 00:21:36,616
Speaker 7: things that are the rules are set up in a

456
00:21:36,656 --> 00:21:40,536
Speaker 7: way that that I think helps to contribute to year

457
00:21:40,576 --> 00:21:42,735
Speaker 7: over year. You've got to reinvent yourself as a team.

458
00:21:43,376 --> 00:21:46,735
Speaker 7: That's players, that's coaches, that's front office, that's everybody that

459
00:21:46,856 --> 00:21:50,376
Speaker 7: supports the players. And that's why it's you know, everybody's

460
00:21:50,416 --> 00:21:53,056
Speaker 7: goal as of you know about nine thirty the other night,

461
00:21:54,296 --> 00:21:57,376
Speaker 7: you know, Eastern time, that everybody now feels like it's

462
00:21:57,376 --> 00:21:59,576
Speaker 7: a brand new journey to try to get right that

463
00:21:59,776 --> 00:22:03,535
Speaker 7: to that moment that we saw the Philadelphia Eagles experience.

464
00:22:03,455 --> 00:22:05,696
Speaker 5: Final two questions. You can tell a lot about somebody

465
00:22:05,735 --> 00:22:08,295
Speaker 5: with how somebody talks about him when they're not around.

466
00:22:08,336 --> 00:22:11,535
Speaker 5: And so Matt and I talking about you, and you

467
00:22:11,656 --> 00:22:13,535
Speaker 5: were not there. We hadn't even run into you yet,

468
00:22:13,576 --> 00:22:15,775
Speaker 5: and Matt was talking about just like what kind of

469
00:22:15,856 --> 00:22:17,575
Speaker 5: quality human you were not as a coach yet, he

470
00:22:17,656 --> 00:22:19,535
Speaker 5: was just talking about you being like a guy like

471
00:22:19,576 --> 00:22:23,496
Speaker 5: he trusted that had great values, and he talked about

472
00:22:23,816 --> 00:22:27,535
Speaker 5: the difference in playing alongside you but also then coming

473
00:22:27,536 --> 00:22:30,536
Speaker 5: to see you coach and your communication style and how

474
00:22:30,536 --> 00:22:32,896
Speaker 5: it had to change because you're now a coach, you're

475
00:22:32,936 --> 00:22:35,256
Speaker 5: a leader of men instead of being one of the men.

476
00:22:37,336 --> 00:22:40,336
Speaker 5: What was the learning process like in learning how to

477
00:22:40,336 --> 00:22:43,336
Speaker 5: communicate different as a head coach versus a quarterback.

478
00:22:43,656 --> 00:22:46,416
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think it's a great question, and the only

479
00:22:46,495 --> 00:22:50,376
Speaker 7: real answer to it for me, Bobby, was I learned

480
00:22:50,376 --> 00:22:53,736
Speaker 7: from some really good coaches that you had to authentically

481
00:22:53,776 --> 00:22:56,936
Speaker 7: be yourself first and foremost. And who I am as

482
00:22:56,975 --> 00:23:00,335
Speaker 7: a person is a person that cares about people. I

483
00:23:00,376 --> 00:23:04,455
Speaker 7: care about people. I tried to make sure that every

484
00:23:04,455 --> 00:23:07,136
Speaker 7: interaction I have with folks, whether it's in this building

485
00:23:07,215 --> 00:23:10,336
Speaker 7: and or long before that, I want them to be

486
00:23:10,376 --> 00:23:13,576
Speaker 7: positive interactions. And I want I want people to genuinely think,

487
00:23:14,096 --> 00:23:17,015
Speaker 7: uh that that I'm a good person because it matters

488
00:23:17,016 --> 00:23:19,535
Speaker 7: to me. It matters to me to wake up and

489
00:23:19,576 --> 00:23:22,336
Speaker 7: be that same person every single day. So when you

490
00:23:22,376 --> 00:23:25,735
Speaker 7: get into a leadership role, you better lead in an

491
00:23:25,816 --> 00:23:28,656
Speaker 7: authentic way. So that's what is very natural to me.

492
00:23:28,776 --> 00:23:33,056
Speaker 7: Now there is an element to it where the other

493
00:23:33,136 --> 00:23:37,416
Speaker 7: two factors are being competent in your abilities and and

494
00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:41,096
Speaker 7: and other folks having confidence in you to be the

495
00:23:41,136 --> 00:23:43,136
Speaker 7: guy in front of them. And I put a lot

496
00:23:43,176 --> 00:23:46,495
Speaker 7: of time into you know, how I talk to my team,

497
00:23:46,936 --> 00:23:51,176
Speaker 7: the messaging ultimately, how I want reflections of me amongst

498
00:23:51,176 --> 00:23:54,656
Speaker 7: my coaching staff, and really trying to get guys to

499
00:23:54,816 --> 00:23:57,896
Speaker 7: understand that this is the most competitive, uh, you know,

500
00:23:58,016 --> 00:24:00,456
Speaker 7: industry in the world, The National Football League. I mean

501
00:24:00,536 --> 00:24:04,055
Speaker 7: it is the greatest professional league on the planet because

502
00:24:04,096 --> 00:24:06,575
Speaker 7: I think fans of the fact that it is so

503
00:24:06,735 --> 00:24:11,136
Speaker 7: competitive and it is, you know, a league where your

504
00:24:11,136 --> 00:24:13,776
Speaker 7: best is required on a weekend and week out basis,

505
00:24:14,296 --> 00:24:16,936
Speaker 7: otherwise the results aren't gonna come and and then you've

506
00:24:16,936 --> 00:24:19,336
Speaker 7: got to go back to work and find a path

507
00:24:19,376 --> 00:24:21,696
Speaker 7: to do that. But each and every year, fan bases

508
00:24:21,735 --> 00:24:24,015
Speaker 7: and fans of the NFL know that it's going to

509
00:24:24,056 --> 00:24:26,896
Speaker 7: be exciting. They know, you know, they know what they're

510
00:24:26,936 --> 00:24:28,896
Speaker 7: they're going to get each and every year. But I

511
00:24:28,896 --> 00:24:31,536
Speaker 7: think for us on the leadership side of things, you've

512
00:24:31,536 --> 00:24:33,896
Speaker 7: got to acknowledge that. But then you've got to figure

513
00:24:33,896 --> 00:24:36,576
Speaker 7: out the way you want to operate. Does culture matter?

514
00:24:36,616 --> 00:24:39,735
Speaker 7: And I'm talking real, like real culture, not the stuff

515
00:24:39,735 --> 00:24:41,616
Speaker 7: where there's just a bunch of signs on the wall,

516
00:24:42,016 --> 00:24:44,336
Speaker 7: not the stuff where you you know, you just try

517
00:24:44,376 --> 00:24:48,295
Speaker 7: to you know, you know, live within different sayings and

518
00:24:48,336 --> 00:24:49,856
Speaker 7: things like that. I think that's part of it. And

519
00:24:49,936 --> 00:24:52,656
Speaker 7: if that's authentically the way some people lead, I'm sure

520
00:24:52,656 --> 00:24:55,616
Speaker 7: they're great at that. But for me, it's people. For me,

521
00:24:55,735 --> 00:24:59,455
Speaker 7: it's building relationships. For me, it's when things get difficult,

522
00:24:59,616 --> 00:25:01,215
Speaker 7: I want to be the guy. I want to be

523
00:25:01,296 --> 00:25:04,896
Speaker 7: the first guy in the fight, not because any other reason.

524
00:25:04,975 --> 00:25:06,696
Speaker 7: Then I feel like I owe it to the people

525
00:25:06,735 --> 00:25:10,656
Speaker 7: that I care about. And I hope when I'm done

526
00:25:10,696 --> 00:25:14,295
Speaker 7: coaching that when people ask, the first thing about me

527
00:25:14,495 --> 00:25:16,696
Speaker 7: that they enjoyed having me as a head coach was

528
00:25:16,896 --> 00:25:19,736
Speaker 7: I know that guy cared about me. I know he ultimately,

529
00:25:20,096 --> 00:25:22,975
Speaker 7: in a very difficult world, a very competitive world, he

530
00:25:23,096 --> 00:25:25,896
Speaker 7: still was able to make it about people. Uh and

531
00:25:25,896 --> 00:25:28,735
Speaker 7: and and the fact that every day we expected his

532
00:25:28,856 --> 00:25:30,616
Speaker 7: best and we expected him to be able to get

533
00:25:30,616 --> 00:25:33,976
Speaker 7: the best out of us and everybody around us because

534
00:25:34,016 --> 00:25:36,896
Speaker 7: who he authentically was every day. That's probably the best

535
00:25:36,936 --> 00:25:40,855
Speaker 7: way I can explain it, And it sounds probably simple,

536
00:25:41,536 --> 00:25:42,575
Speaker 7: but it's the only way I know.

537
00:25:43,296 --> 00:25:45,216
Speaker 3: Man, he's done this before I'm ready.

538
00:25:45,735 --> 00:25:47,416
Speaker 4: I'm I'm ready to run to the wall, but I'm

539
00:25:47,455 --> 00:25:49,616
Speaker 4: ready to vote, and I'm just shocked that he's never

540
00:25:49,656 --> 00:25:51,576
Speaker 4: called me, like maybe to come up and help coach

541
00:25:51,735 --> 00:25:54,216
Speaker 4: do anything. He's like, no, Cas, you're my buddy. You're

542
00:25:54,256 --> 00:25:57,856
Speaker 4: definitely never coaching Andre. Hey, you talk about people. You're

543
00:25:57,896 --> 00:26:00,535
Speaker 4: at the super Bowl this week. What was the coolest

544
00:26:00,536 --> 00:26:02,495
Speaker 4: interaction or somebody that you met there that you're like

545
00:26:02,735 --> 00:26:04,376
Speaker 4: that was? That was pretty cool that I got to

546
00:26:04,616 --> 00:26:09,576
Speaker 4: got to see him, her, whatever it might be, anybody.

547
00:26:08,936 --> 00:26:11,776
Speaker 7: You know, outside of of seeing you and Bobby at

548
00:26:12,136 --> 00:26:15,456
Speaker 7: Radio Row, where I didn't quite squeeze on your schedule,

549
00:26:15,495 --> 00:26:18,096
Speaker 7: I know it was very I know it was very packed,

550
00:26:18,296 --> 00:26:20,536
Speaker 7: you know, so I got I got penciled in for

551
00:26:20,536 --> 00:26:27,416
Speaker 7: for Tuesday afternoon, York. Thankful for but you know, it

552
00:26:27,495 --> 00:26:30,215
Speaker 7: was obviously great to see you, Matt. All jokes aside.

553
00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:33,256
Speaker 7: I do cherish the time we get to spend together. Uh,

554
00:26:33,296 --> 00:26:36,735
Speaker 7: you got to be around you know, maybe me and

555
00:26:36,735 --> 00:26:40,455
Speaker 7: and my one of my greatest mentors who's actually six

556
00:26:40,495 --> 00:26:44,296
Speaker 7: months younger than I am, and Sean McVeigh, somebody who

557
00:26:44,376 --> 00:26:46,376
Speaker 7: I have so much respect for. We want a super

558
00:26:46,416 --> 00:26:50,776
Speaker 7: Bowl together that will ultimately be something that sticks with

559
00:26:50,816 --> 00:26:54,376
Speaker 7: me forever. But you know, I would I would, uh

560
00:26:54,616 --> 00:26:58,176
Speaker 7: you know, you know, I would probably say just all

561
00:26:58,256 --> 00:27:00,696
Speaker 7: the countless players that came before us, you know, whether

562
00:27:00,696 --> 00:27:04,696
Speaker 7: it's seeing at NFL Honors Dion Sanders or the players

563
00:27:04,735 --> 00:27:07,015
Speaker 7: going into the Hall of Fame Ladanian Tomlinson, who is

564
00:27:07,056 --> 00:27:10,015
Speaker 7: a teammate of mine. You know, seeing Jared Allen, a

565
00:27:10,016 --> 00:27:14,376
Speaker 7: great Minnesota Viking go in, Uh, seeing seeing Terry Bradshaw's

566
00:27:14,416 --> 00:27:18,576
Speaker 7: and Peyton Mannings and just these these these people that uh,

567
00:27:18,656 --> 00:27:21,376
Speaker 7: you know you looked up to for so long for

568
00:27:21,495 --> 00:27:24,416
Speaker 7: your entire you know, young in young life, as you

569
00:27:24,455 --> 00:27:27,575
Speaker 7: became a lover of football. Uh, to get to be

570
00:27:27,616 --> 00:27:30,975
Speaker 7: in that environment on such a big stage. Although I

571
00:27:31,056 --> 00:27:33,856
Speaker 7: wasn't fortunate enough to coach in the game year, there's

572
00:27:33,856 --> 00:27:36,215
Speaker 7: certainly a lot of things you can take away from

573
00:27:36,256 --> 00:27:39,176
Speaker 7: being around so many great people. And uh, I did

574
00:27:39,215 --> 00:27:41,215
Speaker 7: really enjoy my experience down there for sure.

575
00:27:41,816 --> 00:27:43,696
Speaker 3: Like coach, we appreciate the time.

576
00:27:44,256 --> 00:27:46,775
Speaker 5: Looking forward to seeing what you guys do in the draft,

577
00:27:46,896 --> 00:27:50,416
Speaker 5: and congratulations on a great season and great to spend

578
00:27:50,455 --> 00:27:52,416
Speaker 5: some that that eight seconds that we spent together.

579
00:27:52,455 --> 00:27:53,896
Speaker 3: I'll never forget. I'll cherish it forever.

580
00:27:53,936 --> 00:27:54,136
Speaker 6: Coach.

581
00:27:54,136 --> 00:27:57,936
Speaker 3: Over the weekend, Uh, yeah, go vis ho coach school Viking.

582
00:27:58,056 --> 00:28:00,976
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you and Bobby. Best of luck

583
00:28:01,016 --> 00:28:03,136
Speaker 7: as you continue to take on this challenge of sitting

584
00:28:03,136 --> 00:28:04,416
Speaker 7: next to this guy.

585
00:28:04,735 --> 00:28:05,296
Speaker 6: It is a child.

586
00:28:05,735 --> 00:28:08,576
Speaker 4: It is a challenge, all right, coach, thank you, Thanks guys,

587
00:28:08,616 --> 00:28:09,536
Speaker 4: you're the best Vine.

588
00:28:09,656 --> 00:28:10,096
Speaker 6: Thank you.

589
00:28:29,336 --> 00:28:32,735
Speaker 5: With the draft coming up as a player, are you

590
00:28:32,776 --> 00:28:34,256
Speaker 5: hoping they don't draft your position?

591
00:28:34,856 --> 00:28:36,936
Speaker 4: Oh, it's always in the back of your mind. Like

592
00:28:36,975 --> 00:28:40,136
Speaker 4: I was with the Minnesota Vikings and I'm coming up.

593
00:28:40,136 --> 00:28:41,976
Speaker 4: They just resigned me to come back for a two

594
00:28:42,056 --> 00:28:45,376
Speaker 4: year deal, and I'm sitting there going, Okay, I'm I

595
00:28:45,416 --> 00:28:47,176
Speaker 4: know I'll maybe I'll be the bridge guy. But I

596
00:28:47,216 --> 00:28:49,456
Speaker 4: was still young enough to where I thought, Okay, they're

597
00:28:49,456 --> 00:28:52,536
Speaker 4: gonna give me the opportunity. I'm sitting there not expecting

598
00:28:52,576 --> 00:28:56,416
Speaker 4: them in round one to take a quarterback. Nobody said anything,

599
00:28:56,456 --> 00:28:58,296
Speaker 4: and the next thing you know, they draft Teddy Bridgewater

600
00:28:58,376 --> 00:28:59,696
Speaker 4: like twenty.

601
00:28:59,376 --> 00:29:02,296
Speaker 6: First overall something like that. I remember sitting there going,

602
00:29:02,896 --> 00:29:04,656
Speaker 6: what the You know you're.

603
00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:08,296
Speaker 4: Sitting there because you're not anticipating it, but then you

604
00:29:08,376 --> 00:29:11,896
Speaker 4: know it gives you this charge, like okay, I got

605
00:29:11,896 --> 00:29:12,536
Speaker 4: to get ready to go.

606
00:29:12,576 --> 00:29:14,616
Speaker 3: It's competition. I gotta go earn my.

607
00:29:14,616 --> 00:29:17,696
Speaker 4: Spot and it just flips a switch in you that

608
00:29:17,736 --> 00:29:20,896
Speaker 4: you got to get going again, because every year you

609
00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:23,016
Speaker 4: never know where you stand in the front office, doesn't

610
00:29:23,056 --> 00:29:25,736
Speaker 4: communicate with you, and especially even when I was in

611
00:29:25,736 --> 00:29:28,896
Speaker 4: New England when we drafted Kevin O'Connell, you know, you

612
00:29:28,936 --> 00:29:31,256
Speaker 4: don't know which direction they're going, what they're thinking in

613
00:29:31,256 --> 00:29:33,856
Speaker 4: the background, what's being said about you behind closed doors.

614
00:29:34,176 --> 00:29:37,216
Speaker 3: So, especially for a guy that was a.

615
00:29:37,136 --> 00:29:40,696
Speaker 4: Seventh round draft pick, no real standing with the team

616
00:29:40,736 --> 00:29:43,376
Speaker 4: at that point, you're always going, man, they could take

617
00:29:43,376 --> 00:29:45,616
Speaker 4: a quarterback, and when they do, it's a little nerve

618
00:29:45,616 --> 00:29:48,976
Speaker 4: wracking because they could be drafting your replacement. And so

619
00:29:49,216 --> 00:29:51,856
Speaker 4: it just again you go one of two ways, Like

620
00:29:51,896 --> 00:29:54,016
Speaker 4: you can get pissed off and some guys might say,

621
00:29:54,056 --> 00:29:55,936
Speaker 4: well I want to trade or whatever it might be.

622
00:29:56,176 --> 00:29:58,016
Speaker 6: For me, it was always like, well, I'm on the cusp.

623
00:29:58,056 --> 00:30:00,776
Speaker 4: Anyway, I got to grind right now, and so it

624
00:30:00,936 --> 00:30:03,536
Speaker 4: was just that extra motivational factor to go out and

625
00:30:03,696 --> 00:30:05,376
Speaker 4: get myself in the right mindset.

626
00:30:05,656 --> 00:30:08,376
Speaker 5: My curiosity has always been do they at all communicate

627
00:30:08,456 --> 00:30:11,376
Speaker 5: that It sounds like in your situation they didn't. Either

628
00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:15,336
Speaker 5: they didn't communicate it and they knew or they didn't communicate.

629
00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:17,056
Speaker 3: It, and like Bridgewater fell, because.

630
00:30:18,256 --> 00:30:20,976
Speaker 5: The most famous one in my mind is Aaron Rodgers

631
00:30:21,016 --> 00:30:24,416
Speaker 5: when they drafted Jordan Love and he was somewhat openly

632
00:30:24,456 --> 00:30:27,896
Speaker 5: pissed through his people because he wanted a wide receiver

633
00:30:28,296 --> 00:30:30,976
Speaker 5: and they drafted a quarterback to sit behind him a bit.

634
00:30:31,176 --> 00:30:33,575
Speaker 5: But really there's not a lot of communication between the

635
00:30:33,576 --> 00:30:36,376
Speaker 5: front office and the players at what they're aiming to do.

636
00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:39,616
Speaker 5: Do you think that's because their minds might change based

637
00:30:39,656 --> 00:30:42,056
Speaker 5: on what's taken ahead of them, or it's just not

638
00:30:42,136 --> 00:30:43,576
Speaker 5: healthier to have those discussions.

639
00:30:43,856 --> 00:30:45,456
Speaker 4: Well, I think in the back of their mind they

640
00:30:45,456 --> 00:30:49,095
Speaker 4: probably have had their staff meetings, player personnel departments come

641
00:30:49,136 --> 00:30:52,136
Speaker 4: in GM, everybody's had these discussions. But again, when you're

642
00:30:52,416 --> 00:30:57,016
Speaker 4: sitting at price, say fifteen twenty one, and even further back,

643
00:30:57,256 --> 00:31:00,056
Speaker 4: you're looking at best available, you're looking at fit, you're

644
00:31:00,096 --> 00:31:04,016
Speaker 4: looking at need, and so it's not always the need

645
00:31:04,056 --> 00:31:06,536
Speaker 4: that you're looking at, going oh, we absolutely have to

646
00:31:06,536 --> 00:31:08,336
Speaker 4: get a quarterback in the first round. Some of these teams,

647
00:31:08,336 --> 00:31:10,376
Speaker 4: when you're drafting in the top ten, you're like, Okay,

648
00:31:10,376 --> 00:31:11,976
Speaker 4: we know we need a quarterback, we know we need

649
00:31:12,016 --> 00:31:15,096
Speaker 4: a wide receiver. But I think that it's not communicated

650
00:31:15,096 --> 00:31:17,696
Speaker 4: because they truly don't know. Well, if we get here

651
00:31:19,096 --> 00:31:21,896
Speaker 4: at eighteen and so and so's taken off the board

652
00:31:21,896 --> 00:31:23,816
Speaker 4: who we thought is high value for us at the

653
00:31:23,856 --> 00:31:27,256
Speaker 4: quarterback position, but now he's gone. Now we're going to

654
00:31:27,296 --> 00:31:29,736
Speaker 4: transition to our next high value pick that at least

655
00:31:29,736 --> 00:31:32,496
Speaker 4: we believe is this defensive end out of wherever it

656
00:31:32,576 --> 00:31:34,376
Speaker 4: might be, We're going to go with him. So I

657
00:31:35,136 --> 00:31:38,216
Speaker 4: understand why they don't always communicate it because it's such

658
00:31:38,696 --> 00:31:42,296
Speaker 4: it's such a fluid process of picking the right player

659
00:31:42,296 --> 00:31:44,496
Speaker 4: at the right time and then what happens before you

660
00:31:44,536 --> 00:31:45,095
Speaker 4: in the draft.

661
00:31:45,376 --> 00:31:48,176
Speaker 5: I guess you could also be a liar pretty easily unintentionally,

662
00:31:48,216 --> 00:31:51,976
Speaker 5: because you are trying to communicate fluidity, which is almost impossible,

663
00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:53,936
Speaker 5: right And if you're like, we're going to do this,

664
00:31:53,976 --> 00:31:55,656
Speaker 5: and if this doesn't happen, we'll do this and this,

665
00:31:55,736 --> 00:31:57,855
Speaker 5: but all three of those don't happen, or there's an

666
00:31:57,856 --> 00:31:59,976
Speaker 5: opportunity to present itself you did not see. It could

667
00:31:59,976 --> 00:32:03,216
Speaker 5: come across as disingenuous or dishonest, when really it was

668
00:32:03,336 --> 00:32:05,696
Speaker 5: just you making the best decision for the team.

669
00:32:07,696 --> 00:32:08,976
Speaker 3: That would make more.

670
00:32:08,816 --> 00:32:11,816
Speaker 5: Sense than you just want to hide it because I

671
00:32:11,856 --> 00:32:12,896
Speaker 5: think that's what I want to do. I just want

672
00:32:12,896 --> 00:32:14,736
Speaker 5: to hide it and surprise everybody the night of right.

673
00:32:14,776 --> 00:32:16,855
Speaker 4: Well, I always used to love the calls from like

674
00:32:16,976 --> 00:32:20,256
Speaker 4: your quarterback coach, your offensive coordinator, even sometimes the GM

675
00:32:20,296 --> 00:32:22,016
Speaker 4: and like, hey, Maddie, we love you.

676
00:32:22,376 --> 00:32:24,016
Speaker 6: This is not a reflection on you.

677
00:32:24,256 --> 00:32:25,256
Speaker 3: How long do I make that call?

678
00:32:25,296 --> 00:32:26,056
Speaker 6: Do you have to get It's.

679
00:32:26,176 --> 00:32:29,816
Speaker 4: Pretty soon after, like within ten and fifteen minutes, where

680
00:32:29,856 --> 00:32:31,776
Speaker 4: you're still kind of boiling a little bit, like, honey,

681
00:32:31,936 --> 00:32:34,416
Speaker 4: you grab me a drink real quick. I need to

682
00:32:34,416 --> 00:32:37,336
Speaker 4: calm myself down. But then they're they kind of try

683
00:32:37,376 --> 00:32:39,856
Speaker 4: to reass assure you, but at the same time they're

684
00:32:40,176 --> 00:32:42,736
Speaker 4: very open, Like we liked him coming out. We thought

685
00:32:42,736 --> 00:32:45,096
Speaker 4: it was good value. Look he's coming in, he's going

686
00:32:45,136 --> 00:32:46,536
Speaker 4: to learn on you. But at the same time, you

687
00:32:46,576 --> 00:32:48,536
Speaker 4: got to get ready to compete. So they set the

688
00:32:48,536 --> 00:32:51,656
Speaker 4: standard and you understand the expectation level, and so from

689
00:32:51,656 --> 00:32:53,816
Speaker 4: there you just kind of you swallow your pride a

690
00:32:53,856 --> 00:32:55,896
Speaker 4: little bit, You take a minute to digest it, and

691
00:32:55,936 --> 00:32:56,736
Speaker 4: then it's back to work.

692
00:32:57,576 --> 00:32:59,736
Speaker 5: Tennessee Titans had the number one overall pick. They just

693
00:32:59,736 --> 00:33:02,936
Speaker 5: said they're open to shopping it now that they want

694
00:33:02,976 --> 00:33:04,976
Speaker 5: to shop it. But they're open to shopping it, which

695
00:33:04,976 --> 00:33:07,776
Speaker 5: to me as they probably would lean towards shopping it

696
00:33:07,856 --> 00:33:12,056
Speaker 5: right if you're advertising that right, the organization needs a

697
00:33:12,136 --> 00:33:13,776
Speaker 5: lot of pieces they do.

698
00:33:14,176 --> 00:33:18,336
Speaker 4: They do a quarterback, offensive line, alpha wide receiver.

699
00:33:18,616 --> 00:33:21,776
Speaker 3: Would you trade the pick for the Titans? Well, that's

700
00:33:21,816 --> 00:33:22,416
Speaker 3: the tricky part.

701
00:33:22,456 --> 00:33:26,416
Speaker 4: I think being the number one overall pick is it

702
00:33:26,456 --> 00:33:27,216
Speaker 4: takes a lot.

703
00:33:27,016 --> 00:33:28,976
Speaker 6: Of draft capital to come up to that.

704
00:33:29,496 --> 00:33:31,856
Speaker 4: Even if you're at say four or five, maybe you

705
00:33:31,896 --> 00:33:34,136
Speaker 4: don't give up as much. Maybe you're the Raiders at six,

706
00:33:34,336 --> 00:33:36,656
Speaker 4: maybe you're the Raiders at six, but it's still going

707
00:33:36,736 --> 00:33:40,016
Speaker 4: to take your six pick overall, maybe a number one

708
00:33:40,056 --> 00:33:41,856
Speaker 4: next year, maybe a second.

709
00:33:42,056 --> 00:33:44,416
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's high value draft pick.

710
00:33:44,736 --> 00:33:47,615
Speaker 4: So if anybody views that player that they see at

711
00:33:47,696 --> 00:33:50,776
Speaker 4: number one as their guy, then they're gonna have to

712
00:33:50,776 --> 00:33:51,376
Speaker 4: give up a lot.

713
00:33:51,416 --> 00:33:52,896
Speaker 6: And the Tennessee Titans know it.

714
00:33:53,296 --> 00:33:55,456
Speaker 4: But I'm in favor of it because, like you said,

715
00:33:55,496 --> 00:33:58,096
Speaker 4: there's so many holes, and you also have there's that

716
00:33:58,136 --> 00:34:01,376
Speaker 4: evaluation process that goes through that GM in the front

717
00:34:01,376 --> 00:34:03,736
Speaker 4: office mind. Well, if we do go down to six,

718
00:34:04,056 --> 00:34:05,856
Speaker 4: the guy that we really want to take, say it's

719
00:34:05,856 --> 00:34:08,855
Speaker 4: an offensive tackle or somebody like that, will he still

720
00:34:08,896 --> 00:34:10,576
Speaker 4: be there? Like where are the needs of these other

721
00:34:10,616 --> 00:34:12,256
Speaker 4: teams in front of us? So it's this cat and

722
00:34:12,296 --> 00:34:14,776
Speaker 4: mouse game and also your kind of rolling the dice

723
00:34:14,816 --> 00:34:17,336
Speaker 4: because if you go to six and the real guy

724
00:34:17,376 --> 00:34:19,256
Speaker 4: that you had your heart set on is not there,

725
00:34:20,256 --> 00:34:22,896
Speaker 4: then you kind of blew your opportunity. But there's a

726
00:34:22,896 --> 00:34:25,216
Speaker 4: lot of good value players at that point. But you've

727
00:34:25,216 --> 00:34:27,696
Speaker 4: got to get a player. Anytime you're drafting the top ten,

728
00:34:28,416 --> 00:34:29,976
Speaker 4: you got to get a game changer. You got to

729
00:34:29,976 --> 00:34:31,936
Speaker 4: get a guy that's going to come in and be

730
00:34:32,416 --> 00:34:34,616
Speaker 4: a dude on your team and be an impact player

731
00:34:34,696 --> 00:34:35,096
Speaker 4: right away.

732
00:34:35,776 --> 00:34:37,856
Speaker 5: I was watching Cam Newton talk about when he was

733
00:34:37,896 --> 00:34:41,096
Speaker 5: drafted number one overall and not even sure if he

734
00:34:41,136 --> 00:34:42,536
Speaker 5: saw the clip, but he was like, it's tough because

735
00:34:42,536 --> 00:34:44,376
Speaker 5: you're number one and you go to the number one team,

736
00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:47,016
Speaker 5: not because you know selfishly because you're the best player,

737
00:34:47,056 --> 00:34:48,776
Speaker 5: but really because the team sucks, right, And he was

738
00:34:48,776 --> 00:34:51,096
Speaker 5: talking about going into a locker room with fifty two

739
00:34:51,136 --> 00:34:56,296
Speaker 5: other losers and losing culture. And he then talked about

740
00:34:57,496 --> 00:34:59,776
Speaker 5: if it was talking to Travis Hunter, if you're a

741
00:34:59,816 --> 00:35:02,136
Speaker 5: wide receiver and heck, a wide receiver in a cornerback,

742
00:35:02,336 --> 00:35:04,416
Speaker 5: you can only affect so much.

743
00:35:04,776 --> 00:35:05,776
Speaker 3: Right, I can.

744
00:35:05,656 --> 00:35:08,096
Speaker 5: Affect a lot, But if you're a wide receiver or

745
00:35:08,096 --> 00:35:10,536
Speaker 5: a cornerback, you can only affect so much because you're

746
00:35:10,576 --> 00:35:14,336
Speaker 5: only one of six people who can get the ball. Right,

747
00:35:14,696 --> 00:35:18,016
Speaker 5: you're only one defensive player who's on a number one

748
00:35:18,136 --> 00:35:21,976
Speaker 5: wide receiver. So if you're the number one overall pick

749
00:35:21,976 --> 00:35:25,096
Speaker 5: and you're the Titans, I mean, you probably either get

750
00:35:25,096 --> 00:35:26,896
Speaker 5: a quarterback or leave.

751
00:35:26,936 --> 00:35:28,736
Speaker 6: Right, you'd think.

752
00:35:28,736 --> 00:35:32,416
Speaker 4: So, it's also a draft class that's probably a little

753
00:35:32,416 --> 00:35:35,696
Speaker 4: bit less valued than what the draft classes were even

754
00:35:35,776 --> 00:35:38,696
Speaker 4: last year a few years ago. And so you've got

755
00:35:38,696 --> 00:35:41,536
Speaker 4: to make that determination. Are we stretching right now? Are

756
00:35:41,536 --> 00:35:43,656
Speaker 4: we reaching for this draft pick because we know we

757
00:35:44,096 --> 00:35:48,616
Speaker 4: need a quarterback? But in any other draft class, even

758
00:35:48,656 --> 00:35:51,336
Speaker 4: if you can do your comparisons to the last year's

759
00:35:51,376 --> 00:35:54,416
Speaker 4: draft class, is he better than Drake May? Is he

760
00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:56,376
Speaker 4: better than some of these guys that were taking Jaden

761
00:35:56,456 --> 00:36:00,496
Speaker 4: Daniels for instance, Caleb Williams. Would we have put him

762
00:36:00,496 --> 00:36:03,576
Speaker 4: in the same category if he was compared to those guys?

763
00:36:04,016 --> 00:36:07,016
Speaker 4: And then you have to say, Okay, we do believe that,

764
00:36:07,056 --> 00:36:09,736
Speaker 4: we believe he is worthy of a number one pick,

765
00:36:09,776 --> 00:36:12,176
Speaker 4: because I think the problem for some of these organization

766
00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:15,136
Speaker 4: is they know they need a quarterback, they desperately need

767
00:36:15,176 --> 00:36:18,056
Speaker 4: a face of the franchise, but they reach for a

768
00:36:18,096 --> 00:36:23,856
Speaker 4: guy that might be a twelve to fifteen realistically versus.

769
00:36:23,856 --> 00:36:24,496
Speaker 6: The number one.

770
00:36:24,496 --> 00:36:27,336
Speaker 4: If you're the number one overall, dude, you're a Trevor

771
00:36:27,376 --> 00:36:29,536
Speaker 4: Lawrence of the world. You're a Jaden Daniels or Caleb

772
00:36:29,576 --> 00:36:32,456
Speaker 4: Williams of the world. You're those first two draft picks.

773
00:36:32,456 --> 00:36:35,456
Speaker 4: If you're a quarterback, you're a franchise changing player that

774
00:36:35,496 --> 00:36:37,896
Speaker 4: should be the face of that franchise if you do

775
00:36:37,936 --> 00:36:38,856
Speaker 4: what they expect you to do.

776
00:36:40,296 --> 00:36:41,576
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sucks. You're the best and you have to

777
00:36:41,616 --> 00:36:42,216
Speaker 3: go to the worst.

778
00:36:42,696 --> 00:36:43,056
Speaker 6: Oh.

779
00:36:43,736 --> 00:36:46,776
Speaker 4: I think about that all the time. It's such a

780
00:36:46,816 --> 00:36:48,896
Speaker 4: cool opportunity, right, I guess you want to be fine,

781
00:36:50,136 --> 00:36:52,296
Speaker 4: You've got there, You've made it, you're the number one

782
00:36:53,216 --> 00:36:54,296
Speaker 4: player in the draft.

783
00:36:54,576 --> 00:36:55,536
Speaker 6: But then all of a sudden, you.

784
00:36:55,496 --> 00:36:57,336
Speaker 3: Go, oh, I'm.

785
00:36:57,176 --> 00:37:02,696
Speaker 4: Going to Jacksonville or Chicago or whoever it might be

786
00:37:03,096 --> 00:37:06,096
Speaker 4: where you know, Wait, this team's won over many games

787
00:37:06,096 --> 00:37:09,096
Speaker 4: over the last few seasons. Maybe have a new coach,

788
00:37:09,256 --> 00:37:12,896
Speaker 4: whatever it might be. You're going into circumstances that are

789
00:37:12,936 --> 00:37:15,856
Speaker 4: different from where you came because I guarantee where those

790
00:37:15,856 --> 00:37:18,896
Speaker 4: guys have come from, they've had a tremendous amount of success,

791
00:37:19,136 --> 00:37:21,776
Speaker 4: probably haven't ever faced the adversity that they're about to

792
00:37:21,816 --> 00:37:24,456
Speaker 4: face in their first season in the NFL. And they've

793
00:37:24,456 --> 00:37:27,096
Speaker 4: got a team that doesn't know how to win yet.

794
00:37:27,536 --> 00:37:30,136
Speaker 4: And so when you're the quarterback also you're an extension

795
00:37:30,136 --> 00:37:33,256
Speaker 4: of the coaching staff, how do you go and present yourself.

796
00:37:33,856 --> 00:37:35,976
Speaker 4: You're going to face more adversity probably in that first

797
00:37:36,056 --> 00:37:37,656
Speaker 4: year than you've ever faced in your life.

798
00:37:37,856 --> 00:37:39,376
Speaker 6: How do you deal with that? And are you used

799
00:37:39,416 --> 00:37:39,976
Speaker 6: to dealing with that?

800
00:37:40,056 --> 00:37:41,616
Speaker 4: Are you going to go into a shell or are

801
00:37:41,656 --> 00:37:43,576
Speaker 4: you going to continue to rise to the occasion. So

802
00:37:43,896 --> 00:37:47,416
Speaker 4: there's all those different factors, particularly at the quarterback position,

803
00:37:47,496 --> 00:37:51,176
Speaker 4: because you have a microscope on you the entire time

804
00:37:51,736 --> 00:37:54,096
Speaker 4: that everybody's going to pass judgment on you too quickly.

805
00:37:54,296 --> 00:37:57,056
Speaker 5: What's interesting to me is for the Chiefs at thirty

806
00:37:57,216 --> 00:38:02,256
Speaker 5: one is that it's a very robust running back class.

807
00:38:04,136 --> 00:38:07,536
Speaker 5: They need offensive linemen, well, they need healthy offensive lineman,

808
00:38:07,576 --> 00:38:11,616
Speaker 5: and they they need a number one running back right

809
00:38:11,696 --> 00:38:15,856
Speaker 5: And I think we see the value again with the

810
00:38:15,856 --> 00:38:18,576
Speaker 5: Saquon who totally changed the equal Now he's a game

811
00:38:18,696 --> 00:38:22,696
Speaker 5: changing player. But there were a few running backs this

812
00:38:22,776 --> 00:38:26,056
Speaker 5: year that actually had a far greater impact, or at

813
00:38:26,136 --> 00:38:28,096
Speaker 5: least we noticed it, because for the last few years

814
00:38:28,136 --> 00:38:30,136
Speaker 5: it's like running backs or diamond doesn't right.

815
00:38:30,016 --> 00:38:31,776
Speaker 6: They devalue the running back position.

816
00:38:31,976 --> 00:38:36,816
Speaker 5: I think you saw, especially with Saquon, the revalue of

817
00:38:37,016 --> 00:38:39,496
Speaker 5: the running back. At least it's safer to draft a

818
00:38:39,576 --> 00:38:43,136
Speaker 5: running back earlier without being embarrassed if it doesn't work right.

819
00:38:43,976 --> 00:38:46,136
Speaker 5: And I wonder if Kansas City takes advantage of that

820
00:38:46,216 --> 00:38:49,536
Speaker 5: first second round and grabs one of the now the

821
00:38:49,616 --> 00:38:54,136
Speaker 5: quarterback class, meh, get two or three second tier, you

822
00:38:54,216 --> 00:38:57,616
Speaker 5: got three or four. There's about fourteen good running backs

823
00:38:58,296 --> 00:39:00,856
Speaker 5: in this year's class. If you were Kansas City, what's

824
00:39:00,896 --> 00:39:01,656
Speaker 5: the focus.

825
00:39:02,136 --> 00:39:03,936
Speaker 4: I think you've got to look at your offensive side

826
00:39:03,936 --> 00:39:05,736
Speaker 4: of the ball and say, we've got to stab a

827
00:39:05,816 --> 00:39:08,336
Speaker 4: game branking running back, somebody that puts fear of them,

828
00:39:08,336 --> 00:39:11,056
Speaker 4: because even when you watch that Super Bowl, they sat

829
00:39:11,136 --> 00:39:13,016
Speaker 4: back in too high defense and a lot of that

830
00:39:13,056 --> 00:39:15,136
Speaker 4: had to do with offensive line, the defensive front that

831
00:39:15,176 --> 00:39:18,256
Speaker 4: they have for the Eagles, but they were three point

832
00:39:18,576 --> 00:39:22,336
Speaker 4: four yards of carrier or something like that versus no blitzing.

833
00:39:22,856 --> 00:39:25,176
Speaker 4: It was a six man box and they couldn't get

834
00:39:25,176 --> 00:39:27,256
Speaker 4: it done. They know that they have to be better

835
00:39:27,336 --> 00:39:29,296
Speaker 4: in that area. So if you can go out and

836
00:39:29,336 --> 00:39:31,856
Speaker 4: get a guy that not only is good in the

837
00:39:31,896 --> 00:39:34,296
Speaker 4: run game, but obviously good in the past game as well,

838
00:39:34,776 --> 00:39:37,296
Speaker 4: he's another threat and somebody that they have to worry about,

839
00:39:37,336 --> 00:39:39,136
Speaker 4: and that opens everything else up.

840
00:39:39,816 --> 00:39:40,856
Speaker 6: When you start to run the.

841
00:39:40,776 --> 00:39:45,016
Speaker 4: Football effectively, well, they have to change their defensive structure.

842
00:39:45,056 --> 00:39:47,696
Speaker 4: They can't sit in too high defense. They have to

843
00:39:47,696 --> 00:39:49,576
Speaker 4: commit another guy to the run game, and now you

844
00:39:49,616 --> 00:39:52,216
Speaker 4: get more one on one opportunities. So they understand it.

845
00:39:52,256 --> 00:39:55,016
Speaker 4: I know Andy Reid understands that, but that's a huge

846
00:39:55,096 --> 00:39:57,176
Speaker 4: value pick for them because they need to go out

847
00:39:57,176 --> 00:40:00,176
Speaker 4: to get somebody at the running back position along with

848
00:40:00,936 --> 00:40:01,856
Speaker 4: kind of suring.

849
00:40:01,616 --> 00:40:05,016
Speaker 3: Up that left offensive tackle for them.

850
00:40:05,456 --> 00:40:07,336
Speaker 5: Think they feel pretty good wide receiver this year too.

851
00:40:07,336 --> 00:40:09,416
Speaker 5: I think Rashi Rice, although wasn't able to place her,

852
00:40:09,456 --> 00:40:13,576
Speaker 5: I think there was This was one of those years

853
00:40:13,576 --> 00:40:16,416
Speaker 5: where you see a player really start to understand his

854
00:40:16,656 --> 00:40:18,976
Speaker 5: role and then get a lot better in it, and

855
00:40:19,016 --> 00:40:21,096
Speaker 5: I think she Rice did that until he got hurt.

856
00:40:21,296 --> 00:40:24,216
Speaker 5: Even Xavier Worthy like he's he got to He actually

857
00:40:24,296 --> 00:40:25,696
Speaker 5: ran routes near the end of the year.

858
00:40:25,776 --> 00:40:26,976
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a flyer too.

859
00:40:27,256 --> 00:40:29,416
Speaker 4: Yeah, He's one of those guys that just blows the

860
00:40:29,416 --> 00:40:31,496
Speaker 4: top off the coverage because everywhere he is you have

861
00:40:31,496 --> 00:40:32,816
Speaker 4: to account for him with your safety.

862
00:40:33,016 --> 00:40:35,376
Speaker 5: And at first, that's really all you had to worry about,

863
00:40:35,576 --> 00:40:38,776
Speaker 5: was him just running as fast as he could. But

864
00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:41,136
Speaker 5: as the season, even before they had Hopkins, there's like

865
00:40:41,136 --> 00:40:42,576
Speaker 5: two or three games before they had Hopkins.

866
00:40:42,336 --> 00:40:43,736
Speaker 3: And it is really their only option.

867
00:40:43,896 --> 00:40:47,856
Speaker 5: Hollywood Brown wasn't back yet, and because of necessity, he

868
00:40:47,936 --> 00:40:49,696
Speaker 5: had to learn to be a bit of a better

869
00:40:49,736 --> 00:40:53,296
Speaker 5: wide receiver. And I think his long term growth as

870
00:40:53,296 --> 00:40:55,496
Speaker 5: a wide receiver that a couple in a few weeks

871
00:40:55,656 --> 00:40:58,216
Speaker 5: is going to help him tremendously moving forward, because he's

872
00:40:58,256 --> 00:40:59,936
Speaker 5: not just going to have to be the guy that runs.

873
00:41:00,376 --> 00:41:02,416
Speaker 3: He's always going to be the guy that can that

874
00:41:02,416 --> 00:41:04,216
Speaker 3: they have to look out for, like Tyreek.

875
00:41:05,056 --> 00:41:07,976
Speaker 5: But because of a few really difficult weeks with only

876
00:41:08,256 --> 00:41:10,336
Speaker 5: I mean with really nobody else, he had to learn

877
00:41:10,376 --> 00:41:11,736
Speaker 5: how to be a better wide receiver. I think that

878
00:41:11,736 --> 00:41:13,896
Speaker 5: plays well for that offense in the future as well.

879
00:41:14,176 --> 00:41:17,816
Speaker 4: One hundred percent agree, because there's no substitutes for speed,

880
00:41:18,016 --> 00:41:20,376
Speaker 4: especially elite speed like you have. And then if you

881
00:41:20,496 --> 00:41:24,456
Speaker 4: can double down and be a route runner. We talk

882
00:41:24,496 --> 00:41:28,536
Speaker 4: about that, understanding the nuances of different defense, how.

883
00:41:28,376 --> 00:41:31,496
Speaker 6: To get off, because I think getting off pressman, it's

884
00:41:31,496 --> 00:41:33,056
Speaker 6: an art form for wide receivers.

885
00:41:33,096 --> 00:41:36,096
Speaker 4: You learn your different releases, give them different looks and

886
00:41:36,256 --> 00:41:37,816
Speaker 4: at the same time how to come out of your

887
00:41:37,856 --> 00:41:39,976
Speaker 4: breaks and different subtle changes of speed.

888
00:41:41,216 --> 00:41:43,016
Speaker 3: That's what makes those guys special.

889
00:41:43,056 --> 00:41:45,616
Speaker 4: And when you have elite speed, you're the DB's always

890
00:41:45,696 --> 00:41:48,336
Speaker 4: fearful that you're going to run past them, so they

891
00:41:48,536 --> 00:41:50,096
Speaker 4: try to stay on top of you. But then you

892
00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:52,736
Speaker 4: change up those little those little nuances and how you

893
00:41:52,816 --> 00:41:54,656
Speaker 4: run a comeback. You know, it might be a stutter

894
00:41:54,696 --> 00:41:57,016
Speaker 4: at five yards and explode up thinking your stop goo,

895
00:41:57,056 --> 00:41:58,736
Speaker 4: and then you come out of your rank. That's what

896
00:41:58,896 --> 00:42:02,416
Speaker 4: why Randy Moss was so incredibly effective. He wasn't the

897
00:42:02,456 --> 00:42:05,656
Speaker 4: most refined route runner. He was a long strider, but

898
00:42:05,816 --> 00:42:08,256
Speaker 4: they were so fearful that he was going to go

899
00:42:08,416 --> 00:42:11,056
Speaker 4: right past them that they would back off. And then

900
00:42:11,216 --> 00:42:13,176
Speaker 4: that makes everything else. Pitch and catch.

901
00:42:28,936 --> 00:42:31,096
Speaker 3: We have Andy Roddick about to come on with us.

902
00:42:31,136 --> 00:42:33,256
Speaker 5: Andy Roddick again, former number one tennis player in the world,

903
00:42:34,016 --> 00:42:38,016
Speaker 5: major champion, a friend of mine for a long time

904
00:42:38,416 --> 00:42:39,816
Speaker 5: I went to a you know, I got to go

905
00:42:39,856 --> 00:42:41,536
Speaker 5: to my first Super Bowls because of him.

906
00:42:41,856 --> 00:42:42,616
Speaker 3: It is so cool.

907
00:42:42,656 --> 00:42:43,856
Speaker 5: And then I got to do that this year with

908
00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:46,576
Speaker 5: my guys. He's like the grandpa my guys.

909
00:42:46,976 --> 00:42:47,656
Speaker 6: That's pretty cool.

910
00:42:47,776 --> 00:42:49,096
Speaker 4: They took me to the games, and I took my

911
00:42:49,136 --> 00:42:51,176
Speaker 4: guys to the games. He's like their grandpa. I mean,

912
00:42:51,216 --> 00:42:53,736
Speaker 4: where's the smiles all around for the whole crew. I mean,

913
00:42:53,776 --> 00:42:57,016
Speaker 4: it's pretty cool that you're in that position where you

914
00:42:57,096 --> 00:42:59,536
Speaker 4: can rally the troops and be like, hey, guys, let's

915
00:42:59,536 --> 00:43:00,335
Speaker 4: go to a Super Bowl.

916
00:43:00,776 --> 00:43:04,296
Speaker 5: Yes, I didn't have enough tickets at first, there were

917
00:43:04,336 --> 00:43:09,496
Speaker 5: one ticket short, odd man out, but it turned out

918
00:43:09,496 --> 00:43:12,976
Speaker 5: when I did NFL Honors the TV show that they

919
00:43:12,976 --> 00:43:15,536
Speaker 5: were like, he here's a couple of extra tickets. They

920
00:43:15,656 --> 00:43:17,576
Speaker 5: gave me two tickets for doing the show on Fox,

921
00:43:17,936 --> 00:43:20,096
Speaker 5: and because I was just gonna buy Kevin one because

922
00:43:20,096 --> 00:43:21,896
Speaker 5: he completed the Scavenger Hunt challenge.

923
00:43:21,936 --> 00:43:23,776
Speaker 4: To get that was solid. By the way, do you

924
00:43:23,776 --> 00:43:25,656
Speaker 4: want to tell him about the Scavenger Hunt?

925
00:43:25,936 --> 00:43:26,216
Speaker 6: Sure?

926
00:43:26,656 --> 00:43:31,856
Speaker 5: So I have five guys total that we travel around

927
00:43:31,856 --> 00:43:34,576
Speaker 5: and shoot stuff, and so these are my guys who

928
00:43:34,576 --> 00:43:36,736
Speaker 5: work on the radio show. And so at five total,

929
00:43:36,776 --> 00:43:39,216
Speaker 5: but I only have four tickets, and so with the

930
00:43:39,256 --> 00:43:41,416
Speaker 5: four tickets, I told all five of them, one of

931
00:43:41,456 --> 00:43:43,416
Speaker 5: them is mine, So I'm not even in this. But

932
00:43:43,496 --> 00:43:45,456
Speaker 5: between the four of you, there are three tickets left.

933
00:43:45,536 --> 00:43:48,176
Speaker 5: And we competed, we played, and I wanted it to

934
00:43:48,176 --> 00:43:51,696
Speaker 5: be even for everybody who played Connect four, played bop It,

935
00:43:52,096 --> 00:43:56,696
Speaker 5: played Operation and read our video guy who's video guy

936
00:43:56,696 --> 00:44:00,816
Speaker 5: in this show, Eddie, who's my comedy partner, and we

937
00:44:00,856 --> 00:44:04,336
Speaker 5: played music raging idiots. They won their games and Kevin,

938
00:44:04,336 --> 00:44:08,416
Speaker 5: our producer, kept losing. He lost every game.

939
00:44:08,256 --> 00:44:08,855
Speaker 2: Over and over.

940
00:44:09,576 --> 00:44:11,416
Speaker 5: So but he still had to work because we went

941
00:44:11,536 --> 00:44:15,136
Speaker 5: and we did the show the days before the super

942
00:44:15,136 --> 00:44:17,056
Speaker 5: Bowl on Thursday and Friday, so he still had to go.

943
00:44:17,136 --> 00:44:18,896
Speaker 5: So he was the whole time. He didn't have a

944
00:44:18,976 --> 00:44:20,496
Speaker 5: Tat's the only one that didn't have a ticket on

945
00:44:20,536 --> 00:44:23,776
Speaker 5: the trip, so I can't. I was not because I'm

946
00:44:23,856 --> 00:44:25,936
Speaker 5: I had my word. I said, I'm not just going

947
00:44:25,976 --> 00:44:27,896
Speaker 5: to give anybody a ticket like this is going to

948
00:44:27,976 --> 00:44:30,096
Speaker 5: be real, because if I don't tell the truth, then

949
00:44:30,096 --> 00:44:31,176
Speaker 5: why would they believe me later?

950
00:44:31,296 --> 00:44:33,736
Speaker 6: Right? True? So I got to make them earn it.

951
00:44:34,376 --> 00:44:36,936
Speaker 5: I said, one more option, you want to do a

952
00:44:36,936 --> 00:44:38,936
Speaker 5: Scavenger on he goes I'm in So he had to

953
00:44:38,976 --> 00:44:41,816
Speaker 5: like it, find a ball, get it signed by somebody.

954
00:44:41,896 --> 00:44:44,136
Speaker 5: He had to have get a video made by somebody,

955
00:44:44,376 --> 00:44:46,576
Speaker 5: make you know, saying listen to the podcast. He had

956
00:44:46,576 --> 00:44:48,896
Speaker 5: to get somebody that we recognized with her own eyes

957
00:44:48,976 --> 00:44:53,136
Speaker 5: would walk up and do an interview. And so I

958
00:44:53,176 --> 00:44:57,536
Speaker 5: didn't recognize Cam Hayward at first because he's a defensive lineman.

959
00:44:57,696 --> 00:44:59,656
Speaker 5: I then did, but when he was walking up, it

960
00:44:59,736 --> 00:45:00,656
Speaker 5: was just a massive.

961
00:45:00,416 --> 00:45:03,096
Speaker 4: Dude, You're a massive You're like whoa, wha, whoa. So

962
00:45:03,296 --> 00:45:05,176
Speaker 4: we had to be honest. We didn't give that to him.

963
00:45:05,576 --> 00:45:07,776
Speaker 4: Oh you did not know? That was okay.

964
00:45:07,896 --> 00:45:10,136
Speaker 5: The next day though, in a gold jacket, Trill Davis

965
00:45:10,176 --> 00:45:10,576
Speaker 5: walks up.

966
00:45:11,256 --> 00:45:12,696
Speaker 6: I was there when that happened.

967
00:45:12,456 --> 00:45:15,736
Speaker 3: Immediately, boom boom boom. So we went to the game.

968
00:45:15,816 --> 00:45:17,856
Speaker 3: He got his golden ticket, He got his golden ticket,

969
00:45:18,336 --> 00:45:21,376
Speaker 3: and yeah, it was. It was. It was super cool.

970
00:45:21,976 --> 00:45:22,656
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this.

971
00:45:22,656 --> 00:45:24,296
Speaker 5: This game was different than the other ones, but just

972
00:45:24,336 --> 00:45:25,536
Speaker 5: simply because of Eagles fans.

973
00:45:26,056 --> 00:45:28,136
Speaker 6: Really was it packed Eagles fans.

974
00:45:28,176 --> 00:45:30,736
Speaker 5: It was loud and obnoxious, and Super Bowls, for the

975
00:45:30,776 --> 00:45:36,456
Speaker 5: most part, are not extremely fan driven. It's a way

976
00:45:36,496 --> 00:45:41,856
Speaker 5: expensive ticket. Yep, like very corporate, absolutely, and because most

977
00:45:41,896 --> 00:45:44,136
Speaker 5: people can't who can afford a ticket like that, just

978
00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:49,416
Speaker 5: like that has a normal job, and so it's very corporate.

979
00:45:49,816 --> 00:45:52,335
Speaker 5: But those Eagles fans, I don't know what they sold

980
00:45:52,416 --> 00:45:54,456
Speaker 5: or who they beat up or who they stole from. Uh,

981
00:45:54,736 --> 00:45:56,936
Speaker 5: they it was packed. It was like seventy five percent

982
00:45:56,976 --> 00:46:00,216
Speaker 5: Eagles fans. Really it felt like a real game because

983
00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:02,456
Speaker 5: they were so loud and that made it That made

984
00:46:02,456 --> 00:46:04,736
Speaker 5: it cool. And so yeah, we had a great time.

985
00:46:04,736 --> 00:46:06,216
Speaker 5: And then we were trying to leave after the game,

986
00:46:06,536 --> 00:46:09,576
Speaker 5: and so we go to the private airport to fly

987
00:46:09,576 --> 00:46:10,696
Speaker 5: back because I got to be on the air the

988
00:46:10,736 --> 00:46:14,056
Speaker 5: next morning at five am. So this is Sunday night

989
00:46:14,096 --> 00:46:17,776
Speaker 5: into Monday morning, and this is gonna be a champagne problem.

990
00:46:17,816 --> 00:46:19,296
Speaker 3: I want everybody know, this is not a real problem.

991
00:46:19,296 --> 00:46:23,576
Speaker 5: This champagne problem with private airport and you have to

992
00:46:23,616 --> 00:46:27,136
Speaker 5: like reserve your slot. Who knew to get out? You

993
00:46:27,136 --> 00:46:31,416
Speaker 5: can't just go because there are so many and so

994
00:46:31,496 --> 00:46:33,296
Speaker 5: we have a great slot. They opened airspace at like

995
00:46:33,336 --> 00:46:35,136
Speaker 5: ten thirty. Who knew they had to Who knew they

996
00:46:35,216 --> 00:46:36,456
Speaker 5: closed air space?

997
00:46:36,896 --> 00:46:37,536
Speaker 6: I had no idea.

998
00:46:37,896 --> 00:46:39,656
Speaker 5: I figured it would be limited over the city, but

999
00:46:39,696 --> 00:46:42,856
Speaker 5: who knew they closed everything, but they did. They reopened

1000
00:46:42,856 --> 00:46:45,216
Speaker 5: it at like ten or ten thirty, and so they

1001
00:46:45,216 --> 00:46:47,656
Speaker 5: start to slowly let people onto their planes. We had

1002
00:46:47,656 --> 00:46:51,136
Speaker 5: a good slot at ten forty seven. However, Trump still

1003
00:46:51,136 --> 00:46:56,176
Speaker 5: hadn't left yet, and nothing moved brutal nothing moves if

1004
00:46:56,216 --> 00:46:59,056
Speaker 5: Air Force one doesn't move. And I completely understand and

1005
00:46:59,096 --> 00:47:02,896
Speaker 5: I agree, but it was annoying because we're just like

1006
00:47:02,936 --> 00:47:07,456
Speaker 5: sitting there, like we wasn't at the anymore, so like, look,

1007
00:47:08,176 --> 00:47:08,656
Speaker 5: let's go, we.

1008
00:47:08,696 --> 00:47:09,816
Speaker 6: Need can we please go?

1009
00:47:09,896 --> 00:47:11,936
Speaker 3: Let's get someone call him. They have a cell phone number.

1010
00:47:12,176 --> 00:47:14,096
Speaker 5: We finally got home at like I got to bet

1011
00:47:14,096 --> 00:47:16,696
Speaker 5: about two am champagne problem and had to be able

1012
00:47:16,776 --> 00:47:18,616
Speaker 5: like five to do the show. And we take this

1013
00:47:18,656 --> 00:47:21,096
Speaker 5: on Tuesday. The show we're doing now Tuesday afternoon for

1014
00:47:21,136 --> 00:47:23,296
Speaker 5: a Wednesday morning release. So I mean, I haven't have muchlee.

1015
00:47:23,336 --> 00:47:25,856
Speaker 5: I know, I'm not complaining about it, but overall it

1016
00:47:25,936 --> 00:47:28,216
Speaker 5: is a great experience for me because I got to

1017
00:47:28,296 --> 00:47:29,736
Speaker 5: let my guys do it.

1018
00:47:29,936 --> 00:47:30,176
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1019
00:47:30,496 --> 00:47:33,056
Speaker 4: I just love the competition and all that. Oh me too, Yeah,

1020
00:47:33,096 --> 00:47:36,176
Speaker 4: I just remember watching Kevin and I get there and

1021
00:47:36,216 --> 00:47:39,896
Speaker 4: he's like got this look in his eyes, just pure determination.

1022
00:47:39,376 --> 00:47:40,616
Speaker 3: He's like, I gotta get a signature.

1023
00:47:40,856 --> 00:47:41,936
Speaker 6: I gotta get something else.

1024
00:47:42,096 --> 00:47:43,136
Speaker 3: Oh I saw him in action.

1025
00:47:43,216 --> 00:47:45,576
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw him in action, like scanning the crowd,

1026
00:47:45,656 --> 00:47:47,976
Speaker 4: walking up and down, talking to people, and I'm laughing.

1027
00:47:48,016 --> 00:47:49,056
Speaker 6: I'm going, what are you doing.

1028
00:47:49,296 --> 00:47:50,616
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, I gotta get a tickets.

1029
00:47:50,656 --> 00:47:53,096
Speaker 4: The only way, Bobby said, if I get a signature,

1030
00:47:53,256 --> 00:47:55,456
Speaker 4: if I get somebody that they recognize to come on

1031
00:47:55,456 --> 00:47:56,856
Speaker 4: the show, I'm good to go.

1032
00:47:57,296 --> 00:47:59,576
Speaker 6: And so you were grinding. It was the greatest.

1033
00:47:59,736 --> 00:48:02,216
Speaker 3: The hardest part was trying to work while doing that. Yeah,

1034
00:48:02,216 --> 00:48:03,416
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, I was working,

1035
00:48:03,456 --> 00:48:04,576
Speaker 3: he was working. He was there working.

1036
00:48:04,616 --> 00:48:06,096
Speaker 8: So it was like getting guests up there, making sure

1037
00:48:06,176 --> 00:48:07,336
Speaker 8: you guys are good, and then as soon as the

1038
00:48:07,336 --> 00:48:09,336
Speaker 8: interview would start, maybe I'd go run off for two seconds,

1039
00:48:09,376 --> 00:48:10,056
Speaker 8: come back.

1040
00:48:09,856 --> 00:48:11,976
Speaker 6: And he doubled up, doubled down, baby.

1041
00:48:12,136 --> 00:48:14,456
Speaker 5: So that was my favorite part, Like to see the

1042
00:48:14,496 --> 00:48:18,576
Speaker 5: game through my kid's eyes, and that's what Andy was

1043
00:48:18,616 --> 00:48:21,776
Speaker 5: able to do for me because Andy grew up like

1044
00:48:21,816 --> 00:48:23,856
Speaker 5: a normal His brother was this tennis.

1045
00:48:23,576 --> 00:48:24,376
Speaker 3: Star, his older brother.

1046
00:48:25,296 --> 00:48:28,016
Speaker 5: That's right if John was the one that was supposed

1047
00:48:28,056 --> 00:48:30,736
Speaker 5: to be the tennis star, and so Andy was just

1048
00:48:30,776 --> 00:48:35,736
Speaker 5: the kid, his little brother, and was around tennis a

1049
00:48:35,776 --> 00:48:40,016
Speaker 5: lot and then began to grow. And Andy's a crazy.

1050
00:48:39,616 --> 00:48:44,056
Speaker 3: Hard worker, you could tell that, just grind it out,

1051
00:48:44,296 --> 00:48:45,496
Speaker 3: and so.

1052
00:48:46,896 --> 00:48:50,976
Speaker 5: He would have access because his brother, and then slowly

1053
00:48:51,016 --> 00:48:53,736
Speaker 5: started to be Oh, this guy's awesome.

1054
00:48:53,896 --> 00:48:55,176
Speaker 3: I mean he went pro seventeen.

1055
00:48:56,056 --> 00:48:58,296
Speaker 4: See that's a crazy part about tennis. You'll see a

1056
00:48:58,336 --> 00:49:00,976
Speaker 4: fifteen year old or a seventeen year old. They're all

1057
00:49:01,016 --> 00:49:03,856
Speaker 4: phenoms if you're playing at that level. Is why he

1058
00:49:03,856 --> 00:49:05,216
Speaker 4: didn't go to college. He won the US Open at

1059
00:49:05,256 --> 00:49:05,776
Speaker 4: night eighteen.

1060
00:49:06,296 --> 00:49:10,776
Speaker 5: He you know, comes from a normal working class, middle

1061
00:49:10,816 --> 00:49:13,896
Speaker 5: class family and he ended up moving down to Florida

1062
00:49:14,336 --> 00:49:17,456
Speaker 5: and you know, going to one of those academies because he.

1063
00:49:17,456 --> 00:49:18,016
Speaker 3: Was so good.

1064
00:49:19,016 --> 00:49:24,696
Speaker 5: They eat, sleep, breathe tennis right all the time. Him

1065
00:49:24,736 --> 00:49:27,296
Speaker 5: and Marty Fish, who's a player, they lived together, and

1066
00:49:27,296 --> 00:49:29,416
Speaker 5: Andy and I became really close in Austin, who did

1067
00:49:29,416 --> 00:49:31,136
Speaker 5: some charity stuff together, and then we just became friends

1068
00:49:31,136 --> 00:49:35,936
Speaker 5: because both of us we are kind of private and

1069
00:49:35,976 --> 00:49:37,056
Speaker 5: pretty awkward ish.

1070
00:49:37,936 --> 00:49:40,976
Speaker 4: Really, I never look at you as awkward. You keep

1071
00:49:41,056 --> 00:49:43,416
Speaker 4: using that word awkward, but go ahead.

1072
00:49:43,136 --> 00:49:47,576
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm not awkward working We've had two pers so

1073
00:49:47,616 --> 00:49:51,976
Speaker 5: they last couple of times we've done something I would

1074
00:49:52,016 --> 00:49:55,696
Speaker 5: say non professionally as like human beings. The last time,

1075
00:49:55,936 --> 00:49:57,736
Speaker 5: which we talked about earlier, I left because I was like,

1076
00:49:57,776 --> 00:49:58,376
Speaker 5: I feel weird.

1077
00:49:59,016 --> 00:50:01,096
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a moment for me. When I got

1078
00:50:01,096 --> 00:50:03,656
Speaker 4: that text. I was like, you're already gone. I'm here

1079
00:50:03,736 --> 00:50:06,296
Speaker 4: like walking around looking at ex executives that cut me.

1080
00:50:06,416 --> 00:50:08,696
Speaker 3: This is why it's so nice to meet you.

1081
00:50:08,696 --> 00:50:09,096
Speaker 6: You cut me.

1082
00:50:09,176 --> 00:50:11,056
Speaker 5: This is where I throw it though, like put them

1083
00:50:11,056 --> 00:50:16,816
Speaker 5: a freaking mic on. I'm imaginary right, real life. So

1084
00:50:17,096 --> 00:50:19,896
Speaker 5: I think there was a bond over us SO and

1085
00:50:19,936 --> 00:50:22,016
Speaker 5: I would travel with them, you know, I'd go to

1086
00:50:22,016 --> 00:50:23,696
Speaker 5: some tennis tournaments with them. I went to the He

1087
00:50:23,776 --> 00:50:26,336
Speaker 5: called me the day before he announced his retirement. He

1088
00:50:26,336 --> 00:50:28,496
Speaker 5: didn't really have a plan to retire, and he called

1089
00:50:28,496 --> 00:50:30,416
Speaker 5: me and he goes, I think I'm gonna retire tomorrow. I

1090
00:50:30,456 --> 00:50:32,856
Speaker 5: was like, from tennis in general. He is like yeah,

1091
00:50:32,896 --> 00:50:35,336
Speaker 5: he said, it's a US Open. You should just come

1092
00:50:35,416 --> 00:50:36,856
Speaker 5: up because this is my last tournament.

1093
00:50:36,976 --> 00:50:38,216
Speaker 6: How old was he when he retired.

1094
00:50:40,216 --> 00:50:44,736
Speaker 5: If I were guessing thirty thirty, two thirty, I don't know.

1095
00:50:44,856 --> 00:50:46,896
Speaker 3: See, that's the crazy part about tennis players too, is

1096
00:50:46,936 --> 00:50:48,856
Speaker 3: because you have to look would you guys look that up.

1097
00:50:49,056 --> 00:50:52,815
Speaker 4: You start younger, but then you're done thirty thirty one.

1098
00:50:53,536 --> 00:50:55,336
Speaker 4: Kind of similar to football, I guess in some ways.

1099
00:50:55,376 --> 00:50:56,976
Speaker 4: I was thirty six. I was lucky to play for

1100
00:50:57,016 --> 00:50:58,696
Speaker 4: as long as I did, but it's not like you

1101
00:50:58,776 --> 00:51:00,056
Speaker 4: got to go through college thirty.

1102
00:51:00,176 --> 00:51:02,016
Speaker 3: He was thirty thirty years old, I remember.

1103
00:51:02,136 --> 00:51:04,456
Speaker 5: And then he's coming on in one seconds a podcast

1104
00:51:04,456 --> 00:51:05,896
Speaker 5: called Serve you can check it out, and he's playing

1105
00:51:05,936 --> 00:51:07,536
Speaker 5: this pickleball thing on ESPN this weekend.

1106
00:51:08,216 --> 00:51:10,496
Speaker 3: But he calls and.

1107
00:51:12,256 --> 00:51:15,096
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, well, I'm broke at the time,

1108
00:51:15,456 --> 00:51:16,736
Speaker 5: and he's like, you just need to get up here.

1109
00:51:16,736 --> 00:51:18,736
Speaker 3: So I got a Southwest flight the day before. I

1110
00:51:18,736 --> 00:51:20,496
Speaker 3: spend like four hundred bucks on a one way ticket,

1111
00:51:21,016 --> 00:51:26,096
Speaker 3: and he's playing is it Flushing and that?

1112
00:51:26,776 --> 00:51:28,936
Speaker 5: I think that's the New York it's the Arthur ash

1113
00:51:29,016 --> 00:51:32,616
Speaker 5: Stadium and maybe, and it's outdoors, and it's his last tournament.

1114
00:51:32,656 --> 00:51:35,816
Speaker 5: And he's one of my best friends. He you know,

1115
00:51:36,376 --> 00:51:38,856
Speaker 5: when I got married. He is a groovesman. And so

1116
00:51:39,216 --> 00:51:40,936
Speaker 5: I go up and I'm having to work at the

1117
00:51:40,936 --> 00:51:42,536
Speaker 5: same time because everything I do, I always have to

1118
00:51:42,536 --> 00:51:43,456
Speaker 5: work that radio show.

1119
00:51:43,936 --> 00:51:44,656
Speaker 3: It has to happen.

1120
00:51:45,176 --> 00:51:47,176
Speaker 5: And so I would work all day and then I

1121
00:51:47,216 --> 00:51:48,616
Speaker 5: would go over and try to watch him. And he

1122
00:51:49,136 --> 00:51:51,296
Speaker 5: was supposed to play like once or twice and lose

1123
00:51:51,336 --> 00:51:53,056
Speaker 5: because he was at the end of he kept freaking

1124
00:51:53,096 --> 00:51:55,176
Speaker 5: winning and so I'm just I'm in New York and

1125
00:51:55,216 --> 00:51:55,936
Speaker 5: it kept raining.

1126
00:51:56,296 --> 00:51:57,176
Speaker 3: I was I feel like I.

1127
00:51:57,136 --> 00:52:01,656
Speaker 5: Was there for three months and at long. And if

1128
00:52:01,696 --> 00:52:04,056
Speaker 5: it rains, they cancel everything because it's outside. You can't

1129
00:52:04,056 --> 00:52:04,936
Speaker 5: play on a wet court.

1130
00:52:05,576 --> 00:52:07,256
Speaker 3: Oh, they don't have to fight through the elements.

1131
00:52:07,336 --> 00:52:10,336
Speaker 5: They don't or they don't have ripped up everything yea

1132
00:52:10,456 --> 00:52:13,856
Speaker 5: in their legs and so and then finally he loses.

1133
00:52:14,976 --> 00:52:18,736
Speaker 5: His career is over. But he just kept winning, and

1134
00:52:18,776 --> 00:52:20,136
Speaker 5: I was like torn. I was like, dude, I want

1135
00:52:20,136 --> 00:52:21,136
Speaker 5: you to keep winning all the way a thegain, but

1136
00:52:21,176 --> 00:52:24,216
Speaker 5: I was like, I gotta go home. I love you,

1137
00:52:24,456 --> 00:52:26,176
Speaker 5: I gotta go home. I really hope you win this.

1138
00:52:26,696 --> 00:52:30,936
Speaker 5: So and now he outwardly talks about people that claim

1139
00:52:30,976 --> 00:52:32,936
Speaker 5: pickleballs as hard as tennis and how big a losers

1140
00:52:32,976 --> 00:52:35,136
Speaker 5: they are, because he's like, it's not the same. And

1141
00:52:35,136 --> 00:52:37,456
Speaker 5: he plays pickleball a little bit, but he definitely not much.

1142
00:52:37,936 --> 00:52:40,376
Speaker 5: And the first tournament he played like one a million

1143
00:52:40,416 --> 00:52:40,896
Speaker 5: dollar thing.

1144
00:52:41,416 --> 00:52:42,216
Speaker 3: It's so stupid.

1145
00:52:42,456 --> 00:52:44,336
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, it's so stupid.

1146
00:52:44,336 --> 00:52:45,896
Speaker 3: I just want to it's so stupid.

1147
00:52:45,896 --> 00:52:47,896
Speaker 4: That's a pretty good deal right there. And if you're

1148
00:52:47,936 --> 00:52:51,896
Speaker 4: athletic enough, obviously tennis background helps a lot from hand

1149
00:52:51,896 --> 00:52:54,656
Speaker 4: eye coordination, what you're doing and how you do all

1150
00:52:54,696 --> 00:52:57,056
Speaker 4: those things. But when you go out and you're like, yeah,

1151
00:52:57,216 --> 00:53:00,056
Speaker 4: I don't play, but I'll play in this tournament stupid

1152
00:53:00,096 --> 00:53:02,056
Speaker 4: and goes out and wins, it's a pretty good deal.

1153
00:53:02,136 --> 00:53:04,496
Speaker 3: I love him. Here he is what is it? Is

1154
00:53:04,496 --> 00:53:05,376
Speaker 3: it Flushing Meadows?

1155
00:53:05,536 --> 00:53:05,736
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1156
00:53:06,336 --> 00:53:09,136
Speaker 2: Yeah, Flushing, New York at their ash Stadium.

1157
00:53:08,816 --> 00:53:11,176
Speaker 5: With their like seventy two times for six matches because

1158
00:53:11,176 --> 00:53:12,936
Speaker 5: we kept getting out there and kept raining us out.

1159
00:53:13,616 --> 00:53:15,776
Speaker 5: I knew nothing about tennis growing up, but I was

1160
00:53:15,816 --> 00:53:17,696
Speaker 5: the guy with the best equipment even though I didn't play,

1161
00:53:17,696 --> 00:53:18,256
Speaker 5: because I got all.

1162
00:53:18,216 --> 00:53:21,096
Speaker 6: This free cred. I can't play tennis to save my life.

1163
00:53:21,136 --> 00:53:23,816
Speaker 3: Celi Ja here he is former number one. Andy Roddick

1164
00:53:27,096 --> 00:53:29,216
Speaker 3: on is Andy Roddick who.

1165
00:53:29,496 --> 00:53:34,336
Speaker 4: Loves loves pickleball. Yeah, I played pickleball this morning. I'm

1166
00:53:34,336 --> 00:53:34,816
Speaker 4: not gonna lay.

1167
00:53:34,936 --> 00:53:37,136
Speaker 3: He is the biggest advocate, right, I mean, you stand

1168
00:53:37,136 --> 00:53:38,256
Speaker 3: for pickleball.

1169
00:53:38,816 --> 00:53:39,296
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do.

1170
00:53:40,856 --> 00:53:43,176
Speaker 8: I've figured out that I'm kind of for anything where

1171
00:53:43,176 --> 00:53:45,656
Speaker 8: you improve every seven and a half minutes automatically.

1172
00:53:46,376 --> 00:53:49,256
Speaker 4: So he makes fun of pickleball. Yeah, yeah, I can

1173
00:53:49,296 --> 00:53:52,296
Speaker 4: see that. I mean, he was the best tennis player

1174
00:53:52,296 --> 00:53:53,416
Speaker 4: in the world, but he.

1175
00:53:53,456 --> 00:53:57,216
Speaker 5: Also okay, question, and I want to talk about this

1176
00:53:57,256 --> 00:54:00,336
Speaker 5: event that's happening this weekend, because I did not know

1177
00:54:00,376 --> 00:54:02,256
Speaker 5: you were playing in it. Again, I remember the first time.

1178
00:54:02,336 --> 00:54:04,216
Speaker 5: This is just a quick little story. I get a

1179
00:54:04,216 --> 00:54:05,896
Speaker 5: text for Randy going, hey, you play ball. This is

1180
00:54:05,936 --> 00:54:08,736
Speaker 5: two years ago. I was like, yeah, he goes something,

1181
00:54:08,816 --> 00:54:11,136
Speaker 5: something goes cool. We just brief and he goes, oh,

1182
00:54:11,176 --> 00:54:12,256
Speaker 5: by the way, I'm playing in a tournament for a

1183
00:54:12,296 --> 00:54:13,816
Speaker 5: million dollars coming up in a couple of days. Never

1184
00:54:13,816 --> 00:54:15,936
Speaker 5: played before my life. That's literally what he said to me.

1185
00:54:17,016 --> 00:54:19,976
Speaker 5: I mean that that's a paraphrase. And then he goes

1186
00:54:20,016 --> 00:54:23,696
Speaker 5: and plays and wins the thing. And so my instant

1187
00:54:23,776 --> 00:54:27,416
Speaker 5: question was is it so easy to play pickleball when

1188
00:54:27,416 --> 00:54:28,536
Speaker 5: you were so good at tennis?

1189
00:54:30,136 --> 00:54:30,336
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1190
00:54:30,536 --> 00:54:33,696
Speaker 8: I think I think it translates, right, I mean I think, like, yeah,

1191
00:54:33,896 --> 00:54:37,096
Speaker 8: it definitely translates. I mean, I'm playing other people this

1192
00:54:37,216 --> 00:54:39,776
Speaker 8: weekend who were also way better than me at tennis

1193
00:54:39,816 --> 00:54:41,136
Speaker 8: and way more accomplished, so.

1194
00:54:42,776 --> 00:54:44,616
Speaker 2: You know they're also a little older.

1195
00:54:45,016 --> 00:54:47,496
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean I generally think if if you

1196
00:54:47,536 --> 00:54:50,256
Speaker 8: ask someone did you play college tennis and they say yes,

1197
00:54:51,096 --> 00:54:54,296
Speaker 8: that they'll you know, generally be better than my neighbor

1198
00:54:54,296 --> 00:54:55,096
Speaker 8: Bob at pickleball.

1199
00:54:55,176 --> 00:54:56,696
Speaker 3: Don't use my name, because I feel like that was

1200
00:54:56,696 --> 00:54:57,256
Speaker 3: a shot at me.

1201
00:54:57,816 --> 00:54:58,696
Speaker 2: Sorry my neighbor.

1202
00:54:58,976 --> 00:55:03,016
Speaker 4: Uh Gregory, Okay, fair enough, fair, fair fair, but pickleball.

1203
00:55:03,096 --> 00:55:05,696
Speaker 4: When you when you started playing pickleball, how going to

1204
00:55:05,696 --> 00:55:07,296
Speaker 4: take you to pick up on the roles because I'm

1205
00:55:07,336 --> 00:55:08,616
Speaker 4: still just completely messing.

1206
00:55:08,616 --> 00:55:09,136
Speaker 6: I don't know the.

1207
00:55:10,696 --> 00:55:12,576
Speaker 4: Kitchen, all that stuff. I'm just sitting there going, what

1208
00:55:12,816 --> 00:55:13,855
Speaker 4: the hell are you guys talking about?

1209
00:55:14,656 --> 00:55:17,576
Speaker 8: Yeah, like if I was commissioner for a day. It's

1210
00:55:17,736 --> 00:55:22,176
Speaker 8: like the amount of stuff that they name a certain

1211
00:55:22,256 --> 00:55:25,376
Speaker 8: thing you have to switch sides on return depending on

1212
00:55:25,416 --> 00:55:27,416
Speaker 8: your evens and odds. It's like, bro, I didn't I

1213
00:55:27,416 --> 00:55:28,776
Speaker 8: didn't go to college. I don't want to do I

1214
00:55:28,776 --> 00:55:31,416
Speaker 8: didn't come out here to do like math, right. I mean,

1215
00:55:31,416 --> 00:55:34,496
Speaker 8: it's just there's so much stuff that doesn't really make sense.

1216
00:55:34,536 --> 00:55:34,976
Speaker 2: You'll see me.

1217
00:55:35,216 --> 00:55:38,536
Speaker 8: I have to play this Sunday and after every single point,

1218
00:55:38,696 --> 00:55:40,576
Speaker 8: which I did the first time he played two years ago.

1219
00:55:40,616 --> 00:55:42,176
Speaker 8: I will be looking at the ref saying, am I

1220
00:55:42,256 --> 00:55:43,896
Speaker 8: supposed to stand here right now?

1221
00:55:45,256 --> 00:55:47,656
Speaker 5: See, I feel like you're downplaying a little bit because

1222
00:55:47,656 --> 00:55:50,936
Speaker 5: you enjoy it more than you because you were very

1223
00:55:50,976 --> 00:55:53,376
Speaker 5: I think pickleball guy got on your nerves at first,

1224
00:55:53,416 --> 00:55:55,416
Speaker 5: which I can totally understand because if I were tennis guy,

1225
00:55:55,656 --> 00:55:57,896
Speaker 5: pickleball guy would get on my nerves. I'm pickleball guy.

1226
00:55:58,256 --> 00:56:01,976
Speaker 5: That would get like with people comparing the two. But

1227
00:56:02,176 --> 00:56:04,216
Speaker 5: now I think you enjoy it, but you've committed so

1228
00:56:04,376 --> 00:56:09,936
Speaker 5: hard to being tennis guy who recreation plays pickleball, but

1229
00:56:10,016 --> 00:56:12,376
Speaker 5: like talks about it like I don't really know the rules,

1230
00:56:12,656 --> 00:56:14,336
Speaker 5: but you really want to be pickleball guy.

1231
00:56:14,336 --> 00:56:15,056
Speaker 3: Any truth to that?

1232
00:56:16,016 --> 00:56:19,136
Speaker 8: No, the zero truth to that. So I literally so

1233
00:56:19,176 --> 00:56:22,896
Speaker 8: I played that deal two years ago, hadn't played again,

1234
00:56:23,696 --> 00:56:25,216
Speaker 8: which is how much I love it. I hadn't played

1235
00:56:25,216 --> 00:56:29,816
Speaker 8: again until about a month ago. And so now I have,

1236
00:56:30,136 --> 00:56:33,176
Speaker 8: you know, these practices scheduled, and the whole thing, I

1237
00:56:33,736 --> 00:56:36,936
Speaker 8: my thing is what one part of what you said

1238
00:56:36,976 --> 00:56:40,896
Speaker 8: is absolutely right, like comparing it in any way, shape

1239
00:56:40,976 --> 00:56:45,976
Speaker 8: or form to tennis. And also these statistics that drive

1240
00:56:46,016 --> 00:56:48,616
Speaker 8: me crazier like it's the fastest growing sport. I'm like, yeah, well,

1241
00:56:48,616 --> 00:56:50,456
Speaker 8: if you have seven people that play and then twenty

1242
00:56:50,496 --> 00:56:53,096
Speaker 8: one people play, you're the fastest growing sport. Like that

1243
00:56:53,176 --> 00:56:55,816
Speaker 8: doesn't really do much for sports that have been around

1244
00:56:55,816 --> 00:56:58,576
Speaker 8: for you know, one hundred years. But listen, I get

1245
00:56:58,616 --> 00:57:01,536
Speaker 8: the value of it at a club level, like the

1246
00:57:01,536 --> 00:57:04,696
Speaker 8: real estate, the fact that there's not an intimidating barrier

1247
00:57:04,736 --> 00:57:06,736
Speaker 8: to entry. And I'm not saying that's sarcastic that I

1248
00:57:06,736 --> 00:57:09,336
Speaker 8: really mean it. It has a lot going for it. Watching

1249
00:57:09,336 --> 00:57:13,176
Speaker 8: it on TV is this weird thing because it seems

1250
00:57:13,216 --> 00:57:16,576
Speaker 8: like the better you get, the slower the TV product becomes,

1251
00:57:16,616 --> 00:57:19,056
Speaker 8: which is not true for any other sport.

1252
00:57:19,576 --> 00:57:21,256
Speaker 4: So when you go to these ternaments and you play

1253
00:57:21,256 --> 00:57:24,896
Speaker 4: in this pickaball tournament, is it just your competitive competitive

1254
00:57:24,976 --> 00:57:25,816
Speaker 4: juices start.

1255
00:57:25,616 --> 00:57:27,776
Speaker 6: To go and you're like, Okay, look, I know, I

1256
00:57:27,816 --> 00:57:29,536
Speaker 6: know I can go out there and dominate, but like,

1257
00:57:29,576 --> 00:57:31,216
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, would you would to win?

1258
00:57:31,416 --> 00:57:31,576
Speaker 9: Right?

1259
00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:35,416
Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, I was legit when we did a thing

1260
00:57:35,456 --> 00:57:38,736
Speaker 8: two years ago, I was on. So also, all of

1261
00:57:38,736 --> 00:57:41,576
Speaker 8: these things are kind of an excuse and you'll you'll

1262
00:57:41,656 --> 00:57:44,016
Speaker 8: understand this, I'm sure in some way, shape or form.

1263
00:57:44,296 --> 00:57:46,376
Speaker 8: It's all an excuse to hang out with my idol.

1264
00:57:46,416 --> 00:57:49,176
Speaker 8: Who's Andre Agasi, right, If Andrea wants to play pickle

1265
00:57:49,216 --> 00:57:51,256
Speaker 8: I'm like, hell, yeah, let's play pickaball. That sounds great,

1266
00:57:51,296 --> 00:57:53,456
Speaker 8: Like I just completely sell he could he could want

1267
00:57:53,456 --> 00:57:55,136
Speaker 8: to like bake a cake, and I'd be like, yeah,

1268
00:57:55,136 --> 00:57:56,936
Speaker 8: I just kind of want to spend time with my idol.

1269
00:57:58,056 --> 00:58:00,056
Speaker 8: But yeah, absolutely am I going to go out there.

1270
00:58:00,096 --> 00:58:02,496
Speaker 8: And I was legit nervous during the first one because

1271
00:58:02,496 --> 00:58:03,496
Speaker 8: I didn't want to lose a mac and.

1272
00:58:03,536 --> 00:58:05,696
Speaker 2: Roe right, Like, who wants that guy trashed.

1273
00:58:05,416 --> 00:58:08,856
Speaker 8: Tucking you forever? So yes, yes I can. I can

1274
00:58:09,456 --> 00:58:12,136
Speaker 8: kind of love hate it and also want to win.

1275
00:58:12,216 --> 00:58:13,496
Speaker 2: When when when we get out.

1276
00:58:13,336 --> 00:58:16,816
Speaker 3: There, you ever jump into some pick up pickleball?

1277
00:58:19,096 --> 00:58:19,376
Speaker 7: Is there?

1278
00:58:19,936 --> 00:58:20,976
Speaker 2: I can't tell if you're joking.

1279
00:58:21,376 --> 00:58:24,696
Speaker 5: Well, okay, if I'm at the why and all of

1280
00:58:24,736 --> 00:58:27,536
Speaker 5: a sudden Kobe shows up, I'm like, well that's kind

1281
00:58:27,576 --> 00:58:31,176
Speaker 5: of wild. Kobe Bryant is jumping into a twenty four

1282
00:58:31,176 --> 00:58:32,536
Speaker 5: hour fitness basketball game.

1283
00:58:34,416 --> 00:58:36,816
Speaker 8: See now, that's so what your I know I never have,

1284
00:58:36,976 --> 00:58:42,536
Speaker 8: And that's where I would fear someone's like grandfather beating

1285
00:58:42,536 --> 00:58:45,736
Speaker 8: my ass in pick a ball like that. That that

1286
00:58:45,736 --> 00:58:47,376
Speaker 8: that what you just said scares me.

1287
00:58:48,456 --> 00:58:48,696
Speaker 6: Uh.

1288
00:58:48,736 --> 00:58:51,336
Speaker 4: You know what I'm always fascinated with is the journey

1289
00:58:51,336 --> 00:58:53,416
Speaker 4: for you guys in tennis. You guys start at much

1290
00:58:53,496 --> 00:58:57,056
Speaker 4: younger ages than other athletes you become professional. Talk to

1291
00:58:57,096 --> 00:59:01,256
Speaker 4: me about your regimen of just when you start playing

1292
00:59:01,536 --> 00:59:03,656
Speaker 4: playing tennis, right, and then you go to probably one

1293
00:59:03,656 --> 00:59:05,696
Speaker 4: of those academies or something like that, What did your

1294
00:59:05,776 --> 00:59:08,496
Speaker 4: daily routine look like? Because that fascinates me because you

1295
00:59:08,496 --> 00:59:11,376
Speaker 4: guys are some of the hardest working people I've ever seen.

1296
00:59:12,416 --> 00:59:14,736
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's a little weird, and I just think

1297
00:59:14,776 --> 00:59:17,296
Speaker 8: individual sports are also a little bit weird, you know,

1298
00:59:17,656 --> 00:59:18,456
Speaker 8: just generally.

1299
00:59:19,496 --> 00:59:21,896
Speaker 2: But like high school, it was woke up.

1300
00:59:22,056 --> 00:59:24,576
Speaker 8: I would have a practice in before school at seven thirty,

1301
00:59:24,576 --> 00:59:28,456
Speaker 8: so you'd wake up at like five, you'd basically practice.

1302
00:59:28,056 --> 00:59:28,896
Speaker 2: All day with school.

1303
00:59:28,936 --> 00:59:30,536
Speaker 8: Then you'd go to bed at nine, and then you'd

1304
00:59:30,576 --> 00:59:33,256
Speaker 8: wake up and do it again the next day. You know,

1305
00:59:33,336 --> 00:59:35,496
Speaker 8: So you're looking at six, seven, eight hours a day

1306
00:59:35,656 --> 00:59:39,776
Speaker 8: on court. It's not really a super like healthy existence,

1307
00:59:41,136 --> 00:59:42,856
Speaker 8: you know. For for all the players that make it,

1308
00:59:42,896 --> 00:59:46,056
Speaker 8: I think they're players that don't and are.

1309
00:59:46,016 --> 00:59:47,816
Speaker 2: Left with like not a lot of life skill, not

1310
00:59:47,856 --> 00:59:49,576
Speaker 2: a lot of something to kind of look back on.

1311
00:59:49,656 --> 00:59:51,176
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure.

1312
00:59:51,176 --> 00:59:53,896
Speaker 8: It's kind of like the healthiest existence. You're pretty isolated

1313
00:59:55,336 --> 00:59:58,296
Speaker 8: and it's feast or famine. Right, You're either there's one

1314
00:59:58,376 --> 01:00:01,136
Speaker 8: hundred jobs in the world basically where you make money, right,

1315
01:00:01,136 --> 01:00:03,456
Speaker 8: because if you don't play in the Grand Slams, then

1316
01:00:03,496 --> 01:00:06,736
Speaker 8: you're not making money, right. There's no alternate to wur

1317
01:00:06,816 --> 01:00:09,896
Speaker 8: there's no secondary leagues, and so it's a it's a

1318
01:00:09,896 --> 01:00:10,736
Speaker 8: bit of a weird deal.

1319
01:00:10,776 --> 01:00:13,496
Speaker 2: But yeah, you have to be a bit.

1320
01:00:13,336 --> 01:00:17,256
Speaker 8: Of a kind of an isolated psychopath to do well

1321
01:00:17,336 --> 01:00:19,696
Speaker 8: almost if you're too easy going. And that's what used

1322
01:00:19,736 --> 01:00:22,016
Speaker 8: to drive me crazy about losing to Roger all the time,

1323
01:00:22,096 --> 01:00:23,656
Speaker 8: is how balanced he seemed.

1324
01:00:23,576 --> 01:00:25,736
Speaker 2: While the rest of us were like psychos. That that

1325
01:00:25,736 --> 01:00:26,736
Speaker 2: that that was annoying.

1326
01:00:27,336 --> 01:00:28,976
Speaker 5: How odd was it to be way more famous in

1327
01:00:29,016 --> 01:00:33,256
Speaker 5: other countries because tennis was much more popular than in America.

1328
01:00:34,536 --> 01:00:35,136
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

1329
01:00:35,176 --> 01:00:37,656
Speaker 8: It's like it's like it's like when en Sinc had

1330
01:00:37,696 --> 01:00:40,256
Speaker 8: a song in Germany first, and then they would come

1331
01:00:40,336 --> 01:00:41,256
Speaker 8: home to their quiet.

1332
01:00:41,696 --> 01:00:43,216
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's strange. I mean, it's you.

1333
01:00:43,136 --> 01:00:45,176
Speaker 8: Know, you know, I can speak to it is like

1334
01:00:45,176 --> 01:00:47,896
Speaker 8: an NFL here dominates everything, so if you're not you know,

1335
01:00:48,056 --> 01:00:50,456
Speaker 8: NFL or NBA, you kind of aren't you know, even

1336
01:00:50,496 --> 01:00:53,176
Speaker 8: an athlete. And then you go to you know, Australia

1337
01:00:53,296 --> 01:00:55,976
Speaker 8: where they're doing the national news from the tennis venue

1338
01:00:56,216 --> 01:00:59,496
Speaker 8: during during the tournament, and where you know, London, where

1339
01:00:59,536 --> 01:01:01,896
Speaker 8: people you know will wait for three days for an

1340
01:01:01,936 --> 01:01:03,816
Speaker 8: average ticket to the to the stuff.

1341
01:01:03,856 --> 01:01:05,856
Speaker 2: So it actually would great.

1342
01:01:06,856 --> 01:01:09,216
Speaker 8: I think it was kind of like best case scenario,

1343
01:01:09,896 --> 01:01:12,056
Speaker 8: you know, where you you travel home to your piece

1344
01:01:12,056 --> 01:01:14,256
Speaker 8: as opposed to you know, kind of traveling to your

1345
01:01:14,296 --> 01:01:15,696
Speaker 8: piece to work.

1346
01:01:16,176 --> 01:01:17,216
Speaker 2: I actually thought it was great.

1347
01:01:18,296 --> 01:01:20,816
Speaker 4: So when you win one of these major tournaments, right,

1348
01:01:21,376 --> 01:01:23,816
Speaker 4: I'm used to that locker room, right, you got a

1349
01:01:23,816 --> 01:01:26,016
Speaker 4: lot of people to celebrate with, But would you guys

1350
01:01:26,016 --> 01:01:28,536
Speaker 4: go out and rage with the group that you're with, Like,

1351
01:01:28,616 --> 01:01:31,776
Speaker 4: tell me you just beer showers something I don't know.

1352
01:01:31,896 --> 01:01:35,176
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll tell you this. When when I won

1353
01:01:35,256 --> 01:01:37,896
Speaker 2: the US Open, I had also turned twenty one, like

1354
01:01:37,936 --> 01:01:41,936
Speaker 2: five days earlier. So that was a mess. That was

1355
01:01:41,976 --> 01:01:43,376
Speaker 2: an absolute mess of a night.

1356
01:01:43,376 --> 01:01:46,496
Speaker 8: But yeah, you're you know, you're drinking, and tennis is

1357
01:01:47,416 --> 01:01:51,336
Speaker 8: it's an individual sport, but your team still really matters,

1358
01:01:51,376 --> 01:01:54,496
Speaker 8: and maybe even more so because you know, I'm assuming

1359
01:01:54,496 --> 01:01:56,816
Speaker 8: this wasn't the case for you in football, but.

1360
01:01:58,296 --> 01:02:00,416
Speaker 2: You know I don't.

1361
01:02:00,776 --> 01:02:02,896
Speaker 8: I spent two hundred and fifty nights a year with

1362
01:02:03,256 --> 01:02:06,656
Speaker 8: my PT and my coach right there. It's dinner, whether

1363
01:02:06,736 --> 01:02:08,696
Speaker 8: it's all of our treatment is done like in a

1364
01:02:08,696 --> 01:02:11,136
Speaker 8: hotel room and not you know, a venue or a

1365
01:02:11,176 --> 01:02:15,496
Speaker 8: practice facility. So it's kind of strange. I spent seventy

1366
01:02:15,536 --> 01:02:19,656
Speaker 8: percent of my life for twelve or thirteen years with

1367
01:02:19,816 --> 01:02:23,896
Speaker 8: these people who were there specifically for my orbit, so

1368
01:02:23,936 --> 01:02:24,856
Speaker 8: the bonds are strong.

1369
01:02:24,976 --> 01:02:26,216
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is.

1370
01:02:26,296 --> 01:02:29,856
Speaker 8: It is kind of weird celebrations aside. It's even weirder

1371
01:02:29,896 --> 01:02:32,856
Speaker 8: when you're about to go play like a Wimbledon final,

1372
01:02:32,896 --> 01:02:34,736
Speaker 8: and you're the only two people in a locker room

1373
01:02:34,736 --> 01:02:36,496
Speaker 8: and you're only ten yards away from each other for

1374
01:02:36,536 --> 01:02:39,056
Speaker 8: most of the day leading in right, so all your

1375
01:02:39,056 --> 01:02:41,216
Speaker 8: prep work is with a witness, and your witness is

1376
01:02:41,216 --> 01:02:43,936
Speaker 8: the person you're playing against. So that at the time

1377
01:02:43,976 --> 01:02:45,576
Speaker 8: it just seemed normal, And then as I have some

1378
01:02:45,656 --> 01:02:47,776
Speaker 8: space from it, I'm like that that's super weird.

1379
01:02:48,776 --> 01:02:51,336
Speaker 5: The different kinds of courts you would play on in tennis,

1380
01:02:52,176 --> 01:02:56,296
Speaker 5: clay and clay, the bald in balance is hard, which

1381
01:02:56,656 --> 01:02:59,176
Speaker 5: wasn't as advantageous to you because you were a power hitter.

1382
01:03:00,056 --> 01:03:03,696
Speaker 5: Grass and then hard courts and the hard court I

1383
01:03:03,696 --> 01:03:06,456
Speaker 5: think you probably prefer the most right because the harder

1384
01:03:06,496 --> 01:03:08,496
Speaker 5: you hit, the faster the ball reacts.

1385
01:03:09,296 --> 01:03:10,896
Speaker 8: It's the way it bounces. So if you were to

1386
01:03:10,936 --> 01:03:14,696
Speaker 8: take a if you had like a this boarrior football

1387
01:03:15,216 --> 01:03:18,136
Speaker 8: listeners to tears, if you if you were to like

1388
01:03:18,176 --> 01:03:20,616
Speaker 8: throw a ball across like a wood lamond desk, you

1389
01:03:20,696 --> 01:03:22,776
Speaker 8: with skid, right, And so that's what I was looking for.

1390
01:03:22,816 --> 01:03:25,136
Speaker 8: I was looking for that skid whereas clay because of

1391
01:03:25,656 --> 01:03:27,416
Speaker 8: you know, the way it hits. It hits and checks,

1392
01:03:27,656 --> 01:03:30,376
Speaker 8: so it slows everything down a little bit.

1393
01:03:30,376 --> 01:03:32,496
Speaker 2: So I wanted a little bit of skid to it.

1394
01:03:32,496 --> 01:03:34,816
Speaker 8: It's I guess it's not dissimilar to like you think

1395
01:03:34,816 --> 01:03:37,376
Speaker 8: of like the early aughts rams right where they're in

1396
01:03:37,416 --> 01:03:39,056
Speaker 8: a dome and they're going to run through you, but

1397
01:03:39,096 --> 01:03:41,176
Speaker 8: all of a sudden, you give them some snow and

1398
01:03:41,216 --> 01:03:42,896
Speaker 8: you give them something else to deal with, and it

1399
01:03:42,976 --> 01:03:46,136
Speaker 8: changes the dynamic of of of everything. You know that

1400
01:03:46,136 --> 01:03:50,056
Speaker 8: that's kind of the surface dependency that we we deal

1401
01:03:50,056 --> 01:03:51,896
Speaker 8: with in tennis. I like grass the most. It just

1402
01:03:52,136 --> 01:03:53,536
Speaker 8: sucked that the guy that I was trying to beat.

1403
01:03:53,576 --> 01:03:54,416
Speaker 8: Also like grass the.

1404
01:03:54,336 --> 01:03:57,416
Speaker 4: Most, well, it is your favorite venue that you would

1405
01:03:57,496 --> 01:03:58,496
Speaker 4: compete at.

1406
01:03:59,256 --> 01:04:03,896
Speaker 8: Our cathedral is are like Wrigley Field, Senway is is Wimbledon.

1407
01:04:04,616 --> 01:04:07,256
Speaker 8: It's it's it's They have all those traditions, but you

1408
01:04:07,256 --> 01:04:09,056
Speaker 8: don't feel like they're just for the sake of tradition.

1409
01:04:10,096 --> 01:04:12,616
Speaker 8: It's weird, like every event, every major year is kind

1410
01:04:12,616 --> 01:04:14,416
Speaker 8: of like a microcosm of where it's played. You know,

1411
01:04:14,536 --> 01:04:16,776
Speaker 8: you get to Australia, it's summertime there, everyone's in a

1412
01:04:16,816 --> 01:04:21,016
Speaker 8: good mood, just crushing beers around the grounds. Everyone's generally happy.

1413
01:04:21,376 --> 01:04:23,216
Speaker 8: You go to you know, the French Open and there's

1414
01:04:23,296 --> 01:04:26,456
Speaker 8: just not quite enough room to move around, so everyone's.

1415
01:04:26,136 --> 01:04:27,456
Speaker 2: Kind of in a bad mood. You go to London,

1416
01:04:27,496 --> 01:04:28,856
Speaker 2: it's that way US Open.

1417
01:04:28,896 --> 01:04:31,336
Speaker 8: It's like fireworks and music and it honestly looks like

1418
01:04:31,336 --> 01:04:34,456
Speaker 8: an NFL production a little bit, but it is kind

1419
01:04:34,456 --> 01:04:36,936
Speaker 8: of representative of like that New York City of things.

1420
01:04:37,696 --> 01:04:40,256
Speaker 8: I'm always partial like you walk into to this day,

1421
01:04:40,296 --> 01:04:42,216
Speaker 8: I'll walk into the All England Club and kind of

1422
01:04:42,336 --> 01:04:43,376
Speaker 8: lose my breath a little bit.

1423
01:04:43,696 --> 01:04:46,056
Speaker 5: One of the things that one of the memories that

1424
01:04:46,096 --> 01:04:48,296
Speaker 5: I have of when you were home, because you'd be

1425
01:04:48,336 --> 01:04:49,936
Speaker 5: gone nine months of the year to be home for

1426
01:04:50,176 --> 01:04:53,136
Speaker 5: two or three and that's when we would actually spend

1427
01:04:53,176 --> 01:04:55,336
Speaker 5: time together. But I remember people would just come to

1428
01:04:55,376 --> 01:04:56,656
Speaker 5: your house and knock on the door and you'd have

1429
01:04:56,696 --> 01:04:58,816
Speaker 5: to pee in a cup like that. I remember the

1430
01:04:59,376 --> 01:05:01,976
Speaker 5: drug testing and that's not even when you're on the road,

1431
01:05:01,976 --> 01:05:04,416
Speaker 5: because I wasn't with you very rarely was I with

1432
01:05:04,456 --> 01:05:06,136
Speaker 5: you on the road, but they would come to your

1433
01:05:06,136 --> 01:05:09,016
Speaker 5: house and not because and the drug testing was so stringent.

1434
01:05:09,856 --> 01:05:12,096
Speaker 3: Is that is that still happened now? And is that

1435
01:05:12,176 --> 01:05:13,896
Speaker 3: Olympic drug testing you had to do then?

1436
01:05:14,936 --> 01:05:15,256
Speaker 2: Yes?

1437
01:05:15,456 --> 01:05:17,896
Speaker 8: So, well it's it's so we're involved in a lot

1438
01:05:17,936 --> 01:05:19,456
Speaker 8: of different stuff. And this is one of the things

1439
01:05:19,496 --> 01:05:21,496
Speaker 8: that sucks about playing in a million different countries. So

1440
01:05:22,056 --> 01:05:24,776
Speaker 8: you could land somewhere and this is on the road

1441
01:05:24,776 --> 01:05:25,776
Speaker 8: and I'll get to the home piece of it in

1442
01:05:25,776 --> 01:05:27,296
Speaker 8: a second, but you could land somewhere and you could

1443
01:05:27,296 --> 01:05:31,136
Speaker 8: be tested by you know, the French Federation for whatever reason,

1444
01:05:31,176 --> 01:05:33,496
Speaker 8: just because you're playing at Roland Garros. You could be

1445
01:05:33,496 --> 01:05:37,416
Speaker 8: tested by the IOC wata it i A. And that's

1446
01:05:37,456 --> 01:05:40,056
Speaker 8: before we get to the actual tour and so and

1447
01:05:40,096 --> 01:05:42,816
Speaker 8: they also wait it, right, So the the better you are,

1448
01:05:42,856 --> 01:05:46,056
Speaker 8: the more you kind of get get tested. But we

1449
01:05:46,096 --> 01:05:48,896
Speaker 8: are on the IOC program and you remember the gymnasts

1450
01:05:48,936 --> 01:05:51,976
Speaker 8: got her metal taken away, you know however many Olympics

1451
01:05:52,016 --> 01:05:54,696
Speaker 8: ago because she had SUDA fed And so that's what

1452
01:05:54,696 --> 01:05:56,776
Speaker 8: we're dealing with, is like you can have you know,

1453
01:05:56,856 --> 01:05:59,616
Speaker 8: athletes foot foot powder and test positive for it. And

1454
01:05:59,656 --> 01:06:03,136
Speaker 8: I actually make the argument on our podcast Serve that

1455
01:06:03,416 --> 01:06:06,496
Speaker 8: why are we testing for thresholds of things like the

1456
01:06:06,496 --> 01:06:09,976
Speaker 8: egos fianceek just got. She's now cleared, but she had

1457
01:06:09,976 --> 01:06:14,456
Speaker 8: a contaminated bottle of melatonin and the levels.

1458
01:06:14,136 --> 01:06:16,096
Speaker 2: That she tested positive positive.

1459
01:06:15,696 --> 01:06:19,776
Speaker 8: For were so low that, you know, every scientist and

1460
01:06:19,816 --> 01:06:22,336
Speaker 8: every tribunal said they didn't actually affect performance. And then

1461
01:06:22,496 --> 01:06:25,496
Speaker 8: so I'm going, why are we testing for thresholds that

1462
01:06:25,696 --> 01:06:27,896
Speaker 8: don't actually affect performance?

1463
01:06:27,976 --> 01:06:30,496
Speaker 2: But it's twofold, right, because.

1464
01:06:30,216 --> 01:06:32,896
Speaker 8: You never really look across the person you're playing and say,

1465
01:06:32,976 --> 01:06:36,136
Speaker 8: you know, they're most likely getting away with something, you know,

1466
01:06:36,256 --> 01:06:39,176
Speaker 8: because our drug testing is so stringent, and also it

1467
01:06:39,256 --> 01:06:42,096
Speaker 8: leads to a lot of kind of flimsy cases where

1468
01:06:42,576 --> 01:06:45,496
Speaker 8: it's it kind of comes down to being unlucky, which

1469
01:06:45,576 --> 01:06:49,096
Speaker 8: I don't think should ever dictate the decision on penalties

1470
01:06:49,176 --> 01:06:49,696
Speaker 8: or suspension.

1471
01:06:49,936 --> 01:06:51,856
Speaker 3: But they would just show up, like you again at

1472
01:06:51,856 --> 01:06:53,256
Speaker 3: your house at five and the.

1473
01:06:53,536 --> 01:06:56,096
Speaker 8: More we had to Yeah, so we had to every

1474
01:06:56,136 --> 01:07:00,456
Speaker 8: single day, we had to have like an hour that

1475
01:07:00,856 --> 01:07:03,096
Speaker 8: we had to be available for testing. Now that doesn't

1476
01:07:03,096 --> 01:07:05,016
Speaker 8: mean you got tested every day. It means on those

1477
01:07:05,456 --> 01:07:08,176
Speaker 8: fifteen or twenty at home tests a year, you still

1478
01:07:08,176 --> 01:07:09,936
Speaker 8: had to be available for when they didn't come. So

1479
01:07:09,936 --> 01:07:11,456
Speaker 8: I would always choose five to six in the morning

1480
01:07:11,456 --> 01:07:13,856
Speaker 8: because that's the only time I could guarantee that i'd

1481
01:07:13,896 --> 01:07:17,256
Speaker 8: be home. But yeah, they'd knock on your door. And

1482
01:07:17,296 --> 01:07:19,096
Speaker 8: then if you have you know, I think it's three

1483
01:07:19,096 --> 01:07:22,376
Speaker 8: failed tests, then it's automatic suspension, not failed tests, sorry,

1484
01:07:23,416 --> 01:07:25,896
Speaker 8: absent tests. So if you weren't there, So to give

1485
01:07:26,056 --> 01:07:28,256
Speaker 8: like life context when I'm trying to explain it to people,

1486
01:07:28,256 --> 01:07:29,816
Speaker 8: I said, if if my wife and I wanted to

1487
01:07:29,816 --> 01:07:32,176
Speaker 8: go we were in Austin at the time, we wanted

1488
01:07:32,176 --> 01:07:34,376
Speaker 8: to go up to San Antonio to the Riverwalk, we

1489
01:07:34,376 --> 01:07:37,136
Speaker 8: would have to check in get our room number. I

1490
01:07:37,136 --> 01:07:39,896
Speaker 8: would have to email our lady, who would then email

1491
01:07:39,936 --> 01:07:42,096
Speaker 8: the doping authorities just in case they wanted to stop

1492
01:07:42,096 --> 01:07:43,576
Speaker 8: by a room at five or six in the morning

1493
01:07:44,496 --> 01:07:45,456
Speaker 8: to test.

1494
01:07:45,936 --> 01:07:47,816
Speaker 4: And was it always the creepy guy that would come

1495
01:07:47,856 --> 01:07:49,736
Speaker 4: in and make you like face him and stare at

1496
01:07:49,776 --> 01:07:51,456
Speaker 4: you while you're going to the restroom, like.

1497
01:07:51,616 --> 01:07:53,456
Speaker 3: Where it's a pretty invasive procedure.

1498
01:07:53,976 --> 01:07:55,696
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there were.

1499
01:07:55,776 --> 01:07:57,696
Speaker 2: There weren't a lot. There weren't a lot of secrets

1500
01:07:57,736 --> 01:07:58,376
Speaker 2: in that room.

1501
01:07:59,456 --> 01:08:01,776
Speaker 5: Was it a like a part of your life too,

1502
01:08:01,776 --> 01:08:05,976
Speaker 5: where you couldn't take certain things or supplements in medicine

1503
01:08:05,976 --> 01:08:07,896
Speaker 5: that had nothing to do with performance in any way,

1504
01:08:08,176 --> 01:08:10,376
Speaker 5: but because of what was in it, you were like, well,

1505
01:08:10,656 --> 01:08:12,016
Speaker 5: I'm not even going to mess around with that.

1506
01:08:12,896 --> 01:08:16,455
Speaker 8: Yes, I was like kind of scared of supplements honestly,

1507
01:08:17,055 --> 01:08:19,176
Speaker 8: and it was supplements through food. And you have to

1508
01:08:19,296 --> 01:08:22,016
Speaker 8: understand that we call it aspirin in on the legal

1509
01:08:22,136 --> 01:08:24,976
Speaker 8: forms that you're sending to your trainers or whatever. It's

1510
01:08:25,016 --> 01:08:28,416
Speaker 8: like aspirin is spelled with you know, four x's, twenty

1511
01:08:28,456 --> 01:08:31,176
Speaker 8: seven vowels, a Y and something else that you would

1512
01:08:31,176 --> 01:08:33,816
Speaker 8: never recognize, right, So you you actually have to have

1513
01:08:33,896 --> 01:08:37,296
Speaker 8: someone who's well versed in just generally kind of smarter

1514
01:08:37,496 --> 01:08:38,696
Speaker 8: than I have ever been.

1515
01:08:39,056 --> 01:08:40,256
Speaker 2: Take a look at these things.

1516
01:08:40,856 --> 01:08:44,176
Speaker 8: And so it's a pretty intimidating prospect all around, and

1517
01:08:44,176 --> 01:08:46,096
Speaker 8: it's gotten a little sideways now in tennis because you

1518
01:08:46,136 --> 01:08:48,816
Speaker 8: see the headlines where it's like she outsack fails doping tests,

1519
01:08:48,816 --> 01:08:52,576
Speaker 8: and it's like, well, yeah, she had melatonin, you know,

1520
01:08:52,616 --> 01:08:54,216
Speaker 8: which like I went on I think the next day,

1521
01:08:54,216 --> 01:08:56,696
Speaker 8: I'm like, I've had melatonin this week, you know, like

1522
01:08:56,736 --> 01:09:00,736
Speaker 8: four times. So it's a slippery slope in this culture

1523
01:09:00,736 --> 01:09:03,776
Speaker 8: where we kind of deal in headlines, it's oftentimes a

1524
01:09:03,816 --> 01:09:07,096
Speaker 8: bad look for tennis. And then once you kind of

1525
01:09:07,096 --> 01:09:10,536
Speaker 8: get into the details of a given case, it's not

1526
01:09:10,616 --> 01:09:14,416
Speaker 8: like someone's just like smoking Balco and putting like anabolic

1527
01:09:14,416 --> 01:09:18,256
Speaker 8: steroids into their bodies that would be caught immediately, right,

1528
01:09:18,256 --> 01:09:20,136
Speaker 8: So the upside just isn't there. I just I have

1529
01:09:20,136 --> 01:09:22,216
Speaker 8: a hard time believing that these athletes like Center and

1530
01:09:22,216 --> 01:09:25,215
Speaker 8: fianceec would take on these risks for minimal benefit.

1531
01:09:26,216 --> 01:09:29,095
Speaker 4: When I look at the environment of a tennis stadium,

1532
01:09:29,496 --> 01:09:32,976
Speaker 4: it's very traditional, it's stoic, it's quiet. Yeah, do you

1533
01:09:32,976 --> 01:09:34,776
Speaker 4: think that you guys would still be able to perform

1534
01:09:34,816 --> 01:09:37,216
Speaker 4: the same way if the crowd was just into it

1535
01:09:38,016 --> 01:09:42,616
Speaker 4: every swing, every serve, you know, like loud, rambunctious, or

1536
01:09:42,616 --> 01:09:44,776
Speaker 4: do you think that that's got to be the environment.

1537
01:09:44,416 --> 01:09:45,176
Speaker 6: That you guys play in.

1538
01:09:46,216 --> 01:09:49,055
Speaker 2: Yeah, well so we have. It's a question.

1539
01:09:49,096 --> 01:09:51,216
Speaker 8: I could asked a lot, and I'm all for, Like,

1540
01:09:51,976 --> 01:09:54,536
Speaker 8: I want crazier stuff in tennis, right, I think it

1541
01:09:54,536 --> 01:09:56,576
Speaker 8: needs to change the way we cover it needs to change,

1542
01:09:57,056 --> 01:09:59,976
Speaker 8: so I'm not stuck in the mud. The difference is

1543
01:09:59,976 --> 01:10:03,656
Speaker 8: is if you're in baseball, you can't hear someone pitch, right.

1544
01:10:03,776 --> 01:10:06,656
Speaker 8: Someone doesn't hear you throw. You don't hear someone catch.

1545
01:10:07,336 --> 01:10:10,056
Speaker 8: The impact of the ball is my first clue as

1546
01:10:10,096 --> 01:10:12,736
Speaker 8: to what's coming, right, like the way it's hit, whether

1547
01:10:12,776 --> 01:10:15,216
Speaker 8: it's you know, underspin or top or flat or like

1548
01:10:15,256 --> 01:10:18,336
Speaker 8: I can tell instantly on a serve and at that

1549
01:10:18,416 --> 01:10:20,376
Speaker 8: point you have, you know, a quarter of a second

1550
01:10:20,416 --> 01:10:23,055
Speaker 8: to react. But my first tell is how it sounds

1551
01:10:23,096 --> 01:10:25,976
Speaker 8: coming off the racket. So yeah, we could play, but

1552
01:10:26,416 --> 01:10:29,256
Speaker 8: I don't think the quality of product would be as

1553
01:10:29,296 --> 01:10:32,776
Speaker 8: good because you would be taking away, you know, basically

1554
01:10:32,816 --> 01:10:35,576
Speaker 8: our first clue as to what's coming.

1555
01:10:36,136 --> 01:10:37,616
Speaker 3: You think I could beat you a pickle ball? Now?

1556
01:10:38,816 --> 01:10:41,136
Speaker 8: No, And I think I actually, I actually, I'm glad

1557
01:10:41,136 --> 01:10:46,016
Speaker 8: you brought that up. I think no, But I've also

1558
01:10:46,096 --> 01:10:49,256
Speaker 8: invited myself over to try to play many times, and

1559
01:10:49,296 --> 01:10:51,295
Speaker 8: I think that you just like being the best pickaball

1560
01:10:51,336 --> 01:10:53,056
Speaker 8: player in your group of friends, so you won't let

1561
01:10:53,056 --> 01:10:53,376
Speaker 8: me come.

1562
01:10:54,016 --> 01:10:54,736
Speaker 6: Are you the best?

1563
01:10:55,536 --> 01:10:59,055
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, no, Yah, heels like his pickle crew.

1564
01:10:59,456 --> 01:11:01,376
Speaker 8: But I don't know that he would want me to

1565
01:11:01,656 --> 01:11:04,016
Speaker 8: come in because I think he's established dominance inside of

1566
01:11:04,016 --> 01:11:04,496
Speaker 8: his group.

1567
01:11:05,016 --> 01:11:07,096
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's a bit of a bit of

1568
01:11:07,176 --> 01:11:07,736
Speaker 3: truth to that.

1569
01:11:07,816 --> 01:11:12,976
Speaker 5: However, I someone that comes in for an exhibition doesn't

1570
01:11:13,016 --> 01:11:14,696
Speaker 5: count against my record, you know, if he's not like

1571
01:11:14,696 --> 01:11:15,016
Speaker 5: part of the.

1572
01:11:15,016 --> 01:11:16,296
Speaker 3: Crew, that's just an exhibition match.

1573
01:11:16,336 --> 01:11:19,136
Speaker 5: And but yeah, Andy and I've been friends for a

1574
01:11:19,176 --> 01:11:23,135
Speaker 5: long time. We have friends like that we're very close

1575
01:11:23,176 --> 01:11:27,856
Speaker 5: to separately, and that they and even our very mutual

1576
01:11:27,896 --> 01:11:29,576
Speaker 5: close friend. It's like, I don't know, Bobby, I think

1577
01:11:29,576 --> 01:11:31,816
Speaker 5: you could really push him. So you think there's no

1578
01:11:32,136 --> 01:11:32,736
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1579
01:11:33,016 --> 01:11:33,976
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1580
01:11:34,056 --> 01:11:34,416
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1581
01:11:34,416 --> 01:11:35,376
Speaker 3: You don't think there's any show.

1582
01:11:35,576 --> 01:11:38,016
Speaker 8: I don't you play more than I do. You're more

1583
01:11:38,016 --> 01:11:39,936
Speaker 8: well versed in it, you know more stuff than I do.

1584
01:11:40,456 --> 01:11:44,016
Speaker 2: I don't know. I would take that bet.

1585
01:11:44,456 --> 01:11:46,376
Speaker 4: I would double down on that bet. I kind of

1586
01:11:46,376 --> 01:11:48,416
Speaker 4: want to see I want to see this. I want

1587
01:11:48,456 --> 01:11:50,135
Speaker 4: to see this. I'm just gonna go with the professional.

1588
01:11:50,336 --> 01:11:52,616
Speaker 5: I'm not even saying player. I'm not even saying it's true.

1589
01:11:52,656 --> 01:11:53,736
Speaker 5: I don't know that it's true.

1590
01:11:54,216 --> 01:11:56,936
Speaker 4: You know you've got confidence that problem like this, I

1591
01:11:57,016 --> 01:11:58,536
Speaker 4: have irrational confidence.

1592
01:11:59,176 --> 01:12:00,656
Speaker 2: There's the easiest thing ever, Bobby.

1593
01:12:00,736 --> 01:12:02,976
Speaker 8: Let's let's let's find the charity of a given choice

1594
01:12:03,016 --> 01:12:03,736
Speaker 8: and we'll just do it.

1595
01:12:03,736 --> 01:12:04,536
Speaker 2: No problem.

1596
01:12:04,816 --> 01:12:06,736
Speaker 5: You're acting like I'm sitting here screaming I'm going to

1597
01:12:06,776 --> 01:12:08,736
Speaker 5: beat you. I have not said that.

1598
01:12:08,936 --> 01:12:11,336
Speaker 4: No, but he just said challenge accepted. He said challenge,

1599
01:12:11,336 --> 01:12:12,496
Speaker 4: except I said I don't don't.

1600
01:12:12,576 --> 01:12:14,976
Speaker 8: I don't know either, But like, I think it's worth

1601
01:12:15,016 --> 01:12:17,736
Speaker 8: an afternoon of finding out, because the curiosity is killing

1602
01:12:17,736 --> 01:12:18,336
Speaker 8: me at this point.

1603
01:12:18,496 --> 01:12:20,336
Speaker 5: I think another thing that will be funny is if

1604
01:12:20,336 --> 01:12:22,896
Speaker 5: we hop in a little tournament and we don't say

1605
01:12:22,896 --> 01:12:24,896
Speaker 5: I'm just like, hey, I'm gonna play in a little

1606
01:12:24,936 --> 01:12:25,456
Speaker 5: charity tournament.

1607
01:12:25,456 --> 01:12:30,256
Speaker 3: I show up with a Randy Rogers and I think

1608
01:12:30,536 --> 01:12:31,256
Speaker 3: that would be fun.

1609
01:12:31,496 --> 01:12:34,416
Speaker 8: I owe you, I owe you a million times for

1610
01:12:34,496 --> 01:12:36,536
Speaker 8: a million things. So say the word and I'm in.

1611
01:12:36,816 --> 01:12:38,656
Speaker 3: Did you have a favorite NFL team growing up?

1612
01:12:40,096 --> 01:12:40,776
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was.

1613
01:12:40,976 --> 01:12:42,976
Speaker 8: I was a Texas kid in like the early nineties,

1614
01:12:43,016 --> 01:12:46,056
Speaker 8: so you know, you kind of watch the Cowboys and

1615
01:12:46,056 --> 01:12:49,656
Speaker 8: the Akman's and the Smiths and the Urbans, and you

1616
01:12:49,696 --> 01:12:52,896
Speaker 8: know kind of those years of those teams versus and

1617
01:12:52,936 --> 01:12:55,696
Speaker 8: then kind of when the Niners came to eat their lunch,

1618
01:12:55,816 --> 01:12:57,936
Speaker 8: you know, ninety four ninety five, that that was kind

1619
01:12:57,976 --> 01:13:02,176
Speaker 8: of my peak NFL fandom beyond like a fantasy, self

1620
01:13:02,176 --> 01:13:03,016
Speaker 8: serving perspective.

1621
01:13:03,576 --> 01:13:12,616
Speaker 5: A favorite player growing up up as in football.

1622
01:13:09,416 --> 01:13:12,656
Speaker 8: Probably Emmett Smith. I think I feel like that's the

1623
01:13:12,696 --> 01:13:15,776
Speaker 8: only jersey that that I ever had. I think that

1624
01:13:15,776 --> 01:13:19,336
Speaker 8: that favorite players aged well too, right, like nothing weird

1625
01:13:19,376 --> 01:13:21,055
Speaker 8: has happened with him, which I think is good.

1626
01:13:21,696 --> 01:13:24,456
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's tough nowadays because everything now and yes.

1627
01:13:24,376 --> 01:13:25,576
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything exists.

1628
01:13:25,696 --> 01:13:29,096
Speaker 6: Did you actually watch the Super Bowl at all?

1629
01:13:30,016 --> 01:13:30,696
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did.

1630
01:13:32,176 --> 01:13:35,616
Speaker 8: It was I'm curious, obviously you know this this backwards,

1631
01:13:35,656 --> 01:13:38,936
Speaker 8: but it's just you kind of remember those moments where

1632
01:13:38,976 --> 01:13:39,936
Speaker 8: there are these like.

1633
01:13:40,136 --> 01:13:42,536
Speaker 2: Legendary mythical players and.

1634
01:13:42,496 --> 01:13:47,095
Speaker 8: Teams, and you remember the first time that they got beat,

1635
01:13:47,576 --> 01:13:51,135
Speaker 8: like really beat right, like not like close, but like beat,

1636
01:13:51,216 --> 01:13:54,296
Speaker 8: And I was I was stunned. And you know, I'm

1637
01:13:54,576 --> 01:13:57,576
Speaker 8: sure as many of us were. But you know, you're

1638
01:13:57,616 --> 01:14:00,095
Speaker 8: the expert. I couldn't see one part of the game

1639
01:14:00,176 --> 01:14:03,016
Speaker 8: where where where they weren't beaten soundly, and it was

1640
01:14:03,096 --> 01:14:06,016
Speaker 8: it was weird to see because you know they're they're

1641
01:14:06,056 --> 01:14:09,055
Speaker 8: one of the best teams ever. And it just goes

1642
01:14:09,096 --> 01:14:11,296
Speaker 8: to show you it's what makes sports beautiful. It doesn't

1643
01:14:11,336 --> 01:14:14,095
Speaker 8: matter what you've done, it matters what you're doing that day.

1644
01:14:14,256 --> 01:14:16,856
Speaker 8: And that's that's that's why I love sports. It's like

1645
01:14:16,896 --> 01:14:17,976
Speaker 8: the ultimate reality show.

1646
01:14:18,256 --> 01:14:19,296
Speaker 3: Pick a Ball Slam three.

1647
01:14:19,336 --> 01:14:23,016
Speaker 5: The duel in the Desert is happening Mandalay Bay in

1648
01:14:23,176 --> 01:14:28,376
Speaker 5: Vegas on Sunday, so ESPN will televise it. You can watch.

1649
01:14:28,536 --> 01:14:31,216
Speaker 5: I will be watching. I'll be rooting for you, and

1650
01:14:31,256 --> 01:14:33,215
Speaker 5: you win money. Right, this is our thing. You're competing

1651
01:14:33,216 --> 01:14:33,936
Speaker 5: for prize money.

1652
01:14:35,096 --> 01:14:37,816
Speaker 8: We so this one is not the purse like last time.

1653
01:14:37,856 --> 01:14:40,616
Speaker 8: But the way that I understand it is that we

1654
01:14:40,656 --> 01:14:44,816
Speaker 8: get paid X which is not nothing, and then if

1655
01:14:44,816 --> 01:14:47,056
Speaker 8: we win, we get to net We basically become the

1656
01:14:47,136 --> 01:14:52,215
Speaker 8: champs and get another get another payday. So we're basically

1657
01:14:52,256 --> 01:14:55,136
Speaker 8: playing for the next one. Uh, we get to kind

1658
01:14:55,136 --> 01:14:55,736
Speaker 8: of hold court.

1659
01:14:55,816 --> 01:14:56,376
Speaker 2: If if we.

1660
01:14:56,376 --> 01:14:59,416
Speaker 6: Win, let's go. I know you're gonna be doing your scouting.

1661
01:14:59,656 --> 01:15:03,056
Speaker 5: I don't need, guess, I don't I don't need I

1662
01:15:03,056 --> 01:15:04,776
Speaker 5: don't need a scout. I'm gonna play them on clay

1663
01:15:04,776 --> 01:15:10,376
Speaker 5: though I want. I'm to get all right, good luck,

1664
01:15:10,416 --> 01:15:12,136
Speaker 5: Love you buddy, talk to you soon, and thanks for

1665
01:15:12,136 --> 01:15:13,095
Speaker 5: coming on with us.

1666
01:15:13,496 --> 01:15:14,936
Speaker 2: All right, guys anytime. Thank you.

1667
01:15:15,536 --> 01:15:18,336
Speaker 5: By the way, this podcast is called Served, and if

1668
01:15:18,376 --> 01:15:20,576
Speaker 5: you're a tennis fan, check out Served. It really is

1669
01:15:20,616 --> 01:15:22,416
Speaker 5: a fantastic podcast. He's one of the smartest guys I know.

1670
01:15:22,416 --> 01:15:23,536
Speaker 5: He won't act like it, but he's one of the

1671
01:15:23,576 --> 01:15:24,456
Speaker 5: smartest guys I know.

1672
01:15:24,656 --> 01:15:27,936
Speaker 3: Period in all forms. So check out Served. With Andy rotting.

1673
01:15:42,856 --> 01:15:45,256
Speaker 5: We just had Andy Rottick go on. I think there

1674
01:15:45,296 --> 01:15:46,936
Speaker 5: was a little bit of static or something. They gave him,

1675
01:15:46,936 --> 01:15:48,896
Speaker 5: like a little list in the audio.

1676
01:15:48,936 --> 01:15:50,376
Speaker 3: He doesn't talk with. I don't even know how that

1677
01:15:50,576 --> 01:15:50,976
Speaker 3: went through.

1678
01:15:51,016 --> 01:15:54,576
Speaker 5: But if there was like a stat that that's you know,

1679
01:15:55,016 --> 01:15:55,856
Speaker 5: I don't know who that's on.

1680
01:15:56,736 --> 01:15:59,136
Speaker 3: If he hears that, he's gonna think we did it.

1681
01:15:59,376 --> 01:16:02,096
Speaker 3: We did it. It wasn't nice. Koc was on and

1682
01:16:02,136 --> 01:16:04,496
Speaker 3: he was good, so yeah, but then he got muted

1683
01:16:05,376 --> 01:16:07,016
Speaker 3: as the question about the quarterback, He's like, I can't

1684
01:16:07,056 --> 01:16:09,416
Speaker 3: hear that was perfect.

1685
01:16:08,056 --> 01:16:10,856
Speaker 4: I thought he was doing it on purpose, and then

1686
01:16:10,896 --> 01:16:12,736
Speaker 4: he's like, no, really, I can't hear you, And then

1687
01:16:12,736 --> 01:16:13,776
Speaker 4: he finally came back on.

1688
01:16:14,256 --> 01:16:14,816
Speaker 6: That was great.

1689
01:16:15,136 --> 01:16:17,135
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a fun show.

1690
01:16:17,616 --> 01:16:20,055
Speaker 5: And you know, up until the draft, we'll definitely stay

1691
01:16:20,056 --> 01:16:22,376
Speaker 5: in the mix here and talk in NFL. It will

1692
01:16:22,496 --> 01:16:26,096
Speaker 5: spread our wings a little bit, have some music. You know,

1693
01:16:26,256 --> 01:16:30,055
Speaker 5: we're kind of finding our legs as well. One quick note,

1694
01:16:31,496 --> 01:16:34,056
Speaker 5: Roddick had the world record for a long time for

1695
01:16:34,096 --> 01:16:36,696
Speaker 5: the best of service, like one fifty eight or.

1696
01:16:36,616 --> 01:16:37,576
Speaker 3: Something, whatever it was.

1697
01:16:37,696 --> 01:16:43,016
Speaker 5: I'm absurd and I thought, if he hits it to

1698
01:16:43,056 --> 01:16:47,136
Speaker 5: me ten times, I can get one of them back

1699
01:16:47,176 --> 01:16:49,896
Speaker 5: over the net. That's the bet that made him just one.

1700
01:16:49,936 --> 01:16:52,336
Speaker 5: So I said, if you hit me ten Yes, this

1701
01:16:52,496 --> 01:16:58,336
Speaker 5: already took place. Yeah, it was in Sports Illustrated went yeah.

1702
01:16:57,256 --> 01:16:58,055
Speaker 6: Okay please.

1703
01:16:58,936 --> 01:17:02,616
Speaker 5: And I do not fancy myself an incredible athlete, not

1704
01:17:02,656 --> 01:17:05,376
Speaker 5: even an above average athlete. I think I'm an average

1705
01:17:05,456 --> 01:17:08,416
Speaker 5: ridge athlete with a high IQ.

1706
01:17:08,376 --> 01:17:09,896
Speaker 3: And a great work ethic.

1707
01:17:10,296 --> 01:17:12,456
Speaker 5: I think that's how I would define any success that

1708
01:17:12,496 --> 01:17:15,576
Speaker 5: I had, because again, not super tall, not super fast,

1709
01:17:16,096 --> 01:17:17,016
Speaker 5: pretty smart.

1710
01:17:18,216 --> 01:17:22,295
Speaker 3: High motor, high energy. Yeah yeah, big motor, high technician, technician.

1711
01:17:23,016 --> 01:17:27,416
Speaker 5: So I freaking trained, and I thought it wasn't even

1712
01:17:27,456 --> 01:17:29,336
Speaker 5: that I had to like score a point on him.

1713
01:17:29,376 --> 01:17:32,016
Speaker 5: It was just get it back over the net and play.

1714
01:17:32,176 --> 01:17:34,656
Speaker 6: Okay, this is that's ten serfs.

1715
01:17:35,016 --> 01:17:35,656
Speaker 3: Ten serves.

1716
01:17:35,776 --> 01:17:38,776
Speaker 5: Yeah, hand eye coordination pretty good, even though my ride

1717
01:17:38,776 --> 01:17:41,176
Speaker 5: eye doesn't work at all, Like it's never worked, so

1718
01:17:41,256 --> 01:17:43,256
Speaker 5: I've had to learn how to do everything. I left eye,

1719
01:17:43,336 --> 01:17:45,456
Speaker 5: but since I've never had a right eye, it doesn't matter.

1720
01:17:45,576 --> 01:17:48,616
Speaker 5: Like it's nothing hurt. I'm ready to go, and people

1721
01:17:48,616 --> 01:17:49,656
Speaker 5: are like that gonna be hard. I was like, I

1722
01:17:49,656 --> 01:17:51,896
Speaker 5: don't know the difference, so I'm not. I've not lost anything, right,

1723
01:17:51,976 --> 01:17:53,016
Speaker 5: Let's go bring.

1724
01:17:52,816 --> 01:17:53,496
Speaker 6: It show up.

1725
01:17:53,776 --> 01:17:56,656
Speaker 5: How many serves do you think until I A touched

1726
01:17:56,656 --> 01:17:58,856
Speaker 5: it and be did or didn't get it over?

1727
01:18:01,776 --> 01:18:03,856
Speaker 4: I think you touched the ball probably one out of

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01:18:03,856 --> 01:18:06,536
Speaker 4: ten times, but the probably your eighth one.

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01:18:07,416 --> 01:18:09,016
Speaker 5: You think I touched it at eight and you don't

1730
01:18:09,016 --> 01:18:11,456
Speaker 5: think there's any chance I got it back over the net.

1731
01:18:11,696 --> 01:18:13,416
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest with you. Absolutely not.

1732
01:18:13,856 --> 01:18:15,416
Speaker 5: Yeah, he could have hit a thousand at me. I

1733
01:18:15,416 --> 01:18:18,896
Speaker 5: wouldn't even touched it. I never touched it. I was

1734
01:18:18,936 --> 01:18:20,176
Speaker 5: trying to give you the best I know, and I

1735
01:18:20,256 --> 01:18:20,736
Speaker 5: appreciate it.

1736
01:18:21,136 --> 01:18:22,856
Speaker 4: I'm could go with one out of ten, but I'm

1737
01:18:22,896 --> 01:18:25,256
Speaker 4: really I can't wait to hear the results because it

1738
01:18:25,256 --> 01:18:27,176
Speaker 4: would have absolutely blown my mind.

1739
01:18:27,256 --> 01:18:30,096
Speaker 3: I never touched it, and if you actually returned one.

1740
01:18:30,176 --> 01:18:32,616
Speaker 5: It was then when and I would train with him

1741
01:18:32,656 --> 01:18:35,096
Speaker 5: a little bit and I would see but I would

1742
01:18:35,176 --> 01:18:37,616
Speaker 5: do a really hard session with him, But then he'd

1743
01:18:37,616 --> 01:18:42,376
Speaker 5: have two more workouts that day. So you're one of

1744
01:18:42,376 --> 01:18:43,696
Speaker 5: those guys. So I'm not gonna hear that from you

1745
01:18:43,696 --> 01:18:47,096
Speaker 5: because you're that guy too. But it was when I

1746
01:18:47,296 --> 01:18:50,816
Speaker 5: then saw the work and the athleticism, because a lot

1747
01:18:50,816 --> 01:18:51,616
Speaker 5: of guys are great athletes.

1748
01:18:51,616 --> 01:18:52,456
Speaker 3: They'll put in the work right.

1749
01:18:52,456 --> 01:18:53,976
Speaker 5: A lot of guys work hard, and maybe they don't

1750
01:18:53,976 --> 01:18:57,456
Speaker 5: have the athleticism. I saw them together and I thought

1751
01:18:57,496 --> 01:18:59,536
Speaker 5: that I could have been here for ten days, I

1752
01:18:59,536 --> 01:19:02,576
Speaker 5: would have never touched one. After the first four, which

1753
01:19:02,696 --> 01:19:06,456
Speaker 5: stunned me. They were so fast, like it scared one

1754
01:19:06,536 --> 01:19:09,056
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty five miles an hour. It scared me.

1755
01:19:09,336 --> 01:19:11,536
Speaker 5: Then he knew I was so scared. It was like

1756
01:19:11,576 --> 01:19:13,336
Speaker 5: when you're throwing one hundred and three mile an hour

1757
01:19:13,416 --> 01:19:14,416
Speaker 5: gas and then you hit somebody with.

1758
01:19:14,336 --> 01:19:14,856
Speaker 3: The change up.

1759
01:19:14,976 --> 01:19:15,216
Speaker 6: Yep.

1760
01:19:15,456 --> 01:19:19,256
Speaker 3: Then he started to hit cut serves at like half

1761
01:19:19,256 --> 01:19:22,936
Speaker 3: the speed. It was like an alien had landed. Then

1762
01:19:23,096 --> 01:19:24,856
Speaker 3: on nine to ten, I.

1763
01:19:24,936 --> 01:19:31,176
Speaker 5: Was so frazzled, he just said, And dude, I was gone,

1764
01:19:31,376 --> 01:19:34,136
Speaker 5: I'm done. And so then Sports Illustrated they covered it,

1765
01:19:34,136 --> 01:19:35,976
Speaker 5: did a story, and it was embarrassing because I didn't

1766
01:19:35,976 --> 01:19:36,576
Speaker 5: even get close.

1767
01:19:37,176 --> 01:19:38,696
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't even imagine.

1768
01:19:38,776 --> 01:19:41,096
Speaker 4: I mean, I think about that, and you watch these

1769
01:19:41,136 --> 01:19:44,576
Speaker 4: professional tennis matches and you see these men and women

1770
01:19:45,176 --> 01:19:47,696
Speaker 4: like serving the ball one hundred and twenty to one

1771
01:19:47,776 --> 01:19:50,016
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty fifty one hundred and fifty five in

1772
01:19:50,056 --> 01:19:53,456
Speaker 4: his case, or fifty eight, and you go, that is

1773
01:19:53,576 --> 01:19:56,456
Speaker 4: absolutely absurd to even put the tennis racket on it,

1774
01:19:56,536 --> 01:19:58,776
Speaker 4: let alone return it and then create this volley back

1775
01:19:58,816 --> 01:19:59,256
Speaker 4: and forth.

1776
01:19:59,456 --> 01:19:59,736
Speaker 6: I thought.

1777
01:19:59,776 --> 01:20:02,096
Speaker 4: The other fascinating part listening to him when I asked

1778
01:20:02,136 --> 01:20:04,616
Speaker 4: him about the crowd, You know, would you rather than

1779
01:20:04,696 --> 01:20:06,976
Speaker 4: be a like oysterous and screaming in this?

1780
01:20:07,376 --> 01:20:08,296
Speaker 3: He said, I'd love that.

1781
01:20:08,376 --> 01:20:12,736
Speaker 4: But I didn't even realize how detail woron they are

1782
01:20:12,776 --> 01:20:15,256
Speaker 4: with their mind. If I knew as soon as it

1783
01:20:15,296 --> 01:20:17,856
Speaker 4: came off the racket, if it was a cut serve,

1784
01:20:18,296 --> 01:20:21,536
Speaker 4: if it was a power serve, I that never even

1785
01:20:21,936 --> 01:20:22,896
Speaker 4: I never processed that.

1786
01:20:22,856 --> 01:20:23,336
Speaker 6: In my mind.

1787
01:20:23,816 --> 01:20:24,736
Speaker 3: Can you play pick a ball?

1788
01:20:25,736 --> 01:20:28,976
Speaker 4: I mean, I can play, but I'm not I'm not good.

1789
01:20:29,776 --> 01:20:32,736
Speaker 4: I played this morning, went out there. Now, we had

1790
01:20:32,776 --> 01:20:35,256
Speaker 4: a bunch of average jows out there, and we were

1791
01:20:35,256 --> 01:20:37,536
Speaker 4: all getting to know the game. But I've got enough

1792
01:20:37,536 --> 01:20:38,936
Speaker 4: hand eye coordination where I can.

1793
01:20:39,416 --> 01:20:39,696
Speaker 6: I can.

1794
01:20:39,816 --> 01:20:41,896
Speaker 4: I can hold my own a little bit, I wouldn't.

1795
01:20:42,296 --> 01:20:43,896
Speaker 4: I kind of want to come over here and get

1796
01:20:43,936 --> 01:20:45,016
Speaker 4: on the court with you, big fellow.

1797
01:20:46,336 --> 01:20:47,816
Speaker 3: I just wonder if you're sandbagging or not.

1798
01:20:48,656 --> 01:20:50,976
Speaker 4: No, I promise you I'm not saying bagging because I'm competitive.

1799
01:20:50,976 --> 01:20:52,656
Speaker 3: I want to win. I want to go pro.

1800
01:20:53,656 --> 01:20:57,016
Speaker 4: Do you well, I'm not there yet because every time

1801
01:20:57,016 --> 01:20:58,496
Speaker 4: the ball comes up in the air and it looks

1802
01:20:58,496 --> 01:21:03,456
Speaker 4: like that soft like soft pitch softball, and I go

1803
01:21:03,656 --> 01:21:06,856
Speaker 4: to slam it and I just ricochet thirty yards out

1804
01:21:06,856 --> 01:21:08,536
Speaker 4: of the court, and I'm so pissed at myself, and

1805
01:21:08,536 --> 01:21:11,016
Speaker 4: I slammed my paddle against my thigh. I'm just like,

1806
01:21:11,256 --> 01:21:15,335
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this should be easier, it should be easier.

1807
01:21:15,736 --> 01:21:18,136
Speaker 5: I don't think I am anywhere near going pro, but

1808
01:21:18,136 --> 01:21:18,896
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna.

1809
01:21:19,256 --> 01:21:21,095
Speaker 3: I think I wanna do like Andy work with a trainer.

1810
01:21:21,576 --> 01:21:22,336
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's do this.

1811
01:21:23,056 --> 01:21:23,376
Speaker 3: Why not.

1812
01:21:23,416 --> 01:21:25,856
Speaker 5: I got a whole freaking machine over there that shoots

1813
01:21:25,896 --> 01:21:26,376
Speaker 5: balls at you.

1814
01:21:26,896 --> 01:21:27,656
Speaker 3: But then it got winter.

1815
01:21:27,696 --> 01:21:28,816
Speaker 5: I bought it and it got winter, and I have

1816
01:21:28,816 --> 01:21:30,696
Speaker 5: an outdoor court, so I never really get to play

1817
01:21:30,696 --> 01:21:31,055
Speaker 5: with him.

1818
01:21:31,176 --> 01:21:31,456
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1819
01:21:31,536 --> 01:21:33,776
Speaker 4: The guy that really intimidates me is when they're up

1820
01:21:33,816 --> 01:21:34,296
Speaker 4: at the net.

1821
01:21:34,456 --> 01:21:35,055
Speaker 6: You know you're.

1822
01:21:34,936 --> 01:21:36,856
Speaker 4: Serving, and then you gotta get it back over but

1823
01:21:36,856 --> 01:21:39,696
Speaker 4: they're already standing there like, okay, d bring it. And

1824
01:21:39,816 --> 01:21:42,336
Speaker 4: we played with somebody in my buddy Marcus today. He's

1825
01:21:42,376 --> 01:21:44,856
Speaker 4: six ' eight so his wingspan is here, so I

1826
01:21:44,856 --> 01:21:47,096
Speaker 4: was like, do I try to flop it over his head?

1827
01:21:47,096 --> 01:21:48,976
Speaker 4: Every time I try to flop it, it's gone in

1828
01:21:49,016 --> 01:21:52,856
Speaker 4: the next county. But it's a great game, great workout,

1829
01:21:53,096 --> 01:21:53,976
Speaker 4: a lot of fun.

1830
01:21:54,456 --> 01:21:59,376
Speaker 5: And the seat the floor is very high, meaning anybody

1831
01:21:59,736 --> 01:22:02,055
Speaker 5: that able bodied can get in and.

1832
01:22:02,936 --> 01:22:03,776
Speaker 6: Just play right.

1833
01:22:03,816 --> 01:22:06,776
Speaker 3: It's like golf, but more active. It's like golf, but

1834
01:22:06,816 --> 01:22:09,496
Speaker 3: way easier to start it is.

1835
01:22:09,536 --> 01:22:11,176
Speaker 6: It's way easier. That's a good point.

1836
01:22:11,536 --> 01:22:15,016
Speaker 5: Like golf, golf sucks for me because it's really hard.

1837
01:22:15,096 --> 01:22:17,096
Speaker 5: I like to play golf, but it's really hard. I

1838
01:22:17,096 --> 01:22:19,056
Speaker 5: feel like I could be okay at pickle ball in

1839
01:22:19,096 --> 01:22:22,016
Speaker 5: a week a day, a day learning the.

1840
01:22:22,056 --> 01:22:24,656
Speaker 4: Rules, right, if you just have enough hand eye coordination,

1841
01:22:24,856 --> 01:22:27,976
Speaker 4: because you your movement patterns aren't extreme unless you're like

1842
01:22:28,456 --> 01:22:32,536
Speaker 4: really hustling and your guy is being Lazi or whatever

1843
01:22:32,576 --> 01:22:35,256
Speaker 4: it is. So you can get to balls in a

1844
01:22:35,296 --> 01:22:37,696
Speaker 4: small space. It's not like you're running all over a court.

1845
01:22:37,816 --> 01:22:40,576
Speaker 4: So he definitely could be competitive if you just give

1846
01:22:40,616 --> 01:22:41,536
Speaker 4: a little effort.

1847
01:22:41,456 --> 01:22:44,376
Speaker 3: That Kevin involved a little bit, played a little last year. Yeah, yeah,

1848
01:22:44,416 --> 01:22:45,616
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it again.

1849
01:22:45,696 --> 01:22:46,376
Speaker 2: But like you said, the.

1850
01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:48,816
Speaker 5: Weather got bad, and right when you got good weather,

1851
01:22:49,536 --> 01:22:51,216
Speaker 5: good man, I was moving up on the charts.

1852
01:22:51,256 --> 01:22:52,056
Speaker 6: Is that always the case.

1853
01:22:52,136 --> 01:22:53,976
Speaker 3: We have a championship belt, do you.

1854
01:22:54,816 --> 01:22:56,056
Speaker 6: I'm guessing your name's on it.

1855
01:22:56,136 --> 01:22:57,656
Speaker 3: No, I don't put my name on it. Just a winner.

1856
01:22:57,736 --> 01:22:58,336
Speaker 3: It's just the winner.

1857
01:22:58,976 --> 01:23:01,616
Speaker 4: It's kind of like I get I get a championship belt,

1858
01:23:01,616 --> 01:23:03,616
Speaker 4: but it says Dad of the Year. I get a

1859
01:23:03,616 --> 01:23:05,016
Speaker 4: plaque made and I just put my name on it

1860
01:23:05,056 --> 01:23:07,896
Speaker 4: every year. My kids don't know the difference. Like I've

1861
01:23:07,936 --> 01:23:09,656
Speaker 4: won five years in a row. Guys, I'm the dad

1862
01:23:09,656 --> 01:23:10,016
Speaker 4: of the year.

1863
01:23:10,776 --> 01:23:12,936
Speaker 3: Also the only dad in the house. But yeah, yeah, exactly.

1864
01:23:13,216 --> 01:23:14,336
Speaker 6: That's why I'm always winning.

1865
01:23:14,376 --> 01:23:19,216
Speaker 5: Oh, Read's getting pretty good thanks to Kevin O'Connell. Coach

1866
01:23:19,256 --> 01:23:22,536
Speaker 5: of the Year, thanks to Andy Roddick. Please hit subscribe,

1867
01:23:22,736 --> 01:23:25,496
Speaker 5: go to the lots to say podcast feed, hit subscribe.

1868
01:23:25,616 --> 01:23:28,136
Speaker 5: That would be super cool if you did. We got

1869
01:23:28,216 --> 01:23:29,896
Speaker 5: big shows coming up in the next few weeks. I'm

1870
01:23:29,896 --> 01:23:31,776
Speaker 5: just saying that because I literally have no idea because

1871
01:23:32,016 --> 01:23:34,095
Speaker 5: everything from the Super Bowl burnt everybody out.

1872
01:23:34,416 --> 01:23:37,456
Speaker 3: Every show's big. Yeah, good point.

1873
01:23:37,616 --> 01:23:37,856
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1874
01:23:37,976 --> 01:23:39,736
Speaker 5: Show of the year on our feed. It's like that

1875
01:23:39,896 --> 01:23:42,216
Speaker 5: of year on our feed. We have show of the Year,

1876
01:23:42,936 --> 01:23:46,255
Speaker 5: Thank you, guys. Executive Princer Kevin O'Connell. Different, Kevin O'Connell,

1877
01:23:46,256 --> 01:23:49,376
Speaker 5: by the way, different Kevin, K and K Yeah, Reid

1878
01:23:49,416 --> 01:23:52,616
Speaker 5: ahead of audio video that what you are?

1879
01:23:53,056 --> 01:23:57,776
Speaker 3: Who's better pickleball? You two read is and me and Reid? Yeah,

1880
01:23:58,096 --> 01:24:00,376
Speaker 3: oh well no I beat you last time. Yeah, he's

1881
01:24:00,376 --> 01:24:01,016
Speaker 3: got good though.

1882
01:24:01,176 --> 01:24:01,376
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1883
01:24:01,416 --> 01:24:03,576
Speaker 3: Reads dropped about all right.

1884
01:24:03,416 --> 01:24:06,496
Speaker 5: And gotten pretty good, dropped that winter Wait yeah, Reads

1885
01:24:06,896 --> 01:24:09,496
Speaker 5: had a visual that's Matt Castle on Bobby Bones. We've

1886
01:24:09,496 --> 01:24:10,816
Speaker 5: had lots to say, see you guys next week.

1887
01:24:10,856 --> 01:24:10,976
Speaker 4: Bye.

1888
01:24:10,976 --> 01:24:20,416
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1889
01:24:20,576 --> 01:24:23,816
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