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Speaker 1: this conversation that I had with brothers Osborne. They opened

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Speaker 1: All right here it is Brother's Osborne that was featured

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Speaker 1: with Brothers Osborne, which I was on my peloton. I

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Speaker 1: peloton it don't you even have one? I bought one.

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Speaker 1: I don't. It looks great sitting in my house. But

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Speaker 1: you understand the concept I get on these people on

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Speaker 1: guys as songs come on and I'm riding along to it.

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Speaker 1: Do you like? How does that deal get worked out?

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Speaker 1: Because they got a lot of trouble for playing everybody's music,

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Speaker 1: extravagant amount of money. No, no, it just be probably

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Speaker 1: the same as a stream like point. Oh that's what

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Speaker 1: to not say anyone's name. Ever, I don't even do

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Speaker 1: went to school because he knew he always had this idea.

425
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Speaker 1: But I was like sixteen, Everyone's like, what's your major?

426
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Speaker 1: And I would just tell them music business because I

427
00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,359
Speaker 1: know no more questions would follow that like boring and

428
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Speaker 1: um yeah. So he moved back and I was still like,

429
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Speaker 1: I changed my major a bunch of times. I actually

430
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Speaker 1: started in base because I got a scholarship and my

431
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Speaker 1: parents were life. If you played bass, there's a lot

432
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,240
Speaker 1: more work for bass players. There's too many guitar players,

433
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 1: which is another interesting side note there is. John was

434
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Speaker 1: an incredible opright bassist. I mean he actually went to

435
00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,680
Speaker 1: Belmont run a bass scholarship, played the big boom boom

436
00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,919
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, that whole thing, like flipping stuff. He

437
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 1: played like classica with the Baltimore like the Baltimore Symphony

438
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 1: even um they would have this where they would get

439
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Speaker 1: kind of the first top chair people in the state

440
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 1: to come join them for some concerts and John was,

441
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Speaker 1: you know. It was one of the one of the

442
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Speaker 1: kids they picked out of high school to come up

443
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Speaker 1: and play with the Baltomore Symphony, playing upright bass. Ye,

444
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 1: thank you. I was told total nerd, but that's what

445
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,919
Speaker 1: I did, and um, but I didn't love it, you know.

446
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 1: So when I went to school, I was like, man,

447
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Speaker 1: I so I'm not loving this thing. I really want

448
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,560
Speaker 1: to play guitar. Kind of like you were talking about

449
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,160
Speaker 1: the Grand Ole Opry and you were kind of made

450
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,639
Speaker 1: to watch it and that took you a minute to

451
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,239
Speaker 1: love it. That's how we were with the bass. And

452
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,360
Speaker 1: then um, eventually I I changed my major to guitars.

453
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I love I really enjoy playing. This is

454
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Speaker 1: where my heart is. And then I swished my major

455
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Speaker 1: to music business, swishing back to guitar. I'm like, man,

456
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Speaker 1: I'm like four years in. I've got like five hundred

457
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Speaker 1: hours or credits later. There's no way I'm going to graduate.

458
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Speaker 1: And I'm already like doing it. I'm getting calls to

459
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Speaker 1: go play. I'm traveling, you know, four hours, making like

460
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Speaker 1: one hundred bucks and being like this is great, and um,

461
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Speaker 1: so I bailed from school. But around that time TJ

462
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Speaker 1: came back after he graduated high school and then that's

463
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Speaker 1: when we both moved here. So he had mentioned this band,

464
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Speaker 1: King Billy, that I was in. One of my best

465
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Speaker 1: friends from college, Josh Matheny, who's played on like a

466
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 1: bunch of hit records as a recent as great dobro player,

467
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: we joined a band. Charlie Worsham was in that band

468
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other really really great musicians, and

469
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: we ended up getting a publishing deal TJ and I

470
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Speaker 1: at the time had been writing a lot of songs

471
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Speaker 1: off to the side. The King Billy, the band I

472
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Speaker 1: was in, cut a few of those songs, so he

473
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Speaker 1: got signed to the publishing deal to the same publishing company.

474
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Speaker 1: About a year or two later. Well, quickly what happened

475
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Speaker 1: because now King Billy lives in like everyone's mind is

476
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: one of the greatest bands that should have been massive

477
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: because of the success of you, this individual Charlie. Yeah, yes,

478
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: and so everyone's like, oh, I saw them once. It

479
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: was the summer. I mean, it's like this legacy. It

480
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: was an incredible band. I mean I remember it was like, yeah,

481
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: it was the show to go and see what would happened?

482
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: Why did it not happen? I guess you know, I

483
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I could give I could try and give

484
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 1: you a hundred reasons as to why things do and

485
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: don't happen in this industry, and I would probably be

486
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: wrong every time, And so much of it is just

487
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: being around the right people the right time, the right songs.

488
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Speaker 1: I mean, I listened to the songs. I'm like, yeah,

489
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: they were really really good songs, and some of them

490
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Speaker 1: really great, but maybe they just weren't. You know, I

491
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: think we were pretty muso about things, like we're all

492
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: way too smart for own good when it when it

493
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: came even the term muso, I think it's probably for

494
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: most people's said, yeah, that's like you know, when you're

495
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Speaker 1: you're so musical that it's just like only nerds would

496
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, yeah, it got there. Um, And I

497
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I don't know. I wish I could

498
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Speaker 1: give you an exact reason. Timing is everything, you know.

499
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: I I mean, Bobby, you know you've seen amazing and

500
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: you were such a supporter of new music and new artists.

501
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,719
Speaker 1: You're very rare in that way, and you've seen it firsthand,

502
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: like this is amazing, Like I can't wait to see

503
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: this thing blow up. And two years later, five years later,

504
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: nothing happens, and no one knows. The one thing that

505
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: is like really interesting now in retrospect is obviously everyone

506
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: is like, how did this band not take off? And

507
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think now, I think looking back, for

508
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: probably most of the people in the band, I mean,

509
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: particularly us, it's like, well, we would have this would

510
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: have never happened, And certainly as you look back different

511
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: And at the time I was doing solo stuff because

512
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: John was in an established band in town, like but

513
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: really outside of the bands that were playing nationally and

514
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: super famous. They were the biggest band in Nashville, and

515
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: I just was like, you know, I need to do

516
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: my own solo thing. John's at the time it was

517
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: really well known as a bread guitar player, and I

518
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: didn't really want to kind of wrest on his laurels

519
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: or whatever or write his coat tail. So I wanted

520
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: to make a name for myself, and so I'd go

521
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: out and perform. John a lot of times would join

522
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: play guitar, and people always commented on just the two

523
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: of us together, there was something that we didn't really

524
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: notice because we just played together our entire lives. It

525
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: didn't feel necessarily that special to us. And yeah, but

526
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: people kept saying it over in time and time and

527
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: time again, like the two of you is something, You've

528
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: got to do something together. Um. And then once we

529
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: decided to do that, I mean within a year, we

530
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: were assigned to Capitol Records. I was watching the hot

531
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Speaker 1: Nathan's Hot Dog eating competitions. You guys haven't see any

532
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: of that at all eating clips. I don't, but I

533
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: find it very fascinating. Yes, before the hot dog part,

534
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: before the Joey Chestnut eats seventy hot this is name, great,

535
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: great name. Yeah, there's a competition, can be israel n

536
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: They drank a gallon of lemonade. It's who drinks the

537
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: gall lemonade the fastest before they eat the hot dogs. Well,

538
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 1: one guy did both competitions, and they got the guy

539
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: who won the lemonade also didn't win the hot dog,

540
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: but also drank the gallon lemonade. One then went Nate

541
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: and finished you know, fourth, fifth. Because a superhero, My

542
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: point is, and you're gonna see he probably weighs like

543
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: eighty pounds. These people somehow are like, what is going on?

544
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: What I saw John just do with a bottle of

545
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: water is what the guy did with the lemonade. Somehow

546
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: he would you get John on the bottle of water

547
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: over It's like he took one. It's like he took

548
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: it up, made one swallow, and the whole thing was gone.

549
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: I was wondering, where the hell are hydrated? My friend?

550
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just love water. This drives Lucy

551
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: and my wife, Lucy Silva Sue you played before. It

552
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: drives her crazy about how much I love water because

553
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: she hates water. What is her to hate? It's amazing,

554
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: Like it's cold and it's hydrating, and she's like she

555
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: sees how much I like water, and she gets so annoyed.

556
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: She thinks I'm doing it to just pick thy. Lucy

557
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: doesn't drink much alcohol, so I think if she down

558
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: like fifteen beers the night before, thank you, and I'm

559
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: just consistently hung over. I was listening to t J

560
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: tell the history by going solo, but over on the side,

561
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: I just I could. I was like nine percent there,

562
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: but in my part of me was going, that's the weirdest.

563
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: That's like the best, the most solid water drinking I've

564
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: ever seen. It's a love it. I love it. Let

565
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: me let me talk this, and I've told the story

566
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 1: with you guys around, but for anyone that's listening new

567
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: to this, because this is a whole different podcast, it

568
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: goes a lot of different places. The first time that

569
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: I saw you guys, I had been dragged to what

570
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: they call a radio show boot camp. It wasn't about

571
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: country music. Heck, I wasn't even in country music. I was.

572
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: I had built my own syndication company and I was

573
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: doing pop and hip hop. But I was getting trouble

574
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: because I would put drks on, put Willie only like,

575
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: why are you playing country music on pop radio? Kind

576
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: of what happens now. Just on the other side, we're

577
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I'll bring in Forrell or I'll bring in somebody, and

578
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: they're like, why are you bringing in Forrell? On of country?

579
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: I just always knew what I liked. It didn't matter

580
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: to me really what format it was. Most people are

581
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: that way. I think people are too right. But I

582
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: was over there doing that and we're in this theater

583
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: and I was ready for some other, you know, JABRONI

584
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: to get up and talking about something in radio that

585
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: I would lame. And they were like, all right, before

586
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: we go, we got these two guys who want to

587
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: showcase to you. I think it was Chicago. It was yeah, yeah,

588
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: and they were like, I'll never forget this. This This is

589
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: one of the most awkward moments in our lives. It

590
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: was both of us guys. That's Brothers Osbourne, and I

591
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: was like, oh, music, like I'm trying to like and

592
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: I also don't know if you recall this, but they

593
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: said Brothers Osbourne. And then the guy decides in that

594
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: moment to change the batteries and the microphones. I'm like,

595
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: why didn't I do this like ten minutes ago? Dude,

596
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: you're kidding me. So we had to stand there on

597
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: stage why everyone had been they had clap, finished clapping

598
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: five minutes ago, and he's changing one by one of

599
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: these batteries. I was like, oh my god, I could

600
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: kick you straight off the stage right now, and uh,

601
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: let me started performing a new one. Really cared. Can

602
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: I say another thing though about that? I found really

603
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: bizarre about that. Since you worked in different like formats

604
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: and radio, why are the popery of people so insanely arrogant?

605
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: Like I feel like a lot of them, but I

606
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: finally like these people, you know, like I feel like

607
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: it's probably unusual in country, like you actually do know

608
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: most of not all, the country artists that come through here,

609
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: but they always pretend like you'll listen to a pop

610
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: station and they'll be like, oh, yeah, I was hanging

611
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: with my boy Drake, and I'm like, I guarantee that

612
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: you maybe just saw him in a meet and greet,

613
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: and it's so weird and they're like the most kind

614
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: and at that thing. I found it almost like unbearable

615
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: to watch these people co exist together because you had

616
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: the country people who were like really cool and hanging

617
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: out and some of them have their egos, and then

618
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: all the pop people are like, screw the country guys,

619
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 1: even though I'm like, these guys have stations that are

620
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: like five times the size of yours. I don't know

621
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: why that why that happens, but it's weird. Culture. The

622
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: answer is culture. You are in the pop world taught

623
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: to look as cool as you absolutely can't even if

624
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: you don't have it in the country world. And I

625
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: find this with myself too, because I'm in California a lot,

626
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: working in the country world or the Nashville world, or

627
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: the South or what however you want to use. You know,

628
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: we are taught Hey, even if you are cool, kind

629
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: of scale it back a little bit because nobody gives

630
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: a crap. Nobody does. So it's it's basically that that's

631
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: the difference pop radio versus Los Angeles, versus Nashville versus

632
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: country radio. It's when I go and I'm shooting American Idol,

633
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: they think that I am, first of all, showing up

634
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: with a haycy, you know, overall, but they're also like,

635
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: he's just the greatest guy. He's just a And it's like,

636
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm like everybody else here, you know, I don't want

637
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: get an award for being the greatest guy. I'm a

638
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: good dude, but yeah, you gotta be a good dude

639
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: around here or you don't survive. Yeah, I know that

640
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: Prune the bad dudes here quick and so yeah, and

641
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, he's just the greatest because there, if

642
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: you don't show up with an entourage, even if you

643
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: can't afford it, that's that's anti that culture that they promote.

644
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: So that's it was, that's such a weird observation that

645
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: you saw. That's how it is here. If you show

646
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: up with an entourage, you everyone's laughing at you. Yeah,

647
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: who everyone's like rolling their eyes. I mean that's like,

648
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: in the same way that Vince Gill, arguably the greatest

649
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: singer and songwriter musician of all time of all genres,

650
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: shows up by himself to like an event and where's

651
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: his lanyard around his neck with his name on it,

652
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: just to make sure that everyone he can get backstage

653
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: to a place he's playing. And then he's just cool.

654
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: And then he packs up his own guitar and walks

655
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: off and drives his own ass home. I'm like, Wow,

656
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: if he can do it, anyone can do it, right.

657
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: I Mean I saw Stapleton drive up to a show

658
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: once in his old truck in Nashville, get out be like, hey,

659
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm Chris, and they were like, oh you are him,

660
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: and they just layed let him in. He just literally

661
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: Stableston drove his old truck parked up behind the rieman

662
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: and walked in the back just to do his show. Yeah,

663
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, but yes, it's a culture. Yeah,

664
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: people in that pop culture have to act cooler than

665
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: they are. People in this culture have to act less

666
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: good than ate. And you really see it too at

667
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: the Grammy Awards. I feel like it's so funny. Once again,

668
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: You'll see someone from country walk in and everyone's like, oh,

669
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: this hockey you know soob. Meanwhile, I'm like, this dude

670
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: sells like ten times the amount of tickets. You do, like, yeah,

671
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: you're not that cool chill? You know, does this have fun?

672
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Why is it such a you know, it's weird that

673
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, wow, they're so nice. I'm like, shouldn't

674
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: you just And I felt that way too early, but

675
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 1: now I just take it. I'm like, I'm the nice guy.

676
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: I would go to meetings where and I didn't realize

677
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: that it was so counted or that culture, but I

678
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: would go to meetings and pitch TV shows, not for me,

679
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: because I produced a couple of shows, and I would

680
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: go and I'll be like, I go meet I met

681
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: with Less before I got in trouble. I wouldn't met

682
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: with Less Movez, who was the president of CBS and

683
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: all of his people. And I showed up by myself

684
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: at the gate and I just you know, took an

685
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: uber and got out and they were like, you're here

686
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: by yourself, Where's were waiting for your team? I was like,

687
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm the team And they were just so shocked by

688
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: it and they said, they verbally said, this never happens,

689
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: nobody comes alone. This is still refreshing. And I went, oh,

690
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: I will not do this forever. So when I go,

691
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: and that's what I would have done anyway, I go

692
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: by myself and I saw I get a little backpack

693
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: on and I'm like, hello, guys. Yeah, but they're like,

694
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: you're the nicest guy. But it is. It's it's definitely

695
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: a culture thing. But you guys grew up where you

696
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: grew up in Maryland. I have to think felt like

697
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: the South compared to well, it's from New York and

698
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Boston in a place where I going out. Yes, I

699
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: think it's it's interesting and I think it's probably a

700
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: lot of why our music is the way that it is.

701
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: Is we It's like to the Northerners, we are just

702
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: like these rednecks down where we're from. And then people

703
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: from the South treat us like we're of these Yankees,

704
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like we're in kind of everything.

705
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: No one really wants to claim us. I'm not really

706
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: sure what's going on, but it is a very like

707
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: homogeneous thing where I do we do feel part Northeast

708
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: and part Southern it's really really strange. That's funny you

709
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: say no one wants to claim you because I felt

710
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: for a while, because then I'm not just saying this

711
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: because you're here. I've been fans of you guys since

712
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: the first time I heard you. I was just like,

713
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: love you guys, and I think I think even I

714
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: would tell you guys that I'd on the show and

715
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: you play really stuff and you've been very supportive. And

716
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: this isn't me. I don't want to her elbow patting

717
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: myself in the back, but my point is is that

718
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: I felt like even the format country music did that

719
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: to you for a minute too. Not pograph absolutely, but

720
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: they're like they're little too rock, and then I'll be like,

721
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: now they're a little too country. Where you kind of

722
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: were in that same spot where no one wanted to

723
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: claim you? Exactly did you feel that way? Oh? I

724
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: was still, I think you know. The thing is is

725
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: that we've realized I think there's a lot of a

726
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: lot of fans out there who are the same um

727
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and it's actually been now that we

728
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: are where we are, I think we've done really well

729
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: touring because of that, and we've been able to make

730
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot happen off off of comparatively, um, not a

731
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: ton of radio success. And I think obviously to a

732
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: new artist, we've had a we have had a decent

733
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: amount of radio success, but we've gotten a lot done

734
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: with with with not much. And uh. And to come

735
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: full circle, though, you mentioned something and we were kind

736
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: of heading there with your story talking about that that

737
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: radio similar thing that was a extremely bizarre and I've

738
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: told you this before, but um, we just got to

739
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: meet you. I think you were new to country, so

740
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: everyone was like, I don't know about this guy. You know,

741
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: it's like fresh blood. Everyone's like, and you're immediately coming

742
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: into like one of the biggest like slots in radio.

743
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: But you sat there through the entirety of our performance.

744
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: Most people could care less that we were playing. There

745
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: was very few people in the room that paid attention.

746
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: And I will always remember remember that you attentive to

747
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: the entire thing. Whether it was because you felt incredibly

748
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: sorry for us, I'm not really sure that probably has

749
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot to do with it, but Banks, Bobby, thank you.

750
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: You talk about it's you know when you say we

751
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: haven't had, as compared to new artists, a lot of

752
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: radio success. It's funny because there are some songs that

753
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: will hit number four but feel like a number one.

754
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: But some artists right not even know you guys specifically,

755
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: but urban will come in and I think, like Gonna

756
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Fly or something was never a number one, right, He's like,

757
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, but it feels like a number one because

758
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: people we remember. I feel like because I had to

759
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: look at like the chart to see where you felt like,

760
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: you guys get more credit for having radio success because

761
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: it feels like a lot of your songs were bigger

762
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: than maybe numerically they were getting. Oh it's really yeah,

763
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: and you are right the way. There's a really kind

764
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: of a one of my favorite sayings amongst radio promos people,

765
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: as they always say, not every hits a number one,

766
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: and not every number one is a hit, and you know,

767
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: it is weird, and John and I have just racker

768
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: brains all the time thinking about that. Some artists have

769
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of number ones and you can't remember them,

770
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: and then some people have hardly any number ones, but

771
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: you remember all of their material. And I don't know

772
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: why it works that way, but I definitely feel that

773
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: way for us, and that was why I really particularly

774
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: missed playing in front of a crowd for a year

775
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: and a half is for us, like a song like

776
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: all Night. We felt like that would be a big hit.

777
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: It was, It did, okay, But now that we're out

778
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: playing it, it's like you would have thought the song

779
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: was was that number one for a month? I mean,

780
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: it's people go bananas for it now. It was really

781
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: hard for us to I think it went to like

782
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: twenty on the charts or something like that. That was

783
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: that felt like like oh with this rejection. But usually

784
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: John and I don't pay a whole lot of attention

785
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: to that because we're seeing it live and we're like, okay,

786
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: it's working. But now that we are back at it,

787
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, now I get you know what we do.

788
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: Why we do what we do because it works. And

789
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: it was extremely hard for us and the pandemic to

790
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: just only be able to look at a chart position

791
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: that was the one. Again, who knows what chart I'm

792
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: looking at here? I think this was maybe media base. Yeah, okay,

793
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: So All Night was one of the ones that I

794
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: specifically pulled and was like, this thing was only in

795
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: the twenties. Yeah, here's a clip of All Night. Another

796
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: one was, and I bet you that it just lights

797
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: up a live show. It ain't my fault. Yeah, I

798
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: gotta imagine hands come up and that, oh yeah, every

799
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: night it is. Well, yeah, I imagine people hit this

800
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: song as hard as any number one live. Well. Yeah,

801
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: the thing is our biggest which does very well, Our

802
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: biggest song on the chart position wise or whatever was

803
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: Stay a little Longer, But people come. The majority of

804
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: the crowd. The song they're waiting to hear is this one?

805
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: I mean, is it Ain't my fault? Yeah, that's the

806
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: one that they call for the most. You know, Stay

807
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: a little longer, being our only number one it um

808
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: people love that song, but they stay for all night.

809
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: They want to hear it, but they stay for that one.

810
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: And right now we're onto our current single, I'm Not

811
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: for Everyone, and we're it's charting and we're doing pretty good,

812
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: but we're like, hello, can we like can we get

813
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: moving here? Like this? We're still just like hanging in

814
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: the forties, like what's going on? But now that we're

815
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: going out and we can play it and people are

816
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: already responding like we're playing a hit song, It's like okay,

817
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: It's just there's some there's other things that play here

818
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: more than than just a chart position. It's a huge

819
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: part of what we do, but it's not the only thing,

820
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: and it can be. It can drive I think it

821
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: even artists that have lots of number ones. If you

822
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: just look at a chart, it really will just eat

823
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: you from the inside out. It's really frustrating, especially from

824
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: like the forty two to thirty one spot that's kind

825
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 1: of like the swampy no man. So you're just trying

826
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: to climb out. Yeah, and if you can get out,

827
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: you got a shot. And if you're looking at the chart,

828
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: especially being in this business now for as long as

829
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: we have, it's like we know nearly everyone that's on

830
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: the charts. When they're friend jump you, you're like, oh god, yeah,

831
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm canceling dinneration. I think it all comes down to

832
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: like what's your what Like, what's your own metric? You know?

833
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: And there are people that live and die by the chartum,

834
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: And that's fine. If that's your metric and that's what

835
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: you base your success on, that's fine. That's that's how

836
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: you want to do it, and it's great. I think

837
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: for us we have to base our own success off

838
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: of multiple metrics. Um, one of them is how well

839
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: we're doing on radio, But most importantly, like TJ touched

840
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: on earlier, is how one how many butts are you

841
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: put in seats? And two how much fun are they having?

842
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: And how much are they have much fun? Are they

843
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: having dirt? Learning that song? Can you feel the energy?

844
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: And we have to go off of that metric. You know,

845
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: we've We're very grateful for how we've done on country radio,

846
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: considering that we do sound different and it has helped

847
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: us immensely. But if we only hung our hat on

848
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: just the chart, we would lose our minds, which is

849
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: honestly why I don't even look at it. I mean

850
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't because what the hell can I do? I

851
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: mean right, I'm not going to call a radio promoter

852
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: or some guy up and be like, hey, can you

853
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: give me like five spins? That's what our promo teams for.

854
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: It's just going to drive me crazy. But every time

855
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: they do play a song, it is a little advertisement

856
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: for our band. And there's also this really strange disconnect

857
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: with radio. And as John said to me, I think

858
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: the ultimate just stat is just tickets. You sell tickets. Yeah,

859
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: and there are people like Luke Holmes, who have lots

860
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: of number ones can sell a lot of tickets. And

861
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: then there's people that like Stapleton who doesn't have a

862
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: ton of radio success, but we'll sell out everywhere he goes,

863
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: Casey Musgraves, or like even an artist like Eric Church

864
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: where he has radio success but not as much as

865
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: you would think for someone who sells as many tickets

866
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: as he does. And that's the thing for me where

867
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, where you look at Miranda Lambert,

868
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: you know a guy will round on tour with her,

869
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: I thought, God, he got all these hits, and the

870
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: same thing for her, she doesn't have a ton of

871
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: number ones, But let's get to all the people who

872
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: a lot of number boys can't still seat. That's my

873
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: fun game, and I think we gotta go. It's a

874
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: good level. But anyhow, but the and that's the kind

875
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: of also the thing like the arrow that we live

876
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: in is amazing that I can tell you firsthand that

877
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: kind of your radio helps sell tickets and helps blow

878
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: you off. I mean, it stay a little longer. When

879
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: that was a hit, it was night and day what

880
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: our shows did. Um. But at the same time, there's

881
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: so many other ways that there's and it's in some

882
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: ways it's exciting and otherways it's also exhausting because you're like,

883
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: now it's like, we gotta get thongs on these streaming

884
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: services and then we got to do things to promote

885
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: here and then we get it. So there's so much

886
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: to do, so many angles, and if you ignore any

887
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: one of them, you're really it's it's it's I don't

888
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: know if you're um kind of um. I'm trying to

889
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: think a nice way to put this a that I

890
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: can say to your fans something clean, But you're an

891
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: idiot basically if you ignore any of those, Well, I

892
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: haven't learned the TikTok dance yet to your new song,

893
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: So if you guys want to, it's not happening now,

894
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: you guys know, I guess that's why I haven't learned it. Yeah,

895
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: we should do a TikTok dance for you. Just stand

896
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: still like, yeah, everyone can do this, Yeah what? Um?

897
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: So the tour we're not we're not for everyone. Yes, yeah,

898
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: we're not everybody. Everyone we're on tour. So did you

899
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: name because it's always you name the song and the

900
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 1: record after the song, after the tour in what order

901
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: did that happen? And did you name the tour this

902
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: because you really felt that or because it was a

903
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: good song, or well a couple of different reasons. I mean,

904
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, you we know, I don't know. We titled

905
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: the record of Skeletons because honestly, it the song. The

906
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: song Skeletons on that record defined I think the record.

907
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of the center piece. It was one of

908
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: the keystones. Was it the first one? One of the

909
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: first ones and um, And then we recorded I'm Not

910
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: for Everyone. It was one of the last songs, if

911
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: not the last song that we recorded. We thought, oh,

912
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: we got one more day, Let's just do this song.

913
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: And I'm like, we were thinking, man, I'll sing a verse.

914
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: That might be kind of cool. It'll just be different.

915
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: It'll never be a single, but the fans will like it.

916
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: And then we put the record out and then people

917
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: started freaking out about this song in particular. And I

918
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: think it has a lot to do with a message.

919
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the times that we're in

920
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: now and everyone is claiming you know who they are

921
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: and this is what I do. And also like coming

922
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: to terms with the fact that you just can't please everybody,

923
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: especially in twenty twenty twenty one. So we felt the

924
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: traction of the song, so we decided, you know, we

925
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: got to put it out and then us it is

926
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: a bit of our montrail. We are accepting that we

927
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: just are not for everybody. You look at our songs,

928
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: getting the twenty at best for the most part, and

929
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: then getting to Kneel and Travis, who are both a

930
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: very unique, very awesome left of centeral artists. It's just

931
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: kind of worked. The whole message seemed to come together

932
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: at one time. I wish I could say that we

933
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: were smart enough to see in the future like that,

934
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: but we're not. And it's just we saw how the

935
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: thing was shaping up when we took advantage of it. Yeah,

936
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: and I think it is one of those things that

937
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: you that John and I wrote it from the perspective

938
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: of of this is how we feel and to our surprise,

939
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: so I think nearly everyone feels that way. Yeah, you know,

940
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: whenever I wrote So, I was some very personal things

941
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: in my first book, and I thought, oh, I'm gonna

942
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: share some stuff that's extremely vulnerable, and a lot of

943
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: it had to do with either the drug addiction my

944
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: mom had before she died, or a lot of the

945
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: really bad decisions that she made that influenced me, and

946
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: that I loved her. But it was a very tough relationship.

947
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean, hex she got pretty much. She's fifteen, right,

948
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: and my dad laughed, so she had to. But I

949
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: was going. There was a lot of stuff, and even

950
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: when she reached her breaking point, she did some things

951
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: that I know she wouldn't be proud of, but because

952
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: drugs had a taking control of her. Yeah, And so

953
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: I wrote and in that I was trying to tell

954
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: the story of someone who had been through that, not

955
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: through her side of it, but through mine. And I've

956
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: never had a drink of alcohol. I never touched a

957
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: drug because I've been so scared of it. I wish

958
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: I could. I mean, and that to me, one thing

959
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: I want to do is relax. I'm so um. But

960
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: I wrote these stories and I thought, man, either people

961
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: are gonna feel sorry for me, you're gonna tell me

962
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: to shut up, but they're not gonna understand. And I

963
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: put it out. And what I learned is and I

964
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: say this because you just expressed the same thing to me.

965
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: What I learned was I never felt so welcomed or

966
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: like I was included until I felt like I was

967
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: so not included. Yeah, I thought, this is my story.

968
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: No one's gonna understand, nobody's gonna relate, nobody's gonna feel

969
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: like me. Yea um. But it turns out that just

970
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: because people aren't screaming about it doesn't mean they're not

971
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: feeling it. Yeah exactly. Yeah, and that you know when

972
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: you say we're not for everyone, we do. That's how

973
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: I felt about me. But I would be doing a

974
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: mean great somewhere, you know, we'd be I'd be doing

975
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: something I come up. It's like, you know, the story

976
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: about you know that touched me and I felt that.

977
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: I felt that severely when I came out. It was

978
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, I thought I didn't know how it would

979
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: be received. You've done. Some people would be supportive and

980
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: some people would probably hate. But I think the thing

981
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: that was really one of the most like recharging things

982
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: of it or whatever or inspiring things to me were

983
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: the parents and stuff being like hey my kid, parents

984
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: O other kids yeah, or being like this is great.

985
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: You know I've always I was getting a lot of

986
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff of just people who themselves weren't gay,

987
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: but we're really close to someone who was and this

988
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: felt like just like a relief for them, and um

989
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: and that, yeah, so I know what you mean. It

990
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: was I didn't expect that, and it was one of

991
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: the coolest experiences I've ever felt. Did you feel more love?

992
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: And you just said this, but I just want to

993
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: hear this from you again because I did. Did you

994
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: feel more loved than you expected? I did? And you know,

995
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: and I've talked about this um before, but is I

996
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: absolutely felt more loved than I expected. And I even

997
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: feeling the love from people that I knew loved me.

998
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: It was. It just was so different. It was so overwhelming,

999
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: and it's a thing I wish everyone got to experience,

1000
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: because every one has loved more than they realize they are.

1001
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: And the kind of sad part is there's a lot

1002
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: of people don't talk about how much they love someone

1003
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: until they've like died or something really tragic. And you know,

1004
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: it was a difference of just like someone you know,

1005
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: it's like I compared to someone just leaves and like

1006
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: all right, all right, love you man, see you later,

1007
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: as opposed to like someone grabbing you by their shoulders

1008
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: and being like I love you. Like it just was like, Wow,

1009
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: it's the same word, but it just hit in such

1010
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: a different way that I just thought in that moment, Wow,

1011
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: like just for this alone to feel this is it

1012
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: said something I wish everyone could feel at some point

1013
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: in time. Why at that point in time, like do

1014
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: you have a conversation like, let's just do it now

1015
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: where you find it? Like I don't. I just feel

1016
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: like telling people, well, yeah, I mean I always wanted

1017
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: to come out, and this was a huge hurdle for

1018
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: me because I was always really really afraid that I

1019
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: would look opportunistic, and so I never wanted it to

1020
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: never wanted it to be anything that would just not

1021
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: here here, we need some publicity or whatever. And so

1022
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: in order to do that, I always felt like I

1023
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: need to do this at the height of my career,

1024
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: and then through the pandemic, I'm like, yeah, you know,

1025
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: I just really one was kind of the things that

1026
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: were important to me were very simple things, things that

1027
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: I've had my virtually my whole life was doing the

1028
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: same sitting around fire or having in some drinks, just

1029
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: you know, chewing the fat with people. That was I mean,

1030
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: the things that I was still having the same that

1031
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: were fun for me, and I'm like, I can do this.

1032
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: You know. When I was broke, I was having doing

1033
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: these same exact things, you know, So I just felt

1034
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: like at that point, like and then also, who knows

1035
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: when you're at the height of your career, And so

1036
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: then the other fear was what if I have to

1037
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: you never know that you have passed the height of

1038
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: your career until you're on the way down, and then

1039
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: if I come out, then it's still which just seems

1040
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: like I'd be jumping the shark to people. And so

1041
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: I just felt kind of stuck in this weird thing

1042
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: of like I'm unsure the perfect time. And then finally,

1043
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: just one day, I just thought like I gotta do this,

1044
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: like and I gotta do it now, and I don't

1045
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: want to go back to work to where I just

1046
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: have distractions again, like I need to do this now

1047
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: where I can focus on it. And the other thing

1048
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: too was I want to be able to build my

1049
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: Why would I not want to get to the height

1050
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: of my career being just completely open about who I

1051
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: am and what I am, and John and I are

1052
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: really pride ourselves for just being who we are. I mean,

1053
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: Heller's I'm not for everyone. It's kind of like their

1054
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: mission statement, so to speak. And so at that point,

1055
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: I was like, it needs. I don't know that there

1056
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: ever is a perfect time, and there really isn't in

1057
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: your brain until you do it, and then you realize

1058
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: that was the perfect time. It was wild about that

1059
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: day is that that morning was when the Morgan Wall

1060
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: and stuff happened. Oh yeah, And here I go and

1061
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: I wake up three thirty in the morning and the

1062
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: click click it to click, and I'm like the Morgan

1063
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: Wall and stuff, and I'm getting hit by everybody. Yeah,

1064
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: because if somebody wants in this format, and I have

1065
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: to be careful now too, which I never thought would

1066
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: be the case with me. People just want to sound

1067
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: bite out of me. Yeah, And they're like, what do

1068
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: you have to say about Morgan Wall? You have to

1069
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: say Morgan Wall. And I'm like, god, dang man, I

1070
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I just saw this. I need And so

1071
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: I get on the air that morning and because I

1072
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: don't think your story came out until the literal like

1073
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: eight thirty or nine o'clock that morning, which was also

1074
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: interesting because I hadn't even read the article until it

1075
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: went live. For everyone else. So yeah, it was intense.

1076
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: It was an intense moment when the fund they went out.

1077
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm on and I'm like, i gotta say about Morga

1078
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: Wallin because I'm getting beat up about it. I'm gonna

1079
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: say how I feel. And no one had said anything

1080
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: because everybody's just kind of scared. They're all like, I

1081
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: don't want to say the wrong thing. Out of the way. Yeah,

1082
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: So I get on and I'm like, all right, guys,

1083
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: here's the deal. He's got to go away for a

1084
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: little bit, fix himself, get he gets to come back.

1085
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: That was my message, like, we don't cancel people, like,

1086
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: we don't need to cancel people for anything unless you

1087
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: heard a kid, you heard an animal, or or you're

1088
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: a really really bad person. R Yeah, I said, We're

1089
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: not going to cancel him, but if you don't think

1090
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: he needs to go away and at least, like come on,

1091
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: I said, and I like Morgan. Morgan's been here, he's

1092
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: been over to the house, He's got a good heart. Yeah, yeah,

1093
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: discuss stuff. So I'm dealing with this and I'm catching

1094
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: it on both sides because I'm the sensible one. I'm

1095
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: not canceling him. So canceled cancel country artists are hitting

1096
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: me up going, I can't believe you do. We know

1097
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: the cancel artists are and the people that are like no,

1098
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: and I'm just being sensible. Was so tough because I

1099
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: got both sides. Then your story comes out, and I mean,

1100
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: I knew you were gay, I did you know, But

1101
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: for me it was big do you said it? Because

1102
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: I was finally I would get to talk about it.

1103
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: And I went on the air and I mentioned it,

1104
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: and everybody's like talking About'm Morgan Wallan who cares and

1105
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: in a way in both ways, like I felt irritated

1106
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 1: and great at the same time. Great that people weren't

1107
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: like we need to hear because somebody's gay, you know,

1108
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: because I just did a show called The Talk where

1109
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: they were talking about, you know, somebody being gay, and

1110
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: I was like, wou would be great if somebody was

1111
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: gay and that was you didn't have to announce it.

1112
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: It's just part of life, and I you know, and

1113
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: I yeah, and it would be especially great for people

1114
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: who are gay, you know, I would love not to

1115
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: talk about it. And that the weirdest thing I have

1116
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: only verbally come out to anyone at this point I

1117
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: mean it was like, I mean maybe kind on one hand,

1118
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: I just people just kind of found out, like, you know,

1119
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, I was extra neighbors with Amy, and

1120
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: I've lived there with my boyfriend in that house, and

1121
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was not hard to figure out after

1122
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: amount of any certain amount of time that we were together,

1123
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: and so and then it was kind of this really

1124
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: intense thing because I'm like, when I'm about to come

1125
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: out to everyone, and it's just awkward. It's a really

1126
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: awkward thing to do. It's it's rarely in context with

1127
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: anything that's being discussed amongst your friends. It's a really

1128
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: it's just a strange. It's just I don't really like

1129
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: to shock people either, you know, It's like, guess what,

1130
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. That's just not how I am.

1131
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: So I've always felt like, oh so, in some ways

1132
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: it was kind of relief to be able to just

1133
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: do it all in one thing, And the other thing

1134
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 1: it was relieving for me too is that I felt

1135
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: like it was kind of this burden for people that

1136
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: did know that felt like they didn't want to talk

1137
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: about it, or they could talk about it, or felt weird,

1138
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: can we talk about it? And I'm like, everyone in

1139
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: the room knows, like, you know, it's fine. I didn't

1140
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: really care all that much, but and I felt like

1141
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: it was a relieving moment for them too, because I

1142
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: felt like it was a unfortunately it was I guess

1143
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: Mike crossed Barriso to speak, but I think there was

1144
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: lots of people who were kind of felt the stress

1145
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: of that well my and my point was I would

1146
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: have liked that morning to have spoken about representation because

1147
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I think it's so important. Whether you just want to

1148
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 1: see somebody that is similar to you doing something great,

1149
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: then you feel like you can do because I even me,

1150
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: growing up a poverty kid, I didn't see people like

1151
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: me doing cool things, and so I like to be

1152
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: that for them, and I like to do so I

1153
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: wanted to have that conversation and they were like, that's

1154
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: not for today talking and I was like, I keep

1155
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: hearing people who are like upset that you're like, oh,

1156
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: Morgan Wallin stole your thunder, And I was like, this

1157
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: wasn't about getting attention, you know, So I was like,

1158
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: I truly didn't care. If anything, I thought it was

1159
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: kind of a good moment to see that the variety

1160
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: of what country is going through at this moment. I mean,

1161
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: to have that on one hand and then this one

1162
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: the other is just like, Wow, what a time for

1163
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: not only country, but just kind of cultural things happening.

1164
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: And I think for me it was just speaking about

1165
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: from my own experience and doing that is I think

1166
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people just really think that, Yeah, both

1167
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: country fans and country artists that were just all these

1168
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: like really narrow minded you know, um Neanderthals or whatever

1169
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: they think, I'm not really sure, and then to to

1170
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: kind of really be part of this group of people

1171
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: that I think is incredibly diverse, more than people realize.

1172
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: And and it's only really recently really becoming that way,

1173
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of country fans out

1174
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: there who have never really been able to have, um,

1175
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: to really be acknowledged that much too. And that we've

1176
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: noticed that people. I mean, you see it really especially

1177
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: with like Cane out there and Mickey or Jimmy Allen,

1178
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: these people that that now all these people of color

1179
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: haven't success. We see it at our shows, people of color,

1180
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: more people of color showing up. You know, before they

1181
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: loved it alonely just felt uncomfortable. They didn't feel like

1182
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: they belonged in the community, but they do. If you

1183
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: get a cold, does your voice get deeper? I don't

1184
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: have a cold. If that's what you're wondering, now, yeah,

1185
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: did I'll be like COVID it does get deeper. Oh yeah,

1186
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: how I don't know you ever do voice Did you

1187
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: ever try to do voice over stuff? You know? I

1188
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: just recently kind of started talking about it and then

1189
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: about just doing it just mainly for fun. I mean,

1190
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: I can't imagine there's a ton of money in it,

1191
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: but I um, but recently someone told me that like

1192
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: pretty much every person in entertainment has been trying to

1193
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: do voice overs now because there's been so little work,

1194
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: like but now they do it all from home. Then

1195
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm like they're like, no, we don't need more, just

1196
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: just just saying please, well, let's not let it be

1197
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: lost on. This is like I would say, this is

1198
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: the Lady A effect where Charles Kelly is ten feet tall,

1199
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: so you don't realize Dave Haywood's like six two or six.

1200
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: And I say that about you because John, you have

1201
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: a deep freaking voice too, but you're just not quite

1202
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: where he is right down there. I mean, he had

1203
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: a lower voice than me when we were kids. I

1204
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: mean I was in puberty and his voice was lower

1205
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: than I didn't even hit puberty puberty yet it was like,

1206
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: what are you done here? You had an Adams Apple

1207
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: at five? What the hell is going on? I did?

1208
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: One time I got in trouble at school for some

1209
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: like silly thing. I was just kind of a class clown.

1210
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: And then I was able to get home in time

1211
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: to intercept the phone call, and they thought they were

1212
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: speaking to my dad and your son. Today, I'll deal

1213
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: with it. Tell me John about when you play? Is

1214
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: there something that you do see because you're so proficient?

1215
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: And I ask in this is And I don't mean

1216
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: to be insulting, because sometimes people will say, hey man,

1217
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: you're pretty talented, and I get insulted by that because

1218
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm not talented. I work hard. Yes, well, there's you

1219
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: have to have both. You have to have talents nothing

1220
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: without without working hard. So I ask in the way

1221
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: of naturally, did you have a gift that you felt early?

1222
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: Do you are you able to interpret playing or sounds

1223
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: sonic anything different than people you even play with? Like

1224
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: what is it about you that makes it special? Um? Well,

1225
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that I'm special in any Yeah,

1226
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: it's special, um or it because it is a kind

1227
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: of binary when it is in you. But honestly, it's

1228
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: a It's a couple of things, like I picked up

1229
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: on guitar pretty quickly quickly, but on top of it,

1230
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: like I loved playing, and I loved the process, and

1231
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: um I remember watching the video with John Mayrie a

1232
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and I wish I had thought

1233
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: of this a long time ago, and he was saying,

1234
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: what makes people great is they have to love the

1235
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: process of getting there. And there are a lot of

1236
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: people that have natural ability, but they don't like the

1237
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: process of working at it. And I think more important

1238
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: than natural ability is working hard at it, because you

1239
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: can have someone it's just a little bit of talent

1240
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: and they can work their ass off and then they

1241
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: will get there eventually. And I've seen just the most

1242
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: natural musicians. I used to teach guitar when I was

1243
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: in high school, and then some of these kids could

1244
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: pick it up so fast, but then they just wouldn't

1245
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: work hard at it. So I genuinely loved learning. I

1246
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 1: love reading, I love knowledge. It just soak it all

1247
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: in and it gets to a point, and I don't

1248
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: want to get too metaphysical with anything, but there's something

1249
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: called flow and we all get in it. You know,

1250
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: like you have some nights, I'm sure you know this

1251
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: when you're doing stand up, you have some nights were

1252
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I want to I'm battling this one out.

1253
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: I got through it. And the other nights it's like

1254
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: you're surfing on a wave and you just can't fall

1255
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: and not. This is getting kind of heady, but there

1256
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: there used to be the term genius would refer to

1257
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: something that was like metaphysical, that lived above us, and

1258
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: we didn't actually have talent. We were to condu conduit

1259
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: for talentum. But I think there is something to it.

1260
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: Whereas you you get you work really really really really

1261
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: really hard, then your brain shuts off and then you

1262
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: just do it like your brain is not even your

1263
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: it's just I don't want to say autopilot because sounds bad,

1264
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: but you're just it seems like something else is flowing

1265
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: through you and you just happen to be the vessel

1266
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: for it. And you know that's I believe you look

1267
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: at players like I mean, look at Keith when he's

1268
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: in a zone that's like he's not even he leaves

1269
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: his body. Go look, I mean any pretty much any

1270
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: performance of Jimmy Hendrix or Steve ray Vaughan. Those guys

1271
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: have left their body and like something else is taking over.

1272
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: But that only comes with putting in your ten thousand

1273
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: hours and putting that ten thousand hours in over and

1274
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: over and over and over again to the point where

1275
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: your brain just shuts off and it just happens. That

1276
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: was gonna be my question, like do you get to

1277
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: flow if you didn't put the work in. It's the

1278
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: flow a product of hour. I think you can do

1279
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: a degree, like you know what I mean. It's like

1280
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: I would say for me, like there are certain days,

1281
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't consider myself to be labeled as funny.

1282
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: I occasionally say funny things, but I don't think I'm

1283
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: a funny guy. But there will occasionally be a day

1284
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: where I am just like I don't know what's going on,

1285
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: but I'm just getting all of these like really hilarious

1286
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: things are coming to me and I'm saying I'm everyone's laughing,

1287
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: and then I might try it the next day and

1288
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: everyone's like, well, you shut up, You're not funny at all,

1289
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: but I just had that flow that day. I was

1290
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: feeling funny. There was something going on. But you know,

1291
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: and I do think that it is like the same thing,

1292
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: like there isn't a nate like just talent you would have,

1293
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: like me having a low voice, for instance, I didn't

1294
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: practice that. I just have it. And you know, there

1295
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: is an ability of Like for me, it was like, well,

1296
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: I can't sing like a lot of really and crazy

1297
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: good singers like you whoever, just whoever comes to mind,

1298
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars or whoever. But I had to really learn

1299
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: of like how to make a single note like a

1300
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: whole note really feel like I was singing twenty notes

1301
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. And that's something. Yeah, it does take it

1302
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: takes a lot of time. But the reason why you're

1303
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: able to work on it. And in this instance when

1304
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: John playing guitar, so he just really really liked it

1305
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: more than the average person. Most people listen to it.

1306
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: They don't want to figure it out. It's like I

1307
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: can go out and like try to build a house

1308
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: and just get a bunch of nails and start hammering

1309
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: things together, but until someone really still you work at

1310
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: how to actually frame a house out or how to

1311
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: cut this board properly? Is all the difference. Yeah, I

1312
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: actually loved practicing. So going back to what we were

1313
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, you know, I had a scholarship at

1314
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: Belmont to play upright bass and and all that stuff. Yeah,

1315
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: I'm playing the Baltimore Symphony orker. But I never really

1316
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: liked practicing. I did it because I had to, and

1317
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the playing side of it, but I never

1318
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to sit down and do it.

1319
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: But guitar, you no one ever had to tell me

1320
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: to do it. I couldn't get it out of my hands.

1321
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: And in fact, there would be times where I'd be like,

1322
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like we would out of bed and

1323
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: I'd be like, he'd still be playing guitar, and I'm like,

1324
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, dude, like we're gonna be up in

1325
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: like six hours, like shut up, and I don't know,

1326
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I would be like all right,

1327
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: and then he'd be like and then he would be like, Okay,

1328
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: well let me play something that lah blah. Because we

1329
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: shared a bedroom growing up, and we grew up in

1330
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: a really humble, humble of means, and so he would uh, yeah,

1331
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: he would then just play like something chill to fall asleep.

1332
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: So what were you and not a therapist here, but

1333
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: what were you chasing by trying to get so good

1334
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: at the guitar? I don't know. I mean it, there

1335
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: is a bit of an addictive quality to it, you know,

1336
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: Um I was. It was a probably if you would

1337
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: get if you wanted to go into the biological side

1338
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: of it, is probably serotonin and dopamine hits, just like

1339
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: anybody that's addicted to anything. I just couldn't. I no

1340
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: one ever told me to do it. It wasn't even

1341
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: a choice. I never sat and go and said, hmmm,

1342
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to choose to want to do this. I

1343
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: just wanted to do I think I sat away from most.

1344
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: That's why I find it's so hilarious when someone's like,

1345
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm retiring from music. Yeah, so like literally and you're

1346
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: never in your life going to sing or anything ever again.

1347
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: But honestly, and a big part of it for me too,

1348
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: A big side of it was in school, I was like,

1349
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: by far the farthest thing from the cool kid, very quiet,

1350
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: very shy, very sensitive, picked on by the bullies and

1351
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: all the cool kids and the guitar for me was like, Okay,

1352
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: this is my place. I feel invincible here. Maybe it

1353
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: just sace my safe place, and I felt like it

1354
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: became my identity. And maybe I was chasing that. I

1355
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: don't really know one hundred percent, but I just absolutely

1356
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: loved it. And I'd be in school and I'd be

1357
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: like hiding from my own shadow. And then it therapeutic.

1358
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: You know, oldest sister Rachel, who um, you know, God

1359
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: bless her. She's a wonderful person, but can't she cannot

1360
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: was not blessed. If you are blessed with music, she

1361
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: certainly was not, and she will admit that. And so

1362
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: she always said she she's like, anytime you guys are

1363
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: arguing or a moment gets awkward, she's like, you guys whistle,

1364
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: You'll be like, were like whatever, and we just instantly

1365
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of get lost in music. And I think there's

1366
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: like there's something there which is also writing songs those

1367
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: types of things. It is a it's like it is

1368
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: a form of therapy. But I was also very much

1369
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: a kind of a quiet kind of I loved solitude,

1370
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I could go to my room. Unfortunately,

1371
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would be as a teenager.

1372
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: Now there's way too where they're subjected to you know,

1373
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: TikTok and all these being an Instagram influencer and then

1374
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: all these video games, which we had video games as

1375
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: a kid, but they are nothing like they are now.

1376
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just like I don't know, you

1377
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: played it and whatever. So I was addicted to guitar

1378
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: and if I ever felt and I've struggled with anxiety,

1379
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: I have had anxiety my whole life and I've done

1380
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: a lot of work around it, but guitar for me

1381
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: was my medicine. So if I would ever fell nervous

1382
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: or anxious or any type of um like Hingingland or

1383
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: Virgil and depression, guitar it always bring me back to center.

1384
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: And that's that's I think has a lot to do

1385
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: with it as well. You know, I ask, you know,

1386
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: what were you chasing? And I mean because I think

1387
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: for well, for me, I know what I was chasing

1388
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: when I was a kid and I was trying to

1389
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: perform at anything because radio if it was I was

1390
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,919
Speaker 1: getting on stage, it was I didn't have love at home,

1391
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: so I was trying to get it somewhere else. Yeah. Absolutely,

1392
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: but I'm of some sorts just right, and I as

1393
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm engaged and we're know we're gonna

1394
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: get married soon and all. And she has to slap

1395
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: me in the head sometimes and go, hey, you know what,

1396
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to like chase that sometimes like you're loved.

1397
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: That's good, that's good. And it's the first person to

1398
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: ever do that to me. And I actually understand what

1399
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: they mean. Yes, but and I but I've never heard

1400
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: the because that's another thing you could actually be chasing

1401
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: that serotonin that for me is wild to think about.

1402
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: And I know why I did it right, Yeah, I know,

1403
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm still doing it honestly. You know, some of that

1404
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: childhood trauma stuff you just don't shake. Yeah, you code

1405
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: better one of the hardest things. And it's amazing that

1406
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: you have such a strong woman that kind of shakes

1407
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: you and rattles you out of that because what is enough,

1408
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, what is enough success? You know, It's like

1409
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: I was talking about some of these artists. There's some

1410
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: of the biggest artists in the world. They don't need

1411
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: the money anymore. I mean, there's something else here that

1412
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: they can't shake. There's you know, it's how good a Grammy.

1413
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: You get one, it's like, well, how many can I get?

1414
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: I want to have the most. I want to I

1415
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: want to have the biggest tour. I want to sell

1416
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: the most tickets. I want to be sell the most

1417
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: records and um. And it's hard not to get caught

1418
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: up in in that, you know, I think, I mean everyone,

1419
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: it starts to feel very much like a competition and

1420
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: like a celebration at any point in time, especially like radio.

1421
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all ratings and where you play, you

1422
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: know anymore objument. It's like crazy, but it gets I mean,

1423
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: it's exactly the reas why you don't look at it,

1424
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: because you absolutely bunker say that's why we don't look

1425
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: at the chart. I mean, it does drive you. Into

1426
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I had a pretty epic meltdown, just like

1427
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: very It was really really bad, and um, you know,

1428
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: I ended up. My anxiety was at like this crazy high.

1429
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: And I've always kind of dealt with it moment or

1430
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: the other. Um. And I've never really i mean, don't

1431
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I've liked a party and I like

1432
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: to do things to assist me in partying, but I've

1433
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: never struggled with it like I never wake up going

1434
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: man and yet drink like. I've never struggled with the

1435
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: addiction in that way, but I have struggled with workaholism,

1436
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: and I and I you probably struggled with this too.

1437
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: I've I always felt like, Okay, if it's getting weird,

1438
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: I'll just work harder and then that'll solve my problems,

1439
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: because it has done that for years. And really, I'm

1440
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: just distracting myself from the inevitable monster that is about

1441
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: to envelop me. And it did. In the end of

1442
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I went to um this place called on

1443
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: Site for three weeks. It was a full on thing,

1444
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was. It was bad. I

1445
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: got to the point where it was suicidal, and I

1446
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: ended up with tonitis ringing in my ears, brought on

1447
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: by a lot of other different things. I wasn't sleeping.

1448
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: It got really, really ugly. And it occurred to me

1449
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: at some point that when I was a kid, I

1450
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,959
Speaker 1: would play a guitar. When I would feel that way,

1451
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, I would play guitar. It would take me

1452
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: out of that. You know. If I was in school

1453
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: and I was anxious, I would go and play guitar.

1454
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: If I was at home and it was too much

1455
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: us at the home with like you know, our parents fighting.

1456
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: I would go in the room and I'll play guitar

1457
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: and it always made me feel better. And then I

1458
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: pursued a career in music. I'm like, this is fun,

1459
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: and then this is great and I get to do

1460
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: it all the time. Meanwhile, I'm not really I'm not

1461
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: really taking care of my inner child, which is really

1462
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: what it all boils down to. I'm just ignoring it

1463
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: and I'm making myself feel better, you know. And of

1464
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: course I had moments of like I'll just drink my

1465
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: way through it and smoke weed my way through it

1466
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: or whatever I had to do. And then um, it

1467
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: got to the point where all right, we made it.

1468
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: We're success successful, we're Grammy nominated, we're winning awards, we're

1469
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: buying houses that at the time when this is happening,

1470
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: we're on tour with like this dream line up with

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Speaker 1: Alison Crowse Bonnie and Rayton Willie Nelson our three favorite

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Speaker 1: artists period of all time, top three. And I had

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Speaker 1: a meltdown and I couldn't do it anymore. I broke down,

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Speaker 1: which was like farm made. I mean, all these like

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01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: really huge, yea like huge moment. And I think in

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01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,959
Speaker 1: two things I realized happened. One, I realized that now

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01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: the very thing that brought me out of anxiety was

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: now they was now giving me anxiety, was now the

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Speaker 1: reason for it, because you know, if I felt judgment,

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Speaker 1: I'd play guitar. If I felt anxious, I would play guitar.

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Speaker 1: If I felt picked on whatever, I'd play guitar. Now

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Speaker 1: this thing is like you're judged a lot, you know

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01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: which Again we don't look at the charts. I try

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01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: to ignore a lot of that stuff, but it is

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01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: a lot of judgment that you get every day. And

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01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: it's like you'll sign on to Twitter and you're like,

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: whoa man. You guys were pissed off about things and

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01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: we didn't even do anything and you're mad at us.

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01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: So it became a lot. So then I had nothing

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01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: to fall back on. I didn't even want to play.

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: It was awful. And the other thing I realized when

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Speaker 1: I was there, and through a lot of therapy that

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01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: I've done since then, is this is not an uncommon

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01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: situation to be in. You know, a person growing up

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01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: and having you know, trauma, and we all have trauma.

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01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: No one is yeah, no one gets a holl best.

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01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: We all have trauma, big trauma, small trauma. You have

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01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,479
Speaker 1: it and you have to deal with it at some point.

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01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: And it is it is so not unusual for someone

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Speaker 1: like myself or really any of us to pursue a

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01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: goal because we are we have this false notion that

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01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: once we get it, everything will be better. And then

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01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: the problem is and this happens all the time, and

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01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: you see it happened all the time with movie stars,

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01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: with musicians, just big, you know, anyone that finally succeeds

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: in their dream once they got it, they realized, oh no,

1507
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: that actually didn't do it. And I've like spent twenty

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01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: years trying to figure that out. Now what And when

1509
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: you realize that, you look behind you and that giant

1510
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: monster is huge because you never dealt with it. And

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01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: a lot of times that's why people end up with

1512
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: bad drug addictions and alcohol addictions and rehab and stuff

1513
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: like that, because they never dealt with their problem to

1514
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,839
Speaker 1: begin with. So fortunately, through the love of my family

1515
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: and my wife and friends and the people that we

1516
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 1: work with, our management was amazing, the label was amazing.

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01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: J Joyce, or producer was amazing. They're like, stop everything,

1518
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: We're done for a month. Go go take care of yourself.

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01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: And I did that. I'm so glad that I made

1520
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: it through because not everyone does. It's crazy you talk

1521
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: about being a workaholic and we're almost done here. But

1522
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: like I experienced that, right, like I hide from things

1523
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: or did still do get a little better because I

1524
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: have a good supports system now still do. But I

1525
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: went on site too because I was like, oh, it

1526
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: gets you, like whatever's about to happen ain't supposed to

1527
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: be about to happen. It's like you start to crack

1528
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: and yeah, I just wanted to catch the cracks before

1529
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: they turned into just full scale earthquakes. Yeah yeah, yeah.

1530
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: So as like I have empathy for you, I don't

1531
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: have I have sympathy for anyone that's going through anything,

1532
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: but have empathy because I I understand. Yeah right, And

1533
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: that's that's what we talked about. What comes about background

1534
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: full circle will end on this that so many people understand.

1535
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: But because we're only talking about it because it's not

1536
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: social media, because it's not off Facebook, everybody thinks they're alone. Dude,

1537
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: Is that is that? Is it? That? Is it? Right there?

1538
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: And I've told so many people this. The problem that

1539
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: we face in this world, and I think it's a

1540
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: bit of an epidemic, is that everyone we're all so connected,

1541
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: yet we all feel so alone because you post all

1542
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: of your highlights on social media, but that's not who

1543
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: you are, that's not who you really are. That's why

1544
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: when you wrote those things in your book, it made

1545
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: people feel vulnerability is everything. That's that's where connection happens. Yeah,

1546
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: I don't go Hi, I'm John Osborne. I have won

1547
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 1: all these awards and blah blah blah blah, no one cares.

1548
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: But if I said, hi, I'm John Olshen, I struggle

1549
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: with really bad depression anxiety. Immediately, vulnerability creates connection and

1550
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: talking about it, it's kind of intuitive, talking about it

1551
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: keeps you from being alone. But you're right, Bobby is.

1552
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: And when John was going through a lot of this stuff,

1553
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, people were coming up like, man, you know,

1554
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: like my son went through this, We're going through this.

1555
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: People that I was really close to, and I had

1556
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: no idea that they were doing with extreme problems and

1557
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: no one was talking about it. And I kind of

1558
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: felt like wow, you know, and I thought, well, part

1559
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: of why John is in the condition he's in is

1560
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: that he felt so alone and that he couldn't complain

1561
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: about it because it was it was like maybe he

1562
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: felt it was a weakness or he didn't want to

1563
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: feel like he was letting anyone down, and that he

1564
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: needed a man up and get it together when there

1565
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: was tons of people around you at any given day

1566
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 1: that are going through some really really severe things. And

1567
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 1: that really was eye opening to me. I was like, Wow,

1568
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: I just wish people talked about him. Oh yeah, me too. Well, listen,

1569
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: you know I adore both to you guys. Likewise, man,

1570
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't on a fundamental level respect and

1571
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: just love you guys likewise for somebody I don't hang

1572
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 1: out with like I love you, I don't hang out

1573
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: with anybody really, I got like two people to hang out,

1574
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: time to hang Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't

1575
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: know exactly you got to go to bed in like

1576
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: two hours, but I do, and I sincerely mean And

1577
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: I don't tell a lot of people that because I

1578
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: don't mean it, but I hope you guys know that

1579
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: it is as legitimate from me as it possibly could be.

1580
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: Thank you, And if you call and you said, hey,

1581
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: I needed I need to be picked up. I'm down

1582
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: in Madison, broken down. I would come and pick you up.

1583
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: We know that, we absolutely know that. Yeah, and I

1584
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: And it makes me feel good to know that you

1585
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: are also privy to your to your own um you know,

1586
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: trials that we all deal with, and that you have

1587
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: your soon to be wife who's there just to slap

1588
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: you across the head and remind you, hey man, sometimes

1589
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: it sucks, I know, but it is the best medicine

1590
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: you'll ever get, Like I I have. I'm forty one

1591
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: now right, have never been engaged, never even been close

1592
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: to being engaged, never been married, and it's the first

1593
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: I've never lived with with anyone. So it's like now

1594
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: she will just go no, yeah, and I'm like, wait,

1595
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand that. What do you mean?

1596
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: What do you mean? I know? I just want to

1597
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: go spend six hours playing golf with my friends. And

1598
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: she's like, no, no, we have two dogs, We've got

1599
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: the groceries to go get. It's not responsible, No, I

1600
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: don't And it's and and it's that the real life stuff.

1601
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: But then it's also the I will spiral and she's like,

1602
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: and it will end on this. This is because we're

1603
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: sharing here. Can I also ask you a question? Yeah?

1604
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: Is those times where she's like, no, you're not going

1605
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: to go out and do that and then you stay home?

1606
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: Are you like? Wow, this is actually kind of nice. Yeah.

1607
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: At the in the end, I'm like, she right, But

1608
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't say that out lout. We were um my

1609
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: TV show that was is on nat GEO and it's

1610
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: doing really well. I haven't I haven't watched to show you,

1611
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: but just the reels. I'm like, once we're finished with this,

1612
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: so we don't keep going, I want to ask you

1613
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: about the Barges because they both he and I live

1614
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: on the river and we see the Barches. I've got

1615
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: like a million questions. Well, so we do this show,

1616
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I've been waiting to do my own.

1617
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: I created this show myself, and it's kind of like

1618
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 1: part Jackass, part dirty Jobs, part what I do on

1619
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 1: the radio show. But I've combined all these elements things

1620
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: I love and made this show about people with adversity,

1621
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just want to get it on

1622
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: the air. Najio buys it, I'm like, all right, Oh,

1623
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: I just it's got to have huge ratings. One comes

1624
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: out huge ratings. I'm going crazy every week. I'm going

1625
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: crazier about something else. It gets on Disney Plus. It's

1626
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: on Disney Plus. It's on the front screen. And I'm like,

1627
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: if I'm on the front screen and it's not one

1628
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: of their biggest shows, they're not gonna want it anymore.

1629
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: And she will grab me and say, you are spiraling, yeah,

1630
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: like you have to, and I listen, yeah, And I

1631
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: don't listen to anybody that's the blinds are right. We

1632
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: all have a blind spot and you have to have

1633
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: someone there to tell you what's in that blind spot.

1634
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: And she's doing that. She lives there. Okay, listen, you guys,

1635
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: Brothers Ogs weren't gonna be out. We're not for everyone.

1636
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: The tour dates all July twenty ninth through November twentieth,

1637
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: They're out. You're out all the time. I've never seen

1638
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: so many dates in one like we're making. Apparently they're

1639
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: doing four shows in Boston in one hour. Apparently. Um,

1640
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: but but no, you guys check it out as you

1641
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: can see. Um. I love the guys. Follow them at

1642
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: Brothers Osbourne. Very funny on social media Appreciate you guys. Time,

1643
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: appreciate you. We did an hour, we did over an hour.

1644
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 1: That's sometimes he needs to go fifteen minutes, and I'm like,

1645
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: well I was good, folks, but just appreciate you guys.

1646
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: And so likewise, Buddy thank her.