WEBVTT - Episode 464 w/ G. Dep 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:13.760 He is drink chants, motherfucking podcast man. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:16.919 He's a legendary Queens rapper. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:18.800 He ain't agreed as your boy in O r E. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.000 He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:22.680 Up his DJ E f N. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:24.599 Together they drink it up with some. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.239 Of the biggest players, you know what I mean. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.640 And the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.559 source for drunk drink chans. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.920 Das New Year c That's it's time for drink Champions. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:46.320 Drink up, mother mother, what boy and R E one 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.680 up his dj E f N and this mini simigrades 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:54.360 you grow up Falcon make some of the We talk 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.360 about legends, we talk about classics, We talk about this 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:00.880 man has this man is that one of the most 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:06.640 hon't We're gonna speak about everything, but he's been down yo. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:08.119 His His album right. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.840 Now is is fire like gonna lie Listen to this. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.440 I'm very impressed people don't take that time, that type 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.880 of time off and still come and fresh. In case 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:20.200 you don't know what we talk about, we talked about 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:21.120 the one only. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:25.000 Stage. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:25.959 Be honest. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:29.000 The album's really really good. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:33.200 Bro got two albums, right, Lessons what is it? 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.160 Yeah, Lesson Never Losses and they stay ready, Okay, let's 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:38.479 get into lessons and level losses. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:38.680 Right. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.800 That's a big, big statement, right, and and most people 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:45.920 they do they I mean, you. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.480 Know it's lost. It's in life, of course. 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.120 But what this statement is saying, but by you saying 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.440 that is like everything is if. 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.040 It's if a lesson, if it's a lesson. 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.080 Learning that loss, then it's not a loss. Okay, So 0:01:58.280 --> 0:01:59.240 how did you come up with that? 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:01.880 I mean, it was just one of them things like 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.480 like from from just the experience of being locked up, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:04.800 like you know. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:05.200 What I'm saying. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.480 It was like, yo, you know what I what I 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.600 You know, first of all, I got my degree when 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:12.520 I was in there, you know. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:13.000 What I'm saying. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.280 You know, I learned a lot about myself, you know 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.359 what I mean. So it was kind of fitting when 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.440 I came out and it was like, yo, what was 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:19.760 you name? 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:20.200 The album? 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.600 It was like yo, you know it just it just 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.560 happened like that, and it was like, yeah, that that's 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.280 that's exactly how I how my life been headed, you 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:27.760 know what I mean? 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.400 And you did this independent yeah, okay, well samples on 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:31.799 there though. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:39.359 I appreciate you right now. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.760 Again, like I'm gonna listen to this album and like 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.240 it's like when when when when when Sean came home? 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.200 Like I felt like he lost a. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.920 Step, Like I feel like I feel like that takes 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.840 away from you not being and being able to touch 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.760 the world. But I'm listening and I can't see that 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.080 with you, like I see it coming from you, bro, 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.000 I'm dead serious, Like I'm not sitting here like I'm 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.359 at all, Like I'm gonna sit here listening to both albums. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.160 I'm like, yo, So how what was you? You was 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.359 rhyming in the can? 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:14.880 You can kept? 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.639 Yeah, ain't gonna lie. I definitely, I definitely was. It 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.240 was like it wasn't really no point that I could 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.160 say I stopped, you know what I mean? Like you know, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.800 lets you know how creative, you know, things don't flow sometime, 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.800 but for the most part, like I always kept kept 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:29.679 at it, you know what I mean? 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:29.960 Now? 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:30.400 What now? 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.639 What you're laying music down in the can too? Is 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.000 you're making music in there? Because now everybody got a studio. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:42.040 I don't know how they do, but from jail, I'm like, yo, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:47.200 but you know, I definitely did. I actually did lay 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.960 something down over the phone. You know it was. It 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.640 was kind of makeshift, but you know, dudes made it happen. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.160 It was like, you know, you you recorded and then 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.360 like you know, dudes that go back and you know, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.080 kind of chop everything up, you know. 0:03:59.080 --> 0:03:59.520 What I'm saying. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.960 So we did record some stuff. I was kind of 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.000 like when I came home, I was kind of the 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:05.320 in the record mold, you. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.640 Know what I mean, right, And so did you have 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.600 to like practice records or you went straight in and 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.480 went straight straight, straight straight. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.680 To the booth I came home, Yeah, nah, I kind 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.880 of I kind of was like already kind of season, 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.040 like we had just did an album. We did an 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.799 album in twenty twenty three, right like like right before 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.640 I came home, a joint call influential, Okay from from there, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:29.280 you know what I mean. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.720 Look at that, Yeah, from you know what I'm saying. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.479 And then so coming So when I came home, I 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.800 was kind of like like right with it, like you 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.640 know what I'm saying. Like, So that was kind of 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.200 how it was like kind of easy transition in a way, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:39.600 you know. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.279 Because obviously when you came you went away, it was 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.799 on the hottest record label, like arguably on the planet. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:49.359 I mean. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.839 Was it was? It was it hard to come home 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:59.240 and and transition into this this independent thing. 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:01.680 No, I mean not really. 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.279 I mean I had I had to add some good 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.640 product production, you know, got me shout to Lean Brothers, 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.200 you know what I'm saying, cover cover one in the 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.440 in the Boys many They definitely helped help the process 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.520 because you know, I was, like you said, I was 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.040 used to a certain thing as far as music. But 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.800 like before I went in, I mean yeah, actually before 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.360 I went in, I was kind of already kind of 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.960 like going you know, doing the independent thing, like you 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.599 know what I mean, Like I was, you know, going 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.719 through what I was going through, and you know, with 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:31.840 the drugs and all of that. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.360 So it was it wasn't really like. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.159 I was doing the thing with Bad Boy like that 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.520 at the time anyway, So I kind of knew what 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.479 that independent life was like. You know what I'm saying. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.840 Somebody told me that that that you had a slight 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.680 drug problem, but I never I never seen that. So 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:51.560 was that you how did it? Or you over thinking that? Yeah? 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.880 Not know, I mean you know, I definitely I definitely. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.800 Was was what you call like a functional kind of 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.440 do it. I always kind of knew it. I had 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.840 to do things I had and I had children, so 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.960 you know, I always, you know, try to support myself 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.440 type of thing, you know what I'm saying. So, you know, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.919 but you know I did. I did have a drug issue, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:13.360 you know. I mean, I got to admit that. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.200 You know, you had it when you went in you 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:17.239 have to kick it inside. 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.120 Yeah, yeah, I definitely I had. I definitely was, you know, 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.120 still on drugs, you know what I'm saying. When I 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.919 went in, you know what I mean, I was, you know, 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:25.600 messing with that dust and all of that, you know 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.400 what I'm saying. You know, so when I went in, 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.440 it was kind of like, you know, it ain't no 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:37.720 more dust, so here we. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:38.440 Go, you know what I mean. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.560 So, you know, and then it was one of them 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.320 things where I kind of, you know, it was like 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.880 all right, well, you know, what are you getting so 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:48.520 high for now? 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.640 You know what I mean. So gradually, you know. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.560 I kind of just kind of just stepped away from 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:53.680 a lot of that stuff. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:54.000 You know what I mean. 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:56.960 Well, and I imagine that the music was kind of 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.880 because you said you continued writing and trying to make 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:00.320 me music. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:01.720 It must have been therapeutic too. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.920 To tell yeah, hell yeah, hell. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.599 I mean, it wasn't like I was actually writing about anything, 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.400 but it's just the energy that, you know that I 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.680 had the exude to kind of do that stuff. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:12.880 It was therapeutic for sure. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.800 I'm gonna tell you something. I'm not sure if you know. 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.200 I go on black Twitter, right, it was the most 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.240 negative place on it. I'm right this Twitter. I just 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.560 I go to the nigga section, right, I'll give it 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.800 they got a black The first day I see black Twitter, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.440 like be positive was the day you came home. That 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.720 was the only time I didn't see people like so 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.240 I'm looking for the hate. I'm looking for somebody liked, 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.480 and I was like the first time. So I want 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.040 to I want to ask you, do you do you 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.520 feel the love from the streets, because the streets smuck 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.240 with you, like genuinely happy you. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.040 Came home like I ain't gonna lie, Okay, I'm listening 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.040 you felt that, Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, like like 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.880 honestly I was. You know, I'm surprised as well, like 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.000 you know, like like you said, I'm looking for it 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.080 like then you know, but you know, brothers, I think 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.800 I think you know it hit like a spiritual being 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.600 and a lot of people you know what I'm saying, 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:12.440 and dudes just related. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.040 They didn't relate when I first did it. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.160 Though, they were When I first myself in it was crazy. 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.880 They was like like what, like you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:21.560 like you know what I mean. 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.560 So especially being in there, you know what I mean, 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.600 Like I had to explain myself. You know a lot 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.560 of you know, the different you know, different times things 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.840 of that nature, you know, and you know, after a while, 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.000 it seemed like as time went on, you know, I 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.640 would running the brothers and they used to be like, yo, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.079 I kind of understand where you're coming from, Like you 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.240 know what I mean. Especially people that caught like you know, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.480 had like you know, kill people and killed have bodies 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:44.160 and stuff like that. 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.760 They can relate to whatever you were feeling that made you. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:47.760 Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:49.640 Like a lot of people that didn't have that kind 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.599 of situation in jail was like, yo, was like I 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.079 don't understand, like you know what I mean. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:55.840 I had to like, yo, listen, did you ever do 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:56.520 something like that? 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:56.760 You know? 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.560 Brothers just like well, nah, you know what I mean. 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:00.880 So it was one of. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.800 Them things, and I mean, you know that that's that 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.400 was something real honorable ship like like because like most 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:09.840 people would have just let that go. 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.600 And so was it was it guilt? I mean I 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.920 think it was more like balance. Okay, you know what 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.040 I'm saying. Balance, Yeah, like balance, like you know what 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.080 I'm saying. Like I felt like, you know, I was 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.520 blessed I had you know, I remember sitting at the table, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.600 I had my children around me, like I was like, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:28.200 you know what I'm saying, like you know, you know, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.959 survivor's guilt is crazy, Like you know what I'm saying, crazy, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.920 It's like damn you know, so that it was one 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.600 of them things like you know, after a while, I 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.040 started thinking like, yo, you know I should at least 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.520 try to get that, you know, make it right in 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:41.320 some type of way. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.000 You know what I mean. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:43.920 Do you do you huddle up with the family before 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:45.559 you make that move and say this is what I'm 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:46.200 about to do. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.560 With family talking about his family or his family. 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.599 Well, I kind of, you know, spoke on it a 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.400 little bit, you know, not not kind of right like 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.120 at the time when I was doing it, but I 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.199 had spoken you know, what if what if you know, 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.480 what I'm saying, like, you know, you know, did this 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:01.960 back in the days. What if I was just trained 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:03.720 myself in for that, Like, what would you what would 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:04.480 you think about that? 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:04.800 You know? 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.319 You know, nah, you don't that's that's really you know, 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.959 that's in the past and you know stuff like that. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.520 You know. So I was weighing my options for a while, 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.839 you know. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.120 With your kids, you know, change everybody's life. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.240 If a friend step to you with that same thing, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:20.280 would you tell them. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:21.120 To turn myself? 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.480 I probably would say nah, man, I don't think I'd 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.800 be like, but again, like we could wouldn't understand what 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:29.480 was weighing on them, you know. 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.040 I mean, yeah, I mean I guess I guess. I 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.800 guess you could. You had to, you had to be 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.400 going through it, you know what I mean. You know, 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.319 it's it's it's one of those things that like a 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:41.880 lot of people say, yo, I don't you know, I 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.880 don't know if if I could have did that, you know, 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.599 I think if if you was in my shoes and 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:50.920 the creative put that in your spirit, you might have 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.000 did it too, you know what I mean. So you know, 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.240 I just be like, I don't really know what to 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.280 say to it at the time, I just I just 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:58.839 you know, I just tell them it's my. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.800 Experience in your past. Yeah, that's the most honorable ship 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:09.440 I've ever heard of my life. Bro. You know, a 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.240 lot of a lot of people would have took that 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.680 and just lived their life, you know what I'm saying. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.880 And just like and you you were on you have 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.480 a record deal, Like it's like in retrospect, I can 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.280 see I can see you and look at you and 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:23.760 just tell your honorable person. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.000 But still that's it. 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:30.040 That's that takes an honorable person to admit that, and 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:31.439 I appreciate it. 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.920 It was hard though, I know, I couldn't be. 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.400 I never when I when I was walking into the precinct, 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.040 I was like, I don't believe you doing this, Like 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.320 I'm telling myself that, you know what I mean, Like yeah, 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:45.600 it was like you know what I'm saying. It's like 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.240 another person talking to to me, like yo, you know. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.199 But I was like, you know, it was just something 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:51.840 that I had to do. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.000 Man. Well, and I imagine, like I know, jail is 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.240 a tough period, but I imagine like a lot of 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.120 people in the system gave you love for that, like 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.840 get you, like I'm asking, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.040 It was kind of like, you know, I had a 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.120 different situation, a different experience in there because of that. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.040 You know, it was kind of like people were like, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:16.920 that's you know alone, like you know what I'm saying, 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.840 Like it is what it is, bro, you know. And 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.560 then you know, I was already kind of you know, 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.200 in that in that vein like in that you know, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.960 going down that path being locked up a lot, you 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:29.480 know what I mean, because I was like, you know, 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.480 out there, you know, getting arrested for just you know, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:33.440 just all types of shit. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.640 So I was like, can I curse something. 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:44.440 Like so yeah, you know, yeah, so you know, dudes, 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.360 dudes had I wasn't like kind of a stranger to 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.320 being locked up like I had just did like a 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:53.000 bullet like about two years before that and all of that. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.080 So you know, me being in there. 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.679 Was kind of like like almost normal. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.079 Dudes like, yeah, that's that, and it might have you 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:02.640 never knew, it might have saved your life in another 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:03.600 way that you don't even know. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.800 Yeah, I think I believe, so, y'all. Wasn't I was 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.800 going nowhere fast? Yeah, I was like, you know, everything 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.400 was kind of just like a desperate, uh, you know, 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:19.320 attempt at trying to you know, achieve or get back 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.520 to something that you know wasn't there, you know what 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:21.880 I mean. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.320 Now, one thing that happened while you was away was 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.920 the passion of Black Rob. And I didn't realize how 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.520 close y'all was. Did you get on through Black Rob? 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.800 The Black Woman put you on? Then you signed the 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.480 Bad Boy? Yeah that's how it happened. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.439 Yeah, okay, Or it was like kind of my bro 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:41.680 my bro knew him. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:43.760 You know, he was from the same neighborhood. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.360 But I actually, yeah, all right, I'm like like a 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.280 block away from him, you know what I mean. But 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.120 I never actually met him. I knew he, I knew 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:52.040 he signed. 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:52.160 And all of that. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.600 Oh you never met Black Now, I had never met him, 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.360 you know, prior to that, you know what I mean. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.959 And then my man knew him, my man Pooker Broxy, 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.640 he knew he was like yo, yo, he let Rob 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.480 here one of the tapes I had demo tape joint 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.240 and he was like, yo, Rob, He's like yo. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.839 He wanted to meet you and all of that. One 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:10.800 of them things. I was like what. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.520 And one day he came and got me Likeyo, Rob 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.520 up the block. You know what I'm saying, you wanted 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.240 to meet you just come through. I came up, came 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.000 up the block, and he was just like, Yo, you 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.840 know I used to tell you. Yeah, so yo say 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.000 y'all want you on my album? I was like, this 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.160 is the first day meeting. Yeah, first day meeting. You're 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.720 a good dude. Yeah, Like and I mean telling brothers that, 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.160 like his heart was like tremendous day. He wasn't one 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.240 of them dudes that like gate keep anything. Like he'd 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:37.960 be like yeah, you know what I mean. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.440 Like that was just how he was like. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:41.880 And that's what he did for, you know, for me 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:43.960 with with the album, Like he was like, come on down, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:45.600 you know on the album. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:46.480 You know what I mean. 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.880 I got on the album and it just so happens. 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.280 The album was in nineteenety nine. Yeah, the life story 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.280 Training cool, so. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:56.440 Hard. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.120 Pierre happened to be there that day and then you 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:00.640 know that was how I want get shigned. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:01.920 Okay, well. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.480 Special Delivery, Little Wayne Yeah did it over? 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.720 Yeah? Where was you at when you found out that 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.440 Little Wayne did it over? And this is argusly one 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.680 of the biggest artists in the world hell yeah. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.120 I mean I was I forgot, I know, I know, 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.960 somebody pulled up and was like, yo, yo, Wayne, did 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.000 you joint over man? 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:20.960 Yeah? 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.240 And I'm like, I'm like what you know? 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:25.800 Then when I heard it, you know, I felt some 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.480 kind of way at first though, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.720 I was like we all do all do when someone saying, well, 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.360 first a little bit better say I was. 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:36.480 You know what I'm saying, I'm like, damn, like why 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.600 would he you know, like it was a single, Like 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.040 you know, you could have picked anything, you know what 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.440 I mean, This is my single, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:48.120 But then like. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.240 I'm like, I'm like, yo, so like I could see 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.200 you take somebody like kind of album cut, you know 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.640 what I mean, but like this was my actual single 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:01.840 that you made his single as well. But then I 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.040 thought about it, you know what I mean, And didn't 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.240 you think about like history. 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.440 Of hip hop like dudes do it all the time. 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.680 And I was just like I dawned on me, like 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.080 a exactly like how many times people in a sample 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:16.080 Big Daddy came. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:17.160 Ain't no half stepping. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:18.720 But you know what I mean. You know what I 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.480 don't like is like when they take the record and 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.280 they make they make it what it wasn't. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:25.680 Supposed to be. 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.880 Like I had a record that I dedicated to my father. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.080 Of course sometimes that. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:30.720 Was my joint. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.320 So a couple of people, don't want to say, a 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.120 couple of people sampled it and they made the record 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.440 kind of like happy, and I was like, this record 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.840 wasn't meant to be happy, Like this is a record. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:41.200 About my father. 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.880 So that's really when I really take it personally, when 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.280 they take the record like something like that. 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:45.840 So personal. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:50.000 My father was the reason why I loved Wayne and 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.880 the reason why fun we went because Wayne didn't band 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:57.320 from TV over twice that seriously, but he keeps it 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.200 like that. He keeps it up that alley where it's 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:00.840 respect us. You know what I'm saying. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:02.040 You can tell he's an artist. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:02.400 Artist. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:03.520 Hell yeah, I understood it. 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:05.719 As time went on, I was like, you know, shout out, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:06.960 shout out, d Wayne Man. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:07.200 You know. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.359 But I was like, yeah, at first, I was like, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.040 what have you seen Wayne since you've been home? 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.320 Nah? I wonder what a g dep in? Little Wayne 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:19.080 recommend sound like it sounds like so you know you're 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.600 not drinking. But we we got a game called qick 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.680 time with give us flowers, manos, come on, my mother 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.399 had well officer was about giving people they flowers so 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.760 they could smell them. And bro, this is long overdue. 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.560 We wanted to give you your flowers. Your face you. 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:41.760 Whoa, I never get over you. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:44.640 Know. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.720 Hell, yeah that's better than so yeah, let's do it. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.520 Well, we needed to resonate. The drinker could do sunning. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.159 You can do his man what I meant. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.439 Yeah, yeah, he man. 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:00.679 Don't get it. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.480 It is long dirty a little yeah. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.159 I mean, you know, it's crazy New York City. You 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:06.920 could smoke on. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:11.119 Parole, but you can't drink on Hell it's crazy and 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.639 they and they like it really come get you, like, yo, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:18.359 you're drinking. Ain't playing chance many I'm not playing. The 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.520 other day the other day, I. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.720 Jumped out the cars and New York obviously right, I 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.600 jump out the car, and I walked right into dispensively right, 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.720 and I bought. But and I just really thought to myself, 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.640 how many times did I get arrested doing the same 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.400 exactly like you had to be bugging when you came home. 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.679 You still I'm still everywhere they will be bugging. Bro, 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.640 I'm like yo, like that she is unheard of, Like 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:45.400 that was like a little. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.560 Richeal, you know, from the police, and now they're like 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:55.280 yo over. That's just crazy to me, man. But you know, 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.240 it is what it is. It's not legal down here. 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.680 It's approved. 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:06.560 But I think Trump took that away from y'all from Yeah. Now, 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:11.320 yet during the process of doing they stopped the recreational here. Yeah, 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:12.320 so it's only medical. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.360 Oh yeah, no, it's just medically yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.840 but it was on the ballot this year. Yeah, they're 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:17.320 gonna make it. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:17.800 Took that out. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.880 Yeah, okay, all right, quick time with slime. 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.000 We're gonna give you. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.680 Hold yeah, what what you're drinking? 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:25.879 Tequila? 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.879 No tequila or tequila? You said, oh tequila, We got it. 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:31.880 We're gonna give you two choices. 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.960 You pick one, we're not drinking, you say, basically, you 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:36.520 don't want to answer. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.680 You say both are neither. Then we all drink. 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:40.119 You're not, he's drinking. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.560 Okay, So one's got two choice. 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.959 Really, this is just bringing up names and stories. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.400 Okay, but if you pick one, like we're gonna say 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.320 this person or this person, and you pick one, you're 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:53.680 not drinking. 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:54.320 Nobody's drinking. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.600 But if you don't want to really answer, be. 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.000 Like both neither of them. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:19:59.840 We all drink, got to drink. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:01.840 You don't answer if you made the question, we're drinking 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.440 and these guys write it over there. Yeah, that's them 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.320 they're doing. It's not us. That's the cocaine session the 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.280 Dominican in Colombia right right there, they do this, not 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:13.840 a coca. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.400 Okay, Max B or Jim Jones. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:23.640 I had to say, I'm not I'm not too familiar 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:29.120 with with with Max B's like catalog is as as Jim, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.160 so I would have to say, gym on that that's fair. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.320 Camera Mace, camera, Mace. 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:36.680 I don't know. 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:37.320 I ain't gonna do. 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:39.040 You go. 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:48.760 By the way, that's that's correct answer. That's the kill. 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:58.560 What is that? Yeah? That was math fast. That was 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:03.280 that was quick time with since we drinking and. 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:06.720 M hm, yoh yeah. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.080 Sockey is really like a you have to do this 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.800 with a with a partner. You can't drink socky by yourself. 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:13.800 But I broke the rules already. 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.800 You're pouring into your freezer to cheers. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:20.640 My bad. 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:37.640 Okay, okay, drink black raw or big al black wow, 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.119 but big Al I like I like like I like 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:46.439 you damn Yeah, rest in pizza, rest in piece of 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.119 black Wow, rest in piece of big Al. I had 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.200 to say, I'm gonna go with my bro man black 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:53.720 Wow Man. 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:58.359 Give her, give her interact with big l Yeah. 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:00.960 I definitely, definitely. I met him a few times. That 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.359 was it was cool. Quiet dude, just you know, just 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:05.400 come do his do his. 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:06.320 Work, you know what I mean. 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.840 We never looked like hung out. I met him in 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:11.879 a few studios. It's like I always ran into him 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:12.440 in the studio. 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:15.680 Sorry, sorry to cut you off. 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:18.640 So, but that had to be a shocking experience too, 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.199 because when you went away, we all had to be 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.440 in the same studios together. Now, motherfucker could just throw 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.960 you send your record. What's that shocking for YouTube? 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.879 Yeah? Yeah, but it was kind of like it was 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.000 just where stuff was headed, like you know what I mean. 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:35.560 Like you knew it was headed that way the director. 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.280 Yeah, because when I left, I left, I left when 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.080 they you know, still I had an iPhone and all 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.280 of that, you know what I mean, So I understood 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.280 how compact things was going, you know what I mean. 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:46.119 Like I used to I used to go to the 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.399 I used to go to the studio with the with 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.320 the ps member when PSP's first came out, and so 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:55.919 I would like like like kind of upload the beats 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.320 to the PSP. Like I was kind of on to 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:00.440 the technology, you know what I'm saying. So I kind 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:02.040 of knew that stuff was starting to get to be 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.160 you know, like it was going it was going there, 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:04.680 you know what I mean. 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.679 But it's still amazing to me. I love it. 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.919 Technology. Motherfuckers really can make a whole album on the 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.120 phone now, Like beats recorded everything on the phone. 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.080 You don't even any people because they could do it all. 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:23.119 Yeah, yeah, seesion for you. 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:25.320 Kiss or push your tea. 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:33.240 I had to say kiss, okay, Harlem World or dip set, 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:35.320 Hall them World or dip set. 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:42.679 I don't know, man, I don't know. 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.720 That's a shot. So you're saying both. 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.359 Yeah, I'm saying both. Yeah, Hall them World. 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:50.440 That's that. 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:54.200 That was masing up. That was Mason Loan, you know 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:54.680 what I mean. 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.680 Uh, Well he got up two shots, right. 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:02.879 Sugar Jay and all of them shout the shout, the 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:10.440 blinky blinking all them what no rough riders a Rockefeller 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:19.040 rough riders a Rockefeller Jamie. I had to say, I 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:21.120 had to say rough Riders. I know I know them, 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:22.800 you know, I know them personally, you know what I mean? 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:31.600 So ready to die or life after death, Life after death. 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:35.480 And you got to meet big Big right, Nah. Iin't 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:37.880 get to meet bay Na. Nah. 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.200 I've seen him one time in the tunnel before before 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:45.199 I got the and all of that, like just like 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.600 not not really performing, but he was just kind. 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:50.680 Of just chilling. He was like, that's that bigg Schwans doing. 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:57.080 He was dumb tall. I was like, man, that's funny. 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.800 He's just him And I was like, why he don't 0:24:58.840 --> 0:24:59.440 have security? 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:00.159 Man? 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:01.080 I was. 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.479 I was so shocked not having security to be in 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:04.880 one of the toughest clubs. 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:04.960 In the world. 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.720 Yeah, hell yeah. He was like yeah, yeah. It wasn't 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:13.280 like no club. Yeah. He was saying, you sex, bathrooms. 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:22.520 It was just like just like God of this case, David. 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.040 You can tell they're trying to give you all them questions. Yea. 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:29.800 As the fact, Dave Evado, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:35.399 go with the bro Davis Man. Nas or l L 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:37.480 you know that was the Queen's question. 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:41.359 To Long. 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:49.400 Uh now you said NASO or l L. I ain't 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:53.199 gonna lie l l kind of uh uh kind of 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.520 was one part of my you know, my experience of 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:59.000 getting into one to rap and all that. So I'm 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.400 gonna have to say, oh man man really hell yeah, 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.840 el Fan, I ain't gonna lie hell yeah yeah hell yea. 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.080 Early I was like, Yo, this kid is Elis Man. 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.080 I can see that, I can see, I can see 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:14.719 you come home. Or hell yeah, wu tang or public 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:20.040 enemy mm hmm. I had to go. I had to 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:21.000 go with pe on that. 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.080 Fight, the Power Baby fight, the. 0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:29.879 Power Rock came a big daddy king Damn not might 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.480 I'm taking the shop every Damn I don't know. 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.399 I had to say both that one. Well, yeah, I 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:45.440 have to say both too. Odor Curtis blow. 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:53.560 Comod Man come from Harlem to right. 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:57.320 Yeah one twittery nice street com. 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:07.600 We uh talk about the Wild West Haul. 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:09.440 That's what that's why. 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:14.360 Yeah, that's just like the West Sideways. 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.760 Thinking that, I mean, we would know I noth from here. 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:20.000 We wouldn't even know, right, But he had to He 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:28.000 had the Cowboys. Yeah you wouldn't know that too, Pa Easy. 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:30.920 I had to go with Pok on that one. I 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.600 never met Parking, No, I met Biggie. I never met Park, Yeah, 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:36.880 I would have loved that met him. He another one 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:41.720 I've seen in the tunnel really yeah. Yeah. It was 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.000 like it was it was just it was ill because 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:47.280 like you know how the tunnel had that some steps. Okay, yeah, 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.000 so you walking in no like a like kind of 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:51.480 towards the back going to the bathroom. 0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:52.440 Yeah yeah, okay yeah. 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.919 So so I'm on the top of the steps and 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:56.480 I'm just like, I'm like, who the hell is that? 0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:58.520 Like you got the red jacket on with the ball head. 0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.840 This is when they was filming above the room. 0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.920 So he was in town and so like I'm looking, 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.320 I'm like, yo, who they You can see like females 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:08.240 following him and all that. 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:09.359 I'm like, yo, who the hell is that? 0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.360 Like I'm looking, And then he got at the ball 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.240 and then so it was a little closer and I 0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.840 could tell it was him. And then like it was 0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.440 just like they was just on his body, like they 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.400 was like trying to grab him. He kept like that 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:25.880 and all I could see is like him just kept 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.920 turning around. I was like, damn, I get popped. It 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.560 was like beides like he was just he was just 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.560 walking through the crowd and then he just like he 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:37.399 went to the ball like they was just like trying 0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.040 to I guess they was trying to get his autograb 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:39.560 with something. 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:45.080 He was that guy son ain't gonna lie biz Mark 0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:45.800 here o dB. 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:51.200 I'm gonna go with it. I'm gonna go with the 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:52.520 Bismark on that one. 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:54.360 There's some piece of boat. 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.200 I think ODB would go to Bismark with that one. 0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.680 He would pick biz he wrapped or cars one. This 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.400 is its gotta be tough. Yeah, that's tough. 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.960 I got I gotta go with both fore now Yeah, 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.160 trying to get it, trying to get mob Deep drink 0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.680 you're not drinking holdok, I ain't drinking neither hold on 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:19.000 because I like it. 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:20.320 The next one I was, you were like you wanted 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:21.840 to beat me to no no, no no. 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:22.800 I just like that. 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.760 Mom Deep that he's some hard question. I ain't gonna 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:29.720 lie man mob Deep. 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:30.440 But m O p. 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:33.520 M. 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:35.800 That's gonna have to take another shot. 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:49.440 Clips or or e p M d mm hmm e 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:54.560 p m d okay, spell ye Rocky on a sap for. 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:57.600 I'm gonna go. 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.200 I'm gonna go with the original man a Rocky in 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:00.920 that one. 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:05.560 Yeah, I ain't gonnat a sap, my man, my homie 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:08.680 with the Ballymena slippers you had on this out of 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:09.360 the day. 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.360 I almost disclaimed he had the ball. 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.280 Somebody pull that up. That's my friend. 0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:18.360 I love him. 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:23.160 Hell, that's the drink, his Canadian whiskey, do everything. But 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:24.880 those slippers had me hurt. 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:25.520 Damn. 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.480 It was not cool with that. You know I'm talking 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.840 about you see it? And they read too like like 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.840 like he was like, Darthy, I'm Darthy like that ship. 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:36.800 I'm going back to. 0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:37.520 Kansas, that ship. 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:37.880 You know. 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:40.760 That's why I was. I looked, I was almost texting. 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.480 I was like, I was texting him. I was like, none, 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.040 none of this is gonna come off good. Just let 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:47.160 this go, let this go. 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:53.680 No, no, no, no, no, that's seriously oh nah, all of that. 0:30:55.040 --> 0:31:02.200 It's really the dory. Maybe he's on the Michael Jackson sip. 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.720 And you know what's so crazy about Sam. I'm gonna 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:09.760 give him the past. I'm gonna give him the past 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:13.120 because in two years from now, I think people are 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.520 going to be rocking these. They'll follow him, hopefully, hopefully 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:17.360 they'll follow him. 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:21.360 But me personally, I am not. 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.640 Not on this one, you bro the troopers, but there's 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:32.320 no condition. Is this Harlem the Hallow hallm disclaimed him immediately? 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:34.160 This is not Hall. 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:35.880 Them not playing Harlem for that. 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:41.080 Those is like just basically like shoot, like they look 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.080 like shoes, Like I'm just asking. 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:46.200 They look like the jelly knives one on the left 0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:47.520 is not the same one he's wearing. 0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:52.800 They did him dirty. Oh, you're right, but it's two different. 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:55.600 It's more like lowers like loafers, but. 0:31:55.600 --> 0:32:00.520 It's closer straight up, Dorothy, Right, you're right. 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.200 Yeah, they got dirty. 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:06.000 Shoe and you can't really see it. Good. 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:12.200 Okay, Okay, okay, there's no pass for that, damn. 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.920 But you gotta be honest. So fucking yeah, I guess. 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:24.720 I guess going crazy, But like that paying him for 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:25.840 a New Jack City. 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:32.920 Paid him full or New Jack City? That's tough, man, 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.520 that's both Hallow them to hell. Yeah, well Jack was 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:39.480 call them too. I'm gonna go with New Jack City. 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:42.040 Okay. 0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:47.280 It's my favorite question of all loyalty or respect? 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:53.600 Mm hmm. That's a question's favorite one. That's a great question. 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:05.280 I would have to say, I would have to say respect. 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:08.880 I would have to say respect. I'm gonna take a shot. 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:16.840 You're gonna say both both, because loyal loyalty is like. 0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.160 That you can respect somebody and kind of not be loyal, 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.760 like you know what I mean, Like you know, it's 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.280 kind of respect. It's kind of more more blanket. It's 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.400 like more of a blanket broader statement, you know what 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.840 I mean. Loyalty is kind of specific, right, you know, 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:37.560 but they both kind. 0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.680 Of I always say that's strong. That's the only time 0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.400 in this whole program that you're supposed to say both, 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.719 because I feel like it goes hand in hand. That's me, Yeah, 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.920 that's me personally. It does. Give me another shot, though, 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:51.720 give another shot, Give another shot. 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:52.480 Before he walks. 0:33:52.320 --> 0:34:05.320 Off that shippy man though Stay Ready album. 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:09.000 And that was like he killed it, Yo. 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:13.279 Appreciation yo, listen like one of the producers, hell any 0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.160 any any on one of the songs. 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.920 Okay okay okay yo. Bro, I'm I'm not gassing you. 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.600 I appreciate it. Like listen, bro, we be here listening 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:24.320 to other people's music and we harrified, like before people 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.719 come in, what did we tell this guy. 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:27.320 About his album? 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:31.319 Like yes, ship yo, that ship I was really really 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.920 impressed and and the fact is like, I'm not gashing 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:36.680 you like because. 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.760 I'm I'm listening to your cas I'm listening. 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.640 To your breath control. I'm listening. I was like, he 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:42.440 had to keep rhyming, he had to keep y like 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.359 you didn't take like it shows and and and by 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.440 the way, if you ain't got these albums, you need 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:49.640 to go get these albums. 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.279 This is this is dope. Jesus, I ain't gonna lie. 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:53.560 I would love this. I would love to get it. 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.480 Collaborate with Let's go, let's go, come on, come on. 0:34:56.600 --> 0:35:00.920 The retirementiate Tim the first left to me the first 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:06.240 t other day in the shower. It was weird. Sometimes 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:12.680 got it. Sometimes something would hit me and I smoke 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.279 so much. But I have to write that ship down immediately. 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:17.719 So I had to write. I had to write. I 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.440 wrote a whole fucking rhyme in the shower. But it 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.960 was like weird because because I kept not getting my 0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:23.520 phone wet. 0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.200 But I was like, so I was out. 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.240 I was like, if my wife walking at any point, 0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:33.600 I'm gonna look crazy. 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:34.360 In the phone. 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:36.480 I felt it, so I just hurried up. 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.280 But hold on, one thing we didn't have on the list, 0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.520 Major versus indie now that you've experienced both. 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.560 So yeah, I ain't gonna lie you see. You see, 0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:48.920 I'm still getting used to the indie life, you know 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.520 what I mean. You see how you know certain things, 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.160 certain things, you know what I mean, You like like 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.440 just for instance, just me being lazy just now, like 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.680 trying to handle everything. You know, it's kind of you know, 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.600 it's a lot, you know, and you kind of you know, 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.759 long for the days where you could just be an 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.799 artist and just like we all the hats like, you. 0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:11.360 Know, he's playing it the right way. 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:16.920 So I always always, I always say major right, and 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:18.640 you could relate. 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:19.720 I relate. 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.319 There's nothing like being on a major label like at 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:24.759 that height. 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.600 That height now I know, and when you're that artist, 0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:29.920 because you could be on a major label and be 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:31.919 that is the low end of that list and they're 0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:32.480 not treating you this. 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.879 That's the emotion, you know what correct said. But when 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.720 you are that guy being on bad Boy compares to nothing. 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.200 I'm just letting you know. I remember seeing that bad 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:46.759 Boy trained like and that ship. 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.920 It definitely definitely trained you. I mean, spoil you. 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:57.759 Listen. I'm not gonna lie to you. If the go 0:36:57.920 --> 0:36:59.600 from that like me. 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:02.200 It was fucked up for me because I was wrong 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:06.440 Penalty Records. Penalty was actually an independent that was signed 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.560 to a major that acted as a major. That was 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:13.000 an independent, it was a major independent. So was fucked 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:19.080 up about me. And in the situation with me was 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:20.920 I had to make it to a certain extent for 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.319 that budget to actually open, because that makes sense. So 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.200 I had to so see y'all, yah, y'all, spoiler man, y'all. 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.160 But we had to, like we had to make a 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:37.200 certain amount for the major to start acting. So coponin 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.960 Noriega's whole first album was independent. 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:41.560 It wasn't. 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.000 It didn't. It didn't get picked up by Tommy Boy. 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.520 Took like two hundred and fifty thousand units, which took 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.919 us a long time. 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:52.239 I love talking. 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:56.680 To to people like you because we experienced that that 0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:02.080 like right now, like as you said, you would land somewhere. 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:05.440 You know, we used to have street wraps. 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.319 I worked, I worked, I mean I worked, I worked 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:09.160 your records. 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:10.479 My boy boys, he was on the street team. 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:15.920 Remember you don't You don't remember when you used to 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.839 land there used to be a street rep who will 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:22.160 actually pick you up. The whole street team oh yeah, 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.879 street teams I love. So when I went to I'm 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:31.600 gonna tell you, when I went from Nash, I complain, 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.640 I gotta pay for my own car. I gotta I 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.600 gotta swipe my crack like yo. 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:44.239 So remember remember what you're giving up through his ownership. 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.160 You know sometimes it I mean, I'm just saying that. 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:49.879 I mean, as long as you're willing to give it up. 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:51.279 But that's what you're giving up at. 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.960 The end of the day, is the owners the catalog. 0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.960 It's like me and Ma and dep was just saying, 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.800 a lot of us never had ownership in the first place. 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:06.520 So when a person samples your record, that's why you 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:08.440 said at first he was like yo. 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:11.200 A lot of the times when. 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.120 People sampled my records and it's the records that I 0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:17.080 didn't own, I actually get nothing out of that. All 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.239 I get is a look and a shout out. I 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:20.399 don't want to shout out of the look. 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:22.640 But you were never really independent, That's what I'm trying 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:23.920 to say. Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.520 So that's the reason why when you got people like 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.799 us and people sample us and they don't, they don't 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.200 have to clear it through through like I found out 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:37.320 my record was on Entourage in the movie theater. Damn, 0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:42.279 that's fucked up. You're being nice to be saying that. Still, 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:50.000 that's fun up, bro. Like I literally was like, oh ship, 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:51.680 And people turned around they looked at me, and it 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.799 was like, oh, you wasn't going to tell us? And 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:57.600 I was like I didn't know, Butal didn't call me. 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:01.080 They cleared it through par Real all has owner of 0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:01.560 the label. 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.799 Yeah, this was it, super dog. 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.520 Remember the producer automatically only fifty percent. 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:12.080 Automatic, not of the master, and the masters will need 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.560 to be cleared for the for that license. Well whatever, 0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:19.440 unless he made an l deal from the beginning that 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:21.200 he wants a part of the master, which is which 0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:21.960 which at that. 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.200 Time he was he was eventually later because you remember, 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:28.080 you gotta remember that catalog was sold so like so 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.280 like like you might like you might bad boys, catalog 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.759 was so so that's what was so fucked up, Like 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:38.080 my catalog and your catalog, Like if if they sell it, 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.040 you have to deal with a whole nother different regimes, 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:43.919 people that you never you didn't make. 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:44.400 The records with. 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:50.080 Artist artists, Get your ship together, own your masters. 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:50.720 Yeah. 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:56.120 Also, I say everybody got to be on a major 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:57.800 for one album. 0:40:58.080 --> 0:40:59.239 Yeah, for one album. 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.359 Got the best way to be on the majors be independent, 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.600 successfully independent. Then you can go and make the deal 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.120 with the major as an independent where you keep your 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.520 ownership and now you just use the machine versus the 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:11.120 other way around. 0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:13.720 When you come in fresh, they take advantage of everything. 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:14.279 Yeah. 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:15.520 Hell, you definitely learned. 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.920 Learn you learned being a major, I mean being independent 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.320 after being in a major, definitely, Like because it's stuff 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.640 now that I'm like, I kind of like like I 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.719 kind of like got a new respect for majors, Like 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.400 you know what I'm saying, Like damn and the money 0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:33.160 they was putting up the. 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.440 Time, Like you know what I mean, Like you know 0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:35.880 how when. 0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:38.120 You finished the album, like with The Lessons Never Lost, 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.879 is I kind of put that together, you know, independently, 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:46.239 so you know, typing up the lyrics, copyrighting everything, registering, 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:47.520 registering it on. 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:50.279 You know. 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.640 Was like I was like, that's why it's hard to recruit, 0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:55.160 because they say, look at all that we had to 0:41:55.160 --> 0:42:00.640 pay for lawyers, more cleric team, the publishers. 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.840 I told you what time I paid for a billboard 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.239 that I never saw. Well, you know that was the 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:10.279 other hustle too. Oh damn, you're telling me they got 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:11.120 me the market. 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:16.719 You know the market It was a thousand, but everybody 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:18.200 was going on you guess them, you guess them. 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:20.440 Everybody gave us so much money at that time. There 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.080 was so much money and it was an era that 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:22.520 was it ever? 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:23.239 Right? 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:23.960 Yeah? 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:26.200 Do you do you. 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:32.440 Do you believe that that era, like what's your favorite 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.279 era of hip hop? Well, do you believe this is 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.080 the golden years? From nineteen ninety nine to two thousand 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:38.560 and nine? 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.839 Hell yeah, I believe so too. I believe. 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.719 Again faced out nineteen ninety nine, like that era Lace 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:50.560 ninety nine to two thousand and nine. Okay, I believe 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:52.759 that that's one of the golden eras. I want to 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.040 say ninety eight because my album came out in ninety eight, 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:57.239 but I could stretch it out. Yeah. 0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.320 I mean, I think everybody has their own golden eras 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.120 for sure, like yeah, yeah, that is an eraror for sure. 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.080 As far as especially as far as like making money, 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.200 like it was like like the industry was like a 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:09.399 like a cash cow. 0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.960 That was money in the industry. 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.000 Now, I ain't gonna lie. I remember seeing you black 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:20.399 Raw and I remember seeing y'all perform in Jersey. Hell yeah, 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:25.600 I remember I was just watching y'all. Y'all tore that 0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:31.960 ship down, like describe to people because this is the 0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:32.920 one thing you had. 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:33.799 Monsters though, but. 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:43.280 For you, right, because people don't understand we were hustlers 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:43.600 back then. 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:44.279 Right now. 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.640 I hate to say that, like back in my day, 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:48.319 Like I hate to sound like the old guy, right, 0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:52.879 but we can actually live over one record. We could 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:56.160 have one record and live, but we knew how to perform, 0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:02.800 We knew how to have these. Describe people what having 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:08.719 a hit record is, because I I can't like I 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:11.719 can't like tell a person who's never had a hit record, like, yo, 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:13.080 how good of a feeling this? 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:20.920 It's like describe to the Yeah, it's like when you 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.600 when you when you got when you play Mario Brothers 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.960 dress and you hit that brick that this ship just like. 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:29.840 That's what. 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.200 That's what having a hit records like, don't it just don't. 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.680 Stop like you get it's just that you get like 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:41.480 constant gratification, like you know what, that's the word. 0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:43.239 That's kind of what it's like, you know what I mean. 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:48.840 Crazy, It's like you hit that break, that magic break they. 0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:51.399 Always say like they always say that that crackheads chased 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.440 their first high, like the first time that they got high. 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:57.560 If you're artists, you for the rest of your life 0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:00.839 chase that hit record again. Don't give a fuck who 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:02.520 you are, don't give before how much money you got. 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:06.280 It's one of the most phenomenal feelings ever in life, 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.800 like and like just being able to go to a club, 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.960 see somebody look at you and know that they know 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.560 every word to your fucking record. It's one of the 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:21.520 most phenomenal things ever in life, man, And I hope 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.800 everybody could experience that once in their life. Like it's 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:28.759 beautiful man, and especially this that era, that that that 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:32.160 we were in. So now it's also that famous clip, 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:36.279 right even though they heard heard you say that his 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.439 son's called you and pulled up on you. 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.719 Oh for when the day the day we went we met. 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:46.200 That five, I felt that five when you're I was like, 0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:50.480 hell yeah, but I want to commend you. And I'm 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:52.200 gonna tell you why I want to command you. You 0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:53.360 couldn't fake that five. 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.680 That five when kept going like this, it was good 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:57.600 to see the broad. 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.400 That's real love. Break there like we always get it. 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:07.960 We always get the bad side or did it? That's 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.959 what people always say. And I love what you said. 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.880 You said, I believe I forget really said this stuff. 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.400 She was like, I don't know that, Like the bro, 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.080 it wasn't like that to me. I say that ship 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:27.880 and I look crazy when you said that. Everyone believe you. 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.680 But so yeah, I peep that too. 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:33.319 That was that was a dope moment, Like, so what 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:33.880 was that moment? 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:34.399 Like for you? 0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:37.239 It was more, it was just it was just a 0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:40.839 genuine moment like seeing somebody you haven't seen in a while, 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:43.960 Like you know, I couldn't think of I couldn't think 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.239 you know, I couldn't really think of like you know, 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.279 you know, like kind of put the politics and all that, 0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:53.759 like I couldn't even think that way with them, Like 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:55.400 you know what I mean genuine. 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.000 I did said earlier, like I admire you, bro, Like 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.480 you know what I'm saying, Like, like I admire you, bro, 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.640 because it's like I don't know if you knew what 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.839 you did at that moment, but you you first off, 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:16.320 the internet is broke, oh ship gee up and is 0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:22.359 together and Harlem like yeah, but it was it was 0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:25.279 I can tell it was so genuine coming from you. 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.360 You know, we were kind of talking before that, Like 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:28.920 it wasn't like that was the first time. 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:30.800 They hollered him. Was like, you know what I mean. 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:33.960 So, you know, I had I had spoke to him 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.279 like probably about a week or so after I came 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.680 home and we was been trying to get up. 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:40.440 He was like, Yo, I want you to come down here. 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:42.560 I want to see the tweet outs like let's work 0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.160 or something like that. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, you know 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:45.480 what I mean. 0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:49.840 Hit me up and Stevie J contacted me, Oh you 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.000 want to hoigher at you you know, we spoke FaceTime 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:54.239 a few times, you know what I mean. And so 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:56.359 then that that day was just one of the days 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:59.200 they was in town, you know, and kind to find 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:00.680 out that's why he was in town. 0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:02.800 Because you got to you know and all that stuff. 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:05.360 So you know, that was kind of like, you know, 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:07.640 we was already kind of like in the line of 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:09.880 you know, you know, messing with each other and all that. 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:11.920 So when you know, when he came through, it was 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:13.520 just like shut like, you know what I. 0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:16.640 Mean, I heard you say, I heard you describe that 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:18.320 moment as he was regular. 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:21.920 Yeah, like, yeah, it's super regular man. He was like, yo, 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.279 so what you want to do. I was like, you 0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:31.040 don't got nothing to do? I was like hell yeah. 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.040 I was like what you mean. I was like, yo, 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:34.759 all right. So he was like you won't get me 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:36.960 saying to eat it something. I was like, yeah, you 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:38.400 know what I mean. And then we just went and 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:41.680 he was like all right, and then like we just went. 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.000 We were just riding around all of them, like then 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:47.439 we went up there, we shot around to uh. We 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:49.399 was trying to go to see Dougie Fresh real quick 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:52.319 to find him. So we like shot down the West 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:55.880 Side highways like super regular. I'm riding around and the 0:48:55.960 --> 0:49:03.840 Phantom is so crazy with the stars and the like 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:06.719 you fresh out Hell yeah yeah, it just you know, 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:07.839 it was regular man. 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:13.839 So now I'm gonna ask you. First off, the man 0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:20.680 is not guilty, right, he's not guilty, But did you 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:26.080 ever think ten years ago, fifteen years ago that he 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:26.920 would be in jail? 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:30.640 Hell no, that's that's that's just crazy to me. That's 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:31.520 just crazy to me. 0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:34.800 Like I was even saying this like that, it seems 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:35.960 like we're playing around. 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:37.759 That's the fact, like it used to it was like 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:41.120 it was like he was he was the scapegoat to 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:42.960 like just snap on, like. 0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:44.080 Yo, this is crazy. 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:45.839 He's just been this. He's just out of his mind. 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:48.400 But you never would think he was really getting locked up, 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:49.759 Like you know what I'm saying, Like that was the 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.040 firstest thing from out of my mind, Like you know 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:55.279 what I mean, like regardless or whatever, you know, you know, 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:57.439 he was a high strung dude, you know what I'm saying. 0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.600 But I didn't, like I would never think he would 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:00.200 be locked up. 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:08.920 What's the plans? You're opening your own label? What you're 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:10.239 gonna do? What we're doing? 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:12.800 I mean I do. I do have the label. 0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:15.560 I started the label when I was when I was 0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:20.520 locked up in twenty twenty three. About call them black 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:25.560 market black market group recordings, you know what I'm saying. 0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:27.439 So that's because you know, when you put out stuff 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:30.600 on the DSPs, you gotta you gotta put it through 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:31.320 a label. 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:33.880 You don't want to know that, Yeah, like you gotta. 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:35.520 You can't just be You can't put. 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:38.600 Your name yourself victor and just throw out your record. 0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:43.000 Yeah, so you can't. And then you right, so you 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:44.919 can't just upload the iTunes on your own. 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:50.200 You gotta go through the incorporated distribution site like dis 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:52.560 your Kid or two Empire. 0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.360 Hell yeah, I know that, yeah. 0:50:58.440 --> 0:50:59.040 Lomanati. 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.000 Yeah, people that. 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:05.040 Got illuminized what I'm saying, and people that got like 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:08.759 a name, like you can see how like if they 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:10.799 do things on their own, it's a lot to do. 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:12.840 But like, yo, you you could really. 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.200 Like really like kind of cake off, like you know 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:16.440 what I'm saying, because it's just. 0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.839 You, like you know what I mean, right direct eighty 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:20.399 twenty years. 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:22.680 Yeah, hell yer goes to the. 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:26.160 Tom Cars or some of them. 0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:27.840 Some of them don't even have that set up, like 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:29.560 they just want you to pay them, like they get 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:30.359 you could pay. 0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:32.480 Yeah, like just give give me one hundred dollars a 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:36.400 year a subscription to put up ship SoundCloud. 0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:39.360 I don't get it twisted. 0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:42.160 The tech companies are the new major labels, sucking everybody over. 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:44.680 That's one hundred percent for sure, because imagine they don't 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:46.960 got to do no physical ship. All this ship is presal, 0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:48.120 but it goes out. 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:50.279 And they ain't making money, so they're not making money 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:50.960 and the day from. 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:52.799 Anybody that wants to be an artist, that's. 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.239 Right, but still got to pay for his album cover 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.120 Ye used to gotta pay. 0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:02.080 For word yourself making up covering changing quickly. 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:03.920 Yeah, that's that's true. 0:52:04.880 --> 0:52:07.400 I know people it seemed like like like like a 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:09.120 lot of because you know, I'll be on the internet. 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:12.479 You know, I'm doing this independent thing, so I see 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:16.640 like the response from those AI generated kind of things 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:20.600 like people, people was kind of like they're. 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:21.600 Like, yeah, you know what I mean. 0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.600 But sooner or later, like that's just gonna be it. 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:25.080 I see it. 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:27.800 But graphic design is easy like for people not to 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:28.719 even notice it. 0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.560 Yeah yeah, yeah, you definitely could could get. 0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:33.799 It and eventually like they making it look like it's 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:34.359 real life. 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:37.080 Ship. Yeah. I saw a Block May smoking the blunt 0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:39.920 with Snoop Dogg the other day. I lost it. I 0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:44.359 knew it was fakest that's gonna happen. 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:46.200 We're gonna get to a point where we know it's fake, 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:48.680 but we want to believe it. I want to people 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:50.719 are just gonna get in this weird thing where I 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:53.400 know fake, but I'm still gonna write with it like 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:54.600 that might that might you might be. 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:58.120 Writing, We're changing psychology that we don't even understand right. 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:00.960 This moment, Like wow, man, yeah this person. I want 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:04.120 to pick him up, and I felt like using AI 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:11.120 and chat g BT correctly it's being well yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:12.320 I don't know if that video. I don't even know 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:16.719 the videos. He sounded like himself and in that case 0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:23.120 that's what AI now much because because you know, create 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:23.839 his voice. Yeah. 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:27.000 So like with that, he went, I believe this for 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.960 this was real. I don't even know which that's the 0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:31.480 the world we live and we don't know. 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:33.560 We gotta always caveat with I don't know if this 0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:34.719 is real, but I'm gonna tell you this. 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:36.279 Hell yeah, hell yeah. 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:38.600 But yeah, no, that thing that's dope that I think 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:40.440 that's a positive side of there's there's a lot of 0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:41.160 positivity to. 0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:45.239 I mean, well, I am show some positivity. But then 0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:46.759 will I am scared the ship out of me too. 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:51.320 What he had a Voto, he's a voto. No, he 0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:54.040 had about he got a Voto on his AI. Yeah, 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.520 I could be anything. You want to do anything. 0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:02.360 Yeah, Like he got a Mexican do you fuck with. 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:04.400 I'm not. 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:08.000 I'm not. She was scary because I will do regular 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:10.120 ship with it. Oh, I thought about something else. 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:14.520 Mexican Mexican a Mexican accent he had. 0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:17.400 He had his GPS with Mexican accident. Thought that was 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:19.040 so jump accident. 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:22.520 Start talking slang, and the more you talk to it, 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:24.520 it'll talk to you in a way that you talk 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:26.360 and something. 0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:29.160 Say Spanish hollow and that shit starts speaking like the 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:30.279 dudes at the handball court. 0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:34.719 You you don't have to type to it anymore. You 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:35.560 can talk to it direct. 0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:37.360 So what I was saying the creepy ship for me, 0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:39.720 I was, I do regular ship, like just like almost 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:42.239 like Google certain ship. I don't talk to it now, 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:44.680 and she will hear my kids sometimes in the background. 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:46.760 One day he said, Hey, how's your kids doing today? 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:47.560 Hell? 0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:52.200 No, no fucking way no, I'm now wait wait, ready 0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:55.800 for that feature one hundred percent said I'll be like, 0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:57.480 but I you know, I'm on some weird ship. 0:54:57.520 --> 0:54:59.200 I'm like, I'm gonna be nicer this ship because in 0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:00.040 the future make. 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:02.120 I wanted to do. 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:07.399 He was like, like, how you doing, I'm doing, cret 0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:09.080 how are you Eric? How are you kids? 0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:10.279 That? 0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:13.839 Yo, that's crazy, you say that, I said, I said, 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:15.480 I said, I told her to thank you. I was like, 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:18.080 you know, I said, yeah, I said Jack yeah to 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:19.319 Siri or one of them. 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:20.279 Thank you. 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:21.360 She said, you. 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:27.120 Made me feel like like he was painful. Like I was, like, 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:29.800 I got to be scared. It's creepy. 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:33.600 That's creepy. 0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:35.800 But you know what, we're not stopping this ship, so 0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:37.560 we got at least understand. 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:39.480 It, engaging in it with it. You know what I'm saying, 0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:43.000 because it's going. Yeah, well I was in the crib 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:45.200 by myself too. I feel like like kind of like 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:47.919 h like a connection, like I was like ship. 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:50.440 Yeah, like there's a dude that she's welcome. 0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:54.840 You saw the dude that he's like, he's married and 0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:58.440 he's dating his chat Oh yeah, one was cool with it. 0:55:58.560 --> 0:55:59.920 She's like, well, as long as he ain't doating a 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:00.480 a person. 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:08.600 Oh no, that's real. Yeah, that's a movie like that, 0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:10.920 a movie like I. 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:15.200 See that he was in love with. He didn't have 0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:19.359 a real wife though has a wife. It is real life. 0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:20.000 He's in low. 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:26.879 He's got he trained it to talk like a certain woman, 0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:29.640 and he takes this is the thing is if you 0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:30.920 keep talking to this thing. 0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:35.000 He learns who you are and doesn't forget anything. 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:35.560 You say. 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:37.480 That's what I'm saying. That's why he knows I have 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:38.760 kids because I heard him. 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.719 I drink too much for that ship. You know what 0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:49.080 you want? You want to know show you know, don't 0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:52.600 you pour? You don't look like. 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:55.239 Whoa. 0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:56.960 I ain't gonna lie. 0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:01.520 I made a record, uh in nineteen ninety seven called 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:05.480 ww dot Nori, and I was talking about nineteen ninety seven. 0:57:05.520 --> 0:57:07.399 You could look at them up. I'm not a cat. 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:11.000 I'm friends with Captain Country. I'm not the cat guy. 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:14.960 And I was talking about this technology. Shit, I have 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:18.320 no idea where it's going right now. It was you 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:21.440 had you talked about like how it's about like the internet, 0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:23.560 because like like I was the first person to have 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:27.120 a two way pager. I was like, I always liked 0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:31.400 the technology, but I would like it to show off. 0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.000 I wouldn't like it to actually use it, right. 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:36.400 I would, you know. 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:38.280 I was one of the first people went around on 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:41.240 a camera. So, but where it's going now, I don't know. 0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:43.240 I don't know. It's wild. 0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:45.640 Yeah, it seemed like I don't know. 0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:45.960 Man. 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:48.480 It just kind of made me feel like as far 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:53.000 as far as the matrix and the assimilation, like we 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:56.040 kind of like on some weird loop, like you know 0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:59.440 what I mean, Like we've been cooming that that that 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.800 already were like like you know what I'm saying, Like. 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:04.720 You know what I mean, Like we're almost stuck in 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:08.320 a cycle, like we became them and then like then 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:11.120 that was over, and then we came back to humans 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:12.240 and now were back to No. 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:15.360 I guess what I kind of understand what it already 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:16.080 happened already. 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:18.800 You know what I'm saying, it's it's weird. It's weird. 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:22.160 What do y'all think about the Timberland and the AI artists, 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.320 because that caused controversy. 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:25.400 To Timberland got an artist. 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:28.040 He started I don't know if he started AI label, 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:30.280 but he started label and he's his first artist is 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:32.080 an AI completely AI artist. 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:35.320 He cut a lot of a lot of like negative 0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:38.560 you know, I would I would think that's dead. They 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:40.800 was bombing him, Yeah, there was. He had he had 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:43.520 a zoom call think it was who was on the call? Uh, 0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:49.080 Young Guru who else? And and they told him they 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:50.920 didn't like this. Yeah, they told him they didn't agree 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:51.120 with it. 0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:53.240 Yeah yeah, yeah to his face. 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:54.240 Yeah. 0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:55.760 But you know I heard. 0:58:57.120 --> 0:59:00.000 Chuckie Thompson, right the producer, He was on the Breakfas 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:01.680 Club and he said something that that kind of made 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:03.640 sense to me though. He said, if you were timbling 0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.080 at this point in your career, you've done everything. AI 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:09.320 is like another tool, like another beat machine, and you 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:11.640 probably don't want to deal with artists anymore who don't 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:14.680 want to take your ideas the way you see the ideas. 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:17.400 So you probably say, I'll just deal with it. I'm 0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:19.560 not gonna talk back. It's not gonna not gonna say 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:21.880 ship to me. It's another beat machine. But even better, 0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:24.360 you know, make a whole group. 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:28.960 Agree with that. 0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:30.320 But I gotta have his own. 0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:34.240 I understand that idea, like, yeah, I get it, you know, 0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:38.520 but there's a lot of controversy around it. 0:59:38.840 --> 0:59:42.240 Yeah, we definitely signed on an AI artist to you 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:49.600 with it under Boris Productions. Crazy Crazy is. 0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:51.760 Gonna make himself with the accent and everything. 0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:58.240 Now, now, now this is what was the first thing 0:59:58.320 --> 1:00:00.840 you you you did when you got out of jail. 1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:08.200 The first thing, the first thing I did was actually 1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:10.840 that I wanted to do McDonald's. Nah. 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.919 I went with some I went and bought some gum. Wow, 1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:14.600 tried it. 1:00:15.240 --> 1:00:17.600 No, it was just I just any gum because you know, 1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:20.560 you know, you can't you can't, you can't chew gum. 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:23.840 I don't know. They don't let you. They don't let 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:25.960 you get you get gum, and they keep it. 1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:27.760 Not hold. 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:34.200 So much, so much close. 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:37.160 So that's the first thing, is that. 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:41.000 The first thing bringing in more, no in in this 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.920 way so it doesn't fall. Thank you, thank you. 1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:46.720 So that's the first thing you did. That's the first 1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:49.240 thing I did. Man, first meal you had, the first 1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:52.160 meal I had was aha, I did see that. Y'all 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:55.280 went to the pancakes. I didn't even get it. I 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:59.800 didn't get pancakes. I bought cheeseburger. Cheeseburger, let's make mouch 1:00:59.840 --> 1:01:00.800 you you don't let you have it? 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:10.439 Word that. So because everybody that did more than six months, 1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:12.480 they always say the first thing I'm gonna do when 1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:13.040 I get home. 1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:16.200 Did you live out everything that you said when you 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:18.240 get home? Nah, I didn't even try. 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:22.280 I love your because like you, you've. 1:01:22.160 --> 1:01:23.920 Come home and you say you want to do this, 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:26.640 but you just do the first thing you see. 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:28.320 You know what I'm saying, like, oh, word, I ain't 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:30.680 do that. No, I ain't do that. No, I ain't 1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:31.640 turn the light on in a. 1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:34.920 Minute like this, just the hell things like yeah, like 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:35.600 you know what I'm saying. 1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:38.280 That's how I still go through this, go do that. 1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:40.480 I use it as excuses now, like yeah, I ain't 1:01:40.520 --> 1:01:43.880 have a a Sarah Lee piece of cases. 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:45.200 I've been home, like you know what I mean, Like, 1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:47.520 I just use it for the hellest thing now. 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:49.920 Oh yeah, so. 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:56.640 You come home, you see all this this the world 1:01:56.720 --> 1:02:00.800 has changed. I cannot. 1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:03.760 I'm gonna give you a example of me, but this 1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:09.400 is not a good example. But me personally, I lived. 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.160 I moved to Miami, and I stayed out here like 1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:14.840 six to eight months, which is saying it's not a 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:17.480 good example, right, but hit me out. But I went 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:21.120 to Times Square and the minute I went to Times Square, 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:25.440 I almost cried because I seen so many people. And 1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:28.840 in Miami, I get to see who the fuck I 1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:30.480 want to see. If I don't want to see people, 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:33.200 oh gotcha, I can. I can stay the fuck out 1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:36.600 of the way. In New York City, you have no choice. 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:40.360 I walked through and I seen I don't I want 1:02:40.400 --> 1:02:43.680 to say, like three thousand people across the street, and 1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:45.480 I literally I was smoking cigarettes at a time. I 1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:49.040 literally was like and I had to run upstairs. The 1:02:49.160 --> 1:02:51.600 water in my face. I said, you're New York a motherfucker. 1:02:52.120 --> 1:02:56.440 It's not bad, yeah, because I was, you know, this 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:58.280 is recently saying no, this is this is, this is 1:02:58.360 --> 1:03:00.000 this was like when I, like when I first moved 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.520 here and I stayed here for the first year and 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:05.000 I went back for the first time, I had to 1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:07.640 like really, I had to like literally throw water on 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:11.040 my face and I had to act tough because you know, 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:13.880 just to tell you truth, like New York is is 1:03:14.000 --> 1:03:17.240 just tough for no reason. I had to go upstairs. 1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:20.080 I was saying hi to people said hi. You know 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:20.760 I was. 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:24.160 I was being nice. I went to the club the 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:24.840 night before. 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:27.360 This is all I knew. I was out of the touch. 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:31.160 I went to the club the night before and I 1:03:31.320 --> 1:03:35.200 was like, hey, everybody else my friends is like what 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:42.320 the fucking smile. I'm like, I'm happy, Like just in 1:03:42.440 --> 1:03:47.640 New York. We're not happy here. That's crazy. I had 1:03:47.640 --> 1:03:49.160 to like turn on my ice girl. 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:51.000 So now that's crazy. 1:03:51.040 --> 1:03:55.200 I'm telling you. That's a little portion. Was that something 1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:56.640 that you had to kick back. 1:03:56.520 --> 1:03:59.120 On when you when you came home, Well, actually it 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:00.440 was kind of the opposit shit for me. 1:04:01.840 --> 1:04:03.800 Yeah, like I had to dial it down, like you 1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:07.960 know what I'm saying coming out of Miami. 1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:14.200 None. 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:15.280 Yeah. 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:17.280 Even my wife to like to this day, she'd be like, 1:04:17.360 --> 1:04:22.000 your relax, you know what I'm saying. So you know 1:04:22.000 --> 1:04:24.080 what I'm saying, Like I definitely had to like kind 1:04:24.120 --> 1:04:26.120 of and I still be having to catch myself, like 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:28.160 you know what I mean. It's like, you know, like 1:04:28.240 --> 1:04:30.520 when you come home, you know, you kind of always 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:32.520 used to dealing with things in a certain way, like 1:04:32.600 --> 1:04:36.120 you know, you know, everything straightforward, no bullshit, like you 1:04:36.200 --> 1:04:38.000 know what I mean, Like, so when you come out 1:04:38.360 --> 1:04:40.560 and dudes is you know, slow dragon stuff and you 1:04:40.600 --> 1:04:42.160 know it's cool we home, you know what I mean. 1:04:43.280 --> 1:04:44.560 You know it's not that serious. 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:46.360 You know, I said I had to you know, I 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:48.479 had to definitely dial it down, you know what I'm saying. 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:51.880 He making me think of remember that scene in American 1:04:52.000 --> 1:04:54.120 Me but Homie went to buy the shoes. 1:04:54.240 --> 1:04:57.000 Don't look at me, puppet, no no, no, no order. 1:04:57.400 --> 1:04:58.840 He was trying to get the shoes and the dudes like, 1:04:58.880 --> 1:04:59.560 I'll be right with you. 1:04:59.600 --> 1:04:59.840 And he. 1:05:02.600 --> 1:05:04.200 Yeah, give me hell yeah. 1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:07.120 It's like that though, you know, like stuff that people 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:10.080 do in jail, you know that that it's like kind 1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:12.000 of real disrespect you know what I mean, you kind 1:05:12.000 --> 1:05:13.560 of bring a lot of that with you, you know, 1:05:13.680 --> 1:05:15.520 since you gotta kind of catch yourself, you know what 1:05:15.560 --> 1:05:17.560 I mean, there's a lot, there's. 1:05:17.400 --> 1:05:26.520 A lot of adjustment baking. So we we we we 1:05:26.880 --> 1:05:30.520 get the album together. You realize that you're independent. You 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:34.280 realize that you had to do all of this right. 1:05:36.240 --> 1:05:37.840 Was this something if you had a chance to do 1:05:37.920 --> 1:05:43.400 it all over? And let's say did he wasn't in 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:46.320 the position he is. He was in a position he 1:05:46.520 --> 1:05:50.320 was back then when you went away? Would you have 1:05:50.480 --> 1:05:51.240 we signed with him? 1:05:52.360 --> 1:05:55.840 It's still you say that because when I when I 1:05:55.960 --> 1:05:58.760 got with him, I realized that because he was like yo, 1:05:59.480 --> 1:06:02.120 like like like we're gonna do some music depth Like 1:06:02.120 --> 1:06:03.280 you know what I'm saying. He was like, Yo, I 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:05.880 got you know, he actually had a joint for me. 1:06:05.960 --> 1:06:07.760 He was like, Yo, I want you on to say. 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:09.920 I can hear that you wrote a lot of his joints. 1:06:10.520 --> 1:06:12.280 Yeah, I wrote a few. You know what I'm saying. 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:14.920 I can hear it in him like, yeah, I can 1:06:14.960 --> 1:06:15.120 hear it. 1:06:15.520 --> 1:06:19.760 Yeah. So so when he said that, I felt kind 1:06:19.800 --> 1:06:21.680 of like in my gut like I was like, damn, 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:23.480 I don't I don't. I don't kind of want that, 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:24.800 like you know what I mean, Like I don't want 1:06:24.840 --> 1:06:27.720 the same g Depp you know, Puff relationship. I kind 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:32.200 of wanted like the business relationship more. Yeah, like a partnership, 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:33.920 like you know what I'm saying. So when he said that, 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:36.080 I was like, yeah, for sure. 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:36.280 You know what I mean. 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:38.040 But in my mind, I'm like, yeah, we gotta kind 1:06:38.040 --> 1:06:40.800 of negotiate things though, you know what I mean, However 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:43.320 we do it, you know what I mean. So, So 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:47.280 to answer your question, you know, if I did come 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:50.520 out and like he had, situation was like it was, 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:52.320 I would have you know, I would have just came 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:54.160 at it like from a business standpoint, you know what 1:06:54.200 --> 1:06:54.560 I'm saying. 1:06:54.760 --> 1:06:56.640 But I definitely would have would have rocked with him. 1:06:56.840 --> 1:06:57.120 The kid. 1:06:57.240 --> 1:06:59.240 The kid is a genius when it come to music. 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:01.120 Hell yeah, kid is ill with him. 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:01.280 Man. 1:07:01.600 --> 1:07:03.400 So so let me ask you because I don't know, 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:07.040 but it's a rumor that Puff gave back all of 1:07:07.080 --> 1:07:08.040 his artists publishing. 1:07:08.440 --> 1:07:11.960 Yeah, were you a part of that? Yeah, Okay, he gave. 1:07:11.880 --> 1:07:13.919 Back the published Yeah, I kind of I still gotta, 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:16.000 you know, eyeing some stuff out with that because at 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:19.640 the time that he did that I was coming home, okay, 1:07:19.920 --> 1:07:21.120 you know what I mean. So it was kind of 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:23.920 like then and then when I came home, he got 1:07:24.000 --> 1:07:26.480 caught up into what he was going on. I had 1:07:26.560 --> 1:07:29.520 going on, so like the lawyers kind of dissipated, so 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:31.200 I'm still, you know, trying to get that going on. 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:31.640 But he did. 1:07:31.840 --> 1:07:33.360 He did give me you know what I mean, that's 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:36.560 real well hell yeah, real, hell yeah. And I imagined 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:37.760 to fight for my puffy. 1:07:39.080 --> 1:07:43.360 Yeah. And I remember like him telling me like casually, 1:07:43.440 --> 1:07:44.880 like you heard the rumor, and I was just like 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:47.520 he told me, like yeah, casually, there's like yeah, I 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:48.800 gave all my artist back to publishing. 1:07:48.880 --> 1:07:49.680 And he just kept talking. 1:07:50.040 --> 1:07:51.600 He just he kept moving and I was just like 1:07:52.440 --> 1:07:57.600 he said it so nonchal so casual that I brushed 1:07:57.640 --> 1:07:59.840 it off. I never I never said that. I never 1:08:00.200 --> 1:08:03.800 nothing about it until I believe I think the locks. 1:08:04.360 --> 1:08:06.480 The locks said that they got their shipped back. I 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:09.760 believe I believe that they said they got their ship back, 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:12.560 and I was just like, wow, that's that's that's kind 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:14.520 of that's kind of ill, like you know what I'm saying. 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:17.479 It is it is because like that what that means 1:08:17.640 --> 1:08:20.360 is like now as far as like you know what 1:08:20.479 --> 1:08:22.280 I mean, you know, like I ain't gotta tell you 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:24.880 got into the audio story, Like well yeah, so like 1:08:25.000 --> 1:08:27.720 you now like you can get you could place and 1:08:27.880 --> 1:08:29.960 place your music like you know what I'm saying, if 1:08:29.960 --> 1:08:31.720 you want to get it and you gotta you know, 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:34.680 minus the beats, but even if you might be able to, 1:08:34.880 --> 1:08:35.920 you know, strike the whole deal. 1:08:36.000 --> 1:08:37.479 How that the producers, Yo, look. 1:08:37.840 --> 1:08:39.600 Your dude want they want They want to put this 1:08:39.720 --> 1:08:42.320 in Fast and Furious twelve or something. You know what 1:08:42.320 --> 1:08:46.600 I mean yo, ye whole before? Oh yeah, so you 1:08:46.680 --> 1:08:49.040 know that. That's that's that's big man. The dude, the 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:54.519 dude uh Morock from from Hood Fellas Okay, he the 1:08:54.600 --> 1:08:56.960 one that hollered at me about that. Yeah, when I 1:08:57.080 --> 1:08:58.479 was locked up, he hit me up on the on 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:00.920 the key I he was like, yo, you know, Pug 1:09:01.000 --> 1:09:02.960 giving that back and all that sot out. Yeah, so 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:04.600 he gave me the lawyer's number and all that. 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:08.519 So not only that it is after twenty something years, 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:10.719 after twenty yeah, get your masters. 1:09:10.800 --> 1:09:15.240 Yeah I understand understanding. I don't got a full understanding that. Yeah. 1:09:15.360 --> 1:09:18.600 So so it depends on what you signed because. 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:23.040 Back then they had standard contracts, right, But then there 1:09:23.120 --> 1:09:26.160 was some particularly so a lot of people they hit 1:09:26.240 --> 1:09:28.680 twenty years and the masters already will come back to them, 1:09:28.800 --> 1:09:32.639 some forty five and some is like thirty. Every one 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:36.120 of us have that limit. We have that in our contract. 1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:41.040 Like it's who unless we were that word perpetuity, Oh 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:42.120 what word purportuity? 1:09:42.280 --> 1:09:44.360 Or why universe? They that ship was crazy? 1:09:44.680 --> 1:09:48.120 That word proper is a very dirty word. That's dirty. 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:50.920 Yeah, it's a very time they gonna put that in 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:51.559 a contract. 1:09:51.920 --> 1:09:55.639 We don't an opportunity. We can't even pronounce that ship, 1:09:55.800 --> 1:09:57.120 like we don't know. 1:09:58.920 --> 1:09:59.800 Venus when we died. 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:05.519 That's crazy that they can actually claim our rights after 1:10:06.320 --> 1:10:07.360 you're dead. 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:10.679 Like, that's crazy. You know what there's there is, there's 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:13.640 your family, and there's the states. And that's why they 1:10:13.720 --> 1:10:16.360 do that. They don't want your state to get anything. 1:10:18.120 --> 1:10:21.840 And that's dirty. Yeah, that's like, come on, bro, that's dirty. 1:10:22.360 --> 1:10:25.400 That's why I like what we're doing with Drink Champs, podcasts, 1:10:25.520 --> 1:10:31.120 Drink Champs and network. Everyone who signs to us, they 1:10:31.360 --> 1:10:35.040 own their own stuff. We do not want to be responsible. 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:37.080 We want to put you in the right way. 1:10:37.200 --> 1:10:39.040 We can't really, We just trying to set you up 1:10:39.520 --> 1:10:40.160 and then you can go. 1:10:40.520 --> 1:10:40.840 You can go. 1:10:41.000 --> 1:10:43.560 Yes, we want to practice with podcasting. 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:48.000 So everybody. We got Memblee, we got Angela Simmons, we 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:53.760 got Grumpy OG's, we got Fatherhoods, we got Washstalkers, we 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:59.120 got run Champs, Healthy High and every single one. We're 1:10:59.200 --> 1:11:02.639 setting up as they own entity no one. So if 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:04.759 it does not mister Lee speaks English, that's a new podcast. 1:11:07.000 --> 1:11:12.000 It's a comedy. Mister Lee speaks cocaine. That sounds like 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:18.280 a much better. But that's what I love what we're doing, 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:19.439 Like you know what I'm saying, Like we want to 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:22.720 I want to practice re pre and I think all 1:11:22.760 --> 1:11:25.320 of the industry should be like that. But but let 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:27.040 me let me get back to that. That giving back 1:11:27.040 --> 1:11:28.960 the publishing ship. I thought that was the honorable ship 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:33.479 because you never heard in Scope do that. You never 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:35.720 heard Sony Music do that, never heard that, you never 1:11:35.760 --> 1:11:38.040 heard of Columbia do that, you never heard of death 1:11:38.120 --> 1:11:42.240 jam to do that? Like this is a personal person 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:43.120 who did that. 1:11:43.520 --> 1:11:45.760 I think that's that was I want to I want 1:11:45.800 --> 1:11:49.280 to reverse things a little bit further back for you 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:52.600 when you were just a hip hop kid, Like what 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:55.080 what are the artists that inspired. 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:55.800 You to want to rhyme. 1:11:55.840 --> 1:11:57.519 I mean, I know you said LLL was one of them, 1:11:57.880 --> 1:12:01.080 but that he like really shaped you as an artist 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:03.240 and to like gave you that passion for hip hop. 1:12:04.400 --> 1:12:05.080 I mean I had to. 1:12:05.160 --> 1:12:09.639 I had always tell people Big Daddy, Kane, King Cainan 1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:15.719 and rock Him and you yeah, hell yeah, those those 1:12:15.840 --> 1:12:18.920 those brothers like literally like you know, I used to 1:12:19.120 --> 1:12:21.240 used to just stay at the pay the full album cover, 1:12:21.439 --> 1:12:27.320 like damn, like looking at the like used to be 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:33.400 like saying, you know, King, you know he was small 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:36.120 with it, you know, you know uh his uh you know, 1:12:36.240 --> 1:12:38.200 his word playing all that stuff. 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:39.880 He used to say to pick a B C D 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:43.920 your history like du yeah, you know what I mean. 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:47.439 Well, so those those dudes like that was that was 1:12:47.560 --> 1:12:49.760 kind of you know, I had a big five you 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:55.280 know what I mean, King Top five King by Kim 1:12:55.960 --> 1:13:01.760 Cougi rat K and I would have to say, you know, 1:13:01.920 --> 1:13:05.880 you know why, but well how many did our name 1:13:06.000 --> 1:13:08.320 is now for? Yeah you can go six? 1:13:09.840 --> 1:13:10.000 Yeah? 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:13.040 Yeah, you know it was that dude back then to me, 1:13:13.200 --> 1:13:16.320 Special lads especially was that dude. 1:13:16.120 --> 1:13:20.560 Big specially of Slack from coming on this show just 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:23.280 because of that one comment, but that that's my man. 1:13:24.160 --> 1:13:26.519 He said that west he said the West coast. 1:13:27.479 --> 1:13:29.040 Literally the people who. 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:33.800 I did not. 1:13:34.120 --> 1:13:37.120 I mean, we're messing up what he actually I'm messing up. 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:41.800 And by the way I did see it, I'm glad 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:47.000 he brought this up. Someone AI and changed up the 1:13:47.120 --> 1:13:47.880 question a little bit. 1:13:48.120 --> 1:13:51.240 The edited edited, they chop it up. That's what happened 1:13:51.240 --> 1:13:51.519 all day. 1:13:52.280 --> 1:13:55.160 I seen Special saying that's the show who did that? 1:13:55.280 --> 1:13:57.120 And that that wasn't us. It was like, we don't, 1:13:57.200 --> 1:13:58.280 we don't, we don't, we don't do that. 1:13:58.360 --> 1:13:58.600 We just. 1:14:01.479 --> 1:14:07.800 Didn't even know. Look, but I want to share something 1:14:07.800 --> 1:14:12.719 because you said somebody we finished the top, Yeah, especially 1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:16.880 especially Glad Or you want to throw els who I 1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:19.519 didn't say l say, oh yeah, so the queens and 1:14:19.600 --> 1:14:19.960 me caught that. 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:24.240 Yeah, okay who from there is Harlem. 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:28.599 That it really really wasn't no all them Hall them 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:31.640 like representative represented the only person that was kind of 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:37.240 you Fresh, Teddy Rally, Teddy Valley, Teddy Valley, Rob Bass. 1:14:38.520 --> 1:14:40.599 Listen do sleep on rob Bass. 1:14:41.240 --> 1:14:45.760 Sleep Let me say Rob basis in my playlist like you. 1:14:46.400 --> 1:14:48.880 That's one of the biggest records in hip hop. That's 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:50.439 the fact and you play that record, you'd be. 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:52.320 Like, whoy you listen to it? You'd be like, you 1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:55.519 feel you want to listen to it? That the great 1:14:55.600 --> 1:14:59.320 the greatest record. What I see I didn't even know 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:01.080 there were hard on because I'm in Miami. 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:04.720 Was they're still crazy, They're still touring. I don't know 1:15:04.760 --> 1:15:08.519 if you remember, Left Rock had a party, he had 1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:15.519 robb As, he had total Loak, he had uh, damn 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:20.559 who else by nature? So they still touring. Damn, they're 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:22.920 still talk that's the way. 1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:26.439 But Rob Base is still around and he's still out there. 1:15:27.080 --> 1:15:28.519 And who did I see? I see Chuck Rock the 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:28.880 other day. 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:32.760 Shoe Brocket is killing it though man's smart. I've never 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:35.160 had a dumb conversation with tub Rock, and we need 1:15:35.240 --> 1:15:35.760 him on drinks. 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:38.559 I have a lot of dumb conversations, like a dumb 1:15:38.600 --> 1:15:39.560 conversation God like. 1:15:39.640 --> 1:15:40.040 I like that. 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:47.280 But okay, what's your first favorite place to perform but 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:50.400 that I performed or would like to perform both? 1:15:51.600 --> 1:15:51.680 Uh? 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:55.080 I would have to I would have to say manage 1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:55.679 the s great. 1:15:55.479 --> 1:15:57.320 Guard and I would love to rock perform. 1:15:57.439 --> 1:16:03.000 Yeah, okay, I haven't performed there, but uh we performed 1:16:03.040 --> 1:16:08.320 one time in uh and uh in Na'shall. And that's 1:16:08.360 --> 1:16:11.439 all the time that we that we saw each other. 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:16.960 Not that's all is an about Bahamas, that's all. And 1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:22.200 that's all. And Long Islandake. Yeah, we performed there one 1:16:22.280 --> 1:16:24.280 time and that day, you know, the crowd was just 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:29.160 just crazy, like man, you know, the whole arena you 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:30.720 know that was that was an ill feeling, you know 1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:31.200 what I'm saying. 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:34.800 Or and we would so that's that's that's the that's 1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:37.280 that's the place you did performs the place. 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:41.680 The screat Guard and hell yeah, hell yeah, I love 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:43.639 the rock the Garden man one time. 1:16:44.080 --> 1:16:46.639 Scrit Garden, bro. That's crazy. 1:16:46.960 --> 1:16:48.679 That sucked up as much as. 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:53.280 I did in my hip hop Career's relatable. 1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:02.479 So oh ship, I'm the only one that didn't tear 1:17:02.560 --> 1:17:03.000 my phone off. 1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:06.920 You never do, yeah, you know your phone is just 1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:08.639 respectful all the time on drink chap. 1:17:08.920 --> 1:17:13.200 So did you meet your wife before or you met her? 1:17:15.200 --> 1:17:15.360 Well? 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:18.760 Yeah, I met her. I met her like mid mid 1:17:19.040 --> 1:17:21.439 big It was mid is it. 1:17:21.560 --> 1:17:24.960 Bit a big? You you know? 1:17:26.520 --> 1:17:29.840 But I always heard that's bit yeah B I D 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:32.439 B I D yeah yeah yeah, all right, but maybe 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:33.400 we have it all wrong. 1:17:33.840 --> 1:17:36.599 Were I heard somebody say bit like an old school dude. 1:17:36.640 --> 1:17:40.160 I was like, he's probably and it was more than us. 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:41.920 Us up. 1:17:44.680 --> 1:17:48.599 Yeah, so yeah, we met. We met like around twenty fifteen. Okay, 1:17:49.000 --> 1:17:52.240 I was locked up a friend of mine, uh from 1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:57.640 uh from hours. She's from kidnamed Lata. You know you 1:17:57.720 --> 1:18:00.720 got to blow it up TV, you know what I'm saying. 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:04.880 He he was, he was podcasting, he was broadcasting his 1:18:05.160 --> 1:18:08.360 his his thing on on Facebook. And she kind of 1:18:08.479 --> 1:18:11.040 chimed in and she was like, you know, he was 1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:13.240 talking about me. He was like, Yo, my bros locked up, 1:18:13.280 --> 1:18:15.880 you know, shout to him. And she chimed in, YO, yeah, 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:18.120 telling him, I said, hold his head, you know, you 1:18:18.200 --> 1:18:25.000 know stuff like that two three, you know, shout shout 1:18:25.040 --> 1:18:25.439 out to her. 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:25.720 Man. 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:28.000 She you know, she kind of was kind of just 1:18:28.120 --> 1:18:30.880 that you know, that support that you know I didn't 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:32.639 I didn't have at the time, you know what I mean. 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:35.560 She she just wanted She was like, so, so my 1:18:35.760 --> 1:18:39.760 aunt was also on that same publication, and then she 1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:41.760 kind of like, look, I could give me a number, 1:18:42.560 --> 1:18:47.479 you know, she said, well I can, you know, I 1:18:47.520 --> 1:18:49.920 could connect you out to it. And the next you know, 1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:53.200 you know, one thing that another were talking. We started 1:18:53.200 --> 1:18:55.400 talking over the phone, you know that that was you know, 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:56.439 we just hit it off. 1:19:02.000 --> 1:19:07.200 Bless her. So so let me ask you the biggie question. 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:10.040 M hm. Did you ever think that hip hop would 1:19:10.040 --> 1:19:10.680 make it this far? 1:19:11.600 --> 1:19:15.160 Hell no, man, I didn't either, Hell no, Like I 1:19:15.200 --> 1:19:17.080 couldn't see that. Some days I think like that, and 1:19:17.120 --> 1:19:19.240 then some days I'd be like nah, yeah. 1:19:19.160 --> 1:19:22.000 Yeah, like noah, no, I could see like like especially 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:27.240 especially like days like like like like thinking about Question 1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:30.040 Groove and watching that stuff like you wouldn't. I would 1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:32.639 never think like yeah, like you know what I'm saying, 1:19:32.680 --> 1:19:34.880 Like it just seemed like something that was a was 1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:37.680 a a thing like graffiti, like you know what I mean. 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:40.040 But and them spikes today sed to wear back in 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:41.479 the days, boy, I'm glad I wasn't. 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:45.680 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. They was wild and that was 1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:49.120 it was damn they all doing. The Warriors. 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:54.439 Tried to recreate it. And I remember following like the Cake, 1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:55.479 It was like. 1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:58.560 Following Parliament and that whole ride, and like there was 1:19:58.640 --> 1:20:00.719 they was following certain things and they they was taken 1:20:00.800 --> 1:20:02.479 from You gotta give. 1:20:02.400 --> 1:20:03.160 Them some credit. 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:06.360 You're talking about the Warriors. 1:20:06.680 --> 1:20:09.240 No, like that era of hip hop they was taking 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:12.320 like their style from like Parliament, from like George Clinton 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:14.920 and them, oh yeah, and different things like they So 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:16.719 they were parsing their style together. 1:20:16.960 --> 1:20:17.840 Yeah, they was wild. 1:20:20.040 --> 1:20:21.280 Who's the flyes barrel to you? 1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:25.280 I mean. 1:20:28.400 --> 1:20:31.360 Like all barrows got got they fled to it. You 1:20:31.400 --> 1:20:35.719 could say Miami. I was sick Miami. Miami's a Barrow 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:42.840 County county. We're not a county city, Dade County. That's 1:20:42.880 --> 1:20:46.240 a Dade county. I said, Miami part of the Miami right. 1:20:47.400 --> 1:20:49.639 Well, I mean I would have to be biased because 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:51.519 I lived in I lived in Harlem, you know what 1:20:51.560 --> 1:20:54.599 I mean, So I know what I know from Harlem. 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:55.320 You know what I'm saying. 1:20:55.400 --> 1:20:57.640 But I'm not gonna lit Queens, dude, goddamn it, give 1:20:57.680 --> 1:20:59.640 it up. Give it up, Queens dudes, give it up. 1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:00.200 Give it up. 1:21:00.240 --> 1:21:00.599 God damn. 1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:05.599 Right next to hall Over there. 1:21:05.000 --> 1:21:07.439 Not New Yorkers. But Harlem is a part of Manhattan though. 1:21:07.720 --> 1:21:09.200 Yeah, but you know what's crazy. 1:21:09.360 --> 1:21:10.280 It wouldn't be a borough, but. 1:21:11.479 --> 1:21:12.840 But it is a borough by itself. 1:21:12.880 --> 1:21:13.960 But it's his own world. 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:14.960 I know, it's its own world. 1:21:15.000 --> 1:21:17.000 But that's why they call it Harlem World. Let me 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:18.960 give it you and I'm from Queens and I'm gonna 1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:22.240 give it up to the Hall now, like uh, it 1:21:22.400 --> 1:21:25.160 truly is its own world, and it's different parts of 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:29.920 that world. It's Spanish Spanish. You can go to Dykeman 1:21:30.720 --> 1:21:36.720 and Dykman is baby Dominican Republic, the Dominican area, the Heights. Yeah, yeah, 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:37.559 you got a lot of fact. 1:21:38.280 --> 1:21:39.960 I think Dykman is a part of the Heights. 1:21:40.160 --> 1:21:42.599 I think it's I think it's like what about Alphabet 1:21:42.680 --> 1:21:44.920 City is that way downtown? 1:21:45.600 --> 1:21:47.880 That's not Hall, that's not all, that's not Hallam. 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:53.680 Yes, yeah, but I will give Hall of this one 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:57.720 may percent their own world. Like if you if you 1:21:58.040 --> 1:22:00.160 know all of New York City, if you don't to 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:02.240 Halem Harlem. 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:03.559 Is is a whole. 1:22:03.680 --> 1:22:05.760 It's a whole nother giant you know what's double And 1:22:05.840 --> 1:22:11.320 we recorded Drink Champs in the rough Rid. Yeah I 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.320 remember We've crossed to go to the Bull and people 1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:14.440 were stopping in the street. 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:16.759 Drink the lovers. 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:20.280 See that's what I mean, Like right, yeah, like but 1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:24.360 you know what I mean, Well, Halem Halem Hallm is 1:22:24.439 --> 1:22:28.120 like it's a certain type of style of fly, you 1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:30.360 know what I mean? And Queens is a certain type 1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:31.800 of style of fly like you know what I mean, 1:22:31.840 --> 1:22:34.640 That's what I mean, Like they both fly borrow. You know, 1:22:34.720 --> 1:22:37.400 I'm different, just different ways, you know what I'm saying. 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:39.840 So let me ask you, right, being from Harlem, right 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:42.640 and having all these other stars come from Harlem, is 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:44.800 that more pressure on you? Or is it at least 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:47.200 pressure on you because you're like, man, I'm just gonna 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:48.599 be a part of the great. 1:22:48.760 --> 1:22:50.439 Yeah, I think it's I think it's kind of like 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:53.680 a duality, Like it's kind of like it's it's like 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:57.160 pressure in a way, but but then but then, like 1:22:57.240 --> 1:22:58.960 you at the end of the day, you're like, ship, 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:00.799 I'm from here, you know what I mean. 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:00.800 Like. 1:23:02.439 --> 1:23:04.720 You know, you feel like you know, it's a psychological thing, 1:23:04.760 --> 1:23:05.320 you know what I'm saying. 1:23:05.960 --> 1:23:07.439 But at the end of the day, I think it's 1:23:07.520 --> 1:23:10.000 just you know, it's just you know, it's kind of 1:23:10.080 --> 1:23:11.519 like you know you're going to do you or not, 1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:12.439 you know what I mean. 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:15.559 There's a lot of history, marlm Like Harlem is historic, 1:23:16.680 --> 1:23:18.880 And I just realized. 1:23:20.320 --> 1:23:25.000 Me Cam mace Emon, Doug and Tragedy. We got a 1:23:25.200 --> 1:23:30.719 freestyle called the Triboro Bridge, and I didn't DJ clue 1:23:30.840 --> 1:23:34.519 on album, And I didn't realize that triborough Bridge only 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:38.760 goes from Queens to hallm right, Oh, triborough Bridge goes 1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:39.320 to the Bronx. 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:49.479 I never knew that try Barrow, Okay, yeah you know. 1:23:52.240 --> 1:23:59.280 Yeah yeah, it was just because yeah yeah yeah, yeah 1:23:59.400 --> 1:23:59.840 it's true. 1:24:00.040 --> 1:24:02.559 Yeah, I would never knew that either. 1:24:05.280 --> 1:24:05.479 Yeah. 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:15.200 The Sock like the Socker. So what do you think. 1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:22.280 Jim Jones and Nas? I mean, I just think I 1:24:22.479 --> 1:24:23.000 just think. 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:27.479 Again, like those are just two different kinds of things, 1:24:27.560 --> 1:24:30.280 Like you know what I'm saying, Nas, Nas kind of 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:36.320 you know, he kind of pushed hip hop forward, you 1:24:36.400 --> 1:24:38.439 know what I'm saying, Like if it wasn't if it 1:24:38.560 --> 1:24:42.880 wasn't for him, like our whole era was, like it 1:24:42.880 --> 1:24:44.760 wouldn't be the same, Like you know what I mean, 1:24:44.840 --> 1:24:47.639 Like he kind of like opened the door for dudes 1:24:47.680 --> 1:24:50.439 that was on the corner, dudes that was you know 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:51.519 what I'm saying kind of like. 1:24:51.840 --> 1:24:54.920 He mixed up from rocking intellectually boom now yeah. 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:57.559 Yeah, you know the younger generation like that, you know how, 1:24:57.960 --> 1:24:59.680 you know how you're right, like you know how like 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:02.760 like as we get older, like these kids are getting 1:25:02.800 --> 1:25:03.880 sharper and sharp. 1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:04.840 But like you know what I'm saying, Like he was 1:25:04.920 --> 1:25:06.880 and dumber and dumber though he had to save shot. 1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:09.880 He was an Arab sharper and sharper. Yeah, like you 1:25:09.920 --> 1:25:10.439 know what I'm saying. 1:25:10.520 --> 1:25:13.680 And then you listen to that first album he was 1:25:13.760 --> 1:25:17.960 only like what like seventeen, Like you hear this and 1:25:18.080 --> 1:25:20.040 it's like like I'm like, so, I'm like. 1:25:20.080 --> 1:25:21.519 He's still smarter than me back then. 1:25:22.960 --> 1:25:26.760 Like now, like you just like pulling from some some 1:25:27.080 --> 1:25:30.040 some type of you know, some acoustic record and something. 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:33.519 But the dude like so so like when you you know, 1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:37.439 like that that whole thing, you know, I just was like, 1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:39.400 I can't see where bro is coming from. 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:39.920 You know what I mean? 1:25:40.400 --> 1:25:44.479 It's love, Yeah, it's love. But I just love hip hop, man. 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:47.600 I love hip hop when when you can you can 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:50.559 put yourself in the category and it actually means something 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:52.719 like that ship is just to me, it's dope. 1:25:52.760 --> 1:25:56.599 To me, it's dumpe man. So what so what we're doing. 1:25:57.200 --> 1:26:00.719 We dropped the album what's My Man Name That Drink? 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:04.439 Oh yeah, Shuzy bandoz band. 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:07.599 We dropped. We're dropping the follow up. 1:26:09.320 --> 1:26:13.519 Well we actually we're actually dropping another album called Off 1:26:13.600 --> 1:26:17.599 the Count. That's that's kind of that he's producing. Nah, 1:26:17.640 --> 1:26:19.759 he didn't produce this one, but we're gonna, we're definitely 1:26:19.800 --> 1:26:20.160 gonna do it. 1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:20.840 Stay ready to. 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:27.000 He's he's he has the projects out too, so he's 1:26:27.040 --> 1:26:29.799 gonna you know, he's he does like he's a producer 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:32.240 as well, so he has like things going on. So 1:26:32.320 --> 1:26:34.439 we got to kind of wait for that to you know, 1:26:35.400 --> 1:26:37.640 for time to permit, you know what I mean. But 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:41.400 we got this album coming out now of course, called 1:26:41.680 --> 1:26:45.040 Off the count it's kind of just like the whole 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:47.720 chronicle of me being locked up, like from when I 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:51.360 got locked up, like for the countdown. 1:26:51.120 --> 1:26:52.599 Yeah, all the way you know what I'm saying. 1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:56.080 So it's fifty so it's because fifteen songs and it's 1:26:56.120 --> 1:26:57.920 all in order, you know what I mean. When I 1:26:57.960 --> 1:27:01.240 turned myself in. Yeah, so that album, that's that's the 1:27:01.360 --> 1:27:03.040 next up. You know what I'm saying. We gotta and 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:05.320 also when you turn yourself in all the way to 1:27:05.400 --> 1:27:08.639 the Yeah, the last book with that as well, That's 1:27:08.640 --> 1:27:10.240 what I was gonna say. The last we had a 1:27:10.280 --> 1:27:15.519 book called uh, Credible Memoirs of a Credible Messenger, and 1:27:15.600 --> 1:27:17.600 we're gonna try to package it with the album. And 1:27:17.640 --> 1:27:19.360 stuff like that. We're just trying to figure out, you know, 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:24.040 the technology side of that. I mean the shoes well, yeah, 1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:29.240 Simon shoester, something out of this episode that you get. 1:27:31.360 --> 1:27:33.280 I mean, you know that's what we you know, we're 1:27:33.280 --> 1:27:34.639 trying to put that together. 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:38.559 Now, this is a question I probably should have asked earlier, 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:40.599 but I'm gonna ask now. 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:46.560 Was there ever a time you regret it turning yourself in? 1:27:48.160 --> 1:27:48.360 Nah? 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:49.280 You did? 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:53.439 Nah? I mean he did say he when he was walking. Yeah, 1:27:53.479 --> 1:27:57.080 at that time, just out of the doing. Yeah, out 1:27:57.120 --> 1:27:59.640 of the fear of doing you knowing. I'm like, you know, 1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:03.600 you know what I'm saying. But you know, after I 1:28:03.720 --> 1:28:08.439 turned myself in, you know, it was just like you know, 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:11.120 it was it was no point that that that I 1:28:11.200 --> 1:28:13.160 felt like it was. It was a waste of a 1:28:13.200 --> 1:28:15.320 waste of time, which is I know it sounds like 1:28:15.439 --> 1:28:17.600 weird though, you know you. 1:28:19.920 --> 1:28:21.880 Yeah, yeah, that point. 1:28:21.960 --> 1:28:24.000 Yeah, So at that point it's like, you know, you 1:28:24.040 --> 1:28:26.639 got to ask yourself probably why I probably didn't feel 1:28:26.720 --> 1:28:27.679 any kind of ways. 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:30.080 Because I'm like, you know, you did what you tried 1:28:30.160 --> 1:28:31.880 to you know what you were you know, set out 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:32.120 to do. 1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:35.679 You know what I mean, you know, you set things 1:28:35.760 --> 1:28:39.800 right for his family whoever, you know his family, you know, 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:42.639 you're working on yourself, you know what I mean. 1:28:42.760 --> 1:28:45.040 So it was like, yeah, whatever you're believe in, whether 1:28:45.080 --> 1:28:47.360 it's like your soul needed to deal with some or 1:28:47.400 --> 1:28:49.680 your car moneeded to do, you was dealing with it. 1:28:49.800 --> 1:28:52.280 Yeah, I was dealing with it. So I really didn't 1:28:52.280 --> 1:28:53.160 have any regrets. 1:28:53.200 --> 1:28:57.519 You know, certain certain things I would feel, you know, 1:28:57.640 --> 1:28:59.360 I would feel it though, you know what I'm saying, 1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:02.720 like damn, like damn if I wasn't locked up, you know, 1:29:02.880 --> 1:29:04.800 you know, you know, you know what I used to 1:29:05.479 --> 1:29:08.000 feel mostly when I when I when I was when 1:29:08.040 --> 1:29:09.840 I was locked up, that I would that I would 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:12.560 like kind of not regret, but I would like be like, 1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:15.280 you know, kind of longing for like you know what 1:29:15.280 --> 1:29:19.360 I'm saying. What Like when I would write stuff Rome 1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:21.920 and I would think it was crazy like you know 1:29:21.960 --> 1:29:24.680 what I mean, super duple and I'm like, damn, I 1:29:24.760 --> 1:29:28.200 can't instant who who the you gonna tell you? 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:31.800 It was just like oh what. 1:29:37.080 --> 1:29:42.240 Like here's gonna take me? Take you here? 1:29:42.320 --> 1:29:42.400 Bro? 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:45.120 I ain't going nowhere, you know what I'm saying. That 1:29:45.240 --> 1:29:46.680 was one of them, the one of them things. So 1:29:46.800 --> 1:29:50.280 what was your actual sentence fifteen in life? 1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:53.240 What you did thirteen? And steen? 1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:55.679 Yeah, I did thirteen in like seven months. 1:29:56.960 --> 1:30:01.200 Well, man, I gonna be honest with you because I 1:30:01.240 --> 1:30:04.559 don't know nobody else, and I'm gonna keep asking questions 1:30:04.600 --> 1:30:08.840 because i don't know nobody else in the situation in life. 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:12.719 I'm fucking forty seven years old. I've traveled the country 1:30:12.840 --> 1:30:16.920 seven times. Your story is like, I was so happy 1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:21.040 when we were, like, Yo, We're gonna have g depth 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:29.040 because I like, I honestly, I really think you're one 1:30:29.040 --> 1:30:32.880 of like the most genuous people on earth. Like you 1:30:32.960 --> 1:30:34.800 know what I'm saying, Like I really say I said 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:38.920 that earlier and I said you're honorable. But it's even 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:40.920 gets more into depth as I talk to you. You 1:30:40.960 --> 1:30:43.160 know what I'm saying as we go through this, you know, 1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:45.360 I feel like I'm a therapist, you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:46.640 this is how I do it. 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:49.000 You ain't drinking, but usually I break it down. 1:30:50.640 --> 1:30:56.519 At this point You're like, nah, but listen, Noah, bro 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:02.559 I never really heard of this. So and I'm asking 1:31:02.600 --> 1:31:04.800 you because this is honestly something I want to know. 1:31:05.360 --> 1:31:09.280 So even like doing the bid like you didn't regret it. 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:12.120 You didn't say like, man, I made a mistake, Like 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:13.519 you didn't say that to yourself. 1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:16.639 Nah, I can't say. I can't say that I didn't 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:19.800 sometimes regret it because like you want to be out, 1:31:19.880 --> 1:31:21.240 you know what I mean, You want to be home, 1:31:21.760 --> 1:31:24.360 you have your humid stuff happens, like damn, I wish 1:31:24.400 --> 1:31:26.920 I was home for that, Like, oh, don't. 1:31:26.720 --> 1:31:29.120 Worry about it. Your flowers are secure, don't worry about it. 1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:30.360 That's why they're in a case. 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:35.280 So, but but I can't say. 1:31:35.360 --> 1:31:35.720 I can't. 1:31:36.320 --> 1:31:37.800 I can't say that I felt like I made a 1:31:37.880 --> 1:31:40.280 mistake though, you know what I mean, Like I felt 1:31:40.320 --> 1:31:43.040 like you know, like it never felt like damn, I 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:44.720 shouldn't have did that, like you know what I mean. 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:47.519 I never I can't say I felt that way. Okay, 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:51.559 now you can answer this whichever way you want. Did 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:55.599 you notice these people family? Did you see they family? 1:31:55.920 --> 1:31:58.360 What made you say, yo, let me, let me just go? 1:31:58.560 --> 1:32:02.880 And you didn't even know you had? Yeah, I didn't know. 1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:04.840 I didn't know I killed him And I didn't know 1:32:05.040 --> 1:32:06.840 when you went tolf. 1:32:07.560 --> 1:32:09.320 No, I didn't. I didn't know his family. I just 1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:13.080 it was something where you know when I experienced with 1:32:13.200 --> 1:32:16.400 my family one day, you know what I mean, Like 1:32:17.000 --> 1:32:20.280 that's what kind of made me really start thinking about it. Yeah, 1:32:20.320 --> 1:32:22.680 what happened like I said, yeah, with my family, Like 1:32:22.720 --> 1:32:25.160 I was sitting there. I think it was like a 1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:28.280 Christmas you know what I mean. It was just so beautiful, 1:32:28.400 --> 1:32:30.559 like you know what I mean, to be with my sons. 1:32:31.120 --> 1:32:32.840 You know, I had you know, you know, I felt 1:32:32.880 --> 1:32:34.920 like you know, a father, you know, I had bought 1:32:34.920 --> 1:32:36.840 them their gifts and you know what I'm saying, you know, 1:32:37.000 --> 1:32:39.639 so you know, just sitting there with them and made 1:32:39.680 --> 1:32:42.400 me realize like damn, what happened to bro? 1:32:42.680 --> 1:32:47.120 Like did wonder if his family? Like did he have kids? 1:32:47.240 --> 1:32:47.720 Did he had to? 1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:50.519 I started thinking about person I didn't know them, you 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:51.560 know what I mean, you know what I'm saying. So 1:32:51.600 --> 1:32:54.320 I started thinking about a random argument or something. Yeah, 1:32:54.360 --> 1:32:56.320 it was just you know, you know, I just you know, 1:32:57.320 --> 1:32:59.960 one day, I always you know, as after it happened, 1:33:00.000 --> 1:33:01.720 and even as a young and I was like, you know, 1:33:01.800 --> 1:33:05.200 I started you know, I always was like fearful of 1:33:05.400 --> 1:33:07.160 what happened that night, you know what I mean. Like 1:33:07.240 --> 1:33:09.439 I would get locked up and I would think the 1:33:09.520 --> 1:33:11.439 cops knew, you know what I mean, Like it's just 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:15.200 something related. I was definitely want to me you know 1:33:15.240 --> 1:33:18.360 what I'm saying. So, you know, as I got older, 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:20.840 like I started asking myself some serious questions, you know 1:33:20.880 --> 1:33:25.040 what I mean, damn, and and I feel I'm like, 1:33:25.160 --> 1:33:28.400 how else could you figure out what happened to this man? 1:33:28.479 --> 1:33:31.000 You know what I mean? So I said, you know what, Well, 1:33:31.120 --> 1:33:32.760 so you didn't know, you just you just thought you 1:33:32.880 --> 1:33:36.960 hit hit a dude? Yeah, okay, yeah yeah, actually got Peter. Yeah, nah, 1:33:41.560 --> 1:33:43.919 so you found out at the precinct. At the precinct, 1:33:44.560 --> 1:33:47.320 he was like, yo, I never forget it. He like, 1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:50.680 he was like yo, when you say, he's like yeah, 1:33:51.000 --> 1:33:54.719 he had the prosecutor. Actually, the prosecutors at the precinct, 1:33:54.840 --> 1:33:58.599 they called him down to the immediately immediately. First first, 1:33:58.920 --> 1:34:02.839 I've never heard so we looked up the files. 1:34:02.960 --> 1:34:04.559 No no, no, no, not immediately, I'm sorry. 1:34:04.720 --> 1:34:06.479 Like what they did was like they kind of they 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:09.479 looked into it and then once they seen that that 1:34:09.600 --> 1:34:10.680 it matched up, because they was like. 1:34:10.720 --> 1:34:12.479 Yo, what was you wearing that day? And I was like, yo, 1:34:12.560 --> 1:34:13.120 I had this on. 1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:16.160 I remember that what I have like basically telling them, yeah, 1:34:16.360 --> 1:34:18.960 because this is unheard off, so they can think that 1:34:19.040 --> 1:34:20.479 you're like a psych patient. 1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:22.880 Yeah, they have to, they have to evaluate you. Yeah, 1:34:22.920 --> 1:34:23.320 well not. 1:34:23.560 --> 1:34:27.080 Actually actually at that point they were like taking me serious, 1:34:27.160 --> 1:34:29.439 like you know, you know, you know the railroad, the 1:34:29.520 --> 1:34:32.599 railroad system. At the at the end of the day, 1:34:32.920 --> 1:34:35.680 they're like, well, we got one whoever he is. Yeah, 1:34:36.400 --> 1:34:38.080 they want to cross out, like yeah, you know. 1:34:38.040 --> 1:34:40.240 What I'm saying. Yeah, They're like, okay, he could be bad. 1:34:40.280 --> 1:34:40.720 Out of hell. 1:34:41.040 --> 1:34:43.640 Your first words you said to them, you said, I 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:47.559 want to admit to a to a crime. Yeah, because 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:48.679 he didn't know basically. 1:34:48.840 --> 1:34:51.840 Yeah, when I came in, I was like, I was like, 1:34:53.160 --> 1:34:56.000 you know, because I had came in before that. They 1:34:56.080 --> 1:34:59.040 turned you I heard that. Yeah, yeah, they turned you away. 1:34:59.280 --> 1:35:02.240 Yeah they turned me a way right, that's why fact. 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:04.719 They was like yo, all right, and that's he looked 1:35:04.920 --> 1:35:07.519 another But it's crazy you kept going right, So this 1:35:07.640 --> 1:35:11.000 is what happened, right, So you're a genuine broh yo. 1:35:12.840 --> 1:35:14.560 You know, in my mind, I'm trying to get this, 1:35:15.040 --> 1:35:15.800 you know, I'm trying to. 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:17.479 Get it behind it, get it behind me, right. 1:35:17.760 --> 1:35:19.800 So I had another album coming out, and I'm gonna 1:35:19.800 --> 1:35:22.280 put that ghetto legend album out, you know what I'm saying. 1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:24.600 So I'm like, I'm like, this album's on bad Boy. No, 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:28.000 this album was this, This was this was the album 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:31.200 My job in twenty ten, like Famous Records to do 1:35:31.400 --> 1:35:33.960 the Jeffrey Collins, you know what I'm saying. 1:35:34.479 --> 1:35:36.120 So so still popping. 1:35:36.920 --> 1:35:39.760 We still do our thing. I look something shows, you 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:42.040 know what I mean. So I finally get another album, 1:35:42.640 --> 1:35:45.760 a record deal album deal. Dude is like, yo, listen, 1:35:45.800 --> 1:35:46.479 we're gonna push it. 1:35:46.560 --> 1:35:46.920 Da da da. 1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:48.840 So I'm like, I don't want to go through this 1:35:49.560 --> 1:35:51.880 with this album, you know, with the same stuff on 1:35:52.000 --> 1:35:53.840 my mind and all that, Like, you know what, I'm 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:56.160 gonna get to the bottom of it, right. So I 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:58.800 goes to it. I goes to the precinct. I said, yo, 1:35:58.920 --> 1:36:02.240 look I did such and such and such, and he 1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:03.960 like them. He looked at me like I was crazy. 1:36:04.000 --> 1:36:08.040 He was like, he said, really that's what you did. 1:36:09.200 --> 1:36:11.880 He said, so you did that. He said, you know what, 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:16.759 take this card, call me. We're gonna give me your number. He'said, 1:36:16.760 --> 1:36:19.639 give me, this is a detective. This is a detective. 1:36:20.120 --> 1:36:21.320 He was like, all right, give me because you know, 1:36:21.680 --> 1:36:23.599 go to go to the priest and like they act 1:36:23.960 --> 1:36:26.439 at the desk like you know what I mean, before 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:27.960 you go in the priest. And it was like another 1:36:28.280 --> 1:36:31.720 like desk right, so I'll go to them. He was 1:36:31.800 --> 1:36:34.360 like yo, he said, yo, so give me your number. 1:36:34.439 --> 1:36:36.519 I gave him my number, he gave me, he gave 1:36:36.600 --> 1:36:39.240 me his card. He was like, yo, I'm gonna call 1:36:39.320 --> 1:36:43.639 you if we find out anything in what you're talking about. 1:36:43.760 --> 1:36:46.360 He asked me a few questions, like you know, what day? 1:36:46.680 --> 1:36:47.200 When was it. 1:36:47.240 --> 1:36:49.000 I was like, yo, it's in the winter, some like 1:36:49.160 --> 1:36:52.160 back in the nineties, ninety three, ninety two. He was like, okay, 1:36:52.439 --> 1:36:55.040 he said, we're gonna look into it. He was like like, 1:36:55.200 --> 1:36:57.080 I said, gave me the number. Boom, so I leave. 1:36:57.280 --> 1:37:01.200 I'm like and then I said leave, you leave right. 1:37:01.360 --> 1:37:03.599 They let me leave boom. It's like beat it right. 1:37:03.720 --> 1:37:07.840 So I so they never caused me, and I lost 1:37:07.920 --> 1:37:10.080 the phone like maybe like a week late. I lost 1:37:10.120 --> 1:37:13.439 the phone and his call right. So now I'm like, damn, 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:16.200 now I'm still not going to know what happened, you 1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:18.599 know what I mean. So I was like, I'm going 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:21.920 I'm going back to this one last time and if 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:23.960 they don't say nothing this time, I was gonna leave 1:37:23.960 --> 1:37:26.200 it alone, like you know what I mean the second 1:37:26.240 --> 1:37:27.600 time second, you know what I mean? So I go, 1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:30.000 I go, And that was the time I'm like, I 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:32.400 can't believe you know what I'm saying. You do it, 1:37:32.600 --> 1:37:33.160 you know what I'm saying. 1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:33.840 So but I'll go. 1:37:36.760 --> 1:37:38.960 Yeah, Like I was like, Okay, this this is and 1:37:39.360 --> 1:37:40.880 it was gonna be it either way, like you know 1:37:40.920 --> 1:37:42.080 what I mean. It was gonna be like, this is 1:37:42.120 --> 1:37:44.639 gonna be the last time I'm coming here if they don't, 1:37:44.680 --> 1:37:46.240 you know, if they turned me away this time, this 1:37:46.400 --> 1:37:48.840 is it, you know. So But but you know, I 1:37:48.960 --> 1:37:51.240 went in and boy was like you know, the rest 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:54.360 the same detective us now was some different different dudes. 1:37:54.400 --> 1:37:57.280 And you know, once I told him something, he kind 1:37:57.320 --> 1:38:00.360 of was like like, how would you know that? Like 1:38:00.400 --> 1:38:02.400 you know what I'm saying. I was like, Yo, I 1:38:02.479 --> 1:38:05.639 think I said. I think I said I was riding 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:08.640 a bike and that's what that's what made him catch it. 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:12.360 Get the instrant like he kind of they whatever, they 1:38:12.479 --> 1:38:15.240 like they knew it was a bike involved, and he 1:38:15.439 --> 1:38:18.040 was like he's just went in the back and he 1:38:18.160 --> 1:38:18.599 was like yo. 1:38:19.320 --> 1:38:22.280 He kept asking me stuff like yo, so like what 1:38:22.520 --> 1:38:23.439 was you wearing that night? 1:38:23.479 --> 1:38:25.200 And I was like, I had a brown jacket on 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:28.160 brown sleeve. She was like, so, I guess they already 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:30.120 had the description of the dude, you know what I'm saying. 1:38:30.160 --> 1:38:32.080 They was like, yo, damn, you know what I mean. 1:38:32.160 --> 1:38:34.080 So then so then he so then he came back. 1:38:34.160 --> 1:38:35.960 It was like, Yo, come come on back here for 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:39.479 a minute, you know. So then so then they spoke 1:38:39.520 --> 1:38:42.479 to me a little bit more, not covering you cut 1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:44.679 them in like the interrogation room, you know what I'm saying. 1:38:44.720 --> 1:38:48.960 And they like, Yo, we got the prosecutor coming to 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:51.280 coming to see you, you know what I'm saying. So 1:38:51.360 --> 1:38:53.720 at this point I'm pretty sure they already knew, you 1:38:53.760 --> 1:38:55.360 know what I mean. So they was like, Yo, we 1:38:55.400 --> 1:38:57.479 got the prosecutor coming to see you. He's gonna ask 1:38:57.479 --> 1:38:59.720 you some questions, you know what I'm saying. So they 1:39:00.240 --> 1:39:02.360 like they made me sit there for about a half hour. 1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:05.640 He pulls up and then he was just you know, 1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:09.240 you know, because this is the guy who takes took 1:39:09.280 --> 1:39:10.600 the case, so he knows all of it. 1:39:10.720 --> 1:39:11.880 Yeah, you know, all of the details. 1:39:11.920 --> 1:39:14.439 So he's telling me, Yo, He's like, Yo, so so 1:39:14.600 --> 1:39:16.320 that night, who you're with like, you know, he started 1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:19.360 getting crazy, like really like, you know, investigating with you 1:39:19.479 --> 1:39:20.000 on camera? 1:39:20.200 --> 1:39:21.840 Yeah, I'm on camera. You know, who are you with? 1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:22.080 What? 1:39:22.360 --> 1:39:24.720 Who are you wearing? What was you what time was it? 1:39:24.800 --> 1:39:26.920 You know, stuff like that. I'm answering him. I'm like, yo, yeah, 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:28.360 I was by myself. I'm just out there. 1:39:28.760 --> 1:39:29.439 What was you doing? 1:39:29.520 --> 1:39:31.000 Like I was trying to you know, I was. I 1:39:31.080 --> 1:39:32.680 thought I was gonna rob him and he you know, 1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:35.120 you grab, you know, stuff like that, you know, And 1:39:35.240 --> 1:39:40.960 then he was like yo, So after after after I 1:39:41.080 --> 1:39:42.760 was and then I tried I kind of interrupted him. 1:39:42.760 --> 1:39:43.920 I was like, yo, what happened to the guy? 1:39:44.000 --> 1:39:45.840 You know what I mean? And that he was he 1:39:46.000 --> 1:39:47.800 kept talking, you know what I mean, asking me this 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:49.559 and that. Then he was like, yo, by the way, 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:50.240 the god died. 1:39:51.520 --> 1:39:56.720 I was like, how did that hit you? At that point, 1:39:56.800 --> 1:39:59.760 I was like like so now all my life, I'm 1:39:59.840 --> 1:40:02.320 like a different kind of dude until I you know 1:40:02.320 --> 1:40:04.080 what I mean, Like I didn't think I killed nobody, 1:40:04.080 --> 1:40:04.240 you know. 1:40:04.240 --> 1:40:04.599 What I'm saying. 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:07.599 And when they told me that, I was like damn, 1:40:07.720 --> 1:40:10.680 Like like damn, I'm like a murderer now, like you 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:12.680 know what I'm saying. So it was like wow. It 1:40:12.800 --> 1:40:14.280 was like wow, you know what I mean. 1:40:14.439 --> 1:40:17.320 And then you know, then they just kind of like 1:40:18.720 --> 1:40:20.880 just like put me through the whole process after that, 1:40:21.000 --> 1:40:22.640 you know what I mean. They wasn't really they was 1:40:22.720 --> 1:40:24.680 like yo, yo, thanks for you know. 1:40:26.160 --> 1:40:29.280 They give you any special treatment because you actually came 1:40:29.360 --> 1:40:29.680 in on this. 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:31.519 Yeah, I mean, they just you know, gave me, you know, 1:40:31.720 --> 1:40:34.439 showed a little like kind of like you know, respect 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:35.280 for what I did. 1:40:35.439 --> 1:40:36.040 Like you know what I mean. 1:40:36.120 --> 1:40:39.479 It was like Yo, well man, I mean, thanks for 1:40:39.560 --> 1:40:42.000 coming in, man. But yeah, man, you know, so they started, 1:40:42.040 --> 1:40:44.200 you know, you know, the other officers, they were kind 1:40:44.240 --> 1:40:46.920 of just trying to you know, kind of be nice 1:40:46.960 --> 1:40:48.920 about it, you know what I mean, because they knew, Yeah, 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:50.800 they knew it was about to go down. They was like, yo, 1:40:50.920 --> 1:40:53.040 look man, yo, you know you want to show the 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:55.640 like right, you know, you. 1:40:55.640 --> 1:40:58.640 Know obviously I never got crazy or nothing like that. 1:40:58.840 --> 1:41:01.679 But to a certain extent, rappers we get a little 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:04.439 bit of privilege, right when we when we at what 1:41:04.560 --> 1:41:08.400 point did they discover that this person who just admitted 1:41:08.800 --> 1:41:11.960 to a homicide is also g depth the rapper? 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:13.200 I don't I don't know. 1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:15.240 I can't even tell you like when they figured it out. 1:41:15.320 --> 1:41:17.360 I know, I know, I got when I got to 1:41:17.479 --> 1:41:21.000 the precinct, you know, I mean when I got you know, 1:41:21.360 --> 1:41:24.360 situated and went to the tombs and all of that, and. 1:41:24.360 --> 1:41:26.320 Then I called home. I got to call home. 1:41:26.840 --> 1:41:28.920 That's when, you know, my moms and all of them 1:41:29.000 --> 1:41:30.640 told me, yoh, you know, you're all the news and 1:41:30.800 --> 1:41:33.439 other all that stuff. So I don't know how how 1:41:33.479 --> 1:41:35.840 they translated it, you know what I mean. But I'm 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:36.639 not sure if they knew. 1:41:36.680 --> 1:41:37.320 They might have knew. 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:39.479 They didn't violate by having the cameras out, like you 1:41:39.520 --> 1:41:42.840 know how they always have the personal coff going to 1:41:42.920 --> 1:41:44.960 the car. They didn't do that now, so they respected that. 1:41:45.280 --> 1:41:47.320 Yeah. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't 1:41:47.360 --> 1:41:49.960 know if they knew or not at that point. I 1:41:50.000 --> 1:41:52.240 don't know, you know what I'm saying. They might have, 1:41:52.360 --> 1:41:55.000 but they it was like late. They just took me 1:41:55.240 --> 1:41:57.280 in the car, cuffed me, you know what I mean, 1:41:57.360 --> 1:41:59.000 took me downtown, you know what I mean. 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:01.880 And condolences to the family of that person. 1:42:02.200 --> 1:42:05.519 Yeah, for sure, man, his his his his his brother 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:08.320 in law. You know, came to some of the some 1:42:08.479 --> 1:42:09.800 of the proceedings, you know, what I mean. 1:42:10.160 --> 1:42:10.560 I was that. 1:42:11.800 --> 1:42:15.120 I mean, you know, you know, I was just there 1:42:15.240 --> 1:42:17.040 doing what I was doing, you know what I mean. 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:20.320 He you know, he he felt like, you know, I 1:42:20.479 --> 1:42:23.080 kind of like opened up an old wound kind of 1:42:23.160 --> 1:42:24.120 so to speak, like. 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:27.200 Yeah, because I mean, I mean like basically, he want 1:42:27.280 --> 1:42:28.000 he didn't want you to. 1:42:28.479 --> 1:42:30.040 He was like, yo, he should have just I mean 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:32.160 he said it in the papers, like you know, he 1:42:32.320 --> 1:42:33.960 was like, yo, he should have just left it alone. 1:42:34.120 --> 1:42:35.720 Like you know what I mean, if you think about it, 1:42:35.840 --> 1:42:38.320 it is old wounds being open up, you know what 1:42:38.320 --> 1:42:40.559 I mean, It is how you felt that definitely how 1:42:40.560 --> 1:42:40.920 he felt. 1:42:40.920 --> 1:42:43.080 He was like, yo, the family, he was kind of 1:42:43.160 --> 1:42:46.519 over it, you know, like you know what I'm saying, 1:42:46.560 --> 1:42:50.880 and I was, you know, so fuck him. He was 1:42:50.920 --> 1:42:52.840 wilding on me, like you know what he's saying that 1:42:52.880 --> 1:42:55.559 about Yeah, like you know what I'm saying. Excuse my language, 1:42:55.600 --> 1:42:58.600 Like you know, I'm being frank to say something and 1:42:58.680 --> 1:42:59.799 it's a serious situation. 1:43:00.360 --> 1:43:01.320 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:43:02.240 --> 1:43:04.760 So you know I get it though, you know, at 1:43:04.760 --> 1:43:05.559 the end of the day, you. 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:10.720 Know, man, you yo, I salute you man, like I 1:43:10.800 --> 1:43:14.560 always like, you know, her bits and pieces of the 1:43:14.640 --> 1:43:21.719 story and I kind of like, you know, maybe didn't 1:43:21.720 --> 1:43:24.720 even want to ask these questions on here, like just 1:43:25.000 --> 1:43:26.960 on a personal level, Like you know what I'm saying, 1:43:27.040 --> 1:43:30.360 because like what you did is real, Like I've never 1:43:30.439 --> 1:43:32.920 heard of nothing like this. I don't think nobody's ever 1:43:33.080 --> 1:43:36.600 done what you've done. And like I see you like 1:43:36.680 --> 1:43:38.760 a man's man, Like I'll look at you like a 1:43:38.840 --> 1:43:41.920 man's man, you know what I'm saying, Like and like 1:43:42.320 --> 1:43:45.640 down to like even your music, like I'm trying to 1:43:45.720 --> 1:43:47.760 hear the bitterness in your music. I'm trying to hear 1:43:47.960 --> 1:43:51.960 like and I'm like then like like you actually went 1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:56.599 through this in a real way, like and it's crazy 1:43:56.680 --> 1:43:59.280 because a lot of people can't relate to that shit. 1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:00.720 And that's to be that why I ask you the 1:44:00.800 --> 1:44:03.120 question like two or three times in a different way. 1:44:03.760 --> 1:44:07.000 It's because I want the people to see how genuine 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:08.439 Like I kind of know my audience, you know what 1:44:08.479 --> 1:44:10.080 I'm saying, So I know how I want the people 1:44:10.120 --> 1:44:13.760 to see how genuine you are. And that's that's and look, 1:44:13.840 --> 1:44:15.679 let's be honest, like, man, that's amazing story. 1:44:15.800 --> 1:44:17.040 We can like appreciate it. 1:44:17.120 --> 1:44:19.360 The families you know forever, you know, like you never 1:44:19.640 --> 1:44:21.880 could make up for what has happened to that family. 1:44:22.479 --> 1:44:24.840 But you have done what you can to a tone 1:44:24.920 --> 1:44:27.559 for for what you've done. And you did your time, 1:44:27.640 --> 1:44:29.360 you know what I'm saying. And all you could do 1:44:29.560 --> 1:44:31.919 is be the better human being that you're trying. 1:44:31.720 --> 1:44:34.360 To be right now. So yeah, that's how I feel 1:44:34.400 --> 1:44:36.840 about it. You know at this point, you know, so. 1:44:37.400 --> 1:44:41.280 You didn't see all out. You didn't you had time served. 1:44:41.600 --> 1:44:44.160 I mean, I mean, I mean you had good behavior 1:44:44.560 --> 1:44:46.680 because you said you did thirteen out of fifteen to life. 1:44:46.880 --> 1:44:47.120 Yeah. 1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:50.600 No, I wound up getting clemency. Okay, what is that for? 1:44:50.640 --> 1:44:52.000 People who gave you clemency? 1:44:52.080 --> 1:44:56.720 Like it was a governor governor hog, yeah, governor whole 1:44:56.720 --> 1:45:00.439 who gave me a credit uh lemency. 1:45:00.840 --> 1:45:01.280 She gave me. 1:45:01.439 --> 1:45:05.320 She gave me an executive clemency. It wasn't really to like, 1:45:05.760 --> 1:45:07.680 because I don't think they can give you clemency if 1:45:07.720 --> 1:45:11.080 you have a like a murder, They gotta they gotta 1:45:11.200 --> 1:45:14.240 kind of just let you go to the parole board early. 1:45:15.040 --> 1:45:17.920 So what they did, yeah, yeah, so they just basically 1:45:18.000 --> 1:45:22.320 commuted my sentence at thirteen at thirteen years and then 1:45:22.360 --> 1:45:25.519 I went to the board and the board let me go, wow, yeah, 1:45:26.000 --> 1:45:27.840 oh she still had to see the board. Yeah, I 1:45:27.920 --> 1:45:31.120 still had to see the board. They they gave me clemency. 1:45:31.240 --> 1:45:36.800 Came came to my my unit. Y'all, the supervisor want 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:38.479 to see you. I go down and talk to us. 1:45:38.560 --> 1:45:41.080 She give me to you know, no, she didn't give 1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:42.960 me a certificate then, but she told me everything. 1:45:43.040 --> 1:45:43.160 Yo. 1:45:43.280 --> 1:45:46.639 Look, you know they governor granted you clemency. She read, 1:45:46.760 --> 1:45:48.840 she read the certificate she did. She said, you know 1:45:48.960 --> 1:45:51.640 you've been here by you know, granted you know what 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:53.519 I mean. I'm like, wow, you know, she was like 1:45:53.720 --> 1:45:56.800 she was real nice about it. And and then like 1:45:57.040 --> 1:46:00.280 and I'm like, all right, so when I go home, 1:46:00.680 --> 1:46:02.080 I say, at this point, you know what I mean? 1:46:02.120 --> 1:46:03.680 She like, nah, what it is? 1:46:03.760 --> 1:46:06.320 You gotta you gotta, you gotta go to parole. You 1:46:06.439 --> 1:46:09.200 know we're gonna you know, parole is gonna decide whether 1:46:09.240 --> 1:46:12.879 you're going home. So what is exactly his clemency? 1:46:12.960 --> 1:46:13.240 What is that? 1:46:13.800 --> 1:46:18.280 It's just basically like it's a part. It's a part 1:46:18.360 --> 1:46:19.679 in it's. 1:46:19.640 --> 1:46:23.840 Kind of like a uh kind of like just because 1:46:23.840 --> 1:46:27.479 because they don't they don't just like wipe wipe your 1:46:27.880 --> 1:46:30.120 record clean a party and they'll wipe your record clean. 1:46:30.200 --> 1:46:33.360 You know what I'm saying. Yeah, clemency Like they kind 1:46:33.400 --> 1:46:34.599 of just let you out of jail. 1:46:34.720 --> 1:46:37.120 Like it's kind of like a like you did your time, 1:46:37.160 --> 1:46:39.720 We're gonna let you. Yeah, like did you reach out to. 1:46:39.720 --> 1:46:42.080 The governor or the government just heard about your case 1:46:42.120 --> 1:46:45.280 and see you stepped it up, so they wanted to 1:46:45.360 --> 1:46:45.519 do that. 1:46:46.200 --> 1:46:46.400 Nah. 1:46:46.479 --> 1:46:49.080 It was actually it was weird. 1:46:49.200 --> 1:46:50.800 I came I'm not weird, but it was you know, 1:46:50.920 --> 1:46:52.880 praise and creat It was one of them things I came. 1:46:53.040 --> 1:46:56.240 I came in from you know, regular jailing, you know 1:46:56.240 --> 1:46:58.719 what I'm saying, and I going I look on the kiosk, 1:46:59.439 --> 1:47:02.120 you know, and jo they got and I get an 1:47:02.160 --> 1:47:07.960 email from a lawyer, Uh, Stephen Steven Zeppman. 1:47:08.040 --> 1:47:09.840 My my clemency lawyer. 1:47:10.520 --> 1:47:13.439 Yo. Look we we uh you know my name is 1:47:13.479 --> 1:47:15.639 Steven Zepman. Did the introduction, you know what I'm saying. 1:47:16.080 --> 1:47:21.400 You know, I run a clemency uh, a clemency group 1:47:21.600 --> 1:47:23.560 and you know a bunch of kids from you know 1:47:23.720 --> 1:47:25.280 n YU or one of the colleges. 1:47:25.320 --> 1:47:28.160 You know, we get people out of jail. Your case 1:47:28.280 --> 1:47:31.080 was brought to my attention by the by the d A. 1:47:31.840 --> 1:47:35.360 The actual d A, d same Dame d A. The 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:36.719 d A and the judge. 1:47:36.800 --> 1:47:38.519 He was like, yo, your your case was brought to 1:47:38.600 --> 1:47:40.360 my attention by the d A and the judge and 1:47:40.439 --> 1:47:42.840 they suggest that we help you get out. 1:47:43.280 --> 1:47:43.920 That's crazy. 1:47:44.400 --> 1:47:46.439 And I was like, So when I finally got to 1:47:46.520 --> 1:47:47.479 talk to him, he was like yeah. 1:47:47.560 --> 1:47:50.000 The d A was like yo, he he thought they 1:47:50.040 --> 1:47:50.880 gave you a little bit. 1:47:50.840 --> 1:47:52.880 Too much time. And and the judge he said, yo, 1:47:53.000 --> 1:47:54.760 we didn't want to give him that time. We had 1:47:54.840 --> 1:47:57.439 to give him that time. So then they was like yo, 1:47:58.520 --> 1:48:01.040 you know then they were my case. From that, you 1:48:01.080 --> 1:48:02.840 know what I'm saying. From there, I just did. I went, 1:48:02.960 --> 1:48:05.760 I followed, you know, I went through you know, all 1:48:05.760 --> 1:48:08.280 the emotions. You know, I broke my personal statement, you 1:48:08.320 --> 1:48:11.720 know all of that stuff, got the letters, you know, 1:48:12.800 --> 1:48:14.920 letters of intent from people and stuff like not let 1:48:15.040 --> 1:48:16.519 us intent, I forgot what you call it, you know, 1:48:16.720 --> 1:48:20.680 just character statements and stuff like that, and then we 1:48:21.080 --> 1:48:21.560 just put it in. 1:48:22.840 --> 1:48:30.160 Well man, well I'm taking a shot. I'm sure takes 1:48:30.200 --> 1:48:32.920 one of the strongs people. I know, brother, you could 1:48:32.920 --> 1:48:35.479 have did it too. An experience was would it moved you? 1:48:35.720 --> 1:48:35.920 Oh? 1:48:36.160 --> 1:48:39.439 Man? I don't know. If I got that spirit, I 1:48:39.560 --> 1:48:44.519 must to be honest on my but whoa, yeah, man, 1:48:44.560 --> 1:48:45.559 thank you for your honesty. 1:48:45.640 --> 1:48:45.800 Man. 1:48:45.880 --> 1:48:47.360 You know what I'm saying, It's all good. 1:48:48.560 --> 1:48:51.760 Like you know, first off, I don't have experience of 1:48:52.200 --> 1:48:55.760 talking about things like this, and like again, we're in 1:48:55.800 --> 1:48:58.040 the same industry, so I get to hear bits and pieces, 1:48:58.680 --> 1:49:02.240 and I never really unders stood the whole story, like 1:49:02.320 --> 1:49:07.960 how you understand how you usually explained it. And I 1:49:08.080 --> 1:49:11.479 know the industry is gonna eat this up as well. 1:49:11.560 --> 1:49:16.000 They're gonna be like wow, because I've searched you all 1:49:17.040 --> 1:49:20.240 for the two weeks and I didn't see you explain 1:49:20.320 --> 1:49:23.040 this like the way you just explained this what I'm said, 1:49:23.720 --> 1:49:27.880 And I was scared to kind of ask because you know, 1:49:27.960 --> 1:49:31.519 there's two things that we get when we interview people. 1:49:32.520 --> 1:49:35.559 There's always somebody to say, hey, don't ask this right, 1:49:35.800 --> 1:49:37.840 and then we say, we don't want this, motherfuckers, tell them, 1:49:37.960 --> 1:49:38.920 tell them, get the funk away. 1:49:39.320 --> 1:49:41.160 If I can't ask you something, I don't, I don't 1:49:41.160 --> 1:49:42.559 want to sensitive regard. 1:49:42.960 --> 1:49:46.320 Yours is different. Yours was carved out, was like him. 1:49:47.120 --> 1:49:49.720 It's a sensitive thing. And then there's another thing, is 1:49:50.840 --> 1:49:53.479 I bet on some people's on time I lost the 1:49:53.520 --> 1:49:55.439 CU today. I lost. 1:49:55.479 --> 1:49:56.920 I bet on you, I bet on you. 1:49:57.520 --> 1:50:02.840 I'm like, Yo, you're gonna be here one time, and 1:50:02.960 --> 1:50:03.479 I lost. 1:50:04.520 --> 1:50:05.000 I lost. 1:50:07.080 --> 1:50:07.920 I'm on that. 1:50:09.720 --> 1:50:13.200 Yeah yeah, So you gave your time. You got to 1:50:13.240 --> 1:50:13.639 be on time. 1:50:17.520 --> 1:50:21.160 Man, Thank you so much, White me, thank you, thank 1:50:21.240 --> 1:50:22.320 you for coming coming. 1:50:22.400 --> 1:50:22.519 Yo. 1:50:22.920 --> 1:50:27.679 Listen, man, I promise you bro like one. I'm gonna 1:50:27.680 --> 1:50:31.240 reiterate what us said earlier. We went through your album. Yo, 1:50:31.320 --> 1:50:34.479 your ship is fucking fire. I can't believe you. I 1:50:34.560 --> 1:50:36.639 can't believe, like you still got it, Like I can't 1:50:36.680 --> 1:50:39.519 believe and we gotta you. You have a song on 1:50:39.640 --> 1:50:42.120 there that escort you still got it right? 1:50:42.240 --> 1:50:42.439 Yeah? 1:50:42.439 --> 1:50:45.160 Hell yeah. We have a segment on our ship that 1:50:45.280 --> 1:50:47.760 we were doing. Now let me see if you still 1:50:47.840 --> 1:50:50.439 got it. And it's about like we're gonna do the 1:50:50.479 --> 1:50:52.160 freestyle segment like how rap city. 1:50:52.360 --> 1:50:54.560 So it's crazy that you that me and you's on 1:50:54.640 --> 1:50:55.160 the same level. 1:50:55.240 --> 1:50:56.479 But you man, thank you. 1:50:56.680 --> 1:50:56.840 Man. 1:50:57.320 --> 1:51:00.000 Really appreciate you telling our story. 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