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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 1>These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Done done, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up and

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<v Speaker 3>SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Kara Klank and I only as a trigger. We're

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled you're here. We talk SVU true crime. Sometimes we

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<v Speaker 2>have celebrity guests. Sometimes we just keep on talking like

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<v Speaker 2>they're not here, and guess what, the episodes end up

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<v Speaker 2>being longer. Still, so that's that's the truth. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>truth here. That's Messed Up. Obviously we chit chat up top.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I have nothing, Like what do I

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<v Speaker 1>meant for me?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to lay in my bed, Like I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to be well moistorized and in my bed.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's laptop burning my chest.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and a joint burning my lungs and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I want.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's your Christmas miracle. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because my parents don't even know what a podcast is,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say I'm going to surprise them this New

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<v Speaker 2>Year's Oh yeah, I'm gonna fly on home.

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<v Speaker 1>You that's cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that's like your family's thing. You guys love New

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<v Speaker 3>Year's together. We do, and we like so I like

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<v Speaker 3>being a surprise. We like surprising each other with physical

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<v Speaker 3>bodies arriving and not arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And one.

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<v Speaker 3>Year we were we were like at Bucky's and I

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<v Speaker 3>think you bought your whole family matching like sweatshirts or something,

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<v Speaker 3>or T shirts or something to wear on New Year's together.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we have like historic photos, like one year

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<v Speaker 2>we all wore ties, one year we all wore like

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<v Speaker 2>pajamas from Thailand. One year we all dressed like singers

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<v Speaker 2>or like celebrities because I think I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be Gwyneth Paltrow that year the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 1>So we yeah, we've like done themes. I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry to Tangent, but the way you just said

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<v Speaker 3>singer reminded me of because I'm a singer. And did

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<v Speaker 3>you hear this thing that a priest let Sabrina Carpenter

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<v Speaker 3>shoot a video in his church and because of that,

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<v Speaker 3>it led to the discovery that he gave two million

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<v Speaker 3>dollars to one of Eric Adams's guys in New York City,

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<v Speaker 3>like to Eric Adams Kingmaker as they say, which is like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, just a go like a guy who works

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<v Speaker 3>for him and makes things happen for him. But like

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<v Speaker 3>this was in the cut, did like twenty five Things

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<v Speaker 3>to Love about New York or something like that, and

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<v Speaker 3>this was one of the things.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that, but I didn't dig deeper, and I

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<v Speaker 2>am curious how Like so then the accountant or someone

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<v Speaker 2>recognized the church and the video, Like what was it

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<v Speaker 2>that got found out?

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<v Speaker 1>Like? How is what? I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 3>He's being accused of mishandling two million dollars in parish

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<v Speaker 3>funds and he made unauthorized financial transfers to a former

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<v Speaker 3>aid in Eric Adams administration, which is now under federal

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<v Speaker 3>corruption probe. This is going to be a miss view episode,

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Also, wait, I'll say another thing that

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<v Speaker 1>happened like today.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it all started on Halloween, Carpenter released the

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<v Speaker 3>music video for her song Feather, which takes place partially

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<v Speaker 3>in a Brooklyn church. Okay, so a bishop saw it

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<v Speaker 3>and was like appalled that it had been filmed in

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<v Speaker 3>a church, probably because Sabrina's you know, looking hot. It

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't follow their policy regarding filming on church property and

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<v Speaker 3>they were supposed to have like a review of the

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<v Speaker 3>scenes in the script or something. I think because he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't comply with like the parish's video filming policy or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>They looked into more shit that he was doing, and

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<v Speaker 3>they found that he had given this two million dollars

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<v Speaker 3>to the Mayor of New York's person, and the Mayor

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<v Speaker 3>of New York is like under a lot of scrutiny

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<v Speaker 3>for corruption and like not being not being a great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But he made.

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<v Speaker 3>Any statements about it. I don't think so. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. But she did wear a shirt

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<v Speaker 3>to Coachella that says Jesus was a carpenter, okay earlier

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<v Speaker 3>this year. But yeah, I don't know. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>Sabrina has said anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just keeping hearing how many pop stars have

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<v Speaker 2>stuff with the church, because now I'm thinking about Katie Perry,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, stealing the nuns home as like this is

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<v Speaker 2>so funny. I wonder where Madonna filmed her like a

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<v Speaker 2>prayer music video. It's so funny how the same things

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<v Speaker 2>are offensive for decades, like nothing ever changes.

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<v Speaker 1>People are just still mad.

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<v Speaker 2>At anyone being remotely slutty, and like, oh, Jesus, Yes

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<v Speaker 2>is everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know it so weird.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to hear some cute school gossip from Rosie.

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<v Speaker 3>So you last year so graciously sat with Oscar for

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<v Speaker 3>like forty five minutes to an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>I went and watched Rosie's.

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<v Speaker 3>Very gracious, so gracious, very demure of you and you.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're doing it again this year, like another performance,

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<v Speaker 3>but this year Rosie's in the dual language, so they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing All I Want for Christmas is you?

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<v Speaker 1>In Spanish?

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<v Speaker 3>Toto loke kioto ries too right, And it's the exact

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<v Speaker 3>same words as the English thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just in Spanish. Oh okay, it's just in Spanish.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they're like, they don't change the meaning really like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, because sometimes they'll change the meaning a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit so that the words fit better, like you know, lyrically.

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<v Speaker 3>But a couple, like one mom in our class is

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<v Speaker 3>saying that it's inappropriate for kindergarteners, and we're all like

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the lyrics. I'm like, look, I don't speak Spanish,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm like reading the Spanish being like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I read enough Spanish to be like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>there's anything sexual in here, everything's like I want to

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<v Speaker 3>be close to you. I want to put my arms

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<v Speaker 3>around you. There's like one part about lips or something,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, there's a kiss in every Disney movie,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just don't think this is inappropriate. And she

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<v Speaker 3>basically put it in our group being like does everybody

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<v Speaker 3>think this? Doesn't everybody think this is a little bit inappropriate?

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<v Speaker 3>And this is not even like the kind of lady

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<v Speaker 3>that makes a lot of problems, like you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is not a Karen. And everybody was

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<v Speaker 3>like no, like nobody answered, and the few people that

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<v Speaker 3>did answer were like no. And she's brought it to

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<v Speaker 3>the principal today and it's like making the teachers lives

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<v Speaker 3>miserable because they're just trying to teach these kids a

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<v Speaker 3>very complicated song in Spanish and she keeps complaining and

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<v Speaker 3>they keep thinking that they have to change it, but

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<v Speaker 3>like it's.

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<v Speaker 2>One bitch, So I hope it doesn't work. I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's on you, like you want your kid out of there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not yeah, don't let them do the performance. Then

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<v Speaker 2>my fifth grade teacher wouldn't let us do Barbie Girl, Barbie,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Barbie, Yeah, Barbie girl. He said it was inappropriate,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, we're ten, we don't know that. Let

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<v Speaker 2>us do the Barbie song. You fucking I can't listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the Barbie song all the time. They've never been like,

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<v Speaker 2>what does undress me wear mean?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, they don't. They don't know we're putting that on them.

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<v Speaker 3>You're putting that on them? Is like me and this

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<v Speaker 3>other one we're talking about this morning. We're like, you're

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<v Speaker 3>the one giving your kids these ideas. Because then Rosie

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<v Speaker 3>comes home and goes, yeah, I think we're changing the

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<v Speaker 3>song because somebody said it's inappropriate, and I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the song is staying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not inappropriate anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a full, it's a full so annoying drama, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure they're gonna end up doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, but it is Christmas Eve. Everyone's stirring

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<v Speaker 2>even a mouse. No, yeah, I know that's not how

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<v Speaker 2>the real story goes. But what am I doing Christmas Eve?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hopefully getting drunk at the cellar and doing spots

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<v Speaker 2>for the Jews in town and the people with no family.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see or and some European tourists. I'm sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm really excited for that Christmas Day classic American

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<v Speaker 2>vibes with friends in New York City, And yeah, I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I did see one movie in my one of the

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<v Speaker 2>streamers called Surviving Christmas, and I've never even heard of

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<v Speaker 2>it or seen anything. But Ben Affleck's like a lonely,

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<v Speaker 2>weird millionaire and he pays James Gandolfini two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand dollars to stay with his family and his

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<v Speaker 2>old childhood home and do.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever he says.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait why because he's lonely. He wants story live the

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<v Speaker 2>magic of his youth.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's Catherine O'Hara and Christina Applegate also in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never heard of this. Yeah, the star studded, what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is weird.

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<v Speaker 3>It's weird. It's just weird. It's like weird that it

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<v Speaker 3>didn't even become like a funny haha, bad movie, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 3>and James Gandolfini is like beloved.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, well, I saw. My goal is

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<v Speaker 2>to watch it this holiday season.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can accomplish that, and I really want

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<v Speaker 1>to know. Well. The first review I'm seeing is this

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<v Speaker 1>was a really tough watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, all right, so you know you're not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be a bitch, right, but can I just tell you?

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<v Speaker 2>So my TV's not working, like I came back from

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<v Speaker 2>a town. It's like shaken up about like it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's glitchy. It's just not work. It doesn't work. I

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<v Speaker 2>can call best Buy. They're like, listen, and then one time,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't buy the fucking warranty, right, But they go,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a manufacturing warranty for up to a year,

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<v Speaker 2>so just call Roku. So I call Roku and the

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<v Speaker 2>woman's like, no, you got to call best spy. I go,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely not. Best By told me to call you. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a one year thing, Like I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to tell. And then I go, give me a supervisor.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, I'm not dealing with you. I go give

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<v Speaker 2>me a supervisor. Supervisor gets on. He I send him

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<v Speaker 2>the video and then he tries to let me think

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the electricity. I go, well, no, sir, everything

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<v Speaker 2>else is connected to the same electricity and it's working fine.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he goes, you're right, it's a hardware issue.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll send you a new TV. In three to seven days. Ah,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just like, what the fuck? So if I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't annoying, I would I never call Best Buy and

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<v Speaker 2>then go back and it's like, what are we teaching me?

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't get it. People are like, don't be

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<v Speaker 3>a Karen. But then like, there are certain situations where

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<v Speaker 3>if you do not keep asking for the manager, asking

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<v Speaker 3>for the next level of person, you do not get anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I had to get a fucking my solar panels,

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<v Speaker 3>I had to get a lean removed all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I went on Reddit and they were like, you need

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<v Speaker 3>to keep asking for a manager or you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get anywhere. And that's what I did, and I finally

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<v Speaker 3>got what I had to get done. Like but then

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<v Speaker 3>people are like, oh, you're this bitch, You're this Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>If I just listened to her, I would have called

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<v Speaker 2>Best Spy. They would have been no, called Roku bat

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<v Speaker 2>like cause then I told the guy I go, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've been told to the superrisor go, And now you

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<v Speaker 2>want me to call Best Bike and he goes, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to. It's some manufacturing warrantcy like you

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<v Speaker 2>called the right place, and it's like then what what

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<v Speaker 2>rigamarole is going on here?

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't you feel bad for people that like

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<v Speaker 3>are more shy or maybe don't speak English or like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's like harder like ways to communicate and

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<v Speaker 3>be forceful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it sucks. Do your job. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>fucking get?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they get punished if they give away free TVs

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like I didn't want a free TV. I

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<v Speaker 2>want this TV to work, or I thought someone would

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<v Speaker 2>fix it, because now I have to have someone take

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<v Speaker 2>it off the wall mount, you know, like yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>would have rather you guys fixed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't need a it doesn't you were saying it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't turn on at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and then if you plug it out and then

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<v Speaker 2>back in, it's like per I mean I could show

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<v Speaker 2>you the eight second video that I oh if I

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<v Speaker 2>threw my phone away, but it's just like, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not working.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well no, because I was gonna say like like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>if it was, you know, that's that sucks. If it was, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I was like, if it's partially working,

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<v Speaker 3>someone will take it. Like if you wanted to, like

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<v Speaker 3>you do buy nothing or something because like I would

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<v Speaker 3>I've given away when Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>Threw the phone at my TV.

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<v Speaker 3>It had like a full bars on the side, and

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<v Speaker 3>I like put it on a group and people were like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll think bye nothing group.

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<v Speaker 1>Is truly like a TLC show for the you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, It's.

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<v Speaker 3>Funny that you said that because I was talking to

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<v Speaker 3>Scotty Landis last night, who the host of Bananas. I

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<v Speaker 3>was talking to him and Bridger, the host of I

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<v Speaker 3>said no gifts, and I was like telling them about

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<v Speaker 3>buying nothing groups, and they go, this sounds like a script,

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<v Speaker 3>this sounds like a TV show, like these people, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was telling them about all these specific people with

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<v Speaker 3>like I was giving their names of people that live

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<v Speaker 3>in my neighborhood. I'm like, this guy came to my

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<v Speaker 3>house for a half a bag of ice. He came

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<v Speaker 3>within five minutes this morning, the day after I said

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<v Speaker 3>last week, the day after Thanksgiving, I had a pie

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<v Speaker 3>and I had four loose potatoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I put it up.

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<v Speaker 3>It was they were out of the house before Jared

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<v Speaker 3>woke up. Like, I'm using the buy nothing big time.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. I mean, it makes me just feel

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<v Speaker 3>good to not throw things away. I think to like

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<v Speaker 3>know someone else is getting good use out of it,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's really it's really for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, I mean if the half bag of ice

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<v Speaker 2>is wasted, you know, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>So the half bag of ice not as much.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was like, hey, anyone having a party soon,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I've got a half a bag of like that

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<v Speaker 3>big bags of ice, you know, but you know you're

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<v Speaker 3>just helping neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just doing doing the uh mister rogers of it all?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but yeah, I Christmas Eve, I don't know. I imagine

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<v Speaker 3>when this episode comes out, I'll be frantically wrapping a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of shit I ordered from Amazon for my children.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait do you know yet?

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<v Speaker 2>Or but for them it's easy because they want so

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<v Speaker 2>many things, right or it's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So easy, like the only problem will be like don't

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<v Speaker 3>order too much. Like I sometimes I'm like, is that enough?

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know, it's like you want the bottom of

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<v Speaker 3>the tree to look like big and like like impressive

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<v Speaker 3>when they come out, But it's like we're doing it here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like they're getting a bunch of different presents

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<v Speaker 3>from different family members and stuff, so it's like they

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<v Speaker 3>don't really need more than four gifts each, like they

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<v Speaker 3>have so much shit, but I'm probably gonna get more,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, but I want to get in books and

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<v Speaker 3>like stuff like I'll get them some like used stuff

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<v Speaker 3>probably that they.

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<v Speaker 1>Won't notice is used.

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<v Speaker 3>And then a couple of nice things from the Amazon catalog.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing Oscar keeps talking about, which I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>even looked at the catalog, is a unicorn that shoots comfetti.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I want that, That's all I want.

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<v Speaker 3>Santa better bring me this unicorn that shoots cood putty

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<v Speaker 3>like he's obsessed. So hopefully that's in the catalog and

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<v Speaker 3>easy to find. Unlike the dinosaur that shoots toys out

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<v Speaker 3>of its mouth, which was what Rosi asked for two

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<v Speaker 3>Christmases ago and is not a real thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>a thing she invented in her mind and I had

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<v Speaker 3>to find something that fitted, but I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I know, I wish we can, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to wait a long time to know

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<v Speaker 2>how it all goes goes down. I mean, are you

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<v Speaker 2>excited to do an La Christmas? Are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>the show the next day? We were going to the

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<v Speaker 2>puppet show earlier in the month. But I am really

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<v Speaker 2>excited for Christmas in La. Like people leave town. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no traffic, the weather's nice. We're taking the kids to

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<v Speaker 2>some huge like light bright installation that's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you do light bright when you were a kid?

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<v Speaker 3>No, Well, the kids like love that, Like a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of kids museums now have like light bright esque shit,

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<v Speaker 3>and so there's some big thing in Santa Monica.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take them to the long Beach Canals

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<v Speaker 1>if you can.

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<v Speaker 3>You can like go on these canals and look at

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<v Speaker 3>all these lights that people do. I keep seeing these

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<v Speaker 3>tiktoks of like the best La light displays, and like

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<v Speaker 3>some of the neighborhoods are like hour an hour away,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm gonna try to find one that's closer and

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<v Speaker 3>like take them on a little light thing. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what else, but it's gonna be a long ass break,

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<v Speaker 3>so we'll see. I'm probably gonna go. But my in

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<v Speaker 3>laws are coming also for a week, so oh they are, yeah, exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>Here Santa Claus, Here comes Santa Claus. My you know,

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<v Speaker 3>my kids call their grandfather Vanilla for no reason. They

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<v Speaker 3>just started calling him Vanilla. So they're just like Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, Grammy and Vanilla are coming. We're so excited.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like Oscar started doing it one day on FaceTime

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<v Speaker 3>out of nowhere. He's like, hi, Vanilla. The only thing

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<v Speaker 3>I can think of is my father in law has

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<v Speaker 3>white hair. Maybe it like looks like Vanilla ice cream.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know why doesn't, but it was just

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<v Speaker 3>like a grown man with a full life, and suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>now you're Vanilla.

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<v Speaker 1>Are not wild? Yeah yeah, Vanilla.

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<v Speaker 3>So Grammy and Vanilla will be in town, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>excited to not have to fly and like go anywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>but like I'll miss my fan but like you know, it's, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is kind of we do every other year back East,

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<v Speaker 3>and then every other year everybody kind of scatters to

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<v Speaker 3>their people. So I think, like my sister will be

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<v Speaker 3>in New Jersey and my brother will be in Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>and YadA YadA.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh yeah, oh that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, and like because sometimes they'll strawitch it up

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<v Speaker 3>with with like Thanksgiving and stuff. But I can't see

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<v Speaker 3>myself really ever traveling for Thanksgiving. Like you said, three

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<v Speaker 3>days is perfect and that's just not that's just like

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<v Speaker 3>too much to do with the like four of us,

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<v Speaker 3>especially with the airlines killing us on flights.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's uh, you know, off of this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's funny by the way that we are

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<v Speaker 3>doing this episode game like right at Christmas when people

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<v Speaker 3>are probably giving like tons of video games to people

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<v Speaker 3>like and it's like the biggest time of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like for gamers to.

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<v Speaker 2>Like get games, but a lot of people do like

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<v Speaker 2>games where they're a little elf and they're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>achieving dreams in the forest. Not everyone is shooting them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure achieving dream Rosie's

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<v Speaker 3>like already getting into Minecraft and I like want to die,

0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.959
<v Speaker 3>But I guess they're actually just like architecture. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's educational Minecraft, Like they let them play it

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<v Speaker 3>at school for like three minutes at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the day because it's got it's got problem solving and

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<v Speaker 3>building and stuff. So I love For three months, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, whatever, it's like for three minutes. Like they're

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<v Speaker 3>on the iPad total for forty five minutes a week,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's not thank you. Also, by the way, to

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<v Speaker 3>everybody who wrote to me asking me to read The

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<v Speaker 3>Anxious Generation, I already have.

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<v Speaker 1>I already have it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm already I've already forming my plan for my

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<v Speaker 3>children's getting my children phones.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does it say that you're gonna do? Like

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<v Speaker 1>what did you learn or like or.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm I'm pretty close to the beginning of the book.

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<v Speaker 3>But the main things, the main takeaways were no phones

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<v Speaker 3>until freshman year, no phones until ninth grade. You can

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<v Speaker 3>before that do flip phones or little watches that text

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever, but like nothing that gets on the internet

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<v Speaker 3>before ninth grade. And then no social media till sixteen, which,

0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.360
<v Speaker 3>by the way, Australia just outlawed social media under sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>No phones in school. And there's like one more.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing that I always forget that's like the big takeaway,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's pretty much all stuff that could be easily

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<v Speaker 3>done if all parents just did it. Like if people

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<v Speaker 3>just didn't give their kids a phone when they were seven,

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<v Speaker 3>then there wouldn't be your kid wouldn't be coming home

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<v Speaker 3>going well, Susie has a phone, you know, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fuck Susie, Yeah, fuck that little Susie.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, hopefully you guys are not all wrapping cell

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<v Speaker 3>phones right now for your five year olds and you're

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<v Speaker 3>having a very merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's get on the way festive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then now we're gonna just take you if

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<v Speaker 3>you happen to be listening to us while you're ropping presents,

0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.840
<v Speaker 3>or maybe you're going on a walk to escape your family. There,

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<v Speaker 3>we're just going to take you through a brutal crime

0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.800
<v Speaker 3>an a sociopath. So here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're gonna do the episode game today. And I

0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.359
<v Speaker 2>always forget what this is and then it starts, and

0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.879
<v Speaker 2>then I remember, I don't know, it's not it's not

0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.800
<v Speaker 2>in my like, I don't think about this one a lot.

0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I for me, this one I've seen so many times.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like I don't know why it's just come

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<v Speaker 3>up on my USA Network marathons, Like it's just one

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<v Speaker 3>of the ones I've seen so many times that like,

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<v Speaker 3>even when it's when it was happening, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I like remember lines from this, like I remember actual

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<v Speaker 3>things people.

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<v Speaker 1>Are about to say. Oh yeah, so it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy, Season six, episode fourteen, And okay, so we start

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<v Speaker 2>out there's a woman walking, she's alone on a street.

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<v Speaker 2>It's trouble and she's giving me Miley Cyrus vibes during

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<v Speaker 2>the climb Slash can't be tamed Era, but she is

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<v Speaker 2>a grown woman. So she's like walking on a cell

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<v Speaker 2>phone and while she's on the phone, a black car

0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.680
<v Speaker 2>comes just speeding down the street, straight up runs into her.

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<v Speaker 2>She tries to grab her cell phone to get help,

0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:12.400
<v Speaker 2>but the footsteps are now approaching her. She's crawling, she's struggling,

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.479
<v Speaker 2>and she struggles right into Finn and Stabler on the

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<v Speaker 2>on the crime scene, a real flash forward situation.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman was in her twenties. Life's been tough on her.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, no id, no purse, but we saw one earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>so we know the purse was taken. And then she

0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.880
<v Speaker 2>was run over and then Stabler asks and Finn is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the first hit and run and rape I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen. So basically, the car drove up a sidewalk

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.520
<v Speaker 2>to hit her, knocked her down. There's a trail of

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<v Speaker 2>blood and its smeared, so she was like getting dragged.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't get far and then she's covered in a sheet,

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<v Speaker 2>so now we know she's dead. She's now also naked.

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<v Speaker 2>We did not meet her naked, so they took her

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<v Speaker 2>clothes and purse beat her to death.

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<v Speaker 1>She's m nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>The nine one one call was an anonymous call, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we need to like figure out who called. Munch

0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.880
<v Speaker 2>is in the office and he's with like the nine

0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to one one operators, and that's pretty exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>We find out it's from a payphone uptown a quarter

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<v Speaker 2>after midnight, and we're looking for the call.

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<v Speaker 1>We're looking for a call. It's a man.

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<v Speaker 2>So the boy Brigade, Finns, Stabler and Munch are listening

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<v Speaker 2>to the call and it sounds like a cop because

0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>they're using the language.

0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like, call a bus. They're like, that's a cop. Yeah.

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.720
<v Speaker 2>If you're a cop trying to do some business, don't

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.760
<v Speaker 2>say call a bus, that's sure. And if you're trying

0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.879
<v Speaker 2>to frame a cop, say call a bus. Yeah. But

0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.320
<v Speaker 2>the call happened on the Upper east Side, so it's like,

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 2>how did that happen? This This all took place way downtown.

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.440
<v Speaker 2>So Stabler goes, well, maybe he ran her over, who

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.840
<v Speaker 2>fucking knows. But it goes straight to the credits with

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.399
<v Speaker 2>no information to be had, and now we're on the

0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.440
<v Speaker 2>clear board in the middle of the precinct, gruesome photos

0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.240
<v Speaker 2>of the scene. The Emmy has the DNA, so there's

0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.640
<v Speaker 2>tons of fluids, so we'll see what's up. There's also

0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:05.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of black and pink fragments. We got to

0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.600
<v Speaker 2>see what that is. And now Benson comes in with

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<v Speaker 2>info about figuring out like which cop it was and

0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.800
<v Speaker 2>who called nine one one, and Stabler's like, listen, whoever

0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.280
<v Speaker 2>did this is on PCP or it's personal because this

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 2>is so aggressive, And then Craigan asks Benson, when's the

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.119
<v Speaker 2>homicide course start?

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.200
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so I think this is.

0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Her maternity leave era as August was born, so it starts. Yeah,

0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.320
<v Speaker 2>so she goes, oh, it started two hours ago, and

0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.160
<v Speaker 2>we never see her again. So I love this kind

0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.720
<v Speaker 2>of schedule. She comes in and has a meeting, a

0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:44.400
<v Speaker 2>battered women, a conference conference, a homicide event, whatever it is.

0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:45.520
<v Speaker 1>She's out.

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.520
<v Speaker 2>So but we got something on the payphone, but there's

0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.480
<v Speaker 2>so many prints, but the caller wiped the phone but

0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:56.439
<v Speaker 2>then left a perfect print on the disconnect button and

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 2>it's a ten point match to an NYPD officer, and

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to our little sexy crime tech o'hallerin, we have

0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the name. His name's Tony Nasadorin and that's our caller.

0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.160
<v Speaker 2>But he, unfortunately right now, is on a joint terrorism

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Task Force, and his rep is like, we can't risk

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.919
<v Speaker 2>blowing his cover, Like he can't, No one can know

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 2>he made that call. This is the most you're gonna get,

0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 2>and the FEDS are gonna be pissed that even told

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:26.080
<v Speaker 2>you this much. But he's saying he didn't see anything.

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.639
<v Speaker 2>She's sorry, but she has to look at the bigger

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 2>picture and she's not gonna help. Sailor's pleading like, please,

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.080
<v Speaker 2>this is all we have. She agrees to help, and

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>she says this cannot go public or be used in

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 2>trial though, and Craigan does agree to those terms, and

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 2>we're at a walk and talk. She's explaining that they're

0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:48.680
<v Speaker 2>working on a crooked Filipino businessman who wires funds to

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 2>charities in the Far East that support terrorist groups. So

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 2>that's what we're looking for, and we don't really get

0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Filipino storylines, so I'm kind of excited.

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:01.679
<v Speaker 2>And they go to an under cover apartment. There's satellites

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>and tripods, so you know, there's a lot of secrets

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 2>and work going on, and we find out our caller

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:10.560
<v Speaker 2>and we're like, so, what does this Filipino man have

0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.200
<v Speaker 2>to do with the case? Tony answers that they tapped

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 2>all his phones and they caught him having a conversation

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.159
<v Speaker 2>with one of his employees. So the girl that he

0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 2>was talking to is an employee, and she's a working girl.

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:22.919
<v Speaker 1>He is a pimp, she is an escort.

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 2>He's claiming no sex, no sex anyways, Okay, I'm getting

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 2>out of myself. So but the whole attack is fucking

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:30.919
<v Speaker 2>recorded on this call because that's who she was talking to,

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 2>arranging a ride from seeing one of the johns. So,

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:38.959
<v Speaker 2>because all the phones were tapped and recorded, Tony like

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 2>heard the whole call and then the phone flew over

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 2>and so he was hearing the whole attack happen. And

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:47.120
<v Speaker 2>he is a good investigator, I think, and does care.

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, I knew I had to do something.

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 2>It went bad. Fan hates this fucking pimp and is like,

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.280
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe he wouldn't even help his own girl out,

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Like this is scum. We get the name of the pamp,

0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Shaw. So they enter Eddie's office and he lies

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 2>about being a pimp. But what are you gonna do? Yes,

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm a pimp officer. No, So he said, they're smart

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 2>and respectable and it's all about companionship, and they threaten

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 2>him with everything. They're like, we're gonna get I NS on,

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you irs, vice everything. So he agrees to talk pretty quickly,

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:18.439
<v Speaker 2>so we find out her name.

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Her name is Melody Quinn.

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.959
<v Speaker 2>And then they also go to arrest him, and then

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 2>they also want a list of all the clients. So

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Stabler approaches one of the clients who's entering a cab

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 2>and is just like, were you screwing this woman last night?

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 2>And then we're talking to an old man and now

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.880
<v Speaker 2>a business guy. You know, it's just like we're going

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:39.360
<v Speaker 2>through a mirage of John's and they all had sex

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 2>with her, but none of them have a sports car.

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Well enough, you could say a mirage of John's, which

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 3>I love. I think you meant a collage. But mirage

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 3>of John's is great too, like a mirage that disappears

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.400
<v Speaker 3>in the in the in the desert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm okay with what I said.

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so so they all but they all say that

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:01.359
<v Speaker 2>they you know, they did not hit her, and you know,

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.719
<v Speaker 2>they're like, where was she? They're you know, they're just

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 2>so then now that we've met all these clients and

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 2>there's all this sex it's like, well she raped or

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.119
<v Speaker 2>is this just workges And so they have to figure

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:16.159
<v Speaker 2>that out, and for some wild reason, Kathy drops Dickie.

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Off at the office, like because he's a twin.

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 2>So if Dickie had some sort of off day at school,

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:24.160
<v Speaker 2>so would his twin.

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Elizabeth had piano. I guess, I don't know.

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 1>We never know anything about Elizabeth, so I don't know

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 1>what she's doing. Maybe they don't.

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 2>And Kathy was so fed up it's like, just take Dickie.

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm out of here, like I I don't I don't

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 2>get And then he's like fully looking at the crime

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 2>scene photos. It's just the bloodiest crime scene of this woman.

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.879
<v Speaker 2>Dickie's there, no wonder he went nuts, you know what

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, being open to all of this, just looking

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 2>at a bloody woman. But he's asking questions about the case.

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 2>It's a real you know, follow your dad to work day.

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 2>But the kid's about to actually crack the case with

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 2>all these all these questions because he guesses that this

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 2>is all based on a video game called Intensity spelled

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 2>nten City.

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>So as like C I T Y in ten CIT.

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Which I didn't notice until this viewing because I had

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 3>my captions on, but normally I never I've been hearing

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 3>about intensity for years.

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Through this episode, I never knew was spelled like that, but.

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 2>I know it's uh, it is silly. Intense City is silly.

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.399
<v Speaker 2>I wrote ha haha afterwards because I did like the

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>spell it. So it's a Grand Theft auto style game

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>and Dicky goes like everyone plays it. Sailor is not

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 2>happy watching his son play, but the Sun's like beating

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:46.719
<v Speaker 2>the game and he's beating the shit out of this

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>woman and he robs her, and Craigan turns off the

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.439
<v Speaker 2>game and is like, fuck, I guess somebody's playing the

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 2>game for real. So obviously we need Bed Wong on

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the case immediately, you know, he comes talks and obviously

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 2>that you're gonna have ethical talk about fucking video games

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>and violence and effects on people. And it's the classic

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 2>Marilyn Manson Columbine chat that's been I think going on

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>for ever. Rock and Roll, Elvis the Devil, I mean,

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 2>you've been blaming stuff besides their bad parenting and religion

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 2>for I don't know how long. I want to know

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 2>when this kind of vibe started. Were they like Mozart's

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 2>driving the youth mad, Like, I want to know, when,

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, do they need TVs to start blaming people?

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Were they blaming the gester, the gesters, the court gesters?

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 2>So silly?

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 3>But when did we start blaming entertainment for kids for

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 3>people's behavior?

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Ye?

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I interesting, Yeah, I want to know.

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 2>So if you're if that was by chance, you're you know,

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 2>senior thesis, let us know.

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>And then we find and then.

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, the purp can be from ten to

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 2>fifty years old, really helpful. But I don't think a

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>ten year old could you know, drive a car and

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 2>do all this stuff be obviously I'm thinking about the

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 2>little kid from the Little Kid from Trials.

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 3>He obviously does drive a car, but I don't think

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 3>he's doing.

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>The rest of it.

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I don't think he could you know,

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 2>stomp a woman like this. Bad guesses though that whoever

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 2>did this probably wants to brag about it because he's

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>such a dork. So it's like, let's, you know, find

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 2>out like the game company, the message boards, the whatever,

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna like get to the bottom of a bit.

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 2>So we go to tech Top Games and that's spelled

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>different than you're thinking too. It's t e K top

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 2>so and they can't even spell a full tech out there.

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 2>That's like what hip companies are. They're like, let's just

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>spell something wrong and then that means we're inventive.

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh.

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.239
<v Speaker 2>So, like they go to visit this dork and this

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 2>guy was actually married to Christina hen Henderson Hendrix for Hendrix.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, so he was married to her for a while.

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 3>He's brother in law's with He was a brother in

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 3>law's with I know he is brother in laws with

0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Anthony and Tammanik. Like his is married to Anthony and Timmanick. Yeah,

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 3>oh exciting.

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>So so he's the dork in charge of this company

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, oh not again. When he hears about

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>the crime, he goes, come on, the games are fun cartoons,

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 2>you know. If some couple of idiots take it too far,

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 2>that's not on us. And Phil and Finn is like,

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 2>well look at the look at the crime scene photos

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 2>and then he kind of chuckles and it's like, what's

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>so fucking funny, dork, and he says them lighten up,

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>and then he goes, this sequence is actually an Easter drag,

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 2>a hidden treat, and you have to be a good player,

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 2>but not anymore because of all the internet. You know,

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 2>you can read it off any fan sites, so anyone

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 2>can get to the East drags. So we got to

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>hit up these fan sites like see who's bragging about

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 2>doing this? Monch stays to play the game and like

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>figure things out while Finn runs to meet Stabler at

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the Emmy's office. She sadly died from a subdual hematoba,

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 2>but she suffered before she died.

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I wrote, but it should be like,

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 1>but she didn't suffer.

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, and and would have been fine, but

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 4>it's like, but don't worry, guys, she suffered slowly before

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 4>she died.

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't, Oh my god. Forty two points of impact,

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 2>like what the fuck? And the kicking and stomping is

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a man shoe size nine, but the puncture wounds were

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a puzzle to her.

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 1>But it's a heel. It's a fucking heel.

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 2>And then Melinda takes off a stiletto and goes a

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 2>woman fucking stomps on her, and Melinda goes, I usually

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>don't wear this, but I have an Emmy's dinner tonight, babe.

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>You could change after work. You're wearing scrubs and the

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>heels all day to go to the dinner. That is

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:41.959
<v Speaker 2>the most unbelievable thing s you has done. Besides you know,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>zoom in on a photo.

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>She looks good though they wanted to give us Melinda

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>looking hot for like, you know, the eyeshadow.

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I get the eyeshadow, I get even the outfit, but

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 2>like you could be wearing seekers under your medicat like

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 2>it is no one would wear the heels all day

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>that you're gonna get hire to the party all day.

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I got to maybe good, Yeah, you're right, you're right.

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 2>And then like you know, she got some new evidence

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 2>last minute or something.

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Now you can't be weighing spleens and shitto in stilettos

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 3>all day.

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, it's just so cool we talk

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:16.320
<v Speaker 2>to her like to know, like what organs they used

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.959
<v Speaker 2>for that scene. And this is actually one of her

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 2>most famous scenes. So this is really exciting.

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh not yet. Later in the episode of My Bad

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I teased too far.

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, I wrote like eight paragraphs of like she would

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>not be wearing the heel, but like we have this

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>whole conversation, you know, recorded by the authorities. So we

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>have the tape, but we don't really hear a woman.

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 2>So Joel de la Fuente aka Morales, a Taru friend

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 2>of the pod. You know, it's going to take other

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 2>noises away and see if we can find the woman.

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 1>And we do hear a woman.

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and with a woman goes take her jacket, bitch, So.

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Munch has something.

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>So back at the video game headquarters, they realize that

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a fan created their own scene that you can download

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>off the internet.

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>But they said off the net. And I want everyone

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>to know that.

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I also haven't watched the Sandra Bullock movie the Net

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>for a while, and I feel like I wonder how

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 2>funny it is now like she's carrying around a floppy disk.

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've never seen it. I gotta watch it. I

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 3>definitely I have. Okay, anyways, sorry, I got wistful for

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 3>some reason about old timey Sandra Bullock.

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, so this download first appeared late last night,

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and the tech dork is like the only guy that

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>could do this. I know exactly who it is. It's

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Stu Davis. He was a programmer here. He used to

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>work here, but we had to fire him because he

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 2>put like sneaky bunnies that were fucking like bunny rabbits

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 2>into children's games. So he's a little bit of a

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 2>pervert and they had to let him go, but they

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 2>kept him on as a tester. He just can't doesn't

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>have control, and he's such a dork every I mean,

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>he's denying everything, but there's a warrant, so they're gonna

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 2>like fucking take everything they want, giant glasses. He has

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>a frizzy bob like he's probably gonna play Bill Gates

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 2>in a biopic or something. This is just like the

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 2>perfect guy to put fucking rabbits in a kid's video game.

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 2>So in the waste basket, just like the only thing

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 2>in it is the newspaper opened to an article about

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 2>the crime that just happened. He's like, listen, I got

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>an email requesting to make this scene. I do it

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 2>for money. I just I make what people tell me.

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm a dork. I'm a dork for cash. And we're like, well,

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.760
<v Speaker 2>who sent the email? You know, guns up, we gotta

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 2>go get this guy who sent the email, who requested

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 2>this scene to be made programmed of the crime that

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>we just saw. So we're like guns up going to

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the person who like sent the email to make this

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>video game. So then Finn grabs a framed photo and

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:54.839
<v Speaker 2>right away is just like, this is rue, dude, this

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 2>is the guy and it's like or his cousin or

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 2>friend or brother or friend from college, like or a

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 2>frame he stole from a party when he was blacked out,

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.759
<v Speaker 2>like to assume the one framed thing is of the

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>person who lives there. Is the guy is so is

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:16.800
<v Speaker 2>so thin stabler in this mess of an apartment, like melodies,

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 2>driver's license purse is just right in the middle in

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 2>the garage is a black sports car covered in skin

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 2>and blood, and we get you know, o'haller and gets

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.399
<v Speaker 2>a call and they found the guy and the guy

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.799
<v Speaker 2>was actually run over and beaten to death too. So

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the suspect is now dead in the street, massive head trauma,

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>but not murdered. He just jumped and he hit his

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 2>brain on the dumpster edgeH oh god. No evidence of

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a push, no defensive wounds, and he was four times

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 2>the legal limit of drunk. His you know, but his

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 2>car was used. It was his car with all the

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 2>fragments and skin and everything. But the shoe size doesn't

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 2>match he was a shoe size eleven and the stomping

0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 2>happened with a shoe size nine. We get a classic

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Melinda moment. She uses a flashlight and there's glitter all

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>over his crotch and she goes, this is booty dust,

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 2>my favorite booty dust. So she goes, he had one

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 2>last lap dance before the plunge, So let's go visit

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:15.359
<v Speaker 2>the strip clubs.

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>That's what you gotta do. So we go find the dancers.

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 2>They're outside hanging out and one of them was actually

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>the receptionist in the episode Sugar, so if you remember us, this.

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Is her baby.

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Both of them remember this guy. They're like, oh, yeah,

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>this sad dude. His friend tried to cheer him up.

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 2>The friend was hot, they said, and then they kept

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>ordering dom so they were drinking really expensive shit, getting wasted,

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, listen, you got to come in and

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 2>do a sketch artist thing for us. So they go

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 2>do that, and now there's like a lot of dorks

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 2>names young voices brainstorming. They're all trying to figure out

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 2>all these ideas are being thrown around, maybe like the

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 2>youth main killers use the video game losers, but also

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.439
<v Speaker 2>it seems like this dead guy wanted to be caught,

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.720
<v Speaker 2>was just everywhere, and you know, maybe he felt guilty

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>or something. But Finn gets off the phone. The crime

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>lab brand tests on car residue and they're also listening

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 2>to the tape and counting the steps in which door

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 2>people came out of. I mean, a lot of good

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 2>police work happening here. And you know, so now we

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>know this Larry Tober guy, he's dead, but there are

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 2>two other people. So who are these other people? Munch

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>says that Taber got a bunch of calls from a

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:30.319
<v Speaker 2>cell phone belonging to someone named Luis Karnaki. She's only

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:32.799
<v Speaker 2>seventeen years old, so we gotta go.

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>We have her in cement room bars.

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>She goes, Larry's a loser and she doesn't like hanging

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:40.360
<v Speaker 2>out with him anymore. She doesn't have an answer for

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 2>all the calls she made. She's like, I don't fucking know,

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>but she's a very bad actress. And she pretends to

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.840
<v Speaker 2>like care be surprised by his death. That's not really working.

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Stabler walks in with a high heeled shoe and goes,

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 2>this yours bitch, and they go yeah. She says yeah,

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.319
<v Speaker 2>they are, and they tell her about search warrants and

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:58.879
<v Speaker 2>the blue light and they blue light the boots and wow,

0:37:58.920 --> 0:37:59.800
<v Speaker 2>it is shining.

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, I don't know what that is.

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.759
<v Speaker 2>But her voice seems worried, and they bring up They're like,

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a DNA match. All this shit on

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>this boot is gonna like match with the DNA from

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:11.760
<v Speaker 2>the body and the car and everything, and you're fucking done.

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 2>She's scared. Once the murder charge is brought up, like

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 2>they're like, you're going down, she turns to her lawyer

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and goes, you have to help me.

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>So then her lawyer goes, I need an ada.

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Novak walks in right in the nick of time, and

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.840
<v Speaker 2>he says if she cooperates, what does she get And

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Novak's like, uh, nothing, she's a murderer. And she goes, listen,

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 2>I did the attacking, and but then throws Larry under

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 2>the bus immediately and says, nobody else was there, just

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>me and Larry.

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Larry did everything.

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Novak then puts the strippers sketch onto the table and

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 2>goes not even him. She's worried. She's taken aback by

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 2>the sketch. The guy looks like a deranged ken doll.

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 2>She starts to cry. Her eyebrows are furrowed.

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 3>She then she does remind me a little bit of

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Shorty of Smarty Coulottes from Abaca.

0:38:55.800 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>A little bit. I'm getting this hat. It's vibe, little

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 1>sharp angle lar face.

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Also side note, Lisa, the track team of the high

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 3>school that I live near is working hard and they

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 3>are practicing right outside of where I am recording. So

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 3>if you hear young teen boys screaming at each other

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 3>to run faster, that is what's happening.

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 1>Lol. Love it.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.439
<v Speaker 3>But they have like a whole stadio. Like, why are

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 3>they in your alley because it goes uphill. I think

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 3>they have to like run up hills and stuff. I guess,

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:28.919
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. They're just in the alley really going

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 3>to town.

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Now, I know, La, it's really hard to find a hill, Okay,

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You do have a nice, Sally, You

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:40.279
<v Speaker 2>do have a nice So you know, she's scared of

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 2>whatever the drawing is of this dranged guy, and she goes,

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>don't tell him, don't tell him. I just said anything,

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Please don't tell him. So this guy's name is Garrett Pearl.

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>And when they go to arrest him, he is playing

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 2>on his computer. Call him as a cucumber. He's like, hey, guys,

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:57.320
<v Speaker 2>what's up? As the police raight in, He's not worried.

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 2>He's playing his games. He's deleting files, stay or rips

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>them up from the chair. Temper temper, he says, And

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 2>then he goes, anyway, whom am I meant to have murdered?

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:13.879
<v Speaker 1>So you know, he's annoying, And then you know they.

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 2>They're like melody Quinn and he goes, it doesn't ring

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 2>a bell and then fuck, oh no. One of the

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 2>science cops are carrying the computer out of the room

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and the other one's like fuck. And then we hear

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 2>status like status, we hear static, weird noises, and then

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 2>the hottie dork smiles and the science cop goes, it

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:37.239
<v Speaker 2>was a degaussing loop, a degassing loop. Listen, you got

0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 2>to make your best assumption. But it's it's a powerful

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 2>magnetic strip and it wiped the whole drive.

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>And that's why he's been so smug.

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 2>He knew the moment that they walked out with the

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:49.919
<v Speaker 2>hard drive, it would all be this.

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 3>Is the kind of stuff that I love learning about

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 3>on U s few like I have always heard of these.

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 3>I think about them all the time now when they

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 3>go into different pedophiles houses and they're seizing comput I'm like, oh,

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 3>be careful. I hope he doesn't have one of those

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 3>rings that erases everything, like I this episode season six,

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:07.720
<v Speaker 3>and I think about it all the time in future

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 3>episodes because who knew about this? Who knew that there

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 3>was like some kind of special loop you could get

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 3>that anytime someone passes it, it just wipes everything clean.

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 2>They're educating, Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. The perverse

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 2>pedophiles criminals. They're always pushing, pushing the edge of technology

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 2>and it is incredible little go getters. So we're in

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 2>cement room bars obviously Finn and Stabler are there. They

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 2>show him the crime photos. He acts like it's so awful,

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't know, and then he sees Stabler's marine tattoo

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 2>and he tries bonding, and then to Finny just goes,

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 2>were you a gangbanger before you were a cop? So

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 2>this kid is you know, microaggression. But also Finn does

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 2>look crazy. He's wearing like a dark red gothic style

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>button down and three of the buttons are on button.

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 2>He looks like a vampire gangster for sure. And he's like,

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 2>damn cool, you guys have killed people. I want to

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 2>know what it's like to kill people. How does it feel?

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I only do it in the game. I've killed hundreds

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.280
<v Speaker 2>in the game. But you guys, you did it for real.

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, we know you did it for real too,

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 2>so stop. And he's like, you know, I oh, it

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 2>seems like he would be friends with Michael Pitt's character.

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 2>We haven't done that episode on the show. Yeah, but

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I think these two would be sexy little friend. They're

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.840
<v Speaker 2>like murdered by the numbers energy, which is also yes.

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, but this guy has like the flat affect

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:38.320
<v Speaker 3>that just like, oh, nothing bothers me, like like cocky, smug, gross,

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 3>like I he like makes my skin crawl, this character.

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>And he's a rich kid too, you know, yeah, getting

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Don Perry on at the fucking strip. Yeah, a stabler

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 2>then goes but you won't know because you're gutless. You

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>couldn't even face her. You had to use a car

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 2>to knock down a woman. And they're just like making

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>him feel like shit, and then they're like you snuck

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 2>behind her to kick her. He scoffs, and Stablor goes,

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:05.800
<v Speaker 2>you're just this scared little punk. And so then Stabler

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:07.600
<v Speaker 2>like forces him up out of the chair and then

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of shoves them around with just his body, no arms,

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of like like shoulder shimming him against a wall.

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and their noses like almost touch, like he is

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 3>so close talking him here, like I swear to god,

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 3>their noses have like a second of contact.

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 2>And you got to like and then he goes, you know,

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 2>you got to stare them in the eyes. That's how

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I like it, so you could smell their fear. And

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the hot Doric is like stop, and Stabler says, we

0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 2>don't even need this little freak. We have a witness.

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.319
<v Speaker 2>And then the hatty goes, well she's lying, and they're like, well,

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 2>how do you know what she said?

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Huh?

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 2>And he goes, listen, it was Larry Tabbar And then

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 2>we play the call and this guy is like shocked

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the call even like exists. Suddenly the smugness relaxes on

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 2>his face and now Elliott has the smug smile and

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 2>the guy goes, how did you get that? And then

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.200
<v Speaker 2>he starts screaming like it's Larry's fault.

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 1>He made me do it. Larry made me do it.

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 2>And right in the nick of time, we got a

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Barry Bostwick aka Oliver Gates walks in. Novak and Stalelor

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 2>have a little chat. When Oliver pops out quick, he's

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna go with the mental disease or defect defense. Obviously

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the video games made him do it. Classic And you know,

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Larry is also an older man who got this hot

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 2>young guy drunk, got him addicted to games, made him

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 2>play for real. But you know, this guy the hot,

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:28.919
<v Speaker 2>he had no idea what he was doing. He didn't

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>know the difference between reeal or fake. He's in a haze.

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.240
<v Speaker 2>But we'll see what the court decides. Right So, Novak

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 2>and Craigan are talking like, ugh, video game stuff. You know,

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a hot issue right now, maybe it'll get the jury.

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 1>What are we gonna do?

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 2>But also, all of a sudden, the girl goes from

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>having a public defender to a really good lawyer. And

0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 2>that's because Garrett's family paid for it. So this is

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:54.919
<v Speaker 2>a rich little kid plays video games with those little

0:44:54.960 --> 0:45:00.960
<v Speaker 2>magnetic strips all day long, and a master manipulator. Very

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Beverly Hills Housewives, and so we do have an issue.

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:06.479
<v Speaker 1>So even though we.

0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 2>Like scared the guy with the tape and like we

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.800
<v Speaker 2>have the whole attack on camp at recorded, we can't

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 2>use the tape.

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:13.959
<v Speaker 1>We can't use it in trial.

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:18.239
<v Speaker 2>It's only evidence like for the state, So we need

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 2>actual evidence that they can use. So they have Larry

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 2>in the video games, but that's it, and no one

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.239
<v Speaker 2>will let them have the tape, like I said, So

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 2>they go to fight with the government, and the government

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 2>guy is from Sex and the City. He's the guy

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 2>that owned the nightclub. His name is William and with

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Samantha kept being like we will do this and will

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:41.720
<v Speaker 2>go here, and will go here, and then like ditches

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.280
<v Speaker 2>her and stands her up and then the server kisses

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 2>her or whatever. So that's that episode. Novak is pissed.

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:51.919
<v Speaker 2>But we knew this going in that this wasn't gonna

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 2>be evidence we can have. You know, the guy is

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.360
<v Speaker 2>not only a pimp but a terrorist, so it is

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:56.839
<v Speaker 2>what it is.

0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>So they need.

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Evidence to like figure this out since they can can't

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 2>use the tape, and Bedie Wong's like, okay, I'll go

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 2>play some site games with these guys and see if

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:07.239
<v Speaker 2>it's innocent pawnds or they're cold blooded liars. So we

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 2>do a little back and forth for you know, they're

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.440
<v Speaker 2>both in orange jumpsuits, which I love, the girl and

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>sexy guy. And the girl says she plays five to

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 2>six hours a day. The most she's ever played is

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 2>eighteen hours. The guy, he's just like kind of smart

0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and smarty, so he's giving every answer that Huang wants,

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, like he's he's playing the game. And they're

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 2>both turning it all on Larry. And the girl is

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 2>so in love with Garrett and she's like, yeah, we

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:32.840
<v Speaker 2>have sex, like he's crazy about me.

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 1>We're in love. And then it cuts to him going,

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:36.840
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I've you know, I've.

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 2>Had better sex, Like I don't really like her, and

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:42.800
<v Speaker 2>so this is very Bravo style editing. So shady Bedie

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Wong comes out into Stablers like this manipulative little prick.

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, oh, they fucking killed Larry. Now I

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 2>think that they got him drunk, they you know, made

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>him do this. And they're like, well, what about Luis

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 2>And she goes, yeah, she's desperate and she's in love

0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 2>with him. So it doesn't matter. She'll do whatever he says.

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 2>And we think this guy fucking he did some shit.

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Ambadie Wong is like he's a narcissist and he knows

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 2>for sure the difference is seen right and wrong.

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.200
<v Speaker 1>He just doesn't care. Uh oh.

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Stabler is like asking questions about games and influence, probably

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 2>thinking about his own son.

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:16.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, what's Dicky up to?

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 2>And that then Gates walks in and he has an

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 2>emotion to submit Garrett for a neuropsych exam and he

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, this guy volunteered to do a pet scan

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 2>while he plays the computer game to prove brain stuff.

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 2>YadA YadA, bullshit, bullshit, and we're even letting Huang do

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the test so they can't claim bias. Later in court,

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Garrett is not stressed at all. He's excited to play.

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 2>He plays up to forty hours a week. Well yeah,

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:45.879
<v Speaker 2>he's daddy, pays the bills, of course he could play

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 2>forty hours a week. And then he starts playing this

0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:52.839
<v Speaker 2>blood game, right, so they're taking blood from him. He's

0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:56.759
<v Speaker 2>wearing a lot like an MIT thing, not MIT, what

0:47:56.840 --> 0:48:01.319
<v Speaker 2>is it called MRI. He's wearing MRI gear. He's in

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>this big machine and the brain is scans are coming

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 2>in bead Wong looks intense and dopaminees increased. But it's

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like that can't be a defense, are you kidding me?

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Like dopamine increases all the time. None of us are

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.360
<v Speaker 2>like running over women in the streets. I mean a

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of us are, but not not us right now,

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.319
<v Speaker 2>and we're filled with fucking dopamine. So now we're on

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:24.279
<v Speaker 2>the stand. It like cuts to Huang right on the jury,

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, telling the jury all his findings that this

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:30.399
<v Speaker 2>guy felt high and euphoric, and it's like he took

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a small dose of speed, and Casey's like, okay, so

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 2>did it make him less able to control his actions?

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 2>And Huang's like, absolutely not. To the contrary, He's enjoying

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 2>all of it. It's an enjoyable activity, and any enjoyable

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.840
<v Speaker 2>activity would increase dopamine, like sports or chess. And it's like, okay,

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 2>dork chess. That was your example on the stand.

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, when you get so fucking high playing chess.

0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh so funny, that's what he thinks is going to

0:48:57.520 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 3>relate to the jury.

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 2>So now it's Gates turning goes wow, dopamine, Okay, isn't

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 2>that what makes like cocaine and heroin addictive? So computer

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:07.640
<v Speaker 2>games are just like that, and Huang's like, no, nice try,

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.320
<v Speaker 2>But you know, Gates tries to do a little bullshit

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:13.240
<v Speaker 2>dancing to try to fuck up Huang.

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:15.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's doing lots of stuff.

0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>He's comparing the life of a military like military violence

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:21.879
<v Speaker 2>to a cartoon game, and Huang's like, that's stupid. War

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.439
<v Speaker 2>and video games do not affect the person the same.

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:27.319
<v Speaker 2>And now Gates is yelling and trying to like make

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:29.879
<v Speaker 2>it the game made him do it, but no one

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 2>is buying it. So during this, Garrett's still in the

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:36.560
<v Speaker 2>defense table and he stares down Casey and now he's

0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:39.040
<v Speaker 2>on the stand doing his own little tap dance. He's like,

0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I regret it all. I'll never forgive myself. I'm so sad.

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.799
<v Speaker 2>They keep cutting to the girl and she's I don't

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 2>know what she's doing, but she's sitting there and Novak's

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:52.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna go at him now, and Novak goes, so you

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>thought this screaming and kicking, you really thought that was

0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 2>a game, Like, we don't buy it.

0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:58.760
<v Speaker 1>How did you not know that was a real woman?

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 2>And he's crying being like, I didn't know what was real,

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:05.319
<v Speaker 2>what was everything was so confusing the streets people, it's

0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 2>from the game. And you know the girl had a

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 2>short skirt. Larry said, get her, get the hooker. And

0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:16.799
<v Speaker 2>then he starts screaming like impersonating Larry, being like, go

0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 2>hit her, hit her, hit her, and he's while he's

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.240
<v Speaker 2>talking with his hands, he's miming playing the video game.

0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 2>He's tearing up. I wonder how often he practiced this,

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:28.920
<v Speaker 2>and then Novak goes, oh, so you always do what

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Larry says. He goes, I wish I was brave enough

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.480
<v Speaker 2>to stand up to him, but I wasn't. I'm sorry.

0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:40.400
<v Speaker 2>And we've see in little psychopaths that pretend the bullied

0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:43.319
<v Speaker 2>is the bullier, you know what I mean. We saw

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:49.600
<v Speaker 2>it in Conscience, we saw Injustice and Novak. I believe

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 2>in her. But Novak does seem shaken. She does she

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't have anything. She's shuffling papers around, and in

0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the nick of times, Stable and Finn walk in. I

0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:01.920
<v Speaker 2>am sure with new evidence, and the judge is actually tired.

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I think he has tickets to a Broadway show. He goes, hey, hey, guys,

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm done. Let's resume tomorrow. So she like zips to

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.480
<v Speaker 2>the guys so fast she runs on over and she's like,

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I am being killed here.

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 1>What do you have? Which I think is insensitive when

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a murder trial.

0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 2>And and it's funny because this isn't even a sex

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 2>crime for them to be involved in like she is.

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't like a sex worker and covered in jizz,

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:27.879
<v Speaker 2>but it was consensual.

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Come you know what I mean? Like, like the fact that.

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 2>It has to be usive in this case is pretty funny. Yeah,

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:37.399
<v Speaker 2>not funny, not funny, but yeah, but you know they're

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:38.879
<v Speaker 2>better at it, so maybe thank god.

0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:41.360
<v Speaker 1>So now we have Tawber's computer.

0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Taru found a bunch of stuff with encrypted codes. But

0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 2>they're getting closer and closer, and they found out that

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:51.560
<v Speaker 2>there was something sent to Larry two hours before he

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 2>jumped off that roof, and we need to find out

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:55.720
<v Speaker 2>what it was. And so they go to the little

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 2>creep with the bunny rabbits, you know, the fuzzy hair man,

0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and he screamed, I have nothing to do with this,

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:05.120
<v Speaker 2>and Novak's like, listen, once we encrypt this email that

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:07.719
<v Speaker 2>you sent, we know you sent it two hours before

0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:08.160
<v Speaker 2>his death.

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Your toast so speak now. So he's like, oh fine.

0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:17.720
<v Speaker 2>So he starts typing around getting everything back and unencrypting stuff,

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:20.240
<v Speaker 2>and he's so annoyed. He's like, I didn't know anyone

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 2>would get hurt. Like he said, it was going to

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.840
<v Speaker 2>be just a joke. I'm a programmer, I'm not a killer.

0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:28.799
<v Speaker 2>So the email video like pops up and it's very

0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:32.480
<v Speaker 2>scott fully episode. What was that one called fucked up

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:40.880
<v Speaker 2>hammered hammered? Yeah, synonyms synonyms. So then so it's like

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:44.520
<v Speaker 2>video game footage, but it's using Larry's real face on

0:52:44.560 --> 0:52:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the video game body doing the entire crime to the

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 2>woman on the street. And then the voiceover is like,

0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:51.799
<v Speaker 2>the cops are gonna get you.

0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:52.359
<v Speaker 1>You did this.

0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:55.920
<v Speaker 2>You can't hide Larry aw Larry, and so it's like,

0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:58.239
<v Speaker 2>if this is the guy that's in charge, why would

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:01.360
<v Speaker 2>he be the one being taunted. So now we're in court.

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:05.279
<v Speaker 2>We watched it and yeah, it's fucking Larry, dude, you

0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 2>did this.

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:06.839
<v Speaker 1>So who's scared of who?

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:10.200
<v Speaker 2>And we have evidence that you gave the programmer one

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars to Stu Davis to do this little computer thing,

0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:16.880
<v Speaker 2>and the signature on the check this is old school,

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:17.719
<v Speaker 2>is Garrett's.

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 1>So we have the check. You paid this man to

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:20.400
<v Speaker 1>do it.

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:24.480
<v Speaker 2>You sent this message and you know, like you're saying

0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:25.960
<v Speaker 2>you didn't know what was real or not. But then

0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you had all this admin, you did all this admin,

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:30.359
<v Speaker 2>you did chores, you did a to do list of

0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:34.680
<v Speaker 2>little activities. So they're like, you wanted to push him

0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:37.520
<v Speaker 2>over the edge? Is that why you sent it? And

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Garrett's like it was a joke, and they're like, oh, really,

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 2>so kicking a woman to death is a game? And

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 2>now you know, coursing someone to jump off a roof

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 2>as a joke, fuck you? And she's like, you were

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 2>scared Larry was going to go to the police, and

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 2>so you prayed on him until he took his own life.

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 2>And Novak is screaming, she's a star, and then she

0:53:57.719 --> 0:53:59.960
<v Speaker 2>goes and you put LMAO at the end of the video.

0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:05.600
<v Speaker 2>What does LMAO mean? And then yes, so laugh my

0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:08.879
<v Speaker 2>ass off, you know, yes to admit it. So then

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like Larry's dead, Melody's dead, and you're laughing your

0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:13.080
<v Speaker 2>ass off.

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 1>And that sets him off. You're rolling on the floor laughing.

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.160
<v Speaker 2>And then he goes off his like nice sky routine.

0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Everything he's trying to do to not be on the

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:28.719
<v Speaker 2>hook for this job all drops. He gets in Novak's

0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:32.000
<v Speaker 2>face angrily and goes, you bet I am, and so

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 2>that's not good. He basically said he's laughing at the deaths,

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 2>and then he goes, because you're a joke and this

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 2>whole damn thing is a joke. And they stare at

0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:43.160
<v Speaker 2>each other for a while and she says nothing further.

0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:47.880
<v Speaker 2>So then Gates is actually it's we jump to closing arguments,

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and Gates is doing a really bad job. Like you

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:52.399
<v Speaker 2>could tell he doesn't believe in it. It's not even

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:54.719
<v Speaker 2>worth the money of these video games. He's just like

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the video games made him do it. He's reading, he

0:54:57.880 --> 0:55:01.400
<v Speaker 2>has his glasses on, he does he's he knows he's lost.

0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty incredible acting because he's still trying, but you

0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 2>could tell he doesn't believe it in his heart and

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:08.719
<v Speaker 2>he hates this guy, like I just like loved this

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:09.279
<v Speaker 2>so much.

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:12.319
<v Speaker 1>And then Novak kills it. She kills it.

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 2>In her closing argument. She's like, fuck these kids, they're bad.

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 2>They knew what was up. And the girl is having

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:19.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of feelings because obviously she's about to go

0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 2>to jail for a man like we say, don't do it,

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and just like yeah, they're they're both whatever. The jury

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 2>guy he talks, he goes, defendant is guilty, the girl

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 2>is also guilty. She cries, they're both remanded. Garrett looks

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.360
<v Speaker 2>at her with disgust and goes, oh, shut up, and

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:40.480
<v Speaker 2>then he goes, bang, bang, you're dead. And then they

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.880
<v Speaker 2>drag the crying girl out, and Garrett's laughing and goes,

0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 2>game over, you won to Novak And now Dicky's at

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.319
<v Speaker 2>the table he's playing a handheld games. Stabler you know,

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:54.200
<v Speaker 2>is like you come, don't play the game, and he's

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:56.440
<v Speaker 2>just hockey, So a hockey game he went to school.

0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Leave the kid alone. It's like anytimes Stabler decides to

0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:01.960
<v Speaker 2>be a parent, everyone has to drop everything that they're

0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:04.440
<v Speaker 2>doing and suddenly run around this man who gives them

0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 2>no attention.

0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, eat food, stop playing video games, leave them alone.

0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:11.800
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, come on, let's play cards or scrabble,

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:14.520
<v Speaker 2>and they don't want to do that, and Dickie's like

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:15.719
<v Speaker 2>do you even want to play that?

0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Like what do you? Shut up?

0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:20.200
<v Speaker 2>And then Stabler goes, how about we talk and Dickie goes, okay,

0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:22.919
<v Speaker 2>let's talk, and then it's silent because Stabler has nothing

0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:26.360
<v Speaker 2>to say. And then that's like I said, let the

0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.520
<v Speaker 2>kid play the hockey handheld game. He's had a tough

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.319
<v Speaker 2>day and he just looked at a dying woman. Helped

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.800
<v Speaker 2>you crack the case. There wouldn't even be a murder

0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 2>trial if it wasn't for this kid. I don't think

0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:38.560
<v Speaker 2>they would have played together. They couldn't have done it

0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 2>without Dickie. And now he can't even unwind after a

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:43.960
<v Speaker 2>long day at the office. No, that's dick wolf baby,

0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 2>And yeah it's I don't it's not a classic episode,

0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:49.000
<v Speaker 2>but there's twists.

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:56:49.560 --> 0:56:51.160
<v Speaker 2>It's so wild that you've watched this one a lot.

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:52.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like such a blind spot for me.

0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:55.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like, I don't it's not like a favor anything.

0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 3>It's just I've seen it so many times. Like I

0:56:57.640 --> 0:57:00.840
<v Speaker 3>remember his voice going sorry, she's play with us now

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:03.480
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, Like I remember all these things from it,

0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 3>and like Dicky being there and being like, yeah, it's

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 3>like this, and like playing it for them and everything, Like,

0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:12.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's got some classic elements, but let's

0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:16.240
<v Speaker 3>get into the true crime of it all, shall we?

0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:27.760
<v Speaker 3>The interesting thing is that six seasons later, in season twelve,

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.480
<v Speaker 3>they did do in the episode Bullseye, which we've covered,

0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:34.920
<v Speaker 3>they had that couple that plays video games so much

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 3>that they literally leave their daughter starving. Remember, and then

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.560
<v Speaker 3>we like researched the case in Korea or those people

0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:45.439
<v Speaker 3>like so like show definitely like loves to talk about

0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:48.720
<v Speaker 3>the video games of it all and everything. But it

0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:54.280
<v Speaker 3>is interesting because this case happened right before the episode

0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:55.160
<v Speaker 3>was made.

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Devin Moore was eighteen year.

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Old living in Alabama in June of two thousand and three,

0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 3>so like two years before this episode came out, less

0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:11.160
<v Speaker 3>and year post nine to eleven if you were wondering, Yeah, yeah, yes,

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 3>our usual countdown placing things in time against nine to eleven.

0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.479
<v Speaker 3>So we're all just sort of getting our heads dropped

0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 3>around nine to eleven. It's that summer. He's just graduated

0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:21.440
<v Speaker 3>high school. He's set to join the Air Force at

0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.280
<v Speaker 3>the end of the summer. Random fact that's just in

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:27.320
<v Speaker 3>the information that his brother is Mookie Moore, a former

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:28.160
<v Speaker 3>NFL player.

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he was ever big, but he played

0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:30.680
<v Speaker 1>on a few.

0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Teams, but in the early morning hours of June seventh

0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:37.800
<v Speaker 3>of two thousand and three, More was brought in by

0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:40.920
<v Speaker 3>the police in this small town of Fayette, Alabama on

0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:45.320
<v Speaker 3>suspicion of car theft. So this kid had no record,

0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:47.440
<v Speaker 3>he had never been in trouble with the law. He

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:53.280
<v Speaker 3>is cooperating as an officer named Arnold Strickland is booking him. Suddenly,

0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:57.480
<v Speaker 3>out of nowhere, he grabs Strickland's forty caliber glock gun

0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 3>shoots him twice, one shot to the head. Another officer

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.800
<v Speaker 3>named James crump Here's the shots, comes running over. Moore

0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.439
<v Speaker 3>stops him in the hallway, shoots him three times, once

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:10.280
<v Speaker 3>in the head. Then he continues down the hall where

0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 3>he shoots a nine to one to one dispatcher named

0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:15.680
<v Speaker 3>Ace Meeler five times, once in the head. I think

0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:17.640
<v Speaker 3>that was kind of interesting that in the episode they

0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:19.920
<v Speaker 3>showed us a nine one one dispatcher like it was

0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:22.680
<v Speaker 3>they were never in danger and it's not the same thing.

0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:25.080
<v Speaker 3>But we don't always get nine one one dispatchers, so

0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:27.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It was just something that felt like

0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:31.480
<v Speaker 3>a match. And uh, then he grabbed the keys to

0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:33.840
<v Speaker 3>a cop car and he bounced. He killed three men

0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:36.120
<v Speaker 3>in less than a minute. This guy was just like

0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 3>boom boom boom boom boom boom, like just killed all

0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:42.080
<v Speaker 3>these guys so quickly. And if this sounds like an

0:59:42.160 --> 0:59:45.040
<v Speaker 3>action movie or a video game, it's because it basically is.

0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Moore had purchased Grand Theft Auto Vice City at the

0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:52.040
<v Speaker 3>age of seventeen and had been playing it NonStop four months.

0:59:52.920 --> 0:59:55.640
<v Speaker 3>At this time, Grand Theft Auto is hugely popular. I

0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:58.040
<v Speaker 3>mean you know that that's what intensity is based on

0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 3>his Grand Theft Auto. Whether or not they can say

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:03.360
<v Speaker 3>it or not, it definitely is. By two thousand and five,

1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:05.880
<v Speaker 3>it had sold more than thirty five million copies and

1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:09.120
<v Speaker 3>had worldwide sales of close to two billions. So the

1:00:09.520 --> 1:00:12.800
<v Speaker 3>game is popular when and for some reason. We know

1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.160
<v Speaker 3>a ton of comics who do voices on it, right,

1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Like I feel like I've known so many comedians that

1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:19.880
<v Speaker 3>do you do you know people they maybe just haven't

1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:22.000
<v Speaker 3>mentioned it to you, but like we have a mutual

1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:25.080
<v Speaker 3>I would say, for enemy, who's a voice in GTA,

1:00:25.280 --> 1:00:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Like lots of people have done voices in GTA weirdly,

1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:30.320
<v Speaker 3>but they'll just be like I think a girl at

1:00:30.320 --> 1:00:32.320
<v Speaker 3>a store that's like hey, and then like that's their

1:00:32.400 --> 1:00:33.200
<v Speaker 3>only line.

1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:37.360
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so when they caught Devin.

1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:40.120
<v Speaker 3>Moore, he's they get him quickly, he confesses quickly.

1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:41.760
<v Speaker 1>He said he killed the officers.

1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:43.120
<v Speaker 3>Because he didn't want to go to jail, and he

1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:46.080
<v Speaker 3>told authorities once he was caught. Quote, life is like

1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:50.960
<v Speaker 3>a video game. Everybody's got to die sometime. So not great.

1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:54.200
<v Speaker 3>The crime is exactly like a scene from GTA where

1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:57.960
<v Speaker 3>a quote unquote street thug enters a police precinct and

1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:00.520
<v Speaker 3>has to steal a uniform, free a convoy from jail,

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<v Speaker 3>and escape by shooting police officers.

1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:04.080
<v Speaker 1>And then he gets away in a squad car.

1:01:04.440 --> 1:01:06.919
<v Speaker 3>And I will also say, this man's mug shot, it's

1:01:06.960 --> 1:01:08.680
<v Speaker 3>like he's at a party. Like I've never seen a

1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:10.760
<v Speaker 3>mug shot like this. He is grinning ear to ear,

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.640
<v Speaker 3>he is smising. It is like a cheerful mug shot.

1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:17.120
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. H He went to trial in two thousand

1:01:17.120 --> 1:01:19.880
<v Speaker 3>and five. He pled not guilty, and the judge in

1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:23.160
<v Speaker 3>the case would not let the defense bring forth evidence

1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:27.000
<v Speaker 3>that grand theft auto had inspired his horrific crimes. Good

1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:31.720
<v Speaker 3>and I'm so proud of that judge and his lawyer,

1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:34.439
<v Speaker 3>Jim Standridge, tried to argue that he was suffering from

1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:37.160
<v Speaker 3>PTSD and that he suffered emotional and physical abuse as

1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:39.320
<v Speaker 3>a child at the hands of his father. He had

1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:41.600
<v Speaker 3>been in and out of foster homes. He had had

1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:44.440
<v Speaker 3>a really tough upbringing. But he was convicted and he

1:01:44.480 --> 1:01:46.840
<v Speaker 3>was sentenced to die by lethal injection. But he is

1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:49.080
<v Speaker 3>not dead. He is still on death row at Holman

1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Correctional Facility in Alabama.

1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:53.120
<v Speaker 1>And then in.

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<v Speaker 3>Two thousand and five, basically right as this episode is

1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:59.920
<v Speaker 3>coming out, there's a multimillion dollar lawsuit filed in our

1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Labama against Take two Interactive. So instead of Top Tech

1:02:03.360 --> 1:02:06.720
<v Speaker 3>or whatever it's called, it's Take two Interactive. The lawsuits

1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:09.240
<v Speaker 3>filed against Take two, the creators of Grand Theft Auto,

1:02:09.960 --> 1:02:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Sony Computer Entertainment America, Sony Corporation of America, Walmart, Game Stop,

1:02:14.280 --> 1:02:16.320
<v Speaker 3>and Devin Moore the shooter allegend.

1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:19.360
<v Speaker 1>And this is yeah, this is a lawsuit.

1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:23.920
<v Speaker 3>So it's civil under Alabama's Mack manufacturer's Liability and wrongful

1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Death statutes that Grand Theft Auto resulted in quote unquote

1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:29.680
<v Speaker 3>copycat violence that caused the deaths of these three victims,

1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:32.840
<v Speaker 3>and the suits sought damages against all the defendants in

1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:36.120
<v Speaker 3>excess of six hundred thousand dollars and the case is

1:02:36.160 --> 1:02:39.760
<v Speaker 3>called Strickland Versus Sony because Strickland was the name of

1:02:39.800 --> 1:02:42.080
<v Speaker 3>the officer who's gunny took and his family I think

1:02:42.200 --> 1:02:44.040
<v Speaker 3>was the first family to sign on, but eventually all

1:02:44.080 --> 1:02:47.080
<v Speaker 3>three families signed on to the lawsuit of the victims.

1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:51.880
<v Speaker 3>And this lawyer is named Jack Thompson, and he's a

1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:55.400
<v Speaker 3>lawyer and a video game violence crusader, like that's his thing,

1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:57.720
<v Speaker 3>and he brings the suit on behalf of Arnold Strickland's

1:02:57.720 --> 1:03:01.240
<v Speaker 3>family and then eventually the other families. And Thompson told

1:03:01.280 --> 1:03:03.840
<v Speaker 3>sixty minutes because they did a big sixty minutes did

1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:07.360
<v Speaker 3>a big report that is in my sources of you know,

1:03:07.480 --> 1:03:09.120
<v Speaker 3>like can video games.

1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Spawn this kind of violence?

1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:13.640
<v Speaker 3>And Thompson said, quote, what we're saying is that Devin

1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Moore was in effect trained to do what he did.

1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:18.920
<v Speaker 3>He was given a murder simulator, he bought it as

1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:21.480
<v Speaker 3>a minor. He played it hundreds of hours, which is

1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:25.120
<v Speaker 3>primarily a cop killing game. It's our theory that but

1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:27.240
<v Speaker 3>for the video game training, he would not have done

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<v Speaker 3>what he did.

1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:29.960
<v Speaker 1>And sixty minutes also, they can't.

1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:33.240
<v Speaker 2>I just don't like that they call playing video games training,

1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Like it's not training, you know what I mean?

1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's true, but let me this is like what

1:03:40.440 --> 1:03:42.960
<v Speaker 3>So they also spoke to David Walsh, a child psychologist

1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:46.840
<v Speaker 3>who authored co authored a study about violent video games

1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:49.720
<v Speaker 3>and physical aggression, and he he talks about a lot

1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:51.760
<v Speaker 3>of the stuff that I feel like I'm reading about

1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:53.880
<v Speaker 3>right now when it comes to cell phones with kids,

1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:57.560
<v Speaker 3>is like the teenage brain is not fully developed. What

1:03:57.880 --> 1:04:01.440
<v Speaker 3>David Walsh told sixty Minutes was, quote, the impulse control

1:04:01.520 --> 1:04:03.160
<v Speaker 3>center of the brain, the part of the brain that

1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:07.200
<v Speaker 3>enables us to think ahead, consider consequences, manage urges. That's

1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:09.240
<v Speaker 3>the part of the brain right behind our forehead, called

1:04:09.240 --> 1:04:13.120
<v Speaker 3>the prefrontal cortex that's under construction during the teenage years.

1:04:13.160 --> 1:04:15.479
<v Speaker 3>In fact, the wiring of that is not completed until

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<v Speaker 3>the early twenties. And that's the end of his quote.

1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:21.000
<v Speaker 3>But basically the idea is that the lack of impulse

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<v Speaker 3>control alone, because like it's so, it's what they say

1:04:24.160 --> 1:04:27.640
<v Speaker 3>on the show all the time. They're like, well a

1:04:27.720 --> 1:04:30.000
<v Speaker 3>million other kids play this game, why are they going

1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:33.840
<v Speaker 3>out and murdering people? And these experts say that the

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<v Speaker 3>lack of impulse control, combined with other risk factors like

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<v Speaker 3>having a traumatic childhood, coming from a broken home, he's

1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:44.120
<v Speaker 3>in and out of foster care. Like these things combined

1:04:44.200 --> 1:04:47.760
<v Speaker 3>is what can lead to criminal stuff. Walsh also said,

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<v Speaker 3>so when a young man is with a developing brain,

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<v Speaker 3>already angry, spends hours and hours and hours rehearsing violent acts,

1:04:54.520 --> 1:04:57.440
<v Speaker 3>and then and he's put in a situation of emotional stress,

1:04:57.640 --> 1:05:00.240
<v Speaker 3>there's a likelihood that he will literally go to that

1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:03.880
<v Speaker 3>familiar pattern that's been wired repeatedly, perhaps thousands and thousands

1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:04.440
<v Speaker 3>of times.

1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:11.960
<v Speaker 1>So that's interesting. They actually got to the pre trial, which.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of places, a lot of times when anybody's

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<v Speaker 3>tried to sew companies like this, it just gets dismissed

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<v Speaker 3>pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>But they got to pre trial.

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<v Speaker 3>But on July twenty ninth of two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's like four years later of this of this

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<v Speaker 3>civil suit. The court granted summary judgment to take two.

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<v Speaker 3>I did have to text my friend Eric, who is

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<v Speaker 3>a lawyer, to ask him what summary judgment is. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's essentially when you ask a judge to make a

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<v Speaker 3>decision about the merits of the case before it goes

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<v Speaker 3>to trial, and the judge can be like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's nothing. It's almost like asking for a bench trial.

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<v Speaker 3>But usually you do a bench trial during the trial,

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<v Speaker 3>and a summary judgment is something that happens before, so

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<v Speaker 3>the judge can be like, yeah, this is a nothing burger,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we can't you can't prove this case legally.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing here? So that's essentially what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>The judge he didn't throw it out, but he granted

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<v Speaker 3>summary judgment to the take too, and so one family

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<v Speaker 3>filed in a p but then the ruling was upheld

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<v Speaker 3>and the case eventually kind of went nowhere. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>where that's I think what it was mostly based on.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some other there's.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple other he ever made any statements from now

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<v Speaker 2>that he's older, it's been a long time, Like, is

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<v Speaker 2>there any update on.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's like thirty something. He's like thirty nine. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I believe he's been in jail. He's still on death

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<v Speaker 3>row but hasn't been executed. And thirty nine and in jail,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like, yeah, so it's such a scary crime,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's like it does it does make me worry

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<v Speaker 3>about like letting kids play video games. And like letting

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<v Speaker 3>them have phones and all this stuff that when their

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<v Speaker 3>brains are still like developing. But you know, uh, there's

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<v Speaker 3>obviously a million cases where people are inspired by GTA

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<v Speaker 3>and violent video games and stuff. Like there's another case

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<v Speaker 3>called the Micah'sorner case called Tromo, Like I yeah, this

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<v Speaker 3>game was huge. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, Like a teen

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<v Speaker 3>in Wisconsin, Micah Zorner. He stole around hundred cars before

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<v Speaker 3>he was caught and he claimed it was all inspired

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<v Speaker 3>by GTA. That was just car theft. There was another

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<v Speaker 3>this case is this case is crazy? I started researching

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<v Speaker 3>this and people have this connected to this episode. But

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<v Speaker 3>this actually happened like four years after the episode came out.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh not not four years, two years after the episode

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<v Speaker 3>came out. So but I'm just going to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>it really quickly because it's wild. After this kid named

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel Petrick, who was also called Danny. It was a

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen year old in Ohio who, according to everybody, is

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<v Speaker 3>a good kid, loves his parents. Okay, then he gets

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<v Speaker 3>into a skiing accident and he gets a staff infection,

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<v Speaker 3>which actually puts him at home for a year recovering

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<v Speaker 3>from a really serious spinal injury, and during that recovery process,

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<v Speaker 3>he gets introduced to the Halo games. Okay, Halo, I

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<v Speaker 3>will say with kids, I've maybe set four. I played

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<v Speaker 3>it once. It's like one of the only modern video

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<v Speaker 3>games I've ever played. Like me, it goes Mario and

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<v Speaker 3>then it goes one time playing Halo.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. I'm so not in the video game world

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<v Speaker 1>at all.

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<v Speaker 3>But Halo is a gay our games about an alien

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<v Speaker 3>war and it's rated M for mature and Petrick's dad

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<v Speaker 3>was not down with the video game violence. He told

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<v Speaker 3>him he had to stop playing it or he had

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<v Speaker 3>to leave the house. So he like would move to

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<v Speaker 3>a friend's house for the weekend and he would play

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<v Speaker 3>up to eighteen hours a day, barely stopping. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like that's crazy because that's in the episode, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>the episode came out first. So he bought Halo three

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<v Speaker 3>and when his dad found it that he out that

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<v Speaker 3>he did that. He took it and he put it

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<v Speaker 3>in a safe with two guns that he owned. Oops,

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel found the key to the safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>A week after his dad took the game away, he

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<v Speaker 3>found the key, took the game back.

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<v Speaker 2>So scared of video games, and then put them with guns.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, wouldn't you be more scared of the guns?

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<v Speaker 2>This is so crazy? Yeah, yeah, or like, why does

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<v Speaker 2>your kid know where the safe he is? Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so bad.

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<v Speaker 3>So a week after his dad took the game away,

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<v Speaker 3>he got the key, took the game back, took one

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<v Speaker 3>of the guns. At around seven o'clock on October twentieth,

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and seven, again, a full year and a

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<v Speaker 3>half after this ssview episode has aired, heard he walks

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<v Speaker 3>up behind his parents while they are sitting on the

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<v Speaker 3>couch and said, would you close your eyes? I have

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<v Speaker 3>a surprise for you, and he shot both of his

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<v Speaker 3>parents and then he put the gun in his dad's

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<v Speaker 3>hand to make it look like a murder suicide and said, hey, dad,

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<v Speaker 3>here's your gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Take it.

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<v Speaker 3>His mom died, his dad somehow survived, and he got

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<v Speaker 3>sentenced to life with the possibility of parole after.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty three years.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's currently at the Grafton Correctional Institution and is

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<v Speaker 3>eligible for parole in twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>So he'll be like he'll be like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Thirty nine, almost forty or something when he's elliptible for parole.

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<v Speaker 3>So fucking crazy and that happened after the episode. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a ton of different Like some people were trying

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<v Speaker 3>to link this to like natural Born Killers, but I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't really I don't really think it was natural Born

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<v Speaker 3>Killers related. Oh no, sorry, not natural Born Killers. These

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<v Speaker 3>this other couple that watched natural Born Killers a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of times. They went out and killed some people because

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<v Speaker 3>of that. But I wanted to keep it more video

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<v Speaker 3>game specific. So yeah, here we are, and that's that's that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what, yeah, it's it's not it's not great that,

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<v Speaker 3>but that like it's like, I don't think a kid

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<v Speaker 3>like that, someone who's already a fucking narcissist and like

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<v Speaker 3>a malignant narcissist with probably psychopath tendencies, should be playing

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen hours of video games a day, because then he

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<v Speaker 3>is going to do something nuts. But no, guest, today,

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<v Speaker 3>let's move on to our post mortem. Wow, little Dickie

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<v Speaker 3>saving the day on this crime. Honestly, I want everybody

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<v Speaker 3>to know that we did try to contact the actor

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<v Speaker 3>who played Dickie, but he's no longer in the game,

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<v Speaker 3>and uh he uh yeah, I don't know. He just

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't didn't want to come on the pod. But I uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I think Dicky was the greatest adversary for Christopher Maloney

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<v Speaker 3>besides rapist and murderers. In the first twelve seasons of

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<v Speaker 3>that show. He was like the only person that he

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<v Speaker 3>ever I mean, like Kathleen had like whatever, Kathleen, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Kathleen had some shit, but like, but Dicky was always

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<v Speaker 3>like I hate you, like it was.

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<v Speaker 2>He just saw through him. Like Dicky just was like,

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<v Speaker 2>shut up, you loser.

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<v Speaker 1>Am a cab.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Dicky was a cab except in the game where

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<v Speaker 3>because Dicky's like I love.

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<v Speaker 1>To kill sex workers with cars.

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't believe that game really took off the

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<v Speaker 2>way it did. It's like such an indictment of our society.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, right, like, oh, I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 2>kill these hookers in this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in this case, it's weird. Yeah, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's truly was one of the biggest games ever of

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<v Speaker 2>all time, still is beloved, and it is about murdering

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<v Speaker 2>people on the street and committing cracks.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's also just like it's so real, Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>like you're going through a city and you're looking at

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<v Speaker 3>human beings. It's not like Halo where I think you're

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<v Speaker 3>shooting aliens or whatever and you're on like another planet

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not you like Doom. So I don't know what's doom.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens in that game. It's fucked that way. Look

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<v Speaker 1>up Doom PC.

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<v Speaker 2>I played it on the PC, so well, now it's fatteristic.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this is like this is like you're you could

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<v Speaker 3>you wouldn't really be like when I get older, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be an I'm going to shoot an alien with

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<v Speaker 3>this like sodt off shotgun or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, it's not it's not real, like GTA is like real,

1:12:40.000 --> 1:12:42.679
<v Speaker 3>you're driving a cool sports car, you're getting real money.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like you're killing actual people. You're like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's just like so real. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>think people should stick to the sims.

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<v Speaker 1>I never well, I don't know, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I I loved the Simpsons game on and my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>but then I spent five hundred dollars so I had

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<v Speaker 2>I had to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to take it off my phone.

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<v Speaker 2>But my community looked amazing, like I think one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh your Simpsons game was like Sims where you were

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<v Speaker 3>building like a little Simpsons like land.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you built the whole like you built Springfield, so

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<v Speaker 2>like the Klicky Maar and then the parking lot and

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<v Speaker 2>the flowers are on the parking lot, and all the

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<v Speaker 2>restaurants on the boardwalk and like, and then all of

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<v Speaker 2>them had little jobs, and then you'd put all of

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<v Speaker 2>them and then you can like slowly earn through all

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<v Speaker 2>of their jobs and get the characters. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>spent real money, you could just buy any plant you

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<v Speaker 2>want or whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Yeah, fun, that's fun. I mean, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 3>that you had to, but I loved.

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<v Speaker 1>When Luanne van Howen was in her little jacuzzi suit

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just so cute. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so look, guys, games are affecting people in different ways.

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<v Speaker 3>You're either spending money you people, or you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>you're fine have other devices.

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<v Speaker 2>I stepped outside my building for what an hour today

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<v Speaker 2>and boom, I bought a newtrol. But I only buy

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<v Speaker 2>trolls with baby eyes, and they are rare and I

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe I found And I told her, I go,

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<v Speaker 2>I like the baby eyed ones.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes I get it New York. Step out of

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<v Speaker 1>your step right outside, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Get a cup of coffee, you get a baby, baby

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<v Speaker 3>eyed troll.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing you can't find here. I am like sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. The reason I was saying is because in the

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<v Speaker 2>window yesterday the store was closed, but I saw it

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<v Speaker 2>in the window.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a stuffed Betty.

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<v Speaker 2>Boop christmassed out and like holding a heart that said Noel.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, I got to get that

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<v Speaker 2>for a friend. Yeah, this is cute today. Gone, I go, gone,

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<v Speaker 2>I go. Did someone buy it? She goes, it's vintage, babe.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, it goes fast. I'm like, oh shit, shit,

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<v Speaker 2>you snooze, you lose on the boop. But she said

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<v Speaker 2>that someone bought it for his girlfriend. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, but I'll take the baby I troll. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I will miss not being able to like go to

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<v Speaker 3>New York at all a little bit in the holiday season.

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<v Speaker 3>I do, like, even though like I go home to

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<v Speaker 3>always go into the city a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, did you see that Betty Gilpin will be

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<v Speaker 2>playing colas Sola's Park And oh Mary, what are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she's talented, so I'm sure she'll kill it,

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<v Speaker 2>and like she had to audition, so I know they

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<v Speaker 2>needed may have a star to it. And I'm curious

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<v Speaker 2>because Cole is so per like it's it's hard to imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll say that I have faith, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>The part is so cold.

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<v Speaker 3>But I sold it to Jared and he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>Betty Gilpin is so talented and funny, like he worked

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<v Speaker 3>with her on one thing and he like is obsessed

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<v Speaker 3>with her, like how talented she is. He thinks she's

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<v Speaker 3>so great. And I've liked her and stuff I've seen her,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've never I guess I haven't seen her be

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<v Speaker 3>like hilariously funny. I mean like she's dry, like she

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<v Speaker 3>was very dry funny in like glow and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're Jackie, but this could be her time to Shackie.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Yeah, she's a nurse forgot. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 3>her character on Nurse Jackie is like so funny. She's

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<v Speaker 3>like a rich girl, like kind of dumb doctor, which

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<v Speaker 3>is funny. But I'm interested, like to hear what people say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of cool. It is cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And they did some cool press and yeah, yeah, well

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad the show will keep going on, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's exciting. Yeah, oh, you know, I do have something

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<v Speaker 2>else to say that's not about the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Another Jean Benet.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't need it, we don't need it. I put

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<v Speaker 2>it on and I was just born. In the first

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes, I go, get me out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>What what's it on? Is it on like Netflix or something? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a new Jean Benet.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, if you guys don't have new evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>In the beginning, it's like and there's no better time

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<v Speaker 2>to solve the crime. But now and it's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I'm over it. Like it's done, it's done.

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<v Speaker 2>The mom's dead, Like it's done. ABC News says, progress

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<v Speaker 2>being made. It's like, what do you guys talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>Like the last documentary, the last documentary that I watched

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<v Speaker 3>of it a few years ago was interesting because they

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<v Speaker 3>recreated the whole scene. There was a bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that was really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They remember that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like remember when they were like, oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>the DNA that was found in her underwear was DNA

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<v Speaker 3>from a worker in Thailand. Where the underwear was made

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<v Speaker 3>or something, or in Taiwan, Like sorry, I might be

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<v Speaker 3>saying the wrong country, but like it's it's not the

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<v Speaker 3>DNA of a criminal. Like it was found that the

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<v Speaker 3>DNA in like the there was no like sexual element

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<v Speaker 3>to her killing, and that was like new information, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, like so there was there was some new info.

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<v Speaker 3>But now it's like how many years ago is that

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<v Speaker 3>how you really found more info enough for like a

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<v Speaker 3>it just feels like we keep trading on this poor

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<v Speaker 3>little girl just because she was like a little beauty

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<v Speaker 3>queen and like the little poster is shocking, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird. It's weird that there's another one. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait till one day the news as we've solved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy to that and then you can make a documentary

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<v Speaker 2>righting the case. Yeah, but I just am not into

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<v Speaker 2>more and more about it.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing is is like there's just like I mean

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm like because it's like are you making it

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<v Speaker 3>for perverts?

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<v Speaker 1>Like are you making this for perverts?

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<v Speaker 3>I know? But like every time I'm home for the holidays,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm watching true crime shit with my family, so I

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<v Speaker 3>can under I see why business wise, these companies are

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<v Speaker 3>just pumping out more true crime docs for like the holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so fucked up, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the guard of the way it is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like people are on Netflix, like that's when everybody was

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<v Speaker 3>watching Making a Murderer was over the holidays, like when

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<v Speaker 3>everybody like last year, well last holiday or maybe it

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<v Speaker 3>was just the summer, and I was hold with my

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<v Speaker 3>brothers when like two Lacey and what's the guy that

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<v Speaker 3>you think that you you.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you dare Scott? No, No, what's his name?

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<v Speaker 4>What?

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Peterson? Like to Lazy Peterson? Scott Peterson? Two Casey

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony's like the year before. You know, it's like everyone's

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<v Speaker 3>just making warring docs too with like it's it's nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think, Jean Beney, we need to like give

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<v Speaker 1>it a rest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's done. I just solve it and then like and

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<v Speaker 2>watch another thing. But like he and the dad, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the dad needs money. I mean I don't know, yeah, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>oh god, I mean I don't know. Isn't the working

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<v Speaker 2>theory that her brother did it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Do we need to keep like looking like it? Does

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<v Speaker 3>the dad want people to keep looking into like his

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<v Speaker 3>son possibly doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, no, because he could have flipped on

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<v Speaker 1>his son a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Ago, right, But that's what I'm saying, Like, but doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>the dad give consent for these docks or does he

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<v Speaker 3>not have to?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. No, he's in it. I saw him talking.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he's in it, That's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I started it and then I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want this, and I've been, you know, on a

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<v Speaker 2>King of the Hill thing, so I just put that.

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<v Speaker 1>Back on nice. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the bottom line from today's episode is you

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<v Speaker 3>can play video games, but just like relax, like we

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<v Speaker 3>don't need to be playing like you know, forty hours

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<v Speaker 3>in a row or whatever that shit is, Like, keep

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<v Speaker 3>an eye, keep an eye on what your kids are playing,

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<v Speaker 3>and in that vein for this week's What Would Sister

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<v Speaker 3>Peg Do?

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<v Speaker 2>But don't we want to, I say, because like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like when people shit on people that play video games,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's like, you know, it's like watching too you know,

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of hole.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like anything moderation, right, like don't go too crazy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>But we for this week's what Would Sister Peg Do,

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<v Speaker 3>which is our weekly segment where we direct you guys

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<v Speaker 3>to more information or you know, organizations that can provide

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<v Speaker 3>help about anything that comes up in our episodes. We

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to point you this week to Gaming Addicts Anonymous.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think gaming addiction is real. People might need

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<v Speaker 3>help with it as much as they would for other

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<v Speaker 3>vices or you know, like issues that they have with

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<v Speaker 3>other things. So similar to AA groups, this organization is

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<v Speaker 3>quote a fellowship of people who support each other in

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<v Speaker 3>recovering from problems resulting from excessive gameplaying. So the only

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<v Speaker 3>requirement for membership is a desire to stop video gaming.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to find a meeting or find out

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<v Speaker 3>more information, head over to Gaming Addicts anonymous DOTG. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for that, and I will obviously post that our

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<v Speaker 3>in our show notes and it'll be in a story

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<v Speaker 3>the day this episode comes out and saved forever in

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<v Speaker 3>our WWSPD highlight.

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<v Speaker 2>And next week we keep chugging on through Nationwide Manhunt

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<v Speaker 2>Season seventeen, Episode fourteen, Get at it as always, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for listening, have an amazing holiday season. Sometime of rest

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, overtime pay, whatever is happening for you

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<v Speaker 2>these times, vacation, sunshine, snowy, you know, I hope it's

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<v Speaker 2>safe shoveling whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Holidays to all of you. We love you, We'll

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