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<v Speaker 3>Welcome in to another special edition of What's Right with

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Right The podcast and YouTube shows. We are into

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<v Speaker 3>the top five of the fifty greatest players of the

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<v Speaker 3>last fifty years. And this is the part of the

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<v Speaker 3>list where I'll be honest, I'm really glad that it

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<v Speaker 3>is the last fifty years because Wilt and Russell and

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<v Speaker 3>how they slot up against the next two guys incredibly

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<v Speaker 3>difficult for me. And I know we're not doing Wilton

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<v Speaker 3>Russell on this pod, but the top three are not

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<v Speaker 3>only the top three of the last fifty years in

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<v Speaker 3>my opinion, they are the top three of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>But five and four how they would compare and contrast

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<v Speaker 3>to Wilton Russell incredibly difficult to evaluate, and so I'm

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<v Speaker 3>glad we don't have to evaluate. Also, number five is

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<v Speaker 3>a player who I watched in real time the entirety

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<v Speaker 3>of his career. Number four is a player who I

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<v Speaker 3>have very very few memories of, very few of his

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<v Speaker 3>real apex and of honestly the majority of his playing career.

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<v Speaker 3>And I had to go back and watch and research.

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<v Speaker 3>And thanks to the Internet, you can really go back

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<v Speaker 3>and watch almost any playoff game if you're willing to

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<v Speaker 3>pay for it in any playoff game, certainly of the

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<v Speaker 3>last forty years, in most of the last fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're two very different players. They are very similar

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<v Speaker 3>in this Number five and four are both guys who

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<v Speaker 3>have a handful of jewelry, as everyone does on the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of this list. They are both unique in that

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<v Speaker 3>we had never quite had a player dominate from day

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<v Speaker 3>one the way both of these guys did from day

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<v Speaker 3>one from rookies being MVP caliber guys not even well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to give away the rest of the list,

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<v Speaker 3>but guys who are in the goat conversation did not

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<v Speaker 3>dominate as rookies as much as Number five and number

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<v Speaker 3>four did. But let's get right to it. Number five

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<v Speaker 3>on our list the fifth greatest player of the last

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<v Speaker 3>fifty years, the big fundamental.

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<v Speaker 4>Number five, Tim Dunky.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's go over the career resume before we get

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<v Speaker 3>to the playoffs stuff. The career resume is quite simple.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten times First Team All NBA. That's tied for the

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<v Speaker 3>fourth most ever, three time second team, two time third

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<v Speaker 3>Team All NBA that is fifteen total all NBA teams

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<v Speaker 3>That is tied for the second most ever. He's a

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<v Speaker 3>two time League MVP and years one through eight of

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<v Speaker 3>his career. First eight seasons of his career he was

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<v Speaker 3>top five MVP finisher nine total MVP top five finishes.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a fifteen time all defensive player that is the

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<v Speaker 3>most in NBA history by a wide margin. He was

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one twelve and three as a rookie, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>he was twenty one twelve and three for averages over

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<v Speaker 3>his first twelve seasons, which speaks to the consistency. His

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<v Speaker 3>rookie year he was twenty one twelve and three and

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<v Speaker 3>the first twelve years of his career combined, he was

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one points, twelve rebounds, three assists, with all world

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<v Speaker 3>caliber defense every step of the way. He is fifth

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<v Speaker 3>all time in blocks. He is sixth all time in rebounds.

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<v Speaker 3>He is fifteenth all time in points. That's all in

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<v Speaker 3>the regular season. Now to the playoffs. The top line

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<v Speaker 3>of the playoffs are this. He is a five time

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<v Speaker 3>champion and a three time finals MVP, with one additional

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<v Speaker 3>finals appearance that won one of the most famous finals ever,

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty thirteen finals against Lebron in the Miami Heat.

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<v Speaker 3>His career playoff average twenty points, ten rebounds from ninety

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<v Speaker 3>nine to seven, his nine year playoff prime. In those

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<v Speaker 3>nine years, he won four rings, he won three finals MVPs,

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<v Speaker 3>and he averaged twenty four points fourteen thirteen rebounds, four assists,

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<v Speaker 3>three blocks per game in forty minutes per game on

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<v Speaker 3>fifty percent shooting. So that's the general Tim Duncan stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But as we do with everyone on this list, we

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<v Speaker 3>then go year by year to their playoff career. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>and by the way, I should mention this playoffs every

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<v Speaker 3>single season fifty or more wins every single year of

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<v Speaker 3>his career, except for the year that there was only

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<v Speaker 3>fifty games, the sixty six game season he won fifty games.

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<v Speaker 3>The only year did win fifty games was the year

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<v Speaker 3>there was only fifty games, And that, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>is one of the main reasons I have Duncan five

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<v Speaker 3>in Kobe six. Is Kobe had that little golf in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of his career, post shack, pre pal Duncan

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<v Speaker 3>never had that fifty wins in the playoffs every year

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<v Speaker 3>of his career. All right, So let's go to his

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<v Speaker 3>rookie year nineteen ninety eight, his first career playoff game

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<v Speaker 3>thirty two and ten opens Round two against Carl Malone

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<v Speaker 3>with thirty three and ten, but they lose in round two.

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<v Speaker 3>But as a rookie is dropping thirty and tens in

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<v Speaker 3>the postseason. Nineteen ninety nine, facing Shack in round two,

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<v Speaker 3>averages for the series twenty nine and eleven and sweeps

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<v Speaker 3>Shaquille O'Neal out of the playoffs. Kobe's on that team too,

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<v Speaker 3>but Kobe's too young to take any flak for that.

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<v Speaker 3>He had thirty seven and fourteen to go up three

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<v Speaker 3>to zero and Shack on Shack and thirty three and

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen to finish off the suite. By the way, Shack,

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<v Speaker 3>who over the next three years after that in the

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<v Speaker 3>finals would average thirty six points per game. He held

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<v Speaker 3>Shack to twenty four points per game in his first

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<v Speaker 3>career finals game ever against the Knicks in ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 3>thirty three and sixteen for this series average twenty seven

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<v Speaker 3>and fourteen Finals MVP, and that season the Spurs went

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen and two in the playoffs. He gets forgotten because

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<v Speaker 3>his lockout year first year without Jordan, that team kicked

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's ass fifteen and two for the playoffs. The next year,

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<v Speaker 3>he was injured, so the Spurs made the playoffs, but

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<v Speaker 3>he got injured at the end of the season maniscus thing.

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<v Speaker 3>They held him out so he didn't get to defend

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<v Speaker 3>his title. Two thousand and one against Dirk in round two,

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<v Speaker 3>averages twenty seven and seventeen. In the one Western Romfens

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<v Speaker 3>Finals against the defending champion Lakers in Game two, he

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<v Speaker 3>had forty and fifteen, but that Lakers team was on

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<v Speaker 3>the show short list of maybe best Lakers team ever.

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<v Speaker 3>They then sweep San Antonio. San Antonio swept him in

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<v Speaker 3>ninety nine, the Lakers sweeping back in two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 3>Two thousand and two against the Lakers in round two,

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<v Speaker 3>he's absolutely unbelievable, but the Lakers are too good. But

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<v Speaker 3>what does duncan do? He is in Game one twenty

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<v Speaker 3>six points, twenty one rebounds, five assists, four blocks, but

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<v Speaker 3>they lose. In Game five, down three to one, he

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<v Speaker 3>has thirty four points and twenty five rebounds, but they lose.

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<v Speaker 3>For the series, he averages twenty nine, seventeen, and five,

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<v Speaker 3>but they lose in five, which speaks to what a

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<v Speaker 3>juggernaut the Lakers still work now. Two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 3>his perfect season. Okay, two thousand and two, he had won,

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<v Speaker 3>he'd won an MVP, he wins another one and o

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<v Speaker 3>three and it is truly his perfect season. So what

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<v Speaker 3>does he do? Nineteen sixteen and five. Round one average

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<v Speaker 3>against Phoenix gets the Lakers. In Round two has thirty

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<v Speaker 3>seven and sixteen to end the series, averages twenty eight

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<v Speaker 3>to twelve and five for the series. Round three, Western

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<v Speaker 3>armends Finals against Dirk starts the Western armends Finals with

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<v Speaker 3>forty fifteen and seven tied one game apiece. Game three

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<v Speaker 3>has thirty four points, twenty four rebounds, six assists, six

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<v Speaker 3>blocks thirty four to twenty four, six and six to

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<v Speaker 3>go up to one. Averages for the series twenty eight

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen to six and three, and in the finals a

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<v Speaker 3>total annihilation of the nets. Game one of the Finals

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<v Speaker 3>is some of these box scores is so bananas. Game

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<v Speaker 3>one of the Finals thirty two points, twenty rebounds, six assists,

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<v Speaker 3>three steals, seven blocks, thirty two to twenty six, three

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<v Speaker 3>and seven, a near quadruple double to end the finals

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one points, twenty rebounds, ten assists, eight blocks, and

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<v Speaker 3>for the finals averaged twenty four points, seventeen rebounds, five assists,

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<v Speaker 3>five blocks. Just absolutely Banana's production to win his second

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<v Speaker 3>Finals MVP in his second ring. Two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 3>another round they kept playing the Lakers in round two

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<v Speaker 3>instead of the conference finals. Another round two battle with

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<v Speaker 3>the Lakers, they lose after being up two zero. Duncan

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<v Speaker 3>average twenty one to twelve and that's you know the

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<v Speaker 3>famous uh Derek Fisher games that year where Derek Fisher

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<v Speaker 3>hits the point four second shot after Duncan hits the

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<v Speaker 3>crazy shot, but Duncan average twenty one to twelve gave

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<v Speaker 3>Shack fits for the series. Two thousand and five, another

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<v Speaker 3>angry playoff run for Duncan thirty nine and fourteen in

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<v Speaker 3>round one against Mellow and Denver to go up three

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<v Speaker 3>to one, twenty five and ten average in round two

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<v Speaker 3>against Ray Allen against National Mary in the Western Conference

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<v Speaker 3>finals twenty seven and fourteen for the series to close

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<v Speaker 3>them out, goes thirty one, fifteen, four and three in

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<v Speaker 3>Game five. Now he's back in the finals against the

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<v Speaker 3>defending champion Pistons. Ben Wallace and Rashid Wallace are their

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<v Speaker 3>front line. He opens the finals with the twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>and seventeen and then it goes seven. In Game seven,

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<v Speaker 3>has twenty five and eleven wins another finals MVP, averaging

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<v Speaker 3>twenty and fourteen against a great defensive team and a

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<v Speaker 3>team that was this close to winning back to back

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<v Speaker 3>titles in the Five Pistons two thousand and six. See

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<v Speaker 3>this is where you remember like man, if not for

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<v Speaker 3>the Derek Fisher shot, does Duncan win the ring that year?

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<v Speaker 3>In four? And then in six what happens? He has

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<v Speaker 3>an all time duel with Dirk and round two average

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<v Speaker 3>thirty two to twelve. For the series down three to one,

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<v Speaker 3>has thirty six and twelve, and then in Game seven

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<v Speaker 3>has forty one, fifteen and six in an overtime loss.

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<v Speaker 3>The what if there is? That's the game where the

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<v Speaker 3>MAVs are down three, Dirk's driving to the basket man

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<v Speaker 3>who slaps him on the elbow. Dirk gets the end

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<v Speaker 3>one they end up winning in overtime. They then go

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<v Speaker 3>on to lose to the Miami Heat in the finals.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's another gosh with the spersable in that title.

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<v Speaker 3>But seven the angry Duncan years, the years he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>coming off when he didn't win the title. Lookout another ring.

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<v Speaker 3>This time he sweeps twenty two year old Lebron the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest challenge was again in round two rather than the

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<v Speaker 3>Western Conference Finals, was against Phoenix. He goes for twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seven points, fourteen rebounds, four blocks per game, including a

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<v Speaker 3>thirty three to nineteen game. In the finals, he averaged

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen to twelve. They gave Tony Parker to the finals MVP.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't really agree with it, Dan, I don't agree

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<v Speaker 3>with it now, but fine, it's whatever. And then it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like maybe we're getting to the end. Oh eight.

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<v Speaker 3>He opens his title offense with a forty to fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>to five against Phoenix, averages twenty five to fifteen for

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<v Speaker 3>the series. They lose, though, to the Lakers in the

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<v Speaker 3>Western Roarmends Finals, despite the fact that in game one

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<v Speaker 3>he has a thirty point eighteen rebound, two assists, two

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<v Speaker 3>steeal four block game, and for the in the final

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<v Speaker 3>game of the Western Umens Finals has triple double nineteen points,

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen rebounds, ten assists, but they lose. And then two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and nine, twenty ten, twenty eleven, he only wins

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<v Speaker 3>one series. His averages dropped to seventeen to ten, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, okay, all right, So the Spurs, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they won their four titles in eight years. It's unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're done. Twenty twelve, though, it's like, wait, are

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<v Speaker 3>the Spurs gonna win the title? They open the playoffs

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<v Speaker 3>with ten straight victories, but then if you remember they're

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<v Speaker 3>up too to azer on ok see, then it all

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<v Speaker 3>clicks for OKC. OKC wins four straight. Twenty thirteen, the

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<v Speaker 3>Spurs are back in the finals. We are now fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>years removed from their first championship. In the ray Allen game,

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<v Speaker 3>he has thirty points in seventeen rebounds. In the game.

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<v Speaker 3>To win the title, he has thirty points in s

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen rebounds, including twenty five in the first half. But

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<v Speaker 3>they lose the most heartbreaking championship game ever. In Game seven,

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<v Speaker 3>they lose. Duncan misses that little bunny that could have

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<v Speaker 3>tied the game, but he did put up twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>and twelve. So how do they respond? They win the

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<v Speaker 3>damn title The next year twenty fourteen, he averages eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>and eleven against Durant and OKC to win the Western

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<v Speaker 3>Amorge Finals. At age thirty seven, to win the finals.

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<v Speaker 3>To win the Western Arms Finals in six games, he

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<v Speaker 3>averages eighteen and eleven twenty one and ten to open

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<v Speaker 3>the finals, average fifteen and ten, and that year he

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<v Speaker 3>could have won finals MVP. Again they give it to

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<v Speaker 3>Kawhi and then twenty fifteen, he's thirty eight years old.

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<v Speaker 3>They're playing a game seven against the Clippers. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Paul falling down banking game. He has twenty seven

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<v Speaker 3>and eleven at thirty eight years old. At thirty seven

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<v Speaker 3>years old, he a he averaged. He's eighteen eleven to

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<v Speaker 3>beat Durant. At thirty six years old, he has a

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<v Speaker 3>thirty and seventeen to win the title and Ray Allen

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<v Speaker 3>beats him. He's sixth all time in playoff minutes or

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<v Speaker 3>second old time in playoff minutes, pardon me, sixth all

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<v Speaker 3>time in playoff points, first all time in playoff blocks,

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<v Speaker 3>third all time in playoff rebounds, behind only Wilton Russell.

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<v Speaker 3>He has won one hundred and three career twenty and

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<v Speaker 3>ten playoff games, which is the fourth most all time.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the fifth best player of the last fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>He is Tim Duncan. We have a Tim Duncan caller.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's squeeze her in Tim Duncan at five.

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<v Speaker 5>Finally, finally, I have nothing negative to say he's getting

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<v Speaker 5>the respect that he deserves. He has five rings in

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<v Speaker 5>three different decades, which PS makes him sound like he's

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<v Speaker 5>a hundred, but he's not.

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<v Speaker 3>It just timed out perfectly where that's how it worked out.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyways, that's a two time MVP, and PS also let

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<v Speaker 5>other members of the team shine. So yes, Tim Duncan

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<v Speaker 5>top five. I mean probably could be higher, but five

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<v Speaker 5>is fine.

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<v Speaker 3>So listen, five is fine and appreciate miss Beatle help there.

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<v Speaker 3>He couldn't be higher. I have you guys know the

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<v Speaker 3>four names ahead of him. There is no real argument

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<v Speaker 3>to put him ahead of any of those four. But

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<v Speaker 3>I also don't think there's any argument to put him

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<v Speaker 3>behind Kobe or Shack or Dream or Bird. I think

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<v Speaker 3>Duncan is solidly where he is the fifth best player

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<v Speaker 3>of the last fifty years. Guy won fifty games every year,

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<v Speaker 3>was one of the in my opinion, the second best

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<v Speaker 3>defensive player on this entire list, behind only a team

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<v Speaker 3>the consonant pro, the consonant teammate, the consonant winner. Tim Duncan.

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<v Speaker 3>We will now get to a player who truly did

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<v Speaker 3>have goat potential but saw his career cut a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit short. You know who he is. We'll discuss him next.

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<v Speaker 3>What's right. Welcome back in as we continue our countdown

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<v Speaker 3>to the fifty greatest players of the last fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>And now a player that I truly regret that I

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<v Speaker 3>was not able to enjoy his prime by watching it live.

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<v Speaker 3>I was alive for a lot of his prime, but

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<v Speaker 3>I was too young to remember it. But when you

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<v Speaker 3>go back and watch these games, playoffs or regular season,

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<v Speaker 3>he is just playing the sport differently than anyone ever

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<v Speaker 3>had up to that point, and honestly than anyone ever

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<v Speaker 3>has since. Another thing to remember about this man is

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<v Speaker 3>while we go through this, keep in mind he essentially

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<v Speaker 3>played twelve years. He had twelve healthy seasons, and then

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<v Speaker 3>the career cut short. He is the fourth greatest player

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<v Speaker 3>of the last fifty years. He is, of course number four.

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<v Speaker 3>Magic Johnson so again twelve years, playing nine time first

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<v Speaker 3>team All NBA, one time second team All NBA. He

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<v Speaker 3>is a three time MVP with nine top three MVP finishes.

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<v Speaker 3>Seventy five percent of his SEA seasons, he finished in

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<v Speaker 3>the top three in MVP voting. He retired as the

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<v Speaker 3>NBA's all time assist leader. He's now six he's a

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<v Speaker 3>four time assist champion. He averaged for his career eleven

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<v Speaker 3>assists per game, and he has won one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>thirty eight career triple doubles. So that's the top line,

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<v Speaker 3>regular season resume stuff, the playoff stuff. It is. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>I am just believe me when I tell you I

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<v Speaker 3>left a lot out because there is so much here.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's a five time champion, a three time finals MVP,

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<v Speaker 3>and a nine time finalist. So again, nine of his

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<v Speaker 3>twelve years he was top three in the MVP voting.

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<v Speaker 3>Nine of his twelve years he got his team to

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<v Speaker 3>the NBA finals. It's just unbelievable that he had twelve

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<v Speaker 3>seasons before the before the HIV diagnosis, and he had

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<v Speaker 3>nine top three MVPs, nine finals, five rings three MVPs.

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<v Speaker 3>Still the all time playoff leader and assists, retired as

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<v Speaker 3>the all time playoff leader in steals, He's now fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the all time playoff leader in triple doubles with thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Lebron might catch him. Lebron's at twenty eight, but when

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<v Speaker 3>he retired, the second most playoff triple doubles ever was

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<v Speaker 3>Bird with ten. He had thirty He is the all

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<v Speaker 3>time finals leader and assists and steals. His career average

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<v Speaker 3>is twenty and eleven. His career playoff average is twenty

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<v Speaker 3>and twelve. Only Kareem and Lebron in the last fifty

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<v Speaker 3>years have played more finals games. Only Jordan, Kareem and

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<v Speaker 3>Lebron in the last fifty years have scored more points

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<v Speaker 3>in the finals. So how to do it well? He

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<v Speaker 3>did it by instantly kicking ass So again, trust me

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<v Speaker 3>when I say I had to gloss over some of

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<v Speaker 3>this or else this would have been forty five minutes

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<v Speaker 3>on Magic alone. But we'll start with nineteen eighty his

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<v Speaker 3>first two playoff games. He's a rookie. He's a kid too,

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<v Speaker 3>because he was young when he came into the league

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<v Speaker 3>on like bird first two playoff games thirteen twelve and sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>followed by twenty five, thirteen eleven, and six his first

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<v Speaker 3>series ever. He averaged a triple double fifteen eleven and eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>And keep in mind with Magic that the we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>say is points and sometimes points, rebounds, assists, sometimes just

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<v Speaker 3>points and assists. You hear a lot a guy at

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four and seventeen that typically means twenty four points,

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen rebounds with magic. If we only give you two numbers,

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<v Speaker 3>remember the second number is assists, because these assists totals

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<v Speaker 3>are so bananas. He closed out Seattle in the Western

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<v Speaker 3>Governerence Finals as a rookie with twenty ten to ten,

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<v Speaker 3>and then, of course, the game that still might be

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<v Speaker 3>the finest game of his career came as a rookie

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<v Speaker 3>in the finals. No Kareem in game six because Kareem

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<v Speaker 3>is hurt. He plays center and goes forty two points,

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen rebounds, seven assists, playing out of position to win

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<v Speaker 3>the championship as the rookie. As a rookie for the finals,

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<v Speaker 3>playing against Doctor J and Philly, averaged twenty one points,

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<v Speaker 3>eleven rebounds, nine assists for the playoffs that year, eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>points per game, eleven rebounds per game, nine assists per game,

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<v Speaker 3>three steals per game. He's twenty years old, nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 3>so that was nineteen eighty nineteen eighty one. Loses in

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<v Speaker 3>round one to Moses the guy, also very high on

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<v Speaker 3>our list, despite averaging seventeen points, fourteen rebounds, seven assists.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we're to nineteen eighty two. Round one. They sweep

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<v Speaker 3>the opposition. He has three round one triple doubles and

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<v Speaker 3>averages twenty twelve and eleven. Western Armends Finals sweeps. The

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<v Speaker 3>Great George Gervin against Doctor J in the finals averages sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>eleven and eight for another Finals MVP and for the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>He's now twenty two years old and a two time

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<v Speaker 3>champion and a two time finals MVP. He averages for

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<v Speaker 3>the playoffs seventeen points, eleven rebounds, nine assists, three steals

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty three. Opens his title defense with nineteen points,

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<v Speaker 3>nine rebounds, eighteen assists and seven steals nineteen nine eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>seven to open the playoffs. Closes out Round one with

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty five point seven rebound fifteen assist for steal.

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<v Speaker 3>Game playing George Gervin again Game four of the Western

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<v Speaker 3>Conference Finals thirty one points, eight rebounds, seventeen assists. Again

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<v Speaker 3>do you know how bad insane that is? Just throws

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<v Speaker 3>up a humble thirty one point eight and seventeen for

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<v Speaker 3>the series, averaged eighteen eleven and fourteen. In the reason

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<v Speaker 3>the points were low was Game six of the Western

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<v Speaker 3>Almends Finals. He had one of the most bizarre games ever.

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<v Speaker 3>He scored two points, but had fifteen rebounds and sixteen assists.

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<v Speaker 3>Now in the finals they're playing Philly, who again they

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<v Speaker 3>beat nineteen eighty a Philly team that beat them in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen No, Moses beat them in eighty one, but who

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<v Speaker 3>they beat nineteen eighty and who they also beat nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty two in the finals, and this time Philly has

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<v Speaker 3>Moses and Philly sweeps them. But Magic does average nineteen points,

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<v Speaker 3>eight rebounds, thirteen assists put up we're being fair six

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<v Speaker 3>turnovers per game still nineteen eight and thirteen for the

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<v Speaker 3>series nineteen eighty four one sweep of the Kings, averages

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two, seven and twelve in round two against Dallas,

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<v Speaker 3>averages seventeen, six and thirteen averaged in the Western Commens

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<v Speaker 3>Finals eighteen six, fifteen and three. Again for Magic is

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<v Speaker 3>flu series averages because there's there's too many games like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>he had nineteen, Sissy had twenty one, a Sissy at eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>It's too much. Gets back to the finals, this time

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<v Speaker 3>playing Bird in the Celtics for the first time, averages

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen points, eight rebounds, fourteen assists. But Bird was better

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<v Speaker 3>than him in the series, and it's unbelievable. Magic in

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<v Speaker 3>game four, had twenty points, eleven rebounds, seventeen assists, but

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<v Speaker 3>missed a couple of free throws and had a bad

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<v Speaker 3>turnover late. And that's the game where people came up

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<v Speaker 3>with tragic Johnson again. You think the media has only

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<v Speaker 3>been hard now The guy had twenty eleven and seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>was already a two time champion in two times finals

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<v Speaker 3>MVP and people are like, oh joker nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 3>right after the tragic Johnson label gets thrown on him.

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<v Speaker 3>Opens the playoffs with an eighteen point nineteen assist game,

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<v Speaker 3>closes out Drexler and Portland in round two with thirty

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<v Speaker 3>four nine and nineteen thirty four, nine and nineteen in

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<v Speaker 3>a series where he averaged twenty two, seven and seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude average seventeen assists per game regularly in these playoffs,

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<v Speaker 3>gets revenge on Boston beats him in six. In the finals.

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<v Speaker 3>Magic has another just typical for the finals and for

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<v Speaker 3>the playoffs eighteen points, seven rebounds, fourteen assists per game.

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<v Speaker 3>It's his finals and playoffs averages, getting eighteen seven and

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen doad win Finals MVP Kareem wins nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 3>defending champ lose to Houston the Western Conference Finals, and

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time in four years, he does not

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<v Speaker 3>make the finals. In that playoff run were they lose

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<v Speaker 3>in Houston to Houston, Magic average twenty one points per game,

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<v Speaker 3>six rebounds per game, fifteen assists per game. It's too

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<v Speaker 3>many insane games to list them all again. He averaged

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one, six and fifteen for the postseason run nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty seven, wins League MVP for the first time, and

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<v Speaker 3>guess what he's gonna be back in the finals. Missed

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<v Speaker 3>the finals for a year, said that it was whack.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go back to the finals. Run to the finals,

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<v Speaker 3>the Lakers go eleven to one. He averages on the

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<v Speaker 3>way to the finals twenty eight and twelve, and then

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<v Speaker 3>in the finals it's the rubber match with Boston. Game one,

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<v Speaker 3>Magic Johnson twenty nine points, eight rebounds, thirteen assists. Game two,

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<v Speaker 3>Magic Johnson twenty two points, five rebounds, twenty assists. Game three,

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<v Speaker 3>Magic Johnson thirty two points, eleven rebounds, nine assists. For

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<v Speaker 3>this series, twenty six points per game, eight rebounds per game,

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen assists per game, and another Finals MVP nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 3>eight another year, So yeah, It's probably time for Magic

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<v Speaker 3>to make the finals again, this one not quite as easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Round two Game seven against Malone and stocked It twenty three,

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<v Speaker 3>nine and sixteen against against Stockton's one of the best

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 3>defensive point guards ever twenty three to nine and sixteen.

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 3>That Round two go seven, Round three goes seven against

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<v Speaker 3>Dallas in game seven, Magic twenty four, nine and eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>Another seven game series in the finals. This should have

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<v Speaker 3>been Magic's MVP. They gave it to Worthy because Worthy

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<v Speaker 3>of the unbelievable Game seven. But Magic in those finals

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<v Speaker 3>averaged twenty one points, six rebounds, thirteen assists. Don't bring

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<v Speaker 3>those finals up to Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons. They

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<v Speaker 3>think that should have been there is understand it still Magic.

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 3>If the Lakers are gonna win it, Magic's probably got

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<v Speaker 3>to be finals MVP. Despite what Worthy did twenty one,

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<v Speaker 3>six and thirteen. Nineteen eighty nine, Magic wins another league MVP.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going for three straight titles. They sweep their way

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<v Speaker 3>to the finals. And this is one of the things

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 3>that has forgotten about Magic's career. They're going for three

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 3>straight titles. Magic is League MVP. They sweep the entire

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<v Speaker 3>Western route to the finals. Magic averages twenty points, seven rebounds,

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen assists in route to the finals. In the finals,

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<v Speaker 3>Detroit is awesome, but we also never know what will

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<v Speaker 3>happen because Magic got hurt in game two and they

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<v Speaker 3>get swept. Magic misses games. He gets hurt in game two,

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<v Speaker 3>so we don't know. I think Detroit probably wins no

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<v Speaker 3>matter what. But heart it is a it's hard to prove.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me put it like that. In that ended an

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<v Speaker 3>eight year stretch of seven finals appearances in four titles.

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<v Speaker 3>Overall in the eighties, he had eight finals appearances in

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<v Speaker 3>five titles in that decade. Nineteen ninety Kareem is now retired.

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<v Speaker 3>Magic wins another MVP, but they lose to Phoenix in

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<v Speaker 3>around to despite and this is what was amazing about

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<v Speaker 3>Magic all those games. I told you he's not scoring

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<v Speaker 3>forty in really any of them. Kareem retires in the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 3>they're facing adversity Games four and five against Phoenix. Forty

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<v Speaker 3>three points in game four, forty three points in game five.

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<v Speaker 3>Averages for the playoffs twenty five, six and thirteen, nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety one, it's been a year not being in the finals.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we said, Magic didn't go multiple years without being

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<v Speaker 3>in the finals, so nineteen ninety one he's back in

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<v Speaker 3>the finals. Average twenty three, eight and thirteen in the

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<v Speaker 3>playoffs leading up to the finals. In round one, he

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<v Speaker 3>had a twenty assist game and a thirty eight point game.

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<v Speaker 3>In the same series, round two, he had a forty

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<v Speaker 3>four point game and averaged in round two a triple

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<v Speaker 3>double twenty six, ten and thirteen. This nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 3>This is his twelfth year in the league. In the

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<v Speaker 3>Western Conference Finals, averages twenty one to eight and thirteen

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<v Speaker 3>against Portland, who's the defending conference champs. They're facing MJ's Bulls.

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<v Speaker 3>Game one is a triple double, but then they lose

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.239
<v Speaker 3>three straight down three to one. Magic did put up

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 3>in game five sixteen eleven and twenty assist, playing all

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<v Speaker 3>forty eight, but it's not enough and then he's diagnosed

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<v Speaker 3>with HIV so again. Nine years first year Finals MVP Champion,

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<v Speaker 3>second year Finals MVP Champion, sixth year Champion, eighth year

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<v Speaker 3>League MVP, ninth year League or tenth year League MVP,

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<v Speaker 3>with three more titles mixed in there. Year twelve back

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<v Speaker 3>in the finals and could have won a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>years prior, but lost in the finals when he got hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he gets diagnosed with HIV and his career

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<v Speaker 3>is over, but not actually so. He's out of basketball

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 3>for four full seasons, comes back at age thirty six

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<v Speaker 3>after missing his age thirty two to thirty three to

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<v Speaker 3>thirty four in thirty five seasons. In his first game

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<v Speaker 3>back after four years out of basketball nineteen eight and ten,

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<v Speaker 3>he played the two time defending champion Rockets in Round

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<v Speaker 3>one of the playoffs. An average for the series twenty

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<v Speaker 3>three or average of the first two games of the series.

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 3>I should say twenty three to ten and four. He's

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<v Speaker 3>thirty six years old. He's been out of the league

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<v Speaker 3>for four years. But then that's it, and the career

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 3>is over. One one hundred and forty three career ten

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 3>assist playoff games, a two full seasons of double digit

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 3>assist playoff games. Ten career twenty assist playoff games. Little

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 3>context there. The rest of NBA history combined has ten

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<v Speaker 3>twenty assists payoff games. Magic has ten, and the career

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<v Speaker 3>was cut. I don't know, three four five years short.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the fourth greatest player of the last fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Magic Johnson let's go to a couple of magic callers.

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<v Speaker 3>Is joke time? What of I had to holler at you,

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<v Speaker 3>Nick is Calvin Man and I heard you got magic

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<v Speaker 3>in the top five. Matter of fact, you got magic

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 3>in them before you see he's smiling. I'm smiling because

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 3>that's the right place for him, right transcend It six

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 3>foot nine running a point, dropping dives. Two Bucs said,

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 3>how do you want it? You want rebounds, assist points,

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 3>it don't matter. He delivered five rings. Transcend It on

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 3>and off the court, The Magic Man.

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<v Speaker 4>I did some research on Magic Johnson, trying to find

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<v Speaker 4>the most interesting thing possible. Here's what I came up

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<v Speaker 4>with Isaiah Thomas on open Court a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll read you the quote. In this era, we would

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<v Speaker 4>be talking about Magic Johnson as probably one of the

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<v Speaker 4>greatest centers to ever play the game. Hmmm, food for thought.

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<v Speaker 4>I liked it. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>I agree? I think Magic is truly positionless, could dominated

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<v Speaker 3>any spot, and in this era where you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to defend dominant centers, could be the ultimate small ball

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 3>cheap code. The only question about Magic is if not

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<v Speaker 3>for Hi, would he be considered the goat if he

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 3>would have kept playing. Keep in mind he has five rings.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it likely he would have gotten one more? I

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<v Speaker 3>think so? If he gets one more, is it one

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 3>of the years Jordan won? And would Jordan now have five?

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 3>And Magic of six? Kareem is in the Goat conversation.

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Kaream has six, but Kaream won five of his alongside Magic.

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<v Speaker 3>He is. I can't call him underrated, but it is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a little frustrating to me when I heard

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<v Speaker 3>people arguing, is Steph the greatest point guard ever? No,

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<v Speaker 3>the conversation the greatest point guard ever starts at number

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<v Speaker 3>two because Magic Johnson transcended the rankings. He is, without questioning,

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest point guard of all time. He is the

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<v Speaker 3>fourth greatest player of the last fifty years. And if

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<v Speaker 3>we did all time, would he still be the fourth

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<v Speaker 3>greatest player? Would I have him ahead of Wilton Russell?

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I would.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the fourth greatest player of the last fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Also the fourth greatest player ever. Irvin Magic Johnson, We'll

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<v Speaker 3>be right back, all right, Welcome back in fifty greatest

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<v Speaker 3>Players the last fifty years. And next week we get

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<v Speaker 3>into our top three. And for the final three they

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<v Speaker 3>each have stand alone episodes, and I want to reveal

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<v Speaker 3>something here. I originally made this list three years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and obviously there have been some major changes since then.

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<v Speaker 3>Three years ago, Giannis wasn't on it. Now he's in

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 3>the top Twenty three years ago, different guys active players

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 3>had to move up. And by the way, I had

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<v Speaker 3>a few guys on it that haven't played in years

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 3>and years. They got kicked off. For example, Pistol Pete

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 3>was on my initial list and then I really dug

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 3>into it and I said he can't be on the

0:34:54.920 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 3>initial list. So there's been some movement. The movement was

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 3>pretty except for guys like Yannis Katie Steph. There wasn't

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:10.280
<v Speaker 3>a lot of movement amongst the very very best guys

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 3>except for in the top three. And I know everybody

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<v Speaker 3>already thinks they know how this list is ending, and

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 3>they think they have, you know, they have figured out

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 3>how this thing's going to go one through five. What

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<v Speaker 3>I will tell you is this, six months ago, I

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<v Speaker 3>had a different top three than I currently have, and

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<v Speaker 3>it has to do with digging into the full depth

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 3>and width of all of these guys' careers, which is

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<v Speaker 3>why I think maybe I'm wrong I think most of

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<v Speaker 3>you will be surprised by who I have at number three,

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 3>But everyone left you know who they are. Kareem has left,

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Michael has left, Lebron is left, has an argument to

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 3>be the greatest player ever. We will just go us

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 3>each of them within the context of why they are

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 3>or are not the greatest player ever, as we give

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<v Speaker 3>a full episode to each of our last three. As

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<v Speaker 3>we amazingly finish off our countdown of the fifty greatest

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<v Speaker 3>players of the last fifty years, the number three coming

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<v Speaker 3>to you next week.