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And this is the part of the 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: list where I'll be honest, I'm really glad that it 24 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: is the last fifty years because Wilt and Russell and 25 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: how they slot up against the next two guys incredibly 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: difficult for me. And I know we're not doing Wilton 27 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: Russell on this pod, but the top three are not 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: only the top three of the last fifty years in 29 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: my opinion, they are the top three of all time. 30 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: But five and four how they would compare and contrast 31 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: to Wilton Russell incredibly difficult to evaluate, and so I'm 32 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: glad we don't have to evaluate. Also, number five is 33 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 3: a player who I watched in real time the entirety 34 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: of his career. Number four is a player who I 35 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: have very very few memories of, very few of his 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: real apex and of honestly the majority of his playing career. 37 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: And I had to go back and watch and research. 38 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: And thanks to the Internet, you can really go back 39 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: and watch almost any playoff game if you're willing to 40 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: pay for it in any playoff game, certainly of the 41 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: last forty years, in most of the last fifty years. 42 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: But they're two very different players. They are very similar 43 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: in this Number five and four are both guys who 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: have a handful of jewelry, as everyone does on the 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: rest of this list. They are both unique in that 46 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: we had never quite had a player dominate from day 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: one the way both of these guys did from day 48 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: one from rookies being MVP caliber guys not even well, 49 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: I don't want to give away the rest of the list, 50 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: but guys who are in the goat conversation did not 51 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: dominate as rookies as much as Number five and number 52 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: four did. But let's get right to it. Number five 53 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 3: on our list the fifth greatest player of the last 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: fifty years, the big fundamental. 55 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 4: Number five, Tim Dunky. 56 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: So let's go over the career resume before we get 57 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: to the playoffs stuff. The career resume is quite simple. 58 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: Ten times First Team All NBA. That's tied for the 59 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: fourth most ever, three time second team, two time third 60 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: Team All NBA that is fifteen total all NBA teams 61 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: That is tied for the second most ever. He's a 62 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: two time League MVP and years one through eight of 63 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: his career. First eight seasons of his career he was 64 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: top five MVP finisher nine total MVP top five finishes. 65 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: He's a fifteen time all defensive player that is the 66 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: most in NBA history by a wide margin. He was 67 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: twenty one twelve and three as a rookie, and in fact, 68 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: he was twenty one twelve and three for averages over 69 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: his first twelve seasons, which speaks to the consistency. His 70 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: rookie year he was twenty one twelve and three and 71 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: the first twelve years of his career combined, he was 72 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: twenty one points, twelve rebounds, three assists, with all world 73 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: caliber defense every step of the way. He is fifth 74 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 3: all time in blocks. He is sixth all time in rebounds. 75 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: He is fifteenth all time in points. That's all in 76 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: the regular season. Now to the playoffs. The top line 77 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: of the playoffs are this. He is a five time 78 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: champion and a three time finals MVP, with one additional 79 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: finals appearance that won one of the most famous finals ever, 80 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: the twenty thirteen finals against Lebron in the Miami Heat. 81 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 3: His career playoff average twenty points, ten rebounds from ninety 82 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 3: nine to seven, his nine year playoff prime. In those 83 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: nine years, he won four rings, he won three finals MVPs, 84 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 3: and he averaged twenty four points fourteen thirteen rebounds, four assists, 85 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: three blocks per game in forty minutes per game on 86 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: fifty percent shooting. So that's the general Tim Duncan stuff. 87 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: But as we do with everyone on this list, we 88 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: then go year by year to their playoff career. Oh 89 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 3: and by the way, I should mention this playoffs every 90 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: single season fifty or more wins every single year of 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 3: his career, except for the year that there was only 92 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: fifty games, the sixty six game season he won fifty games. 93 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 3: The only year did win fifty games was the year 94 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: there was only fifty games, And that, by the way, 95 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: is one of the main reasons I have Duncan five 96 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: in Kobe six. Is Kobe had that little golf in 97 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: the middle of his career, post shack, pre pal Duncan 98 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: never had that fifty wins in the playoffs every year 99 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: of his career. All right, So let's go to his 100 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: rookie year nineteen ninety eight, his first career playoff game 101 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 3: thirty two and ten opens Round two against Carl Malone 102 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: with thirty three and ten, but they lose in round two. 103 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: But as a rookie is dropping thirty and tens in 104 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: the postseason. Nineteen ninety nine, facing Shack in round two, 105 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: averages for the series twenty nine and eleven and sweeps 106 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: Shaquille O'Neal out of the playoffs. Kobe's on that team too, 107 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: but Kobe's too young to take any flak for that. 108 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: He had thirty seven and fourteen to go up three 109 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: to zero and Shack on Shack and thirty three and 110 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: fourteen to finish off the suite. By the way, Shack, 111 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: who over the next three years after that in the 112 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: finals would average thirty six points per game. He held 113 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: Shack to twenty four points per game in his first 114 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: career finals game ever against the Knicks in ninety nine, 115 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: thirty three and sixteen for this series average twenty seven 116 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: and fourteen Finals MVP, and that season the Spurs went 117 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: fifteen and two in the playoffs. He gets forgotten because 118 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: his lockout year first year without Jordan, that team kicked 119 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: everybody's ass fifteen and two for the playoffs. The next year, 120 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: he was injured, so the Spurs made the playoffs, but 121 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: he got injured at the end of the season maniscus thing. 122 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: They held him out so he didn't get to defend 123 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: his title. Two thousand and one against Dirk in round two, 124 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: averages twenty seven and seventeen. In the one Western Romfens 125 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: Finals against the defending champion Lakers in Game two, he 126 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: had forty and fifteen, but that Lakers team was on 127 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: the show short list of maybe best Lakers team ever. 128 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: They then sweep San Antonio. San Antonio swept him in 129 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: ninety nine, the Lakers sweeping back in two thousand and one. 130 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: Two thousand and two against the Lakers in round two, 131 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: he's absolutely unbelievable, but the Lakers are too good. But 132 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: what does duncan do? He is in Game one twenty 133 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: six points, twenty one rebounds, five assists, four blocks, but 134 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: they lose. In Game five, down three to one, he 135 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: has thirty four points and twenty five rebounds, but they lose. 136 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: For the series, he averages twenty nine, seventeen, and five, 137 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: but they lose in five, which speaks to what a 138 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: juggernaut the Lakers still work now. Two thousand and three, 139 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 3: his perfect season. Okay, two thousand and two, he had won, 140 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 3: he'd won an MVP, he wins another one and o 141 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: three and it is truly his perfect season. So what 142 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: does he do? Nineteen sixteen and five. Round one average 143 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: against Phoenix gets the Lakers. In Round two has thirty 144 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: seven and sixteen to end the series, averages twenty eight 145 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 3: to twelve and five for the series. Round three, Western 146 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: armends Finals against Dirk starts the Western armends Finals with 147 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: forty fifteen and seven tied one game apiece. Game three 148 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: has thirty four points, twenty four rebounds, six assists, six 149 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: blocks thirty four to twenty four, six and six to 150 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: go up to one. Averages for the series twenty eight 151 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: seventeen to six and three, and in the finals a 152 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: total annihilation of the nets. Game one of the Finals 153 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: is some of these box scores is so bananas. Game 154 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 3: one of the Finals thirty two points, twenty rebounds, six assists, 155 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: three steals, seven blocks, thirty two to twenty six, three 156 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: and seven, a near quadruple double to end the finals 157 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: twenty one points, twenty rebounds, ten assists, eight blocks, and 158 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 3: for the finals averaged twenty four points, seventeen rebounds, five assists, 159 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 3: five blocks. Just absolutely Banana's production to win his second 160 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: Finals MVP in his second ring. Two thousand and four, 161 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: another round they kept playing the Lakers in round two 162 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: instead of the conference finals. Another round two battle with 163 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 3: the Lakers, they lose after being up two zero. Duncan 164 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: average twenty one to twelve and that's you know the 165 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: famous uh Derek Fisher games that year where Derek Fisher 166 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: hits the point four second shot after Duncan hits the 167 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 3: crazy shot, but Duncan average twenty one to twelve gave 168 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: Shack fits for the series. Two thousand and five, another 169 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: angry playoff run for Duncan thirty nine and fourteen in 170 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: round one against Mellow and Denver to go up three 171 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: to one, twenty five and ten average in round two 172 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: against Ray Allen against National Mary in the Western Conference 173 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: finals twenty seven and fourteen for the series to close 174 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: them out, goes thirty one, fifteen, four and three in 175 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: Game five. Now he's back in the finals against the 176 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: defending champion Pistons. Ben Wallace and Rashid Wallace are their 177 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: front line. He opens the finals with the twenty four 178 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: and seventeen and then it goes seven. In Game seven, 179 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: has twenty five and eleven wins another finals MVP, averaging 180 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: twenty and fourteen against a great defensive team and a 181 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: team that was this close to winning back to back 182 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: titles in the Five Pistons two thousand and six. See 183 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: this is where you remember like man, if not for 184 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: the Derek Fisher shot, does Duncan win the ring that year? 185 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: In four? And then in six what happens? He has 186 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: an all time duel with Dirk and round two average 187 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: thirty two to twelve. For the series down three to one, 188 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: has thirty six and twelve, and then in Game seven 189 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: has forty one, fifteen and six in an overtime loss. 190 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: The what if there is? That's the game where the 191 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: MAVs are down three, Dirk's driving to the basket man 192 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 3: who slaps him on the elbow. Dirk gets the end 193 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: one they end up winning in overtime. They then go 194 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 3: on to lose to the Miami Heat in the finals. 195 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: But that's another gosh with the spersable in that title. 196 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: But seven the angry Duncan years, the years he didn't 197 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: coming off when he didn't win the title. Lookout another ring. 198 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 3: This time he sweeps twenty two year old Lebron the 199 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 3: biggest challenge was again in round two rather than the 200 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: Western Conference Finals, was against Phoenix. He goes for twenty 201 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: seven points, fourteen rebounds, four blocks per game, including a 202 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: thirty three to nineteen game. In the finals, he averaged 203 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: eighteen to twelve. They gave Tony Parker to the finals MVP. 204 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 3: I didn't really agree with it, Dan, I don't agree 205 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 3: with it now, but fine, it's whatever. And then it 206 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 3: looks like maybe we're getting to the end. Oh eight. 207 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 3: He opens his title offense with a forty to fifteen 208 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: to five against Phoenix, averages twenty five to fifteen for 209 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: the series. They lose, though, to the Lakers in the 210 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: Western Roarmends Finals, despite the fact that in game one 211 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: he has a thirty point eighteen rebound, two assists, two 212 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: steeal four block game, and for the in the final 213 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: game of the Western Umens Finals has triple double nineteen points, 214 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: fifteen rebounds, ten assists, but they lose. And then two 215 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: thousand and nine, twenty ten, twenty eleven, he only wins 216 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: one series. His averages dropped to seventeen to ten, and 217 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, okay, all right, So the Spurs, you know, 218 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: they won their four titles in eight years. It's unbelievable, 219 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: but they're done. Twenty twelve, though, it's like, wait, are 220 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: the Spurs gonna win the title? They open the playoffs 221 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 3: with ten straight victories, but then if you remember they're 222 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 3: up too to azer on ok see, then it all 223 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: clicks for OKC. OKC wins four straight. Twenty thirteen, the 224 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: Spurs are back in the finals. We are now fifteen 225 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: years removed from their first championship. In the ray Allen game, 226 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: he has thirty points in seventeen rebounds. In the game. 227 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: To win the title, he has thirty points in s 228 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: seventeen rebounds, including twenty five in the first half. But 229 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: they lose the most heartbreaking championship game ever. In Game seven, 230 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: they lose. Duncan misses that little bunny that could have 231 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: tied the game, but he did put up twenty four 232 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: and twelve. So how do they respond? They win the 233 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: damn title The next year twenty fourteen, he averages eighteen 234 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: and eleven against Durant and OKC to win the Western 235 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: Amorge Finals. At age thirty seven, to win the finals. 236 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 3: To win the Western Arms Finals in six games, he 237 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: averages eighteen and eleven twenty one and ten to open 238 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: the finals, average fifteen and ten, and that year he 239 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: could have won finals MVP. Again they give it to 240 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: Kawhi and then twenty fifteen, he's thirty eight years old. 241 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: They're playing a game seven against the Clippers. That's the 242 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: Chris Paul falling down banking game. He has twenty seven 243 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: and eleven at thirty eight years old. At thirty seven 244 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: years old, he a he averaged. He's eighteen eleven to 245 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: beat Durant. At thirty six years old, he has a 246 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: thirty and seventeen to win the title and Ray Allen 247 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: beats him. He's sixth all time in playoff minutes or 248 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: second old time in playoff minutes, pardon me, sixth all 249 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: time in playoff points, first all time in playoff blocks, 250 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: third all time in playoff rebounds, behind only Wilton Russell. 251 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: He has won one hundred and three career twenty and 252 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: ten playoff games, which is the fourth most all time. 253 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: He's the fifth best player of the last fifty years. 254 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: He is Tim Duncan. We have a Tim Duncan caller. 255 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: Let's squeeze her in Tim Duncan at five. 256 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 5: Finally, finally, I have nothing negative to say he's getting 257 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 5: the respect that he deserves. He has five rings in 258 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 5: three different decades, which PS makes him sound like he's 259 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 5: a hundred, but he's not. 260 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: It just timed out perfectly where that's how it worked out. 261 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 5: Anyways, that's a two time MVP, and PS also let 262 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 5: other members of the team shine. So yes, Tim Duncan 263 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 5: top five. I mean probably could be higher, but five 264 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 5: is fine. 265 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: So listen, five is fine and appreciate miss Beatle help there. 266 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: He couldn't be higher. I have you guys know the 267 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: four names ahead of him. There is no real argument 268 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: to put him ahead of any of those four. But 269 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 3: I also don't think there's any argument to put him 270 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: behind Kobe or Shack or Dream or Bird. I think 271 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: Duncan is solidly where he is the fifth best player 272 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: of the last fifty years. Guy won fifty games every year, 273 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: was one of the in my opinion, the second best 274 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: defensive player on this entire list, behind only a team 275 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: the consonant pro, the consonant teammate, the consonant winner. Tim Duncan. 276 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: We will now get to a player who truly did 277 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: have goat potential but saw his career cut a little 278 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: bit short. You know who he is. We'll discuss him next. 279 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: What's right. Welcome back in as we continue our countdown 280 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: to the fifty greatest players of the last fifty years. 281 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: And now a player that I truly regret that I 282 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 3: was not able to enjoy his prime by watching it live. 283 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: I was alive for a lot of his prime, but 284 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: I was too young to remember it. But when you 285 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: go back and watch these games, playoffs or regular season, 286 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 3: he is just playing the sport differently than anyone ever 287 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: had up to that point, and honestly than anyone ever 288 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 3: has since. Another thing to remember about this man is 289 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: while we go through this, keep in mind he essentially 290 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 3: played twelve years. He had twelve healthy seasons, and then 291 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: the career cut short. He is the fourth greatest player 292 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: of the last fifty years. He is, of course number four. 293 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: Magic Johnson so again twelve years, playing nine time first 294 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: team All NBA, one time second team All NBA. He 295 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: is a three time MVP with nine top three MVP finishes. 296 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 3: Seventy five percent of his SEA seasons, he finished in 297 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 3: the top three in MVP voting. He retired as the 298 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: NBA's all time assist leader. He's now six he's a 299 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 3: four time assist champion. He averaged for his career eleven 300 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: assists per game, and he has won one hundred and 301 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: thirty eight career triple doubles. So that's the top line, 302 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 3: regular season resume stuff, the playoff stuff. It is. Honestly, 303 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: I am just believe me when I tell you I 304 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: left a lot out because there is so much here. 305 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 3: So he's a five time champion, a three time finals MVP, 306 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: and a nine time finalist. So again, nine of his 307 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: twelve years he was top three in the MVP voting. 308 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: Nine of his twelve years he got his team to 309 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: the NBA finals. It's just unbelievable that he had twelve 310 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 3: seasons before the before the HIV diagnosis, and he had 311 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 3: nine top three MVPs, nine finals, five rings three MVPs. 312 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 3: Still the all time playoff leader and assists, retired as 313 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 3: the all time playoff leader in steals, He's now fourth. 314 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: He's the all time playoff leader in triple doubles with thirty. 315 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: Lebron might catch him. Lebron's at twenty eight, but when 316 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: he retired, the second most playoff triple doubles ever was 317 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: Bird with ten. He had thirty He is the all 318 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: time finals leader and assists and steals. His career average 319 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: is twenty and eleven. His career playoff average is twenty 320 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: and twelve. Only Kareem and Lebron in the last fifty 321 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: years have played more finals games. Only Jordan, Kareem and 322 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 3: Lebron in the last fifty years have scored more points 323 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: in the finals. So how to do it well? He 324 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: did it by instantly kicking ass So again, trust me 325 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 3: when I say I had to gloss over some of 326 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: this or else this would have been forty five minutes 327 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: on Magic alone. But we'll start with nineteen eighty his 328 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 3: first two playoff games. He's a rookie. He's a kid too, 329 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 3: because he was young when he came into the league 330 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: on like bird first two playoff games thirteen twelve and sixteen, 331 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: followed by twenty five, thirteen eleven, and six his first 332 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 3: series ever. He averaged a triple double fifteen eleven and eleven. 333 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: And keep in mind with Magic that the we're gonna 334 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: say is points and sometimes points, rebounds, assists, sometimes just 335 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: points and assists. You hear a lot a guy at 336 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: twenty four and seventeen that typically means twenty four points, 337 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 3: seventeen rebounds with magic. If we only give you two numbers, 338 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: remember the second number is assists, because these assists totals 339 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 3: are so bananas. He closed out Seattle in the Western 340 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 3: Governerence Finals as a rookie with twenty ten to ten, 341 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: and then, of course, the game that still might be 342 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: the finest game of his career came as a rookie 343 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: in the finals. No Kareem in game six because Kareem 344 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: is hurt. He plays center and goes forty two points, 345 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: fifteen rebounds, seven assists, playing out of position to win 346 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: the championship as the rookie. As a rookie for the finals, 347 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 3: playing against Doctor J and Philly, averaged twenty one points, 348 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: eleven rebounds, nine assists for the playoffs that year, eighteen 349 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: points per game, eleven rebounds per game, nine assists per game, 350 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: three steals per game. He's twenty years old, nineteen eighty one, 351 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 3: so that was nineteen eighty nineteen eighty one. Loses in 352 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: round one to Moses the guy, also very high on 353 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: our list, despite averaging seventeen points, fourteen rebounds, seven assists. 354 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 3: Now we're to nineteen eighty two. Round one. They sweep 355 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 3: the opposition. He has three round one triple doubles and 356 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: averages twenty twelve and eleven. Western Armends Finals sweeps. The 357 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: Great George Gervin against Doctor J in the finals averages sixteen, 358 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 3: eleven and eight for another Finals MVP and for the playoffs. 359 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: He's now twenty two years old and a two time 360 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: champion and a two time finals MVP. He averages for 361 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 3: the playoffs seventeen points, eleven rebounds, nine assists, three steals 362 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three. Opens his title defense with nineteen points, 363 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 3: nine rebounds, eighteen assists and seven steals nineteen nine eighteen 364 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: seven to open the playoffs. Closes out Round one with 365 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: a twenty five point seven rebound fifteen assist for steal. 366 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 3: Game playing George Gervin again Game four of the Western 367 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 3: Conference Finals thirty one points, eight rebounds, seventeen assists. Again 368 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 3: do you know how bad insane that is? Just throws 369 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 3: up a humble thirty one point eight and seventeen for 370 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 3: the series, averaged eighteen eleven and fourteen. In the reason 371 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: the points were low was Game six of the Western 372 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: Almends Finals. He had one of the most bizarre games ever. 373 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 3: He scored two points, but had fifteen rebounds and sixteen assists. 374 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: Now in the finals they're playing Philly, who again they 375 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: beat nineteen eighty a Philly team that beat them in 376 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 3: nineteen No, Moses beat them in eighty one, but who 377 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 3: they beat nineteen eighty and who they also beat nineteen 378 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 3: eighty two in the finals, and this time Philly has 379 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 3: Moses and Philly sweeps them. But Magic does average nineteen points, 380 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 3: eight rebounds, thirteen assists put up we're being fair six 381 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: turnovers per game still nineteen eight and thirteen for the 382 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: series nineteen eighty four one sweep of the Kings, averages 383 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: twenty two, seven and twelve in round two against Dallas, 384 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: averages seventeen, six and thirteen averaged in the Western Commens 385 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: Finals eighteen six, fifteen and three. Again for Magic is 386 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 3: flu series averages because there's there's too many games like, oh, 387 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: he had nineteen, Sissy had twenty one, a Sissy at eleven. 388 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 3: It's too much. Gets back to the finals, this time 389 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: playing Bird in the Celtics for the first time, averages 390 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: eighteen points, eight rebounds, fourteen assists. But Bird was better 391 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: than him in the series, and it's unbelievable. Magic in 392 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 3: game four, had twenty points, eleven rebounds, seventeen assists, but 393 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 3: missed a couple of free throws and had a bad 394 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: turnover late. And that's the game where people came up 395 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 3: with tragic Johnson again. You think the media has only 396 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 3: been hard now The guy had twenty eleven and seventeen 397 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: was already a two time champion in two times finals 398 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 3: MVP and people are like, oh joker nineteen eighty five, 399 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 3: right after the tragic Johnson label gets thrown on him. 400 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: Opens the playoffs with an eighteen point nineteen assist game, 401 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 3: closes out Drexler and Portland in round two with thirty 402 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: four nine and nineteen thirty four, nine and nineteen in 403 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: a series where he averaged twenty two, seven and seventeen. 404 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: Dude average seventeen assists per game regularly in these playoffs, 405 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 3: gets revenge on Boston beats him in six. In the finals. 406 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: Magic has another just typical for the finals and for 407 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 3: the playoffs eighteen points, seven rebounds, fourteen assists per game. 408 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 3: It's his finals and playoffs averages, getting eighteen seven and 409 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: fourteen doad win Finals MVP Kareem wins nineteen eighty six, 410 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 3: defending champ lose to Houston the Western Conference Finals, and 411 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: for the first time in four years, he does not 412 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: make the finals. In that playoff run were they lose 413 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 3: in Houston to Houston, Magic average twenty one points per game, 414 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 3: six rebounds per game, fifteen assists per game. It's too 415 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: many insane games to list them all again. He averaged 416 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: twenty one, six and fifteen for the postseason run nineteen 417 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 3: eighty seven, wins League MVP for the first time, and 418 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: guess what he's gonna be back in the finals. Missed 419 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: the finals for a year, said that it was whack. 420 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: Let's go back to the finals. Run to the finals, 421 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: the Lakers go eleven to one. He averages on the 422 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 3: way to the finals twenty eight and twelve, and then 423 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: in the finals it's the rubber match with Boston. Game one, 424 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: Magic Johnson twenty nine points, eight rebounds, thirteen assists. Game two, 425 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 3: Magic Johnson twenty two points, five rebounds, twenty assists. Game three, 426 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: Magic Johnson thirty two points, eleven rebounds, nine assists. For 427 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: this series, twenty six points per game, eight rebounds per game, 428 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 3: thirteen assists per game, and another Finals MVP nineteen eighty 429 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 3: eight another year, So yeah, It's probably time for Magic 430 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 3: to make the finals again, this one not quite as easy. 431 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 3: Round two Game seven against Malone and stocked It twenty three, 432 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 3: nine and sixteen against against Stockton's one of the best 433 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 3: defensive point guards ever twenty three to nine and sixteen. 434 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: That Round two go seven, Round three goes seven against 435 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: Dallas in game seven, Magic twenty four, nine and eleven. 436 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: Another seven game series in the finals. This should have 437 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: been Magic's MVP. They gave it to Worthy because Worthy 438 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: of the unbelievable Game seven. But Magic in those finals 439 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: averaged twenty one points, six rebounds, thirteen assists. Don't bring 440 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 3: those finals up to Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons. They 441 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 3: think that should have been there is understand it still Magic. 442 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: If the Lakers are gonna win it, Magic's probably got 443 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: to be finals MVP. Despite what Worthy did twenty one, 444 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 3: six and thirteen. Nineteen eighty nine, Magic wins another league MVP. 445 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 3: They're going for three straight titles. They sweep their way 446 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: to the finals. And this is one of the things 447 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 3: that has forgotten about Magic's career. They're going for three 448 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: straight titles. Magic is League MVP. They sweep the entire 449 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 3: Western route to the finals. Magic averages twenty points, seven rebounds, 450 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 3: thirteen assists in route to the finals. In the finals, 451 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 3: Detroit is awesome, but we also never know what will 452 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 3: happen because Magic got hurt in game two and they 453 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: get swept. Magic misses games. He gets hurt in game two, 454 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 3: so we don't know. I think Detroit probably wins no 455 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: matter what. But heart it is a it's hard to prove. 456 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: Let me put it like that. In that ended an 457 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: eight year stretch of seven finals appearances in four titles. 458 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: Overall in the eighties, he had eight finals appearances in 459 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: five titles in that decade. Nineteen ninety Kareem is now retired. 460 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: Magic wins another MVP, but they lose to Phoenix in 461 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 3: around to despite and this is what was amazing about 462 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: Magic all those games. I told you he's not scoring 463 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 3: forty in really any of them. Kareem retires in the playoffs, 464 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 3: they're facing adversity Games four and five against Phoenix. Forty 465 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: three points in game four, forty three points in game five. 466 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: Averages for the playoffs twenty five, six and thirteen, nineteen 467 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: ninety one, it's been a year not being in the finals. 468 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: Like we said, Magic didn't go multiple years without being 469 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: in the finals, so nineteen ninety one he's back in 470 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: the finals. Average twenty three, eight and thirteen in the 471 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 3: playoffs leading up to the finals. In round one, he 472 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: had a twenty assist game and a thirty eight point game. 473 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: In the same series, round two, he had a forty 474 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: four point game and averaged in round two a triple 475 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 3: double twenty six, ten and thirteen. This nineteen ninety one. 476 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: This is his twelfth year in the league. In the 477 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 3: Western Conference Finals, averages twenty one to eight and thirteen 478 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: against Portland, who's the defending conference champs. They're facing MJ's Bulls. 479 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: Game one is a triple double, but then they lose 480 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,239 Speaker 3: three straight down three to one. Magic did put up 481 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: in game five sixteen eleven and twenty assist, playing all 482 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: forty eight, but it's not enough and then he's diagnosed 483 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: with HIV so again. Nine years first year Finals MVP Champion, 484 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: second year Finals MVP Champion, sixth year Champion, eighth year 485 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 3: League MVP, ninth year League or tenth year League MVP, 486 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 3: with three more titles mixed in there. Year twelve back 487 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: in the finals and could have won a couple of 488 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 3: years prior, but lost in the finals when he got hurt. 489 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 3: And then he gets diagnosed with HIV and his career 490 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 3: is over, but not actually so. He's out of basketball 491 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 3: for four full seasons, comes back at age thirty six 492 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: after missing his age thirty two to thirty three to 493 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: thirty four in thirty five seasons. In his first game 494 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 3: back after four years out of basketball nineteen eight and ten, 495 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: he played the two time defending champion Rockets in Round 496 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 3: one of the playoffs. An average for the series twenty 497 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 3: three or average of the first two games of the series. 498 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: I should say twenty three to ten and four. He's 499 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: thirty six years old. He's been out of the league 500 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 3: for four years. But then that's it, and the career 501 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 3: is over. One one hundred and forty three career ten 502 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: assist playoff games, a two full seasons of double digit 503 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: assist playoff games. Ten career twenty assist playoff games. Little 504 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 3: context there. The rest of NBA history combined has ten 505 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: twenty assists payoff games. Magic has ten, and the career 506 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 3: was cut. I don't know, three four five years short. 507 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: He's the fourth greatest player of the last fifty years. 508 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 3: Magic Johnson let's go to a couple of magic callers. 509 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: Is joke time? What of I had to holler at you, 510 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: Nick is Calvin Man and I heard you got magic 511 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 3: in the top five. Matter of fact, you got magic 512 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 3: in them before you see he's smiling. I'm smiling because 513 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: that's the right place for him, right transcend It six 514 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 3: foot nine running a point, dropping dives. Two Bucs said, 515 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: how do you want it? You want rebounds, assist points, 516 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: it don't matter. He delivered five rings. Transcend It on 517 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: and off the court, The Magic Man. 518 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 4: I did some research on Magic Johnson, trying to find 519 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 4: the most interesting thing possible. Here's what I came up 520 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 4: with Isaiah Thomas on open Court a few years ago. 521 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 4: I'll read you the quote. In this era, we would 522 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 4: be talking about Magic Johnson as probably one of the 523 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: greatest centers to ever play the game. Hmmm, food for thought. 524 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 4: I liked it. What do you think? 525 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 3: I agree? I think Magic is truly positionless, could dominated 526 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 3: any spot, and in this era where you don't have 527 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: to defend dominant centers, could be the ultimate small ball 528 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: cheap code. The only question about Magic is if not 529 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: for Hi, would he be considered the goat if he 530 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 3: would have kept playing. Keep in mind he has five rings. 531 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 3: Is it likely he would have gotten one more? I 532 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: think so? If he gets one more, is it one 533 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 3: of the years Jordan won? And would Jordan now have five? 534 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: And Magic of six? Kareem is in the Goat conversation. 535 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: Kaream has six, but Kaream won five of his alongside Magic. 536 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: He is. I can't call him underrated, but it is, 537 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: you know, a little frustrating to me when I heard 538 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: people arguing, is Steph the greatest point guard ever? No, 539 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 3: the conversation the greatest point guard ever starts at number 540 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 3: two because Magic Johnson transcended the rankings. He is, without questioning, 541 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 3: the greatest point guard of all time. He is the 542 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 3: fourth greatest player of the last fifty years. And if 543 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 3: we did all time, would he still be the fourth 544 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 3: greatest player? Would I have him ahead of Wilton Russell? 545 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: I would. 546 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 3: He's the fourth greatest player of the last fifty years. 547 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: Also the fourth greatest player ever. Irvin Magic Johnson, We'll 548 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 3: be right back, all right, Welcome back in fifty greatest 549 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 3: Players the last fifty years. And next week we get 550 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 3: into our top three. And for the final three they 551 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 3: each have stand alone episodes, and I want to reveal 552 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,959 Speaker 3: something here. I originally made this list three years ago, 553 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 3: and obviously there have been some major changes since then. 554 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 3: Three years ago, Giannis wasn't on it. Now he's in 555 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 3: the top Twenty three years ago, different guys active players 556 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 3: had to move up. And by the way, I had 557 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 3: a few guys on it that haven't played in years 558 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 3: and years. They got kicked off. For example, Pistol Pete 559 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 3: was on my initial list and then I really dug 560 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 3: into it and I said he can't be on the 561 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: initial list. So there's been some movement. The movement was 562 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 3: pretty except for guys like Yannis Katie Steph. There wasn't 563 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 3: a lot of movement amongst the very very best guys 564 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 3: except for in the top three. And I know everybody 565 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 3: already thinks they know how this list is ending, and 566 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 3: they think they have, you know, they have figured out 567 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 3: how this thing's going to go one through five. What 568 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 3: I will tell you is this, six months ago, I 569 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 3: had a different top three than I currently have, and 570 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 3: it has to do with digging into the full depth 571 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 3: and width of all of these guys' careers, which is 572 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 3: why I think maybe I'm wrong I think most of 573 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 3: you will be surprised by who I have at number three, 574 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 3: But everyone left you know who they are. Kareem has left, 575 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 3: Michael has left, Lebron is left, has an argument to 576 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 3: be the greatest player ever. We will just go us 577 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 3: each of them within the context of why they are 578 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 3: or are not the greatest player ever, as we give 579 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: a full episode to each of our last three. As 580 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 3: we amazingly finish off our countdown of the fifty greatest 581 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 3: players of the last fifty years, the number three coming 582 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 3: to you next week.