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Speaker 1: I'm at Joe Grande fifty two today on the show.

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Speaker 1: This guy right here, Jeremy Gardner, the founder of made Man,

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Speaker 1: a k a. The Crypto King. You can find him

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Speaker 1: online at get made man dot com. That's the website.

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Speaker 1: On Instagram, it's at made Man. Are at made dot

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Speaker 1: mansion for a very good time. That is, if you

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Speaker 1: want to go party in the Beverly Hills mentioned and

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Speaker 1: go find where all the elite live. The one per centers.

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Speaker 1: Made Man is a skin products for men, break free

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Speaker 1: from the bad skin. A strong and simple solution to

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Speaker 1: every facial problem. Basically you can go and unfunck your face.

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Speaker 1: And his dude is featured in everything. When I say everything,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at your website right now. Jeremy. First off,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show. Man My pleasure,

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Speaker 1: and you're on you know every l A weekly New

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Speaker 1: Our Time, Jah who live daily Angela. All this stuff

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Speaker 1: you've just been talked about everywhere asking around the streets. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: people are talking to you, we get you here. Talk

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Speaker 1: about the product, Jeremy. First off, for those who don't know,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into it later. The old crypto king

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Speaker 1: how you made your big money, which is a great

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Speaker 1: story in itself from what I keep hearing secondhand, I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to hear it from you. But I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about made men first. Sure, I'd love to

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Speaker 1: talk about made Man. I love the product that you brought.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, you didn't bring it? Yeah about okay, well

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Speaker 1: you know what. I'm not gonna throw it a hold

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Speaker 1: that against you too bad, but I would just point

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Speaker 1: out and we're gonna get you guys. And I thought,

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Speaker 1: I thought when it said go unfund your face, because

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Speaker 1: up with nothing. So I'm like, my face is going on.

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Speaker 1: I'm all fun I got fucked here. Now you're fucked

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Speaker 1: and I'll have to unfunck you. Yes, well, Jeremy, I look,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get unfuncked about you. What is

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Speaker 1: exactly made men? Obviously in the headline break Free from

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Speaker 1: ad Skin, A strong and simple solution to every facial problem.

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Speaker 1: You're a young cat. It looks like I would sit

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Speaker 1: roll the dice and say between twenty and thirty, righty,

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Speaker 1: how old are you? Okay? And the funny thing is

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Speaker 1: You're actually the good looking gentleman that's in the website

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Speaker 1: putting the skincare. You have this really hot looking chick

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Speaker 1: skinny queen herself. No, that not not. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know those photos were taking a long time ago. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was a profile of that that was like.

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Speaker 1: That was when I was like just getting started. I

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Speaker 1: what the founder does. The founder is the model this

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Speaker 1: But but but your face, like like I can discern

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Speaker 1: Out there Planet thirteen in Orange County, the grand opening

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Speaker 1: But bottom line, Planet thirteen Orange County is the largest

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Speaker 1: That all being said, Jeremy, let's get into the CBD

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Speaker 1: leave it on too long, you're screwed. And and so

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Speaker 1: I I, you know, when I was younger, I had

427
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Speaker 1: you know, heavy acting issues and stuff, and so I

428
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Speaker 1: went through that that kind of you know process, and

429
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: so you know, I think what you've done is simplified

430
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Speaker 1: something which is amazing. You know, step one and step two.

431
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: Step one is the resetter. Step two is the refresher. Yeah.

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00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: I love the content. It makes a lot of sense.

433
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Speaker 1: And and then I think that that appeals more to

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Speaker 1: the massive, especially for men, because you, like I said,

435
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: we have kind of a very short, you know, mindset.

436
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Speaker 1: We're just like, uh, you can't do too many things,

437
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And if you do, God

438
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Speaker 1: bless you. But instant gratification. And so what I did

439
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: was I made it a sensory experience. I I put

440
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Speaker 1: in mental lactate, which is kind of like a mental fooling,

441
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: tinkling con sensation when you put it on. And then uh,

442
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: and and then we have eucalyptus and both the products,

443
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: which is it just smells like a spa. It's it's

444
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: actually according to the dermatologists, I worked with the most

445
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: universally beloved scent by man. You know what That's true.

446
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: When I go to the spa, I just sit there

447
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: and all I want is one of those fruit flavored waters.

448
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, I just sit back

449
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: and I feel so cucumbers on your eye, and I

450
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: just want to read to everybody out here, what's on

451
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: the website. The resetter is a facial cleanser and shaving gel.

452
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: I personally love that it's a shaving gel. I can't

453
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Speaker 1: wait to try it when I get home. Oh wait,

454
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: I won't. But when I do try it, I know,

455
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: I just like the bus balls. It's just fun for me.

456
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: The point is it's deep and gentle cleansing, anti aging,

457
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: anti inflammation, smooth exfoliation, no razor burns. I used to

458
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: get a lot of moisture, retention, antioxidant rich reduces tackiness.

459
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: What is tackiness like skin thickness? Yeah? Yeah, Like it's

460
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: like stickiness, Like, oh really something I don't get that,

461
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: I think. So that's the reset, just the found us.

462
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: There was a word. I didn't know that. Everything else

463
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Speaker 1: I can understand. Why tackiness. I'm like tackiness. I look

464
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: at yeah, I mean I look at it a a different term.

465
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: It's a tacky it's sticky, sticky in your face, it's rough, okay.

466
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: And then the refresher and all in one, moisturized remoisturization,

467
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: rapid skin enhancement, sensational cooling experience, pollution protection, blue light

468
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: protection which most of this you mentioned, harmful ray reduction,

469
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: red spot reduction, and anti inflammatory and then you don't

470
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: even mention it here the CBD that's on there, which

471
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: is kind of what's the what's the twist there? Um, Yeah,

472
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it because when you put it

473
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: there now all the eyes are going, oh, it's a

474
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: CBD product and it's treated completely different. Oh yeah, your

475
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: your payment processing rates go up seven percent. Yeah. So

476
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: I got lucky and that we had CBD on the

477
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: website before we launch, but it was live and and

478
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say the name because it's one of

479
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: the major payment processors said oh, we can't work with you.

480
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: You know, you need to use a high risk processor.

481
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, high risk? What's high risk about this? There's

482
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: like literally one percent of our solution is CBD and

483
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: thirty milligrams you know, use over two months. Like it's yeah,

484
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: it's like, there's nothing high risk. We're not we're not

485
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: selling this as a CBD product. But as a result,

486
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: we don't put it anywhere on our website. We don't

487
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: put it on our social media. Like you can find it.

488
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: There's like a PDF of our ingredients, so like you

489
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: you can see it there, but back of the jar

490
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: even on that, No, it's not no, it's not featured

491
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: on the jar. Yeah, I mean, I mean I I

492
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Speaker 1: talk about it as a product to have ECBD because

493
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: I think most of the anti inflammatory is on the

494
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: market are awful, like like you don't want to put

495
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: any of that ship on your Yeah, you wouldn't believe. Yeah.

496
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: So so CBD is hands down the best natural anti

497
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: inflammatory solution. And I wanted to create an all natural,

498
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: organic product. We are vegan, we are cruelty free. But

499
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 1: it was it was like scientifically impossible to create a

500
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: solution that was all in one and a's robust as

501
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: a solution that we have and also have it be

502
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: all natural in organic. We would have had to have

503
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: four or five products. And your packaging, I gotta give

504
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: it to you dogs. It looks really nice because we

505
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: had some boxes. Your boxes are here. You have to

506
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: stop giving me ship Yes, made man talk about the

507
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: path packaging blue. First off, is this what you get

508
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: when you buy it? And you already we just upgraded

509
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: our boxes. But that's that's the shipping box. Now, you

510
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: know what, This box doesn't look like it's been in

511
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: your car, so that's fine, but it's still a nice,

512
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: beautiful black box. I'm not gonna you know. Actually, I'll

513
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: be honest. This is clean. Yeah, it's clean. It's it's

514
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: a little letter I wrote. I got kind of I

515
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: got sentimental. It was one of those nights where you

516
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: I just couldn't sleep and I had the white board

517
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: out and I just I was like, what do I

518
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: put on the inside of the box. And I was like,

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00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: do you remember what it says? Exactly? Well, let me

520
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: let me, let me refresh your memory, because I'm already

521
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: reading a little bit of this and hands down, this

522
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: type of touch right here, it already makes me feel

523
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: like I'm like, I'm closer to you. Honestly, he's by

524
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: buying the product like anybody knows you, and it's you.

525
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm like, I looked and then I

526
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: look on the bottom because I didn't read it all yet,

527
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: but I look on the bottom and there's a signature

528
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: and it says Jeremy Gardner, Founder and CEO Made min Inc.

529
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: So here's the letter that you get when you open

530
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: it up. We are living in strange times and miss

531
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: all this madness. The last thing you should be worrying

532
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: about is your skin. With made Men, you don't have

533
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: to simply reset and refresh. When you put your best

534
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: face forward, nothing can stop you. So go on and

535
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: get made. Men. That is fucking dope, all the best.

536
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: Jeremy Gardner, that's how dog, that's that's that's I feel

537
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: that I do. And you know what, now, now I've

538
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: already had one of these in my hands, and you'll

539
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: see and you'll see the CBDs featured right at the top.

540
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, we had some on the desk before Janet

541
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: was pimping it out over here already talking about for

542
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: a minute, and I already felt it if you look

543
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: right here, like CBD right all right, it's there, like

544
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to feature CBD and I actually it did

545
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: not even occur to me when I started the company

546
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: that it would cause such issues. Mask in here too.

547
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: Now for the people who need to face mask, which

548
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: is to protect your face. You know, we're done with that.

549
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: God William Yoo Box. I like the red in the

550
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: black and this and the first one is the resetter.

551
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: It's a little bigger bottle. This is the one that

552
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: you use as a shaving yeah. Oh yeah, it's a

553
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: little white cream. Oh it feels good. Actually was actually

554
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: using you may need to wash that off is because

555
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna burn. That's a cleanser. No, no, no, you guys,

556
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: I got that good actually designed it. So we don't

557
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: really advertise this, but because of the eucalyptus, you can

558
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: actually like the amount he used, a small amount. You

559
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: can rub it on your face and use it as

560
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: an after shape. Sure, I feel like that right now.

561
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: And it smells wonderful. This one doesn't smell like they

562
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: try the refresher, though you give the discripscription of the refresher.

563
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: I just get this is the one with the red tops.

564
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: Open the little help here. Hold, I got it, I

565
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: got it, I got he just dropped it. Folks. You

566
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: know how that goes. You know. I like this honestly,

567
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: the boxes like I feel like I'm getting something cool,

568
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's one of the it

569
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: could do in the way it comes out of nice.

570
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: You gotta twist the top off it does. It looks

571
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: like a detonator. James Bond said that it has a

572
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: twist star. Yeah, it looks like your dog when it

573
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: gets excited. If it's a boy, that's fresh. The little

574
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: red lipstick comes out nice. Actually. Okay, so look, first

575
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: of all. When it came out. It wasn't what I

576
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be. Because there's no smearing on

577
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: your face. Wow, there's no residue. It's it's hard for

578
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: Blue though, because he always face looks like it anyways,

579
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's gonna do anything. Kind

580
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: a warm in here. It feels cool. It smells. It's

581
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: like a beer on a summer afternoon. It's really nice.

582
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: It's nice and it actually makes me feel I'm going

583
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: to use this one smells at the spot. Oh, this

584
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: is amazing. Oh, I mean I'm gonna use it. I

585
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: mean I can feel it. Actually, it feels it's got

586
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: a little tingle. I've got a little like a little

587
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It feels good. I can't

588
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, Jeremy, I cannot wait to

589
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: shave with this. I'm the guy that shades with a

590
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: pump soap, a pump soap on my face. I mean,

591
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: but look at this. I'm a old you know, Mexican

592
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: Indian dog. You know I got that good pigmentation. Thank god.

593
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, who knows how long it's gonna last. That's

594
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: what happens with the latinos. Say look young until they

595
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: look old, and Jeffy, Jeffy, I agree with one thousand percent.

596
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: That's why I'm excited about this. And my my wife's

597
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: gonna get mad at me because this is what happens.

598
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: She's been killing me for years. Try to right, and

599
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: I'll do some things here and there. And I have

600
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: one that I have in the draw that I've been

601
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: using for a little bit. But for some weird, stupid reason,

602
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: I feel like that company they it was a woman's

603
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: line and they made one for a man. I didn't.

604
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't feel it and doesn't and this does a

605
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: little feel it like manly. It's made for man. Yeah,

606
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not made for a man. You know,

607
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: it's not macho. It's just it's just a vibe that

608
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: most guys are gonna appreciate. I I go to the

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Speaker 1: website get made Men dot com, g E T M A,

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Speaker 1: D E M A and dot com, or go to

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00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,840
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00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: we'll see what we're talking about. Jeremy. This product looks

613
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: still when we come back, we may still talk a

614
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: little bit about the product. But I do want to

615
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: come back and talk about the crypto chime. Because the

616
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: funny thing is is, as we heard him mentioned why

617
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Speaker 1: he was on the news before, because this is we're

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Speaker 1: what typeans are. Well, you should investigate. Maybe you need

636
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Speaker 1: to get in the game. Then yeah, and what time

637
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Speaker 1: is it, Joe? You gotta know that G four Live

638
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Speaker 1: is going down at the Mandalay Bay Guys, Okay, September

639
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Speaker 1: twenty nine, October second, Las Vegas. And I'll tell you what.

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00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: We have a lineup coming out of artists that are

641
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: gonna be there that it's gonna be amazing, some keynote

642
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: speakers that are gonna be absolutely incredible to listen to,

643
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: and yours, truly Cannabis Talk one on one will be

644
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: the And right now we are here with Jeremy Gardner,

645
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: the founder of made Man a k a. The Crypto King,

646
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: and I believe we're gonna go into the crypto kink

647
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Speaker 1: side of talk to us. Man, how did this come about?

648
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: How did you make your big old pillowcase? Yes, oh, man,

649
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean I've got so I've got it like a

650
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Speaker 1: one minute, two minute, five minute, ten minute memoir long

651
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: versions of this story and I'll try. I don't mind

652
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: hearing the ten minute doc if you can get me,

653
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: because I'm sure you know we usually but when people

654
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: make millions, come on, I'm here to listen, I want

655
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: to soak up the game. All right. Well, it's so

656
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: a bit a bit of context. Grew up in a

657
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: small town, uh western Massachusetts, very middle class roots. Uh

658
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, I was never really motivated by money. It

659
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: was just funny for someone that became, you know, a

660
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: multi millionaire at twenty five, but it was ever really

661
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: a motivation for me. Um. But I new I wanted

662
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: to make a big impact on the world. So when

663
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: I was a freshman, and call you guys, remember Occupy

664
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: Wall Street took over Potti Park in Manhattan, but then

665
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: spread all over the world. Um. Actually, a former student

666
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: from my college had been one of the initial organizers,

667
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: and so they had we had started going down right

668
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: when it started, going to all the protests every weekend,

669
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: and it felt like we were accomplishing something. We were

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00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: on the front of every newspaper, had spread to like

671
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: capitals around the world. It felt like, you know, maybe

672
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: we would create change in this really fucked up financial

673
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: system in which no one had been held accountable in

674
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: the wake of the Great Recession. And of course, as

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00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: you know in retrospect, that never happened. Uh, you know,

676
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: I think I think Occupied paved the way for you're

677
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: young twenty some year old going let's go try to

678
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: change the world. But it paved the pathway for folks

679
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Warren, Bernie sandersc. But but at a legislative

680
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: or even just like institutional level in the banks, nothing changed, uh,

681
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: And and nobody was held accountable despite a lot of

682
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: the horrible crimes that were committed. And so I became

683
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: disillusioned with activism. And I had looked up to like

684
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Gandhi and Martin Luther King growing up, and so that

685
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: that seemed like that felt like a moment where I

686
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of seized it. And you know, didn't you had

687
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: a dream? Yeah you have to take from okay, but

688
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: well well but you know what I'm okay did that

689
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: occupied didn't and Gandhi did. Uh that occupied didn't is

690
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: that they had demands. They made demands, and the occupied

691
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: folks were never willing to make demands. They just said

692
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: we want change. Change doesn't happen unless you have demands.

693
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: So that what you want to change? What do you

694
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: want to change? But you know that sense that sense

695
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: like that, that felt like a very unique moment in

696
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: time I had been somewhat involved in when I was

697
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: in high school with Barack Obama's first campaign once again

698
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: felt like a monumental moment. But you know, activism just

699
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: it's long, hard and gruel. I talk about instant gratification

700
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: like we were before. You know, I like instant gratification.

701
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: I didn't see activism being that path. And so I

702
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: ended up actually working for the governor Massachusetts um over

703
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: the summer before my junior year of college. And then

704
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Speaker 1: when I dropped out a month later from the college,

705
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: I was ended up. We're getting the campaign of the

706
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Speaker 1: woman who's now Attorney General of Massachusetts. And uh, what

707
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: I discovered in those experiences was that if I spent

708
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: my twenties in politics, it was going to be raising

709
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: money and pushing papers once again, and gratification wasn't for me.

710
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: And so I had this period of cognitive dissonance. I

711
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: was actually pushing a lot of weed. I was moving

712
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: a ton of weed at this time while I figured

713
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Speaker 1: if I was going to go back to school or not.

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Speaker 1: Some back home as as I was moving from New York.

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Speaker 1: It was a serious No, it was a serious trafficking operation.

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00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, but then then some wild like made

717
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: for movie stuff happened, and I end up feeling I

718
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: had to get out of town, so I went back

719
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Speaker 1: to college. I went to Michigan and I happened to

720
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Speaker 1: move in with a young bitcoin enthusiasts. This is in January,

721
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: and I had come across bitcoin back inn when the

722
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: silk Road had to come online and been become a

723
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Speaker 1: big thing. Because the silk Road, well, the way I

724
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: learned about it was in Rolling Stones annual Hot issue

725
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: and they called it the hot black market. Amazon dot

726
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: com ums on tour, this anonymised internet browser and you

727
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: went on it and it was literally an online drug,

728
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Speaker 1: bizarre for anything you could have remember, it was peer reviewed.

729
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Speaker 1: It was incredible. I mean I thought it was the

730
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Speaker 1: most amazing thing ever. Uh. And that's why I discovered bitcoin,

731
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: because bitcoin was what was used to transact on it. Uh.

732
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Speaker 1: But as enamored as I was a silk Road, when

733
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Speaker 1: I tried to figure out how to buy bitcoin, I

734
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh fuck, this is too yeah. I mean,

735
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: well now and now it's as easy as opening up

736
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Speaker 1: your cash app or patients and say by But back

737
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Speaker 1: then it was not like that you had to go

738
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Speaker 1: and send money to some dude's bank account in Japan

739
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: and get approved by him. It was it was very sketchy.

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Speaker 1: That was Mount Cox, which would later implode. In fact,

741
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: it would implode sure right when I got into the industry.

742
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: But just before that, I rediscovered bitcoin in late because

743
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Speaker 1: I you know, when I had you know, been looking

744
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: at Silk Road, it had been worth like five ten

745
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Speaker 1: dollars a bitcoin. Uh. Now it was worth like a

746
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: hundred going towards two hundred dollars. And I was looking.

747
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Speaker 1: I was looking at the market, which had been evolved

748
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: a bit more in the couple of years since I

749
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: first looked at it, and there was just like all

750
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Speaker 1: this by side demand for bitcoin. And you know, I know,

751
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: I knew financial markets. I've been you know, investing in

752
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Speaker 1: the stock market with money from weed uh for years

753
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: because that was something I started a long time ago.

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00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: And I uh and you know, I felt comfortable in

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00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: the financial markets enough to you know, say, hey, I'll

756
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: get in on this bitcoin stuff and see where it goes.

757
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: And within I think two months, went from you know,

758
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Speaker 1: two hundred dollars a thousand dollars. I took my you know,

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00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 1: five ext return was like, look, I don't know about

760
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: this bitcoin thing. It's clearly good for buying drugs on

761
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: the internet, and it's clearly good for speculating. But I

762
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: think this is a big pump and dump. I transferred

763
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Speaker 1: to Michigan, you know, like a month or two later,

764
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: and uh and sure enough bitcoin starts to collapse. Mount Cox,

765
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Speaker 1: which was that early crypto exchange. It was originally math Magic,

766
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: the gathering online exchange. It was for Magic trading cards,

767
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: and they converted it for trading bitcoin, which was not

768
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: good infrastructure, so that ended up getting hacked. You know.

769
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Speaker 1: I think it was like something like like ten percent

770
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: of all bitcoin and circulation disappear yard um. And and

771
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: you know, it was a strange time for someone like

772
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: me to get into the industry because everyone's like, okay,

773
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: bitcoin's debt, Like they're like, it just went up to

774
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars. Now it's collapse, saying it's clearly just

775
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: a scam, like you know, all this money just got stolen.

776
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: I think that the lowest point from like the eleven

777
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: d market went down to a hundred and fifty dollars.

778
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: That's typically what bitcoin does. So bitcoin will go up

779
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: in these massive rallies and then we'll collapse down to

780
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, the highest point that had ever been previously,

781
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: but still it's down and everyone's like, oh, it's dead.

782
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: That's why you can't really listen to the people. So

783
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: so I I had some money from the weeds stuff, uh,

784
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: that I had saved up, but I was like kind

785
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: of commitced it was going to go lower, because keep

786
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: in mind it's still around a thousand hundred dollars at

787
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: this time. Um. But really shortly after you know, reading

788
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: the Bitcoin white Paper by Satoshi Nakamoto, the anonymous creator,

789
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: and watchington videos about us, like oh wow, this is

790
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: like a powerful technology. This is not just about money,

791
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: but it's about the ability to trust us really transact

792
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: value of any sort with anyone anywhere in the world

793
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: with an Internet connection. And and and for someone that

794
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: understands what's happened a lot of developing economies with hyper inflation,

795
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: which happened with all sorts, I mean entrepreneurs in the

796
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: cannabis industry here getting their cash seas by the government.

797
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: The idea that you could have had million dollars, millions

798
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: of dollars just with a few words memorized in your head,

799
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: that nobody could seize what it was. It was a

800
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: very powerful idea, and it seemed like a tool for

801
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: uplifting the disenfranchised. And you know, two billion or three

802
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: billion people don't have access to any sort of traditional

803
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: financial services, so you know, the idea that there could

804
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: be this global internet money that anybody with a cell

805
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: connection could could access was really interesting. And so I

806
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: learned that there's a bitcoin club at the University of Michigan,

807
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: and I go to the first meet up that semester um.

808
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: This is still I think January, uh, And at the

809
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: first bitcoin club meet up, a reporter from USA Today

810
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: comes and she's like, I'm writing about bitcoin clubs and

811
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's more than one of these, like

812
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: not talking about what could we could do with this? Yeah,

813
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: And it turns out that there were bitcoin clubs at

814
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: M I T and Stanford. Oh only those establishedent well,

815
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: those are the ones she had spoken to. And I

816
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: was like, hey, do you because a light bulb goes

817
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: off in my head because you think about my uh

818
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: experience in both like activism and political organizing. I'm like,

819
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity. So I get on a call

820
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: with the heads of the M I T and Stanford

821
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: clubs that night. They they were super responsive, and you know,

822
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: they're all talking about their respective successes and failures as

823
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: organizations and plans. I'm still all very new to it,

824
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: so I'm just kind of passively, but that by the

825
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: end of the call, I suggest, hey, why don't we

826
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: just create like a loose organization bringing together all the

827
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Speaker 1: bitcoin clubs, pulling together our resources, because back then there

828
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: were no books or no textbooks. Now there's tons of them,

829
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: but they were there, like there were just a couple

830
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: like crappy online videos and a few overly technical or

831
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: politicized articles online, like there wasn't that yeah, well or

832
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: just it just wasn't accessible. And and I had the

833
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: sense that if this was happening at MT Michigan and

834
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: Stanford's probably having a lot of other schools, we should

835
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: get all these students together. So with the head of

836
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Speaker 1: the Michigan club and with the blessings of the Stanford

837
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: and M I t guys who weren't very involved, but

838
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: they're like, sure, go ahead, I went and incorporated a nonprofit.

839
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Had no idea what I was doing, but you know,

840
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: I took the money that I had from the Weeds

841
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: stuff a few months prior and just like, you know,

842
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: set up our social media. We went on all the

843
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: message boards, we went on all the email lists that

844
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: we could find. We went on I I started my

845
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Twitter account, and you know, we just said, hey, if

846
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: you're a college student, you have a bitcoin club where

847
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: you want to start one reach out, We'd love to

848
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: make you a part of the king. So that was

849
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: the what is now called the Blockchain Education Network. And

850
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, within three months, we had over a hundred

851
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: chapters in twenty plus countries on every habitable continent. And

852
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: and you know, my efforts got the notice, Like I

853
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: got a big feature in Entrepreneur magazine, I got other press,

854
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: and suddenly I became kind of At the time, I

855
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: was literally all my money was going into that, and

856
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: so I was losing money, which just crazy to think

857
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: about bitcoin because you think about now you think people

858
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: are like, oh, we got rich off a bitcoin. But

859
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: the thing was is when I got into bitcoin, I

860
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: literally was losing money on an educational nonprofit. I like,

861
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: I really believed in the technology, like and you know

862
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: that there's clear evidence to prove that, and so I

863
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: was suddenly asked to speak at conferences. And back then

864
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: there were probably less than a hundred bitcoin companies, like

865
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: you know we did. There wasn't even the job blockchain technology,

866
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: and so there are less than a hundred companies. So

867
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm meeting all the CEOs, all these guys that I'm

868
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: watching online, watching their talks, reading about like all the

869
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: biggest guys in crypto. I'm meeting like at these conferences.

870
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of traveling in the four old one. Yeah,

871
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: and so I I get in at the ground level

872
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: because keep in mind, the prices now at this point

873
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: really collapsed. It's at like two hundred of dollars a

874
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: hundred fifty dollars. It's that you know, most people have

875
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: forgotten about bitcoin at this point or or have disregarded it.

876
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: So it's it's a very cult like small group of

877
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: real true believers and and you know out of the

878
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: box thinkers that are going no, this is gonna pop, yeah,

879
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: or total ding bats, But well, this is what's crazy.

880
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Bloombrigs said that if bitcoin hits uh two hundred thousand

881
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: dollars of coin, which is only it's just more than

882
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: four times what it is right now, or five times

883
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: what it is right now. Oh, I think at a

884
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: minimum it will be a million dollars a bitcoin, but

885
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, twenty or thirty years. But but at two

886
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a bitcoin, half the world's billionaires will

887
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: be from crypto. That's a lot of power. That is

888
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: a lot and a lot of ding bats. But honestly,

889
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: you look at a lot of the rich guys in

890
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: the world and you're like, I don't want them having

891
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: that much power. So a bunch of guys that love

892
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: bitcoin and like freedom, I'm all for it, you know. Uh.

893
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: But but as a result of this, of starting this nonprofit,

894
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: I meet this brilliant eighteen year old computer scientists that

895
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: started uh the Bitcoin club at Pomona College right nearby

896
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: here at and uh and he was, you know, totally

897
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: different than me. You know, he's on this spec drum

898
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: like a nerdy programmer. He had built like like an

899
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 1: old Macintosh computer when he was like twelve years old,

900
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: like like like I was not a computer. It's a

901
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: total nerd. But but on a business level, we just

902
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: saw ey die. We just like got each other. And

903
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of cockily the hey, this could

904
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: be the wasniac to my jobs. Uh. Turns out, you know,

905
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: today he's running a four billion dollar hedge funds, so

906
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: he was Watsonia and the jobs. But but yeah, and

907
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: he's like twenty five, Like he's like shattered all sorts

908
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: of records and the hedge fund. Just I mean, he's

909
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: just brilliant. But I just happened to meet this kid

910
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: and he was nobody then. He'd been mining bitcoin when

911
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: he was like fourteen years old. Like you know, he

912
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: was just just a smart like just one of those

913
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: smart person which is one of those people that you

914
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: meet only a few times in your life and you're like,

915
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: holy sh it, you are smarter than anyone I've ever met.

916
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: And I saw that in him, and that would actually

917
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: become a trend in my career later on, especially as

918
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: an investor, identifying like teenagers and being the first investors

919
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: and whatever they do, and like I just yeah, I mean,

920
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: I just I just I invested in this one kid

921
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: when he was sixteen years old. He just showed up

922
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: at my door at my house into San Francisco. And

923
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: fast forward three and a half years and he is

924
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: now the youngest CEO of a company valued at a

925
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: billion dollars or more. He just beat out Mark Zuckerberg

926
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: and Kylie Jenner so so so so well. He had

927
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: heard about my non project that he wasn't so he

928
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: had a financial services company, but he but he had

929
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: just heard that I was doing a barbecue for students

930
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: from my nonprofit. He's a sixteen year old kids spending

931
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: the summer in San Francis, Scille because his parents are

932
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: letting him go build a startup. I had talked about

933
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: nerds and and he, uh, you know, he wanted young

934
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: people to be around. And I ended up, you know,

935
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: taking him on as a protege, letting him sleep on

936
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: my bunk bed for free. You know, I've done very

937
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: well from my first investment. I should have gotten more,

938
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: but I'm not complaining. Yeah, this sounds like that movie

939
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: or that TV show on Showtime. Showtime. There's a TV

940
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: show where these guys starting startups started sleeping with each other.

941
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: You mean it's on show It was on Showtime for

942
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: a while back. I forgot anyhow they're sleeping with each

943
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 1: other and hanging out building companies. I haven't sleep based

944
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: in any of the CEOs. I haven't slept with anything.

945
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: He met, not sleeping with hanging out there, they're sleeping

946
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: over they would parts together and they would, and then

947
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: they would work all day at their houses and come

948
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: up with you know, I forget that it was a

949
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: big nerdy show. I loved it too, I just can't

950
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: remember the name of the show. And he didn't mean sexually,

951
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: Jeremy him sleeping your mind out of the gunner looking well, well, look,

952
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: when you're in these intimate environments, stuff like that does happen. Sure,

953
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: but but well and and I'll get right to that.

954
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: So Joey and I end up working on a startup

955
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: over the summer. We're getting momentum. Uh and in a

956
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 1: decision that my parents will never forgive me for because

957
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: I actually never graduated from high school. I dropped out

958
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: of college a year before graduation and we moved out

959
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: to say Well first Alley and then to San Francisco.

960
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: A month later, Crazy Crazy Story movie being made about it.

961
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely was in the same time in my life.

962
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: But we would go on to create if you guys

963
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: know what Theoryum, it's the second biggest blockchain after Picture.

964
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: We created the first application on top of it, and

965
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: uh we did one of the first I c O s,

966
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 1: which was a big fad in twice seventeen and eighteen.

967
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: But that you know that, you know I was a

968
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: founder that and you know it's worth a few hundred

969
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: million dollars today the tokens, so not my tokens, but

970
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: the all the tokens in the network. And sure it's

971
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: uh you know that that that you know, fast forward

972
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: to I've never sold any of it, but yeah, well

973
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: but the even better thing I did was after, you know,

974
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: after we did our I c O, where we raised

975
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: about five million dollars, which was in retrospect not much

976
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: money at all, but at the time it was a lot.

977
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: It was it was actually top ten crowdfunding campaigns of

978
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: all time. But after that, I got a bunch of

979
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: back pay and I had loaned all the remaining money

980
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: in my bank account that I had. I had literally

981
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: put everything on the line for this company because we

982
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: couldn't find investors. So uh so I got some back pay.

983
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: And this is in the summer of twenty fifteen, and

984
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: and then Biquin was still it hadn't gone up. It

985
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: was like probably around two and or fifty dollars ether

986
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: the ethereum token had just launched. We did it. We

987
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: did our I ce O the week of of Ethereum

988
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: launched Ether, which today I think trades around was seventy

989
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: cents apiece. So uh so, so I said, so people

990
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: call me like this bitcoin millionaire, but it's not really accurate.

991
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: I invested in bitcoin, ether and then this token that

992
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: nobody should invest in called x RP, but which always

993
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: ended up being the best investment in my life. But

994
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: but that was just why do you think people shouldn't

995
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: do it because it's not a useful token. It was

996
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: a very interesting idea back then. They wanted to have

997
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: a regulated, you know, bank friendly cryptocurrency that made transactions cheaper.

998
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: But now they're getting steed by that SEC and I

999
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: just don't think it's everything to get out. Yeah, I

1000
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: did see the one time I ever sold for cash

1001
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: was when I sold x RP at its all time

1002
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: higher price in January. But anyway, yeah, so the moral

1003
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: of the story is actually I'm not really you know,

1004
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: I've probably made a good amount from bitcoin, but the

1005
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: money I've made comes from you know this variety, well one,

1006
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: just building this nonprofit, just the networking opportunities. Uh you know,

1007
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: building this startup is investing all the money I made

1008
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: and I got paid for some speaking stuff and some

1009
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: cold consulting work. Everything went into crypto. I literally I

1010
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: had this conviction that it was going to be bigger

1011
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: than it was, and so pretty much every penny I made.

1012
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: And this brings me to the Crypto Castle. Speaking of

1013
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: these co living situations. So probably what I'm best known

1014
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: for in crypto is actually not either augured my first

1015
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: startup or blockchain education network. It's my crypto castles, which

1016
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: have just become this part of the culture I got.

1017
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: I just got the trademarks the other day for this

1018
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: house I jokingly called well or or first us when

1019
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: we moved to San Francisco. Is this dingy, two bedroom

1020
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: basement apartment for six people that called the Bitcoin Basement,

1021
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: and we gotta when we got at yeah, and when

1022
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: we got a little bit of money, uh, top grade,

1023
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: top place for you know, you know, seven or eight

1024
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: of us for seven or eight grand a month, with

1025
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: great views overlooking San Francisco. I jokingly called it the

1026
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: Crypto Castle, and and it just it developed. It became

1027
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: this brand and and as cultural reference point. And you know,

1028
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: in retrospect now I've had more articles written about my

1029
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: houses than any company I built, because it's an easy

1030
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: thing for journalists that are supposed to be talking about

1031
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: crypto righte about just talking about a bunch of crypto enthusiasts.

1032
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: But like I've had all sorts of incredible startups come

1033
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: out of it, like probably billions of dollars worth of

1034
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: value and startups have come out of the Uh. Well,

1035
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: So I I had the one in San Francisco, then

1036
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: I opened one in Miami Beach when I burnt out

1037
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: on Silicon Valley and Crypto in late and now my

1038
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: house in l A Is sometimes called the Crypto Castle,

1039
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: but now the trademarks no one else can use it

1040
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 1: without my permission, but they the crypto castles where these

1041
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: things was this concept that I just always saw it

1042
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 1: as my home. But you know, a year or two ago,

1043
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: when people just kept on introducing me as the founder

1044
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: of the Crypto Castle, which was in my mind, the

1045
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: most insignificant thing I've ever founded, I realized there was

1046
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: something worth talking about, and it is really interesting, like

1047
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: I had, like, uh, the world's top hacker, George Hotsy

1048
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: was the first guy to jail break the iPhone and

1049
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: the PlayStation three. UH. He was contacted by Elon Musk

1050
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: to build a self driving model to compete with Elon

1051
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Must's entire Tesla team. This guy is that smart. He's

1052
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: like like one of the probably one of the smartest

1053
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: people on the planet. This guy like wins like the

1054
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: world top hacking competitians against teams of eight by himself

1055
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: in half the time. Like I don't even get how

1056
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: cats And I just was like, but this guy, it

1057
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: was so funny. So he's over at my house and

1058
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: he's like yelling indz of phone and it's today. I'm like, dude,

1059
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: this isn't good, Like I hope he's like not talking

1060
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: to his parents or something. And at the end of

1061
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: the phone call and he was like, just like he

1062
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: had been telling me about what he's planning to do,

1063
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: was interested in renting out my garage to do what

1064
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: what I was talking about with Elon. At the end

1065
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: of the call, um, you know, he's in a huff

1066
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: for like minutes. He's like, you know what, fuck you Ellen,

1067
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this myself. What And he hangs up

1068
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: the phone. I'm like, dude, did you just tell Elon

1069
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: Musk to go fund himself. He's like, yeah, funk that guy.

1070
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: And he goes on to build a self driving car

1071
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: startup in my basement. But the craziest shit is, that's

1072
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: not it. The craziest ship is. You know, two months later,

1073
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: he's been we're getting the project for a while. But

1074
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: but like he's like this guy dicks around, Like I

1075
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: go down there, were like smoking the ball. We're like

1076
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: talking philosophy, religion, like he's a rapper, like we're talking

1077
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: about all sorts of We're shooting the ship. You know,

1078
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: he's teaching me a bit about machine learning. And then

1079
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: one day, like we're down there, he's like, hey, you

1080
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: want to go for a ride. And I'm like sure,

1081
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: And he's bought a car. He's got like an accord

1082
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: or something that he's been messing around with, like with

1083
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: like the internals um and and you know, he's got

1084
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: like this big red button in the middle. And I'm like, oh,

1085
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: this is like you wanted to show me this? And

1086
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: he's like just wait. And we get onto the highway

1087
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: it's just right next to our house in San Francisco,

1088
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: and he's like pressed a big red button and I'm

1089
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: like I'm never gonna say no to that. So I

1090
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: I pressed a big red button and he takes his

1091
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: hand off the wheel and the car literally starts driving

1092
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: something just off off the lot Honda Accord that he

1093
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: bought two months ago, started writing this code two months ago,

1094
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: and now this car is driving itself down the highway.

1095
00:59:53,080 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: It was one of the wildest moments. Unfortunately, he's a

1096
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: very difficult person to work with. I think that company

1097
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: could have been acquired for billions by now. Uh you know,

1098
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: they they ended up instead of trying to, you know,

1099
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: get acquired, they tried to they created effectively, it's called

1100
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: common AI. They've created uh uh you know at home

1101
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: do it yourself self driving car gets because pretty much

1102
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: most cars have all the sensors needed in them to

1103
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: make it self drive, you put in their hardware. So

1104
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: they had this little hardware that you plug in. Look,

1105
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't recommend it to anyone. I'm shocked they haven't

1106
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: been ensued. But I think I just I think I

1107
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: just saw on their page that they've logged fifty million

1108
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: miles with all their riders or something. So how much

1109
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: is one of those run? I want to say it's

1110
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: like three hundred bucks maybe last I wouldn't mind just trying.

1111
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: But but but you have to know the like electronics

1112
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 1: in the car and and and it's really it's it's

1113
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: like what test advertises. Although like I just drove self

1114
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: drive the entire way here and yeah, uh and I uh,

1115
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: but it's really just like automated cruise control, like like

1116
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't it just it just it changed lanes and

1117
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: that's good, exactly, it's cool. But what you did here, Yeah,

1118
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean the Tesla is a little more advanced. Well,

1119
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: he'd argue that it's probably not. But you can have

1120
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: the Tesla now change if you paid. You can pay

1121
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: like tan k that the upgraded even further and it

1122
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: will change lanes and navigate via GPS to your location.

1123
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: But the reviews on it aren't that great and I

1124
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: don't drive enough to make it worth it. But but

1125
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: but the self driving, like especially like I was in

1126
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: a stop and go traffic, like there was nothing that

1127
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: was gonna go wrong in that situation except for me

1128
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: rear ending someone because I was sending in tax and

1129
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: I was just doing emails and writing texts the whole

1130
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: way because it was just you know, it's grid and

1131
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean you could use his software for that, but

1132
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's not gonna listen to this. But well

1133
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: he's a pad so maybe but but but but you know, look,

1134
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: the Model three Tesla is such an affordable car. It's green,

1135
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, it has it self driving if you want it, Like,

1136
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: I can't recommend the Tesla's enough. The service's phenomenal, you know,

1137
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he's one of the great visionaries

1138
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: of our time. So I you know, I never thought

1139
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: I would buy a car, but then I moved to Alan.

1140
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't there was no choice. So the big money

1141
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: within was made on quite a bit of other things,

1142
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. So it was so it was crypto.

1143
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: Oh and I would accept rent from people in crypto.

1144
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: So and the crypto castle you think about it, bitcoins

1145
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: two fifty dollars then it's now like near forty dollars

1146
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: now ether was you know, a few dollars then it's

1147
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: now now. So literally just accepting one person's rent for

1148
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: a month was massive return for me. So you know, yeah,

1149
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm still in everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so I I, uh,

1150
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, I did a lot by also, but I

1151
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: also did angel investing in then after augur My, the

1152
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: software startup, I went and joined a venture capital firm

1153
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: and uh that I wasn't paid there, but I uh

1154
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: but I got carry or like interest on the fund

1155
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: and it's now it turns out it's gonna be one

1156
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: of the best performing venture funds of all times. So

1157
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing well off that. So it's lots of bunch

1158
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: of stuff. And and now I have my own investment

1159
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: fund focused on the intersection of like crypto, blockchain technology

1160
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: and social impact and so, uh you know, but then

1161
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: then invested. I I've I've made some great investments in

1162
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: cannabis and artificial intelligence and robot eggs like you know,

1163
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: I I've done. I've done kind of research all over

1164
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: the place. Now I rarely have more than ten dollars

1165
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: in the bank account. I pretty much put all my

1166
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: money right back into startups because you know, uh, that's

1167
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: what I love. And you know, if I went broke tomorrow,

1168
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, I could start from scratching, wouldn't skip a beat.

1169
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: Uh So for me, it's important that I'm really investing

1170
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: my money into the into what allowed me to be

1171
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: where I am. So you know, I don't know. The

1172
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: Tesla was my before my Tesla my most expensive belonging

1173
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: with my cell phone. Like I I literally despite years

1174
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: of you know, being multimillionaire on paper, I never splurged. Really,

1175
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: I really need my house, No, not the most Why

1176
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: why by a house when I could on bitcoin? What's

1177
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: the most expensive thing? You Well, anything I've ever bought

1178
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: with bitcoin? What's the most expensive version of that? Because

1179
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: it went up? Yeah, So unfortunately I was pretty good

1180
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: about not spending. Bitcoin is still a good investment. Well,

1181
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: I think bitcoin is eventually going to be a million dollars.

1182
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: It's thirty five K forty K today. Yeah, that's a

1183
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: great investment, even over twenty thirty years. I mean, one

1184
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: of the best you could make. So you know, I

1185
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: have a high level conviction. I think ether theory m

1186
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: is a great investment. I think everything else besides that

1187
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: is mostly a casino. But those are the two. Like

1188
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: Blue Chick. You don't think Ellen owns? Does I think

1189
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: he got? He got backward? You don't think he owns.

1190
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he does. He's one of the richest

1191
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: people on the planet. Why would he spend his time

1192
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: speculating on cryptocurrencies. I think he just he can't talk

1193
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: about his company's stock price without getting sued by that

1194
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: SEC So what else is he gonna like manipulate on Twitter.

1195
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: Oh crypto prices, Yeah, the world. That's funny because blue

1196
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: you have a whole conviction about it, like watching the

1197
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: whole name backward. His name backwards is DOJ. Yeah God,

1198
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So I just figured, like, you know,

1199
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: I I think that, and and he's made some some

1200
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: real you know, comments of like wouldn't it be amazing

1201
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: if does was the number one currency that was traded

1202
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: in the world, But he's also worth tens of billions

1203
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: of dollars. Who gives a ship like it does matter?

1204
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: Like I think he'd like given that he's already got

1205
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: in trouble with that sec for the ship. He tweets like,

1206
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: I think he knows better than to be owning this cryptocurrency,

1207
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: which that sec given how much you would have to

1208
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: buy to make any sort of significant, significant difference for himself. Um,

1209
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: you know if they would know if he bought a

1210
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: bunch of Does and uh guess what, Well, it's not

1211
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: his stock. But then there's non securities laws, market manipulation

1212
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: laws that he could probably fall under. I I would

1213
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: bet he doesn't own any although I would be pissif

1214
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: I was on if I was a major shareholder in

1215
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: his company because his company went and bought you know,

1216
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: billions of dollars worth a bitcoin and then he and

1217
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: then he tanked the price. Yeah, yeah, and he did.

1218
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: He actually was part of that. He was the black

1219
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: swan that I never saw coming. Like who goes announces

1220
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: that their company is buying bit not only buying bitcoin

1221
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: for their treasury, but accepting it for their cars and

1222
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, no, what, We're gonna stop accepting

1223
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: it for the cars because it's bad for the environment, Like,

1224
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, he just like it was just he's so reckless. Yeah,

1225
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: talking about being on the spectrum. That dude just does

1226
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: not always think. But I I really out. Yeah, he

1227
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: got it in do you own any does? No? I

1228
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: don't don't gamble. So so in teen when I first

1229
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: got it and I tried trading cryptome, I learned it

1230
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: wasn't from me and it's not for people. Everyone thinks,

1231
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, when the market is doing great, oh I'm

1232
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: a great crypto trade, their accounts are going up. Rarely

1233
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: do they realize that one at the end of the day,

1234
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna end up with less night than they had.

1235
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: And too, they just had their money and bitcoin U

1236
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: either it. They would have done way better than they

1237
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: But you know, you're living, you learn But yeah, trading

1238
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: is for traders. You know, investing is really for everyone.

1239
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: You just need to educate yourself. But trading takes a

1240
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: very specific mindset. Investing just takes education. Jeremy Garter, you

1241
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: said a key statement that just stuck in my head

1242
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: right now when you said you live and you learned.

1243
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,839
Speaker 1: You're twenty nine years old. You're one of the youngest

1244
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 1: twenty five year old multimillionaires in the world. What advice

1245
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: would you give the folks out there that you've lived

1246
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: and learned and say, you, guys, this is a good one.

1247
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't I've never met anyone, you know, looking at

1248
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: like I've I've, like I said, I've got like these

1249
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: like five teenage guys. I've invested in them all as teenagers.

1250
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: So now have companies that are all worth like nine

1251
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: figures or more. And I think about all them, and

1252
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: not one of them was motivated by money. I am

1253
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: all for, like, you know, making enough money to survive

1254
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: or to be comfortable to support your family, but beyond that,

1255
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: like if you're trying to build a great startup or

1256
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 1: change the world. If money is your mode, vasition is

1257
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: just not going to get where you where you need

1258
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: to go. And and as I've seen many times over,

1259
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna send you down the wrong path. So for me,

1260
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, I never thought about the money. I was

1261
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: just like, there's no better place for my money to

1262
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 1: go than crypto. But I wasn't like, oh, I planned

1263
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,759
Speaker 1: to be a multi millionaire in two years. No, that

1264
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: that thought really didn't cross my mind until the day

1265
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: that happened, Like and I think I was like elated

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Speaker 1: for like maybe like thirty sixty minutes, and then I

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: was just like back to normal, like nothing about my

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01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: life change whatever. Yeah, yeah, I think I smoked some weed.

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01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: I smoked more weed back then. Um, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I you know, I look at so many young hungry

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: people like if you if you go on my like, Instagram,

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01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: d ms, it's just all these young guys I've read

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01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: about me, or and women too, and they're they're asking,

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01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, how do I make money? Or how do

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01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 1: I invest or? Or or what do I invest in? Um?

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: I hate question, but as I said, I'm saying, if

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01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: you're asking that question, those are the only two things

1278
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 1: that you should buy. But but you know, if you

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01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: do your research, I think you can create a more

1280
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: diversified portfolio. But it's just, you know, this is a

1281
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: very speculative, volatile market and most people don't have those

1282
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 1: I think they call it diamond hands and and so

1283
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know, if you come from

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01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: a rough background where you know money is scarce, you know,

1285
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: like you don't know where your night meal is gonna

1286
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: come from, you obviously have this very scarcity based mindset

1287
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: where you want to make money. But what people have

1288
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: to realize this once you have enough money to be

1289
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: comfortable to know that your rent is gonna be paid,

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01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: the food that you have it's gonna be on the table,

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01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: and that your family is taken care of. You know,

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01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: whatever that is two different people. You know, something it varies,

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01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, I need, Like I said, I rarely have

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Speaker 1: more than t K in the bank account, like I

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01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: I need. Well, yeah, I bet. So if you need money,

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01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: you just pull money out go sell something that. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather take a loan from Brant and waituntil the

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Speaker 1: next time I get cash. Somehow, I really well, and

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Speaker 1: it's also like a taxable event if I sell the crypto,

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01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: But now there's all these instruments for like uh, like uh,

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01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: getting loans for your crypto so you can get cash

1302
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: without actually selling it. But I've never done that. But no, really,

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: I really just like to struggle. I like to not know,

1304
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: like how I'm going to pay my taxes next year,

1305
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: like I like, I like to like figure out, like

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01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: how am I going to pay rand or to keep

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01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: funding my company? Like I don't like like I've very

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01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: rarely have gone and sold crypto, like that's my like

1309
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: last resort and most of my cryptos actually in my

1310
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: investment firm, so I can't even touch it, but like

1311
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: I could if I needed to. But I like to struggle,

1312
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: like I like, it's funny to say that because you

1313
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: know I have done well, it gives you humble hungry exactly,

1314
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: and without those I don't think you can accomplish as

1315
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: much if you're If you're not hungry, you get complacent.

1316
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: So you know, for me, it's about always just like

1317
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: focused on what's important, and it's not money. You know, money.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm lucky and privilege and that I've always

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01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: been good at making it. I have no idea how

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01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 1: to manage it, or like like responsibly like diversify it.

1321
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: But that's worked out for me as well. But you know,

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01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: like I've always been a little hustler. Like in the

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01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: town I grew up, and there were no millionaires, Like

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01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: I didn't need a millionaire. Probably tiized like nineteen, but

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: at least I knew And it's definitely not in my town.

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01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 1: But you know, there are no entrepreneurs. So when I

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Speaker 1: was selling like weed, when I was in high school,

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01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 1: middle school, well, and I had like a little business

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01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: buying like a video games in bulk off of eBay

1330
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: and then selling them individually on Amazon. No one's like, oh,

1331
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: you're an entrepreneur. That way never came out of anyone

1332
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:56,480
Speaker 1: st that. They're like, Jeremy, what are you doing? Exacts

1333
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna say, full dog don't hunt? Yeah, yeah, full full

1334
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: dog don't hunt. He said. So if you're if you're

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01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: if you're full, you don't you don't go look for

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01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: you know what? And only that that's such a great

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01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: uh message to give out there, and that's such great advice.

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01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: Have you lived and learn? And that's why I love

1339
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: that well, and I think I think out of adversity

1340
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: come the best lessons in life. This is what my podcast? Uh,

1341
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: what Makes a Man is what it's called. It's everywhere.

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01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on YouTube. We we we shoot video.

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01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be on Spotify, Apple. Ever, what's it

1344
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: called again? What Makes a Man? And yeah, and we'll

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01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: start linking to it soon. What is it? It's a video?

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01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: You said, it's video audio. We've got to join this. Yeah,

1347
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: well not like this? Why not? We actually have a

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01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: recording studio in our house, and so I created a

1349
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: podcast like backdrop. But it's very intimate. So we have

1350
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: like this little fireplace, some books, chairs, that's it. But

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01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: but but it's the sounds amazing because because I think

1352
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: the acoustics, but I think it was like Sean Kingston

1353
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: built a music studio in this house. But yeah, yeah, baby,

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: But this is a question you know that I I'm

1355
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,520
Speaker 1: constantly you know, asking you or or or what motivated

1356
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 1: me really to create this show was this conviction that

1357
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: you don't really learn much from being successful or for

1358
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: making money or accomplishating things. Where where where you really grow?

1359
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: And this is why they call it growing pains. It

1360
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: is from the adversity you face, the life, the setbacks,

1361
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: the failures. That's that's where life's more most important lessons

1362
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: are learned. But if you look at most podcasts, I

1363
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: mean you can even look at what we've spoken about

1364
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: so far, is you know, when you have someone that

1365
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: has been successful and done well for themselves, that's what

1366
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: people want to talk about. They want to talk about

1367
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: what went right, but there's a lot more to learn

1368
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: from what went wrong. And so I'm so I've got

1369
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: like this amazing roster of folks. I just had Charlie Shrem.

1370
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: He was one of the he was the first official

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01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: CEO in the bitcoin industry. He went to federal prison,

1372
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: but he's done incredibly well in this space. He's he's

1373
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: actually had a big podcast himself. I've got Apollo oh No,

1374
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: the most winning Winter Olympian, Tony Hawk, the great eskateboarder

1375
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: of all time. Really just like a fascinating diverse array

1376
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: of folks. Rob Weiss, He's i one of the creators

1377
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: of Entrage, and and Adrian Grannie, who is Vince the

1378
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: star of the show. He's gonna come on. So I

1379
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:24,799
Speaker 1: actually do business events because he mean, I still sometimes

1380
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: see him as events even though I've known him for

1381
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: a couple of years now. But uh, but yeah, I'm

1382
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: just bringing on like these people with the diverse array

1383
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: of backgrounds, and I'm I'm like, what went wrong in

1384
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: your life, because I think that that can tell you

1385
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: so much more about how to be successful than what

1386
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 1: went right, and so like like if you think about

1387
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: like the story I told you, I you know, I

1388
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: told you, I told you a bit about like the

1389
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: drug dealing and stuff. But but but but until I

1390
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: was twenty two years old, I was just an abject

1391
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: failure and screw up like my my I when I

1392
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 1: was I think fifteen years old, I had a school

1393
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: administrators say, by the time you're twenty five, you're gonna

1394
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: be dead, addicted to drugs, are in jail. And that

1395
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: was like the general sentiment around me. Like by the

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01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: time I was twenty one, I've been arrested seven times,

1397
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,839
Speaker 1: kicked out of four schools. Like I wasn't a great student.

1398
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Speaker 1: I was a terrible student in middle school, in high school,

1399
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: got a little bit. I got better in college. But

1400
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: I really like, there was nothing really particularly remarkable about me.

1401
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: I used big words that as I had. I had

1402
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: a big U vocabulary. But but otherwise there there was

1403
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: the bar was set so low for me, which was actually,

1404
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: if you want to know why I'm successful that that

1405
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: or got successful at a young age, was because the

1406
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,520
Speaker 1: bar was set so low for me. I had absolutely

1407
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: no fear of failure. I like, I could drop out

1408
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: of school. My parents had already disowned me a couple

1409
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: of times before I made me homeless. Like I I like,

1410
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: there was no one in the world old. I was

1411
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: afraid of disappointing or letting down except for myself. And

1412
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: I knew that the upside of taking a bet on

1413
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,799
Speaker 1: something that no one else believed and was way greater

1414
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,520
Speaker 1: than you know, not taking it and then being uh,

1415
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: having been right. And that's why I told my parents,

1416
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: m my job to that of of school. I'm like, I

1417
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: think there's a five to tem percent chance that bitcoin

1418
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: is going to be successful. But if I stay in

1419
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: school and don't pursue this and make make this my

1420
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: career right now, I think I'm gonna regret it for

1421
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. And they say to you

1422
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: now about it. My my, my, my parents. You know.

1423
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: So my dad's a college professor. He did undergrad at Princeton,

1424
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: PhD at Harvard Lea. Yeah, yeah, my mom went to

1425
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 1: U Penn. So the Ivy leaguers, you know, you know,

1426
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: come from middle class Jewish families in Ohio. It grew

1427
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: on me, raised me in a very middle class upbringing bringing.

1428
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: But you know, placed a hide you know, that's what

1429
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: choose in America. Do you place a high value. You know,

1430
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: the first generation works super hard so their next generation

1431
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: can get a good education, and you know, you know,

1432
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: focus on more philosophical pursuits. And that's what my parents do.

1433
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: My mom works at a nonprofit. And you know, one

1434
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: value that they instilled in me at a young age,

1435
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: which was I think very instructive and kind of tells

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01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: you a lot about what I said before, is that,

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01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, my parents are like borderline Marxist, like super

1438
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: liberal left like Bernie Sanders Democrats, and they you know,

1439
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: they never placed a value on money. You know, they

1440
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: had careers which were never going to make them a

1441
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: ton of money. You know, I think for most of

1442
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: my life they combined they didn't make six figures. But

1443
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 1: they you know, they were able to give me an

1444
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: education as an only child, and you know, and the

1445
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: money was never an issue at the dinner table, and

1446
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: and your bologning and getting foods now exactly. But like

1447
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: I also wasn't allowed to get a lot of the

1448
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,799
Speaker 1: food at the grocery store I wanted. But that's probably

1449
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: just a Jewish neurosis more than actual budgetary constraints. But

1450
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: I like that, but but like you know that it's

1451
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: also why I told weed because my parents wouldn't give

1452
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: me any sort of allowance and I had after school activities,

1453
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: so the only way I could make money to smoke

1454
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: weed was by selling weeds. So I started selling weed

1455
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: when I was like fourteen years old, which is which

1456
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: led down to, yeah, that's exactly how to get my

1457
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: weed young enough, let me get a couple of ounces

1458
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: at exactly. And so you know that's kind of what

1459
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: got me into entrepreneurship. I owe a lot to selling pot,

1460
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: Like I I learned more about entrepreneurship than I did

1461
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: from ever building a real company, because you know, you

1462
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: learned a lot of hard lessons that way. Do you

1463
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: feel like they're very proud of you? Now? Did they

1464
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: say I wouldn't? You know? You know, my mom I

1465
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: think is more expressive of probably, but like, but like

1466
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 1: you know, when I get a text message from her phone,

1467
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: call from her, I I just like I I the

1468
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: trauma of my adolescentce just comes reverberating in my body.

1469
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, what am I going to get chewed out for?

1470
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: Not like what did I post on? Like old and

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Speaker 1: you're seeing there you see the Texas, says mom, And

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Speaker 1: you now what I'm like Now, it's like like it's

1473
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: just you know you, I think I think anyone that

1474
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: has I think anyone that has Jewish parents that didn't

1475
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: become a lawyer or a doctor probably yeah, it's so

1476
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: so they did right by their parents. But well I

1477
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: don't know about the weeds stuff, but like ye, but

1478
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: it's it's my parents, you know. There they don't need

1479
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: to be proud as long as they don't need to

1480
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: be deeply dissatisfied for me to be happy with my

1481
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: relationship with him. And as a result, because it's not

1482
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: like this awful toxic thing anymore, I put in a

1483
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: lot of effort on my WI. You can't teach an

1484
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: old dog new tricks. So you know, I realized that,

1485
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, as the only child, and that's someone that

1486
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: appreciates the investment they put him in. The bullshit they

1487
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: put up with even though they weren't as supportive as

1488
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: I would have liked at times. You know, I I've

1489
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: had a real sense of obligation to you know, really

1490
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: kind of reached them at their level and you know,

1491
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: uh and and a lot of the things that they

1492
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: instilled in me at a young age, like philanthropy and

1493
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: doing charity like you know, I just shattered fundraising records

1494
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,879
Speaker 1: for the Burning Man Foundation two weeks ago in Miami.

1495
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: I helped. They were deeply in the red because they

1496
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: had to cancel, so they had they had to cancel

1497
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: the event last year and now they had to cancel

1498
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: this year. Nine percent of the revenue comes from that,

1499
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: so they were millions of dollars in the red and

1500
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: weren't sure that they're going to be able to do

1501
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 1: it next year as a result, and we literally took

1502
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: them out of the red and then some so we

1503
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 1: it was a campaign, do you put together? It was literal.

1504
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: I literally organized the luncheon with a bunch of the rich,

1505
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: crypto eyes I know, went to Burning Man and then

1506
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: and then we threw this crazy, crazy decadent like uh

1507
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: like mansion party that night. And between the two events, Yeah,

1508
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: we raised nearly ten million dollars. So but but and

1509
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: then obviously well well well also, uh, I made a

1510
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,520
Speaker 1: big pledge, you know, I you know, I made a

1511
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: very large pledge over the next five years. And most

1512
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: of these guys have been crypted longer than me, and

1513
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: we're richer and older than me, and I knew if

1514
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: I kind of put them on the spot, you know,

1515
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: it would be kind of a dick measuring contest. So

1516
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 1: so so I ended up having a bunch of the

1517
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:46,759
Speaker 1: guy's match my donation, which just yeah, rolled up really fast,

1518
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: so so that that was incredible. And but philanthropy has

1519
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: always been big for me, whether it's the educational nonprofit

1520
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 1: I started with or just you know, you know, donating.

1521
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: I really just don't need that much, but I can

1522
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: do to ship with it. That's why that's why it's

1523
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,520
Speaker 1: fun making money. When you look at what's the Amazon's

1524
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: ex wife, she just dropped off shipload of money. Yeah,

1525
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean she she she didn't even have to build, right,

1526
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: she just had to marry right. Uh. If you give

1527
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: Mackenzie credit, she was really instructive in the early days

1528
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: of Amazon, and to be through all those years of that,

1529
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: like she deserves. I mean, I don't know if she

1530
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: deserved eight million, eighty billion dollars, but you know, you know,

1531
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,560
Speaker 1: according to the law, you know, she definitely deserved a

1532
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: good chunk of it. And I think you know, you know,

1533
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 1: talking about what makes a man, you know, I I

1534
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: talk mostly married guys, you know, older guys, uh, because

1535
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 1: I I think it's hard to really be a man

1536
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: in your twenties, no matter how accomplished you are. And

1537
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: I think you know this is something I observed actually

1538
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 1: earlier today was how you know, becoming a man? Uh,

1539
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do it before you're you know, thirty

1540
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: five forty, when most men emotionally mature, doing it without

1541
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: like following in love, without being emotionally that vulnerable with

1542
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: another person, uh, really can't happen. I think, I think,

1543
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: I think having a great partner, whether it's a man

1544
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 1: or a woman, that can you know, guide you and

1545
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: be a source of support for you is incredibly important,

1546
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: especially when you're an entrepreneur or CEO. I mean those

1547
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: are unforgiving jobs for sure. Well, man, it's been great

1548
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: talking with you, and I'm thinking we can still go

1549
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: on and on, but I think we need to get

1550
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 1: to the high five with you. It is now time

1551
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: for the High five with Jeremy Gardner, the founder of

1552
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:39,520
Speaker 1: maide Men and get made men dot com. Question number one, Jeremy,

1553
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: and by the way, great story telling, great anything, man,

1554
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I could probably actually another question

1555
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: we can go on for another hour. How old are

1556
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 1: we the first time you smoked weed? And where'd you

1557
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:54,799
Speaker 1: get it from? So? Can I tell a little story? How? Alright?

1558
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: So well, I want to tell two stories here. Actually, yes,

1559
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: I have to because this is probably the most interesting

1560
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: weed stuff about me. First time I smoked weed was

1561
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: not just the first time I smoked weed. So the

1562
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: first time I smoked weed, Um, there's weed and then

1563
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: there's weed. This was like shitty weed grown in the

1564
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 1: housing projects. But but but but but but yeah yeah that's

1565
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: not what we called it, schwag. But yeah yeah yeah,

1566
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: but but it didn't start with weed and the day

1567
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: ended with the weeds. So I was hanging out with

1568
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 1: my friends. You know, a lot of my friends had

1569
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: gone to public school after elementary school. We had gone

1570
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: to this cute little private elementary schooling and uh, and

1571
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: I was hanging out with all my friends. I went

1572
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: to public school because I was not fitting in with

1573
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: the prep school kids. Uh, And I went to hang

1574
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: out with my buddies and we were hanging out with

1575
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: some kids that, you know, we're from the housing projects.

1576
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: And they and you know, they claimed to have a

1577
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: gang and they're like, you guys want to win the

1578
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,799
Speaker 1: gang was twelve years old. I'm like, that's how it's awesome.

1579
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: So I'm like, damn, all right, and so and these

1580
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: two kids are like, all right, well you have to

1581
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: do the initiation. I'm like, what's that? And you know,

1582
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: at that age, I was down for anything. I mean,

1583
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, I I was allowed to leave that house

1584
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: without parents. You know, I was like, I was going

1585
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 1: to do some function. And that's exactly what we did.

1586
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 1: So first we they're like, let's go break into the

1587
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: library and like we stole like a computer and and

1588
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: I some dumb shit. That's that's how the first many

1589
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: arrests happened. Uh. But that wouldn't happen until much later on,

1590
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: so weeks later. But then then next we had to

1591
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: get all of our faces punched. So unfortunately, these kids

1592
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: weren't that big or knew how to throw a punch,

1593
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: but got punched in the face a couple of times. Uh,

1594
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: and then they're like, all right, now we need to

1595
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: go smoke weed. I'm like, well, fuck it. I mean

1596
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: I I think like a month or two later. I earlier,

1597
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: I had like rolled up literal grass and and and

1598
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 1: uh post it note like and had been smoking butts

1599
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 1: I found on the gund Like. I was a little degenct.

1600
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,759
Speaker 1: And so you know, after you know, breaking and entering,

1601
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, getting punched in the face, and now officially

1602
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: being initiated into gang smoking weed. Yeah, of course, I mean, Jeremy,

1603
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: you're an active gang member, and well, well well here's

1604
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: so here's the kicker with two kickers one. Uh. We

1605
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: definitely didn't get me hot, did nothing for me. It

1606
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: was ship weed. And you know, I probably didn't even

1607
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 1: know how to smoke, but I soon would learn. Uh. Secondly,

1608
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: the two guys were not part of the gang, and

1609
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: I this is the funny smart uh. You know back

1610
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: then this was like pre my yet I think my

1611
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: face was just starting then, say and friends store was

1612
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: too early for me, and so I A I am

1613
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: a well and the messenger was the thing, and that

1614
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 1: was like that was our the first social network. And

1615
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:17,759
Speaker 1: we all had these weird like profiles, and I literally

1616
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: put the name of my gang, the gang I thought

1617
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: I had been initiated to in the profile. What was

1618
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: it was like it was so bad, c W c W. No, no,

1619
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: this is what we made it so stupid to me,

1620
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: it was like a very clearly Puerto Rican gang. It

1621
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 1: was not like I should have never thought I was

1622
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: going to get initiated into Puerto Rican gang. But here, here,

1623
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: here was my twelve year old south and I put

1624
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: it was like blood something stupid. And one of the

1625
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 1: guys I knew was in the gang he was in

1626
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 1: high school, was like, Yo, what the funk are you

1627
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: doing with my gang and your fucking profile. Get that

1628
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: ship down before I kill you. I was like, yes, sir, okay,

1629
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: no problem. Uh. So that that that that was my

1630
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 1: first time smoking weed. But then I just wanted to

1631
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: bring up the fact that, you know, I'd love to

1632
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,919
Speaker 1: be challenged here. But when I came out to California

1633
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: got really excited because I grew up smoking what I

1634
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: knew was phenomenal weed. But I came to California and

1635
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna smoke better weed. Uh, And

1636
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: California weed is ship compared to what I grew up with,

1637
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: small town in western Massachusetts. And and and this is

1638
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: the story people don't believe. But I think now I've

1639
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: got enough credibility here that people will probably believe this.

1640
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: So when I was growing up, I had a friend

1641
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: I had grown up with. He dropped out of high

1642
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: school and he's like fourteen, became a glassblower, and he's

1643
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: hanging out these kind of yeah yeah, that heady cats exactly,

1644
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 1: and it he was hanging out with these guys that

1645
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 1: were growing weed, and he's like, dude, these are some

1646
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: of the I guess weed growers in the world. But

1647
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 1: even you know, at thirteen years old, you know, I

1648
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: understood what hyperbole and exaggeration were and I was like,

1649
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: all right, this could probably the best weed growers in Northampton.

1650
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: The time we grow that, I didn't doubt um. But

1651
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: we started getting this weed, and compared to the swag

1652
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 1: we were smoking, I mean this ship, I mean, this

1653
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: ship looked like the stuff that was on the cover

1654
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 1: of High Times, like like this was like beautiful, yeah,

1655
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: but but still I'm thinking this is good weed for

1656
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: my town. Um. And then one day is like like, like,

1657
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: it's probably a couple of years later, as we kind

1658
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: of get to know this crew, this is like, this

1659
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: guy is the dude that literally created sour diesel, and

1660
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: kem Dog like like this this by the way, so

1661
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to say when you here did snow Dog.

1662
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: He's like, this ship is about to win the Cannabis Cup.

1663
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: And then he's like, I want a cannabis cup. I'm like,

1664
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 1: I still don't really believe it. And and this isn't

1665
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,919
Speaker 1: like like High Times didn't really even have a website

1666
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: back then, so I mean, I'm you're talking this is

1667
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: like sixteen years ago. So I was like, yeah, so

1668
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know. But he's like, but Snoop Dogg's gonna

1669
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: be on the cover. It's smoking my weed next month,

1670
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: and all right. And I'm like, all right, I'm finally

1671
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna know whether I'm smoking like really dank weed or

1672
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 1: not because I never smoke read outside of this small

1673
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 1: town of twenty people that I've grown up when and

1674
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: so I I the only weed I had to base

1675
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: it off of, what's this shitty like project weed and

1676
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: then this super dank weed. But I didn't know like

1677
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 1: what else existed in the world, and and so it

1678
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 1: turns out Snoop dogg ends up on the cover with

1679
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: this spot. This guy is actually the dude that created

1680
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: sour Diesel. And and still, I you know, you read

1681
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: about the California cannabis industry, you don't hear about the

1682
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: Northampton pot growing. And so I still thought when I

1683
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: moved out here, you know, fast forward now ten years

1684
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: later from when I started smoking this ship, I'm like, oh,

1685
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,759
Speaker 1: because I've now been in college for years, i haven't

1686
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: been at home as much, so I wasn't smoking this

1687
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: good weed anymore. So I was looking forward to getting

1688
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: California weed, and I was I just like, I was

1689
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: so disappointed. I went to that head shops and I

1690
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: went and got the best weed. But look, everything is

1691
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: mass produced here. Everything you get in a head shop

1692
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,440
Speaker 1: is mass produced. This guy, you know, his business was

1693
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: was genetics, So he wasn't he was growing super small

1694
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: batches and just selling the flower to his friends. He

1695
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:44,600
Speaker 1: wasn't like selling not just a master producer. No, no,

1696
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: And he's a geneticist. And so that's so. So I'm

1697
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: one of the only few people in the world to

1698
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: smoke the actual original like sour diesel from the guy

1699
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: that created and you know he doesn't make it as

1700
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: much anymore, but he the kem Dog's I mean and

1701
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,719
Speaker 1: snow Dog are just like, oh my god to my favorite.

1702
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: But frankly, what I will say is that any chance

1703
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: I get to smoke homegrown pot, it doesn't even matter

1704
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: if it's on some college kid. Like, if you put

1705
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: that like tilS, that tender love and care into it,

1706
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:24,719
Speaker 1: you're going to get better weed than almost any kem

1707
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: Dog I think was like the best fucking kem dog

1708
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: in the world. Dude, you know, I mean those numbers

1709
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 1: we're talking, we're talking to two thousand three, two thousand four,

1710
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: So it must have been kem Dog was around then,

1711
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 1: then it must have been snow Dog that the one

1712
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: that was on Maybe it was. I mean it's four,

1713
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: so that you guys have been around. Well they were

1714
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: older than you though, Oh no, I mean craft treadlocks

1715
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: are older. Number two, number two of the high five.

1716
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: What is your favorite way to use cannabis? I'm trying

1717
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 1: to think about a better answer, but no, I mean,

1718
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: there's one place where I love weed more than anywhere

1719
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: else and the one thing I have not yet really

1720
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: gone Just how do you use it? Smoke? A joint

1721
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: at a concert. That's like my favorite thing. That's my

1722
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 1: favorite thing a concert. Yeah, that's great. What I can't

1723
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 1: it would be Bob Marley if I but Obama a

1724
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: huge deadhead. So I used to go on tour with

1725
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 1: like Dead and Fish when I was in high school

1726
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: and check and so, so I like any dead show,

1727
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: like like John Mayer with Dead and Companies fucking amazing.

1728
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 1: So I love that I'm going to go to like

1729
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of the Fish shows at night. Is it

1730
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: smoke a joint? It's almost always a joint. The only

1731
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 1: time I smoke a bong is if I like really

1732
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: want to like taste the weed or something. But you know,

1733
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: I my my my buddy. I don't know if you

1734
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: know Harrison, but my buddies the CEO of Dollar High

1735
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 1: Club and our our Daily High Club and and and

1736
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 1: he gets these shitty Chinese pieces that mass manufactured, and

1737
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 1: he gives like twenty to thirty really weird, quirky bongs

1738
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: that they didn't sell every month, so we have all

1739
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: these cool little bags, like like, I'll end up smoking

1740
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:23,600
Speaker 1: every once in a a while, but I don't smoke that

1741
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: much anymore because I started when I was twelve, I

1742
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 1: created a rule for myself with wheat where I would

1743
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: never smoke wheat until I had done all my homework.

1744
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: Back then, that was my main responsibility in life, and

1745
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: so I would never really smoke weed until the end

1746
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 1: of the night, you know, or on the weekends with

1747
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: the friends. But like, I never smoked weed during the day,

1748
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: and I never became a functional pot had. Like when

1749
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: I get high, I'm done. Like you can give me

1750
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: like like a cocktail, dude, you can give me a

1751
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: cocktail in our context. You can get me blackout drunk,

1752
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 1: and I can write like like essays, like like like serious,

1753
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 1: I can conduct. I could go meet like the President

1754
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: of the United States, and you know I would be

1755
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: put together. But you get me high and I'm a

1756
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: hot mess. So we so we eed for me is

1757
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: really like you know, on the nights where I really

1758
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: feel like I have nothing left to do, which is

1759
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: almost never because I have so many responsibilities these days,

1760
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like watching a movie or something, but I do.

1761
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got some big pot heads in my house.

1762
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 1: But well, it's the high fire with Jeremy Gardner, the

1763
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 1: founder of maide Man. Question number three the craziest place

1764
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: that you ever use cannabis are smoked. Oh man, that's

1765
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: a tough one. I tried to do crazy things with

1766
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 1: all the things everywhere. I mean, yeah, I mean like,

1767
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I've definitely gotten high on a roller coaster,

1768
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean on an airplane. I I got high before

1769
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: jumping out of an airplane. I also was on a

1770
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: tab of acid as well. That had to be crazy. Yeah,

1771
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: I mean honestly though, like chumming out of an airplane

1772
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: is already crazy easy. The fact that you're on LSD

1773
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: or high on weed, it really doesn't make that much

1774
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: of a jumping out, jumping up, I wouldn't get messed

1775
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: up the high a little bit, Like the high doesn't

1776
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 1: affect anything. The window. Yeah, it's just like what when

1777
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 1: it's really nice, it is when you've like you're you're

1778
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: you're adrenaline is just rushing when you're when you're following.

1779
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 1: But when it's really nice is when you're floating down

1780
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: and you get the incredible views and enjoying just like

1781
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: the descent. That's when it's nice to be hot. But

1782
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 1: I like that jumping on an airplane is a good

1783
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: good spot too. Yeah yeah, yeah, So by I mean

1784
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 1: pretty much anywhere you could do something crazy. I probably

1785
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: smoked weed and done it. I mean question number four

1786
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 1: of the High five, what is your go to munchie

1787
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: after you get high? Oh? Man, I I mean most

1788
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: food I've ever created in my life has been one

1789
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 1: I've hot when I'm high. It's really hard. I mean,

1790
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 1: I'll all right, but the shout out to Barry's Cafe

1791
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: and Lobster Pizza player. Wait wait, wait, wait what you're

1792
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 1: doing alright? So yes, it's the lobster pizza with their

1793
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 1: calamari on top. So I was really high one day.

1794
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: I got the calamari and the lobster pizza and then

1795
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 1: I added the calamari to the lobster pizza. Wait, I

1796
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: gotta go back to and they have this crazy calamari sauce.

1797
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: It's not like Marinera. It's like it's like creamier. It's

1798
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: kind of like an aoli maybe. And you put the

1799
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: aoli and the and the calamari on the lobster pizza.

1800
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: Not the only one that mouse water in right hand

1801
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 1: bombs ship I've ever eaten. Maybe the best food I've

1802
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 1: ever had. Yeah, So it was funny. We go We

1803
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: actually went to we went to Rob. We went to

1804
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: smoke cigar Rob. After we smoke cigars with Rob, I'm

1805
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 1: with this cat ar the board Mark Carnes, and I go,

1806
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: you guys, I gotta take you to the spot they

1807
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: go where I goes right down the street because they're

1808
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 1: right here. He goes, what Chicago is, Barry, just trust me,

1809
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you guys. I'm buying us to a

1810
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 1: large which is not cheap. That's the most. But you

1811
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: know what it isn't exactly but I told my boys,

1812
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: I got you your first time. You know, it is

1813
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 1: the first time we're taking it out. That lobster pizza.

1814
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's everything. It's everything. But now

1815
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: what you just said, I can't wait. Well, this is

1816
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: going to take it to a whole another level. I mean,

1817
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 1: the flavor experience is because the calamaria there is good

1818
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: already too, though I've had the calimarsh but now it's

1819
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: just it's just I mean, for someone that's high, it's

1820
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 1: just an explosion. It's an explosion. And you hadn't put

1821
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 1: the sauce on it too, So yeah, you just he

1822
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: was lightly marinated with so you ordered on the side

1823
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 1: that you dropped it on yourself. Yeah, so it's all

1824
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: super frost. Yeah, look at look at Pitts grin over

1825
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: there that didn't even need it yet, and he's like, oh,

1826
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come get that. But wait, but is that

1827
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 1: lobster actually lobster? I'm not convinced is actually don't I

1828
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 1: don't want to go there, I asked to I asked,

1829
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to go there because guess what, it's

1830
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 1: that good. And you know what I asked. I was

1831
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 1: looking at it like I've got a lot of lobster.

1832
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 1: It's not it's boiled. Yeah, ie a couple of bytes.

1833
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah it either way when you go there, way when

1834
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:27,719
Speaker 1: you go Crustaceans is another good spot by you. But anyhow,

1835
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: but the station's ever been there. That's a good one

1836
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: to croustations. None of the restaurants have been open. I Crustations. Well,

1837
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 1: that's another good spot right there in Beverly, huse go there, Katana.

1838
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:42,679
Speaker 1: Katana is just in a nice state that I like that. Yeah,

1839
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 1: wonderful spot. Question number five with the high five Jeremy Gardner,

1840
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 1: the founder of Made Men. It's been a great time

1841
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: hanging out with you. If you could smoke cannabis with

1842
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 1: anyone dead are alive? Who would it be? And why? Man?

1843
01:40:56,439 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: So you know what? All right? So for the sake

1844
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: of smoking weed, it's like it's it's all right, so

1845
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: it's easy actually, so dead for the sake of smoking

1846
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: weed would be Bob Marley a lot. Well is it

1847
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: because they smoked weed or not? Because then it would

1848
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 1: probably could be whatever you want your grandfather, then it

1849
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 1: would be Benjamin Franklin. So yeah, well live would be

1850
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 1: Willie Nelson. But for like what I experienced weed for

1851
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 1: it would be Jerry Garcia. Why Jerry, because I'm deadhead?

1852
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, encouraged live in a non weed person, but

1853
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 1: elon musk. But I'd probably want to eat a bunch

1854
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: of mushrooms or acid with them, you know, a huge

1855
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 1: So that's so that's my next investment. Phend, I'm actually

1856
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: raising money for a psychedelic investment. You're making a lot

1857
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 1: of noise on We're having a psychedelic renaissance and that

1858
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 1: ship is about to change humanity for the better. I

1859
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 1: am so excited, and investing in company is enabling that

1860
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:04,719
Speaker 1: for the masses and making the elevation of consciousness possible.

1861
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:08,719
Speaker 1: There either's no greater calling for me. So I'm really excited.

1862
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 1: It's just crazy to think on what like micro docing,

1863
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 1: doing a little cap and then if you can figure

1864
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 1: out where it takes you and on the medical standpoint

1865
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: and what your illness is and how a little cap

1866
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:20,600
Speaker 1: can help you. They're they're fifty million Americans taking or

1867
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 1: forty million Americans taking three prozacs a day, when you

1868
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 1: could take a little capsule that you don't even feel

1869
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: two or three times a week and have the better effects.

1870
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: If that's literally proven impure reviewed studies that a micro

1871
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 1: dose and mushrooms is more effective than prozac for most

1872
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 1: people with depression. And yet they're scheduled to jogs. It's nuts,

1873
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: Jeremy Preacher, this is why we're here. I think I

1874
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 1: think we're gonna get legalization in California, but no, we're

1875
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: talking about not just a psilocybin. We're talking about psilocybin

1876
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: M D M yeah, d M T five. They're literally like,

1877
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 1: I think California is gonna just go full gonzo. First, well,

1878
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 1: today they legalize, but you know the new the new

1879
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:23,600
Speaker 1: law being proposed in is everything. It's just full and

1880
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tidal way. We're gonna see mass.

1881
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna see mass medicalization of psychedelics faster than I

1882
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,679
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see it in cannabis unless Biden pushes something,

1883
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 1: because I think there is more widespread academic and societal

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Speaker 1: level support of psychedelics, because there's just like at a

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Speaker 1: medicinal level, amidst the worst mental health crisis in history,

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01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 1: there is there is a very clear, provable solution to

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01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 1: yes to multiple crises we're having in our society that

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01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 1: that every every single doctor in academic that's looking at this,

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01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 1: this thing, we need this available. The only thing that's

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01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 1: stopping it is a loss. Where's cannabis is as much

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01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 1: murkier and well that pharmaceutical company stopping it really the

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01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:11,600
Speaker 1: money behind it, the pharma trying to get in there.

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01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 1: There's just so much a trenched money in cannabis, and

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01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:17,680
Speaker 1: there's cartel money. There's no money in psychedelics today, Like

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Speaker 1: it's not a big in farmers. Farma has no incentive

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01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 1: because they can go acquire these companies. That's one thing

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01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm trying to avoid or we're not

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01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 1: necessarily avoid if like literally look if viser wants this out.

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Speaker 1: True mushrooms micro dost by all means, go do it,

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Speaker 1: just don't stop stop someone from getting them, not from

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01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,799
Speaker 1: bias or you know that trying to get a pattern.

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Speaker 1: My concern is that they've bundled them all up, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the d m T s, the psilocybins, and and

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01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 1: they've they've put them all in one and so if

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01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 1: they could find a hole in one of them, they

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01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: could knock them all. Well, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: This is the thing. All of these drugs that we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, well at least LST psilocybin, well cannabis as

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01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 1: well d MT ayahuasca, there are all peer reviewed studies

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Speaker 1: showing medicinal benefits, which for cannabis and LSC, which are

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01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: schedule one drugs, makes it not make any sense. Schedule

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01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 1: one drugs have no medicinal so they are misscheduled. But

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01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 1: they also you know, Kenneman is an interesting one though,

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01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 1: because that one is legal and that way, and that's

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01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 1: happening really fast. Well yeah, it's the one substciety like

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01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:39,479
Speaker 1: too much. But it's but but but but there there

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Speaker 1: are like yeah, but there there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: studies or startups. I just invested in one that is

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Speaker 1: actually Uh. They have a device where you're on a

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Speaker 1: like a zoom call with the nurse where she she

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01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 1: releases a certain amount through the device. If you try

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01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 1: to break into it, the Keneman gets neutralized and you

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01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 1: only do it once every three weeks or something. Uh.

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Speaker 1: These guys worked with lamar Odom just came out with

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Speaker 1: the documentary saving him from his horrible addictions using primarily

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01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: Akademine NBA game. But you just had to fight the

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01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:14,519
Speaker 1: other day. He's got in the boxing. Yeah, he's my boy.

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Speaker 1: So I met him through these guys and he's such

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Speaker 1: a cool dude. I think I'm gonna have him on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Like he's got such an incredible recovery story

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Speaker 1: and the obviously I'm so passionate about psychedelics. To see

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Speaker 1: how psychedelics have just radically shifted the course of his life,

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Speaker 1: his whole love brain, his whole story has been crazy.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Odom Reborn, they just released it on YouTube, is

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Speaker 1: literally about his psychedelic recovery. It's it's it's a beautiful documentary.

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Speaker 1: Highly recommend him. Well that's great, man, Is there anything

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Speaker 1: else for missing Jeremy that you want to shout out there,

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01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 1: give out no. I mean, look, just don't buy the

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01:46:49,120 --> 01:46:53,880
Speaker 1: chick cooins. You know, you know, you know you can

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01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 1: go try Made Man for like five dollars for a

1941
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:00,600
Speaker 1: ten day trial. It's worth it. It's it's worth it.

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01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 1: It's like, look, you brush your teeth, you use the odorant,

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01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 1: you should use skincare. It's it should just be part

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01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 1: of that daily regiment. It adds less than two minutes

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Speaker 1: to your day and you'll be so thankful you did

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01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 1: when all your friends are, you know, looking old and

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01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 1: haggard when they're forty or fifty, and uh you're not,

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Speaker 1: you know, starting now, starting now, well, thank you brother.

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Speaker 1: Well there it is guys, it's Cannabis Talk one on one.

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Speaker 1: And remember this, if no one else loves you, we do.

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