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Speaker 1: wants to control my boyfriend's life. The sister don't let

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Speaker 1: her do it. Also trigger warning it mentions of abuse.

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Speaker 1: So my boyfriend Mark twenty four male is an amazing guy.

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Speaker 1: He's kind, funny, and a great human. Recently, he got

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Speaker 1: into a big fight with his older sister, Maggie thirty

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Speaker 1: seven female, which has affected the family dynamics to the

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Speaker 1: points that every single member is involved, including me. By

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Speaker 1: I've been dating Mark for almost four years. His family

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Speaker 1: includes his mom, Lisa fifty nine female, his oldest sister,

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Speaker 1: Maggie thirty seven female, and his middle sister Sarah thirty

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Speaker 1: four female. This feels like the amount of characters that

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Speaker 1: requires a whiteboard. Shall we get it out?

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Speaker 2: We shall get it out.

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Speaker 1: Let's get it out. Let's get it out, because we

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Speaker 1: got we got a whole cast of people right now.

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Speaker 1: Ye oh my god, we're and we're gonna get more,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna get more, and now hopefully not too

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Speaker 1: much more. So we have a boyfriend, Mark twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Male twenty four Okay, We have his older.

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Speaker 1: Sister, Maggie thirty seven female, and then we have his mom,

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Speaker 1: Lisa fifty nine female, and then his middle sister, Sarah

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Speaker 1: thirty four female. And that is it.

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Speaker 2: Ut take just looking at the numbers right now, Maggie

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Speaker 2: is actually his mom, right, No way, let's just math.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It could be so crazy. Wait thirty seven minus twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Never mind, it's too crazy, all right.

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Speaker 1: So his parents divorced when he was about sixteen because

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Speaker 1: his dad was a self absorbed person, rude, a conspiracy theorist,

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Speaker 1: and emotionally harmful to his mom and middle sister. His

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Speaker 1: dad no longer lives with them since he moved overseas.

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Speaker 1: This matters later on, So I only have close relationships

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Speaker 1: with Lisa, Maggie and Sarah. Lisa is the mom.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Lisa's mom. Maggie's the sister in law.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Maggie, is I think his sister.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes sister Mark's sister.

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Speaker 1: Yes yeah. So I consider them my family because they

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Speaker 1: treat me with so much love and care. But now

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Speaker 1: let me explain the fights. Around early January this year,

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Speaker 1: I had a serious medical emergency with my kidneys. I

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Speaker 1: heavy infection. Oh no. My doctor recommended lots of rest

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Speaker 1: and not to stress much during this time as it

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Speaker 1: could affect my overall health. This made me feel tired

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Speaker 1: me and loving me through it allfortunate during this time,

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Speaker 1: Mark was fired from his job because of some changes

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Speaker 1: in his company. He works in sales. It's no big deal,

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Speaker 1: we have savings, but I was still worried for us.

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Speaker 1: I blame my anxiety for this. During this time, I

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Speaker 1: helped him look for a new job, update his resume,

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Speaker 1: It sounds like they support each other us. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At first, we only told Sarah as she's the closest

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Speaker 1: to both of us and we value her advice and thoughts.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't worried about us because he knows we're responsible adults. However,

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Speaker 1: during a call with Maggie, Mark told her that he

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Speaker 2: And Maggie's going to take this all with good spirits

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Speaker 2: and say we understand, hmmm. Right.

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Speaker 1: He also mentioned that he had a promising interview coming

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Speaker 1: which sounds okay. Maggie works for a big accounting firm,

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Speaker 1: and pushing them to make her lifestyle the norm, which

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Speaker 1: is not a good idea if you can't afford that lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and plus, if you get this job, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: Oh like you think you think she's gonna leverage this

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Speaker 1: get the idea of the kind of person she is.

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Speaker 1: Maggie frequently messaged Mark and me nearly every other day,

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Speaker 1: who also works in sales but in IT services, pushing

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Speaker 1: him to apply for all of them. So far, though,

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Speaker 1: it seems like she's like being like, yes, maybe overly pushy,

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Speaker 2: So far looks like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark doesn't want to go back into sales because

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Speaker 1: he wasn't happy doing that and wants to try something different,

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Speaker 1: like admin or management. Politely but firmly, Mark responded to

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Speaker 1: Mackie's messages saying no, thank you. I'm doing well at

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Speaker 1: plan despite oh yeah, quick quickly sidebar Riley, do you

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Speaker 1: think that's a good response? What do you think.

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Speaker 2: Seems like if a reasonable person got that message, they

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Speaker 2: take it reasonably well, that I mean seems like I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like that is a boundary. It's like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I guess I don't need to I don't

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Speaker 2: They got it right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it would be a

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Speaker 1: little bit bummed, like oh I was just crying your

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Speaker 1: hell yeah, but like but like I would understand low.

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Speaker 2: Key, I'd probably want Maggie's help on this, seeing her lifestyle,

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Speaker 2: you know, for lifestyle, her network is like she knows

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and as you know, your network is your net worth.

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Speaker 1: That's from like a Topez or Ty Lopez as like,

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Speaker 1: you know what's better than these two Lamborghinis? Knowledge did

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Speaker 1: you see that video? It's like it's like no og

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Speaker 2: I'm stuck going the dj KLi being like no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Despite Mark's clear response, Maggie persisted in sending him sales

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Speaker 1: into the descriptions, they're clearly sales roles. Mark responded again,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your concern and your help, but my partner

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Speaker 1: so then we have established the boundary again. While all

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Speaker 1: This made my anxiety and stress levels high. I trust

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Speaker 1: regarding our household jobs and so on. We always have

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Speaker 1: afford to only have one of us working. Now this

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: No no, he's getting in the middle.

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Speaker 2: I do not recommend getting in between siblings interactly. I

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Speaker 1: I feel like it. I feel like when you get

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Speaker 1: involved in a family dynamic that you don't understand, it's

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Speaker 1: just like like the family dynamic precedes you by decades

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Speaker 1: I understand if you're like maybe her partner and stuff

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Speaker 1: you want to help or whatever. Mark told me he'd

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: The angle pay for the position he applied for increased,

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Speaker 1: Boom yo, that's great. I was so happy for him.

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Speaker 1: We agree that this job was the best for him now,

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Speaker 1: and he was excited to start again with his old team.

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Speaker 1: We told Lisa and Sarah. Lisa wasn't too happy about it,

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Speaker 1: but she trusted Mark's decision. Sarah was also excited and supportive,

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Speaker 2: Didn't play by the rules of Maggie's world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Maggie's world rules supreme. She'll kick you out. Need

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Speaker 1: On the same day, Maggie messaged me saying something like this, Hey, Opie,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're feeling better with your kidney stuff. As

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Speaker 1: another job. Can you please convince him not to take

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Speaker 1: well so he works in this company under my referral.

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Speaker 1: There is the issue under my referral? Did everyone catch

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Speaker 1: She's trying to get the bag for the referral, because

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Speaker 1: you get you usually get money for referring someone to

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Speaker 2: What. Yeah, I didn't know that. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: like under my referral, like, oh, you're gonna make me

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like it's not all the time, but

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Speaker 1: like for some like high paying tech jobs, if you

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Speaker 1: refer someone you could get up to like chat correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but I think you woul get

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Speaker 1: up to like six figures for some like really high

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Speaker 1: that's the upper end. But that is that is ridiculous. Well,

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Speaker 1: there you go, Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, because.

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Speaker 2: This job seems really good to him, for him, I mean,

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Speaker 2: if it was like it just feels super easy for

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Speaker 2: Mark to get into this job because someone he knows,

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Speaker 2: he's getting pay increased, he's got incentives lined up, and

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Speaker 2: this other thing I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Also, he doesn't want to work a tech sales job anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I'm going to tell my mom to do

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Speaker 1: this as well, so you're not alone. That's what Maggie says.

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Speaker 1: I was a bit shocked since it seemed an odd

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Speaker 1: get you want the best for him, but he is

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Speaker 1: not interested in that sort of job. We talked about

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to force him or crush his spirits

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no, not going for his manhood.

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Speaker 1: Not going. You're you're gripping his manhood and you're flushing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not none of this. Not a man over a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Kaylin says, Nah, she's losing that bag. She's gonna

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Speaker 1: I saw police going to fishermen in Hawaii a video

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Speaker 1: know who else stands on business? Mark? Because Mark freaking

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Speaker 2: But Sam, oh, do you remember what happened to the

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Speaker 2: Hasn't been around because he left the family to go

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's like Marcus throwing the family lore, being

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even think of that.

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Speaker 1: But once he sent that message, Mark blocked Maggie right away,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like the the phone block analogy we always use.

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Speaker 2: Do you think she should tell the sister and the

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Speaker 2: I think give him my heads up would be good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like do we need avengers assembly of these of

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, not that just just Mark would be

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Speaker 2: Just want to let you know. Not needed anything to

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Speaker 1: But I would love to know what you guys think.

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Speaker 1: Let us know in the comments. But we're going to

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Speaker 1: needed to happen. He is just disappointed in his older sister.

435
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 1: I know Mark loves his sister, but he doesn't want

436
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: to keep being her doormat and feels it's time someone

437
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: stands up about her behavior. So any advice would be appreciated.

438
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: But I kind of feel this was my fault since

439
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 1: I spoke out and kind of broke the camel's back.

440
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: So am I the a hole?

441
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 2: She OPI you didn't go to Maggie and message her first.

442
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: She messaged you trying to convince Mark to take this job.

443
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like. I mean, Maggie was the instigator

444
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: in every way. Oh, and like to try to protect

445
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: your peace after you had go like undergone surgery, fear

446
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: your kidneys, kidney surgery.

447
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: And you're in pain.

448
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: You only got two of those.

449
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: You can only sell one, and you can only sell one. Yeah, Liver,

450
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 2: you can splice and.

451
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: That's true, and we grow so you can keep selling

452
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: that you only have two, you only have two. But Yeah,

453
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: in conclusion, I do not think Op is the a

454
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: hole you needed to create boundaries. I do think the

455
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: boundary that was created was more aggressive than it needed

456
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: to be to be placed. However, I do not fault

457
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 1: Ope or Mark for placing it aggressively because of how

458
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: many times they were poked. As as someone said, you

459
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: have poked the bear you get the claws and the

460
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: teeth and you get the whole bear. But we got

461
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: we got another story for you. That's the end of

462
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: that one.

463
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: We do, we do.

464
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: Sam Chan said, what business are you in?

465
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: Oh?

466
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: Just the liver.

467
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: Business, you know I live. I'm in the spleen business.

468
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: The spleen business. Oh man, all right, I think that's it.

469
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: We got another story.

470
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: My in laws are furious over me canceling a babysitting appointment.

471
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: That seems like a thing you shouldn't be furious about.

472
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: My husband and I have three children. One of them

473
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: has given us grandchildren, which is something I dreamed of

474
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: and planned for for years.

475
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: We love a grand baby. We love them, We love them,

476
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: and we know how absolutely deliriously into grand baby's grandparents are.

477
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: So let's see.

478
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: Our other two are childless, which is fine. They're happy.

479
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: I read between the lines of there successfully and have

480
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: large networks of friends. We are proud of them all.

481
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: By the way, this comes from Helpful Vast daty eight

482
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Speaker 2: And if you want to make of your own stories,

483
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Speaker 2: go to the r side showcase story. Ti'm still Reddit.

484
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: So our sister in law is very connected with his family.

485
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: His family is a priority in his life from the beginning,

486
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: he attempted to integrate us into his family, which we

487
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: politely declined.

488
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, who integrated him to his family?

489
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't really get My husband and I

490
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: have three children, one of them has given us grandchildren.

491
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: Wait, so op was invited into one of their family's

492
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: family and decline that, Yeah, that's crazy? Is that not crazy?

493
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: Does that that feels?

494
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: Wait?

495
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: Can you read that science again?

496
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm kind of confused by who his is it? Because

497
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 2: Ope goes like, our sister in law is very connected

498
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: with his family. Who's his husband? Husband? Okay, so husband's

499
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: family is a priority in his life from the beginning,

500
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 2: husband tried attempted to integrate us into his family, which

501
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: we politely declined.

502
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 3: So the sister in law's husband, our sister in law's

503
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: I think it's either his sister or his like siblings sister.

504
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: The son in law, I think, oh, son, that's what

505
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: sweet memories is said. The son in law is trying

506
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: to integrate op into his family's life, and Ops like, no.

507
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, it's yeah.

508
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 3: So it's one of Opie's kids has his and his children,

509
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: and so I think it's talking about Ope's child's husband.

510
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 4: Your partner.

511
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to read it back a little bit.

512
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: Child's husband is trying to integrate Ope into his like

513
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: larger family. Okay, it all seems he's like, Nah, I'm chill,

514
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm good.

515
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

516
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, So doesn't want to be involved in his child's

517
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: in laws.

518
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to read it back differently.

519
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: That feels like, I don't know. I don't like the

520
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: energy of that.

521
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't either. Okay, So our son

522
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: in law is very connected with his family. His family

523
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: is a priority in his life. From the beginning, he

524
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 2: had tempted to integrate us into his family, which we

525
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: politely declined. We have our own traditions, hobbies and interests,

526
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: and our own family network. We did not see any

527
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: reason to give that up and felt that we could

528
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: coexist peacefully.

529
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 4: Does it feel like you're coexisting?

530
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: Also, I don't think you have to give up your

531
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: family to participate sometimes in another person's I don't know,

532
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: I give up a weekend. Probably something feels weird. But

533
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: maybe I'm I'm wrong here, and please tell me. But

534
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: something feels weird about this.

535
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: In the beginning, the holiday division vacation times, birthdays, et cetera.

536
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: We were challenging, but we most part overcame that with

537
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: the time and patients. I should also mention that they

538
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: live a few hours away, so some traveling is involved

539
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: when we get to see them. On a couple occasions.

540
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: Our son in law became enraged with us over some

541
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: rather trivial matters. It seems as if he wanted to

542
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: become the leader and our family as he seems to

543
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: be in his and model us after his family. We

544
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: try to work things out, but the end result was

545
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: more sweeping the problem under the rug than really resolving

546
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 2: the issue. I think I'm getting a little bit more

547
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: clarity here because he's like, hey, you should come do

548
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: our thing. We should do our thing. Don't have Thanksgiving

549
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 2: over there, have Thanksgiving with our family. Right.

550
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: He's trying to like like basically be clan leader of

551
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: these these multiple families. Like he is, like he's like

552
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: trying to be head honcho exactly. Yeah, he's getting the

553
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: tribes together.

554
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you're the sun in law, you're just like, oh,

555
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: we're going to my wife's parents' house for you know, Christmas.

556
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, to Wat's parents to come to

557
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: my house.

558
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: For I guess because he's trying to Like, maybe he's trying. Yeah,

559
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I see, maybe where the issue is a little bit

560
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: more now.

561
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: Over the years we have tried to help them out,

562
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: helping them fence their yard, babysit, home repairs and remodeling,

563
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: et cetera. We helped them move across the state from

564
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: their college town into their first home. This will be

565
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 2: important to know later. Once when they had an emergency

566
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: in his family, we dropped everything and took time off work,

567
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: using personal vacation time to ensure our grandchildren had care

568
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: so their parents would not have to be concerned about them,

569
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: but could focus on what they needed to. I will

570
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: note that whenever we could use an extra pair of

571
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: hands to help, at times, they are never available due

572
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: to work, their children's schedules, et cetera. Good thing. He

573
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: had two other kids that don't have children. A few

574
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: years go by, my husband's health deteriorated and he was

575
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: forced to retire. At the same time, one of our

576
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: other children, who was working out of state, decided to

577
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: sell her house in our city. Due to the VID lockdowns.

578
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: At the time, there was not much else to do,

579
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: so we offered to empty her house so we would

580
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: not have to travel back and forth to take care

581
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: of it. We spent the entire summer and fall working

582
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: on that house to get it ready to sell. It

583
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: gave us something to do at the time when we

584
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: badly needed a distraction. This also will become important later on. Okay,

585
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: So it seems like they're putting a lot of time

586
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: into this house and helping out their daughter, right, Okay?

587
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: Is it the same daughter with a husband? Okay?

588
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: I think so? Okay, I don't know if I'm like

589
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: one hundred percent there.

590
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: Ope.

591
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: Names would help so much in this, yeah, but I

592
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: feel like I'm like your board pretty on bard.

593
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: Okay, good to go, dude. Nine months later, my husband

594
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: suffered a silent stroke and was hospitalized. As a result,

595
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: he was given a medication protocol which caused some odd

596
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: side effects. Then the following year, he developed congestive heart

597
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 2: failure and was again hospitalized and given more meds to

598
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: add to his routine. About that time, our daughter's family

599
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: found a larger home in a better school system. The

600
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: move was a challenge from the beginning. Significant problems with

601
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: their old home that had to be resolved before the

602
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: cell a vehicle they were counting on suddenly had to

603
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: be replaced, which made money tied for them. They were

604
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: under a tremendous amount of stress. They would call to

605
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: ask of advice, but then reject our advice and make

606
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: decisions that seem hastily and reckless. They gave us to

607
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: come watch the kids during the move, so we agreed

608
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 2: to do so. During the time leading up to the

609
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: move date, things kept going wrong for them, which increased

610
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: their stress. At the same time, my husband began acting

611
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: more and more erratic. I'll cut to the chase here.

612
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: He had stopped taking some of his medications, which he

613
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: should have not done, because he didn't like the way

614
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: they made him feel. I didn't know this at the time, Obviously,

615
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: his behavior became so alarming that I grew concerned about

616
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: our upcoming trip to see the grandkids. I was worried

617
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: about how he would act while they're how the stress

618
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: levels would impact him, if he would try to do

619
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: something he physically should not attempt. I worry that his

620
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: behavior might scare the grandkids. I worry that if he

621
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: became really ill while out of town, how I would

622
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: find help In a city that was so unfamiliar to us,

623
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: with doctors unfamiliar with his situation.

624
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Which is true. I mean, if you have like different doctors,

625
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: they don't know the context. They might like they might

626
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: know the doctor's notes, but like only that doctor's like

627
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: been inside you, you know, yeah, only that doctor's really

628
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: really really uh known your body knows the ins and out,

629
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: those the ins and outs. So I think it's yeah,

630
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: I think it is important to make sure that the

631
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: same doctors looking at you.

632
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: This is pretty you know, lie alarming kind of things

633
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: you need to be aware of. So about two to

634
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: three weeks out, when his behavior grew worse and the

635
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: stress levels increased, I called our daughter and canceled our plans.

636
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: The baby said, due to my husband health, seems reasonable, right.

637
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: I explained the situation so they would understand the decision

638
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: was not made lightly. They detonated. They called us out

639
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: on social media for breaking a promise, posting acute photos

640
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: of the baby who we didn't want to watch, and

641
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: begging for a stand in. Our daughter called me and

642
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: screamed at me over another problem they had with the move,

643
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: blaming us for another problem that happened, even though it

644
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: happened before we could have been there anyways, the day

645
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: of the move, everything that could have gone wrong did.

646
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: I was glad we were not there because it was

647
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: so intense and we felt so much of it could

648
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: have been avoided. For months after the move, they refused

649
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: to speak to us. We reached out from time to time.

650
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: Finally they agreed to a tele conference. We were subjected

651
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: to a lecture about what uncarrying grandparents we were, how

652
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: we should want to spend time with their kids, how

653
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 2: families should always be there for each other.

654
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Speaker 1: I mean, I do agree that there's like some level

655
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: of participation that the grandparents should have, but I don't know,

656
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: I understand, like with all that's going on with the grandparents,

657
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: with like all these medical issues, like it might not

658
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: be possible.

659
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: To tell So why would you want your kids to

660
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: be watched by someone who's having like medical issues and

661
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: you know it might not be that reliable.

662
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that seems like the kids had

663
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: a lot of expectations for the parents and they were

664
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: not met and now they're just like.

665
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Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, I feel but I do. I do feel

666
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: like there's it just seems like there's resistance to just

667
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: be involved in general, even if there wasn't these medical

668
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: issues like they were resistant to be involved beforehand.

669
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Speaker 2: Yeah, John, here og host, We're gonna get back to

670
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Speaker 2: these stories. But a quick three minute break from hous

671
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Speaker 2: from our sponsors, they dredged up a painful time for

672
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: my past and used it to taunt me. They accused

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00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: us of breaking our promise to them. They sided the

674
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: fact that we should help a sibling move, but weren't

675
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: willing to do that for them. We had already helped

676
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: them move once, Remember they fell, We owed them since

677
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: we helped a sibling. I feel certain that they will

678
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: be the only ones to give us grandkids, and that

679
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 2: they deserve special consideration for that. Then they weaponize their

680
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: kids against us, threatening to never let us see them again.

681
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: If this is how we were going to behave In

682
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: all fairness, I also said some things I should not have.

683
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: I shared that I felt as if everything was designed

684
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: to cater to his family, who I would point out

685
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: did not help with the move. They had already made

686
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: other plans for that weekend. I shared that I was

687
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: pretty freaked out by my husband's behavior and what had happened.

688
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: At no time did they express any concerns about his health.

689
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a medical emergency. I feel like there

690
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: should be some some concern about health.

691
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, no empathy at all on any either side. And two,

692
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't the parents have told these kids, Hey, you know,

693
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: your dad's kind of going a little downhill. Yeah, he

694
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: had a silent stroke. Like what they see these updates?

695
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: You should I mean you should give a little bit

696
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: of a license, you know, for that. You should give

697
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of space, which is not what is

698
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: happening at all.

699
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. They called back the next day to talk over

700
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: a few things. They calmed down a bit by then

701
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: and even offered a sorry, we didn't mean to hurt

702
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: anyone apology. But then their husband insisted that we needed

703
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: to show some respect to them if we expected them

704
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: to respect us. That plus the threat to not allow

705
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: us to see the grandkids made me feel that we

706
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: would just be continuing the cycle of not resolving the

707
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: real problem. At this point, I went low contact with him.

708
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: We have a little bit left to be samo Any

709
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: thoughts on this.

710
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the grandparents aren't given enough space

711
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: for these medical emergencies that are experiencing. But I also

712
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: still feel like there is some resistance even this happened.

713
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: So I feel like if we were there and had

714
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: dinner with them, with everyone, yeah, we would know, we

715
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 2: would pick up the vibes.

716
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I don't have enough understanding of

717
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: the vibe. Says kind of sounds like Opie's family is

718
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: being made the scapegoat of all their problems because of

719
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: son in law. Kim Roberts says, my heart is breaking

720
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: for Opie. Yeah, and then Wrestling Mama says, why should

721
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: they be concerned about his health? They need to help moving,

722
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Dad needs to get it together, and the audacity of

723
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: dad to get sick when they need help moving.

724
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

725
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: I read that initially as like, what sarcasm from Wrestling Mama.

726
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 4: Thank you sarcasm Wrestling Mama.

727
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

728
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: I do think like there's I think the son in

729
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: law is pressing way too much. But I do think

730
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: there's some animosity that the grandparents already had before this.

731
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious where that's coming.

732
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: From the part where she said I said some things

733
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said, but didn't say what she said

734
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: that rubbed me the wrong way. She's like, a minute,

735
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: she does something wrong, but then right back on to like, yeah,

736
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: what her daughter was doing wrong.

737
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's see how the rest of the story

738
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: pans out.

739
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: It's been a couple of years since this happened. Wow,

740
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: My husband, who feels differently than I do, has traveled

741
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: to see them a few times. I believe this is

742
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: a part of the prob but he is entitled to

743
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: his own opinion, and it has kept the lines of

744
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: communication a bit open. During this time, my mother became

745
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: very ill and it became harder for me to travel

746
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: in case she had an emergency. She passed away recently,

747
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: and they did not express any sympathy or a sense

748
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: of loss for her, not even a card or call.

749
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: My husband's trips will become more difficult soon, as he

750
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: had friends with family between here and there and was

751
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: often able to catch a ride so he didn't have

752
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: to make the trip alone. They have since moved, so

753
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: he will have to make future trips by himself unless

754
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: I go along. Part of me would like to reach

755
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: out again and offer an olive branch, but another part

756
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: of me says they're not ready yet, and to wait.

757
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: Am I the a hole for I guess waiting?

758
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's like elements of the story where

759
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: I feel like there might be a holishness, but I

760
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: don't think I have enough context on I.

761
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: Think that it's interesting that Opie's husband, who was kind

762
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: of like the catalyst of them, not you know, all

763
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: these problems because it was not not purposely, but because

764
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: these medical problems, and he's still willing to go see them.

765
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: So I'm wondering why they have differing opinion. Yeah, even though, like,

766
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: if anything, he was kind of more affected because he

767
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: was experiencing the medical rule.

768
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Speaker 1: It feels like there's a missing information here. But I

769
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: would love to know what you guys think. We're you know,

770
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: often we're wrong, So just let us know what you

771
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: guys think.

772
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: We have a comment. OPI doesn't reply, should we?

773
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, we can give it. Let's go it. Yeah, yeah,

774
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: but I let us know what you think in the

775
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: comments below. But we got one more story in this episode.

776
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: We have one more story.

777
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: Cool, let's hit it.

778
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 4: Let's hit it.

779
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: My sister in law's toxicity made me want to ignore her.

780
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: I gotta ignore he.

781
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: Then, I, twenty four female, and my husband twenty three male,

782
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: do not get along with my older brother in law's

783
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: wife at all. For the purpose of the story. I'll

784
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: refer to the brother in law's wife as Kate, but

785
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: it's a name change obviously for starters. When I met

786
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: my husband, so now husband, brother in law, and Kate

787
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: had already been dating for over a year. When I

788
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: came along, my husband was dating someone else. So husband

789
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: has an exo when he wasn't your husband that no

790
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: one really liked. This is relevant. I swear we were

791
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: all teenagers at the time, and this girl husband's ex

792
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: was one of those overly clingy girls, and you could

793
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: tell that this was her first real relationship. God forband

794
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: a girl love a first real relationship. Yeah. Illegal. When

795
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: I came along, my husband was already trying to break

796
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: up with her, but she was using the don't leave

797
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: me or I'll hurt my self tactic, again, which is nuts. Yeah,

798
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: and she's a little nuts anyway, Kate really hated this girl,

799
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: like screaming matches. So this is the brother in law's

800
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: wife hated husband's ex when they are around each other.

801
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: Kind of mutual hate. By the way, this comes from

802
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: affectionate puppers. And if you want to submit your own stories,

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Speaker 1: go to the r slash Okay storytime subber it. So

804
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: once I started to get to know my husband, and

805
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: at the time, this was not her husband, This was

806
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: just some guy that was dating a girl. We started

807
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: crushing on each other pretty hard and our work messages

808
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: turned more flirty, and his girlfriend actually messaged me to

809
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: stop talking to him, which is ridiculous.

810
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: That is wild.

811
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: Ridiculous for a girlfriend to be like, stop talking to

812
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: my boyfriend who's not your boyfriend, stopped flirting with him?

813
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 4: Dare she?

814
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: How?

815
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: Dare she ridiculous? Right?

816
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

817
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: I screenshot did the messages between my husband's ex and me,

818
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: basically her being like, stop talking to my boyfriend, and

819
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: sent it to my now husband and asked if I

820
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: was crossing a line.

821
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: It's crazy that op he like said she was flirting

822
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: and was like.

823
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: A lot, they don't you really know about this girlfriend?

824
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: Because the guy probably had in his mind.

825
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: If he did know about the girlfriend because he texted her.

826
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: But he but the he's like, oh, you're trying to

827
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: break up with her, so this is fair game.

828
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 4: She didn't know that at the time.

829
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: She didn't know. I think, I think, I think the

830
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: beginning of this relationship, in Gem's words, outrageous. The beginning

831
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: of this relationship is cursed.

832
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: But so the only your girlfriend stop you for finding

833
00:39:59,280 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: your wife.

834
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: I mean that is something that Riley says, but I

835
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: love the thing. Unethical. So I screenshotted it to my

836
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: husband and asked if I was crossing the line. Yeah,

837
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: ask the other perpetrator. If you're crossing the line, asked

838
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: the criminals.

839
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: If the crime is bad, it's okay.

840
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: Apparently, when he started to message me on his own

841
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: and flirt more, he had already tried to dump her

842
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: and she was hanging around anyway.

843
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: Dude, either do or don't do. There's no drying.

844
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you dump or you don't dump, there's no

845
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: in between. Well, news got out that I was the

846
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: reason their relationship ended. So the relationship between Opie's husband

847
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: and his ex and Kate brother in law's wife used

848
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: it as a chance to really get the girlfriend away.

849
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: So this is like the ex So Kate, I don't know,

850
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's a red flag. It's a

851
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: red flag. You know, if she's involved in breaking up

852
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: this relationship, she might be involved in bringing up breaking

853
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: up the next one. Yeah. Yeah, you lose them. How

854
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: you lose the next one and you get this one?

855
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: How you?

856
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? That's probably what's gonna happen.

857
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: Kate invited the two of us out together to spend

858
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: more time together. So now Kate's playing matchmaker between Op

859
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: and Op's now husband and really tell his ex that

860
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: they were over. So I guess the ex still doesn't

861
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: believe that it's over. Here's where the issue with me

862
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: and Kate starts. And before we get into that, I

863
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: would just like to say how messy all of this is.

864
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is.

865
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: So ridiculously messy.

866
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: She don't start talking to someone and flirting with him,

867
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: but they're already with someone, no matter if they're about

868
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: to break up or have it broken up. That like

869
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: there's still in a relationship.

870
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicole Ah says they were in high school. Sure,

871
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: but now they're in a relationship that started from the

872
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: setspool that was this beginning. This is like so bad.

873
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until two weeks after my husband I

874
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: started dating and announced the news to everyone that she

875
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: started to hate me the X or Kate's maybe maybe

876
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: it's Kate. I'd learn later that I was supposed to

877
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: get them to break up, not start dating my husband.

878
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: So Kate was using Op as a pawn to break

879
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: them up. Kate is evil.

880
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: You wouldn't know a pon, not the Queen o Pee.

881
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: But wanted to break up for real because Kate wanted

882
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: to set her sister up with him.

883
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: Oh interesting spoiler.

884
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: I talked to the sister years later, and she had

885
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: no idea where this was coming from. She didn't even

886
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: have a crush on my husband. From that moment on,

887
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: she really laid it on thick. Kate did how much

888
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: he disliked me. Kate would mumble insults under my breath,

889
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: tell my in laws in private that I was a

890
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: bad person, and tried to start a smear campaign against

891
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: me so my husband would break up with me. It

892
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: clearly didn't work.

893
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: I love that Kate didn't check with the sister. Hey

894
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: do you like this guy? It was no, you're gonna

895
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: get with him.

896
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Kate has her own plans. Yeah, Kate's gonna

897
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: make Kate's plans work regardless of how anyone else feels.

898
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: Right, and if it doesn't work in that world, she

899
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: should probably go play a non.

900
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: Little Yeah, She'll play sex life or something, yeah, and

901
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: make it work in that world. I actually was really

902
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: bummed about all this because I didn't have a sister.

903
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to having a sisterly bond or

904
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: relationship with Kate, and when that went the other direction,

905
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: I went up to her in private at a family

906
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: there and told her I was sorry if I had

907
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: ever done anything to upset her, but that I really

908
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: liked my husband and was hoping her and I could

909
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: at least be friend. She stormed out after calling me

910
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: a witch, and that made my in laws really see

911
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: her as someone different. Kate is piss She's crazy, she's crazy.

912
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: She liter Kate broke up a relationship which you know,

913
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it was great for Op's current husband

914
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: used Op as a pawn all to get Op's husband

915
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: to date her sister. So then next level crazy conspiracy.

916
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: Theory to add on to that, so then she could

917
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: take over the family business with her family, because if

918
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: Kate is married to the brother in law, and then

919
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: Kate's sister is married to the husband, and if, like say,

920
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: the brother in law and husband have like a family business,

921
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: they can take that over.

922
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: They can be they can be the queens, the queens

923
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: of the business. I mean, I think they're trying to.

924
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: They're trying to. They're definitely trying to take over the

925
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: family for sure. This is like old king vibes, you know,

926
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: this is like this is how you unite kingdoms through marriage, bloodshedded,

927
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: Machiavellian games. Well, I got closer to them this way

928
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: and they were amazing. So we got closer to the

929
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: in laws and they were amazing to me, but iced

930
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: her out. Kate, that is because of her actions. From

931
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: that day on, She's continued to get them to hate

932
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: me behind my back, but they aren't falling for it anymore.

933
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: In laws are seeing through Kate's bs. Instead, she went

934
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: overboard and played a prank on my husband that backfired.

935
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: I won't go into detail about the prank, but let's

936
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: just say it didn't go as planned for anyone, and

937
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: it involved him and his ex potentially doing something inappropriate

938
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: that caused my husband to nearly be fired and charged.

939
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: If it wasn't proved to be wrong, what.

940
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: I can't even say think of what that could have been.

941
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like Kate said that they were that him

942
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: and his ex were boning at the workplace.

943
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yea yeah.

944
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: Of course those involved and said prank didn't fess up

945
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: to it. From how sour it went by accident. One

946
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: of the people involved that it slipped to me that

947
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: it was a prank and how Kate had been the

948
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: mastermind behind it. Of course I told my husband right away,

949
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: as I thought he had the right to know. It

950
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere from there, but he was extremely pissed

951
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: and what was left of his relationship with Kate crumbled,

952
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: which honestly is good because Kate sounds absolutely crazy. She's

953
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: trying to like control all of the relationships around her.

954
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

955
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: Also I feel bad for the brother in law, the

956
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: guy married to Kate, Like what does he have to

957
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: deal with?

958
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: You're right, people are saying they got to talk because

959
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: if husband was with his ex is crazy x and

960
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: then brother in law's with Kate, she's a little nuts.

961
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: So M probably like him a little.

962
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: A little crazy, a little crazy, a little crazy because

963
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we know, we know, we know,

964
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: I personally do not know. Hey, it's sam og host.

965
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: We get back to these delectable stories. But here's three

966
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: minutes of ads from our sponsors to help support the show. Well,

967
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: he was extremely pissed and what was left of the

968
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: relationship with Kate crumbled. Now he wanted nothing to do

969
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: with her. Ever, I thought he told his parents to

970
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: help clear his name. But when I made a joke

971
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: a year later to him and his parents about her

972
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: pranks never being funny and ended up worse, they asked

973
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: me what I meant. At this point, Kate and brother

974
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: in law were engaged, and when I told them about

975
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: the prank and how it was all Kate's idea, they

976
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: apparently told brother in law and asked him if he

977
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: was seriously dating someone who did something so awful to

978
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: not just a human being, but to his brother of

979
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: all people.

980
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: So not only did Ope break up a relationship, he

981
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: broke up an engagement.

982
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: And you know this is how she was like yeah,

983
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: and just after the prank and the parents were like

984
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: what what you know when Kate did the prank, and

985
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 3: they were.

986
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: Like, what are you talking about? Did you let them

987
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 4: figure it out? Oh you don't?

988
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: Don't you know?

989
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: You didn't hear about the prank?

990
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: O Kate tell them? Feels like a movie.

991
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like I feel like both Op and

992
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: Kate are kind of playing the same game. Yes, I

993
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: feel like there are two sides of the same coin

994
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: on opposite ends, Like they are the They're like dark

995
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: Vader Yoda, except if both of them were evil.

996
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like, uh, Sam for immediately proving my point

997
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 3: when I to my pieces, what pieces says, thanks guys,

998
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 3: having to sit with you guys, hope you don't mind

999
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: a nerd at the cool table. And I said, we're

1000
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 3: all nerds here, and then you said Yoda.

1001
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Hitler and Stalin like each other, that.

1002
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: One's better, that one's better than you. I like Hitler

1003
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: and Stallin, but I learned it here first.

1004
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: Folks.

1005
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, to clip that, please don't clip This man

1006
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: is traveling a lot, bro whatever that means.

1007
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: I think that is a more apt metaphor than my

1008
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Yoda dark Vader. Wow. This caused a huge rift between

1009
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: brother in law and his family after they were married.

1010
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: So they still got married. Brother in law and Kate

1011
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: sort of dropped everyone, but that was fine with me

1012
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: and my husband, who saw her as the only evil

1013
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: and cruel one at this point, because you know, brother.

1014
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: In law doesn't see her as evil. She's like, oh,

1015
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: all these people, you're a victim. All these people are

1016
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: doing these bad things to you.

1017
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean brother in law is getting everything from Kate.

1018
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: You know. Also, Kim find said, and so that's who

1019
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: knocked Elon off his throne. Guys, please, guys, please, Yeah.

1020
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 4: The postress on Sam's wall.

1021
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Viva revolution or I don't know, whatever you

1022
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: decide about revolution, but skipping we had a few years.

1023
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: Kate only iced me out more and more when she

1024
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 1: had a kid. She hated when their kid would talk

1025
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: to me or like being around me. I had always

1026
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: worked with kids, so I will brag about being good

1027
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: with small children and how they tend to like me,

1028
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: which pissed her off. When husband and I got married,

1029
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: she tried to play nicer, seeing I really wasn't going anywhere,

1030
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: but it didn't last long. The passive aggression and back

1031
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: handed comments came back quickly.

1032
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: I feel like they're both doing it to each other.

1033
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guys, can we do a poll really quick?

1034
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: Do we think Kate and o PI are playing the

1035
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: same games? Because it feels like they are.

1036
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: The definitely are and we're not getting any of the

1037
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: bad things.

1038
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Are they the same or are they different? K Yeah,

1039
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: Kate's the problem, both the problem.

1040
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that.

1041
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: The passive aggression and back headed comments came back quickly.

1042
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't until I got pregnant a couple months later

1043
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: after her announcement that she went off the rails. She

1044
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: started acting like she was helping me by telling me

1045
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: what I needed to be doing, what needed to be

1046
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: read or get. But I only smiled and told her

1047
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: I'd look into it. I mean, that feels like Kate's

1048
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: actually trying to help baby stuff. I feel like, I

1049
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like Kate's actually helping there.

1050
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: How is it being helped just like uh OPI does

1051
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: something and it's like, well, you know this would be

1052
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: actually harmful to the baby.

1053
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be that, or it could just be like, hey,

1054
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: you should read this baby book that I was reading. Yeah,

1055
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: she hated I wasn't looking up to her and taking

1056
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: her advice as gold trigger warning for expecting mothers for

1057
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: what I'm about to say. When I wasn't taking her

1058
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: words seriously or treating her like a queen that knew

1059
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: more than me as well as my pregnancy going smoother

1060
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: and having less issues as well as having the gender

1061
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: she wanted, she flipped out.

1062
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: As you can see, she's playing a little bit of games.

1063
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: Go back. Can you pull that up a little bit again? Sophia.

1064
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: She said, uh, as me, as my pregnancy was going

1065
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: smoother and having less issues, you didn't have to put

1066
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: that in there.

1067
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, She's like, my pregnancy is so much better than.

1068
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: Kate does she wanted? Yeah?

1069
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like did we say did we get the gender?

1070
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: No?

1071
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 4: I got yu oh oh, Kate, you wanted a boy.

1072
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: Guess what I got a boy? A boy.

1073
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 4: It's so sad that you weren't able to get a boy.

1074
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: Wrecked Kate. Yeah, dude, they're playing the same games.

1075
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: They're playing in the same game started it.

1076
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: I think probably, Yeah, but I feel like they're both

1077
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: matching energies.

1078
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Kate started telling me horror birth stories about what

1079
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: could go wrong, how one of her friends nearly passed away,

1080
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: and warned me everything that could happen. I knew she

1081
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: was saying to scare me, but I was freaked out

1082
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: a little. When I was about seven months along, she

1083
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: started having bad issues and was telling me to look

1084
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: out for certain signs, and I told her I wasn't

1085
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: having any problems or serious symptoms like she was experiencing.

1086
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: With a bit of rage in her eyes. When we

1087
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: were alone in the same room, she told me to

1088
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: be careful because first time pregnancies usually end in miscarriage.

1089
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: Were still born. Because I don't know what to expect,

1090
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: the chances were higher for me, and this really did

1091
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: it for me. I stood up. I told her to

1092
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: go her self, loud enough for everyone in the room

1093
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: to overhear, and told my we were leaving. I cried

1094
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: so hard and booked an appointment for the next day

1095
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: to check on my baby because I was so scared.

1096
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: My husband told his parents what was said after, and

1097
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: I bawled my eyes out. Tim I was born with

1098
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: the umbilical cord around my neck and passed away for

1099
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: two minutes, so I was already freaking the heck out.

1100
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: Yah. Same, you were born with your umbilical cord around

1101
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: your neck. And I had something in my mouth where

1102
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: I didn't breathe for like the first few minutes of

1103
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: my life either, so like Loki shouldn't have been here.

1104
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: The doctor was spinning me around the room and like

1105
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: patting my back and all the things, like shaking me

1106
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: upside down, and then there's something in my mouth and

1107
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, and I got the purple gun and then

1108
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: I was a baby. Yeah, that's crazy.

1109
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: Riley almost wasn't here, I.

1110
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: Know, so like whenever people were like I was born ready, me.

1111
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: I was not born.

1112
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: I was not born ready.

1113
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that. That's crazy, I know,

1114
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: little blue baby.

1115
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 2: You did?

1116
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 4: You talk about it all the time?

1117
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 3: I do.

1118
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1119
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: To say my in laws were disgusted and pissed, She'd

1120
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: say that to me was an understatement. Everyone was sort

1121
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: of mad at her after that, and from then on

1122
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: I didn't acknowledge Kate or care for her at all.

1123
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: My husband referred to Kate as that which my brother

1124
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: married to our friends and family, and i'd correct him,

1125
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: telling him to be nice to his wife. But not anymore.

1126
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: Now I referred to her as such, and when talking

1127
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: about my baby, she was uncle's wife, never to be

1128
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: called aunt, as she does not deserve the title. Well

1129
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: me ignoring her only made things worse, as Kate started

1130
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: complaining about anything and everything people did for me. If

1131
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: my in laws bought something for us, she'd complain that

1132
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: they were picking favorites. Already something she said about me

1133
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: and my husband being their favorites, so it wasn't new.

1134
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: If they asked me about our baby, she'd get mad.

1135
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: I dared to say, I was looking forward to something

1136
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: or enjoying the princess treatment by my husband and my

1137
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: side of the family. Once I asked my husband to

1138
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: refill my drink I was constantly thirsty while pregnant. I

1139
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: smiled at him and said please in the nicest way

1140
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: I could since it was hot and I was already

1141
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: asking him for so much help being as far along

1142
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: as I was. Instead of rolling his eyes, my husband

1143
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: kids my head then my belly and said, yeah, what

1144
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: did you have in mind? Like I said, some serious

1145
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: princess treatment. It sounds like, oh, he's getting the prince's treatment.

1146
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: Is good. Then a few seconds later, brother in law

1147
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: walked in and she told him to get her more water,

1148
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: and he had some excuse about being in the middle

1149
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: of something. It was really awkward after that more so

1150
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: wait wait, so Op asked for water, then Kate Kate

1151
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: asked for water, and she's like watch this. My husband

1152
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: can do it too, and she's like.

1153
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: Water please, and he's like, oh I got a headache.

1154
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry, sorry, babe, can't do that. Can't do that.

1155
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: Oh no, this doesn't look good because like Op's getting

1156
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: everything easier by the ginger she wanted princess treatment and

1157
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: then poor Kate.

1158
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I feel like OP lives for Kate's destruction.

1159
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, she's making faces like that to her

1160
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: in between like the family talking and she's like and

1161
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: then kind of.

1162
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 4: Like did it and he's like, what are you talking about?

1163
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: Also, it seems like everyone is saying Kate is the

1164
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: problem and not both of them. I don't know if

1165
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: I fully agree.

1166
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: I just think I think Kate is jealous and this

1167
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 3: is all caused by her jealousy. But I think Op's

1168
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: like pushing Oh yeah.

1169
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was really awkward after that, more so since

1170
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: my husband took that time to walk back with a

1171
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: drink and say here you go, love. Yikes. After the

1172
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: babies are born, there were some added complications with her birth,

1173
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 1: resulting in her baby being underweight. Nothing dangerously of high concern,

1174
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: just not what parents want to hear. My baby, on

1175
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: the other hand, was in the high eighty percentiles, so

1176
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: they were pretty big wig and big, only slightly taller

1177
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: than their cousin born a month earlier. I love all

1178
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 1: the comparison. When they're oldest wanted to hold her baby.

1179
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: Kate told them, careful, your cousin is smaller, well technically

1180
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: only younger to make fun of my big baby. I

1181
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: only rolled my eyes, but my mother in law said

1182
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: something about my baby being happy and healthy, which pissed

1183
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: Kate off. Even more relevant update, but what do you

1184
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: think Riley?

1185
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: Since the beginning, Kate wanted to be where Opie is.

1186
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: She wanted the family on her side. She wanted to

1187
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: be doing better than a Opie. But now the tables have.

1188
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: Turned, tables have turned.

1189
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: And Opie's in the office seat looking at whoever's in

1190
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: front of her.

1191
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1192
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a beautiful thing.

1193
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing. But I also feel like Kate

1194
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: and Opie kind of have a little bit of a

1195
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: match and energy. Kate's would be like.

1196
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: You know, be good together and things, but she's doing

1197
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: little quipets.

1198
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: And like Opie he's Oh he's poking. Oh he's poking.

1199
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: Oh he's poking. But we got a little bit more

1200
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: of the story. So, because Kate already hated me, because

1201
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: she never really made an effort with my husband and

1202
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: is now angry with my kid for existing, I don't

1203
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: acknowledge her. I don't say hi, I don't look in

1204
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: her direction, and completely ignore her when she's around, I

1205
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: say hi and talk to brother in law and their kids,

1206
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: but that is it. I no longer go out of

1207
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: my way to try to be nice to her or

1208
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: include her on anything. I wish things were different, and

1209
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: I know it would be easier on my in laws

1210
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: if we did get along, but they understand and don't

1211
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: push it on me to make change. They actually tell

1212
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: me that I don't owe her anything since I've tried

1213
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: to play nice for so long already. I feel bad sometimes,

1214
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: as I know she doesn't have a lot of friends

1215
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: or support system like I do, but she brought that

1216
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: upon herself. I also really hope our relationship doesn't affect

1217
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: our kids one day, even though that's wishful thinking. As

1218
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: much as I know it's easier on everyone to keep

1219
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: playing along with the narrative, we at least can stand

1220
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: to be in the same room together. I can't bring

1221
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: myself to do it anymore. Not a smile, not a wave,

1222
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: not a head nod, nothing. Am I the A hole?

1223
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: I think you're less an a hole than Kate's, but

1224
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: I think you because of your doing little jabs, I

1225
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: think you are a little bit the a hole.

1226
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: So I think like Opie's kind of like this is

1227
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: pretty standard behavior from her the whole time, Like she

1228
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: flirts with someone someone's boyfriend, and then it's like.

1229
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the beginning, like op is not making great decision.

1230
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: She kind of and yes, I know they were in

1231
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: high school and whatever, but still like shows sarely odd,

1232
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: but this still shows fairly flawed character.

1233
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: She's trying to make herself literally the angel, but we

1234
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: do that.

1235
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think that's a good point because I

1236
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 3: did forget the ages.

1237
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: Yes, but she does in writing it now she doesn't

1238
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: like like, oh I was young, I was dumb Like

1239
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: that was like I think.

1240
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: She's still young and dumb, like she's in her early twenties.

1241
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: Like she's twenty four. Yeah, she's an idiot absolutely, like

1242
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: anyone that age is an absolute endless soul out there too. Yeah,

1243
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: and that is where the story and episode end. So

1244
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,800
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1245
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