Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky. Hey, juky, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I'm you, said.
Speaker 2: Ias Nandez.
Speaker 1: Me please, hey boo, it's me Raz and welcome to
Speaker 1: Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to
Speaker 1: people that I like about the paranormal. I always love
Speaker 1: when we do these listener phone calls extravaganzas. What you
Speaker 1: are about to hear are real listeners just like you
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Speaker 1: episode with one to two sentence bullet points of your stories.
Speaker 1: You know, leave us wanting more. Don't give it all
Speaker 1: away in the email. This episode is jam packed with stories,
Speaker 1: so I say we just get right into it. Let's
Speaker 1: start off with Jill on with the show. I am
Speaker 1: joined by Jill in Wisconsin. Hello, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm so good I'm psited to be here.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, you have a shared sleep paralysis story, which
Speaker 1: you know, I've talked a lot about sleep paralysis over
Speaker 1: the years, and you know, is it science mixed with
Speaker 1: a little bit of spooky, spooky, I don't know, But
Speaker 1: when it becomes something that more than one person is experiencing,
Speaker 1: that is where I'm like, tell me that story. And
Speaker 1: now I've got Jill here to tell us one had it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So I have definitely experienced some sleep prolysis like here
Speaker 4: and there in my life, but I've definitely never had
Speaker 4: anything even remotely close to what happened. So there was
Speaker 4: one night my husband was my boyfriend at the time,
Speaker 4: but we were renting an apartment. It was the lower
Speaker 4: level of an old house, and nothing like necessarily had
Speaker 4: really ever happened that I was spooky or anything, but
Speaker 4: it was a little off pudding sometimes I don't know.
Speaker 4: But we're sleeping. I woke up because I saw the
Speaker 4: closet door open. I look over and there's somebody that's
Speaker 4: dressed in all black from head to toe. He crawls
Speaker 4: out of the closet. He walks by my side of
Speaker 4: the bed. He walks to the foot of the bed.
Speaker 4: He's looking at me. He puts his finger to his
Speaker 4: lips and like shushes me, and then continues to walk
Speaker 4: by the end of the bed, crawls on top of
Speaker 4: a dresser and then removes like a ceiling tile from
Speaker 4: like a drop ceiling and climbs into the ceiling and
Speaker 4: puts the ceiling tile back. And the whole time, I'm
Speaker 4: screaming at the top of my lungs, trying to wake
Speaker 4: up my husband, trying to shake him away. He's not
Speaker 4: even remotely moving his body, He's just laying there, and
Speaker 4: I just once he was gone, I kind of snapped
Speaker 4: out of that moment, and I the only reason I
Speaker 4: knew it wasn't real was because we didn't have drop
Speaker 4: ceilings in the room. Actually, it was like a full
Speaker 4: solid ceiling. And it took me like a lot of
Speaker 4: minutes to kind of come back from that because it
Speaker 4: felt so real in every single way, shape or form
Speaker 4: that like, I didn't even know how it couldn't be
Speaker 4: real minus the fact that we didn't have drop ceilings.
Speaker 4: So I fell back asleep.
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to maybe die.
Speaker 4: From a heart attack because I was so scared.
Speaker 3: But I did it, which is good.
Speaker 4: And the next morning when I wake up, my husband
Speaker 4: turns to me and he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: last night I had a moment where somebody came out
Speaker 4: of the closet like shushed us, walked around the bed,
Speaker 4: crawled down the dresser, and went into the ceiling. And
Speaker 4: he said that all before I even had a moment
Speaker 4: to utter a word about what I experienced the night before,
Speaker 4: And he said he could not wake me up in
Speaker 4: that moment.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? This isn't real. Also, I bet
Speaker 1: you that the ceiling used to be like that at
Speaker 1: one point.
Speaker 3: Maybe it totally could have been.
Speaker 1: Yes, who is this man in the closet coming out
Speaker 1: of the closet shishing? It doesn't come out, it's twenty
Speaker 1: twenty whatever year it was, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so bizarre. And I could not believe
Speaker 4: that he had had that experience because I was already
Speaker 4: freaked out. But then when you find out that somebody
Speaker 4: had that same experience as you and they weren't able
Speaker 4: to communicate to.
Speaker 3: You in that moment, it was really very unsettling.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like I slept very well in that
Speaker 4: house after at all.
Speaker 1: I just wonder, like, why that would happen on that night, Like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: there's so many questions, Uh, but I love it. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to not know the answers. Yeah, same, So
Speaker 1: what's this little ghost girl story?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So my mom started her teaching career in like the
Speaker 4: early eighties in Milwaukee, so it's like two hours south
Speaker 4: of where I live. And she said that there was
Speaker 4: this day that they, her and her friend were walking
Speaker 4: back from their school to their apartment. They share an
Speaker 4: apartment together, and they taught at the same school, and
Speaker 4: they saw a little girl sitting in the window of
Speaker 4: a building that was like, I don't know, she said,
Speaker 4: of pretty run down. I'm not sure if it was
Speaker 4: lived in or not. But it was a little girl,
Speaker 4: white dress, sitting in the window looking down at them.
Speaker 3: And my mom said it was very notable.
Speaker 4: Enough that she like stopped and looked and kind of
Speaker 4: put that in.
Speaker 3: For a moment.
Speaker 4: So then she just continued on and went home, and
Speaker 4: she was in her bedroom taking a nap, and she
Speaker 4: woke up from a voice that was, she said, not
Speaker 4: like literally audible, like from vocals, but something she could
Speaker 4: hear more like in her head or in like some
Speaker 4: other space. And she said, the little girl was sitting
Speaker 4: next to her and talking to her, and I don't
Speaker 4: know what was being said. I probably should have asked
Speaker 4: that detail, but it must not have been alarming, my
Speaker 4: mom said.
Speaker 3: She never felt.
Speaker 4: Scared in that moment when that happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's lived. She lived it and let it
Speaker 3: go and kept moving because my mom is very open
Speaker 3: to things.
Speaker 4: So she was like, okay, no, no, kept moving. So
Speaker 4: then her and my dad probably, like I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe ten years after that she had seen that little
Speaker 4: girl on and off in the window here and there
Speaker 4: in her apartment whatever. She builds a house with my dad.
Speaker 3: They're back up north again. She has first my.
Speaker 4: Older brother and then me and my older brother would
Speaker 4: be sitting in the basement, and the basement was obviously
Speaker 4: lower down, but there were.
Speaker 3: Still windows you could see outside that.
Speaker 4: Were higher up, like if somebody were to be walking by,
Speaker 4: would only exposed like your feet. And he would always
Speaker 4: go to my mom and be like, who's the little
Speaker 4: girl that's running around outside?
Speaker 3: I want to go play with her?
Speaker 4: And my mom didn't want to say that's maybe the
Speaker 4: little ghost girl that follows me around, but she just
Speaker 4: would say, oh, you know, nobody's here, it's all good,
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. But he was like really really
Speaker 4: insistent that he was seeing this girl.
Speaker 3: So then I had a friend over one night.
Speaker 4: I was in probably like third or fourth grade at
Speaker 4: this point, and we were up in my bedroom very high,
Speaker 4: second level, like absolutely not, you could not be standing
Speaker 4: and be seen, like it's very high up. And my
Speaker 4: friend wakes me up in the middle of the night
Speaker 4: and I'm clueless to this whole situation at this point
Speaker 4: because my mom did not tell me any of this
Speaker 4: at the time. But this girl wakes me up and
Speaker 4: she goes, who is that little girl sitting on the
Speaker 4: side of your roof and she's laughing at me. She
Speaker 4: woke me up from knocking on the window and laughing
Speaker 4: at me.
Speaker 1: She's outside on the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we were so high up on that second level,
Speaker 4: there was like a little bit of.
Speaker 3: Roof coming off, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Okay, underneath the window, like a overhang maybe.
Speaker 3: Is the word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: So she's standing on that knocking on the window and
Speaker 4: laughing at my friend, and my friend woke up from it.
Speaker 4: She describes her to my mom the next morning, because
Speaker 4: I was like, Mom, there's a little girl on the roof,
Speaker 4: and my Mom's like, oh, what are the details. She
Speaker 4: describes her perfectly to my mother. So my mom was
Speaker 4: just pocketing this information for ever basically just witnessing something
Speaker 4: or hearing something, and then continuing at the school she
Speaker 4: was teaching at at the time, there were janitors that
Speaker 4: were there after hours and they would say to her, yeah,
Speaker 4: so weird just sing there's a little girl that rome's
Speaker 4: a hallway sometimes at night, and we don't know who
Speaker 4: she is or who she could be, and they describe
Speaker 4: her perfectly to my mom, and my mom is still
Speaker 4: just pocketing this information and not telling anybody.
Speaker 3: And so my mom finally told me about all of this.
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe like ten years ago, five years ago.
Speaker 4: So she said she never felt scared, like it never
Speaker 4: felt bad to her.
Speaker 3: She didn't know who it could have been.
Speaker 4: But then fast forward to I bought a home with
Speaker 4: my husband and it's a very very very old home,
Speaker 4: like we don't know for sure, but it was for
Speaker 4: sure standing in eighteen eighty and in our guest bedroom
Speaker 4: there's a direct door that goes into the attic, which
Speaker 4: is admittedly very spooky for me.
Speaker 3: I don't love that attic.
Speaker 4: We had a friend over who's kind of like I
Speaker 4: would say, she's like kind of like a loof, but
Speaker 4: not in a bad way, like she's just very like flowy,
Speaker 4: very like maybe. And I had not told her any
Speaker 4: of this because it's not something that comes up, you know,
Speaker 4: very to random people very often. And I don't know
Speaker 4: her that well.
Speaker 3: She was at her house and she stayed the night.
Speaker 4: In the morning, she said there was a little girl
Speaker 4: that walked into her room from the attic. She was
Speaker 4: wearing a white dress and she was laughing at her.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, let tell you about this.
Speaker 3: And I have to this day.
Speaker 4: I have never seen her, but my older brother has,
Speaker 4: my mom has, a couple of her friends have, and
Speaker 4: I think my younger brother has as well, but I'm
Speaker 4: not positive.
Speaker 3: So I think that.
Speaker 4: Potentially she may be in my space now I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: That or there's another little girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there could be. Because I don't know the history
Speaker 4: of my house. I can't find anything.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want a little girl coming out of my
Speaker 1: attic and laughing at me.
Speaker 3: No, and especially not that attic. That's that's no good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god. So when's the last time your
Speaker 1: mother saw her?
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 4: That's a good question, because I don't know if she
Speaker 4: actually ever ended up seeing her at school, or for
Speaker 4: she just heard other people talking about her at school.
Speaker 4: So maybe the last time my mom saw her was
Speaker 4: in that house that they had built when we were
Speaker 4: children out in the country, and they got divorced shortly
Speaker 4: after that and sold it off, so that's not around anymore.
Speaker 1: She doesn't like encounter her at all or half people
Speaker 1: say like, who's that little girl anymore?
Speaker 4: Not probably since this most recent situation with the lady
Speaker 4: that was at my house, and that was like two
Speaker 4: months ago, so that's the last time we've heard about her.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if she's now, if she's now joining
Speaker 1: your family, like I know, yeah, did mom?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but she's been described by a lot
Speaker 4: of people that are spending time around us, so I
Speaker 4: think it's definitely notable in some capacity.
Speaker 1: We at least she sounds nice.
Speaker 4: That's what it sounds like. It sounds like she's a
Speaker 4: nice lady.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: But like just because your mom saw her one day
Speaker 1: in a window, that doesn't mean come join me for
Speaker 1: the next thirty years.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom.
Speaker 4: Has you know, speculated like she was a twin in
Speaker 4: the womb, you know that thing where you kind of
Speaker 4: absorb your twin or something like maybe they can't form.
Speaker 2: All the way.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: That happened to her when she was in the womb.
Speaker 4: So she likes to make speculation of course, like oh
Speaker 4: my god, maybe it's like my twin, or but it's like,
Speaker 4: why would your twin be like an eight year old girl?
Speaker 4: She was never born, right, So she likes to make
Speaker 4: speculations for fun. But I have no idea who or
Speaker 4: why that would attach to her. Of maybe the fact
Speaker 4: that she is a very open to things. I have
Speaker 4: no idea.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting theory. I could I could get into that, yes,
Speaker 1: because you could go along with like when a ghost
Speaker 1: becomes a ghost or whatever, they can choose their age
Speaker 1: or I don't know.
Speaker 3: Some people I think.
Speaker 1: That kind of a thing, or they end up being
Speaker 1: whatever version of them they want to be. So yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe your mom's absorbed twin is living in your attic.
Speaker 1: Who knows.
Speaker 3: Maybe that would be a treat. I'm down for that.
Speaker 1: So you also you have seen a ghost? Right?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's this story?
Speaker 3: So my husband's dad died. He was twenty two.
Speaker 4: He was a really young father to begin with, and
Speaker 4: he passed away when my husband was very young, like
Speaker 4: two years old or something, and so I, of course
Speaker 4: never met him. I've seen very few pictures of him,
Speaker 4: like maybe a small handful. He was from Mexico and
Speaker 4: had only been in the US for a couple of
Speaker 4: years before he passed away, so I've seen only a
Speaker 4: couple of pictures, none in specific that relate to what
Speaker 4: I saw. But my husband's mom said she has a
Speaker 4: picture that perfectly aligns with what I described. So I
Speaker 4: would wake up in my bedroom maybe a couple times
Speaker 4: a week, and I have like closets that are built
Speaker 4: into like the slant of the roof, so they face
Speaker 4: each other and then there's like a little archway between them,
Speaker 4: and it's dark and offset from the rest of the room.
Speaker 3: And I'd wake up and i'd see.
Speaker 4: The outline of a man wearing like a cowboy hat.
Speaker 4: But I never saw faith. I never saw anything. I
Speaker 4: just saw a silhouette. But it was enough that it
Speaker 4: would like make my heart race a little bit, but
Speaker 4: I wasn't like petrified, so I would see that, I'd
Speaker 4: just go back to bed because I didn't feel necessarily threatened.
Speaker 3: I'd see it again, go back to bed. Whatever.
Speaker 4: This happened a good handful of times before I finally
Speaker 4: fully saw him. There was a weekend that I had
Speaker 4: gone away and I was staying at this cabin, really rustic,
Speaker 4: small little cabin. I was sleeping on the top bunk
Speaker 4: of a bunk bed, and I woke up in the
Speaker 4: middle of the night to the feeling of somebody holding
Speaker 4: my hand, you know, like kind of how an older
Speaker 4: person would like grab both of.
Speaker 3: Your hands in their hands.
Speaker 4: And then hold it from the top in the bottom
Speaker 4: and like shake your hand if they're like saying they
Speaker 4: love you or something. I woke up feeling that feeling,
Speaker 4: like somebody's holding my hands top and bottom together but
Speaker 4: to my chest. And I opened my eyes and I
Speaker 4: look and.
Speaker 3: My husband's dad was standing right above me, holding my hands.
Speaker 4: He was looking at me. He was aged to where
Speaker 4: he would be right now. It was very clearly him
Speaker 4: because they have a very similar face. And he was
Speaker 4: looking at me, and he had tears in his eyes,
Speaker 4: and he was holding my hand and he didn't take anything,
Speaker 4: but you could see in his eyes he was like
Speaker 4: saying thank you to me, or like for taking care
Speaker 4: of him and like being with him.
Speaker 3: And you could see like.
Speaker 4: Sorrow in his face because he never got to see
Speaker 4: Eddie grow up, my husband and meet me and all
Speaker 4: of this.
Speaker 3: And it's a lot of.
Speaker 4: Assuming that I got in his face, but it felt
Speaker 4: very clear. And then he poofed away and it was
Speaker 4: like maybe a minute, maybe a little bit longer, but
Speaker 4: I was one hundred percent awake, and it was very,
Speaker 4: very real. I've never seen thetline in my room again.
Speaker 3: It kind of felt like he was trying to show
Speaker 3: himself but couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just wanted to give you that message of
Speaker 1: thank you, and then he finally was able to get
Speaker 1: it across.
Speaker 3: That's what it felt like.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it's like maybe he couldn't
Speaker 4: do it because I was at home with Eddie, you know,
Speaker 4: when when he's trying and made because that he's maybe
Speaker 4: a little more close off to this idea, and I
Speaker 4: was by myself at that cabin.
Speaker 3: I wasn't with Eddie. When he finally came through, Wow,
Speaker 3: it was very beautiful.
Speaker 4: It was I mean spooky in the sense of like
Speaker 4: you wake up and somebody's like looking at you that
Speaker 4: you can tell is not fully present here. But it
Speaker 4: was not scary in the way of like I did
Speaker 4: not feel fearful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was lovely. Yeah, I'm really glad it happened.
Speaker 1: That's like the most beautiful possible version of waking up
Speaker 1: with a ghost right next to your bad Yes, he's
Speaker 1: probably be like I've been trying for a while now
Speaker 1: to tell you thank you. But there's this little girl
Speaker 1: ghost I know. And then there's this other guy that
Speaker 1: came out of the closet and he's whispering and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people around here.
Speaker 3: I believe that completely one percent. My house feels alive.
Speaker 1: Well, this is it's right. You gave us some of
Speaker 1: the scary, you gave us some of the sweet perfect.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for oz. It was such a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jill. Now, this next caller, Ivy, is an archaeologist. Now,
Speaker 1: these stories aren't necessarily you know, ghosts and UFOs and
Speaker 1: goblins and whatever. It's not necessarily those kinds of stories.
Speaker 1: But these are definitely dark, twisted, spooky kinds of weird stories,
Speaker 1: which I love and I'm down for. I say we
Speaker 1: opened this podcast up a little bit more to even
Speaker 1: just weird stuff that's sort of adjacent to the paranormal.
Speaker 1: You'll see what I mean. Ivy. Let's deal with I'm
Speaker 1: talking to Ivy. M men. Hello, Ivy, Hello Rah. I
Speaker 1: am thrilled to be talking to you because you do
Speaker 1: some archaeological digs. You've dug around and found some fascinating things.
Speaker 1: This is definitely the first time I think I've ever
Speaker 1: talked to an archaeologist ever. So thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to be here.
Speaker 1: Some of these stories that you sent, you know, they
Speaker 1: walk that paranormal line. I can only imagine what you
Speaker 1: have found. So tell us give us some of your
Speaker 1: your greatest hits stories.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So one of the times that really stands out to
Speaker 5: me is I was part of what we call a
Speaker 5: rapid response burial recovery team.
Speaker 2: So basically what happens.
Speaker 5: Is like say they want to fix a road or
Speaker 5: a bridge or something, and they come across a bear.
Speaker 2: They call our.
Speaker 5: Team of archaeologists to come out and trying to recover
Speaker 5: all the human remains, all the burial items that might
Speaker 5: have been placed with that person as quickly as possible
Speaker 5: to get them to a safe spot away from the
Speaker 5: construction work. And in this case, we knew that there
Speaker 5: was a Native American burial mound right where they had
Speaker 5: built a bridge. Bridge was starting to fall apart. They
Speaker 5: had to fix it, had no choice. So we went
Speaker 5: out there to work with the tribal community to recover
Speaker 5: as many things as we could from this burial mound.
Speaker 2: And I was one of the.
Speaker 5: People on the team. I actually recovered some human teeth
Speaker 5: in my screen, which was pretty unusual.
Speaker 2: Everybody around me.
Speaker 5: Was kind of just going rock, rock, rock, nothing, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, this looks like a molar to me.
Speaker 2: And it was the first piece of human remains we'd
Speaker 2: gotten on the job.
Speaker 5: And that night, one of the tribal members who was
Speaker 5: working with us told me that he was visited in
Speaker 5: his dreams by an eight year old boy who told
Speaker 5: him that that.
Speaker 3: Was him that we had found and that.
Speaker 5: He wanted to be reburied and that he appreciated what
Speaker 5: we were doing. And when he came the next day
Speaker 5: to tell us about that, the supervisor on the recovery
Speaker 5: team told us that she had had the tooth analyzed
Speaker 5: and they had come back and said that it belonged
Speaker 5: to a younger person somewhere between like eight or ten
Speaker 5: years old. So we were all pretty convinced that maybe
Speaker 5: this was like a legit visit from whoever this person
Speaker 5: used to be, And it meant a lot to all
Speaker 5: of us on this that whoever this ancestral person was,
Speaker 5: they approved of what we were doing.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when you're smart as you are and all
Speaker 1: these you know, science minded people around you, do you
Speaker 1: have people that you work with in this industry that
Speaker 1: take this kind of thing seriously, you know, when it
Speaker 1: comes to the spiritual side of what you might be
Speaker 1: digging up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of a spectrum. There's definitely some people
Speaker 5: out there who are like capital s science and they
Speaker 5: don't want to hear anything about things that we can't
Speaker 5: take a picture of. But I think that more and more,
Speaker 5: a lot of mostly the younger people coming into archaeology,
Speaker 5: are starting to appreciate that there's things that we can
Speaker 5: explain and that there's particularly a lot of like tribal
Speaker 5: and indigenous knowledge that we are Particularly as myself, as
Speaker 5: like a white outsider, I'm not going to be able
Speaker 5: to bring that to the table.
Speaker 2: But what I can do is open my mind and.
Speaker 5: Listen when they tell us things and try to incorporate
Speaker 5: that even when we're doing a survey on tribal land
Speaker 5: and somebody comes and tells us like, oh, this particular
Speaker 5: like rock out cropping or this tree is really meaningful,
Speaker 5: even if I can't understand why from my perspective, if
Speaker 5: they tell me it is, then I know that it
Speaker 5: has to have some kind of cultural significance. And for
Speaker 5: that reason we try to make sure that that's accounted
Speaker 5: for whenever somebody wants to do any kind of developments
Speaker 5: in that area.
Speaker 1: That's so great that that has taken seriously. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think, particularly when it comes to like the paranormal
Speaker 1: side of things, there's such a long, long story of
Speaker 1: like ancient Native American burial ground and that's you know,
Speaker 1: this spooky thing that you know, it's like, okay, people
Speaker 1: are just like building houses on top of Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I would be pissed too. Don't make the uh indigenous
Speaker 1: people that lived there and made it a sacred place
Speaker 1: like they're not the ones that are being spooky.
Speaker 5: Well, I think too, Like when you have these areas
Speaker 5: where like people they want to live next to the lake
Speaker 5: because it's nice, I'm like, yeah, so do people a
Speaker 5: thousand years ago and so like that same.
Speaker 2: Sort of like desire and energy.
Speaker 5: I think can build up in that location, and so
Speaker 5: people keep coming back.
Speaker 2: To it for the same reason.
Speaker 5: Totally that might not be scientific, I think it still
Speaker 5: has an effect on like our lived experience.
Speaker 1: What's this Bulgaria story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, even though I work in Minnesota now, when
Speaker 5: I was in grad school doing my dissertation research, I
Speaker 5: wanted to be a European archaeologist. So I did some
Speaker 5: field work in Bulgaria and we were working in a
Speaker 5: very small town called Sosopol, near a medieval church, but
Speaker 5: we knew there used to be like an ancient Greek
Speaker 5: colony there, which is what I was kind of looking for.
Speaker 5: Towards the end of the season, we were digging in
Speaker 5: the churchyard and we started to come across some human
Speaker 5: leg bones, and the more and more of the skeleton
Speaker 5: got uncovered, the more we started to see that this
Speaker 5: was kind of unusual.
Speaker 2: And when they had the full thing exposed, they saw
Speaker 2: that the.
Speaker 5: Skeleton had an iron rod stuck through its chest, which
Speaker 5: in Bulgaria is pretty common for what they considered kind
Speaker 5: of like an anti vampire, like a vampire prevention method
Speaker 5: where you stick the skeleton into its grave so it
Speaker 5: can't come back.
Speaker 2: And get you later.
Speaker 5: And they were actually two skeletons in this churchyard that
Speaker 5: that had been done to them, and you can actually
Speaker 5: still see them if you go to Sozopol today.
Speaker 4: They have them preserve there.
Speaker 2: At the museum.
Speaker 5: And I guess this is one of over one hundred
Speaker 5: vampire burials that they have in Bulgaria, and this particular
Speaker 5: one is about seven hundred years old.
Speaker 2: So if they're trying to say, if you.
Speaker 5: Are a vampire tourist, you can skip Transylvania and come
Speaker 5: to Bulgaria instead and they will show you all of them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I'm sure, like with witches in the past,
Speaker 1: there's probably some other modern explanation for why people thought
Speaker 1: these people were vampires or whatever. But even still, were
Speaker 1: you a little bit scared when you found that?
Speaker 5: I mean, I figure, you know, if they had a
Speaker 5: reason to think there might be something going on with
Speaker 5: this person where they wanted to make sure they stayed
Speaker 5: in their graves, then why not like stick an iron
Speaker 5: rod through them. I mean, they're already dead. Better safe
Speaker 5: than sorry keep them in the ground.
Speaker 1: Do you think about like curses when you do that
Speaker 1: kind of work I.
Speaker 5: Do for me, it's mostly I don't want to leave
Speaker 5: a negative energy or a negative impact. I mean, I've
Speaker 5: had a colleague of mine who accidentally excavated what she
Speaker 5: called a witch's pit in England practicing witches, we're using
Speaker 5: the same area and they had buried some ritual items
Speaker 5: there and she was worried she had been cursed when
Speaker 5: she excavated that, and so she like went to some
Speaker 5: local groups to ask them like what do I do
Speaker 5: to like kind of say like, this was an accident,
Speaker 5: I didn't mean to disturb any rituals, and they kind
Speaker 5: of gave her some advice. But I think about that too,
Speaker 5: where I'm like, I just want to make my intentions clear.
Speaker 5: And I feel like in most cases, like if you
Speaker 5: come in with good intentions that you can kind of
Speaker 5: make up for the fact that it's your job to
Speaker 5: dig up things and to disturb the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like if the curse is just like comfortably
Speaker 1: sleeping underground and then it gets woken up, like hopefully
Speaker 1: they'll be like like you can be like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and then the curse will be like, oh okay, it's fine.
Speaker 1: But like if someone wakes me up in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night and I've been sleeping all hell will
Speaker 1: break loose. Isn't there famous story of forgetting the guy's name,
Speaker 1: but the guy that found King Todd's sarcophagus.
Speaker 5: The curse of the Mummy, I think, is the one
Speaker 5: that most people think of when they think about kind
Speaker 5: of curses in archaeology, And I think the popular knowledge
Speaker 5: of the story is that they open up this tomb
Speaker 5: that have been sealed for so long that some kind
Speaker 5: of bacteria or something got into the lungs of the
Speaker 5: people who were involved, and so a bunch of people
Speaker 5: who had been on the excavation died. And I don't
Speaker 5: know how much truth there is to that, but I
Speaker 5: do know that one of my jobs on my crew
Speaker 5: is that I'm responsible for cruse safety in the field,
Speaker 5: and so I read a lot about like what can
Speaker 5: get into like the dirt that can be contaminated that
Speaker 5: you can gets sticked from, and what kind of hazards are.
Speaker 2: There for archaeologists work in the.
Speaker 5: Field, and it seems like we have a lot more
Speaker 5: to fear from being bit by ticks while we're out
Speaker 5: there than we do from any curses or ancient bacteria.
Speaker 1: Well that reminds me of another story that use me.
Speaker 1: This is the bog story. I gotta hear this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I guess I'll give a trigger warning on
Speaker 5: this one that if people are squeamish that they may
Speaker 5: not want to listen to.
Speaker 2: The full story.
Speaker 5: A colleague of mine was working in Ireland, and Ireland
Speaker 5: has a lot of peak bogs which are really great
Speaker 5: for archaeology because they don't have oxygen underground, so like
Speaker 5: stuff like wood or fabric or organic materials that would
Speaker 5: normally dissolve over time don't decay, so you can get
Speaker 5: things that are preserved amazingly.
Speaker 2: For hundreds of years.
Speaker 5: Like your example of this is that sometimes they have
Speaker 5: found butter that people have stored in the bogs, almost
Speaker 5: like an ancient refrigerator, because it won't go bad when
Speaker 5: it's in the bog, and so they could keep butter
Speaker 5: there and people could find it hundreds of years later
Speaker 5: and it could still be edible. So this crew was
Speaker 5: working and they found a deposit of what they thought
Speaker 5: was this bog butter, and they were like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: like this is like a once in a lifetime opportunity
Speaker 5: to like try food from literally one hundred years.
Speaker 2: Ago, like, who wants to try this?
Speaker 5: So they took a break and the crew like decided
Speaker 5: to try some of this bog butter, And then they
Speaker 5: decided to go back to work a little bit later
Speaker 5: and continue their excavation. And as they continued accavating, they
Speaker 5: realized that what they had tried was not bog butter,
Speaker 5: but it was in fact fat that had leached out
Speaker 5: of a bog body. So they had accidentally eaten human
Speaker 5: fat while they were excavating. So I guess that makes
Speaker 5: them accidentally cannibal. But what I like to do is
Speaker 5: tell the story to my students to tell them that
Speaker 5: the one thing that you have to know about archaeology
Speaker 5: is just because you could put in your mouth doesn't
Speaker 5: mean that you should.
Speaker 1: Did they say what it tasted like?
Speaker 5: You know, nobody wanted to tell me that, And I
Speaker 5: have to imagine that at least one person was like,
Speaker 5: you know, this is pretty good.
Speaker 1: It's isn't bad now if there is a body in there,
Speaker 1: so we know that some of the fact can leak
Speaker 1: out and it looks like butter, but can like a
Speaker 1: body just stay preserved in one of those and look
Speaker 1: like it did the day it died.
Speaker 5: They get kind of leathery still, but they still have
Speaker 5: their skin and their organs and everything. They just kind
Speaker 5: of dry out a bit, so like if you were
Speaker 5: out in the sun with no lotion for like a year,
Speaker 5: you gets pretty tanned up, but they still look like
Speaker 5: a person. They have some on display. I've seen some
Speaker 5: in the British Museum. Every once in a while they'll
Speaker 5: do like a touring exhibit. But yeah, it's pretty amazing,
Speaker 5: like they still have their hair and like one of them,
Speaker 5: you can even still see like the braid that they
Speaker 5: had in their hair, so it's kind of amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, put me in one of those. I
Speaker 1: want that. Well, this has been wonderful. Are there any
Speaker 1: other stories before we wrap up that you would like
Speaker 1: to share?
Speaker 2: The only other.
Speaker 5: One I can think of is that fairly recently we
Speaker 5: were serving area that was on tribal land, and we've
Speaker 5: been told by the tribe that they had been contacted
Speaker 5: by a psychic who said that she had been out
Speaker 5: there and heard a little girl, and she said that
Speaker 5: the girl was laughing. But the tribe told us they
Speaker 5: had heard stories that some girl had been abandoned by
Speaker 5: her parents out there and it died, and so they
Speaker 5: told us when we served that they wanted us to
Speaker 5: not only record any archaeological finds that we had, but
Speaker 5: they wanted us to record any experiences or feelings or
Speaker 5: anything unusual that anybody had sensed while they were out there.
Speaker 5: And so we were all kind of like on the
Speaker 5: alert for like something spooky gonna happen. None of us
Speaker 5: really had any experiences, but the tribe still like kind
Speaker 5: of has an area out there that they think that
Speaker 5: this might be where this little girl maybe passed away.
Speaker 5: But I'm hoping that if the psychic said she was laughing,
Speaker 5: that she's not having a bad time out there, that
Speaker 5: she's having a good time.
Speaker 1: So hopefully I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, wow, I love all
Speaker 1: of this. Thank you so much for sharing all of
Speaker 1: this and for all the work that you do. And
Speaker 1: now I know to be careful with what kind of
Speaker 1: butter I put on my toast.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: So cool, I know, in archaeologist. Now, thank you, Ivy.
Speaker 1: And here's one more for yeah. Now this one little
Speaker 1: trigger warning there is a mention of suicide. Here's our
Speaker 1: final caller, Randy, who's got stories four days give it
Speaker 1: to us. Randy, Oh my god. I am joined by
Speaker 1: Randy in Illinois. Hello Randy hypoo. You are neighbors with
Speaker 1: Resurrection Mary, who we recently talked about with Mo Welch.
Speaker 1: Have you encountered Resurrection Mary.
Speaker 3: I have not, but my friend and I used to
Speaker 3: always drive along the road that you're supposed to be
Speaker 3: able to find her on and we would kind of
Speaker 3: dare to look for her, but we always chickened out.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank you off the top of
Speaker 1: this little conversation because you're one of the people that
Speaker 1: was campaigning to get me on exactly right when I
Speaker 1: had a little hiatus with the show and I was
Speaker 1: looking for a new home. You contacted exactly right, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate that it worked out.
Speaker 3: Yes, the minute I heard well before that, just listening
Speaker 3: to you, I was like, how is this not unexactly right?
Speaker 3: This is perfect for them. And then as soon as
Speaker 3: I heard that, like the minute I was on Gmail writing.
Speaker 1: That is so sweet, thank you we manifested it, I.
Speaker 3: Was like, I can't live without rass, I can't live.
Speaker 1: With thank you. Well, let's hear sab your stories. So
Speaker 1: you have some college stories, and I love a haunted
Speaker 1: college because all these people are out on their own
Speaker 1: for the first time, and then they're stuck living at
Speaker 1: a place where there's ghosts everywhere. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: haunted colleges, especially these old ass colleges that have been
Speaker 1: here for years. There's always some lady walking around in
Speaker 1: a blue dress or something. And you have encountered some
Speaker 1: college ghosts, so tell us about it.
Speaker 3: So I went to two schools, both haunted.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The first one was in Lake Forest, Illinois, close to
Speaker 3: the beach where they shot Cameron's car coming out of
Speaker 3: the glass window and Faris dealers. They are, Oh, that
Speaker 3: place is called Barrah College. It's no longer there. They've
Speaker 3: torn the building down and everything. I actually have one
Speaker 3: of the bricks from the building still. But my experience
Speaker 3: I was with that same friend that we used to
Speaker 3: dare each other about resurrection Mary and full disclosure. We
Speaker 3: ate some mushrooms, but not a ton, not a ton.
Speaker 3: We were just you know, tripping, having a good old time.
Speaker 3: And it was really really negative temperatures against Illinois dead
Speaker 3: of winter. I mean, it's just horrible out and nobody's
Speaker 3: going outside. It's really really late, like you know, probably
Speaker 3: two three in the morning would be my guest. And
Speaker 3: there was a roof connecting my dorm to the main building,
Speaker 3: and that was all ice over and my friend and
Speaker 3: I saw and it was also a very very small college.
Speaker 3: You knew everybody's face, it was so tiny. My friend
Speaker 3: and I saw what we believe must have been a
Speaker 3: ghost because I've never seen this person before, and they
Speaker 3: were walking on the ice, in that cold, on the
Speaker 3: roof and without a ladder, which there was no ladder.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you would have gotten on that roof.
Speaker 3: My friends and I were really we loved getting on roofs.
Speaker 3: It was just like our thing back and then so
Speaker 3: I know, there was no way on that roof, and
Speaker 3: we were pretty freaked out by it. You know, should
Speaker 3: we knock? Should we we try to get its attention?
Speaker 3: And then I was you know, we were too scared,
Speaker 3: like what happens if it gets angry? Can it just
Speaker 3: come in here? Like what happened? So we just kind
Speaker 3: of let it go. But the spirit, whatever it was,
Speaker 3: just kept walking back and forth. You know, you always hear, oh,
Speaker 3: there's a transparency to it. It looked just like a person,
Speaker 3: but again, it just wouldn't make sense for a person
Speaker 3: to be out there. There was also a cemetery on
Speaker 3: the property where some of the nuns that had worked
Speaker 3: in the school in the past were buried. So basically
Speaker 3: everybody that was there had their own haunted story. My
Speaker 3: partner Greg, who he was just my friend at the time,
Speaker 3: he was in the chapel where there was famously a
Speaker 3: little ghost girl that people would see. And he was
Speaker 3: sitting in the pews with his girlfriend at the time,
Speaker 3: and he looked up in the area where they have
Speaker 3: the organ and he saw like around the bars of
Speaker 3: that staircase, little hands and then a little face peering
Speaker 3: out at him. They met eyes and when he turned to,
Speaker 3: you know, tell his girlfriend, hey, look at the a
Speaker 3: little bit of what I'm looking at, it was gone.
Speaker 3: So that was his experience.
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about the guy walking on the icy roof,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I think that that was a
Speaker 1: guy that was hooking up with a nun back in
Speaker 1: the day. This is what my psychic reading is. This
Speaker 1: is a guy he was hooking up with a nun
Speaker 1: and then he was trying to sneak out and then
Speaker 1: he slipped and fell. But even if that wasn't a ghost,
Speaker 1: not to be morbid. But if you're walking on an
Speaker 1: icy roof, you're about to be a ghost if you
Speaker 1: know me.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: So this place people talked about it was on Unsolved Mysteries, right.
Speaker 4: Well that's the rumor.
Speaker 3: But I've had the hardest time trying to find it,
Speaker 3: so I'm not sure. But I have heard that from many, many,
Speaker 3: many people. I just have not found it myself.
Speaker 1: So you also encountered like a demony kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that night I was by myself. I want
Speaker 3: to say, oh gosh, you know, that was like twenty
Speaker 3: years ago now, since I've been in school, So I
Speaker 3: think I was probably in the dark room more than likely, which,
Speaker 3: oddly enough, never felt haunted. It was like the one
Speaker 3: place that didn't feel creepy, even though it should have.
Speaker 3: It was underground, so I had gone into the main
Speaker 3: building and was trying to get back to my dorms
Speaker 3: late at night. Nobody around, and I just felt like
Speaker 3: I was being followed. It was just really creepy, and
Speaker 3: I started I just started getting so creeped out that
Speaker 3: I ran into the room where my roommate at the
Speaker 3: time was sleeping, and I looked at the window and
Speaker 3: the window was fogged up in the shape of a
Speaker 3: like a head with horns. And when I looked out
Speaker 3: at other windows, you know, nearby, nobody else had fog
Speaker 3: like that on their windows, So I don't know what
Speaker 3: that was about, but it was very creepy and I
Speaker 3: had a hard time sleeping.
Speaker 1: That is terrifying.
Speaker 3: I'm glad I didn't have this experience. But a friend
Speaker 3: of mine there woke up to, you know, it might
Speaker 3: have been a sleep paralysis type of thing, but she
Speaker 3: woke up to what looked like a dark human figure
Speaker 3: made of dark leaves, and it just dissipated in front
Speaker 3: of her.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's normal. Yeah, that happens to me all
Speaker 1: the time. Oh my gosh. But now the whole place
Speaker 1: is gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they kept I want to say they
Speaker 3: might have kept like pieces of the building, but I
Speaker 3: don't know. I haven't been over there to see what
Speaker 3: still remains since moving back, because I was in Portland
Speaker 3: for almost fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy, this is your next American horror story. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of perfect. There's anytime a haunted place like
Speaker 1: this has like a full cast where there's like a
Speaker 1: little ghost girl. There's some weird demon thing. We can
Speaker 1: have somebody playing the leaf Man in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, like I love this. I'm picturing the IMDb already. Okay,
Speaker 1: tell me about the next college you went to.
Speaker 3: That was the College of Santa Fe, which also no
Speaker 3: longer exists, but the building is still there. I have
Speaker 3: visited the building since then and it's very creepy. It
Speaker 3: feels ghostly on campus. But that school is an old
Speaker 3: military base and the lunchroom. To get down to the
Speaker 3: lunch room, you went down a really long haul and
Speaker 3: that hallway is where they used to push soldiers like
Speaker 3: on a stretcher like down to you know what was
Speaker 3: then the lunch room, you know, way back in the day,
Speaker 3: was where they were treating injuries, like a little hospital area.
Speaker 3: And then the fridge where they kept all the food
Speaker 3: was once the morgue.
Speaker 2: Perfect.
Speaker 3: Actually, it didn't feel quite as haunted there to me
Speaker 3: as the other school personally, but I know a lot
Speaker 3: of people had all kinds of different experiences there. My
Speaker 3: own experience there was the first room that I was in.
Speaker 3: It was a dorm room that was by myself, and
Speaker 3: you know, it was my first time, you know that
Speaker 3: far away from all my family and everything, and I
Speaker 3: would be going to sleep at night and I would
Speaker 3: hear like as if a guy was like whispering in
Speaker 3: my ear.
Speaker 2: I'd jump up.
Speaker 3: They'd be there, it's say to go away. Nothing would happen,
Speaker 3: and as I would be, you know, getting to my
Speaker 3: fullest sleep, I would hear something really loud in my ear,
Speaker 3: like loud whispers. I can't remember anything that was said anymore,
Speaker 3: it was so long ago, but I did end up
Speaker 3: sleeping on my friends floor, and so I could figure
Speaker 3: out a way out of there because the ghost wouldn't
Speaker 3: go away. There was no way I could tell the school, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm hearing whispers. Thankfully, there was a street light outside
Speaker 3: the window, so I ended up saying that it was
Speaker 3: the light that was keeping me up. And I was
Speaker 3: able to transfer to a different room because of that.
Speaker 3: And then the person that was there after me, they
Speaker 3: didn't experience anything like that. So I was thinking, well,
Speaker 3: maybe it's just me. But then one day on my
Speaker 3: way out, I heard a group of people talking in
Speaker 3: front of that door of that room, and they said
Speaker 3: they were talking about how it's the haunted room and
Speaker 3: talking about these different experiences that they've heard about so
Speaker 3: it wasn't just me, and that made me feel less crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I wonder if you would have said
Speaker 1: it's the haunted room, like can you move me out
Speaker 1: of here? It's haunted, and like what the people have
Speaker 1: been like, yeah, we know. I don't know year was this?
Speaker 3: This was well, it was actually during nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: During that time, because I remember when I found out
Speaker 3: about it. My friend was waking me up on the
Speaker 3: floor and she said, Randy, Randy, the Pentagon was just
Speaker 3: attacked And I said, what's the Pentagon?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was too young. I didn't know. But anyway, so
Speaker 3: that's that's how I remember what you're It.
Speaker 1: Was two thousand and one, so he is probably like
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey's Glitter is about to be in theaters. No
Speaker 1: see it for me, I'm a ghost.
Speaker 5: I can't go.
Speaker 1: I really want to see it. Okay, So where else
Speaker 1: have you been? Haunted? And lived in?
Speaker 3: The last house in Portland that I lived in, it
Speaker 3: was kind of a quirky house. We heard from these
Speaker 3: two neighbors across the street that we called the Golden Boys,
Speaker 3: that the roof was blown off back in the day
Speaker 3: from mess Lab experiment gone wrong. Okay, and then they
Speaker 3: also used to shoot pornos in the basement amazing well,
Speaker 3: and when when I heard about it, I was like saying, oh,
Speaker 3: what do you think porno ghosts? Fundly, my partner ended
Speaker 3: up finding a secret trap door that looked down into
Speaker 3: the basement from the bathroom, and so I kind of
Speaker 3: can't help but wonder if maybe that we had something
Speaker 3: to do with like getting some interesting camera angles and
Speaker 3: thinking maybe, so.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is actually a TikTok trend that my algorithm
Speaker 1: shows me NonStop, which is people finding trap doors in
Speaker 1: like Victorian houses and digging them up and going into it.
Speaker 1: There's a whole world of this of people doing this,
Speaker 1: and I just can't help but to think, don't go
Speaker 1: in there. That's when they used to keep the bodies
Speaker 1: that you guys did go in there. And then what
Speaker 1: did you.
Speaker 3: Lea Well, we could just say down to the washers.
Speaker 3: It was just literally just a space to get where
Speaker 3: you could throw something down from the bathroom to the
Speaker 3: laundry what was now the laundry room. But I'm thinking
Speaker 3: that they must have created it to get a good
Speaker 3: camera angle. I don't know why else it would have
Speaker 3: been there. Or just you know, throw your laundry right
Speaker 3: in the wash, right from your bathroom.
Speaker 1: I like the first theory, and I appreciate anyone that's
Speaker 1: artistic in that world and you know, trying to do
Speaker 1: inventive things and not just filming. People do win it
Speaker 1: like they're like, Okay, this one's going to be different.
Speaker 1: We're going to get the we're going to get the
Speaker 1: angle through the wall. So it seems like you're a
Speaker 1: fly on the wall, Like I think that's beautiful exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the kitchen of that house before we even
Speaker 3: moved in there, our friends went there before us, and
Speaker 3: I always felt like there'd be nobody in there, but
Speaker 3: always felt like, oh, there's like a presence in here,
Speaker 3: like here and there. It never felt exactly like the
Speaker 3: same person. So after living there for a while, I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's because I was listening to so
Speaker 3: much ghosted that it was.
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, it's fine, it's fine, I love it.
Speaker 3: But I just would always have these feelings it there
Speaker 3: was like different people that would come through, Like I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's like an inter dimensional thing, a
Speaker 3: ghost thing, I'm not sure, but it would just feel
Speaker 3: like these different entities would come through the kitchen, they
Speaker 3: wouldn't really interact with me. There was one time where
Speaker 3: one did, and I do feel like it was my grandfather.
Speaker 3: I felt like I was being hugged and lifted so
Speaker 3: my feet never like came off of the ground, and
Speaker 3: it really felt like him. So I think that it
Speaker 3: may have been during that time a cousin of mine
Speaker 3: had killed himself and my sister when she found out,
Speaker 3: she was on vacation at the time, and these pictures
Speaker 3: and this is like, you know, digital pictures modern day.
Speaker 3: This isn't like back in the day with film where
Speaker 3: you would get like shining orbs and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: This is digital. So in those pictures, every picture that
Speaker 3: she's in, she saw this blue orb during that time.
Speaker 3: Within a couple days of that, I started seeing and
Speaker 3: it happened a couple of times where I saw it
Speaker 3: on the outside of where that kitchen is, a blue,
Speaker 3: very bright flash of light. So I do feel like
Speaker 3: that probably was my cousin. I just because of the
Speaker 3: coincidence alone. She was in Illinois, he was an Illinois
Speaker 3: I was still in Portland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sold. I think it could be
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, but you also saw in that house
Speaker 1: like a creature.
Speaker 3: So I was in the backyard and it was nighttime.
Speaker 3: I had actually never heard of the mos man before
Speaker 3: listening to Ghosted, and then I have heard so much since.
Speaker 3: But I was just sitting out there, wasn't looking for anything.
Speaker 3: I wasn't feeling extra spooky or nothing like that. All
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I'm looking up in the silhouettes of
Speaker 3: the pine trees again. It's nighttime. All I know is
Speaker 3: I saw and heard very loudly a huge figure like
Speaker 3: the size of a tall man that looked like it
Speaker 3: was covered in wax feathers, jumped from one tree to
Speaker 3: the next tree, and it was so spooky, and I
Speaker 3: can't I have no idea what the hell that was.
Speaker 3: My partner was right there. I said, did you see that?
Speaker 3: How did you not hear that? He said he saw
Speaker 3: or heard nothing.
Speaker 1: What if it was the leaf man that your friend saw?
Speaker 1: Maybe it could be.
Speaker 2: Maybe I like.
Speaker 1: The thought of the moth and being like someone talking
Speaker 1: about me in a podcast like that's me just like
Speaker 1: popping by to say hi. One time I was in
Speaker 1: an airport and somebody sitting next to me was I'm
Speaker 1: not nosy, but I saw on their phone that they
Speaker 1: were listening to a podcast that I was on that
Speaker 1: had just dropped that day, and I wanted to be like,
Speaker 1: that's me, but I didn't say anything. But maybe that's
Speaker 1: what the moth Man was doing. Well, Randy, you gave
Speaker 1: us all kinds of stories and I appreciate it. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for doing this.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me. It's been so amazing
Speaker 3: talking to you.
Speaker 1: Oooh, I'm exactly right, thanks to you, Randy. And there
Speaker 1: we go another listener phone call extravaganza. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much to Jill, Ivy and Randy. I love you all,
Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you
Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt me, kay By. This has
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Speaker 1: is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming
Speaker 1: Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed by
Speaker 1: the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying
Speaker 1: Patrick Kuttner. Additional aduction support from the hair raising Hannah
Speaker 1: Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine chilling
Speaker 1: Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography
Speaker 1: by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the chilling
Speaker 1: Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia hard Start, and the frightening
Speaker 1: Danielle Kramer.