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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky. Hey, juky, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I'm you, said.

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Speaker 2: Ias Nandez.

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Speaker 1: Me please, hey boo, it's me Raz and welcome to

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Speaker 1: Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to

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Speaker 1: people that I like about the paranormal. I always love

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Speaker 1: when we do these listener phone calls extravaganzas. What you

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Speaker 1: are about to hear are real listeners just like you

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Speaker 1: of this podcast. And hey, you could be one of

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Speaker 1: these people too. You know what to do? You email

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Speaker 1: Ghosted by Raz at gmail dot com, subject line listener

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Speaker 1: episode with one to two sentence bullet points of your stories.

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Speaker 1: You know, leave us wanting more. Don't give it all

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Speaker 1: away in the email. This episode is jam packed with stories,

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Speaker 1: so I say we just get right into it. Let's

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Speaker 1: start off with Jill on with the show. I am

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Speaker 1: joined by Jill in Wisconsin. Hello, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm so good I'm psited to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, you have a shared sleep paralysis story, which

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Speaker 1: you know, I've talked a lot about sleep paralysis over

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Speaker 1: the years, and you know, is it science mixed with

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Speaker 1: a little bit of spooky, spooky, I don't know, But

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Speaker 1: when it becomes something that more than one person is experiencing,

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Speaker 1: that is where I'm like, tell me that story. And

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Speaker 1: now I've got Jill here to tell us one had it.

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Speaker 4: So I have definitely experienced some sleep prolysis like here

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Speaker 4: But we're sleeping. I woke up because I saw the

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Speaker 1: What do you mean? This isn't real. Also, I bet

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Speaker 3: Maybe it totally could have been.

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Speaker 1: Yes, who is this man in the closet coming out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so bizarre. And I could not believe

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Speaker 1: I just wonder, like, why that would happen on that night, Like, yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: So my mom started her teaching career in like the

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Speaker 4: We had a friend over who's kind of like I

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Speaker 3: She was at her house and she stayed the night.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, well, let tell you about this.

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Speaker 3: And I have to this day.

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Speaker 4: I have never seen her, but my older brother has,

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Speaker 4: I think my younger brother has as well, but I'm

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Speaker 3: So I think that.

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Speaker 4: Potentially she may be in my space now I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: That or there's another little girl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there could be. Because I don't know the history

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't want a little girl coming out of my

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Speaker 3: No, and especially not that attic. That's that's no good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god. So when's the last time your

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Speaker 1: But like just because your mom saw her one day

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Speaker 4: So she likes to make speculation of course, like oh

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's this story?

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Speaker 3: So my husband's dad died. He was twenty two.

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Speaker 3: And I'd wake up and i'd see.

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Speaker 4: But I never saw faith. I never saw anything. I

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Speaker 3: I'd see it again, go back to bed. Whatever.

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Speaker 4: This happened a good handful of times before I finally

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Speaker 4: And then hold it from the top in the bottom

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Speaker 3: My husband's dad was standing right above me, holding my hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he just wanted to give you that message of

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Speaker 3: That's what it felt like.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if it's like maybe he couldn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was lovely. Yeah, I'm really glad it happened.

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Speaker 1: That's like the most beautiful possible version of waking up

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Speaker 1: probably be like I've been trying for a while now

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Speaker 1: to tell you thank you. But there's this little girl

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people around here.

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Speaker 3: I believe that completely one percent. My house feels alive.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is it's right. You gave us some of

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for oz. It was such a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jill. Now, this next caller, Ivy, is an archaeologist. Now,

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Speaker 1: these stories aren't necessarily you know, ghosts and UFOs and

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Speaker 1: You'll see what I mean. Ivy. Let's deal with I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to Ivy. M men. Hello, Ivy, Hello Rah. I

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Speaker 1: This is definitely the first time I think I've ever

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 1: Some of these stories that you sent, you know, they

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Speaker 1: So yeah, when you're smart as you are and all

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Speaker 5: has to have some kind of cultural significance. And for

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00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 5: that reason we try to make sure that that's accounted

448
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 5: for whenever somebody wants to do any kind of developments

449
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 5: in that area.

450
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: That's so great that that has taken seriously. And you know,

451
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: I think, particularly when it comes to like the paranormal

452
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: side of things, there's such a long, long story of

453
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: like ancient Native American burial ground and that's you know,

454
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: this spooky thing that you know, it's like, okay, people

455
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: are just like building houses on top of Like yeah,

456
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: I would be pissed too. Don't make the uh indigenous

457
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: people that lived there and made it a sacred place

458
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: like they're not the ones that are being spooky.

459
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 5: Well, I think too, Like when you have these areas

460
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 5: where like people they want to live next to the lake

461
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 5: because it's nice, I'm like, yeah, so do people a

462
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 5: thousand years ago and so like that same.

463
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: Sort of like desire and energy.

464
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 5: I think can build up in that location, and so

465
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 5: people keep coming back.

466
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: To it for the same reason.

467
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 5: Totally that might not be scientific, I think it still

468
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 5: has an effect on like our lived experience.

469
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Speaker 1: What's this Bulgaria story.

470
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, even though I work in Minnesota now, when

471
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 5: I was in grad school doing my dissertation research, I

472
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 5: wanted to be a European archaeologist. So I did some

473
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 5: field work in Bulgaria and we were working in a

474
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 5: very small town called Sosopol, near a medieval church, but

475
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 5: we knew there used to be like an ancient Greek

476
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 5: colony there, which is what I was kind of looking for.

477
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 5: Towards the end of the season, we were digging in

478
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 5: the churchyard and we started to come across some human

479
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 5: leg bones, and the more and more of the skeleton

480
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 5: got uncovered, the more we started to see that this

481
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 5: was kind of unusual.

482
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 2: And when they had the full thing exposed, they saw

483
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 2: that the.

484
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 5: Skeleton had an iron rod stuck through its chest, which

485
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 5: in Bulgaria is pretty common for what they considered kind

486
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 5: of like an anti vampire, like a vampire prevention method

487
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 5: where you stick the skeleton into its grave so it

488
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 5: can't come back.

489
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: And get you later.

490
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 5: And they were actually two skeletons in this churchyard that

491
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 5: that had been done to them, and you can actually

492
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 5: still see them if you go to Sozopol today.

493
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 4: They have them preserve there.

494
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: At the museum.

495
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 5: And I guess this is one of over one hundred

496
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 5: vampire burials that they have in Bulgaria, and this particular

497
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 5: one is about seven hundred years old.

498
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: So if they're trying to say, if you.

499
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 5: Are a vampire tourist, you can skip Transylvania and come

500
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 5: to Bulgaria instead and they will show you all of them.

501
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I'm sure, like with witches in the past,

502
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: there's probably some other modern explanation for why people thought

503
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: these people were vampires or whatever. But even still, were

504
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: you a little bit scared when you found that?

505
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 5: I mean, I figure, you know, if they had a

506
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 5: reason to think there might be something going on with

507
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 5: this person where they wanted to make sure they stayed

508
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 5: in their graves, then why not like stick an iron

509
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 5: rod through them. I mean, they're already dead. Better safe

510
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 5: than sorry keep them in the ground.

511
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: Do you think about like curses when you do that

512
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: kind of work I.

513
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 5: Do for me, it's mostly I don't want to leave

514
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 5: a negative energy or a negative impact. I mean, I've

515
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 5: had a colleague of mine who accidentally excavated what she

516
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 5: called a witch's pit in England practicing witches, we're using

517
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 5: the same area and they had buried some ritual items

518
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 5: there and she was worried she had been cursed when

519
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 5: she excavated that, and so she like went to some

520
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 5: local groups to ask them like what do I do

521
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 5: to like kind of say like, this was an accident,

522
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 5: I didn't mean to disturb any rituals, and they kind

523
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 5: of gave her some advice. But I think about that too,

524
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 5: where I'm like, I just want to make my intentions clear.

525
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 5: And I feel like in most cases, like if you

526
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 5: come in with good intentions that you can kind of

527
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 5: make up for the fact that it's your job to

528
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 5: dig up things and to disturb the past.

529
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like if the curse is just like comfortably

530
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: sleeping underground and then it gets woken up, like hopefully

531
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: they'll be like like you can be like I'm sorry,

532
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: and then the curse will be like, oh okay, it's fine.

533
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: But like if someone wakes me up in the middle

534
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: of the night and I've been sleeping all hell will

535
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: break loose. Isn't there famous story of forgetting the guy's name,

536
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: but the guy that found King Todd's sarcophagus.

537
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 5: The curse of the Mummy, I think, is the one

538
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 5: that most people think of when they think about kind

539
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 5: of curses in archaeology, And I think the popular knowledge

540
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 5: of the story is that they open up this tomb

541
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 5: that have been sealed for so long that some kind

542
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 5: of bacteria or something got into the lungs of the

543
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 5: people who were involved, and so a bunch of people

544
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 5: who had been on the excavation died. And I don't

545
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 5: know how much truth there is to that, but I

546
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 5: do know that one of my jobs on my crew

547
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 5: is that I'm responsible for cruse safety in the field,

548
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 5: and so I read a lot about like what can

549
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 5: get into like the dirt that can be contaminated that

550
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 5: you can gets sticked from, and what kind of hazards are.

551
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: There for archaeologists work in the.

552
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 5: Field, and it seems like we have a lot more

553
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 5: to fear from being bit by ticks while we're out

554
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 5: there than we do from any curses or ancient bacteria.

555
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: Well that reminds me of another story that use me.

556
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: This is the bog story. I gotta hear this one.

557
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I guess I'll give a trigger warning on

558
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 5: this one that if people are squeamish that they may

559
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 5: not want to listen to.

560
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: The full story.

561
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 5: A colleague of mine was working in Ireland, and Ireland

562
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 5: has a lot of peak bogs which are really great

563
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 5: for archaeology because they don't have oxygen underground, so like

564
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 5: stuff like wood or fabric or organic materials that would

565
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 5: normally dissolve over time don't decay, so you can get

566
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 5: things that are preserved amazingly.

567
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: For hundreds of years.

568
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 5: Like your example of this is that sometimes they have

569
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 5: found butter that people have stored in the bogs, almost

570
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 5: like an ancient refrigerator, because it won't go bad when

571
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 5: it's in the bog, and so they could keep butter

572
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 5: there and people could find it hundreds of years later

573
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 5: and it could still be edible. So this crew was

574
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 5: working and they found a deposit of what they thought

575
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 5: was this bog butter, and they were like, oh my god,

576
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 5: like this is like a once in a lifetime opportunity

577
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 5: to like try food from literally one hundred years.

578
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: Ago, like, who wants to try this?

579
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 5: So they took a break and the crew like decided

580
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 5: to try some of this bog butter, And then they

581
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 5: decided to go back to work a little bit later

582
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 5: and continue their excavation. And as they continued accavating, they

583
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 5: realized that what they had tried was not bog butter,

584
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 5: but it was in fact fat that had leached out

585
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 5: of a bog body. So they had accidentally eaten human

586
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 5: fat while they were excavating. So I guess that makes

587
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 5: them accidentally cannibal. But what I like to do is

588
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 5: tell the story to my students to tell them that

589
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: the one thing that you have to know about archaeology

590
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 5: is just because you could put in your mouth doesn't

591
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 5: mean that you should.

592
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: Did they say what it tasted like?

593
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 5: You know, nobody wanted to tell me that, And I

594
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 5: have to imagine that at least one person was like,

595
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 5: you know, this is pretty good.

596
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: It's isn't bad now if there is a body in there,

597
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: so we know that some of the fact can leak

598
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: out and it looks like butter, but can like a

599
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: body just stay preserved in one of those and look

600
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: like it did the day it died.

601
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 5: They get kind of leathery still, but they still have

602
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 5: their skin and their organs and everything. They just kind

603
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: of dry out a bit, so like if you were

604
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 5: out in the sun with no lotion for like a year,

605
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 5: you gets pretty tanned up, but they still look like

606
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 5: a person. They have some on display. I've seen some

607
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 5: in the British Museum. Every once in a while they'll

608
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 5: do like a touring exhibit. But yeah, it's pretty amazing,

609
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 5: like they still have their hair and like one of them,

610
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 5: you can even still see like the braid that they

611
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 5: had in their hair, so it's kind of amazing.

612
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, put me in one of those. I

613
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: want that. Well, this has been wonderful. Are there any

614
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: other stories before we wrap up that you would like

615
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: to share?

616
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: The only other.

617
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 5: One I can think of is that fairly recently we

618
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 5: were serving area that was on tribal land, and we've

619
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 5: been told by the tribe that they had been contacted

620
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 5: by a psychic who said that she had been out

621
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 5: there and heard a little girl, and she said that

622
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 5: the girl was laughing. But the tribe told us they

623
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: had heard stories that some girl had been abandoned by

624
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 5: her parents out there and it died, and so they

625
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 5: told us when we served that they wanted us to

626
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 5: not only record any archaeological finds that we had, but

627
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 5: they wanted us to record any experiences or feelings or

628
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 5: anything unusual that anybody had sensed while they were out there.

629
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: And so we were all kind of like on the

630
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 5: alert for like something spooky gonna happen. None of us

631
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 5: really had any experiences, but the tribe still like kind

632
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 5: of has an area out there that they think that

633
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: this might be where this little girl maybe passed away.

634
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 5: But I'm hoping that if the psychic said she was laughing,

635
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 5: that she's not having a bad time out there, that

636
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 5: she's having a good time.

637
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: So hopefully I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, wow, I love all

638
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: of this. Thank you so much for sharing all of

639
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 1: this and for all the work that you do. And

640
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: now I know to be careful with what kind of

641
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: butter I put on my toast.

642
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

643
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: So cool, I know, in archaeologist. Now, thank you, Ivy.

644
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: And here's one more for yeah. Now this one little

645
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: trigger warning there is a mention of suicide. Here's our

646
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: final caller, Randy, who's got stories four days give it

647
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: to us. Randy, Oh my god. I am joined by

648
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: Randy in Illinois. Hello Randy hypoo. You are neighbors with

649
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Resurrection Mary, who we recently talked about with Mo Welch.

650
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: Have you encountered Resurrection Mary.

651
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: I have not, but my friend and I used to

652
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: always drive along the road that you're supposed to be

653
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: able to find her on and we would kind of

654
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: dare to look for her, but we always chickened out.

655
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank you off the top of

656
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: this little conversation because you're one of the people that

657
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: was campaigning to get me on exactly right when I

658
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: had a little hiatus with the show and I was

659
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: looking for a new home. You contacted exactly right, and

660
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: I appreciate that it worked out.

661
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: Yes, the minute I heard well before that, just listening

662
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: to you, I was like, how is this not unexactly right?

663
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: This is perfect for them. And then as soon as

664
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: I heard that, like the minute I was on Gmail writing.

665
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: That is so sweet, thank you we manifested it, I.

666
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: Was like, I can't live without rass, I can't live.

667
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: With thank you. Well, let's hear sab your stories. So

668
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Speaker 1: you have some college stories, and I love a haunted

669
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Speaker 1: college because all these people are out on their own

670
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Speaker 1: for the first time, and then they're stuck living at

671
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: a place where there's ghosts everywhere. There's a lot of

672
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: haunted colleges, especially these old ass colleges that have been

673
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: here for years. There's always some lady walking around in

674
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Speaker 1: a blue dress or something. And you have encountered some

675
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Speaker 1: college ghosts, so tell us about it.

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Speaker 3: So I went to two schools, both haunted.

677
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

678
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: The first one was in Lake Forest, Illinois, close to

679
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: the beach where they shot Cameron's car coming out of

680
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: the glass window and Faris dealers. They are, Oh, that

681
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: place is called Barrah College. It's no longer there. They've

682
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: torn the building down and everything. I actually have one

683
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: of the bricks from the building still. But my experience

684
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 3: I was with that same friend that we used to

685
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: dare each other about resurrection Mary and full disclosure. We

686
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 3: ate some mushrooms, but not a ton, not a ton.

687
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: We were just you know, tripping, having a good old time.

688
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: And it was really really negative temperatures against Illinois dead

689
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: of winter. I mean, it's just horrible out and nobody's

690
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 3: going outside. It's really really late, like you know, probably

691
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: two three in the morning would be my guest. And

692
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: there was a roof connecting my dorm to the main building,

693
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: and that was all ice over and my friend and

694
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: I saw and it was also a very very small college.

695
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: You knew everybody's face, it was so tiny. My friend

696
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: and I saw what we believe must have been a

697
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: ghost because I've never seen this person before, and they

698
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: were walking on the ice, in that cold, on the

699
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 3: roof and without a ladder, which there was no ladder.

700
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: I don't know how you would have gotten on that roof.

701
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: My friends and I were really we loved getting on roofs.

702
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: It was just like our thing back and then so

703
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: I know, there was no way on that roof, and

704
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: we were pretty freaked out by it. You know, should

705
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: we knock? Should we we try to get its attention?

706
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: And then I was you know, we were too scared,

707
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: like what happens if it gets angry? Can it just

708
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: come in here? Like what happened? So we just kind

709
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: of let it go. But the spirit, whatever it was,

710
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 3: just kept walking back and forth. You know, you always hear, oh,

711
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: there's a transparency to it. It looked just like a person,

712
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: but again, it just wouldn't make sense for a person

713
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: to be out there. There was also a cemetery on

714
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: the property where some of the nuns that had worked

715
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: in the school in the past were buried. So basically

716
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: everybody that was there had their own haunted story. My

717
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: partner Greg, who he was just my friend at the time,

718
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: he was in the chapel where there was famously a

719
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: little ghost girl that people would see. And he was

720
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: sitting in the pews with his girlfriend at the time,

721
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: and he looked up in the area where they have

722
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: the organ and he saw like around the bars of

723
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: that staircase, little hands and then a little face peering

724
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: out at him. They met eyes and when he turned to,

725
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: you know, tell his girlfriend, hey, look at the a

726
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: little bit of what I'm looking at, it was gone.

727
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: So that was his experience.

728
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Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about the guy walking on the icy roof,

729
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I think that that was a

730
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: guy that was hooking up with a nun back in

731
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: the day. This is what my psychic reading is. This

732
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: is a guy he was hooking up with a nun

733
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: and then he was trying to sneak out and then

734
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: he slipped and fell. But even if that wasn't a ghost,

735
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: not to be morbid. But if you're walking on an

736
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: icy roof, you're about to be a ghost if you

737
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: know me.

738
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Speaker 4: Sure.

739
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: So this place people talked about it was on Unsolved Mysteries, right.

740
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: Well that's the rumor.

741
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: But I've had the hardest time trying to find it,

742
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: so I'm not sure. But I have heard that from many, many,

743
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: many people. I just have not found it myself.

744
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: So you also encountered like a demony kind of thing.

745
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that night I was by myself. I want

746
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: to say, oh gosh, you know, that was like twenty

747
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: years ago now, since I've been in school, So I

748
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: think I was probably in the dark room more than likely, which,

749
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: oddly enough, never felt haunted. It was like the one

750
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: place that didn't feel creepy, even though it should have.

751
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: It was underground, so I had gone into the main

752
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: building and was trying to get back to my dorms

753
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: late at night. Nobody around, and I just felt like

754
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 3: I was being followed. It was just really creepy, and

755
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: I started I just started getting so creeped out that

756
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: I ran into the room where my roommate at the

757
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: time was sleeping, and I looked at the window and

758
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: the window was fogged up in the shape of a

759
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: like a head with horns. And when I looked out

760
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: at other windows, you know, nearby, nobody else had fog

761
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: like that on their windows, So I don't know what

762
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: that was about, but it was very creepy and I

763
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: had a hard time sleeping.

764
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: That is terrifying.

765
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: I'm glad I didn't have this experience. But a friend

766
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: of mine there woke up to, you know, it might

767
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: have been a sleep paralysis type of thing, but she

768
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: woke up to what looked like a dark human figure

769
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 3: made of dark leaves, and it just dissipated in front

770
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: of her.

771
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's normal. Yeah, that happens to me all

772
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: the time. Oh my gosh. But now the whole place

773
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: is gone.

774
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they kept I want to say they

775
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: might have kept like pieces of the building, but I

776
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: don't know. I haven't been over there to see what

777
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: still remains since moving back, because I was in Portland

778
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: for almost fifteen years.

779
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy, this is your next American horror story. I mean,

780
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of perfect. There's anytime a haunted place like

781
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: this has like a full cast where there's like a

782
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: little ghost girl. There's some weird demon thing. We can

783
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: have somebody playing the leaf Man in the middle of

784
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: the night, like I love this. I'm picturing the IMDb already. Okay,

785
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: tell me about the next college you went to.

786
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: That was the College of Santa Fe, which also no

787
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: longer exists, but the building is still there. I have

788
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: visited the building since then and it's very creepy. It

789
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: feels ghostly on campus. But that school is an old

790
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: military base and the lunchroom. To get down to the

791
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: lunch room, you went down a really long haul and

792
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: that hallway is where they used to push soldiers like

793
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: on a stretcher like down to you know what was

794
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: then the lunch room, you know, way back in the day,

795
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: was where they were treating injuries, like a little hospital area.

796
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: And then the fridge where they kept all the food

797
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: was once the morgue.

798
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: Perfect.

799
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: Actually, it didn't feel quite as haunted there to me

800
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: as the other school personally, but I know a lot

801
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: of people had all kinds of different experiences there. My

802
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: own experience there was the first room that I was in.

803
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: It was a dorm room that was by myself, and

804
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: you know, it was my first time, you know that

805
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: far away from all my family and everything, and I

806
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 3: would be going to sleep at night and I would

807
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: hear like as if a guy was like whispering in

808
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: my ear.

809
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: I'd jump up.

810
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: They'd be there, it's say to go away. Nothing would happen,

811
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: and as I would be, you know, getting to my

812
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: fullest sleep, I would hear something really loud in my ear,

813
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: like loud whispers. I can't remember anything that was said anymore,

814
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: it was so long ago, but I did end up

815
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: sleeping on my friends floor, and so I could figure

816
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: out a way out of there because the ghost wouldn't

817
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: go away. There was no way I could tell the school, oh,

818
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: I'm hearing whispers. Thankfully, there was a street light outside

819
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: the window, so I ended up saying that it was

820
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: the light that was keeping me up. And I was

821
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: able to transfer to a different room because of that.

822
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: And then the person that was there after me, they

823
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: didn't experience anything like that. So I was thinking, well,

824
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: maybe it's just me. But then one day on my

825
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: way out, I heard a group of people talking in

826
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: front of that door of that room, and they said

827
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: they were talking about how it's the haunted room and

828
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: talking about these different experiences that they've heard about so

829
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: it wasn't just me, and that made me feel less crazy.

830
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I wonder if you would have said

831
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: it's the haunted room, like can you move me out

832
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: of here? It's haunted, and like what the people have

833
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: been like, yeah, we know. I don't know year was this?

834
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: This was well, it was actually during nine to eleven.

835
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: During that time, because I remember when I found out

836
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: about it. My friend was waking me up on the

837
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: floor and she said, Randy, Randy, the Pentagon was just

838
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: attacked And I said, what's the Pentagon?

839
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

840
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: I was too young. I didn't know. But anyway, so

841
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: that's that's how I remember what you're It.

842
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: Was two thousand and one, so he is probably like

843
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey's Glitter is about to be in theaters. No

844
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: see it for me, I'm a ghost.

845
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: I can't go.

846
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: I really want to see it. Okay, So where else

847
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: have you been? Haunted? And lived in?

848
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 3: The last house in Portland that I lived in, it

849
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: was kind of a quirky house. We heard from these

850
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: two neighbors across the street that we called the Golden Boys,

851
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: that the roof was blown off back in the day

852
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: from mess Lab experiment gone wrong. Okay, and then they

853
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: also used to shoot pornos in the basement amazing well,

854
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: and when when I heard about it, I was like saying, oh,

855
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: what do you think porno ghosts? Fundly, my partner ended

856
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: up finding a secret trap door that looked down into

857
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: the basement from the bathroom, and so I kind of

858
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: can't help but wonder if maybe that we had something

859
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: to do with like getting some interesting camera angles and

860
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: thinking maybe, so.

861
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: Okay, this is actually a TikTok trend that my algorithm

862
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: shows me NonStop, which is people finding trap doors in

863
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: like Victorian houses and digging them up and going into it.

864
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: There's a whole world of this of people doing this,

865
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: and I just can't help but to think, don't go

866
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: in there. That's when they used to keep the bodies

867
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: that you guys did go in there. And then what

868
00:44:59,320 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: did you.

869
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: Lea Well, we could just say down to the washers.

870
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: It was just literally just a space to get where

871
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: you could throw something down from the bathroom to the

872
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: laundry what was now the laundry room. But I'm thinking

873
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 3: that they must have created it to get a good

874
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: camera angle. I don't know why else it would have

875
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: been there. Or just you know, throw your laundry right

876
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: in the wash, right from your bathroom.

877
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: I like the first theory, and I appreciate anyone that's

878
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: artistic in that world and you know, trying to do

879
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: inventive things and not just filming. People do win it

880
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: like they're like, Okay, this one's going to be different.

881
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: We're going to get the we're going to get the

882
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: angle through the wall. So it seems like you're a

883
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: fly on the wall, Like I think that's beautiful exactly.

884
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the kitchen of that house before we even

885
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: moved in there, our friends went there before us, and

886
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: I always felt like there'd be nobody in there, but

887
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: always felt like, oh, there's like a presence in here,

888
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: like here and there. It never felt exactly like the

889
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: same person. So after living there for a while, I

890
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: don't know if it's because I was listening to so

891
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: much ghosted that it was.

892
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, it's fine, it's fine, I love it.

893
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: But I just would always have these feelings it there

894
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: was like different people that would come through, Like I

895
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: don't know if it's like an inter dimensional thing, a

896
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: ghost thing, I'm not sure, but it would just feel

897
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: like these different entities would come through the kitchen, they

898
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't really interact with me. There was one time where

899
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: one did, and I do feel like it was my grandfather.

900
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: I felt like I was being hugged and lifted so

901
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: my feet never like came off of the ground, and

902
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: it really felt like him. So I think that it

903
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: may have been during that time a cousin of mine

904
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: had killed himself and my sister when she found out,

905
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: she was on vacation at the time, and these pictures

906
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: and this is like, you know, digital pictures modern day.

907
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: This isn't like back in the day with film where

908
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 3: you would get like shining orbs and stuff like that.

909
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: This is digital. So in those pictures, every picture that

910
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: she's in, she saw this blue orb during that time.

911
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: Within a couple days of that, I started seeing and

912
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: it happened a couple of times where I saw it

913
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: on the outside of where that kitchen is, a blue,

914
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: very bright flash of light. So I do feel like

915
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: that probably was my cousin. I just because of the

916
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: coincidence alone. She was in Illinois, he was an Illinois

917
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: I was still in Portland.

918
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sold. I think it could be

919
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, but you also saw in that house

920
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: like a creature.

921
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: So I was in the backyard and it was nighttime.

922
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 3: I had actually never heard of the mos man before

923
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: listening to Ghosted, and then I have heard so much since.

924
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: But I was just sitting out there, wasn't looking for anything.

925
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: I wasn't feeling extra spooky or nothing like that. All

926
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I'm looking up in the silhouettes of

927
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: the pine trees again. It's nighttime. All I know is

928
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: I saw and heard very loudly a huge figure like

929
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: the size of a tall man that looked like it

930
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: was covered in wax feathers, jumped from one tree to

931
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: the next tree, and it was so spooky, and I

932
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 3: can't I have no idea what the hell that was.

933
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: My partner was right there. I said, did you see that?

934
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: How did you not hear that? He said he saw

935
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: or heard nothing.

936
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: What if it was the leaf man that your friend saw?

937
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: Maybe it could be.

938
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: Maybe I like.

939
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: The thought of the moth and being like someone talking

940
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: about me in a podcast like that's me just like

941
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: popping by to say hi. One time I was in

942
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: an airport and somebody sitting next to me was I'm

943
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: not nosy, but I saw on their phone that they

944
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: were listening to a podcast that I was on that

945
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: had just dropped that day, and I wanted to be like,

946
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: that's me, but I didn't say anything. But maybe that's

947
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: what the moth Man was doing. Well, Randy, you gave

948
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: us all kinds of stories and I appreciate it. Thank

949
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: you so much for doing this.

950
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me. It's been so amazing

951
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 3: talking to you.

952
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: Oooh, I'm exactly right, thanks to you, Randy. And there

953
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: we go another listener phone call extravaganza. Thank you so

954
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: much to Jill, Ivy and Randy. I love you all,

955
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you

956
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt me, kay By. This has

957
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: been an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal

958
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: experience on the podcast. I read stories out loud and

959
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted

960
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: by Roz at gmail dot com. You can send a

961
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: DM or voice message to the show's instagram at ghosted

962
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: by Roz. Give us a follow while you're there, and

963
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: follow me Roz on Instagram at Roz Hernandez and on

964
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer

965
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming

966
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed by

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00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying

968
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: Patrick Kuttner. Additional aduction support from the hair raising Hannah

969
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine chilling

970
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography

971
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the chilling

972
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia hard Start, and the frightening

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00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: Danielle Kramer.