Speaker 1: What a hell of a show coming your way today. Okay,
Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs are in full effect. I gotta talk
Speaker 1: about that. Jannis might want out of Milwaukee. I gotta
Speaker 1: talk about that. Mjay is coming back to the NBA.
Speaker 1: I got to talk about that. Plus Diddy's trial. Gotta
Speaker 1: talk about that. And there are people that are saying
Speaker 1: that I need to be quiet. One of those people
Speaker 1: includes the one and only Charles Barkley. Simple question, albeit rhetorical,
Speaker 1: when the hell do I listen to people tell me
Speaker 1: what to do when it comes to being me? I'll
Speaker 1: address that too. Steven A. Smith Show in the house,
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Speaker 1: yourself a copy. Before I get into some stuff about Giannas,
Speaker 1: some stuff about the NBA playoffs. I don't know if
Speaker 1: y'all have heard the news, but the goat himself, Yes,
Speaker 1: I said the goat, Michael Jordan, not some other dude
Speaker 1: that all of y'all keep mentioning it. Michael Jordan, Michael
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Jordan. You know that six time champion. You understand,
Speaker 1: you know that first that ten time All NBA First
Speaker 1: Team or eleven time All NBA First Team, that ten
Speaker 1: times scoring champion, that six time NBA Finals MVP. For
Speaker 1: anybody who knows basketball, the guy universally recognizes the greatest
Speaker 1: who have ever touched a basketball. That dude, the billionaire,
Speaker 1: by the way, owner of the Jordan brand. That dude. Well,
Speaker 1: did y'all hear that he is returning to the NBA.
Speaker 1: Michael Jeffrey Jordan is coming back to the NBA in fairness,
Speaker 1: albeit periodically. It's not every week's not every day. Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan will be seen on NBC for their NBA coverage
Speaker 1: next season. It will be periodical. Nevertheless, he will be
Speaker 1: coming on as a contributor, somebody that's going to be
Speaker 1: given commentary expressing his opinion and to use his words
Speaker 1: that he is fond of saying. He's not trying to
Speaker 1: be brutal, just honest in any way you slice it,
Speaker 1: any way you slice it. Let me tell you this
Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan. Obviously, he's somebody that I know, got
Speaker 1: a lot of love for I've known her for many years.
Speaker 1: We talk quite often and clearly He's a brilliant basketball mind.
Speaker 1: How could you not be being as great as he was?
Speaker 1: My only suggestion would be to NBC, And that would
Speaker 1: be even though this is not something that you should
Speaker 1: you would normally take into consideration, I would ask you
Speaker 1: to do this because I kind of know a thing
Speaker 1: or two about television and what works for television, and
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you some friendly advice even though it's
Speaker 1: not ESPN or ABC. Instead it's a competitor like NBC
Speaker 1: Number one. You might want to let him smoke your
Speaker 1: cigars because the Michael Jordan smoking a cigar is a
Speaker 1: little bit different than the Michael Jordan than a The
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan has smoke those cigars gets very very relaxed.
Speaker 1: When he's very very relaxed, he tends to be a
Speaker 1: bit more outspoken. And that dude, trust me. Y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: want to see that brother on television. You want to
Speaker 1: see that brother on television, And just think for a second.
Speaker 1: Just think for a second. I'm not talking about statistical
Speaker 1: data that you can analyze, dissect and refute. If the
Speaker 1: man is talking to you about basketball, what the hell
Speaker 1: are you gonna say? If Michael Jordan's not that he would.
Speaker 1: But let's say, for the sake of argument, if Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan was to sit up there and say that brother
Speaker 1: can't play, who's gonna refute it? If he's just there
Speaker 1: and said that brother can't close. Uh, who you think
Speaker 1: is gonna refute it? If he sits there and says, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is a dude, I want the ball to when
Speaker 1: the game's on the line, as he's analyzing and dissecting
Speaker 1: the game of basketball, and he's telling you what's happening
Speaker 1: in the moment, and he's telling you what this dude
Speaker 1: or that dude is going to do. What you're gonna say.
Speaker 1: This is basketball analysis. This is an ownership where you
Speaker 1: gotta take a whole bunch of financial things into consideration.
Speaker 1: This is pure basketball. And I assure you, outside of
Speaker 1: bringing Amar Rashard back to NBC to be the one
Speaker 1: talking with him, there's nothing better than putting a cigar
Speaker 1: in that brother's hands. Gets very relaxed. And I'm telling
Speaker 1: you it's gonna be mussy television no matter what, because
Speaker 1: when Michael Jordan speaks, we gonna listen. But especially if
Speaker 1: the brother got a cigar in his hand, just trust
Speaker 1: me on this seems like a little little thing, like
Speaker 1: a stick of something. No no, no, no, no, trust me.
Speaker 1: Trust me. Now, let me divert back to a different
Speaker 1: subject in a current NBA player. We're gonna get started
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and before we get to the players,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the future of Jannis after
Speaker 1: the Kompo with the Milwaukee Bucks. League sources tell esping
Speaker 1: that Giannis is reportedly open to exploring his best long
Speaker 1: term option after three consecutive postseasons in the first round.
Speaker 1: Combine that with the fact that Dame Lillard will likely
Speaker 1: be out at least a year with the rupture achilles
Speaker 1: injury he suffered a few weeks ago. Anthon the Kumpo
Speaker 1: was drafted by Milwaukee in twenty thirteen and spent his
Speaker 1: entire twelve season career with the Milwaukee Bucks. He's a champion,
Speaker 1: a Finals MVP, a two time NBA MVP, and a
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year, most Improved Player, and an
Speaker 1: eight time All start a boot all right, all NBA,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, a time All NBA, and a nine time
Speaker 1: All Star. So this is not a surprise. The Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Bucks don't have draft capital for the next five years,
Speaker 1: which means that essentially you have to depend on free
Speaker 1: agency and who they're gonna go out and get. The
Speaker 1: best thing they could do was ship Chris Middleton out
Speaker 1: to get in Kyle Kuzman. How did that work out?
Speaker 1: They got some decent pieces. They're not scrubs. They can
Speaker 1: play Damian Lillard when healthy is a superstar in this league,
Speaker 1: make no mistake about it, and Yannis is an all
Speaker 1: world player. But the reality is is that he needs
Speaker 1: help that the Milwaukee Bucks franchise can't get. A matter
Speaker 1: of fact, they need him to bring in additional help
Speaker 1: upon his departure. And that's what we have to look
Speaker 1: at here. Jannis is in the discussion for the greatest
Speaker 1: European player who has ever lived, and one of the
Speaker 1: greatest big men the game has ever seen world over worldwide.
Speaker 1: And even though the Lakers traded for Luka Doncic and
Speaker 1: didn't have to give up but so much in draft capital.
Speaker 1: That cannot be the case for the Milwaukee Bucks. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose Gianna Santha to Kopo, there needs to
Speaker 1: be multiple draft picks. It needs to be something along
Speaker 1: the lines of what the New York Knicks gave up
Speaker 1: for Michel Bridges, which is five first round picks.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 1: I'm protected that's what it needs to be. Something like that,
Speaker 1: which means it'll probably require getting a third team involved.
Speaker 1: Either way you slice it.
Speaker 3: The bottom line is this somebody brought up the Knicks.
Speaker 3: Did somebody bring up the Knicks? I'm like a genie.
Speaker 3: You mentioned it, Nickson, I'm popping up.
Speaker 1: Did you walk in the middle of my damn satment?
Speaker 1: I did, cause I'm trying well listen just because you
Speaker 1: of age, don't mean as your uncle, I won't get
Speaker 1: up this chin whip your ass. You don't walk in
Speaker 1: and interrupt my openness a little. QUI my opening monologist
Speaker 1: rub with you.
Speaker 3: I'm here to make sure I shadow you. I don't
Speaker 3: have a ticket, so I'm with you. Be attached at
Speaker 3: the Hit until ten o'clock tonight.
Speaker 1: Looking like that with the damn towel on your head.
Speaker 3: I look like I'm supposed to be in that front
Speaker 3: road intimidating the Celtics, unlike all you celebrities.
Speaker 4: I'm here.
Speaker 1: Could you at least shut the hell up so I
Speaker 1: can finish this before I get to you? Can you
Speaker 1: shut up anyway? My point is, if you're Yannis and
Speaker 1: you want to depart, here's the question to throw out
Speaker 1: to all of y'all for consideration. You don't have to
Speaker 1: answer it today. You definitely not answer it today. Do
Speaker 1: you tell the Milwaukee Bucks I want to become a
Speaker 1: New York Knick. Do you tell them Milwaukee Bucks I
Speaker 1: want to become a Los Angeles Laker? Or do you
Speaker 1: tell the Milwaukee Bucks. I'm open to going to Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City to join SGA, I'm open to going to San
Speaker 1: Antonio to join Victim and Bianna. Y'am a rather, what
Speaker 1: do you do Andy Aaron Fox? Let's not forget him.
Speaker 1: What do you do if you're are Yannis at the compo? Now,
Speaker 1: my first order of business will say the New York Knicks.
Speaker 1: That would be me. It's a Matison Square garden, It's
Speaker 1: the mecca. You understand, I'll let you I'll let you
Speaker 1: comment about that real quickly. Do you agree with that
Speaker 1: absolutely that he could become to New York?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Who do you give up for the statue of Liberty?
Speaker 3: Tom Thibodeau one of my kids. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: We need anything for Janness, anything including.
Speaker 4: Brunton, not Michael Jaylen.
Speaker 3: That's the that's the that's the pair we need everybody else.
Speaker 3: We got macau for five picks. Give the five picks
Speaker 3: five more.
Speaker 1: So you to give up Og, Michel, Karl, Anthony Towns,
Speaker 1: all of that, right, Yeah, the liberty too.
Speaker 3: Whoever it is you honestly talking about you, anything about
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: I can't even disagree with I can't even disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. But we can talk about
Speaker 1: that another day because i gotta get onto another subject.
Speaker 1: The NBA Draft lottery is tonight with the Jazz, Wizards,
Speaker 1: and Hornets all having a fourteen percent chance of landing
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick, which is the most which
Speaker 1: most expect to be Cooper Flag. And this is where
Speaker 1: I'm at with this Cooper Flag. This is clearly his draft,
Speaker 1: and I like the kid. The kid is special, make
Speaker 1: no mistake about it, Cooper Flag Ball. But there were
Speaker 1: four occasions this year when he had an opportunity to close,
Speaker 1: and not only did he fail to close, but half
Speaker 1: the time it involved turnovers. And so I'm looking at
Speaker 1: it from that standpoint, and clearly he's too young to
Speaker 1: judge or whatever, and the skills a real big time.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. I think he's got a bright,
Speaker 1: bright future. He's got Utah written all over him, even
Speaker 1: though I would like to see if somebody like Houston
Speaker 1: could get their hands on them, or if somebody like
Speaker 1: Saying Antonio could get their hands on them, because the
Speaker 1: one thing about Cooper Flag in this draft is that
Speaker 1: whoever gets the number one overall pick is going to
Speaker 1: have major, major leverage when it comes potentially to acquiring
Speaker 1: somebody like a Gianni Sante Takumpo. You just never know. Now,
Speaker 1: I will allow my nephew to come in here to
Speaker 1: talk to me about the NBA playoffs. How are you
Speaker 1: feeling about our Knicks as they approach Game four to
Speaker 1: night against the Bosston Celtics after getting she lacked in
Speaker 1: Game three and in the vast majority of the first
Speaker 1: three games in this series, being down twenty even though
Speaker 1: they came back and won in games one and two.
Speaker 1: How you feeling about the Knicks right now?
Speaker 3: I'm not feeling too good, and it's it's because of
Speaker 3: the coach. And I hate to sound like a dead horse,
Speaker 3: but Tom Thibodell played Jalen Brunson forty minutes last game
Speaker 3: and we was down twenty for forty out of the
Speaker 3: forty eight minutes. At what point do you rust them
Speaker 3: and think about the next round if we beat the Celtics.
Speaker 3: We lost to the Pacers last year and they run
Speaker 3: up and down Michael Jalen twenty seven now for twenty one.
Speaker 3: I mean, what we gotta do is start Mitchell Robinson.
Speaker 4: That's the answer.
Speaker 1: Start Mitchell Robinson, who's shooting seven of twenty three from
Speaker 1: the free throw line thirty That Mitchell Robinson. You say,
Speaker 1: start him?
Speaker 3: Why because they're fouling him when we're in the penalty,
Speaker 3: so he goes to the line. Start him the first
Speaker 3: five minutes of a quarter when we're not in the penalty.
Speaker 3: So if you're gonna foil him, she's not gonna go
Speaker 3: to the line.
Speaker 2: Simple things.
Speaker 1: Or if you foul him an a motion of shooting,
Speaker 1: then he will go to the loft.
Speaker 4: You know, he'll never have the ball motion to shooting.
Speaker 1: But sometimes he does get the ball. Sometimes he is
Speaker 1: getting found when he grabs a rebound and he goes
Speaker 1: for a footback of something that is true.
Speaker 4: Now strict to strictly dunk the ball or something like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, if you're gonna fil him in, but to foul
Speaker 3: him when we just dribbling up the court and you're
Speaker 3: slowing down the game, it's almost like watching a football game.
Speaker 3: You're stopping in between. They got to set up some
Speaker 3: type of rule. Y'all just gonna let that happen.
Speaker 1: Well, you sound like a person that's really really upset
Speaker 1: because you expected the Knicks to win this series? Did
Speaker 1: you really expect him to win the series of where
Speaker 1: you're just trying to be a contrarian and act like
Speaker 1: you were just you was feeling differently because you want
Speaker 1: to show that you different from everybody else, even with
Speaker 1: that weak ass towel on your head like everybody else wears.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a ftan of knowing what you know? Now,
Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson, is he better than you, Holliday?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 4: He is Macal Bridges. Is he better than Jaylen Brown?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Is OG better than Tatum?
Speaker 1: Not that after the last game, OG did nothing, but
Speaker 1: it matters, It matters, and overall Tatum is better than OG.
Speaker 1: We love OG, but OG ain't Jason Tatum?
Speaker 4: What towns?
Speaker 1: What about towns? He's a shooter. He's a shooter. But
Speaker 1: his post game is suspect. His defense has been suspect
Speaker 1: as well, and just watching it run up and down
Speaker 1: the floor, it's uncomfortable to watch. He don't look like
Speaker 1: the healthiest cat out there.
Speaker 5: You know what it is?
Speaker 3: We gotta fire Tom Tibberda on high and mellow about
Speaker 3: Carmelo Anthony as the coach was JJ Reddick.
Speaker 4: What's the different?
Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony has never shown any inclination to coach whatsoever.
Speaker 1: He's never said that he wanted to coach, never said
Speaker 1: that is, yes, he did, JJ Reddick. Everybody and the
Speaker 1: mother knew that JJ Reddick wanted to be a coach.
Speaker 4: So what does he do about it?
Speaker 3: He wasn't coaching, So you go on first take when
Speaker 3: you want to be a coach, I guess I want
Speaker 3: to be a coach.
Speaker 1: To that that that that that is? I mean some people,
Speaker 1: I mean Doc Rivers was on TV before before and
Speaker 1: everybody looked at that and they hired him, Mark Jackson
Speaker 1: and Jeff Van Gundy and others. I mean, these positions
Speaker 1: in television do lead to head coaching jobs.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we should switch it up or the
Speaker 3: coaching jobs. Mello has a podcast, so we respect his voice.
Speaker 1: That's one too, So you respect the voice of him
Speaker 1: just because he has a podcast as opposed to anybody else.
Speaker 4: That's just one of the reasons. But the other reason would.
Speaker 3: Be he could tell kat Listen, Drew Holidays behind you
Speaker 3: bury him, what are you at the three point line?
Speaker 5: For?
Speaker 4: You got him fore arming you out to the three.
Speaker 1: Point He is the best shooting big man in basketball,
Speaker 1: but his lower extremities are not that's big. Is not
Speaker 1: that strong. Rather and his feet, his feet, his side
Speaker 1: twenty one feet. I hear the brother has bad feet.
Speaker 4: Did you hear that before we go?
Speaker 1: Before we traded everybody fan? Yes, But because he could
Speaker 1: shoot so well and we needed somebody to the assistant shooting,
Speaker 1: we didn't mind the giving up of Julius random and
Speaker 1: Dante's Vincenzo. Even though I will concede this as I'm
Speaker 1: watching the Knicks in this series and I'm seeing even
Speaker 1: though they won the first two games, or what have
Speaker 1: you just watch, I shouldn't say this series, Eason, I
Speaker 1: have found myself watching Julius Randall and saying to myself
Speaker 1: in this postseason and saying to myself, if we could
Speaker 1: have kept Hartenstein with Randall and Devincenzo. That might have
Speaker 1: been better than having called Anthony Towns and Michel Bridges.
Speaker 1: That's how I'm feeling right now. That's what it is
Speaker 1: you think, which means that you have a problem with
Speaker 1: what Leon Rose did.
Speaker 4: No, not really. We lost toughness with Julius Randall, which
Speaker 4: I said off the beginning.
Speaker 3: We went for talent over toughness, and right now against
Speaker 3: the Celtics, that's what we need.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be series with Carling, Anthony Towns, talent shines.
Speaker 1: Hold on whose watch you got on? What? Whose watch
Speaker 1: do you have on mine? Where do you get it?
Speaker 1: Joe the jewry at the jewelry store.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna keep saying, I'm still people watching.
Speaker 1: When it looked like you looked like an old watch
Speaker 1: that I had that was in my jewelry box. I
Speaker 1: just looked at it the other day. And when when
Speaker 1: you have when when you have my hot mouse? When
Speaker 1: you at my house? When when you at my house
Speaker 1: that was in my jewelry box.
Speaker 3: Josh, listen, your friend Michael Jilden, Let's get to him.
Speaker 3: Why are you talking like he's some some basketball guru?
Speaker 2: Genius.
Speaker 1: Is he not? Is he not? I'm talking about just
Speaker 1: talking about analysis. You can't go about all the ownership
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff because you're purchasing a team
Speaker 1: in a small market, obviously you got to take finances
Speaker 1: into consideration. You're trying to make money and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and then sometimes that goes a rod, which is why
Speaker 1: he's not really really doing that anymore. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he doesn't know the game.
Speaker 4: Did he draft Brown?
Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
Speaker 4: Did he draft Cody Zellen?
Speaker 2: Number four?
Speaker 1: Three? I believe. I believe it was three.
Speaker 4: I believe about Frank Kaminski over Devin Booker.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: You see drafted Shade, which was a good draft, traded
Speaker 3: him for miles of ridges.
Speaker 4: Why I don't want to listen to Michael Jordan talk
Speaker 4: about basketball.
Speaker 1: We know what he did. You know what. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna be on this show. We're gonna change the subject.
Speaker 1: You will not disrespect the great Michael Jordan. That will
Speaker 1: not happen. That will not happen. Not the greatest player
Speaker 1: who has ever lived, good, good, great, great, the greatest,
Speaker 1: the greatest. Let's be very very clear, watch your mouth,
Speaker 1: mind your manners. You know what you're talking about here?
Speaker 1: One minute youre talking about your mama. The next who,
Speaker 1: by the way, is the Disney World right now? Enjoining usself? Right?
Speaker 1: And stuff like that? Why would you care about that?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you just be thankful that that's such your
Speaker 1: own mother? Don't you want her to be happy? You
Speaker 1: think about what about me? That's the name of your
Speaker 1: production company. It should be what about Me? Because that's
Speaker 1: what it should be, because that's all you think about.
Speaker 1: What about me? I sent your mother to Disney World
Speaker 1: because that's what she wanted with her friends. And instead
Speaker 1: of being happy for her, who works hard, who took
Speaker 1: care of you and what have you, you're thinking about
Speaker 1: why you didn't get what she has.
Speaker 3: You're right, I'm glad she's in Disney World.
Speaker 1: Why you're waving over there for cameras right here? I
Speaker 1: really didn't mean it. I really didn't mean He didn't
Speaker 1: really mean to say, you're wrong about your own ID.
Speaker 3: Because I want to go my call. This's mad stuff
Speaker 3: we got to talk about.
Speaker 1: Like what what a celebrity road that's on your mind?
Speaker 3: Well, as far as today goes right, the city is
Speaker 3: looking for me to be courtside the city.
Speaker 4: It's not just me talking.
Speaker 1: In He says, who how do you know this? How
Speaker 1: do you know what the city is looking for?
Speaker 3: I'm on the internet, you know what it is. You
Speaker 3: don't even be on your phone. He only texts people.
Speaker 3: All of these celebrities at courtside. All they do is
Speaker 3: text each other set up business meetings. You're not even
Speaker 3: watching the game. I need to be court side. Look
Speaker 3: at Spike, you know what I give spite credits.
Speaker 1: You don understand you're not tearing into the right camera, right'
Speaker 1: It's such an amateur. It's such an amateur. That's the
Speaker 1: camera right in front of you.
Speaker 4: Look Look at fat Joe. Look at Fat Joe.
Speaker 1: Orange on it all.
Speaker 3: It's a fashion show to y'all. All y'all do is
Speaker 3: meet up Tracy Morgan?
Speaker 1: So what would you call? What would you call how
Speaker 1: you're dressed?
Speaker 3: I look like a player almost. I look like I
Speaker 3: need to be subbed in. That's why I throw the tiler.
Speaker 3: I had shades on just so I can look a
Speaker 3: little different from the player or people might think I belong.
Speaker 1: What would you do if you were sitting course? I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't even gonna ask this question. Do I get
Speaker 1: you the hell out of here. What would you do
Speaker 1: if you were sitting courts?
Speaker 3: I would make Jason Tatum uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: How using my voice.
Speaker 4: I'm not texting.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking to Chris rot about a movie that
Speaker 3: we might do next week. I'm not doing none of that.
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum pulled up to New York and Timberlands. He's disrespectful.
Speaker 3: Nobody said nothing about him.
Speaker 4: Good thing. I'm a part of the media now thanks
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 1: Come on, no, we got bills to pay and I'm
Speaker 1: tired of looking at him right now?
Speaker 4: See yaa nay back on the more and then attash
Speaker 4: that they hit.
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Speaker 1: should I say advice from Charles Barkley in regards to me. Barkley,
Speaker 1: who's a friend and a brother, appeared on Outkicks, Don't
Speaker 1: Act Me Podcasts with Dan Dakish. Dan asked Barkley about
Speaker 1: the myriad of places I've been seen recently talking about sports, politics,
Speaker 1: and even acting on General Hospital in recently Law in Order.
Speaker 1: Here's what Barkley had to say, take a look at
Speaker 1: this police So I don't want to be on TV more.
Speaker 1: I want to be on TV less. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's the Stephen A.
Speaker 4: Smith method right now.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's hotelience.
Speaker 6: That's not listen, that's not As a matter of fact,
Speaker 6: I was in a studio last night and I see he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be on Law and Order tonight.
Speaker 6: I mean he's already on the God, he's already on
Speaker 6: General Hospital. Now he's gonna be on Law and Order tonight.
Speaker 6: And I was just laughing. I'm like, yo, man, you're
Speaker 6: starting to be too much right now. Like you're gonna
Speaker 6: be on CNN, You're gonna be on Foxing Friends, Now
Speaker 6: you on General Hospital, now you're on Law and Order.
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Speaker 1: First order of business as a full warning. Anything I
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Speaker 1: that I say that is critical of Charles Barkley is
Speaker 1: all in fun. One That is my friend, that is
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Speaker 1: I'm devoid of the right to call him a flaming
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Speaker 1: slickly brings up you know me with politics and all
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Speaker 1: could say some of the things that they say. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it absolutely positively blows me away. Okay, because I'm not
Speaker 1: the one with commercials everywhere I'm working Fox and Friends.
Speaker 1: Know that involves early mornings. That's a rare appearance that
Speaker 1: almost never happens. That's not accurate. ESPN is the worldwide leader.
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Speaker 1: me pretty much weekly on Chris Cuomo's show New on
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Speaker 1: been seen? Can we really really get to the heart
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Speaker 1: This is the director that all the folks out there,
Speaker 1: I'm making people very uncomfortable, and I don't give a shit.
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Speaker 1: to laugh and smile and have fun. But I know
Speaker 1: who the hell I am. We're talking about me on
Speaker 1: General Hospital? Why now, I've been on General Hospital for
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Speaker 1: It's a different audience. I went on Law and Order.
Speaker 1: That's the first time I've been on prime time television
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Speaker 1: That's not sports. So if you're watching sports, chances are
Speaker 1: you're not watching those other things. You might not be
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Speaker 1: you would turn down those opportunities if it came your way?
Speaker 1: Why are you in this business? Yes, it's easy for
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Speaker 1: a year, even though that's a lie because he's definitely
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Speaker 1: You've been making that money for years, So when we
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Speaker 1: with substance that I have something to say that will
Speaker 1: draw viewers and listeners to your respective shows. Isn't that
Speaker 1: what we're supposed to be doing? In this business. So
Speaker 1: Charles Barker, you continue to do the great job that
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Speaker 1: the way that he does significantly better than almost anybody
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Speaker 1: I love talking about social giving social commentary or social issues,
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Speaker 1: some way translates into me being in the mix and
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Speaker 1: be it. It's not where my interest lies. But I
Speaker 1: don't rule it out because I believe I could win.
Speaker 1: And I'll be damned if anybody, especially my friend and
Speaker 1: my brother, who did nothing for years other than play
Speaker 1: basketball yet repeatedly announced his desires to one day run
Speaker 1: for the governor of Alabama, is gonna sit here and
Speaker 1: tell me is a bit too much? It's too much?
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Speaker 1: on another show. I actually have things to say. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody can deny that. I'll leave it at
Speaker 1: that until a later date. Anyway, coming up could AOC
Speaker 1: that is Alexandria oor Cassio Cortez becoming a Democratic front
Speaker 1: runner for the President of the United States of America
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. She's not ruling it out. I'll
Speaker 1: get into that ahead, but first, a jury is seated
Speaker 1: in the federal sex trafficking and racketeering trial for Showan
Speaker 1: Diddy Combs. What can we expect this week? I'll get
Speaker 1: into that with our legal analyst extraordinario, the one and
Speaker 1: only Ryan Smith. He's up next right here on the
Speaker 1: stephen A. Smith Show, over the digital airways with YouTube
Speaker 1: and of course iHeartRadio. Back with more in a minute.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to stephen A. Smith Show. Opening arguments were
Speaker 1: set to begin today in the holly endnticipated federal trial
Speaker 1: for hip hop mogul Sean Diddy Combs, Colmbs has been
Speaker 1: accused of sex trafficking by force, transportation to engage in prostitution,
Speaker 1: and racketeering conspiracy as part of a federal indictment originally
Speaker 1: filed in September of last year. The Feds later added
Speaker 1: two more superseding indictments. Combs and his legal team have
Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty to all of the chargers. Joining me
Speaker 1: now to break this all down as a friend of
Speaker 1: the program, He's an outstanding attorney who moonlights as a
Speaker 1: sports center anchor for ESPN. He's also a legal analyst
Speaker 1: for ABC News all over the Disney family. The one
Speaker 1: and only Ryan Smith is right here with yours, truly, Ryan,
Speaker 1: always good to see you, my brother, always good to
Speaker 1: see you. Let's get right to it. The trial started
Speaker 1: today with six female prosecutors presenting the case against Colmes.
Speaker 1: What impact, if any, could that have on a jury.
Speaker 5: Well, that has a big impact, and the goal of
Speaker 5: that is not only to use some of the top
Speaker 5: prosecutors in the land to prosecute the case, but it's
Speaker 5: also to show that this case is not just about
Speaker 5: Seawan Didy Combs, but it's about what.
Speaker 2: He did to primarily women.
Speaker 5: And when you show that kind of front in the
Speaker 5: prosecution all women prosecution team prosecuting this case. It focuses
Speaker 5: the jury for prosecutors on what they want them to
Speaker 5: be focused on. This was a man who might not
Speaker 5: have done every single elements of the crime, but racketeering
Speaker 5: is not about that. This kind of charge of conspiracy
Speaker 5: is not about that. It's about a man who used
Speaker 5: his power to force women into sexual situations. And so
Speaker 5: that is part of what they're trying to show. But
Speaker 5: I don't want it to be missed in all of this,
Speaker 5: stephen A, that these are some of the top prosecutors
Speaker 5: in the land. So I think sometimes in a tendency
Speaker 5: to say, oh, it's all women, they're doing that to
Speaker 5: put on a show. No, they're using some of the
Speaker 5: best prosecutors in the land to make the case by
Speaker 5: their presence that this is about holding someone accountable.
Speaker 1: Okay, Ryan, you said top prosecutors in the land with me?
Speaker 1: Because is that to imply these ain't just the top
Speaker 1: prosecutors in New York. This is not a local thing.
Speaker 1: They went all over the country and got the six
Speaker 1: of the best prosecutors in the country who happen to
Speaker 1: be female. Is that what you're saying no.
Speaker 2: It's more like the top the prosecutors in New York.
Speaker 5: The New York Office is one of the best in
Speaker 5: the world, and so these are their best.
Speaker 2: These are their top.
Speaker 5: These are people who have handled cases like just Lady
Speaker 5: Maxwell connected to the Epstein case.
Speaker 2: That's the lead prosecutor in this case, handle that case.
Speaker 5: So these are some of the best women in some
Speaker 5: of the best office in the world.
Speaker 1: Break down the demographics, the dynamics and the demographics of
Speaker 1: this jury. How many females, how many males, how many blacks,
Speaker 1: how many whites? What can you tell us about the
Speaker 1: actual jury and the alternates that have been assigned to
Speaker 1: this case.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've got a full jury, You've got six alternates.
Speaker 5: They're a bit all over the map, and I think
Speaker 5: that's what you want in a case like this. Men
Speaker 5: and women, different hues, different colors, different races, but they
Speaker 5: also come from different socioeconomic backgrounds. Some come from different
Speaker 5: higher level jobs. Other there's one juror who's a clerk
Speaker 5: at a store in New York. So I think that's
Speaker 5: what prosecutors wanted to paint here, a broad swath of
Speaker 5: New York society of people who are there to try
Speaker 5: to judge this case. It can be an advantage for prosecutors.
Speaker 5: It can also be an advantage for the defense because
Speaker 5: the defense can look at this and say, we are
Speaker 5: going to try in many ways to show you that
Speaker 5: Shawncombs might not be a great guy, might be a dirk,
Speaker 5: might be angry, might have committed domestic violence. But was
Speaker 5: he a racketeer? Was he someone who we should hold
Speaker 5: accountable for? What the prosecution is saying. So this jury
Speaker 5: is a diverse broad swath of people in New York,
Speaker 5: But we will see how that plays out on either side.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I'm looking at right now,
Speaker 1: this is called the fresh CNN update. I wanted to
Speaker 1: know what you could validate, what you can elaborate upon,
Speaker 1: if at all, It says the jury was shown additional
Speaker 1: footage from the hotel hallway. The jury is being shown
Speaker 1: footage from the north hallway of the sixth floor of
Speaker 1: the Intercontinental Hotel. This is where p Diddy ran around,
Speaker 1: ran out in the hallway with just a towel wrapped
Speaker 1: around himself, naked up top, going after casting in Ventur,
Speaker 1: trying to prevent her from getting on the elevated He
Speaker 1: grabbed it, he shoved her down, he kicked her, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. He acknowledged you know how hainus the video
Speaker 1: was in his own social media posting in the aftermath
Speaker 1: of this being publicized. Could you tell us what happened
Speaker 1: today inside that courtroom as it pertains to evidence that
Speaker 1: was shown to the jury and any testimony that was given.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that evidence that that video right there, that is
Speaker 5: the most powerful piece of evidence the prosecution has, and
Speaker 5: they put it right up front. First witness in the trial,
Speaker 5: they called they put that on full display.
Speaker 2: You talk about the extended view of this.
Speaker 5: What they're trying to show is the defense will try
Speaker 5: to say, hey, this was an argument.
Speaker 2: This was an argument between a couple that went awry.
Speaker 5: Yes there was domestic violence here, but this isn't any
Speaker 5: evidence of racketeering or conspiracy. So the prosecution year is
Speaker 5: trying to show an expanded view. What that does is
Speaker 5: it kind of undercuts any defense argument that says, you're
Speaker 5: not showing the whole context of what happened, You're not
Speaker 5: showing what really happened, and there was so much more
Speaker 5: that went on that tells a story of more of
Speaker 5: some a couple that got into an argument, rather than
Speaker 5: something that builds more into a criminal racketeering conspiracy or
Speaker 5: something that is a broader issue that comes from it.
Speaker 5: So that's what they're showing there, Steven. The big part
Speaker 5: of today though, was opening statements. The prosecution gets up
Speaker 5: first and lays out their case, and their case is
Speaker 5: essentially this Son Comb's big music mogul committed these crimes,
Speaker 5: had these freak offs, had coerce women into fource sex,
Speaker 5: all as a part of a criminal enterprise, and others
Speaker 5: were involved to facilitate that enterprise. But the defense part
Speaker 5: of this, they come second. And how they contrasted it,
Speaker 5: I think is very interesting. They didn't try to say
Speaker 5: Shawn Commes did none of this. They said, look, he's
Speaker 5: a bad guy, he's a jerk, he has anger issues,
Speaker 5: he took drugs, and they even took the step of
Speaker 5: saying that he had some domestic violence in his past.
Speaker 2: That is important because in.
Speaker 5: A way you put to the jury, hey, if he
Speaker 5: had these things, doesn't that build into what the prosecution's saying.
Speaker 2: What the defense is going.
Speaker 5: To try to do here is say just because he
Speaker 5: is a bad person doesn't mean he is a person
Speaker 5: who did illegal things. We do commit We do not
Speaker 5: convict people for being bad people. We convict people for
Speaker 5: doing illegal activities. So was what we're seeing here in
Speaker 5: this case jury? Is what the defense is trying to say.
Speaker 5: Was what we're seeing here evidence of a racketeering enterprise,
Speaker 5: conspiracy things like that? Or was this a person with
Speaker 5: anger issues that you or I might have septual proclivities
Speaker 5: that we may not understand or agree with.
Speaker 2: But are these things that should lead to a conviction
Speaker 2: in this case?
Speaker 5: And I think that's a risky thing to do in
Speaker 5: some ways, but it's what they have to do because
Speaker 5: they've got a very imperfect client.
Speaker 1: Let's stick to that word risky that you just do
Speaker 1: out there. I would imagine youth surmised and deduce that
Speaker 1: this is risky because the times that we're living in.
Speaker 1: This is not the nineties, This is not the eighties,
Speaker 1: This is not even the early two thousands. This is
Speaker 1: a time where domestic violence has really really come to
Speaker 1: the forefront of the mind's eye of American citizens and
Speaker 1: beyond because of the heinous behavior of a lot of people,
Speaker 1: most of them being men against women. The Me Too movement,
Speaker 1: the aftermath of all of that and what have you.
Speaker 1: You're looking at those kind of things, and I find
Speaker 1: myself saying, why in God's name with the defense team
Speaker 1: believe that that's a strategy to employ in light of
Speaker 1: how sensitive we are to those things in these times
Speaker 1: compared to how we were in years past. Is that
Speaker 1: why you use the word risky? It is.
Speaker 5: It is because we are in a time where we
Speaker 5: are believing people who are accusing big titans of industry
Speaker 5: like Sean Combs. So in the past, a lot of
Speaker 5: times you could undercut that in so many ways.
Speaker 2: In the defense team.
Speaker 5: You could try to dismiss a victim, you could try
Speaker 5: to attack people who are accusing people of other things.
Speaker 5: That is a much tougher thing to do today. That's
Speaker 5: why it's risky. And in a way, it's risky because
Speaker 5: you're painting part of the prosecutor's picture. The prosecution is
Speaker 5: trying to show this was a man who had these
Speaker 5: freak offs, did all these coerced women into sexual, horrendous
Speaker 5: sexual engagements, all because he's trying to further this enterprise.
Speaker 5: And then you're getting up and saying, yeah, you're seeing
Speaker 5: a video he did do some domestic violence, he did
Speaker 5: have angers who he did take drugs for example, even
Speaker 5: the drugs part if he took drugs part of the
Speaker 5: prosecution cases he drugged women to do some of these things.
Speaker 5: That helps a jury build into the prosecution's case. But
Speaker 5: you do this because in some ways you don't have
Speaker 5: another choice. You do this because you know there's a
Speaker 5: video out there that jurors are seeing today in that
Speaker 5: courtroom that shows what he did. You see that there
Speaker 5: is information they're going to see evidence in that jury
Speaker 5: of these free cofts and things like that, so you
Speaker 5: know this is the situation. The way you can paint
Speaker 5: this is to try to humanize Shawn Combs to this
Speaker 5: jury and say, look, I know you might not engage
Speaker 5: in these things.
Speaker 2: I know he might live a different life.
Speaker 5: But just because he lives a different life, would you
Speaker 5: want someone coming in and saying, hey, you live a
Speaker 5: different life, so now we're going to prosecute you. I
Speaker 5: think that's what they're trying to do. But you make
Speaker 5: the great point, stephen A. In this day and age,
Speaker 5: doing that is a tough needle to thread because when
Speaker 5: you do that, you open the door of well, are
Speaker 5: we not supposed to believe these women.
Speaker 2: Are we not supposed to believe what they say Shawn
Speaker 2: Coombs did?
Speaker 5: Are we not supposed to believe what we're seeing on
Speaker 5: video and how Shawn Combs in our minds, Yes, he
Speaker 5: could have paid off people at the hotel or done
Speaker 5: certain things to try to cover some of this uff.
Speaker 5: And isn't that part of the criminal enterprise they're trying
Speaker 5: to prove? So that's where it becomes risky.
Speaker 1: Define for our audience the word racketeering and the word
Speaker 1: enterprise because that those words are thrown out obviously as
Speaker 1: part of this indictment, of course, but I don't think
Speaker 1: people understand those two words when you say criminal and
Speaker 1: they understand where criminal, criminal enterprise, racketeering, explain enterprise, explain
Speaker 1: racketeering for the purposes of these specific charges against Sean
Speaker 1: Diddy Goombs.
Speaker 5: Okay, that racketeering and criminal enterprise, I think people can
Speaker 5: look at it as where it started from years and
Speaker 5: years ago, when the government was trying to go after
Speaker 5: organizations like the mob. It was so tough because in
Speaker 5: that kind of situation, the person you're trying to accuse
Speaker 5: of the crime didn't do every part of the crime.
Speaker 5: So let's say a mob boss ordered to hit on somebody,
Speaker 5: They might not have done the actual hit, so how
Speaker 5: do you connect them to that racketeering?
Speaker 2: And when you talk about criminal.
Speaker 5: Enterprises is where the government tries to set up a
Speaker 5: scenario where they say and enterprise was set.
Speaker 2: Up to do the crime.
Speaker 5: In order to do the crime, multiple people had to
Speaker 5: be involved, but there was somebody at the.
Speaker 2: Top who started the whole thing.
Speaker 5: So we're going to try to get all of those
Speaker 5: people to paint the picture of the enterprise and convict
Speaker 5: the person who started the thing. So when Shawn Colmes' case,
Speaker 5: the way it breaks down is to say he set
Speaker 5: up a criminal enterprise. He wanted to do things like
Speaker 5: freak offs and this coercion of women and these abusive
Speaker 5: things that they're accusing him of, So he set up
Speaker 5: an enterprise. That enterprise had people going to get the women,
Speaker 5: had people procuring the drugs, had people paying off people
Speaker 5: when evidence got out, and then prosecutors can take all
Speaker 5: that information and paint a picture of an enterprise that
Speaker 5: was all set up to further Sean Colmes's freak coughs.
Speaker 2: Or proclivities sexually.
Speaker 5: So that's how it breaks down it's almost helpful to
Speaker 5: look at it like the person you're trying to convict
Speaker 5: didn't touch every element of the crime that you're trying
Speaker 5: to convict him of.
Speaker 2: So you're trying to show that he set.
Speaker 5: Up an organization all in furtherance of that criminal purpose,
Speaker 5: and when you do that, you can get him on
Speaker 5: that racketeering charge.
Speaker 1: So we've heard about him being charged, we haven't heard
Speaker 1: about anybody else being charged. Is that because they can't
Speaker 1: find these other people they can't find enough evidence against
Speaker 1: these other people, or is it because they're utilizing those
Speaker 1: people to make the case against him.
Speaker 5: I would say it's probably part of the latter, which
Speaker 5: is using people to make the case against him. I
Speaker 5: would say in some ways, they're probably speaking all these
Speaker 5: people who are involved in what they see as the enterprise.
Speaker 2: They got these people in.
Speaker 5: They try to see who could flip in different areas,
Speaker 5: and that's why in this case, everybody should be watching
Speaker 5: the witnesses that testify and look at the witnesses if
Speaker 5: they have any that relate to people who are Incomes's organization.
Speaker 5: Those are the people that you're talking about, the people
Speaker 5: that in some way might have been involved with what
Speaker 5: they're saying, is this criminal enterprise, who are in a
Speaker 5: sense flipping on Diddy. Now the other side of it
Speaker 5: is not being able to find people. I always like
Speaker 5: to say when you talk about prosecutors and government cases,
Speaker 5: the key for them is patience. They need to have
Speaker 5: evidence to win a case if they believe there's a
Speaker 5: good faced case, good faith basis in which a crime
Speaker 5: has been committed. That takes time, like even in Ditty's case,
Speaker 5: it took years to try to iron this thing out.
Speaker 5: So I think sometimes when you think of Ditty's case,
Speaker 5: you think, well, is there going to be another start
Speaker 5: coming next month or the month after. I think for
Speaker 5: them it's about let's prosecute this case and what we
Speaker 5: learn here, if we can use that for other people,
Speaker 5: we will do that. But we need to preach patience because,
Speaker 5: just like in Ditty's case, if we do not have
Speaker 5: all our ducks in a row, then you are not
Speaker 5: going to get a conviction. And if you don't get
Speaker 5: a conviction, it becomes harder to bring other cases like
Speaker 5: this where you think crimes have been committed.
Speaker 1: Any idea how long you anticipate this struggling.
Speaker 5: I think weeks, it could be anywhere from six to
Speaker 5: eight weeks, and it could be a little bit shorter.
Speaker 5: But the key is the prosecutor is going to take
Speaker 5: all the time they need to lay.
Speaker 2: Out all their evidence.
Speaker 5: I think one thing you can look for is the
Speaker 5: defense is not going to need nearly as much time
Speaker 5: as the prosecution because their idea is going to be
Speaker 5: to try to shoot down a lot of what prose
Speaker 5: what the prosecution has. But I think this is going
Speaker 5: to be a week's long trial. You are going to
Speaker 5: see a lot of evidence come out because what the
Speaker 5: prosecution has to do is, like what we talked about,
Speaker 5: taint this entire picture of an enterprise, but here the
Speaker 5: Kief Stephen, and they've got to do it in a
Speaker 5: way that makes it simple for the jury. It can't
Speaker 5: be so complicated that jurors sit back and say, I
Speaker 5: can't really get what they're trying to do here.
Speaker 2: I mean, what are you trying to say to me?
Speaker 5: What prosecutors are trying to say is here's a broad
Speaker 5: picture of an enterprise all in further int of a crime.
Speaker 5: They've got to be able to focus on that every
Speaker 5: step of the way and not make it too complicated.
Speaker 5: And for the defense, the key is going to be
Speaker 5: poke holes. They want to show a man who was
Speaker 5: maybe mean, maybe angry, maybe had unconventionable sexual proclivities. That
Speaker 5: would be their way of wanting the jury to look
Speaker 5: at it, but never force anybody to do anything.
Speaker 2: They're going to poke holes.
Speaker 5: They're going to try to knock down a lot of
Speaker 5: the witnesses by saying they willingly participated in a lot
Speaker 5: of the conduct, maybe even in some ways try to
Speaker 5: facilitate some of the conduct if Combs asked for it.
Speaker 5: And they're going to try to paint the picture of
Speaker 5: he may be a bad guy, but he's not a criminal.
Speaker 1: Last couple of questions. We know how eccentric showan P.
Speaker 1: Diddy comes was, and particularly with his wardrobe, how fly
Speaker 1: he liked to look, et cetera, et cetera. Yet he
Speaker 1: shows up the court today he's dressed down, wearing a
Speaker 1: white dress shirt, a light colored pullover in khaki pants.
Speaker 1: Is not how the public is used to seeing the
Speaker 1: music Mogul, what do you make of that?
Speaker 5: That's by designs and it's always by design. I don't
Speaker 5: want people to think that, oh he's doing that. That's
Speaker 5: not what we would see with other people. This happens
Speaker 5: in every single case. The defense is trying to humanize him,
Speaker 5: and in order to humanize him, they got to make
Speaker 5: him look like other humans. And other humans don't come
Speaker 5: in look and fly wearing ten thousand dollars watches or more.
Speaker 5: You know, other humans are wearing regular clothing, a suit,
Speaker 5: a tie, just there to be humble. And one of
Speaker 5: the pictures that the defense is trying to paint with
Speaker 5: Ditty is to say, and you saw this in Diddy's video,
Speaker 5: I know I did something wrong. I know I was
Speaker 5: not always my best, And so what they're trying to
Speaker 5: do is in his appearance, paint a man who.
Speaker 2: Is humble, who is just there.
Speaker 5: I will sit through this case, but I did not
Speaker 5: do what prosecutors said, and that's the.
Speaker 2: Image they want to show.
Speaker 5: So I think when people say, well, where's all that
Speaker 5: flyiness that we used to see him, you would never
Speaker 5: want to have that in court because that would make
Speaker 5: him look less human.
Speaker 2: To the jury.
Speaker 5: You want the jury to almost look at him and say,
Speaker 5: even though we know he's a billionaire, he's a music mogul.
Speaker 5: When I look at that man in that defense chair,
Speaker 5: he looks like a man who did the wrong thing,
Speaker 5: but isn't a criminal.
Speaker 2: That's what the defense wants to show in his appearance.
Speaker 1: The jury opted to choose the jury. The judge rather,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, opted to choose the jury today out of
Speaker 1: concern that if given the weekend to think about it,
Speaker 1: jurors may have second thoughts about serving could move on
Speaker 1: a part of the judge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, excellent move on the part of the judge. You
Speaker 5: want to get this thing underway fast. And I know
Speaker 5: a lot of people actually said to me today, wowy,
Speaker 5: just see to the jury and now we're getting going
Speaker 5: right away. That happens all the time. This is a
Speaker 5: big commitment for jurors. And I know the jurors' names
Speaker 5: won't be revealed. That's a big part of this. That's
Speaker 5: a big part of our justice system. But think of
Speaker 5: the pressure these men and women face. Think of the
Speaker 5: fact that they have to say it through six to
Speaker 5: eight weeks of a trial, pay attention to every detail
Speaker 5: of perhaps the biggest trial in the world right now.
Speaker 5: And so for them there might be feelings of I
Speaker 5: don't want to be a part of this. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go home and I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna come back. Let him say something about that.
Speaker 5: Use one of the alternates. No, this judge is looking
Speaker 5: at this saying, we have a jury, let's get this
Speaker 5: thing going. And at every stage you will see this
Speaker 5: judge trying to move this case along. If he has
Speaker 5: to stop it, he will, but his key is not
Speaker 5: to elongate it because the longer it goes, the more
Speaker 5: a chance that you might lose a juror, and that's
Speaker 5: the last thing you want. Yes, you have the alternates,
Speaker 5: but the people sitting on that jury right now, they
Speaker 5: are focused on making a decision, and you don't want
Speaker 5: to lose one of those decision makers. Bring in an
Speaker 5: AlterNet or worse, have it happen to multiple people, and
Speaker 5: then you start opening this case up to questioning. So
Speaker 5: the faster you go, the better off you are. And
Speaker 5: this judge is handling that right.
Speaker 1: Last question, we've heard nothing about character witnesses for Sean
Speaker 1: Dinny Combs A. Have you heard of any the If
Speaker 1: you haven't heard, what kind of effect could that potentially
Speaker 1: have on a case of this magnitude in sensitivity.
Speaker 5: I have not heard yet, but I think it could
Speaker 5: have a huge effect. The question is who are those
Speaker 5: witnesses and what do they say?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: If they use a character witnesses.
Speaker 5: The defense decides to go that way and use a
Speaker 5: character witness that's a member of his family. You have
Speaker 5: a jury looking at that person and you say, many
Speaker 5: juries might think well, that's self serving. You know him,
Speaker 5: you want to get him off, You're going to say
Speaker 5: nice things. Of course, the question would be do you
Speaker 5: have character witness who in some way could transcend that
Speaker 5: for curves and make them think, hey, this is somebody
Speaker 5: who I wouldn't expect to say this about him, or
Speaker 5: somebody who I believe and support everything they say. And
Speaker 5: here they are saying that, didd he is not guilty
Speaker 5: of the things that the prosecutors trying to prove here.
Speaker 5: So it's always a little bit of a risky proposition
Speaker 5: with character witnesses, because if it just seems self serving,
Speaker 5: then the jurors are starting to hear a witness after witness,
Speaker 5: especially if you have multiple.
Speaker 2: Ones, and they're saying, well, what are you doing here?
Speaker 5: You're just telling me like what I expected you to
Speaker 5: tell me, which is the great guy shouldn't be convicted.
Speaker 2: And the more you hear that, the less you believe
Speaker 2: the defense's case.
Speaker 5: So I think in many ways it's gonna be a
Speaker 5: tough road to hoe for these defense attorneys because you
Speaker 5: want somebody to bolster Diddy. But at the same time,
Speaker 5: the more you have somebody who's in his corner, the
Speaker 5: more you open yourself up to jurors saying, can I
Speaker 5: really believe these witnesses?
Speaker 1: One of the best in the business, Lee, the analysts extraordinary.
Speaker 1: Ryan Smith right here with Steven A. Smith and Steven
Speaker 1: Nis Smith Shaw. Appreciate you, buddy, man, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You know I'm gonna call you back because I want
Speaker 1: to hear more of what you have to say as
Speaker 1: you continue to monitor this trial. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Anytime, man, I'll hop my island go.
Speaker 1: Right coming up, the White House, de escalates the trade
Speaker 1: war with China, and could aoc as An Alexandria Ocasio
Speaker 1: Cortez be the next Democratic nominee for president. I'll get
Speaker 1: into all of that tough neck right here, Steve Wismer,
Speaker 1: show you don't go away. Welcome back to Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smithshel Now let's get to Washington. In an early look
Speaker 1: at the race for the White House in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: According to The Wall Street Journal, sources close to AOC
Speaker 1: say she isn't ruling out the possibility of a president
Speaker 1: you run. The Democrats suffered major losses in the November election,
Speaker 1: as everybody in their grandmama knows, and the party is
Speaker 1: frankly struggling to find a strategy to take on President
Speaker 1: Trump and his policies. AOC, who is thirty five years
Speaker 1: of age, has emerged as a leading voice for Democrats,
Speaker 1: but some within the party are concerned she'll turn off
Speaker 1: centrist voters who are needed in the swing states that
Speaker 1: Trump swept in November. For the record, they are absolutely right,
Speaker 1: she will turn off centrist I am not casting any
Speaker 1: aspersions on this young lady. I think that if you
Speaker 1: are a Democrat, if you are a leftist who rails
Speaker 1: against the system, who believes that free market capitalism headed
Speaker 1: by billionaires is not the way to go, if you
Speaker 1: believe that not enough attention is being paid attention to
Speaker 1: the desolate and disenfranchised, if you believe that higher taxes
Speaker 1: is the way to go, that a focus shouldn't be
Speaker 1: on securing the borders. If you believe those kind of things,
Speaker 1: and that's where you stand ideologically, AOC is your candidate,
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Here's what I will say to you.
Speaker 1: I have no questions about her heart and the place
Speaker 1: that it is in. I think that anyone that she
Speaker 1: represents knows that she's a fighter. She's a fighter for
Speaker 1: them poverished. She's a fighter for urban America. She's a
Speaker 1: fighter for union workers and things of that nature. I
Speaker 1: get that part. I'm just talking about whether or not
Speaker 1: it's a winning strategy. Most people in the country are centrist,
Speaker 1: their moderates, whether they're Republican moderates or Democratic nominates or moderates,
Speaker 1: or just flat out centrist to our independence. That's most
Speaker 1: of the American population. They are not Magarite, and they
Speaker 1: are not progressive left. She clearly is, and not to
Speaker 1: be literal, not to be taken literally, but she gives
Speaker 1: the impression that when you talk about universal health care,
Speaker 1: and you talk about other things, if it equated to
Speaker 1: taxing Americans seventy percent of their income, she wouldn't be
Speaker 1: against it. That ain't gonna win you elections. That's not
Speaker 1: gonna win you elections. If you're living in this day
Speaker 1: and age and you're talking about fighting for certain rights
Speaker 1: is in particular as it pertains to transgender individuals, athletes transitioning,
Speaker 1: and men competing in women's sports and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: which she's not about to speak against. If you think
Speaker 1: that's gonna win you an election, you've got your head
Speaker 1: in the sand. See. The real issue that I'm having
Speaker 1: right now with the Democratic Party is I'm waiting to
Speaker 1: hear what your plan is. It can't be we're just
Speaker 1: against all things Trump. What's your plan? What's your plan
Speaker 1: for the economy? What's your plan as it pertains to
Speaker 1: comprehensive immigration reform? What is your plan when it comes
Speaker 1: to foreign affairs? What is your plan as it pertains
Speaker 1: the Israeli Palestinian conflict or should I say Israel with Hamas?
Speaker 1: What is your plan with Russia and Ukraine? Is it
Speaker 1: just giving Ukraine more money like Bidom was willing to do?
Speaker 1: What are your plans? We got to pay attention to
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. Jobs in America, recidivism in our jails,
Speaker 1: all of these things. What's the plan? What's the plan
Speaker 1: as it pertains to the vast majority of Americans in
Speaker 1: this country? What is your plan? I don't have one yet.
Speaker 1: That's why I keep telling y'all if I ever run
Speaker 1: for the presidency, Oh trust me, that's not a decision
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make for years, for at least the next
Speaker 1: two years, and I sincerely hope that it's not me.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of people that look at Wes Moore,
Speaker 1: the governor of Maryland. They look at Joshapiro, the governor
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania. That look at Gavin Newsom, the governor of California,
Speaker 1: that looks at Andrew Cormo, the former governor of New York,
Speaker 1: New York State, who's now running for mayor of the
Speaker 1: City of New York. The key operative word and all
Speaker 1: of that is governor, meaning you ran a state, as
Speaker 1: opposed to being one of four hundred and thirty five
Speaker 1: representatives whistling into the wind about what you think is
Speaker 1: wrong with this country. It'll equipped to do something about
Speaker 1: it because you're relatively limited, because you're only one voice
Speaker 1: of many, as at four hundred and thirty five. You
Speaker 1: got people talking about how she should run for a
Speaker 1: Senate seat. That's true. Maybe she's just supplant Senator Chuck Schumer,
Speaker 1: who's been there for ages and people have been critical
Speaker 1: against because he sided with the Republicans a month ago
Speaker 1: instead of the Democrats. Either way you slice it, here's
Speaker 1: the point. Are you really just talking and railing against
Speaker 1: the establishment. Are you railing against the new establishment that
Speaker 1: is the MAGA wright led by Trump, or are you
Speaker 1: strategizing as it pertains to what's going to work. I
Speaker 1: saw her go on tour with Bernie Sanders. Okay, if
Speaker 1: that man mentions the word oligark one more time, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lose my mind. He's been saying this since nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty three. Haven't you noticed that folks ain't buying that.
Speaker 1: Right now, you're having these rallies, flying on jets and
Speaker 1: doing all of these things, which is basically the same
Speaker 1: kind of thing you've been complaining about. Where's the consistency,
Speaker 1: where's the abbosens of hypocrisy? These are the kind of
Speaker 1: questions people are going to ask. Do you have the
Speaker 1: answer to that other than railing against the establishment. I've
Speaker 1: listened to Jasmine Crockett. Both AOC and Jasmin Crockett are
Speaker 1: welcomed on this show. I respect the hell out of
Speaker 1: both of them. I'm not here to disrespect anybody. I'm
Speaker 1: only talking about what strategy is going to work. When
Speaker 1: I hear Jasmine Crockett talking about how I'm just against
Speaker 1: all things and everything Trump, is that legislating. Isn't it
Speaker 1: an obligation that you have to come up with something
Speaker 1: if the other party is in office. You have to
Speaker 1: go from thinking that you're going to get what you
Speaker 1: want if your party was in a White House and
Speaker 1: instead transitioning to how can I work with the other
Speaker 1: party to get some of what I want because I
Speaker 1: know I'm not going to get most of what I
Speaker 1: want because they won the election. How do we notice
Speaker 1: that was Obama's approach when he beat Senator John McCain
Speaker 1: for the presidency in two thousand and eight. That's what
Speaker 1: he said, I won, we won, It's our turn. I
Speaker 1: remember Mitch McConnell, the senator, the Republican senator, speak of
Speaker 1: the ouse. I'm sorry, speak of the Senate. I remember
Speaker 1: what Mitch McConnell said at that time. My goal is
Speaker 1: to make Obama one term president. That's not somebody that
Speaker 1: was willing to work across the aisle. I'll get that.
Speaker 1: But it compromised the White House because ultimately the kind
Speaker 1: of power that they had in having a House the
Speaker 1: Senate and the White House was lost a couple of
Speaker 1: years later. With what alc is doing, with what Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders is doing, and with what Jasmine Crockett is doing,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going to win you back
Speaker 1: one of the Houses of Congress come twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: It is your strategy, That's all I'm asking is a
Speaker 1: question for Democrats everywhere, because if you don't come up
Speaker 1: with an answer soon, Trump and his peeps are gonna
Speaker 1: answer it for you, and they're gonna win the mid
Speaker 1: terms in twenty twenty six, and then you'll really be
Speaker 1: of shit's creek. Now, let's get to the White House
Speaker 1: and the ladies. On the trade wars with China. The
Speaker 1: White House touted a quote quote China trade deal on Sunday,
Speaker 1: and the President spoke on it today. The announcement comes
Speaker 1: after two top US officials alluded to a potential agreement
Speaker 1: yesterday with China following talks in Switzerland. What we know
Speaker 1: is that the US and China agreed to drastically roll
Speaker 1: back tariffs on each other's goods for an initial ninety days.
Speaker 1: The move de escalates the trade war and sparks increases
Speaker 1: in the global markets. Which rallied today. By May fourteenth,
Speaker 1: the US will temporarily lower its overall terroriffs on Chinese
Speaker 1: goods from one hundred and forty five percent to thirty percent,
Speaker 1: while China will cut its levees on American imports from
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five percent to ten percent. That's
Speaker 1: an accomplishment, ladies and gentlemen. You know why, Because the
Speaker 1: Dow increased by one thousand, forty four points and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, all of this noise about how our
Speaker 1: four one k's have been lost and our iras have
Speaker 1: been compromised, and all of this stuff going on in
Speaker 1: the stockwalket that's compromised, American lives and social security is
Speaker 1: in jeopardy, and all of this other stuff. I got
Speaker 1: news for you. This ninety day reprieve forced the markets
Speaker 1: to react in a positive way. If a deal is
Speaker 1: struck within ninety days, and if it is a deal
Speaker 1: deemed successful by the Trump administration. Remember what I just
Speaker 1: said about AOC Jasmine Crockett, Bernie Sanders, et cetera. Toast
Speaker 1: Democrats will lose the mid terms if Trump finds a
Speaker 1: way to win this terriff war. And make no mistake,
Speaker 1: this is where the war was. All of this stuff
Speaker 1: where he's tagged throwing terrorists at everybody else that was
Speaker 1: smoke screen. The target was China, third largest economy in
Speaker 1: the world. Target was China, the third largest trade apartment.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's what happened. If this is ultimately deemed
Speaker 1: a success by the Trump administration, the GOP will win
Speaker 1: the midterms. And you think this perceived power on the right, now,
Speaker 1: imagine how it will be then. So somewhere along the way,
Speaker 1: as Democrats plot and they're willing to point to everything
Speaker 1: about Trump about a tar you know, giving you know,
Speaker 1: you know, assistant and getting a new plan, new Air
Speaker 1: Force one, and you know what what Howards Trump and
Speaker 1: his family business padding their own wilence and all of
Speaker 1: this other stuff that everybody wants to bring up America
Speaker 1: has deduced it to such a degree. I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: it very simple for you. When it comes to the
Speaker 1: political landscape and the apparatus that runs our country, we assume,
Speaker 1: in some way or another, all of y'all are getting paid.
Speaker 1: We don't assume for one second that you're just doing
Speaker 1: it for the good of the country without doing it
Speaker 1: for the good of yourself. We believe there's something in
Speaker 1: it for every elected official. Does it make it corrupt,
Speaker 1: does it make it illegal. We're just saying that there's
Speaker 1: something in it for each and every single one of you.
Speaker 1: So with Trump willing to get his along the way,
Speaker 1: whether it's directly or via his son's running his family business,
Speaker 1: or whatever of the method he chooses to use, it's
Speaker 1: not a surprise. It's not something that throws us aback.
Speaker 1: What we really really care about in the end is
Speaker 1: whether or not something is best for America, and there's
Speaker 1: substantial evidence that proves it, not just slip service, not
Speaker 1: just pledges, not just guarantees, but actual acts in writing
Speaker 1: that shows the nation stood to benefit. If that happens,
Speaker 1: the GOP wins the midterms, and a Democratic Party as
Speaker 1: we know it will be eviscerated, because it would be
Speaker 1: the latest nugget of evidence that the American citizen has
Speaker 1: completely lost faith in the Left, even when they believe
Speaker 1: in the moral message that is spewed, because we've lost
Speaker 1: faith in your ability to execute. Just because somebody is
Speaker 1: in office that you do not like, that you do
Speaker 1: not agree with, doesn't absolve you from the obligation to
Speaker 1: do your job, which is working across the aisle when
Speaker 1: necessary to get at least some things done on behalf
Speaker 1: of your constituency. That's your job. And to just be
Speaker 1: going after the president because you don't like him and
Speaker 1: you want to call him every reprehensible name under the
Speaker 1: sun to decry his leadership and that of his administration.
Speaker 1: You might think that's doing your job. It's not. There
Speaker 1: are plenty of people we work with that we don't
Speaker 1: like every single day. But when it comes to getting
Speaker 1: it done, whatever it takes to get as much for
Speaker 1: your base your constituents is what you're supposed to be doing,
Speaker 1: as opposed to having built in excuses about your disdain
Speaker 1: for somebody else as to why you can't get it done.
Speaker 1: That is not what's supposed to be happening, and the
Speaker 1: Democrats would be very very smart to recognize that. Again,
Speaker 1: I've had a slew of Republicans on this show. I've
Speaker 1: had a whole bunch of Democrats as well. They are
Speaker 1: all welcome on this show. That includes AOC, that includes
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, that includes Bernie Sanders, that includes any of them.
Speaker 1: The goal is to help America be the very best
Speaker 1: it can be and that all of us get served
Speaker 1: advantageously in some way, shape or form or fashion. That's
Speaker 1: the goal. You can't pull that off by just screaming
Speaker 1: about how the other side is awful and having people
Speaker 1: in the crowds echoing your sentiments. That doesn't get policy
Speaker 1: on the table. It doesn't get things done. It only
Speaker 1: provides rationale as to why they didn't get done, which
Speaker 1: people have grown tired of a long time ago. That's
Speaker 1: it for this addition to Stephen Smith Show. I gotta
Speaker 1: get on out of here because I got a knixt
Speaker 1: game to cover the night and Madison's square guarden against
Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics. But I'll be back in a couple
Speaker 1: of days. Hope y'all enjoyed the show. Thanks again to
Speaker 1: Ryan Smith, Legal Landla is extraorden there for ABC News
Speaker 1: as well as the Sports and an anchor for ESPN
Speaker 1: for coming on the show, blessing us with his presence
Speaker 1: and his knowledge. Always appreciate him. And I'm in a
Speaker 1: good mood, so I'll even take a moment to thank
Speaker 1: my nephew Josh, who is gonna bun rush me and
Speaker 1: follow me the Madison square guard and so he getting
Speaker 1: the damned building, all of this stuff I have to
Speaker 1: deal with, but I'm in a good mood, so I'll
Speaker 1: tolerated today until next time. Ladies and gentlemen, Stephen, They
Speaker 1: signing off, see you in a couple of days. Peace
Speaker 1: of love,