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Speaker 1: We have to make the business case, Bishop Jakes. We

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Speaker 1: What I've explained to my members is NMSDC is not

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Speaker 3: This is an imperative. Right.

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Speaker 1: It makes us competitive against our enemies. It makes us

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Speaker 3: Our markets haven't caught up with our demographics.

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Speaker 2: Relationships are greatest resource. Yes, It's not what you know,

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Speaker 2: on your telephone. Yes, you don't have to have a

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Speaker 2: lot of equipment to get started. And so I get

440
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Speaker 2: excited when.

441
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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: That is why technology we have to use it for good.

443
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Speaker 1: NMSDC and organizations like this. We have to be known

444
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Speaker 1: as a technology organization ravens connect me to ye, I

445
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Speaker 1: can do it.

446
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Speaker 2: We a good sol. One of the things we started

447
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: to do was to set up courses for AI so

448
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: we would demystify, yes, understanding of artificial intelligence, understand how

449
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: to make your own commercials, your own opportunities. You don't

450
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 2: necessarily need a graphic cardist anymore. It can be you

451
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: can tell AI, I need you to service us as

452
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Speaker 2: an advisor for this type of company, for this demographic

453
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Speaker 2: in order to do this or that or the other,

454
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Speaker 2: and he can come up with a business plan for you.

455
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Speaker 2: It can save you dollars, it can save you time,

456
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 2: it can save you money. And a lot of us

457
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 2: are just using it like it's Wikipedia. Yes, okay, and

458
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Speaker 2: that's great. That's great, great, right, that's great. But let's

459
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Speaker 2: not stop there.

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Speaker 3: I agree, Bishop, and I use it and it's making

461
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Speaker 3: my work.

462
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Speaker 1: I'm able to do sometimes twice what I need to do,

463
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Speaker 1: whether it's responding to emails or a quickly you know,

464
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Speaker 1: dictating now. But as you know, the AI is only

465
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Speaker 1: as good as what you put in it, right, and

466
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,239
Speaker 1: so it still will take a good education, it will

467
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: still take good relationships, but it can absolutely be that

468
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Speaker 1: supplement that you need, the compliment that you need to

469
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Speaker 1: do business. I want NMSDC to be that, Bishop Jakes,

470
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Speaker 1: as we move forward. We're fifty three years young as

471
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Speaker 1: an organization. When we created our civil rights organization, Bishop Jakes,

472
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: we created them with the idea that you'd hope someday

473
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't need them. You hope someday we all can vote.

474
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Speaker 1: You hope someday that we all have an opportunity to

475
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Speaker 1: access to healthcare. NMSDC is different. I believe that NMSDC

476
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Speaker 1: was created for the future to grow. The country will

477
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Speaker 1: only become more diverse. Supply chains are more important now

478
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: than ever. People want to buy and sell things at

479
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: the speed of contract. Nmsdc's future should be bright. We

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Speaker 1: should be working ourselves into a broader market. More people

481
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Speaker 1: sho should hear about the work that we're doing. You

482
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Speaker 1: ask me what I want to do differently, That's what

483
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Speaker 1: I want to do differently. I want us to become

484
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Speaker 1: more than just an idea because of a tragedy. I

485
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Speaker 1: want us to become a business imperative. A supply chain

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Speaker 1: that is diverse is more resilient. Big business makes money,

487
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: the small business makes money. They hire people from their communities.

488
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: The schools get better, the roads get better, the GDP grows,

489
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Speaker 1: We become more competitive against our enemies, our competitors worldwide.

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Speaker 3: We're stronger America with a diverse supply chain.

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Speaker 2: Our theme that tdj's enterprises this year is proximity. How

492
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Speaker 2: do people get closer proximity to the vision that you

493
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Speaker 2: have and the relationships you have and the things that

494
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Speaker 2: you're doing for.

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Speaker 1: The corporates in this country. I need them to come

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Speaker 1: back to NMSDC. They created the organization, and I need

497
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Speaker 1: my corporates to come back and work with us, Bishop

498
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Speaker 1: on what you brought up the business case. The return

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Speaker 1: on investment for corporate America has got to be when

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Speaker 1: we do business with mbs and small businesses and veteranned

501
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Speaker 1: businesses is good for the country. We're going to help

502
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Speaker 1: them build that. So we need those people to come back.

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Speaker 1: I need the MBS, the minority entrepreneurs. You've got forty

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Speaker 1: thousand of them or so. I want them to consider

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Speaker 1: becoming certified with MSDC. What our database shows me, Bishop,

506
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Speaker 1: is that our businesses, even when minority businesses as a

507
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Speaker 1: whole do good, our businesses do great when the economy changes,

508
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: and minority businesses are struggling. Our businesses are struggling less

509
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: because the network keeps them, keeps them together. And so

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Speaker 1: what I would want ask folks to do is to

511
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Speaker 1: look at NMSDC as that compliment, as that organization that

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Speaker 1: can build your network, that can do many of the

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Speaker 1: things you just said people need.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you think about that, getting the attention

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Speaker 2: of the business owners I have found to be somewhat

516
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Speaker 2: easier than getting the attention of the people who needed. Yes,

517
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: I was shocked to find that out. I thought I

518
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: would have the hard time in the corporate office a lot,

519
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: and I've had some fights and struggles, But a lot

520
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: of the people in corporate office are looking for a

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Speaker 2: way to help. When they do come up with the

522
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Speaker 2: program networks, they don't know how to get in contact

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Speaker 2: with the people that needed. And I was telling one

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Speaker 2: person who had said that he could find the right

525
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Speaker 2: person to fill a job. I said, they're in my choir,

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Speaker 2: the board, they're walking up down the street, they're playing

527
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Speaker 2: basketball at the court. We have people who have good educations.

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Speaker 2: This generation is the most educated generation we have had

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Speaker 2: in our history. Yes, we just need to be able

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Speaker 2: to make contact, to be a bridge, yes, to connect

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Speaker 2: supply with demand, which is what business is all about.

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Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. And we have to get

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Speaker 3: people grace. You at a great point.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we think when people say I can't find it's

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Speaker 1: an excuse.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes people don't know how to find.

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00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Our job is to be that bridge, is to get

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Speaker 1: people some grace and to say it's okay, let me

541
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Speaker 1: help you. But they're out there, yes, And the story

542
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: has got to be they're out there, our minority entrepreneurs.

543
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Speaker 1: They have scale, they have capacity, they have ability.

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Speaker 3: They are out there.

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Speaker 1: The days in nineteen seventy two where we were created

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Speaker 1: to develop them because maybe they didn't exist.

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Speaker 3: Jakes, those days are over.

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Speaker 2: Those days are over.

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Speaker 1: They are minority businesses in this country who are big businesses.

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Speaker 2: Our problems today is that we live in silos.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, all the technology and the communication, you

552
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Speaker 1: think we'd be more connected.

553
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: In some ways, we're more isolated.

554
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Speaker 2: You you go through somebody's phone. All the doctors have

555
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: doctors in there, All the preachers have preachers in there.

556
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: We hang out with people who are already fishing and

557
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: the people who are not fishing or hanging out with

558
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Speaker 2: the people who don't fish. If you hang out with

559
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: nine people who are broke, you're going to be the

560
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Speaker 2: tenth one. You know inevitably it's going to happen to you.

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Speaker 2: It's contagious. Success is contagious. If you get around people

562
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Speaker 2: who are investing, who are into stocks, who are putting

563
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: money into the money markets, you gather the language, You

564
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Speaker 2: learn the language. I used to live in Mexico and

565
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Speaker 2: I never took a Spanish class in my life. But

566
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Speaker 2: being around people who you impressed in it, you are

567
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Speaker 2: immersing it, you learn it. It's contagious. Success is contagious,

568
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: and you have to get around it. And somebody saying,

569
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Speaker 2: how do you get around them? I don't get invited

570
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Speaker 2: to the media. Go places you've never gone before, or

571
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: do things you've never done before. Go to the plague,

572
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Speaker 2: go to the concert, go to the ballet, go to

573
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Speaker 2: different places and interact with people and walk up to

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Speaker 2: them and talk. They don't buy. They don't buy people.

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Speaker 2: They're people just like I s. They got problems, just

576
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Speaker 2: like you do. They're not perfect just because they have money.

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Speaker 2: We tend to think that if people have money, they

578
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Speaker 2: have no problems. They have problems like anybody else.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes problems, Yeah, a lot of money problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what we gotta come back and do

581
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Speaker 2: a show on that. Just talk about that altogether. There're

582
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Speaker 2: kinds of problems that you can't pick up the phone

583
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: and easily get worked out. But those kinds of problems

584
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Speaker 2: also create a gratification that only comes through really helping people.

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Speaker 2: You won't have a customer if we lose our middle class.

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Speaker 2: You can make all the product you want, but nobody's

587
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: going to buy. Rich people aren't going to buy it.

588
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: They already got it. The middle class people are your consumer.

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Speaker 2: You have to make sure that they're stable. Anytime the

590
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Speaker 2: middle class is stable, the country is stable and we

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Speaker 2: do much better.

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Speaker 4: There is a moment every founder knows you're close, close

593
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Speaker 4: to capital, close to opportunity.

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Speaker 2: But closeness isn't the same as change.

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00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: We've all been near something that never quite touched us

596
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: in the room but unseen, adjacent but not aligned.

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Speaker 2: That's where proximity begins.

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Speaker 4: But proximity alone isn't the promise.

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Speaker 3: It's the invitation.

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Speaker 4: The difference between being close and being changed is what

601
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Speaker 4: we call x the variable, the thing you have to

602
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 4: solve for it's what you bring into the room and

603
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: the room finally opens. At good Soul Form, we don't

604
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: just put you near opportunity. We help you uncover the

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Speaker 4: X factor that turns proximity into moment because proximity creates

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Speaker 4: the conditions, the X determines the.

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Speaker 1: Alcohome register now at Goodsoilforum dot com. Bishop Jakes, on

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Speaker 1: all of my emails, I have my little tagline says

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Speaker 1: to my members, my corporate members, you must do business

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Speaker 1: with the people who come from the communities you want

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Speaker 1: to sell your goods in. Absolutely, and so if you're

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00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: a big retail store, it's not just enough to sell

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Speaker 1: your stuff in the community. Do business with that community.

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Speaker 1: It's smart. It's not a it's not a social experiment.

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00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: It's good business. It's good business.

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Speaker 1: And so you asked the first question of Bishop Jackson

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Speaker 1: about how do we stop these things from just being

618
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: up and down starts and stops. We've got to make

619
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Speaker 1: the business case. When Richard Nixon and the brothers and

620
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: sisters who created NMSDC created it, they didn't create it.

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Speaker 3: As a social program.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to say that it was not created

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Speaker 1: as a as a as a government social program created

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Speaker 1: as a business program. We've got to bring it back

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Speaker 1: to business, Bishop, and we've got to make a business case.

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Speaker 1: Money talks, and we understand that if we can have

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Speaker 1: the strong ecosystem, the country is going to be a

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Speaker 1: stronger nation as a result. So not a social experiment,

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Speaker 1: not a feel good program. This is about business, right right, absolutely,

630
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Speaker 1: by Bishop, about business absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And if somebody's listening at us right now and you're

632
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Speaker 2: a little bit timid about coming into settings that you're

633
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Speaker 2: unfamiliar with, come in with us, Come in with somebody

634
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: that we have on our team that can help you

635
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: to translate in the language, to make you more comfortable,

636
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Speaker 2: to be a bridge, because we have to make America work. Yes,

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00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: And in order to make America work, it's got to

638
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Speaker 2: be a unity that we don't have. We are the

639
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Speaker 2: United States of America. We're not very united right now, okay,

640
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Speaker 2: But the hope, the dream of the founding fathers, with

641
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: all of their faults and flaws, was still to have

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Speaker 2: a United States of America. And we need that. Chapter

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Speaker 2: number four building relationships. I wanted to ask you this,

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Speaker 2: do you think that supplier diversity is a good business strategy?

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Speaker 1: And if so, why absolutely, And we've talked about it.

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00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: It's an imperative business strategy, and we talked about it.

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Speaker 3: If you remember Vision when we were.

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Speaker 1: Talking about the pandemic, I think is the best example

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Speaker 1: of it. Those companies who made supplier diversity and imperative

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Speaker 1: a business practice, survived, were stronger, made money during the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: Those companies that up.

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Speaker 1: And down it sounds good depending on who the CEO is,

653
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Speaker 1: found themselves in trouble when supply chains crumbled or closed

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Speaker 1: and they did not could not rely on a local business.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't rely on a small business to deliver the

656
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Speaker 1: same products and services. And so it is absolutely it's

657
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Speaker 1: the business case. It's an imperative. It's not just an initiative.

658
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: It's not a feel good thing. Feel good things come

659
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: and go, social programs come and go. Business is business

660
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: is business, and that is the case we you must

661
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: continue to make. It's the return on investment. It's the

662
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: way you get around the foolishness around d E and

663
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Speaker 1: I and the confusion around this is about business right right.

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Speaker 2: I would make an appeal for content creation to be

665
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Speaker 2: able to develop. Never in the history of this country

666
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: have we had the ability to produce content on our

667
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 2: own that made people know who we were and where

668
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: we were. You got social media, you got Facebook, you

669
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: got Instagram, you got Twitter, you got all those ways.

670
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 2: Rather than just sitting at home scrolling and consuming content,

671
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: create content. Uh, the noisy wheel gets the oil. So

672
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: we have to begin to think in terms of and

673
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: while we have all of these different instruments in marketing,

674
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: it is also more difficult. We used to have three

675
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: television spaces, right, you got three televisions. It was good

676
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: to go. You know, you were fitting with drive time,

677
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 2: you talk to everybody. Now you've got satellite radio, you've

678
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: got television, you've got satellite TV, you've got streaming, you've

679
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: got you this wonderful podcast, you got this podcast. Yeah,

680
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 2: you've got all of these different ways, and you got

681
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: to hit them all. Yes, because the person who watches

682
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: the podcast is not necessarily the person who reads the

683
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 2: book is not necessarily the person who reads the paper.

684
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: The CEO is reading the morning paper, not the gull

685
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 2: on the street. And you've got to understand each market

686
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: and who reaches that market and spend those dollars in

687
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: the place that it's allocated to reach the audience that

688
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: you want to touch.

689
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Speaker 3: Visop.

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Speaker 1: I always say entrepreneurship is like evangelism. You must spread

691
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: it and you have to spread it everywhere because you

692
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: you have to reach people to do it. And many

693
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs have their heads down trying to do the books

694
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: and the chicken as you're saying, right, and you have

695
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: to go. We have to What I love about your program,

696
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: Bishop Jakes, about good soils.

697
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: You're reaching to people. Yes, you're reaching out to people.

698
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: We're hoping we can partner with you in doing that

699
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: to bring people to the fold.

700
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: Many people don't know where to go.

701
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Many people are just raising a family and trying to

702
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: start a business like our parents do. Right, we have

703
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: to go find those people. We have to go spread

704
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: the good news of entrepreneurship to them the American Dream, Bishop,

705
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Minority businesses have been doing this for two hundred and

706
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: fifty years. Right as America celebrates its birthday this year,

707
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: it's two hundred and fiftieth birthday in we're going to

708
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: make sure that the story of the MBS, the minority

709
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs who are part of that history too, their stories

710
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: are being told. And more importantly, how do we build

711
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: for the next two hundred and fifty years.

712
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: We set up good so HQ and you can you

713
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: can pull it down now for free, so that you

714
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: would have no restrictions. It's worth way more, but so

715
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: that you would have no restrictions from interacting with people

716
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: who think like you, who are having the same challenges

717
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: that you are, or to make contact with suppliers that

718
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: you otherwise would not be able to meet. Yes, and

719
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: doing that creates a play. Used to be you had

720
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Speaker 2: to get on a plane and fly to a conference,

721
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: and that's still good too. Yes, but for those that

722
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: don't have time or means to be able to do that,

723
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: you can meet on the phone. Yes, you can make

724
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Speaker 2: connections and build bridges and do what we're doing right now.

725
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Speaker 2: You know, there are a lot of people that could

726
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Speaker 2: not afford or get your time to come speak, but

727
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: they get to hear you speak in the setting like

728
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 2: this and they walk away with that kind of information.

729
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: That's priceless.

730
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Speaker 3: It's priceless.

731
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Speaker 2: It's priceless, Man Bisch, I want to.

732
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Speaker 1: Talk to you about some opportunities we told We've been

733
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: talking a lot about private sector opportunities, people doing work

734
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: with other companies. Right there's still opportunities out there to

735
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: do work with governments. Yes, and the NMSDC certification in

736
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: many states is recognized even in the government sector. Now

737
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk right now on the national

738
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Speaker 1: federal level about the eight A program and is the

739
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: government going to do away? But as you know, our

740
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: states have to buy goods and services, Our counties have

741
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: to buy goods and services, cities have to buy goods

742
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: and services. And let me say this, because I want

743
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: my Louisiana people able.

744
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Speaker 3: To perishes, our parishes have the body.

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00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta do that in in my mom and

746
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: I still want to go eat some gumbore.

747
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

748
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: But there's opportunities at those levels too for that small

749
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: entrepreneur who maybe can't do the work with a big

750
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: corporation yet, right, they.

751
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Speaker 3: Might be able to do something with the local city.

752
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely, relationships matter, right, the ability to do it matter.

753
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: But I don't want to I don't want to neglect

754
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do government work. A lot of our

755
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: mbes got their starts as government contractors, got experience, learned

756
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: how to do things, and then we're able to go

757
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: do some of.

758
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 2: That, which means we have to hold our elected officients accountable, Yes, sir,

759
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: it's not. You can't just come back once every four

760
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: years for election. We have to hold them accountable and

761
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: build relationships with them. And we need relationships with bankers. Yes,

762
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: well we have the kind of relationship. I'm just big

763
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: on relationships. If you build relationships and don't wait till

764
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: you need something to start building it, absolutely you know,

765
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Speaker 2: and then hope you accountable, be involved with them. Listen

766
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Speaker 2: to what they're saying. Don't just blaze over top of

767
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: what they're saying. What are you planning to do about this?

768
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: How many contracts are going to this, how many people

769
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: are getting these opportunities? Those kind of questions. We don't

770
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: know the answer right now when you.

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Speaker 1: Hit the nail on the head, because as you know,

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Speaker 1: some states, and some states that are close to both

773
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Speaker 1: of us, have done away with minority business set aside

774
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: right in selling it in a way as if it

775
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: was a handout program, right which it was never a

776
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Speaker 1: handout program.

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Speaker 3: And what we know, Bishop.

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Speaker 1: Jacks, is that if these states one don't require at

779
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: least a look at it minority business is what happens

780
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: is those minority businesses never get a fair chance to

781
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Speaker 1: be looked at, and more importantly, Bishop Jacks, these states

782
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: are so diverse, right that if we don't involve minority businesses,

783
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: we won't be able to meet the work.

784
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Speaker 2: I think that's why they're rethinking D and I because

785
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: they jumped out there and made some decisions real quickly.

786
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: You can't have an office that's not diverse and have

787
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: everybody walking down the street he passes that is diverse.

788
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Speaker 2: We're in the nation's capital. It's one of the most

789
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: diverse places you've ever been. You walked two blocks, you

790
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: hear somebody speaking French, somebody speaking Spanish, somebody speaking Italian.

791
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: There's a congo from legos from everywhere. So understanding that

792
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: diversity is what makes us unique and makes us.

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Speaker 3: Special, superpower of America.

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Speaker 2: You can't have that all the way up to the

795
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Speaker 2: door of the store and get in the store and stop. Frankly,

796
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: if you check the stats on it, they're not enough

797
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: white men being born to hold the jobs for the future.

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Speaker 3: Our markets have not caught up with the demographics of

799
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: this nation.

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00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: That's a nice way, like I got You're making.

801
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: The point is just good common sense, right, is the

802
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: common sense our grandparents taught.

803
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: At our age. That means choosing the physician that's going

804
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: to take care of you in your senior year. Yes,

805
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: that means choosing the right person that's going to do

806
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: your surgery, that's gonna do your health care, that's going

807
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: to take care of your mother, gonna take care of you.

808
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: We have an opportunity if we create the chances and

809
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: opportunities for them to get the experiences at the time

810
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Speaker 2: that we need their services the most, they'll be prepared

811
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Speaker 2: to do that. So it's not just economics. It may

812
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: be your life may depend on diversity. If you have

813
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: an accident and the EMT comes along, you don't care

814
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: what color he is. You want him to get you

815
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: off the side of the road. You're next stuck in

816
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: the windshield, you don't care who pulls it out. We've

817
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: got to learn to think differently and not so myopically

818
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: about what we want and what we need as a society.

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Speaker 2: Chapter number five were Better Together.

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Speaker 3: You talk about age. Bishop Jake's one issue I.

821
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Speaker 1: I'd love to talk to you about is as we

822
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: are getting older, many of our minority businesses, and we

823
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: see this in the NMSDC network are owned and operated

824
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: by people who are of age because they worked hard

825
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: for decades to build their business. Those folks want to

826
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Speaker 1: retire right and they don't have a succession plan, a

827
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Speaker 1: succession plan, and so how do we also educate our

828
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: Baby Boom generation and even my generation generation next as

829
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: we're getting older.

830
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Speaker 3: How do we build.

831
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Speaker 1: A succession plan that allows us to keep these businesses

832
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Speaker 1: either as a minority businesses or if you're going to

833
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: sell the business to make a profit.

834
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Speaker 3: How do we how do we keep our generational wealth.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that we failed to

836
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Speaker 2: do is include them in the business while we're going Yeah,

837
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: I think they have to be organic. When you look

838
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: at our Jewish brothers and they're they're they're bagging up

839
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: the groceries, they're bagging up the dresses, they're doing the

840
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: wrapping at Christmas time. They're doing different things to where

841
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: they feel a part and feel connected and carving out

842
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: a spot where that person knows that their gift fits

843
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: within the overall dream that you have business. It's their

844
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: business too, it's their business to My father made sure

845
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: I did.

846
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: I sold insurance with my father, but not everyone has

847
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: done that. And we in the African American munion, I

848
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: think We sometimes think coming of age is not doing

849
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: what I did. You go do something different. Look and

850
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: we look down. We don't even want our kids and

851
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: we don't see that. It's generational wealth. You can keep

852
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: the wealth going and then you can go do what

853
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: it is that you want to do because you have

854
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: wealth to do those things right.

855
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: And they're going to do their own spin on it.

856
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: They're going to do it. They're going to do it

857
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: and uh. And they're going to meet people along the way. Yes,

858
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: they're going to make friends along the way. They're not

859
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: going to be hanging out on the block just just

860
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: looking crazy. They're gonna they're gonna unite with people who

861
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: have something on their mind.

862
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: Yes, we can't always seem like we're starting over again.

863
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of our African American community

864
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: we always seem like we're starting over again rather than,

865
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Speaker 1: as you said, like some of our other brothers and sisters,

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Speaker 1: as a continue one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we've got to be able to do that.

868
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Speaker 1: I am worried, Bishop jakeson if we don't do something

869
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: with some of these business it's successful minority businesses, and

870
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: there's a plan for the next generation. We're going to

871
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: lose a lot of wealth in our community that we

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00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: work very hard to build.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are listening to us talk about

874
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: business and they think that we're just talking about capitalism.

875
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: But if you're going to help unwed mothers, if you're

876
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: going to help senior citizens, if you're going to help

877
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: homeless people, yes, if you're going to do anything to

878
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: help anybody in need, you're going to need a certain

879
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: business acumen in order to be able to function. If

880
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: you're going to pass your church, you have to have

881
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 2: more than theology. Yes, you go down to the bank

882
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: with theology and talk about eschatology and pneumatology, they're not

883
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: going to get it from that. You have to be

884
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: able to have a certain business acumen in order to

885
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: do good. You can do well and still do good, yes,

886
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: And I think that's something that we overlook. We separate.

887
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: We've built this big brick wall between people who have

888
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: a hard to help and people who have a desire

889
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: to make capital. Let's tear down that wall.

890
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 5: You can do both, Yeah, you can absolutely do both.

891
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 5: You can't do one without the other very well. So

892
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 5: you can't feed homeless people with no budget, You can't

893
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 5: build a church with nothing.

894
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: You do have to have a mortgage. If you're gonna

895
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: hire people in your church, you have to have a

896
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: pay roll, You have to pay taxes, you have to

897
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 2: do business. There's a certain amount of things that people

898
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: don't think about because they're still thinking of the grandmother's

899
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: church with the hardwood floors and the Mahela Jackson fans,

900
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: and they think, you know, oh, it was free and

901
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: they didn't ask for none of they and they didn't

902
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: have nothing either, and the floor rotted and the roof

903
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: caved in, and it all went away, and it all

904
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: went down. You don't set out to have a megachurch.

905
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: You don't choose to have a megachurch. The people demand

906
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 2: the megachurch because so many people come yes, in order

907
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: to provide it. And if they do, you better know

908
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 2: more than Deuteronomy. Yes, you better know a lot more

909
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: than by the time you get through getting your permits

910
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: and getting your license and getting the things that you

911
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: need to get it together, by the time you get

912
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: through getting suit or because somebody slipped on the parking lot,

913
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: you learn a whole lot, whole lot that you didn't

914
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: learn in Bible school. Yes, sir, so today for the

915
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: person who has a passion to change the world. And

916
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm guilty. I thought I'm going to change the world. Okay,

917
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: But the person who has that lofty dream of really

918
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: leaving an impression upon the world. Learn everything you can,

919
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: and can everything you learn, and get an opportunity to

920
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: talk to people like this, and you'll cut the learning curve.

921
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: I may not get all the experiences that you get,

922
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: but by listening at you, I inherit him.

923
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: Yes, you have changed people's worlds, though, and you know,

924
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: we all set out I think those of us who

925
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: grew up like we did, we do try to change

926
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: the world.

927
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: But Bishop Jake's may be very clear. You have changed

928
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: many worlds.

929
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: You have absolutely impacted, influenced and and made what we

930
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: do what I even do, because you've rooted it in scripture.

931
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: And so I want you to know you have absolutely

932
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: changed my world, and you've changed so many worlds.

933
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 3: So, yes, sir, I hear you.

934
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: But but you've changed and you're continuing to change worlds

935
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: with this education that you're doing here today.

936
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: As we're talking, I hope that someone's listening to us,

937
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 3: and we're going to change somebody's world.

938
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: We're going to change their business, and that's going to

939
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: change their employees world, it's gonna change their children's world.

940
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna give them some dignity. We're gonna change that community.

941
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: Black women unemployment right now is skyrocketing. One way to

942
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: address that, Bishop Jakes, is for those women to work

943
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: at a local business, are.

944
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: To create their own local business. Are brilliant, innovative people.

945
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: Master's degree absolutely.

946
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: More as you said, more educated than we've ever been

947
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: in our history, with access to capital, access to entrepreneurship.

948
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: That's a way to tackle unemployment, and that will change

949
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: people's words.

950
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 2: And often they've had the code switch to work in

951
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: certain situations and not been respected for their thought or

952
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: paid at the same level that they should have been

953
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: paid it. In order to be treated fairly, sometimes you

954
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: have to build your own.

955
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: Build your own, yeah, build your own, and then support

956
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: each other's businesses.

957
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 3: Yes, right, and support one another.

958
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: But those are ways we can change worlds right, one

959
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: person at a time, one entrepreneur at a time.

960
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: Right. I think you, I think this is important. I

961
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: think you're changing lives too. Well. I'm trying the funny

962
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: thing about changing lives is when you're doing it, you're

963
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: the last one to know it.

964
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: Yes, you know it can sometimes even feel like a thankless.

965
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, because when people tell me that, I'm

966
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: always in awe of that because I can't feel it,

967
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: I can't see it. I'm just doing what's natural to right.

968
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: But I wonder did doctor King know he would change

969
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 2: the world? Right? You know? I wonder what did Rosa

970
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: Parks you know that she would change the world? You know,

971
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: Fanny Lou Hammond? Did she know that she would change

972
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: the world? The world changing? People don't always know that

973
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: they're great because a lot of times we don't acknowledge

974
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: our heroes till.

975
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: I think about Maynor Jackson, Yes, the former mayor of Atlanta.

976
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: Yes, how many worlds?

977
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: And they're folks who will probably watching have never heard

978
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: of Mayor Jackson as sad as that is? How many

979
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: worlds did Maynor Jackson change? By requiring businesses in Atlanta

980
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: to do business with minority business enterprise when they built

981
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: the new airport Bishal Jackson, it created Atlanta. Yes, it

982
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: created the Jewel of the South. Because intention did he

983
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: know that that was going to happen?

984
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: He did the same thing that Mandela did in South Africa.

985
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: He made it necessary in order to do business in

986
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: South Africa that you included people of color in the business. Yes,

987
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 2: and sometimes we have to make it necessary. It's not

988
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 2: going to happen.

989
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: Organic, doesn't happen always organically.

990
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: To make it happen does mean you have to force

991
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: an unqualified business. That's right, and and and I think

992
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: that's what you again. I'm going back to your original

993
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: point when people talk about d E and I and

994
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: and no one is asking anyone to do some business

995
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: with a person who's unqualified to do the business. But

996
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to force people to talk. Right, because

997
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: we live in silos, and we come for our own

998
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: backgrounds and perspectives, and it's sometimes easier just to talk

999
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: to people who look like you or go to church

1000
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: with you.

1001
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 3: We sometimes have to force people to talk. We're not

1002
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 3: trying to force people to do business with one another.

1003
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: Well, I heard somebody say if I got on an

1004
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: airplane and I saw the palette was a black woman,

1005
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 2: I would want to get off the plane. We got

1006
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: black women that are flying planes in the army. Absolute, Yeah,

1007
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff we underestimate. I think it's I

1008
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: think it's because we had this one monolithic, stereotypical ideology

1009
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: about what it means to be black. It's just skinned, folks.

1010
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: My kidneys will work in your body. I can give

1011
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 2: you a blood transfusion and it is still work inside

1012
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 2: of you. We're it's just the skin. You just painted

1013
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: the house, but on the inside, if you got it,

1014
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: you got it. We're not asking you to hire people

1015
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: who are unqualified and incapable, but there are a lot

1016
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: of people that are qualified and capable whose houses may

1017
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 2: not be painted like yours. And opening up that understanding

1018
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: causes you to see them differently. And it starts with

1019
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: us handling children, yes, our children, playing with your children,

1020
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: learning how to interact with each other, learning that we

1021
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: don't buy. People aren't born prejudice taught. It's taught. It's

1022
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: taught to this.

1023
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: I always tell you know. I'm still in the National Guard,

1024
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: Bishop Jakeson.

1025
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: I joined that as later in life. I was thirty

1026
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: seven when I went. I'm a JAG officer. And when

1027
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: the Army has been a great integrator. It forces people

1028
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: to get along and when you need somebody's help, you

1029
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: don't care.

1030
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, point what color they are.

1031
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: Several of my friends and I still keep in touch

1032
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: an African American gentleman in Baton Rouge, two white friends

1033
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: of mine in Kentucky, a good friend of mine from

1034
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: Ohio and another good friend of mine from Colorado, and

1035
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: we get together every couple of years or so. And

1036
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: so what we try to instill in our children is

1037
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: when was the last time someone of a different.

1038
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: Race spent the night at your home?

1039
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: When was the last time a friend of yours and

1040
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: their family spent the night at your home and they

1041
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: didn't look like you, or they didn't worship exactly like you.

1042
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: And so we have tried to keep that tradition of

1043
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: we have a great time as well, but having our

1044
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: kids see that it's okay to have somebody who looks

1045
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: differently than you spend the night at your heart.

1046
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: I know that's a little thing, but it's a.

1047
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: Huge thing that it's the equivalent of black people inviting

1048
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: you to the big nick. You get invited to the

1049
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: big you know, Okay, you bring the potatoes, yellow, no

1050
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: ras please. But if we have a different way of

1051
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: showing hospitality, Latinos have a different reit of showing hospitality

1052
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: and learning that mechanism I can get a G I

1053
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: cannot get a ged without understanding whites. But they could

1054
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: get a PhD and never understand me. Okay, So there

1055
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: has to be a willful effort to know what you

1056
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: don't know. Yes to ask questions. I had a guy

1057
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: asked me a question. He said, I've always wanted to

1058
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: know why black people use so much lotion? And I

1059
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: started laughing because I thought it was funny, but he

1060
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: really wanted to know, and he wanted to know. And

1061
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: you can find somebody who won't be insulted. I think

1062
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: we're so afraid of offending everybody, so offended by everything that

1063
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: you're scared to ask anything. But go ahead and jump

1064
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: in the water. It might be cold first, but you

1065
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: swim around. It's gonna get better. It's gonna get better.

1066
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: And the other final thing that I think really needs

1067
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 2: to be said, have you created a climate in your

1068
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: office that anybody feels comfortable, yes, that they don't have

1069
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: to work up under an unspoken segregation and unspoken disregard,

1070
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: little subtle ways. We be little people. We invite everybody

1071
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 2: out to have a drink, but not you. We invite

1072
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: other people to dinner, but not you. Little subtle things.

1073
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm careful to make sure that I treat people the

1074
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: same well.

1075
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: And I've worked with your team, mister Jameson, you have

1076
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: a wonderful diverse team. I'm building the same type of

1077
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: team at NMSDC. We've got folks from all makes and

1078
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: models that are part of it. And I go out

1079
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: of my way and I have a great Chief operating

1080
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: officer as well to make sure that people are comfortable

1081
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: in their own skin in a way that they can,

1082
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: they can deliver it results, feel did great dignity of work,

1083
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: and feel involved and welcome and included, included and so.

1084
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: But it's it's a it's an intentionality though, Bishop Jent.

1085
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't stop one day. It's it's constantly looking to

1086
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: make sure that people are welcome. The same thing we

1087
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: have to do in entrepreneurship, same thing we have to do.

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Speaker 1: You said something reminded me of something I've heard a

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00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: very dear friend of mine st an African American gentleman.

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00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: We grew up in this country, Bishop Jakes, cheering for

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Speaker 1: white people. My first superheroes were all white Superman, Spider Man, Batman,

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Speaker 1: and Robin I'm talking about the.

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Speaker 3: Original you know on television. When when do the when.

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Speaker 1: Do the black heroes get cheered for because we love

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00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: the country just as much. My grandfather was in World

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Speaker 1: War two and we Christmas Addicts was the first person

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Speaker 1: to die in.

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Speaker 3: The Revolutionary War.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, he poses the question, my friend poses that question

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Speaker 1: sometimes to our white colleagues, what was the last time

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Speaker 1: you cheered for a black superhero? Because I cheer for

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00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: white superheroes all the time. I vote for white presidents

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00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: all the time. The houses are the same.

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Speaker 2: Which is different colors. Yes, yes, the average person might

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00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: not even know who they are. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So we have to our country what our great superpower

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00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: is is our diversity. With our enemies use against us

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Speaker 1: to divide us, is our great diversity. We will not

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Speaker 1: succeed if we don't. We don't do business with one another,

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00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: we don't build those communities, We will not succeed, Bis Jakes,

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Speaker 1: if our demographics and our markets don't catch up.

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Speaker 2: Chapter number six, Economic myths. In your opinion, what is

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00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: the most economic myth that's being sold to black and

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Speaker 2: brown people right now?

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Speaker 1: Bishop, I think we talked a little bit about it

1116
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: is this myth that black and brown businesses are maybe

1117
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: looking for something for nothing, or looking for some type

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00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: of handout without putting the work in.

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00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: And what we know to be true.

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Speaker 1: Is our black and brown entrepreneurs, all of our minority entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 1: our small business folks.

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00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: These are people who work hard every day.

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Speaker 1: A bad business person doesn't make it in business. And

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Speaker 1: so if a person has made it, they've got capacity,

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Speaker 1: they've got competence to do it.

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Speaker 3: Give them an opportunity to compete.

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Speaker 1: Our minority businesses are simply looking for an opportunity to compete.

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Speaker 1: So this myth that D and I or people are

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00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: looking for something or the pie. If somebody gets something,

1130
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: it's taking a piece of your pie. It's a myth.

1131
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't work in America. We've got to refute it.

1132
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: We've got to put it to bed. We want a

1133
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: bigger pie, a more competitive pie, and minority businesses just

1134
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: want to compete for a piece of the pie.

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Speaker 2: In fact, give us another if we can keep making back.

1136
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: Were you surprised to find out after they hit so

1137
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: adamantly shut down all these DEI programs, thousands of people

1138
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 2: ended up without a job, lost their houses, and now

1139
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: they're starting to turn around. And if you were not surprised,

1140
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: explain to me why they're starting to change visual.

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00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: I was more surprised and disappointed that people flipped in

1142
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: the first place, because, as we've discussed, we know this

1143
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: is good for business. The more diverse your employment is,

1144
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: the most diverse, the more divers your board is, the

1145
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: more diverse your supply chains are, the stronger your business

1146
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: is going to be. And so to watch some of

1147
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: our partners, some of our long standing partners, get scared

1148
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: and scared, okay, but but get scared to the point

1149
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: that press releases were put out, it was disappointing.

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Speaker 3: What I will tell you is I.

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00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: Think people are coming back to reality. Yes, and they're

1152
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: coming back to reality for two reasons. One business yes.

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Speaker 1: Two because the public is coming back to reality. And

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01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, politics changed the tone. Politics will change the

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Speaker 1: tone again. But our message has to be to corporate

1156
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: America and to business America. Politics that rhetoric and that's

1157
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: just politics, cannot change your business model.

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Speaker 2: And hats off to all the people who made up

1159
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: their mind. I'm not doing business to somebody who doesn't

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01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: do business with me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, let me tell you another good story.

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: We talk about the few who did put out the

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Speaker 1: press releases, who did reneg on it.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of businesses who didn't.

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: And I will tell you the NMSDC network, our corporate partners,

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01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: hundreds over five hundred corporate partners did not change.

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01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 3: And so we focus on the few who did. It

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: makes for good news.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to give credit to those businesses

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01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: who might have put their head down a little bit,

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01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: but they did not reneg on that and they kept

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Speaker 1: doing business.

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Speaker 2: And then, in all fairness, some of them shut down

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: DEI because they were ready. They were threatened, they were threatened,

1175
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: they were terrorized. And if you're up under enough threat

1176
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: and I'm going to take away grant money and government

1177
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: money and this and that from you, they were forced

1178
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: into a very uncomfortable Leadership is a tough.

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Speaker 3: Thing, lonely.

1180
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it God.

1181
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: It is.

1182
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: It is overrated, to be sure, because a lot of

1183
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: times you have to make decisions that you really don't

1184
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: want to make for the greater good of surviving the

1185
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: making the company survive. So we know that not everyone

1186
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: who shut it down shut it down because it was

1187
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: just something you did out of politeness or guilt for

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: the moment. We also realized that some of you are

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: being threatened and harassed on this side and then you're

1190
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: being attacked on that side and your sandwich in the middle,

1191
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: and you're being squeezed to death. But we're glad to

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01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: have you back.

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01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: Welcome home, and Bishop Jakes.

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01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: We have to make sure that we give them support

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: to where we were caught sleeping. Even at m SDC,

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01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: we had kind of gotten complacent, we'd kind of gotten

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01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: used to the support coming in, and so when our

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01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: members were attacked, are made scared. I don't know that

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01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: we gave them the talking points. I don't know that

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01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: we gave them the study. I don't know that we

1201
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: gave them the business case so that they could defend themselves,

1202
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: because many of them came to us, and I don't

1203
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: know that we were there. We were scared too, and

1204
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: we have to do a better job. You are good

1205
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: sail in us that when this happens again, right, that

1206
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: we have a case, a business case, paper, study report. No, no, no,

1207
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: this is about business, right, and so we have to

1208
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: be sharper to.

1209
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: And deliver it without anger, Yes, sir. Not often do

1210
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,479
Speaker 2: you find somebody who is articulate enough to deliver bad

1211
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: news in a good way. Yes, yes, yes, so I'm

1212
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 2: learning that tone and ten.

1213
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've learned that with my kids. I'm still struggling

1214
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: with that and my wife.

1215
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: My wife has taught me that good days are bad days. Yeah. Yeah,

1216
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 2: but it is very, very important, and that's why I

1217
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: think some messages need to be delivered in person. Yes,

1218
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: and some messages need to be delivered. You can be

1219
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: right and not be nasty.

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01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 3: Yes.

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01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of times when you have been mistreated

1222
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: or mishandled, you take it out on other people. Yes,

1223
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 2: but you have to have the cooler his and if

1224
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: you're not the right person, don't go send somebody who

1225
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: has that gift and that ability to compromise so that

1226
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: we can move the country forward. Yes, don handle mbs

1227
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: leverage their relationships with your other company in order to

1228
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: do what they're doing.

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01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 3: Thank you for the question.

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01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, we've got twenty three regional affiliates all

1231
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: across the country who do the work in the neighborhood.

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01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: You talked about how important relationships are. Right Don Craven's

1233
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: at the national office, can get funding, can bring corporate

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01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: partners to the fold, can create programs to educate mbs,

1235
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: but the real training happens at our affiliates. At our

1236
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: twenty three regional affiliates, and so those are the men

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: and women who are really doing God's work in this

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01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: network where they are training those mbs. The MBS know

1239
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: those people, they go to church with those people, they

1240
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: see them in the grocery stores, and so our twenty

1241
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: three affiliate leaders and their staffs there where the leveraging

1242
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: takes place. They introduce them to local municipalities for government contracts.

1243
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: They introduce them to regional companies for maybe that first

1244
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: opportunity to get that contract. So they really do the

1245
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: heavy lifting of the leveraging. My job is the national

1246
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: leader is to talk about some of the things we've

1247
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: talked about. Is to meet with corporate partners CEOs of

1248
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: big companies to say this is a business case. Is

1249
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: to meet with elected officials to say this is a

1250
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: business case. To get grants and opportunities so the regions

1251
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: have funding to do the work. That's what makes us

1252
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: an impactful network.

1253
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: Listen. In short, we're saying something very simple but very

1254
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: very profound. We are better together than we are. Hard. Yes,

1255
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: and if we are going to survive as a species,

1256
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: we have to take the strength out of every community

1257
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: and every individual and integrated in such a way that

1258
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: we can withstand what's coming next. Because none of us

1259
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: are sure what's coming next. We don't know if we

1260
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 2: haven't created something that we can't control. We don't know

1261
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 2: what's on another planet. We don't know what's going to happen.

1262
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: But this species survives through unification. I saw this and

1263
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 2: close with this. I saw a group of penguins in

1264
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: subfreezing temperature, but they survive it by getting together, and

1265
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 2: they stay real close together. They just get together like this.

1266
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 2: And I think humanity can survive almost anything if we

1267
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 2: would just get together like the penguins and get together.

1268
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: So don't be afraid to get a little body heat

1269
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: from me, and I get a little body heat from you,

1270
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: and we make the connection that's necessary for us to survive.

1271
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: Because there's no honor in dying alone. There's no honor

1272
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: in starving alone. There's no honor in being a nursing

1273
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: home in a nursing home and nobody coming to see you.

1274
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: There's no honor in not getting the medicine that you

1275
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: need because you don't like the hand that serves the medicine.

1276
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: So this, this is what we're saying. We're giving an

1277
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: all out challenge to every institution in the smallest of ways,

1278
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: to the biggest of ways, to include somebody that that

1279
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: you normally wouldn't include, To go out of your way

1280
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 2: to embrace somebody you wouldn't normally embrace, and see what

1281
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: you can do to make the world better. It's been

1282
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: amazing talking much.

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01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1284
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 2: It's an absolute honor. So you've been listening to us today.

1285
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: I hope you are ready for your next chapter, and

1286
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: I hope you include somebody else in your next chapter

1287
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: who doesn't look like you. Take care. Hey, everybody, I

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01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: want to take this time to thank you for watching

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1290
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,880
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1291
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,120
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01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:40,720
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