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Speaker 1: This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the Clay,

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things election coverage.

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Speaker 2: Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck. Buck, I

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Speaker 2: want to hit you with some data here. You said

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Speaker 2: you think Trump is going to be in the single

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Speaker 2: digits in New York. We had Mark Simone who came

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Speaker 2: on and made the boldest proclamation and I said it

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Speaker 2: at the time.

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Speaker 3: He said Trump was going to win New York.

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Speaker 4: But if I tried, I tried to amend it for him,

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Speaker 4: Clay and say, you mean he's gonna make it at

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Speaker 4: least super close? Right, And Mark Simone, our friend, said

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Speaker 4: Trump will win. Don't amend anything.

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Speaker 2: He will win, which would be a huge, unbelievable win

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Speaker 2: if that were to happen. But I went just in

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Speaker 2: the context of the math. Right, the math is Trump

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Speaker 2: lost according to the twenty twenty outcome by twenty three points.

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Speaker 2: He's now down nine in this state of New York

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Speaker 2: according to the most recent SIENA poll. I went and looked,

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Speaker 2: and let's just say that Trump doesn't win New York,

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Speaker 2: but he is a single digit loser. That would not

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Speaker 2: only require Democrats to probably end up spending a lot

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Speaker 2: of money in New York. It would also mean that

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Speaker 2: Trump would, if we had a similar voting pattern nationwide,

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Speaker 2: win the following states, certainly all the battleground states. If

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Speaker 2: Trump loses New York by single digits.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna win.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna win Georgia, He's gonna win Nevada, He's gonna

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Speaker 2: win Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. That's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: That's in North Carolina, if you want to toss it in.

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Speaker 2: Those would be states that Trump would win. He would

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Speaker 2: win the presidency. But if he lost New York by

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Speaker 2: single digits, it would also mean he is likely to

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Speaker 2: win Minnesota, Virginia, New Mexico, and New Hampshire. Those are

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Speaker 2: four states right now at a minimum that almost no

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Speaker 2: one is talking about that Trump lost by roughly ten

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Speaker 2: or less in twenty twenty four, because when we would

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Speaker 2: see according to those New York numbers, if they were accurate,

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Speaker 2: New York would move in the direction of at least

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Speaker 2: Trump plus fourteen. That would put a state like Virginia,

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Speaker 2: which Trump lost by ten squarely in the mix to

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Speaker 2: be a flippable state that a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: not talking about.

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Speaker 4: But is New York a little different though? I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't think you can look at every state and say, well,

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Speaker 4: if new York, you know, if he closes the gap

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Speaker 4: a lot in New York. There are a few things

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Speaker 4: Trump has going for him. He is a native son

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Speaker 4: of New York, right, I mean, never really gets talked about.

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Speaker 4: Everyone there knows him, the people that I think there

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Speaker 4: are some people who have been turned against him in

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Speaker 4: New York who now have seen that they were lied to.

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Speaker 4: And beyond that, Clay the governor in New York is

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Speaker 4: and I say this with I try to be kind

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Speaker 4: on this show. I try to be fair. She is

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Speaker 4: a moron, Like, she's really not a smart person, and

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Speaker 4: she shouldn't have the job that she does.

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Speaker 3: And she was.

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Speaker 4: Horrible and tyrannical during COVID and has never apologized. And

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Speaker 4: she thought that putting the National Guard in the subway

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Speaker 4: for like five days to just harass people or do

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Speaker 4: nothing was somehow going to stop the crime.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's not smart.

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Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is I think New Yorkers there's

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Speaker 4: a cohort. I don't think it's you know, I have

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Speaker 4: no illusions as a born and raised New York City kid,

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Speaker 4: you know, New York City's gonna go eighty percent plus

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Speaker 4: for Biden.

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Speaker 3: It's just that's just what's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: But I think you get outside of you know, you

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Speaker 4: get outside the city, and you get some other parts

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Speaker 4: into the suburbs, and you might have more people who

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Speaker 4: are saying, you know what, this is just madness. I

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Speaker 4: just I can't do this anymore. Yeah, no, I mean

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Speaker 4: I want to know. Is that the case in New Mexico? Maybe,

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Speaker 4: But I feel like it's a different it's different terrain.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, I think there is a difference in the terrain.

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Speaker 2: But the reason why I flagged all four of those

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Speaker 2: states which Biden won is if we saw a fourteen

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Speaker 2: points because nine is fourteen points, right, you lose by

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Let's say he lost by nine, that's single digits.

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Speaker 2: That's the bare minimum of making it a single digit campaign.

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Speaker 2: That's a Trump plus fourteen move in New York. And

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Speaker 2: I agree there are some unique aspects to New York

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Speaker 2: that may make it more likely to move as we

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Speaker 2: saw in twenty twenty two than other parts of the country.

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Speaker 2: But the margin. Just listen, the margin in Minnesota was seven.

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Speaker 2: If New York swings plus fourteen to Trump, I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's crazy at all to believe that Minnesota could

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Speaker 2: swing plus eight, that's still not as much as New York.

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Speaker 2: Virginia was ten. I'm giving four points to New York

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Speaker 2: moving more. Virginia would still be in play. New Mexico

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Speaker 2: was eleven. Remember, the Hispanic move is big. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about Nevada and Arizona coming back into the Trump camp. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's less than New York would be moving. And New

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Speaker 2: Hampshire was seven, also up somewhat in the northeast. My

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Speaker 2: point on that is, if Trump comes up fourteen in

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Speaker 2: New York, I don't think it's crazy for him to

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Speaker 2: come up eight in New Hampshire, eleven or twelve in

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Speaker 2: New Mexico, ten in Virginia, and seven or eight in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: They're moving less. It puts them in play. If that happened.

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Speaker 4: Talking about the biggest ass kicking since Jimmy Carter, basically,

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Speaker 4: my friend, I mean, you're talking about getting absolutely annihilated.

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Speaker 2: If that happens, then you would have in the electoral

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Speaker 2: College a potential night where Rachel Maddow is starting to

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Speaker 2: cry by ten Eastern, and I also think let's go

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Speaker 2: to this caller. I also think a big part about

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Speaker 2: this is it really fight puts the Democrats in a

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Speaker 2: football context. They're in a goal line situation where they're

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Speaker 2: defending a lot of territory to try to avoid getting

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Speaker 2: totally crushed. In terms of how that could break out.

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Speaker 2: Ramone in Virginia is Hispanic. Grew up in the Bronx.

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Speaker 2: What did you think about this rally?

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Speaker 5: Oh, it was great. I grew up in that area.

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Speaker 5: I actually played baseball there in Krotona Park, and I

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Speaker 5: was there when Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan went to

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Speaker 5: the Bronx when the Bronx was really falling apart. Well,

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Speaker 5: the Bronx is falling apart now, and like Trump says,

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Speaker 5: the Bronx needs Donald Trump, so does New York and

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Speaker 5: so does the United States. I came here legally in

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Speaker 5: nineteen seventy two from the Dominican Republic, and I had

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Speaker 5: dreams of being a baseball player. Well I was too slow,

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Speaker 5: No arm, couldn't hit.

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Speaker 3: So it became hey, that makes a couple of us.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Ramone.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people out there listening with those same dreams.

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Speaker 5: I became an engineer, and I thank this country for

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Speaker 5: all the opportunity that I had given me, given me

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Speaker 5: and all the Hispanic we have very hard workers. It

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Speaker 5: gives that opportunity, an opportunity that is being taken for

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Speaker 5: granted by the Democratic Party and especially as president. The

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Speaker 5: rally guests to day was great, twenty five thousand people

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Speaker 5: that saw a lot more than I thought were going

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Speaker 5: to show up, but it was great, and I do

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Speaker 5: hope that come November we have a new president.

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Speaker 3: Do you see in your life, Ramone? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Do you see in your life, Ramone people who are Hispanic?

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Speaker 3: You said you live in Virginia now who maybe.

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Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen, were not even willing

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Speaker 2: to consider Trump that now looking around as we sit

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Speaker 2: five and a half months out, are way more open

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Speaker 2: to the idea of voting for Trump.

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Speaker 5: Oh. Yes. I actually work for a ship builder where

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Speaker 5: I say about sixty percent of the workers are black,

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Speaker 5: and I talk to them every day day, and every

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Speaker 5: day every day I hear more people saying that they

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Speaker 5: worry for Trump and his Panics too. So yes, it

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Speaker 5: I can see Trump winning Virginia, not just picking up.

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Speaker 5: I could see him winning it outright.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look at that, thank you for the call. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Look, I know you know in Virginia you also have

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Speaker 4: I think you've had You've had a good a good

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Speaker 4: run here by Youngkin and his yes, his team. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the people that are running the state win some sears,

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Speaker 4: the attorney general, you know, I think.

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Speaker 2: That you've Jason me Are is the attorney win governor.

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Speaker 4: But they're doing well. Yeah, I think they're I think

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Speaker 4: they're doing well for the state. And you know, the

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Speaker 4: the problem. The problem with Virginia is the extension of

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Speaker 4: basically like DC has invaded Virginia, and that makes it

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Speaker 4: harder to win elections there. But the rest of the

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Speaker 4: state feels a lot more sane. So look, Clay, I

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Speaker 4: I hope Clay just gave it before you get to

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Speaker 4: the holiday weekend, before we're talking about all these fun things.

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Speaker 4: A lot of optimism for mister Clay, and I'm just

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Speaker 4: going to let it, let it, let it out there

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Speaker 4: for a second. I'm not even I'm not trying to

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Speaker 4: not trying to reign on any parades today.

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Speaker 2: I just I want you, if you live in Minnesota, Virginia,

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Speaker 2: New Mexico, in New Hampshire, and certainly all the battleground states,

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Speaker 2: I want you to be doing what Ramon just called

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Speaker 2: and said he's doing. He works on I think he

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Speaker 2: an engineer in Virginia and he's talking to a lot

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Speaker 2: of the people that he works with. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: you need to break people, but just have natural conversations,

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Speaker 2: like you what about sports teams about politics? And I

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Speaker 2: lot of people out there, particularly men. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you're if you are a man at in America today,

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Speaker 2: you are I think absolutely aghast at what Democrat Orthodo

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Speaker 2: he is, particularly on issues of gender sports. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just broken. Men don't agree with this stuff. And

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Speaker 2: I think if you have those conversations black, white, Asian, Hispanic,

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of men are moving now. We

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Speaker 2: got a lot of women out there listening to you.

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Speaker 2: Guys have conversations all the time as well. I'm just

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Speaker 2: telling you, I am seeing a lot of people who

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Speaker 2: were maybe not traditional supporters of Trump open to the idea.

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Speaker 2: That's what grocery prices soaring, fast food prices soaring have

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Speaker 2: done for many people out there. And so we understand

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Speaker 2: and we talk about the battleground states, but I just

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Speaker 2: I want all of you out there in Minnesota, Virginia,

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Speaker 2: New Mexico, New Hampshire. Remember what did Trump lose Minnesota

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Speaker 2: by in twenty sixteen? Like a point and a half, right,

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Speaker 2: It looked like Minnesota might flip red in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: and he still won forty five percent, I believe of

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Speaker 2: the overall vote even in that crazy twenty twenty election

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Given what has happened there, I think there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of people that are open to making

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Speaker 2: that move. Virginia too. They just elected a demo, a

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Speaker 2: Republican governor New Mexico with the Hispanic move. New Hampshire

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Speaker 2: obviously has a long history of voting and almost Trump

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Speaker 2: one in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: It was close. In twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: You're listening to twenty four the Year of Impact with

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Speaker 6: Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 4: Our friend Julie Kelly joins us. She is the author

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Speaker 4: of the Declassified sub Stack and had quite a firestorm

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Speaker 4: started a firestorm online yesterday with her latest findings with

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Speaker 4: regard to the mar Lago Document raid. Julie, I know

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Speaker 4: you've it's probably been a very busy twenty four hours

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Speaker 4: or so for you after deciding to just light the

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Speaker 4: internet on fire with some of your some of your

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Speaker 4: findings me. First off, we mentioned the top of the show,

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Speaker 4: where did you How were you able to get this

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Speaker 2: To Yeah, to your point, Julie, this there is no

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Speaker 7: And to your point, that's another unusual, rare circumstance is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the problem with the and This is

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Speaker 7: Exactly. And there were transcripts released by the House who

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Speaker 7: Particular, Well, what I've written is that she has now

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Speaker 2: Holy I again, they ain't good to say to any woman,

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Speaker 7: There were gaps in the media room when he said

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Speaker 7: including hearings next month which I'll be covering this bombshell

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Speaker 7: motion that accuses of Biden, White House, the General Counsel

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Speaker 7: of the White House, and National Archives BOJ and SBI

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Speaker 7: of colluding together as basically right after Donald Trump left

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Speaker 7: the Oval Office to concut some sort of documents crime

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Speaker 7: against Donald Trumps. So she's really turning the tables and

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Speaker 7: that's why you could see this frustration from the prosecution

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Speaker 7: side today and I expect more fireworks to staff than you.

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Speaker 4: Real quick, Julie, before we got to go, do you

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Speaker 4: think that the is there any real legal legal jeopardy

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Speaker 4: in your mind from the Florida k still for Donald Trump? No, yeah,

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Speaker 4: sounds like it. I mean that's and Clay and I

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Speaker 4: haven't seen it that way for a while. So if

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Speaker 4: you're on that on that train too, I think it's

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Speaker 4: a very very high probability. Check out Declassified with Julie Kelly. Julie,

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Speaker 4: let us know the next time you want to blow

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Speaker 4: up the Internet with findings and will definitely have you

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Speaker 4: back on.

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Speaker 8: I definitely will.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, you're listening to twenty four The Most Important

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Speaker 1: Tier in Politics with Clay Travis and Bock Sexton.

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Speaker 3: Bernie Marino joins us. Now, Bernie appreciates you.

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Speaker 2: We're rooting for you to flip Ohio back to a

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Speaker 2: full red state. But I'm curious what do you think

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Speaker 2: of all this controversy about whether Joe Biden should be

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Speaker 2: on the ballot or not in Ohio and the scramble

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Speaker 2: that Democrat failure in terms of the timing of their

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Speaker 2: Democrat National Convention has put in place with Ohio law.

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Speaker 2: How do you break all this down?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, obviously, if the tables are turned, Let's

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Speaker 8: be honest, they would never lift a finger to President

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Speaker 8: Trump on the ballot that they would do the exact opposite.

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Speaker 8: My perspective is, let's not be like them. And number

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Speaker 8: one number two, let's show America that Ohio's Trump countries.

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Speaker 8: So let's put Biden on the ballot so that we

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Speaker 8: can absolutely beat him by fifteen plus points and humiliate

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Speaker 8: his give him a humiliating loss here in Ohio. He

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Speaker 8: deserves that after everything he's done to this century of

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Speaker 8: the last three and a half years, I'd like to

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Speaker 8: see him soundly defeated here in Ohio.

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Speaker 3: How is it looking right now?

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Speaker 4: What are the latest numbers telling you about how Biden's

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Speaker 4: going to fare? And is the Ohio GOP ready for

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Speaker 4: the challenge?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely. We have a great state party. We have a

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Speaker 8: great county party system. We have eighty eight very healthy

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Speaker 8: county parties. If the election were today, President Trump would

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Speaker 8: probably be win by twenty points.

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Speaker 2: Twenty point win. Is there any way you don't win.

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Speaker 2: If Trump wins by twenty how connected do you think

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Speaker 2: the vote is going to be in Ohio when it

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Speaker 2: comes to presidential ticket and Senate ticket.

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Speaker 8: I think it'll be very connected. I think there's not

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Speaker 8: a lot of crossover anymore. But I'll caution this. You

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Speaker 8: know there's today the election is a twenty point victory.

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Speaker 8: But let's not discount the creativity of the radical left

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Speaker 8: to cause god knows what grief, and also the entirety

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Speaker 8: of the mainstream media is going to do the bidding

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Speaker 8: of Sheriff Brown and Joe Biden. Let's not discount that.

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Speaker 3: I actually saw that.

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Speaker 2: I know your campaign's going well, Bernie, because I saw

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Speaker 2: the New York York Times came after you and your

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Speaker 2: entire life history.

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Speaker 3: In a bio piece.

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Speaker 2: And I always think when I read those, man, Bernie

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Speaker 2: must be running a good campaign. When the New York

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Speaker 2: Times dedicates three thousand words to saying, Oh, Bernie's actually

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Speaker 2: a really bad guy. What'd you think of that profile?

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Speaker 2: What did it tell you about the campaign?

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Speaker 8: Well that they obviously can't talk about Sharon Brown's accomplishments,

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Speaker 8: so they have to debase me and my family. You know,

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Speaker 8: the tadab moment in that article is well, Bernie said

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Speaker 8: it was a two bedroom apartment. Turns out there was

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Speaker 8: three bedrooms. It's two bedrooms in a data We really

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Speaker 8: arguing about this, and by the way, it had two bathrooms.

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Speaker 8: And it was five brothers, myself, my sister, my mom,

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Speaker 8: my dad, my grandfather, and my grandmother. So it was

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Speaker 8: definitely the lap of luxury according to the New York Times,

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Speaker 8: you know, and my dad was making five dollars and

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Speaker 8: twenty five cents an hour raising seven kids. But of

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Speaker 8: course it's just ridiculous, but there is no separation between

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Speaker 8: the New York Times and the Democrat Party. That's that's

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Speaker 8: what I learned in my brief time in politics and kind.

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Speaker 4: Of Bernie, do you remember, do you remember when they

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Speaker 4: went after Marco Rubio when Hillary Clinton was giving speeches

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Speaker 4: for two hundred fifty thousand dollars a pop, and they

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Speaker 4: found out that Marco, hopefully soon to be your centate

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Speaker 4: Republican colleague, had like a family fishing boat that was

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Speaker 4: worth like sixty grand or something. In The New York

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Speaker 4: Times tried to hit him on that one, and then

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Speaker 4: everyone was talking about how many how many Marco boats.

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Speaker 4: Hillary gets paid for.

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Speaker 8: Speech Marco Rubio's luxury yacht.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's no, That's how they were positioning in like, oh,

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Speaker 4: the spendthrift Rubio. Anyway, you know, you know what you're

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Speaker 4: up against with the New York Times. They're completely an

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Speaker 4: utterly in the tank. For the other side, what do

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Speaker 4: you I mean for the people who are wondering, you know,

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Speaker 4: how how this is going to shape up, you know,

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Speaker 4: against Biden, what's your expectation.

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Speaker 3: For what they're going to try to hammer in your state?

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Speaker 4: Like what is the because Biden can't be the tip

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Speaker 4: of the spear of their attack, right because it's and

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Speaker 4: we all know this. Are they just going to go

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Speaker 4: on on abortion stuff and threats to democracy? Like how

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Speaker 4: are they going to try to position themselves.

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Speaker 8: In the you can't make this up department? Sharret Brown

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Speaker 8: is trying to position himself are you ready for this one?

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Speaker 8: As a Trump guy? So he's aligning himself saying I'm

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Speaker 8: with Trump on trade, I'm with Trump on taxes, I'm

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Speaker 8: with Trump on immigration, I'm with Trump on stoppying fentanyl.

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Speaker 8: That is his current theme, which is again you know,

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Speaker 8: you have to suspend the sality to think that, Oh,

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Speaker 8: it's totally wild. But and I you know, listen, let's

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Speaker 8: not be surprised when in October Sharon Brown endorses President

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Speaker 8: Trump and so Joe Biden, I see that as plausible.

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Speaker 3: That would be wild.

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Speaker 2: So you think it's possible the sitting Democrat senator is

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Speaker 2: going to be floundering and trying to win to such

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Speaker 2: a degree that he might endorse Donald Trump as President

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Speaker 2: of the United States in Ohio.

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Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely, I mean, his ads are basically heading that

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Speaker 8: direction anyway. I mean, when if you have Air Force

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Speaker 8: one that comes anywhere near Ohio airspace, you can hear

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Speaker 8: Share Brown running to a bunker.

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Speaker 2: That is pretty incredible to think about. So when you're

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Speaker 2: on the road for people out there who pay a

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Speaker 2: lot of attention to the presidential race, that obviously matters

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Speaker 2: a great deal. But if you beat Shared Brown, given

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Speaker 2: what's going on in West Virginia, Republicans take control of

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Speaker 2: the Senate. Obviously, there are a lot of other races

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Speaker 2: that are of high significance. But how much do you

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Speaker 2: think about that impact in terms of what it could

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Speaker 2: do for the nation to take back control of the Senate,

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Speaker 2: not to mention take back control of Ohio completely well.

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Speaker 8: I think we have to paint that picture for voters.

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Speaker 8: It means a safe and secure border. It means zero

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Speaker 8: legal immigration. It means we have safety and security. It

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Speaker 8: means we have a stronger country because we have a

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Speaker 8: stronger economy. We make things here in America again, we

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Speaker 8: restore a growing and thriving middle class. We have energy dominance,

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Speaker 8: we don't need any energy from any other country on Earth,

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Speaker 8: and we have piece of stability around the world. That

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Speaker 8: is what we will deliver for the American people if

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Speaker 8: they give us the opportunity of the White House and

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Speaker 8: the Senate in the House again.

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Speaker 4: Bernie Marino, Bernie, worship folks go especially. We got a

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Speaker 4: lot of Ohio listeners. They want to get involved in help.

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Speaker 8: I need to help from your listeners. They can go

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Speaker 8: on the website, Bernie MARINOMRMO dot com. Sarah Brown is

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Speaker 8: going to have every horrible dark organization around the country

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Speaker 8: supporting him. I need the grassroots supporters, the conseratives that

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Speaker 8: love this country and want to get our country back.

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Speaker 4: There we go, Bernie Marino. Everybody go check it out. Bernie,

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Speaker 4: thanks for being.

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Speaker 8: With us, of course, thank you guys.

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Speaker 6: You're listening to twenty four The Year of Impact with

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Speaker 6: Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: I told you guys yesterday as we finished the Tuesday

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Speaker 2: edition of the program that he had walked into studio

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Speaker 2: here in DC, and so we are taping this on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: but we're playing it for you now on Wednesday. Congressman

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Speaker 2: Jim Jordan, who the heck knows what might happen in

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Speaker 2: the next twenty four hours. Let's be honest, but I

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Speaker 2: want to start here with you, no kidding, even for

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Speaker 2: crazy American politics standards, Thanks for being here. I want

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Speaker 2: to start with our good friend. I call her Fanny

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Speaker 2: because I think she's shown her ass a lot. Fanny

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Speaker 2: Willis down in Atlanta was on Rachel Maddow Show, I believe,

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Speaker 2: and she decided that she wanted to weigh in on you.

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Speaker 3: We've got the audio here is cut six.

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Speaker 9: Jim Jordan has time after time after time attacked my

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Speaker 9: office with no legitimate purpose. Anyone who knows Jim Jordan's

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Speaker 9: history knows that he only has the purpose of trying

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Speaker 9: to interfere in a criminal investigation. He has now turned

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Speaker 9: his tricks to He's going to look at grant programs,

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Speaker 9: which I invite him to do, and we have complied

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Speaker 9: with his subpoenas, but yet he continues his attacks to

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Speaker 9: try to interfere in a criminal investigation. All wow, his

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Speaker 9: jurisdiction has one of the worst crime rates, has poverty issues,

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Speaker 9: and not one time has he used his position to

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Speaker 9: try to investigate people who are attacking me and attacking

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Speaker 9: others legitimately doing their jobs, making him illegitimate in his position.

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Speaker 10: And it's disgusting.

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Speaker 9: And so I bring that up at the federal level

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Speaker 9: because now at the state level, they've decided to follow

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Speaker 9: this clown's lead.

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Speaker 2: Okay, she called you a clown, I would think, just

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Speaker 2: to refresh for everybody out there. She hired her lover,

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Speaker 2: She paid him seven hundred thousand dollars in state funds.

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Speaker 3: She may well.

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Speaker 2: Get removed by the Georgia Court of Appeals before all

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Speaker 2: is said and done. When she decides to go after

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Speaker 2: you in that manner, is it a badge of honor?

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Speaker 2: What do you think when things like that, when attacks

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Speaker 2: like that are made against you and their case is

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Speaker 2: falling apart. I mean, she paid Nathan Wade, as you said,

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Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 10: He came to DC.

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Speaker 11: He met with the Justice Department of the January sixth Committee,

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Speaker 11: meet with folks at the White House, all part of

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Speaker 11: this coordinated effort to go to President Trump. And oh,

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Speaker 11: by the way, there's a whistleblower down there who's talked

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Speaker 11: to us, Miss Timpson, who's come forward and said she

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Speaker 11: did it. She alleged she misspent federal fund. So you know,

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Speaker 11: like I said, I've been called a lot worse than

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Speaker 11: clown by folks, So I just try to stick to

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Speaker 11: the facts. In fact, Clay, every one of these cases

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Speaker 11: is falling apart. The immunity thing in DC is on hold.

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Speaker 11: Two weeks ago, Jack Smith got caught altering the sequence

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Speaker 11: of the documents he sees the physical documents don't match

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Speaker 11: up with the scan documents. Some people might call that

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Speaker 11: tampering with the evidence, something you're not allowed to do.

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Speaker 11: And of course the irony is not lost on anyone.

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Speaker 11: Jack Smith mishandled documents while he's charging President Trump with

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Speaker 11: mishandling documents. So that case has fallen apart. And of

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Speaker 11: course we know what's going on in New York, which

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Speaker 11: is a complete, complete joke. We saw that when Michael

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Speaker 11: Alvin Bragg said he could not. And this is like

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Speaker 11: two years ago. Could not envision a bringing a prosecution

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Speaker 11: against President Trump and calling Michael Cohen as a prosecution witness.

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Speaker 10: That's what he said, but.

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Speaker 11: Then in fact did just that after Trump announces he's

658
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Speaker 11: running for president. So these cases are all about politics,

659
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Speaker 11: and when you're all about politics, you can see why

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Speaker 11: there's a good chance they all fall apart like the art.

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Speaker 4: Congress and Jordan appreciate you being with us. What do

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Speaker 4: you think happens if? I mean, Clay and I talked

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Speaker 4: about this a bit yesterday on the show. Let's say,

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Speaker 4: and I unfortunately predictar that there'll be a conviction in

665
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Speaker 4: New York. Not because I disagree in any way that

666
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Speaker 4: it's a sham. I think it's an outrageous sham. It's

667
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Speaker 4: an absurdity, but not a funny one really when you

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Speaker 4: think about.

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Speaker 3: What's at stake. But I think the jury's biased. Maybe

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Speaker 3: I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: We'll see if there is a hung jury, which I

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Speaker 4: think Clay is more inclined to think that's a possibility.

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Speaker 4: What does it mean for the rest of these cases?

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Speaker 4: I mean, do they just then act like nothing, really,

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Speaker 4: no big deal. J six, We're gonna get them on that,

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Speaker 4: or maybe we'll get them in Florida or something else.

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Speaker 4: Is that just where this goes, because it feels like

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Speaker 4: it's all such clear election interference at this point, and

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Speaker 4: they're gonna double down on it no matter what is that?

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Speaker 3: Is that your read?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: I think so, because again, you know, you go through

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Speaker 10: the history.

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Speaker 11: We've talked about this before, but you know, they spout

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Speaker 11: his campaign in sixteen, then it's Muller. Then it's then it's, uh,

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Speaker 11: you know, Muller, what nineteen lawyers, thirty million dollars, forty

687
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Speaker 11: one agents, they go into that, they find nothing, then

688
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Speaker 11: it's impeachment.

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Speaker 10: Then they raid his home. Then it's you know, all

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Speaker 10: four of these cases.

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Speaker 11: Then it's the fourteenth in them, everything they try doesn't

692
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Speaker 11: seem to work, but they're not gonna stop trying because

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Speaker 11: they're determined to keep President Trump from being the next

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Speaker 11: president of the United States. So yeah, I think they

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Speaker 11: just just keep plowing ahead. Now, as I said before,

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Speaker 11: the good news is all these all these cases are

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Speaker 11: falling apart because they never should have been brought in

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Speaker 11: the first place. But I do not see democrats letting up.

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Speaker 11: One thing about democrats, particularly the left which now controls

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Speaker 11: their party. They are committed to getting to the objective,

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Speaker 11: come heck high water, That's just how they operate.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, do you since that they're starting to be a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a panic inside of the Biden campaign,

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Speaker 2: The decision to debate on June twenty seventh and September tenth,

705
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Speaker 2: the lawfare collapsing. Regardless of what happens in New York City,

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Speaker 2: we're five and a half months out. You've known Trump

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Speaker 2: for a long time. I'm not sure he's ever been

708
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Speaker 2: at a stronger political position in his career than he

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Speaker 2: is as we're talking today. Do you get the sense

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Speaker 2: that they're starting they spent tens of millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: already their game plan, as it were, kind of getting

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Speaker 2: its ass kicked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Do you since that they're starting to panic a little bit?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, particularly when the polling in the states to count

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Speaker 11: the seven states and now determine the presidency of the

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Speaker 11: United States. What there was I saw one pole of

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Speaker 11: Georgia they were down like twelve points. Yeah, Arizona They're

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Speaker 11: down like ten points. And you know, the only stay

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Speaker 11: to think of this of the seven where they're like

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Speaker 11: dead even is Wisconsin, which was consin's always dead even

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Speaker 11: you know this way, it was concent and is right now.

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Speaker 11: But they're winning the other six, including the VATA up

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Speaker 11: substantially in the polls I saw like a week and

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Speaker 11: a half ago, I think. So I do think that's,

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Speaker 11: you know, because we're not We're used to the polls

727
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Speaker 11: being kind of close and the polls being a little off,

728
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Speaker 11: and some of our voters like get nervous about even

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Speaker 11: saying anything. You know, I'm just I'm not gonna I'm

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Speaker 11: not going to weigh in. And yet now with them

731
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Speaker 11: showing Trump in the lead and by substantial margins in

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Speaker 11: some of these key states, I do think, you know,

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Speaker 11: why else would they out of the blue just well,

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Speaker 11: shuzzamne we're gonna we need a debate in June? Well

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Speaker 11: whoever heard of that? Yeah, you know, it's like, of

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Speaker 11: course we're going to have debate. We have them every

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Speaker 11: four years in the presidential race. But we never had

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Speaker 11: him in June. And it came from Biden, who we

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Speaker 11: thought was not going to debate. So I think that

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Speaker 11: does indicate, you know, your your question is is on target.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Congress and Jim Jordan of Ohio congressman. Obviously

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Speaker 4: some very important races, including Bernie Marino, who is running

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Speaker 4: for a critical Senate seat. As you're seeing it on

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Speaker 4: the House side and the Senate side. What are the

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Speaker 4: what are the issues that are going to be the

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Speaker 4: determining factors in the important close races, right, I mean

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Speaker 4: where it really counts, where we need to win in

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Speaker 4: order to have control of the House and control of

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Speaker 4: the Senate. What would you say are the top three issues?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, secure border to no boarder.

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Speaker 11: That's the biggest change in three years and one hundred

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Speaker 11: and twenty days ever long with Joe Biden's been president,

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Speaker 11: safe streets to record crime. And you can you can

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Speaker 11: measure the inflation both in the cost of gas and

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Speaker 11: everything else. So it's you know, from two dollar gas

756
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Speaker 11: to four dollar gas, from stable prices to record record inflation.

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Speaker 11: Those are the issues that are gonna drive you take

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Speaker 11: your family out to dinner. Our our youngest son and

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Speaker 11: daughter in law and their little one over in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 10: We took them out the dinner.

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Speaker 11: It was like a month or so ago, and we

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Speaker 11: didn't go to the fancy, but it was a nice

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Speaker 11: restaurant and you get the bill for just like the

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Speaker 11: five of four of us, that's a different like Holy cow,

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Speaker 11: how to middle class families, like it's crazy, what just

766
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Speaker 11: to go to a pretty nice restaurant with your family?

767
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Speaker 11: So I think all those things, and then you add

768
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Speaker 11: in this attack on Trump, this weaponization of government, these

769
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Speaker 11: agencies being turned against we the people, and then the

770
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Speaker 11: final straw is some people are going to step back

771
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Speaker 11: and look, you know, with President Trump, we didn't have

772
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Speaker 11: Russia going into Ukraine. We didn't have Hamas a terrorist

773
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Speaker 11: organization attacking our best friend, the state of Israel. None

774
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Speaker 11: of that garbage was going on, and I kind of

775
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Speaker 11: liked it when it wasn't going on. People are going

776
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Speaker 11: to say, so, I think those kind of those three

777
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Speaker 11: key issues, the weaponization of government and then this foreign

778
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Speaker 11: policy to something that is in the back of people's

779
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Speaker 11: minds as well, and they're going to say, like, let's

780
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Speaker 11: go back to Trump.

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Speaker 10: Things were so much better.

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Speaker 2: You listen to the show, so you're aware that Buck

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Speaker 2: and I have been on opposite sides of whether Biden's

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Speaker 2: going to be the guy.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and I know you have seen it the size

786
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Speaker 11: of another ah yeah, the ice cream debate and who's

787
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Speaker 11: going to be the Democrats.

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Speaker 10: All those are.

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Speaker 2: Important, So it's important answer here for you to see

790
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Speaker 2: whether you're on the side of truth, justice and Clay

791
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: or evil and uh and and and awful things and Buck.

792
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Speaker 2: But to set that up, it feels like every day

793
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Speaker 2: now there is a new viral Biden clip where he's

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Speaker 2: just not able to read the teleprompter or he's not

795
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Speaker 2: able to get off the stage. June twenty seventh, you

796
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Speaker 2: mentioned is now the CNN debate. Do you think they're

797
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: really gonna roll with this guy? Or do you think

798
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Speaker 2: as the lawfare is crumbling and as Biden's essential argument

799
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Speaker 2: for why he deserves the second term, it feels like

800
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Speaker 2: every day takes a new.

801
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Speaker 3: Punch to the gut. What are they thinking?

802
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Speaker 10: I don't know, but I do.

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Speaker 11: I hate to say, since I'm sitting with you and

804
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Speaker 11: was watching Buck on the screen I'm with I'm.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no, let's cut the interview now.

806
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Speaker 4: I can't hear he doesn't want to wait a second congressation.

807
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Speaker 4: You don't want to join Clay on his rapidly sinking ship.

808
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Speaker 3: What a shock?

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Speaker 11: I think this far and I mean if they change now,

810
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Speaker 11: like what's the country say?

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00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 10: Like what we're now we gotta.

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Speaker 11: We were we were kind of sizing them up, you know,

813
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Speaker 11: because I mean it's always about the choice. We're sizing

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Speaker 11: them up. And now it's like somebody completely new. We

815
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Speaker 11: got five months to figure this out. I mean maybe,

816
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Speaker 11: but my gut tells me. And and look, I wasn't

817
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Speaker 11: necessarily there a few months ago. I thought, you know,

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Speaker 11: will they will they bump him out for someone else

819
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Speaker 11: and put someone else in there. But now I think

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Speaker 11: it's gonna be I think it's gonna be Biden. I

821
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Speaker 11: just think it is. It's it's Scranton Joe. They'll still

822
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Speaker 11: try to play that game, and they'll still aside from

823
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Speaker 11: these two baits, probably keeping keeping them away from the

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Speaker 11: crowds as much as possible. That's my gut. And I

825
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Speaker 11: don't I don't know they have anything else. But the

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Speaker 11: scary thing is is what are they planning for September

827
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Speaker 11: in October?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: That's I don't know.

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Speaker 11: I keep coming I keep coming back to, like, you know,

831
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Speaker 11: there's something else, because if they don't get a conviction,

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Speaker 11: and these like they don't get a conviction in New York,

833
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Speaker 11: these other three cases are following apart, what are they

834
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Speaker 11: gonna do. And I keep kind of racking my brain, like,

835
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Speaker 11: what what is it?

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, Jim, see see, I see this as

837
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Speaker 4: first of all, you know you're right because you're.

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Speaker 3: Agreeing with me.

839
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Speaker 4: And I've been right all along, which is that Biden's

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Speaker 4: going to be the nominee.

841
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Speaker 3: And everyone says, oh, no.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be some other person. I'm like, no, it's

843
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Speaker 4: gonna be Biden, and sure enough it will be. But

844
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Speaker 4: I I also agree with you that they're not just

845
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Speaker 4: gonna go off to the election as things stand now,

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Speaker 4: because I think even if they got a conviction in

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Speaker 4: New York, I think the numbers might go even deeper

848
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Speaker 4: in the positive column for Trump. I mean, I think

849
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Speaker 4: it could blow up even more in their face. So

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Speaker 4: they're gonna pull something else. And I can't think of

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Speaker 4: what it is off that out of my head. But

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm certainly not not celebrating early. Just before

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Speaker 4: we let you go, Congressman, we'll run up against the clock.

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Speaker 4: You know, do you have much of a sense of

855
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Speaker 4: does the VP really matter? And and do you have

856
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Speaker 4: a VP that you think is the right choice for

857
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Speaker 4: the Trump ticket.

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Speaker 10: I like all the people he's talking to you.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I really like Sarah Huckaby saying I don't

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Speaker 11: know if she's on the kind of the list, but

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Speaker 11: I like a lease, he's a colleague of ours. She's

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Speaker 11: been tremendous. Tim Scott Mark, I ask your question.

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Speaker 4: I actually I want to jump in. Really, is alas

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Speaker 4: a conservative? Is alsa?

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Speaker 3: She's been.

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Speaker 10: She's been solid. She's been really solid.

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Speaker 11: I mean, we worked well together back in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 11: on defending President Trump during impeachment when they did the

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Speaker 11: crazy impeachment thing on the Intel Committee and because then

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Speaker 11: then Leader McCarthy put me on the Intel Committee for

871
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Speaker 11: two months during during the impeaching process. So, uh, yeah,

872
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Speaker 11: she's been she's been tremendous. So but I think this

873
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 11: is all about President Trump.

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 10: I think our team is coming. You saw that one

876
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Speaker 10: hundred thousand people wild Wood, New Jersey.

877
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Speaker 11: Like our folks are fired up, and I think it's

878
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Speaker 11: all about him. Uh And that comparison between him and

879
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Speaker 11: Joe Biden, and what a what a contrast, Holy cow,

880
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Speaker 11: what a contrast.

881
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Speaker 4: So I think ever it's been Jim Jordan always appreciated

882
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Speaker 4: you get to hang out with Clay in DC. I'll

883
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Speaker 4: be there next time. I actually don't take any excuse

884
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Speaker 4: to hang out in the swamp going on like a

885
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Speaker 4: swamp tour.

886
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Speaker 10: I really enjoy you guys show. You do a great job.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate Thank you so much. You appreciate it. Thank you, Clay.

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Speaker 3: I do love AUMs.

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Speaker 4: When we talked to Jim, he can reference other shows

890
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Speaker 4: we've done when he wasn't a guest. That's always what

891
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Speaker 4: if you want to ingratiate yourself to radio hosts, it's

892
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Speaker 4: referenced the show when you weren't a guest because you

893
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Speaker 4: were actually listening. Then we're like, oh, true, that's it's

894
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Speaker 4: totally true. By the way, it's you know, it's fantastic anyway.

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Speaker 6: You're listening to twenty four the year of impact with

896
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Speaker 6: Clay and Boch.

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Speaker 4: Could determine the well future of the Senate and maybe

898
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Speaker 4: even the future of the presidency in some way. Wisconsin

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Speaker 4: is a top battleground state, and we have the Senator

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Speaker 4: from Wisconsin, Ron Johnson with us now to talk about

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Speaker 4: that and more. Senator, thanks for staying with us through

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Speaker 4: the break. Appreciate you. Let's actually start if I can

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Speaker 4: with this. The White House is pressing Senate Democrats to

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Speaker 4: support border security bill. I'm looking at this and I'm saying,

905
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Speaker 4: hold on, this is news from today, from now. I

906
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Speaker 4: thought this went away a few weeks ago. Why is

907
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Speaker 4: Biden trying to beat this drum once again on the

908
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Speaker 4: border when we know his border is a disaster.

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Speaker 12: Well, that's why. Because the border is a disaster. And

910
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Speaker 12: unfortunately McConnell in negotiating that awful, awful bill did give

911
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Speaker 12: Democrats fairmount cover and they're using it. So I personally

912
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Speaker 12: think it's a strategic err in their part, because if

913
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Speaker 12: they do bring the bill back up for the Senate,

914
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Speaker 12: we're going to have a lot more time this time

915
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Speaker 12: round to just describe exactly how awful that bill was,

916
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Speaker 12: particularly using Chuck Schumer's quote, you know when that all collapsed.

917
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Speaker 12: You know, he was quoted in political saying we were

918
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Speaker 12: playing chess, they're playing checkers, and we got a Ukraine bill.

919
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Speaker 12: Then he went on to say, and we're in a

920
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Speaker 12: lot better shape on the border than we were three

921
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Speaker 12: months ago. So, first of all, if you're actually negotiating

922
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Speaker 12: good shape, would you rub your negotiating partner's nose and

923
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Speaker 12: the fact that they failed. And secondly, if you really

924
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Speaker 12: want to secure the border. Suppose you're doing this bill

925
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Speaker 12: to do so, you don't get the bill, and now

926
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Speaker 12: you're claiming you're better off on the border. It just

927
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Speaker 12: proves all Schumer, all the Democrats were looking for was

928
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Speaker 12: political cover. Unfortunately McConnell gave them some. But the American

929
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Speaker 12: people realize this is a disaster. Hopefully they realize that

930
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Speaker 12: Biden has all the authority he needs to secure the border.

931
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Speaker 12: Republics have been happy to strengthen that authority. What we

932
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Speaker 12: were looking for in the Republican conference, and this was

933
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Speaker 12: the breach of McConnell's leadership, is all we were looking

934
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Speaker 12: for was an enforcement mechanism to force Biden to use

935
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Speaker 12: the authority he had. Again, we just strengthened it, but

936
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Speaker 12: we weren't looking for an immigration build. Were certainly looking

937
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Speaker 12: to codify four or five thousand people a day and

938
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Speaker 12: weaken a president's authority. That that's the one part that

939
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Speaker 12: has not talked about enough, that four thousand discretionary threshold.

940
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Speaker 12: You know, four thousand migrants today the president had discretion

941
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Speaker 12: It implies the president didn't have the authority. So you're

942
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Speaker 12: basically codifying the fact that Congress didn't think he had

943
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Speaker 12: that authority, and then even worse, they take that discretion

944
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Speaker 12: away after three years. So you would have dramatically weakened

945
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Speaker 12: a president who wants to cure the board his authority

946
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Speaker 12: to do so.

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Speaker 2: You know Wisconsin, and we've got Senator Ron Johnson with

948
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Speaker 2: us here in the DC studio for Clay and Buck.

949
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Speaker 2: You know Wisconsin better than anybody. You've won a lot

950
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Speaker 2: of tough races. We're going to be up for the

951
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Speaker 2: Republican National Convention in Milwaukee. We'll talk a little bit

952
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Speaker 2: more about that here with you in a moment. What

953
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Speaker 2: are you seeing on the ground big Senate race, obviously

954
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Speaker 2: the presidential race. Trump won Wisconsin by a fingernail in

955
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, He lost to Wisconsin by a fingernail in

956
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. What makes the difference to you to putting

957
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Speaker 2: Wisconsin into the Republican camp? Because if that happens, Trump's

958
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Speaker 2: going to be the president in twenty twenty four, You're

959
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Speaker 2: going to be in the majority in the Senate.

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Speaker 3: What needs to happen? What are you telling the team?

961
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Speaker 3: What are you seeing?

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Speaker 12: Well, what I'm seeing is that Democrats know that it's

963
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Speaker 12: going to be a tough race for them. Which is

964
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Speaker 12: why Biden and Harris have been in the state a lot,

965
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Speaker 12: primarily talking about abortion. So they are desperate to turn

966
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Speaker 12: the election Wisconsin all about the abortion issue, which they've

967
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Speaker 12: done very effectively. I think it's private coross Us the

968
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Speaker 12: governor's race in twenty twenty two, the Wisconsin's Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: They're very effective.

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Speaker 12: It's scaring Wisconsin nice that the Republem's going to take

971
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Speaker 12: away their abortion rights. And what is amazing to me

972
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Speaker 12: is to cover the mainstream media gives them the refuse

973
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Speaker 12: to report on the fact that its Democrats that have

974
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Speaker 12: the extreme position on abortion abortion up to the moment

975
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Speaker 12: of birth, whereas Republicans Assembly passed a bill that would

976
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Speaker 12: have sent it to the voters a referendum on protecting

977
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Speaker 12: life after fourteen weeks, which is where most of the

978
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Speaker 12: American public truly is. I mean, they most Americans do

979
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Speaker 12: want a woman to be able to make that decision

980
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Speaker 12: up to a point, and the point is generally about

981
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Speaker 12: fourteen weeks. About ninety percent of abortions occurred before that.

982
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Speaker 12: So you know, the press always reports that Republems want

983
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Speaker 12: to ban abortion. Now, listen, there's part of our party

984
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Speaker 12: that wants to absolutely ban I think most of us

985
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Speaker 12: would like to not ever see abortions, but that's not

986
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Speaker 12: the ree houry situation. So in supporting like a twenty

987
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Speaker 12: week or fifteen week or fourteen or six week, I

988
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Speaker 12: mean you can seeing the fact that it's some up

989
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 12: to some point that's going to be a woman to

990
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 12: sign that make that decision. But at some point society

991
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Speaker 12: has responsibility to protect life. And so from my standpoint,

992
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Speaker 12: it's not a banning abortions, about protecting life after a

993
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Speaker 12: certain point and speaking down to me. The media reports

994
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Speaker 12: though it's Republicans want to ban abortion, and they are

995
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Speaker 12: completely signed on the fact that Democrats would allow infanticide,

996
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Speaker 12: which is basically what happens. So, I mean, I point

997
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Speaker 12: this out all the time in presconsasines in Wisconsin. The

998
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 12: will never point out, They'll never mention that when I

999
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Speaker 12: say it's Democrats have extreme position on abortion because they

1000
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Speaker 12: want to cover for him.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Senator you're

1002
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Speaker 4: hopefully soon to be colleague, Eric Huvedy has been on

1003
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 4: with us a number of times against Senator Tammy Baldwin. Right,

1004
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 4: he's the one who is trying to try to defeat

1005
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 4: her for that seat. She has held it for a

1006
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Speaker 4: few decades now, right, I mean she has been in

1007
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Speaker 4: politics her entire life. What is this state of the

1008
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 4: Wisconsin Democrat Party machinery? I mean, how can they keep

1009
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 4: some pretty unimpressive people. I mean, look at look at

1010
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 4: senator the senator they have on the Democrats side. Look

1011
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 4: at the who's your governor right now? I assume he's

1012
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 4: a Democrat leads.

1013
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Speaker 3: Crane.

1014
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 4: How are they able to get these kinds of uh A,

1015
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 4: very unimpressive people in these positions in Wisconsin? I mean,

1016
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Speaker 4: what what is it that the Democrats are doing well?

1017
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Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, you know, how what do you have

1018
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 4: to know to be able to beat this machine they

1019
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 4: have in the state of Wisconsin.

1020
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 12: Again, they have the media in their back pocket. Okay,

1021
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 12: but I remember Senator to me always used to describe

1022
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Speaker 12: Pennsylvania as Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between. And

1023
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Speaker 12: you know, I think a lot of states are like that.

1024
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Speaker 12: They've got we've got our metropolitan areas that are heavily blue,

1025
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Speaker 12: and you've got you know, red counties, red cities throughout

1026
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 12: the states. So it's just a lot easier for Democrats

1027
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 12: to go mind votes in Madison Milwaukee based on a

1028
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 12: ginda issue like abortion. That's what they did during the

1029
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Speaker 12: Supreme Court race.

1030
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Speaker 3: For sure. We've got to go into every.

1031
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 12: Little small town throughout Wisconsin and get every possible. It's

1032
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 12: a much more difficul task. So you know, the way

1033
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Speaker 12: I did it is I just traveled tirelessly all of

1034
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Speaker 12: the state. You know, bus tours, that type of thing

1035
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 12: every linking day, dinner, dairy breakfast, which is something unique

1036
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 12: and wonderful about Wisconsin, these dairy breakfast in June. You

1037
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 12: just got to work the state really hard and go everywhere,

1038
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Speaker 12: go absolutely everywhere.

1039
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Speaker 2: We're gonna get a bunch of beers with you in

1040
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Speaker 2: Milwaukee during the course of the Republican National Convention, hopefully.

1041
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: How concerned are you about Democrat left wing activists coming in.

1042
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: We feel like it's going to happen in Chicago, but

1043
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: that's a negative for them if they could somehow disrupt

1044
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: the Republican National Convention and so chaos turned that into

1045
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: the story as opposed to what's actually taking place there.

1046
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: How concerned are you about it? How well do you

1047
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: think Milwaukee will be able to handle some of those

1048
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: protesters should they come.

1049
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 12: Well, I'm highly concerned now that I've seen the security

1050
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 12: plan which was developed for the DNC convention that was

1051
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 12: going to take place in the twenty So they developed

1052
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 12: this plan, you know, based on seeking services criteria before

1053
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 12: the summer of twenty twenty riots, okay, BLM, Antifa riots.

1054
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 12: So they're coming up with the exact same plan. We

1055
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Speaker 12: have this park a block away from the convention site.

1056
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Speaker 12: The initial plan showed the entrance for the convention two entrances,

1057
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Speaker 12: one north, one south on the streets adjacent to this park.

1058
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Speaker 12: There won't be fences around this park. This'll be just

1059
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 12: a gathering spot for mayhem. Yeah, completely uncontrolled. So when

1060
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 12: I saw that, I know the R and C was

1061
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Speaker 12: concerned about that. They'd raise the issue. They weren't getting

1062
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Speaker 12: any traction. So I met with the director of the

1063
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Speaker 12: Secret Service last week. What's bizarre about that meeting is

1064
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 12: again they set the plan. They had the authority to

1065
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 12: create this plan, but now she says she doesn't have

1066
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Speaker 12: the authority to change it.

1067
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Speaker 3: Who does have the authority? I would think she well

1068
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Speaker 3: President Biden.

1069
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Speaker 12: Certainly President Biden would have the authority to tell his

1070
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Speaker 12: you know, Secretary of may Archus of DHS Hotel, Director

1071
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Speaker 12: of the Secret Service. Let's make sure we don't have

1072
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 12: problems in Milwaukee. We don't have problems in Chicago either.

1073
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Speaker 12: The difference is in Chicago you have the United Center.

1074
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Speaker 12: It's completely surrounded by private parking lots, so you won't

1075
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Speaker 12: be able to get a protest zone close to that site.

1076
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Speaker 12: We got one to block away right now, and that's

1077
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Speaker 12: got to change.

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Speaker 4: Senator Ron Johnson, everybody, Senator, always appreciate you, sir, thanks

1079
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Speaker 4: for being here with us.

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Speaker 12: Appreciate what you guys do.