1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 2: Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: and we are so excited about what that means for 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: the future of the show. 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 3: This is the only place where you can find honest 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 3: perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 7 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 3: not exist anywhere else. 8 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: So if that is something that's important to you, please 9 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: go to Breakingpoints dot com. Become a member today and 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad free 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: and all put together for you every morning in your inbox. 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: We need your help to build the future of independent 13 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints 14 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: dot com. Very excited now to be joined by friend 15 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: of the show, Glenn Greenwall, to talk about the media 16 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: environment and how it may resemble the war in Iraq. 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: To Glenn, of course, was one of the people fighting 18 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 3: against the administration exposing the truth there at the time, 19 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: and so can see a lot of these parallels. Glenn, 20 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: one of the things we wanted to start with here 21 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: is your observation about how the US media organizations are 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: used as tools of Israel and the US intelligence community. 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: as you note we have two side by side stories yesterday. 25 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: One is Iran is eager to negotiate with the US 26 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: and Israel to end the war, but CNN says Iran 27 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: refuses to negotiate while under attack until his retaliation against 28 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: Israel is completed. As you say, disinformation is always a 29 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: weapon of war and lets people believe what they want. So, 30 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 3: given your experience now covering so much of these psyops 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: and others by the intelligence community by various foreign governments, 32 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: what can we tell the audience about the warnings for 33 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: how to navigate this very difficult information environment. 34 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think usually now people are trained 35 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 4: to understand that if they're getting some claim that is 36 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 4: laundered through the media from anonymous sources, that it's often 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 4: necessary to apply skepticism to it. People have warned that 38 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: lesson Well, but when it comes time to war, especially 39 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 4: when the governments are selling wars to people, when they're 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: attempting to scare them into supporting a war, skepticism is 41 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 4: almost not even enough. You have to kind of begin 42 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: by disbelieving what it is you're being told, knowing how 43 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 4: often almost automatically disinformation is deliberately deployed. So it is 44 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 4: a weapon of war. It's something that every government at 45 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 4: war does. And we've seen over and over that our 46 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: corporate media is not just incapable of guarding against it, 47 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 4: but eager to participate in its dissemination. And that's the 48 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: reason we've been deceived so many times into wars. 49 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 5: And so you have to look. 50 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: Back at history to get a guide for how to 51 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 4: navigate what you're seeing currently. 52 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the number of conflicting reports that come out. 53 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: I mean, even if you like, outside of this administration, 54 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 2: the number of reports we got from Barock revied about 55 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: how Biden was super super mad at Netnyahoo and then 56 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 2: Trump comes into office and he's also super super mad. 57 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 5: At net Yahoo. 58 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: And you know, I think to your point, especially when 59 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: you have the Trump administration just admitting that they lied 60 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: to the Iranians, the American people, to the world about 61 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: their intent to go forward with negotiations as a ruse 62 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: to create an element of surprise for these Israeli attacks. 63 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: Whatever credence you were giving them previously has to be 64 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 2: completely thrown out the window at this point. 65 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, even there, I mean, that is what 66 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 4: the United States is claiming. That is what Donald Trump 67 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 4: is claiming, because I do believe that's what happened. 68 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 6: I do believe, at least recently, that the. 69 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 4: US was negotiating with Iran and leading them to believe 70 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: that they still wanted a diplomatic solution as a way 71 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 4: of getting Iran to believe no attack was coming to 72 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 4: let the Israelis in the US attack them with surprise. 73 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: But it's not. 74 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 6: But let's assume that isn't the case. 75 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 4: Let's assume that what happened was what they made to 76 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 4: look like what happened, which is that the US was saying, no, 77 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: don't do this, and then Israel went and did it anyway, 78 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 4: meaning defy Trump's orders, humiliated the United States, humiliated Donald 79 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: Trump by ruining his diplomatic attempts after he told Israel not. 80 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: To do it. 81 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 4: Even then, what would Trump do. He wouldn't stand up 82 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 4: and admit that net Yahu humiliated him. They would probably 83 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: have an interest US officials would in pretending that Trump 84 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: was in on that plan all along, that he wasn't 85 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: surprised by it, or defied that this was actually Trump's war. 86 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: And he's been speaking that way all the time, And 87 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: I think I'm so glad you mentioned Barrock reviieve because 88 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: he's such a perfect example of the kind of skepticism 89 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: that we ought to have. This is a person who's 90 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: an Israeli citizen. He was in the Idea Reserves until 91 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. He worked in their most notorious intelligent unit, 92 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 4: and he has become basically the go to reporter for 93 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 4: understanding us is really relations because he just takes whatever 94 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: he's told to write down from both governments and goes 95 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: and prints it completely uncritically. And he won the White 96 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 4: House Journalism Award for doing so, which reflects the kind 97 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 4: of stenographic function that they continue to see themselves in, 98 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 4: especially when it comes to foreign policy and wards. They 99 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 4: don't question the government. They're there to publish what they're 100 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 4: told and to stand on the side of the government. 101 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 4: And that's what makes this combination of politics and media 102 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 4: propaganda so potent and so dangerous. 103 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: Well, it's actually kind of a useful function if you 104 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 2: know that's what he's doing. It's actually usefully Okay, Well, 105 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: this is what they want us to believe. 106 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 5: This is what they're trying to sell to the public. 107 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: But it has to be read through that particular lens 108 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: before we transition to talking about some of the Iraq 109 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: War parallels and like lessons learned from that era, because 110 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: some of the similarities are really really You talked about 111 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: President Trump like trying and you know, people trying to 112 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: scare us into war. 113 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 5: This is scaring me, but not in the direction of war. 114 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: He posted this long text that he got from Mike Huckabee, 115 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: who is this, you know, evangelical End Times believer who 116 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: also happens to be r US Ambassador to Israel. And 117 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: so Trump posted on true Social this what they describe 118 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: as a powerful message that he received from Mike Huckabee 119 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: that reads, mister President, God spared you in Butler, Pennsylvania 120 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: to be the most consequential president in a century, maybe ever. 121 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: The decisions on your shouldiers shoulders I would not want 122 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: to be made by anyone else. You have many voices 123 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: speaking to you, sir, but there is only one. 124 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 5: Voice that matters. His voice. 125 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: I am your appointed servant in this land, and I 126 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: am available for you. But I do not try to 127 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: get in your presence often because I trust your instincts. 128 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: No president in my lifetime has been in a position 129 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: like yours, not since Truman in nineteen forty five. I 130 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: don't reach out to persuade you, only to encourage you. 131 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 2: I believe you will hear from heaven, and that voice 132 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: is far more important than mine or anyone else's. You 133 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: sent me to Israel to be your eyes, ears, and 134 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: voice and make sure our flag flies above our embassy. 135 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: My job is to be the last one to leave. 136 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: I will not abandon this post. Our flag will not 137 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: come down. You did not seek this moment. This moment 138 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: sought you. It as my honor to serve you. Your 139 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: thoughts about that. 140 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 4: Well, it's not just alarming that Hackabee wrote that, but 141 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 4: that Trump took it and himself published it because Trump 142 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 4: clearly believes it to be true. You know, I heard 143 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: from a lot of people that everybody, I think, assume 144 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 4: that Trump's marching around as some sort of evangelical Christian 145 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 4: for most of his political career was a ruse. But 146 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: I heard from a lot of people who know Trump 147 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 4: very well that, especially after that assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania, 148 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: which admittedly, you know, was something that I think would 149 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 4: transform anybody coming that close to death but avoiding it, 150 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 4: that he really did become convinced that there was some 151 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: divine intervention that saved him for a reason, and it's 152 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 4: so ironic that we're hearing that the reason Ron is 153 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 4: own dangerous is because they're a theocratic regime that doesn't 154 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 4: care about anything other than the belief that God is 155 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 4: telling them what to do. 156 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 5: When that not. 157 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: Only obviously effects in shapes Israel's foreign Paul, but I 158 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 4: think it's shaping Donald Trump's as well. And I think 159 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: what it's really alarming is if you look at what 160 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: Trump has been saying the last twenty four to forty 161 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: eight hours, he's clearly trying to at least send the signal, 162 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: whether it's to Ron or Israel or to whomever, that 163 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: he is about to do something of historic proportions, which 164 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: is what bb net Yahoo thinks about himself as well. 165 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: They're both people in their mid to eight seventies, which 166 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 4: is when they start thinking about how their thought of 167 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 4: once they're dead, not what the rest of us have 168 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: to deal with as a result of their decisions. And 169 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 4: I think the kind of mindset that they're in now, 170 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 4: as evidence by Trump posting that Huckabee email, is one 171 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: that is genuinely alarming and dangerous. And I say that 172 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 4: as somebody who's not typically alarmed moved. 173 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely right, Glenn. 174 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: And you know what really strikes me with the Bush 175 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: parallel and Iraq, this is a good transition. Is one 176 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 3: of the things that really struck me in reading a 177 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: lot about Bush is he really believed that he'd been 178 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: saved from addiction and like put on this earth and 179 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: sent to the White House to save the United States 180 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: during nine to eleven. And that really was a huge 181 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: impact on why he decided to go into the war 182 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: in Iraq. And so, you know, bringing this like full 183 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: circle is not only that the media aspect here, but 184 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: what drives me crazy, and I'm sure it must do 185 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: as well, is we have the same actors in the 186 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: literally the same people who led us into the war 187 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: in Iraq now really repeating so many of the same 188 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: things we had Ari Fleischer talking about Tucker Carlson and hey, 189 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: this is the guy who lied from the White House 190 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: podium about weapons of mass destruction. Glenn Beck, who was 191 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: on television talking about how America would be greeted as liberators. 192 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: He apologized in twenty fourteen, But you know, Glenn, he's 193 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: back now to actually saying actually, this time around, they're 194 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: going to be greeted as liberators. 195 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that and we'll get your reaction. 196 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 7: Has Israel asked us to fight their war? 197 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 6: Answer? 198 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 7: No, is this another Iraq or is it something entirely different? Well, 199 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 7: let me tell you what makes this moment unlike anything 200 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 7: else we have faced before. First, this was not a 201 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 7: call to war. This was not a land invasion. This 202 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 7: is not a campaign to Toppola regime and then sit 203 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 7: around for twenty years trying to rebuild a culture that 204 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 7: doesn't want what we have. Even though Iran, the Iranian 205 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 7: people are good people, the Persians are great people, and 206 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 7: they do want a life like ours. But this was targeted. 207 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 7: This was surgical. This was preemptive, not against an idea, 208 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 7: not against a guess, against the very real, very stated 209 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 7: intentions of a regime run by men who do not 210 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 7: think like we think. Okay, they do not want what 211 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 7: we want. We choose life, They literally choose death. These 212 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 7: are twelvevers. They are followers of a branch of Sied 213 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 7: Islam that believes not just in the return of the 214 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 7: messianic figure called the Mahadi, but also that is return 215 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 7: can and must be. In their words, hastened or accelerated, 216 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 7: And the only way to do that is to quote 217 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 7: using their words, wah, the world in blood. Okay, I 218 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 7: think I'm out at that. You know, that's the first 219 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 7: stop on the train, and I'm like, I'm gonna get 220 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 7: off here please. 221 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: They hate our way of life there they choose I mean, 222 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: this is three This is the same thing. You could 223 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 3: probably copy and paste that and except this time they're 224 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: different because they're Persian, which by the way, is very 225 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: racist against Arabs. 226 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: But it's like, what are we doing here, Gwen? 227 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 4: Also, isn't it kind of ironic that we're supposed to 228 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: be scared of Arod because they have a Messionic religious 229 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 4: belief and like a third of the Congress wants to 230 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 4: arm and support Israel no matter what because of their 231 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: Messionic view that doing so is necessarily for the return 232 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 4: of Jesus, Who's then gonna send all Jews and other 233 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 4: believers to help. But that's a little detail that Israel 234 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 4: as a mind because they don't actually believe that, and 235 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 4: they're happy for the support. But you know, Sagar, the 236 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 4: thing is like the comparison with Iran with the Rock 237 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 4: route there, despite it not being planned originally as a 238 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: regime chain or a ground of asion. Is so obvious, right, 239 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 4: Like we're being told the reason we have to start 240 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 4: this war, which is a war that the United States 241 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 4: and Israel started, not wrong. It is because they were 242 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 4: developing extremely dangerous new grow weapon, and they're so psychotic 243 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 4: and dictatorial and unhinged that we can't allow them to 244 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 4: have a new core weapon, which is exactly how the 245 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 4: war in I Rock was justified. And I honestly did. 246 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: Of course I knew that from the start. When you 247 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 4: go back and look at the speeches and you see 248 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: that the exact same people are uttering the exact same phrases, 249 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 4: it's not even an attempt to modify the script a 250 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 4: little bit, you know. Just as one example, George Bush's 251 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 4: big speech in October, in October and September seventh, rather 252 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: than two thousand and two and in Cincinnati was yes, 253 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 4: we can't give you proof that Iraq has newcre weapons, 254 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 4: but you don't want the smoking gun to be in 255 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 4: the form of a mushroom cloud over your city. 256 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 6: Ted Cruz went on. 257 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 4: Fox News and said exactly the same thing when asked 258 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: about proof that Iran has new weapons. And this is 259 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: what's scary is a week ago, every MAGA person, basically 260 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 4: every person, if you showed them. Look, Israel has been 261 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 4: saying for thirty years that Iran is a week away 262 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 4: or a month away or a year away from newcre weapons, 263 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 4: and it never turned out to be true. Would say, yeah, 264 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: we're not going to fall for that again the bombs 265 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 4: start dropping, Trump's involved, everybody wants to cheer for it, 266 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 4: and so you just get them on. 267 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 6: A silver potter. 268 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: This obviously bullshit excuse, which is that Iran has an 269 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 4: active nucro weapons program, which Tolsey Gabert herself set three 270 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 4: months ago, is the consensus of the intelligence community is untrue. 271 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 4: And now it's just the assumption within every media discussion 272 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 4: that Iron is pursuing newcrow weapons And the only question 273 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: is do you want to go to word to stop 274 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 4: them or do you want to let. 275 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 6: Them have it. 276 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 4: It's mind blowing how propaganda works, even if it's identical 277 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 4: to the one that twenty five years ago we all 278 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 4: watch proved to be completely disgraced and de bonked. 279 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 5: That is absolutely right. 280 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: And you know another person who was at the scene 281 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: of the crime last time as well, Baby Natan Yahoo 282 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: here's a little flashback to the case he was making 283 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: at the time, and this. 284 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 8: Is a tyrant who is feverishly trying to acquire nuclear weapons, 285 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 8: and today the United States must destroy the same regime 286 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 8: because a nuclear arms Saddam will place the security of 287 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 8: our entire world at risks. Is simply. 288 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 9: Not reflecting the reality to assume that Saddam isn't feverishly 289 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 9: working to develop nuclear weapons as if you take out 290 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 9: Saddam Saddam's regime, I guarantee you that it will have 291 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 9: enormous positive reverberations on the region. Principles of real estate 292 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 9: the three l's, location, location, location, The three principles of 293 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 9: winning the War on Terror are the three w's, winning, winning, 294 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 9: and winning. The more victories you amass, the easier the 295 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 9: next victory becomes. The first victory in Afghanistan makes a 296 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 9: second victory in Iraq that much easier. The second victory 297 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 9: in Iraq will make the third victory that much being 298 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 9: less than dismantling his regime will do. 299 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: If you take out Saddam, I guarantee you it will 300 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: have enormous positive reverberations on the region because he's feverishly 301 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 2: working to develop nuclear weapons. 302 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 4: You know, I think there's so many interesting parts to 303 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 4: that testimony that you show that even though just those 304 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: excerpts that I think are self evident. But you notice 305 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: at the end too, he said, the more you win, 306 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 4: the easier the wins become. So the first one in 307 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: Afghanistan will make the second win in Iraq all the easier. 308 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 4: And then of course we didn't win in either, and 309 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 4: then he said that second win will make the third 310 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 4: win easier. Still, what did he mean by the third win? 311 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 4: NEO cons at that point and into two thousand and 312 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 4: three and four were very open about the fact that 313 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 4: they didn't want to stop at Baghdad. You know, there 314 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 4: was that phrase that was leaked by Karl Rove or 315 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: somebody like that, Paul Wolfowood saying, real men go to Tehran. 316 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 4: The plan always was was to go top Wol Sadam 317 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: and then go get regime change in Iran. And I 318 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: think that's the other point that we have to be 319 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 4: so aware of. Glenn Back said, this time it's not 320 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 4: about regime change. Why are they bombing Tehran? Then there 321 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: are no nuclear facilities in Tehran. Why did Trump order 322 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 4: sixteen million people to evacuate Tehran, and so they're going 323 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 4: to destroy Tehran where there's no nuclear facilities there either. 324 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: It's because this is a regime change where they want 325 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 4: to change the regime of Iran. They want to turn 326 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 4: it into Syria where they just have a collapse in 327 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: the central government. All these factions being backed by the 328 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: CIA and the massade trying to take over Iran where 329 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 4: at the very least rendering Iran impudent and letting Israel 330 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 4: control the entire Middle East and therefore the United States 331 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: as well. That is the real goal of everything that 332 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: they're doing. And so maybe it'll end quickly if Trump 333 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 4: drops you know, the biggest problems we have on every 334 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: population center, or maybe it'll lead to troops having to 335 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 4: be activated if roon attacks are troops in responseive oil facility. 336 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 4: You don't know once you and lisha war like this 337 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 4: what the results are going to be. And that was 338 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 4: what we learned from a rack, and we were told 339 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 4: it would take two weeks to. 340 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: Get rid of Saddam. Is you know, Glenn, this is 341 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: my final question here. I think they've won. 342 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: I think the neocons have won, and I do I mean, look, 343 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: I could be totally wrong. There could be some last 344 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: minted thing, but I do think the US is going 345 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: to get offensively involved. At this point, I have very 346 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: very little hope, So I do know that at least 347 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: something is going to happen. Fortyh order consequences always do, 348 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: and the neocons are going to run away from that. 349 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: And since we were somehow unsuccessful in holding them to 350 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 3: account over the last twenty five years, what can we 351 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: do differently to hold these people to account and actually 352 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: tie them to their decisions or is that just structurally 353 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: impossible here in Washington, DC. 354 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 4: That was the other thing that I really struck me 355 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 4: saga as we prepared our own show last night, going 356 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 4: through these two two and two thousand and three interviews. 357 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 4: The people who went on television and just hold out 358 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: right lives and the most assertive authoritative for impossible, none 359 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 4: of them had their careers even remotely impeded, lit alone destoryed. 360 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 4: In fact, they all continue to thrive to this very day. 361 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 4: There's still the ones making the decisions, there's still the 362 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: ones in charge. 363 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: And one of the. 364 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: Things that I thought would at least be promising this 365 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 4: time was that there's this big section of MAGA that 366 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 4: would turn against Trump if he actually got the the 367 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 4: country involved in a major war with Iran on behalf 368 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 4: of Israel, and you're already saying, like, one of the 369 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 4: reasons Trump came out yesterday and publicly scorned and humiliated 370 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson was it was a message to everybody, Look, 371 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 4: if you even think about raising your voice against me, 372 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 4: you will be out. We're going to exclude you from BAKA. 373 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 4: You will no, I'm going to be welcome with the 374 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 4: White House. You'll have no influence. It was a way 375 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: of keeping them all into line. And you're already seeing 376 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 4: many of them who had been saying don't go to 377 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 4: war with Iran or it's going to riud your presidency 378 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 4: snapping into line and saying, you know what, I trust 379 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 4: President Trump. I'm sure he's going to do the right thing. 380 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 4: We need to get rid of this regime. And I 381 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 4: don't see any hope of that happening. 382 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: Yes, unfortunately, Charlie Kirk last night goes on and oh, 383 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: I trust President Trump. 384 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 5: He was made for this moment. I'm sure it's going 385 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 5: to all work out great. 386 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and very few people like Tucker has 387 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: his own you know, bas of support and is independent whatever. 388 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: There are very few people in the right wing ecosystem 389 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: who can exist outside of just like Trump support. So yeah, 390 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna take that message in Glenn, thank 391 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: you so much. You've been doing incredible work here. I 392 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: also would love for people we were originally booked you 393 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: to talk about Palenteer. You got to still do that 394 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: in the future. 395 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: You got to come back. They matter. Hey, business is 396 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: going to boom for them. 397 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all my natures here in Virginia, they're 398 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: all about to get filthy rich, so I guess we 399 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: can all be. 400 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: They also sponsored that great military parade over the weekend too, 401 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: So thanks are thanks are things are looking good for 402 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: them and Locky an the others. 403 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 5: Yep, all right, Glenn, great to see you. 404 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: Take care, Great to see you guys. 405 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 6: Bye. 406 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: So we've been covering here. Outside of the potential war 407 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 2: with a Ron, there are a couple other stories that 408 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: we've been covering. One of them is the assassination of 409 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: this Minnesota state Democratic lawmaker and the attempted assassination of 410 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: another Minnesota state Democratic lawmaker. The suspect has now been 411 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: apprehended after a multi day manhunt. More on that in 412 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: a moment when I go ahead and show you, this 413 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 2: is the acting US Attorney Thompson detailing some of the 414 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: events that unfolded, some quite extureder information here. 415 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 5: Let's go out and take a listen. 416 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 10: After shooting Senator Hoffman and his wife, Belter traveled to 417 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 10: the home of another Minnesota state representative in Maple Grove, Minnesota. 418 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 10: Video surveillance showed that Belter rang the doorbell at the 419 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 10: state representative's house at approximately two twenty four am on 420 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 10: Friday night. Again, he was dressed as a law enforcement officer, 421 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 10: wearing a tactical vest and body armor, carrying a handgun 422 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 10: and a flashlight, and wearing that same hyper realistic silicon mask. 423 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 10: The images, as you can see on the screen are haunting. Unfortunately, 424 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 10: the state representative was not home. She and her family 425 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 10: were gone on vacation, and so Belter left. Belter then 426 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 10: traveled to the home of a Minnesota state senator who 427 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 10: lived in New Hope, Minnesota. He parked in the street 428 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 10: in that same black SUV with the police license plate 429 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 10: at about two thirty six am on Friday night. After 430 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 10: learning of the shooting of Senator Hoffman, New Hope police 431 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 10: dispatched an officer to conduct a wellness check on the 432 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 10: state senator who lived in New Hope. When the New 433 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 10: Hope officer arrived at the scene, she saw Belter's black 434 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 10: SUV parked down the block with the lights on. The 435 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 10: New Hople police officer believed that Belter was a police 436 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 10: officer who had been dispatched to the scene to check 437 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 10: on the staff of the state senator. The New Whole 438 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 10: police officer pulled up next to Belter in his car, 439 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 10: rolled down her window, and attempted to speak with him. 440 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 10: Belter did not respond, according to the officer, he just 441 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 10: sat there and stared straight ahead. So the New Whole 442 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 10: police officer, who had been dispatched to the scene, proceeded 443 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 10: to the state senator's home and she waited for other 444 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 10: law enforcement to arrive. When they did. By the time 445 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 10: they did, Belter had left the scene. 446 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: Belcher had tried to kill four different Minnesota state Democratic 447 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: lawhankers and at one of them. So the police officer 448 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: shows up to do a wellness check because this guy's 449 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: on the loose and they're getting the idea of like 450 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: always targeting state elected officials. So let's go to all 451 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: the ones that are you know, in the vicinity. 452 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 5: So she shows up. 453 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: She sees him park down the street because he's in 454 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 2: this fake cop car, pulls up next to him, thinking 455 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: this is some law enforcement backup for you know, to 456 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: assist her. He just sits there, stare straight ahead, doesn't 457 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: say anything. She leaves him alone and goes and performs 458 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: this check, giving him the opportunity to escape and then 459 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: go to the next lawmaker's home, and I believe it's 460 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 2: that home where he's able to actually shoot and kill 461 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: this lawmaker and her husband. At that time, they the 462 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: law enforcement, they go on to say, shows up there 463 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: at that house where he's able to actually assassinate this lawmaker. 464 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: They exchange fire with him, and he's able to flee 465 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: on foot, leading to this again multi day manhunt. So 466 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: I think there are, to put it generously, a lot 467 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 2: of questions for the way that law enforcement handled all 468 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: of this and how this was allowed to unfold when 469 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: they had him right there and he's able not only 470 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: to escape, but he's able to go on and commit 471 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: this murder, and then they have him there and he's 472 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: able to get away on foot. The way they're able 473 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: to capture him when can put you two up on 474 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: the screen. There was a local woman who actually saw him. 475 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: He was captured very close to his home, and she 476 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: saw him crawling in the grass around her property and 477 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: alerted law enforcement that she thought this was him. At first, 478 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: she thought it was actually the cops looking for him, 479 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: and then she realized, like, no, I think that is 480 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: actually the guy. An alerted law enforcement. They're very able 481 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 2: to use drones to track him down. They found him 482 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: crawling through some underbush and some bushes and were able 483 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: to apprehend him. There's some other really troubling and eyebrow 484 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: raising details in a Wall Street Journal report as well. 485 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: Can put this next piece up on the screen. So 486 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: Belter's wife was actually stopped near a convenience store about 487 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: seventy miles north of the shootings. She had two guns, 488 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars in cash, and passports for herself and 489 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: her children in her car, a courney to federal court records. 490 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 5: Apparently she had received. 491 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: A text another fan only members as well from Belter 492 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: at six eighteen am saying quote, Dad went to war 493 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 2: last night. 494 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 5: Courty Federal court documents. 495 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: He also texted his wife to apologize, saying there's going 496 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 2: to be some people coming to the house armed and 497 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 2: trigger happy, and I don't want you guys around, according 498 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: to messages quoted in court filings, and presumably that's what 499 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: caused her to flee with firearms herself and ten thousand 500 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: dollars in cash, cash and her kids and the passports 501 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: Belter had. It was initially described as a manifesto with him. 502 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: Later details that have been revealed it wasn't so much 503 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 2: of an explanation of what his motives were of He 504 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: had a notebook with a list of targets, some sixty 505 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: lawmakers throughout I think all Democratic lawmakers throughout not only 506 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: Minnesota but some of the surrounding states. Tim Walls, ilhan 507 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: Omar were the senators. They were all on the list, 508 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: along with a number of Planned Parenthood both locations, and 509 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 2: pro choice activists. So we don't know, but it seems 510 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: like one of the motivations may have been or the 511 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: motivation may have been like anti abortion zelotry the last 512 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: piece here. There have been a lot of discussion online 513 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: about what his motivation was. The Right decided, based on 514 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: like literally nothing, that he must be a left winger. 515 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: So just so everybody's clear on how the people who 516 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: know him describe his political affiliation. This is a guy 517 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: who's described as his best friend and actually roommate. Apparently 518 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: he lived with his wife in this house, but then 519 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: also had a roommate situation another place, and that was, 520 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: you know, where this guy was who still considers him 521 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: to be his best friend, talking about how he would 522 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: be offended if people thought he was a Democrat and 523 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 2: then he was actually like an Alex Jones info warst watcher. 524 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. 525 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 11: Well, everyone's calling him a democrat. 526 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 12: Inside he would be offended if people called him a 527 00:24:51,800 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 12: democrat like Jim Jim I did, Tim Howks. But what 528 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 12: you said that, man, Well, I mean nothing for me. 529 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 12: I mean it's just normal. Well, I don't like this 530 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 12: that timwol did this. I don't like that day he 531 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 12: did that. 532 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 6: Well you you listen to info words in Wars, but. 533 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 10: I kind of toil it said, well, it's. 534 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: Like fifty percent truth. And I was a Trump supporter, 535 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: voted for Trump. 536 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 6: If you like Trump, I like Trump. 537 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 5: So there you go. That's what his roommate had to say. 538 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 2: Sober and obviously, I mean the story is important and 539 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: of itself, and also comes amid a climate of rising 540 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: political violence. We saw the president himself, you know, attempted 541 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: assassinations against him, and yeah, there's a concern that this 542 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: just becomes sort of like part of the background noise 543 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 2: of American policy. 544 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: And the plot, the plot of it is nuts. 545 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: It's also just, I mean, his behavior obviously psychotic, regardless 546 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: of his political motivations, is like pretty clear. 547 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: Lot of weird shit going on with this guy. Because 548 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: he's married, he has a roommate. It's like, what's going on. 549 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: He's sending these weird text messages, he's gearing up, and 550 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: police gears seems to have had all this crazy stuff. 551 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 5: It's something like private security. 552 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: We had a private security. 553 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: Was also evangelical minister ministering in Africa. 554 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: Check after check of psycho. 555 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: And then also apparently recent financial distress. 556 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 3: Right, so all the ingredients, I guess are there. He's 557 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: been indicted by the FEDS in terms for political assassinations, 558 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 3: so I'm sure that a lot more motivation and all 559 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 3: that will come out with him. But obviously it's horrific 560 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: and it's terrifying, and really what it does is just 561 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: it makes people afraid, especially in the public, you know, 562 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: to go out spent a time like this, this is 563 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: a time possibly of war. This is you know something 564 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: Tucker and Steve we're talking about yesterday, is like when 565 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: when it's time of war and you dissent, you're a trader. 566 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to just link the two, but 567 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say is when the tension in 568 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 3: the heat gets turned up all the way and you really, 569 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: I mean, this goes out of the conceptual and perhaps 570 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: so if it's a pro life thing, it's analogous in 571 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 3: that way. It's like, if you believe it's life or death, 572 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 3: then some people are going to take it that way, right, 573 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: I mean, if. 574 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 2: You think this is the literal like genocide of babies, 575 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 2: right told his wife dad went to war like he 576 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: sees himself as a righteous figure in this right. 577 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: And if we're involved, you know, you could see very 578 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: similar types of things or you know, very similar ideology and. 579 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: All that pervade. 580 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: So let's just stand against it and look at the 581 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: very least, you know, the Trump administment, despite early attempts 582 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 3: to say he was a right winger or a left 583 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: winger or whatever, at the least the FBI and the 584 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 3: dj are throwing the book at him for right now. 585 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a good sign. 586 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, all right. 587 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: We've got the Attorney General of California standing by Sagastranto 588 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: appointments that I'm going to conduct this interview but have 589 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: a lot of questions for him about this lawsuit against 590 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 2: the Trump administration with regard to federalizing the National Guard. 591 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: Hearings happened to happen today, so let's go ahead and 592 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: get to that. 593 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 5: So, as I was just. 594 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: Mentioning, there is are hearings today in the state of 595 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 2: California's ongoing lawsuit against the Trump administration over their decision 596 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: to federalize National Guard troops and also to call up 597 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: active duty marines, some several hundred to respond to protest 598 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 2: activity in and around LA. Can go ahead and put 599 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: this tear sheet up on the screen. Appeals Court has 600 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: temporarily blocked the initial Federal District Court judges ruling to 601 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: return control of National Guard to California, joining us now 602 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: to discuss. We're very fortunate to have the Attorney General 603 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: of California, Rob Bonta. 604 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 6: Welcome, sir, Thanks for having me. Great to be with you. 605 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: So if you could just bring our audience a little 606 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: bit up to speed on this lawsuit and what is 607 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: the basis for this action. 608 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 13: Absolutely, as we know, last the weekend before this past one, 609 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 13: we saw National Guard troops be brought into Los Angeles 610 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 13: by President Trump. When they arrived on Sunday morning, it 611 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 13: was to quiet streets. We believe that there it was 612 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 13: inappropriate for him to deploy military to Los Angeles. The 613 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 13: governor and the Sheriff's Department, LA Police Department, and mutual 614 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 13: aid agencies in the surrounding areas had everything under control. 615 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 13: And the President has invoked a statute which requires the 616 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 13: presence of a rebellion or an invasion, or the inability 617 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 13: to execute the federal law to be able to deploy 618 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 13: the National Guard. None of those things exist, and it's 619 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 13: just defies credulity to suggest that they do it. Also, 620 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 13: the law also requires the cooperation and consent of the 621 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 13: governor to deploy the National Guard. So the circumstances that 622 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 13: are required for the President to deploy the National Guard 623 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 13: to Los Angeles weren't present, and we brought a lawsuit 624 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 13: on the following Monday. 625 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 6: We brought a temporary restraining order. 626 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 13: The following Tuesday, and on that the Thursday following, we 627 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 13: had an order from the. 628 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 6: Federal District Court judge that said two things. 629 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 13: One that the President violated the federal law and also 630 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 13: violated the US Constitution, violating the states rights of the 631 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 13: Great State of California, and he was ordered the President 632 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 13: was ordered to return the control of the National Guard 633 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 13: to Governor Newsom. The federal government appealed right away to 634 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 13: the Ninth Circuit. The Ninth Circuit issued what's called an 635 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 13: administrative stay. It's procedural while they review the merits. They 636 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 13: are going to have a hearing today at noon to 637 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 13: consider those merits. It's all on shortened time. It's being 638 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 13: done quickly because of the urgency of the matter and 639 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 13: the harm that California faces. 640 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 6: So we're hoping for. 641 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 13: A positive ruling today. We believe we will prevail when 642 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 13: we sue the Trump administration. 643 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 6: It's because we got the. 644 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 13: Receipts, we got the facts, we got the law, and 645 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 13: we think we're going to win, and so we're hopeful 646 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 13: for a favorable ruling today. 647 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: Do you expect this ultimately to end up at the 648 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: Supreme Court, And if so, are you so of tailoring 649 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: your arguments to think through how they could appeal to 650 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: various of the conservative justices. 651 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 13: In particular, we always play the long game, and you 652 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 13: know understand that the first decision might not be the 653 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 13: last one. 654 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 6: That we do have a federal. 655 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 13: Court system that has an intermediate level of appellate review 656 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 13: and then ultimately the US Supreme Court. Most cases don't 657 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 13: get to the US Supreme Court, but this is one 658 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 13: that may be of interest to them. Obviously, the state 659 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 13: is watching, the nation is watching, the world is watching 660 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 13: this issue of militarizing an American city when there's no 661 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 13: basis for it and doing it over the objections of 662 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 13: a governor and the mayor of that city. So this 663 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 13: one definitely could get to the US Supreme Court. We 664 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 13: make our arguments based on what the facts in law are. 665 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 13: We realize that different judges may review those arguments and 666 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 13: balance them in different ways. But make the arguments that 667 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 13: are appropriate, that that are compelling. And we've made them 668 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 13: here to the district court judge and making them here 669 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 13: to the Ninth Circuit, and we think they're going to 670 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 13: be compelling at both levels. And if it gets this 671 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 13: case gets to the Supreme Court, we think our arguments 672 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 13: will be very persuasive and compelling there as well. 673 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: So I read through the district courts ruling and you 674 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: can correct my details on this if I don't get 675 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: the legal intricacies precisely right. But one of the questions 676 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 2: at hand here is whether there was a violation of 677 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: the Possecommatatis Act, which prohibits using the military in most 678 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: circumstances for domestic law enforcement. If we can put F 679 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: three up on the screen. So at the time of 680 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: that ruling, the judge basically said, like, listen, we don't 681 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: really have full information yet, we already have enough to 682 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: say that this is the problem and we need to 683 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: go ahead and side with the State of California without 684 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: actually having all of the information with regard to whether 685 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: or not there was a violation of Possecommatatis. Since then, 686 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 2: we've seen this video come out showing what appears to 687 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: be active duty Marines making an arrest of a civilian. Here, 688 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: my understanding is this was a man at us, actually veteran, 689 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: who took a wrong turn in trying. 690 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 5: To get to a VA appointment. 691 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: What is your understanding of the way that both the 692 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,959 Speaker 2: National Guard and the Marines have been used on the 693 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: ground since they have been you know, since they have 694 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 2: been brought into the city of. 695 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 6: La Well, thank you. 696 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 13: You know, it's all evolving, and video like this is 697 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 13: showing that evolution, and it's evolving exactly the way we 698 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 13: feared and is prohibited by the law of the United 699 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 13: States since the late eighteen hundreds, as you mentioned, that 700 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 13: passcoma Tatis Act which prohibits and prevents the US military 701 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 13: from engaging in civilian law enforcement on American soil. And 702 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 13: that means that the military of the Marines here cannot 703 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 13: participate in searches and seizures and detentions and arrests. And 704 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 13: if that is what it seems to be, the detention 705 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 13: and or arrest of a pavilion by the Marines, that 706 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 13: seems to be squarely in violation of the Posse Comma 707 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 13: Tatis Act. 708 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 6: So the Posse Commatatus Act is in full effect. 709 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,479 Speaker 13: And the National Guard and the Marines are are our 710 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 13: military entities that are not allowed to participate in. 711 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 6: Civilian law enforcement. 712 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 2: Are you are you outside of this the incident I 713 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 2: just showed. Are you aware of other incidents where either 714 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: the National Guard or the Marines have you know, have 715 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: been involved in domestic law enforcement activities or making arrest 716 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: those sorts of things. 717 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 13: There are some that we've seen, I've seen other video 718 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 13: with with some examples. Uh Secretary hegseth Uh posted a 719 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 13: a on social media, but what appeared to be Marines 720 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 13: maybe National Guard out in the field so to speak 721 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 13: with potentially an ICE agent was a little unclear what 722 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 13: he was trying to suggest. But we believe that the 723 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 13: mission of both the National Guard and the Marines is 724 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 13: to protect federal property, personnel, and functions, and that includes 725 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 13: while protecting a federal building or while out in the 726 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 13: field with ICE agents engaged in immigration enforcement, them being 727 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 13: a necessary part of those operations and taking part in 728 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 13: detentions and arrests, sarches and seizures. And so you're right 729 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 13: that the federal judge, Judge Briar punted for the time 730 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 13: being on the Postcomatatus Act because the facts were not 731 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 13: as clear or developed as he may have wanted to see, 732 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 13: and he wanted to see what the Marines were going 733 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 13: to be doing, what the National Guard we're going to 734 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 13: be doing. And we're seeing more of that now, so 735 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 13: that record is getting more clear, and it's getting clear 736 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 13: in a way that is, I think better for our argument, 737 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 13: bad for America because the military is engaged in civilian 738 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 13: law enforcement, which is prohibited. 739 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 2: Another thing that is a significant point that you raised, 740 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 2: and I think that all Americans need to be aware of, 741 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: is that the order that President Trump used to federalize 742 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 2: the National Guard was not limited, either in time or 743 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 2: in place. And in fact, since the federalizing of the 744 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 2: National Guard in California and sending them into LA, he 745 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: has escalated rhetoric about blue cities. In particular, I want 746 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: to get your reaction, guys, this is f two to 747 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: some of his recent comments in that regard. 748 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 11: I want them to focus on the cities because the 749 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 11: cities are where you really have what's called sanctuary cities, 750 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 11: and that's where the people are. I look at New York, 751 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 11: I look at Chicago. I mean, you've got a really 752 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 11: bad governor in Chicago and a bad mayor, but the 753 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 11: governor is probably the worst of the country, Pritzker. But 754 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 11: I look at how that city has been overrun by criminals. 755 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 11: And you know New York and LA. Look at La La. 756 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 11: Those people weren't from LA, they weren't from California. Most 757 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 11: of those people any of those people, And yeah, that's 758 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 11: that's the focus. Biden allowed twenty one million people to 759 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 11: come into our country. Of that, vast numbers of those 760 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 11: people were murderers, killers, people from gangs, people from jails, 761 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 11: the empty their jails out into the US. Most of 762 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 11: those people are in the cities, all blue cities, all 763 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 11: Democrat run cities, and they think they're going to use 764 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 11: them to vote. 765 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 6: It's not going to happen. 766 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 5: What is your reaction to his assertions there? 767 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 6: My god, I mean, there's so much in there. 768 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 13: You know, it's so shameless, so embarrassing, so divorced from 769 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 13: the facts, and all just rageously politicized, and you know, 770 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 13: just he just. 771 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 6: Makes it up as he talks. And you know, the. 772 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 13: Crime rates in California are much lower than many of 773 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 13: the Red states, and you know, murder rates way higher 774 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 13: many of the Red states, red cities. And you know, 775 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 13: he's trying to portray a fiction and pawn it off 776 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 13: of the American people as a truth when it's when 777 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 13: it's clearly not, and you know, to it so blatantly 778 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 13: attack blue city leaders and blue state leaders. You know, 779 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 13: he's not a president for all America. He's wants to 780 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 13: be president for half or less and wants to attack 781 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 13: transparently and vindictively everyone else in the Blue cities. He 782 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 13: can't stand the fact that he got absolutely thrashed in 783 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 13: the election by in California and that's too much, apparently 784 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 13: for his fragile ego, so he needs to try to 785 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 13: target California. It's just so inappropriate. That's not how leaders lead. 786 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 13: It's it's it's it's sophomoric and juvenile. It's like a 787 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 13: kid in the White House, unfortunately, but you know, so 788 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 13: much lack of truth there. It's just hard to take 789 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 13: the man seriously, unfortunately. But it would be laughable if 790 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 13: it wasn't so dangerous and for him to act on, 791 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 13: you know, this this political vengeance tour, this lack of 792 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 13: facts to go after certain cities and states. You're right, 793 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 13: the executive order is it was for sixty days. It 794 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 13: wasn't targeted and surgical to an incident or incidents in LA. 795 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 6: And it's nationwide. It's not just for LA. 796 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 13: I mean, what is the basis for an executive order 797 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 13: nationwide based on you know, a set of incidents that 798 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 13: we see, you know, after the Lakers win a championship, right, 799 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 13: so it's you know, he's trying to. 800 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 6: Invoke authority that gives him more power. 801 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 13: He wants the power, and when there's invasions or emergencies 802 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 13: or rebellions or insurrections, he gets more power. So he 803 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 13: says those things exist when they don't exist, clearly don't exist. 804 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty clear he's testing 805 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 2: the limits of what he can do here, what he 806 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 2: can get away with, both in terms of, like you know, 807 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 2: public support and resistance, and in terms of the judicial system. 808 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm curious if you feel like you gotten enough support 809 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 2: from other Democrats around the country, because, to be honest 810 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 2: with you, I've been a little bit disappointed in the 811 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 2: lack of vocal support and vocal resistance from elected Democrats 812 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 2: around the country, especially given the fact, I mean, he's 813 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 2: directly threatening. 814 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 5: All blue states, all blue. 815 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 2: Cities with rolling out the same playbook wherever in one 816 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 2: or whenever he wants to. 817 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 13: We've gotten some really good support on this case, and 818 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 13: Democrats are speaking up and out across the nation. I 819 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 13: know that there was some concern and views shared like yours, 820 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 13: especially as Trump took office in January twenty January twentieth, 821 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 13: but I think there's a good rhythm and a broad 822 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 13: organized group of Democrats that are fighting for the rule 823 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 13: of law, for democracy. We had democratic governors through the 824 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 13: Governors Association, every single governor signed on against this deployment 825 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 13: of the National Guard. We had democratic attorneys general write 826 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 13: an anarchist brief. We had quite amazingly retired secretaries of 827 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 13: the Army and the Navy, four star retired admirals and 828 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 13: generals who wrote an amicust brief in our favor, in 829 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 13: support of our position, saying that if the military is 830 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,439 Speaker 13: ever going to be deployed on American soil, it needs 831 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 13: to be rare and serious and legally clear, and they 832 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,839 Speaker 13: thought that those elements were not present here. So really 833 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 13: good support for our case, and I think more broadly speaking, 834 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 13: the voice of Democrats is getting louder and louder across 835 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 13: the nation. 836 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 5: Last question I have for you. 837 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 2: Trump stopped short here of invoking the Insurrection Act, and 838 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 2: so the legal grounds, of course that he invoked is 839 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 2: what's in dispute in this particular case. If he were 840 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: to invoke the Insurrection Act, do you feel like you 841 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 2: would have a case that you could make or would 842 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 2: it make all of these issues effectively null and void, 843 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 2: and he could basically do what he wants. 844 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 13: If he invokes the Insurrection Act, we'll see him at 845 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 13: court and confident we can block him. There's no basis 846 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 13: for the Insurrection Act. The only reason he's interested in 847 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 13: it is because it gives him more power, but the 848 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 13: requirements to invoke it are not present. Again, there needs 849 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 13: to be an inability with the regular forces. The statute 850 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 13: says execute the laws of the federal government. That's just 851 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 13: not present. The federal government can execute all the laws 852 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 13: it wants, or there needs to be a deprivation of 853 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 13: rights of individuals in the state where are the military 854 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 13: is being deployed. And that happened back in the sixties 855 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 13: when black Americans were being deprived of their civil rights. 856 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 13: That is not present here. So there's no basis for 857 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 13: invoking the Insurrection Act. Doesn't mean he won't try, because 858 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 13: that's what he does. He gas lights the nation and 859 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 13: says a certain set of conditions exist on the ground 860 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 13: when they don't. Because if those conditions actually existed, which 861 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,919 Speaker 13: they don't, he would be able to have more power, 862 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 13: which is what he really wants. 863 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 6: So will he try? He very well? May. 864 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 13: Are we ready absolutely and we'll be taking to court 865 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 13: and block him. 866 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 6: We're confident we can and that we will. 867 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're going to be paying close attention 868 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 2: to what unfolds in these hearings today, and California Attorney 869 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 2: General Rob Bonta, thank you so much for taking some 870 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 2: time with us today, Thanks. 871 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 6: For having me. Grateful to be with here. 872 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 2: All right, guys, thank you so much for watching. Thank 873 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 2: you so much for your continued support. We are not 874 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 2: going to be able to do the AMA live today, 875 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 2: so we're going to push it off to Ryan and Emily, 876 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 2: but I know you guys love asking them questions too. 877 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 2: They will also be all over what is unfolding with 878 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 2: the potential imminent joining of the US into that war 879 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,359 Speaker 2: with Iran, so make sure you tune in for that. 880 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 2: Until then, have a great day.