Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys apt now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. It's noon on a Tuesday inside the
Speaker 1: SWBC podcast studio here at the Beautiful Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: and it's time for another edition of Mick Shots. Mickey
Speaker 1: Spagnola is here, Bill Jones is here, Nate Newton is
Speaker 1: here for the vacationing Everson Walls. How many times can
Speaker 1: you come out of the bullpen and pitch five innings? Well,
Speaker 1: he's going back to back, Yeah, back to back days.
Speaker 1: Gonna have a sore arm. No, sir, that's what they
Speaker 1: paid men. I'm not like these new kids. This is
Speaker 1: Goose gassage. Yes, going back in the day, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll give you. He'll give you a three inning save.
Speaker 1: Back to back days. Yes, there you go. All right.
Speaker 1: You know he started with the white sex. Well we
Speaker 1: always have to bring it back to Chicago as well.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. And we're going to Chicago today.
Speaker 1: That's right, because all of a sudden, the Monsters of
Speaker 1: the Midway are aheaded to Hear noon Sunday to take
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys. They reared their bare heads last night,
Speaker 1: didn't they. Boy? So that wasn't the team we expected
Speaker 1: to say, it was not, and certainly not the offense
Speaker 1: um I would like to point out. And not only
Speaker 1: was that the highest scoring game the Bears have had
Speaker 1: since they drafted justin Fields, that was his absolute best performance,
Speaker 1: just in time to come to AT and T Stadium
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Now, I don't know if that was, you know,
Speaker 1: the blue moon but here, I don't know, but he
Speaker 1: was awfully good. There was some kind of moon out
Speaker 1: there in New England. And I've got a sportswriting college
Speaker 1: roommate retired already, but he's the biggest Bears fan ever.
Speaker 1: He was one of those guys where so John In
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four the Bears played Dotta do and he'd
Speaker 1: give me the score of the game. Right. He claims
Speaker 1: that was fields best performance of his career. And I
Speaker 1: don't think that's going out on a limb to look
Speaker 1: at what he did in that game. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: threw for one hundred and seventy nine yards, that's right,
Speaker 1: and he probably he probably hadn't done that very much.
Speaker 1: And he ran for eighty two. But here was the
Speaker 1: key thing. He was eleven of eighteen on third down
Speaker 1: and ten of those were in his hand, either running
Speaker 1: or throwing. And that's what the old regime brought him
Speaker 1: in there fourth to be a true dual threat quarterback.
Speaker 1: And this kid has figured it out. Now. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had a couple of nice reads and when he
Speaker 1: those reads wasn't there. He took the ball down and
Speaker 1: he got into the floor of a game. And what
Speaker 1: scared me, Mick, and what scared me Bill is once
Speaker 1: he really stopped feeling confident. Now, you saw, well a
Speaker 1: couple of times they had this kid totally bottled up,
Speaker 1: and like Houdini, he came out of there and got
Speaker 1: almost a ten yard loss turned into a twenty yard
Speaker 1: game for first now, and you saw his confidence started
Speaker 1: to grow. I mean, he was nonchalant during the game,
Speaker 1: not but as as the game went on, you saw
Speaker 1: him on the sideline, he kind of started being that
Speaker 1: guy we saw is it Ohio State? As I got
Speaker 1: him right right, yes, and uh, he stopped becoming that
Speaker 1: kid and boy, it's just gonna be exciting to watch
Speaker 1: him come in here and see what you do against
Speaker 1: his top ranked defense. The other thing I thought was
Speaker 1: of concern is with his eighty two yards rushing. They
Speaker 1: ran for two hundred and forty three yards. Wow. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know what New England's got, but well, New
Speaker 1: England before last night seemed to be rounding in the form. Right,
Speaker 1: New England can stop to run that don't ever ask
Speaker 1: Cleveland and asks the team before that, Detroit, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they can stop the run. Bill believes in that. Do
Speaker 1: you out of want you running in the middle. I
Speaker 1: do not want you running outside. I want to make
Speaker 1: you one dimensional. What I can ga in third and long? Well,
Speaker 1: I can put these top notch corners on you one
Speaker 1: on one. He did not allow that to happen. They
Speaker 1: stayed with the chains all night. Me well, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if the other running backs that was it
Speaker 1: Montgomery and Herbert Herbert. Yeah, if they were effective because
Speaker 1: Fields is running for eighty two yards and it kind
Speaker 1: of distracted the attention on maybe them, But that was
Speaker 1: pretty impressive running performance. Yeah. Check the history of coach Belicheu.
Speaker 1: He's nervous the only thing ever made him nervous is
Speaker 1: a running quarterback, a very athletic quarterback. Check him, check
Speaker 1: him in that and that. He'll tell you you mentioned
Speaker 1: running quarterback, and he'll say, well, just you know, he
Speaker 1: kind of muddles out. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Did you see any of his postgamee No? No? What
Speaker 1: did he say? What did he say? Oh? God? Did
Speaker 1: you did you change quarterbacks from Fields to ZAPPI from
Speaker 1: John No, I mean Jones to Zappy because of performance?
Speaker 1: That was the plan, was that the plan like to
Speaker 1: go to him so much the rest of the game.
Speaker 1: We were going to play two quarterbacks. They just kept
Speaker 1: going odd and they kept trying, and I don't think
Speaker 1: he gave one answer more than eight words. Here's here's
Speaker 1: what I loved about it. Okay, So it's only Belichick
Speaker 1: could do this or would do this. All right, So,
Speaker 1: assuming Jones is healthy, which he was because he started
Speaker 1: the game right and that was another of the questions. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: all right, So he elects to go with the quarterback
Speaker 1: who two years ago was the quarterback of a one
Speaker 1: in three Houston Baptist team in a COVID shortened year. Okay,
Speaker 1: over the guy that two years ago was the consensus
Speaker 1: All American Davey O'Brien Award winner for the national champion
Speaker 1: Crimson Tide of Alabama. And it's a meritocracy, and that
Speaker 1: it's a meritocracy. It was it was for it was
Speaker 1: for one half, right, because if you look at the
Speaker 1: two touchdowns that they scored, the kid came in and
Speaker 1: through those were like kind of one in one hundred
Speaker 1: completion passes that the guys made great catches on. And
Speaker 1: then the whole second did they even score in the
Speaker 1: second half. But Mick he went, He went against the
Speaker 1: parcels Jimmy Johnson theory. They they believe in riding the
Speaker 1: hot hand. They look at their locker rooms and see
Speaker 1: who their players, that player made that play for that kid,
Speaker 1: right receiver. Right, that ain't been happening for Jones, even
Speaker 1: though Jones has been And so what coach Belichick is
Speaker 1: gonna have with his coaching staff is who do we start.
Speaker 1: We can't. We may play this game, but we know
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work because you're gonna split your locker room.
Speaker 1: You're gonna this ain't what we have over here with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys where it is a big difference. This kid
Speaker 1: is winning, and he's winning by him, not not He's
Speaker 1: not the problem that how you put that, He's winning
Speaker 1: because he is he Okay, he makes no mistakes. It
Speaker 1: ain't no. Well like we did Cooper Rush and and
Speaker 1: I didn't want to bring this kid into it. Well
Speaker 1: we win in despite of him. The defense is okay,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to put This kid is zappy whatever
Speaker 1: his name name, the piece of guy name. Yo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he winning because he's a bad man. That's what I'm in.
Speaker 1: Except he got shut out the second half. It's okay
Speaker 1: to different games when you're playing down thirty three to fourteen, right, yes,
Speaker 1: or twenty to fourteen, right, because that's where it's Well,
Speaker 1: it was twenty six fourteen at one point, I mean right, no,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But the picks came after they it
Speaker 1: was twenty six spots. Now you got to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: But that was a Bears defense that looked very much
Speaker 1: like Matt Eberflus. Yes, Louse had him playing. How about
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people probably don't remember. It was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a debate when he was leaving. They
Speaker 1: wanted to hold on coach Eberflus because who he was,
Speaker 1: young talent. You know, it wasn't a big rumble, but
Speaker 1: it was just enough to know that we let loose
Speaker 1: a good guy. And you go back and check him
Speaker 1: with the Colts. He had them boys playing, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had them and you wasn't gonna run the ball. But
Speaker 1: he was not going to run the ball. You know.
Speaker 1: He was destined to be a defensive coordinator. Yes, maybe
Speaker 1: you know he was a pretty darn good defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: in college. I might add, yes, sir, what college was
Speaker 1: that mean? The University of Missouri? Oh? Real, Okay, I
Speaker 1: figured it. He needed it. He's a disciple of Gary Pinkel, Okay,
Speaker 1: from Toledo, I think that's right. That's right, Toledo and
Speaker 1: came to Missouri with Pinkel and became the defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: and then went to Cleveland and came here with Rob
Speaker 1: Ryan and outlasted Rob Ryan by the way. Yes, and
Speaker 1: then it was on Marinelli with Marinelli's staff here and
Speaker 1: uh and did a good job with the Colts too,
Speaker 1: And that's how he got the head coaching job. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I was always a little concerned to
Speaker 1: how he would handle the big room, like to have
Speaker 1: the voice. And then I saw his postgame uh speech
Speaker 1: in the locker room right afterwards, that that he's grown.
Speaker 1: That that that's the you know, the Matt Everflus I
Speaker 1: think people knew when he was growing up in Ohio.
Speaker 1: So no walkovers in this league, that's yeah. Asked Tampa Bay, right,
Speaker 1: asked Green Bay. Watch out list goes on and on.
Speaker 1: So the Chicago Bears coming to town, and you know,
Speaker 1: and the other thing with the Bears the type offense
Speaker 1: they run. I understand it's you know, different than than
Speaker 1: the Eagles. However, when you've got the threat of the
Speaker 1: running quarterback, that's that's the interesting matchup this week now
Speaker 1: against this Cowboys defense, yep, because they've had problems. I mean,
Speaker 1: we just got to look at Philadelphia, right. They had
Speaker 1: problems with hurts Um. You know, they even and I
Speaker 1: remember the numbers, I can look it up real quick,
Speaker 1: but even a little bit with Daniel Jones when he
Speaker 1: took off running in the Giants game. They had problems
Speaker 1: with that too. So um, you know the interesting one
Speaker 1: that they didn't have problems with Tom Brady because they
Speaker 1: knew where he was going to be that loss. You
Speaker 1: know what, it's starting to look bad. Well, teams change
Speaker 1: as the season goes along. Well, you know it, it's
Speaker 1: gonna remind if it keeps going this way. Reminds me
Speaker 1: of last year when they should have beaten Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: All the points they left on the field and what
Speaker 1: lost on the walk off field goal. That game cost
Speaker 1: him being the second seed in the playoffs and they
Speaker 1: would have bypassed San Francisco in that first round. That's
Speaker 1: how close they were to getting their tops, you know,
Speaker 1: the way I look at that, and how many games
Speaker 1: do the Cowboys win in a row after that last year?
Speaker 1: Sometimes if you win that first game, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: on the same role because a lot of when you
Speaker 1: look back at it, that was a game they could
Speaker 1: have won and got to Steam wins. And now you say, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: we lost the opener. It was New England and Brady.
Speaker 1: Well they ain't New They're not I mean Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: and Brady. They maybe not be Tampa Bay and Brady
Speaker 1: just yet. We got we got two more games before
Speaker 1: we get the thing in around about the Thanksgiving or
Speaker 1: of November, because we got a game this weekend and
Speaker 1: we got the breaking right yet and so now we
Speaker 1: come back and we're in the middle of the season.
Speaker 1: So all right, So the preseason ended in September after
Speaker 1: four games, so the regular season startled nine October. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so the middle of the season will be out
Speaker 1: of this bye week. The bye week is what you can. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so but one thing you cannot say, whether it's
Speaker 1: injuries or whoever you know who you are, coaches know there,
Speaker 1: whether they should know who they are. One thing that
Speaker 1: I'm amazed at this year, and I may didn't notice
Speaker 1: the next year. Last year, Mick was the griping and
Speaker 1: the willingness of players to come out and say I
Speaker 1: want to play, get rid of me. So I'm saying
Speaker 1: a lot of that. But other than that, the season
Speaker 1: is playing right alone. Just playing right alone. I mean
Speaker 1: evra Flus, he is clearing the room of mistakes. And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that minimal mistakes of We're not
Speaker 1: going to play games waiting on somebody to do something
Speaker 1: to make a mistake. We're going to play games. It's
Speaker 1: like who we're gonna make Who's gonna make the play?
Speaker 1: And that's what Jimmy had to clear our just clear
Speaker 1: our system of all case the fourth quarters, five minutes left,
Speaker 1: who's going to make the mistake to lose the game?
Speaker 1: You know, like kind of like Detroit did last week.
Speaker 1: It's like, who's gonna make the mistake to turn the
Speaker 1: game around and put us in a bad way? And
Speaker 1: that's what I think coach Evra Flus is doing with
Speaker 1: this young team. Even though he didn't draft this quarterback
Speaker 1: and he brought in his own staff, they're starting to
Speaker 1: figure out who their players are, who can do what,
Speaker 1: and they're starting to believe as players, you know what.
Speaker 1: And it kind of reminds me a little bit of
Speaker 1: this roster. He's not afraid to play those young kids.
Speaker 1: Oh you can't. Yeah. I remember at the very first
Speaker 1: meeting where they were in thought and you got Missus
Speaker 1: Jones and the whole crew up there, and he said,
Speaker 1: we gotta play the young guys. We can't be afraid.
Speaker 1: He said, He's never been afraid, and they are playing
Speaker 1: the young guys. In saying with Coach Everflus, you if
Speaker 1: you're gonna go down, you gotta go down always trying
Speaker 1: to improve. You can't go down waiting, you know, if
Speaker 1: you feel a guy in your heart. You could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but if you feel a guy's not right for your system,
Speaker 1: you gotta move him over if you got somebody that's
Speaker 1: a competing with him, you know. So I'm with you, man,
Speaker 1: And they've got in their secondary, they've got two second
Speaker 1: round draft picks, Kyler Gordon, who had an interception late
Speaker 1: in the game, and Jaquan Brisker out of Penn State.
Speaker 1: That guy was pretty cool. We are both playing um
Speaker 1: playing well, and they're relying on them. And you can tell.
Speaker 1: You could tell Kyler Gordon on that interception. He's got
Speaker 1: some playmaking ability about him. Yeah, so yeah, no, so yeah,
Speaker 1: heads and I guarantee you eberflus them being defensive guys, especially,
Speaker 1: he had a big say in picking those guys. Yep, yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. So heads up to the Dallas Cowboys. All right.
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are in a stretch here of playing four
Speaker 1: straight NFC North opponents. Okay, he get to win over Detroit,
Speaker 1: and then this week Chicago and then it's bye week,
Speaker 1: then it's at Green Bay and at Minnesota. Then on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day the Cowboys will play the Giants and then
Speaker 1: they start a stretch against the AFC South. Same thing. Basically,
Speaker 1: it maybe one week in there where they don't not play.
Speaker 1: Do you have their schedule in front of you? They
Speaker 1: do what you got after the Giants. After the Giants
Speaker 1: is Indianapolis, Houston, Jacksonville, Philadelphia gets in the way, and
Speaker 1: then Tennessee. So four out of the next five you're
Speaker 1: going to JFC South. I don't know, it's a scheduling
Speaker 1: quirk there. So looking ahead, Indianapolis has win week thirteen.
Speaker 1: Who will be the quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys play them in December? Is there somebody behind
Speaker 1: Sam ellen It's Nick Foles. So you got so yesterday
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and he's got a shoulder issue, but he
Speaker 1: got benched for Sam Allinger, and Frank Reich makes the
Speaker 1: announcement that Ellinger is going to be the quarterback the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. It's not just for this game.
Speaker 1: They're going forward with Ellinger as their quarterback. So my
Speaker 1: question is Ellinger's going to still be the quarterback week
Speaker 1: thirteen when they come here, He'll get hurt. Now, isn't
Speaker 1: that his deal? Didn't he have like injury problems at Texas? No,
Speaker 1: he was just running quarter tough guy. Yeah, tough guys
Speaker 1: are like brave pie. Here's what's interesting, and it's cowboy related.
Speaker 1: On that move by Frank Reich. It reminds me of
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. Week six, Cowboys were three and three.
Speaker 1: This was Week seven. The Colts are three three and one.
Speaker 1: Kay the Colts with thirty seven year old Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys had thirty four year old Drew Bledsoe, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboy always had a quarterback that they liked behind
Speaker 1: him who hadn't played in a game outside of holding
Speaker 1: on field goals and extra points. And here's Ellinger who's
Speaker 1: twenty four years old. Romo is twenty six years old.
Speaker 1: So Romo replaces Bledsoe at halftime of that game against
Speaker 1: the Giants in Week six. Cowboys wound up losing that game.
Speaker 1: And what people may not remember is Romo actually through
Speaker 1: three interceptions in the second half of that game. Also
Speaker 1: two touchdown might have been the first passing through yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, and uh, always a pick six, I
Speaker 1: think yes. And so then the next week they played
Speaker 1: Carolina and at Carolina, and I think it's three straight
Speaker 1: road games that Cowboys had coming up, and they win
Speaker 1: that thirty five fourteen, and the rest is history. And
Speaker 1: now Tony Romos in the CBS broadcast booth alongside Jim Nance.
Speaker 1: So if Sam Ellinger gonna follow the Tony Romos, securitous roy.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting. I mean, it was almost like the
Speaker 1: same situation. Even if you look at the stat Bledsow
Speaker 1: that year had thrown eight interceptions against seven touchdown passes.
Speaker 1: He was the number one pick in the draft. Ryan
Speaker 1: was the third pick in the draft. Okay, and Ryan
Speaker 1: this year nine picks, nine touchdown pass this place, he's
Speaker 1: fumbled a ton of times. And so it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same mindset that Reich has with his Colts team,
Speaker 1: and what happened with the Cowboys that year in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six up ended up in the playoffs. They
Speaker 1: go six and four the rest of the way, and
Speaker 1: so people are thinking Frank Reich's crazy for saying that
Speaker 1: Ellinger is his quarterback the rest of the season. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Parcels actually came out and said
Speaker 1: Romo is the quarterback the rest of the season, but
Speaker 1: it was obvious he was giving the reins of the
Speaker 1: team to Romo at that point. It turns out they
Speaker 1: went six and four and made the playoffs. He saw
Speaker 1: one too many interceptions in that game against the Gihonas,
Speaker 1: and Frank Reich saw one too many interceptions from Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1: It was at the end of the half and he
Speaker 1: threw a pass and I could still see parcel saying
Speaker 1: I told him not to throw passes like that. I'm
Speaker 1: sick of them. And he walked into the locker room
Speaker 1: and said, we're going with Romo. And see, that's what
Speaker 1: I think. I think the Indianapolis coach is hoping that
Speaker 1: he has found a Tony Romo here. And now what
Speaker 1: Ellinger had that Romo didn't have. He was a draft pick.
Speaker 1: He was a sixth round pick and Romo was not.
Speaker 1: So I mentioned the Cowboys playing young guys. Let's count
Speaker 1: him up, because they've put some young guys in, you know,
Speaker 1: significant situations, right or less experienced guys. I should say
Speaker 1: the Tyler Smith deal. They kind of went with him.
Speaker 1: I don't know your take on it, Nate, but he
Speaker 1: seems to get better with each game, like he's improving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what it is. I was trying to figure out why
Speaker 1: he was giving up give it the sacks in the
Speaker 1: last three games. You're giving up four sacks, I think
Speaker 1: three or four sacks. And I was listening to Broadest
Speaker 1: because you know, Broadest Scout's pretty good, and because one
Speaker 1: thing Broughtest said is he gets up high. But my
Speaker 1: thing is he lets people get to his body before
Speaker 1: he stabs with his left hand. He's a left handed guy.
Speaker 1: He plays on the left. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: left handed natural, but he's normally a left handed guy
Speaker 1: who played on the left side. What I've been taught
Speaker 1: is that your hands gots your feet, you know, let
Speaker 1: your hands guts your feet. And so as I'm sliding
Speaker 1: and kicking back and my foot is trying to split Bill,
Speaker 1: I get my hand on the nearest point. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: it's your chest. If I can hit your face match
Speaker 1: right quick, when I can get it off, you know,
Speaker 1: to stunt you. That's what I'm trying to do. But
Speaker 1: he lets people get so close. That's what I want
Speaker 1: as a deep this lineman. I want to get close.
Speaker 1: I want to be able to move you. You know,
Speaker 1: the close I get, the better I am, you know.
Speaker 1: And so he's got a get a better punch. He's
Speaker 1: strong as an ox, and I gotta do his punch,
Speaker 1: you know, boo boohim a six inns punch and he
Speaker 1: can read that record throw a guy off. Uh, this
Speaker 1: guy wasn't been in the corner. I thought this guy
Speaker 1: was Ben in the corner and really getting him. You know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't been in the corner. He just used his
Speaker 1: speed and he got him in a bad position because
Speaker 1: he let him get so close to him. And it's
Speaker 1: easy to step around. Oh yes, it's easy to step
Speaker 1: around and Ben in the corner then. And so but
Speaker 1: he's he's he plays well. One thing about it. He's
Speaker 1: got a short memory. He plays hard and when in
Speaker 1: the majority of the time he's gonna get his guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody past situation didn't run. He gonna he
Speaker 1: gonna get on you. You know. Yeah. That was one
Speaker 1: of the things that Jason Peters was uh supposedly explained
Speaker 1: to him once he got here, was about you need
Speaker 1: to get to your spot first. Yes, you need to
Speaker 1: not wait for the guy to make a move on you.
Speaker 1: You make the move on the guy. And I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you're saying. Yeah, get your get
Speaker 1: your hands a year. The thing is, you gotta know
Speaker 1: your range. Once you learn your range, my range was
Speaker 1: you know, I played with my hands kind of here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't play back here, you know, because Moms was
Speaker 1: already shorter than most people. So I played with them
Speaker 1: kind of out so I can boom. I get a
Speaker 1: quick punch and you know, once you get that punch,
Speaker 1: then you can start fighting. But if you're waiting on
Speaker 1: the guy to make a move and you don't know
Speaker 1: where you're gonna punch you at. You know, if he
Speaker 1: if you punch and he go inside, you are bounce.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're late with a punch, he and
Speaker 1: he and he even with you. We have the devas.
Speaker 1: Evnds have the same theory as wide receivers. Wide receivers
Speaker 1: tell you this, if I get even with you, if
Speaker 1: I get even with you, I'm leaving you. I know
Speaker 1: the route, I know where I'm going. You gotta turn
Speaker 1: to make a move. I'm gone. And that's what That's
Speaker 1: the same way with the devons. Even if they get
Speaker 1: even with you, that's either inside of you outside they're gone.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's happening. You don't because you don't
Speaker 1: lost a sense of where the quarterback at. Say that
Speaker 1: was the problem that Brown was having last night. They're
Speaker 1: left tackle, yes with Quinn, Yes he was. He was
Speaker 1: letting Quinn get on him. Yes, and that's why he
Speaker 1: jumped a couple of times. Yeah, for dear life. Yes,
Speaker 1: so young guy there they were using Farniac right. Found
Speaker 1: the role for one other thing on Tyler Smith is
Speaker 1: the guys that have gotten the sacks against him have
Speaker 1: been pretty good players. Yeah. Yeah, that's all well and good.
Speaker 1: But that's why he's left time. You're gonna have it
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, that's right, because Hutchinson got him Aidan
Speaker 1: Hutchinson in this game, and then the other two were
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Yes, yeah, so yes, so yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. You're gonna go up against the Aarondle and
Speaker 1: second picks in the draft. Yeah, playing left tackle, and
Speaker 1: so you gotta Yeah, and that's why I say he's
Speaker 1: got a short memory, because he came back and he
Speaker 1: he he blocked him like three or four times. I
Speaker 1: mean got his hands inside and just handling him. And
Speaker 1: you don't want that. You don't want that expecting when
Speaker 1: your quarterback is freshly coming back. You know, Uh, they did,
Speaker 1: would have had to do this kid is okay? You know.
Speaker 1: And fifty years ago Rayfield right went up against Deacon Jones.
Speaker 1: J Yeah, so the Deacon Jones actually didn't know what
Speaker 1: that's right, you know what I'm saying, slapped him in
Speaker 1: the head. Very Donald said the same thing to Tyler.
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, maybe so I was gonna say, Uh,
Speaker 1: they were using forniac. Unfortunately that you lose them now
Speaker 1: has one that's probably the rest of the season. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's if it's six weeks by time you get back,
Speaker 1: it's eight. Uh. And they were using them as a fullback,
Speaker 1: which is a shame because McCarthy likes using a fullback.
Speaker 1: If you look at his days in Green Bay, he
Speaker 1: always had a fullback. Um, maybe Jason Peters can play
Speaker 1: fullback when no let Yeah, I'm I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be funny, coach. It's a lot of guys guys out
Speaker 1: there that can play fullback, that can really block, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that and that can really catch, don't don't know.
Speaker 1: I was kind of tongue in cheek. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they can use Gifford. Gifford job. Yeah, I'm the goal
Speaker 1: line right. Yeah. I mean he's he's got the mentality that, yes,
Speaker 1: throw himself in there. Yes, sir, and there you go.
Speaker 1: Make Now when you have your little secret meetings with coach, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let him know all the guys. You know, you know
Speaker 1: you told me show because y'all had a little secret
Speaker 1: meeting on Friday. Yea, Friday's okay. The bigger question, who's
Speaker 1: the backup center? They're gonna have to bring Lyndstrom? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Boston college kids, so then be that? Can he
Speaker 1: be the fullback? Yeah? I don't. I don't. Probably I'm
Speaker 1: trying to. I'm trying to picture Ferguson do it or
Speaker 1: one of the times he's the best block out all
Speaker 1: of them. Let Ferguson do it, you know, because put
Speaker 1: forty eight on him again like he had in the preseason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got the mental lay to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I ain't trying to be funny, but Dalton ain't
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt no more. Dak is back, So Dalton's
Speaker 1: Dalton's gonna try his best to block. I mean, if
Speaker 1: Dalton could can survive that new issue that happened in
Speaker 1: the game on Sunday, he can get back out there
Speaker 1: for sure. And then speaking of that, the two rookie
Speaker 1: tight ends they're playing, That's what I'm saying. Two more
Speaker 1: guys and they got the one. Even the guy, the
Speaker 1: third guy we have one on the practice squad is
Speaker 1: yeah he is. They faded him. Uh for special teams purposes? Right?
Speaker 1: Is he a young guys? Third year? Now? Yeah? Borderline, y'all.
Speaker 1: I take legs right here. If we if this team,
Speaker 1: I can say, with these young guys, uh, you ain't
Speaker 1: mentioned the young guys on defense, ain't got there yet.
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Speaker 1: all right, young guys, young guys and young guys. Here
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. We mentioned the tight ends the offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: um defense, so we're gonna go right to Dron Bland. Yes,
Speaker 1: with Jordan Lewis out for the season. Uh, with the
Speaker 1: Liszt frank H fracture. Uh. And did you see it
Speaker 1: how it happened? Yes, you're right, Yeah, yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: it right away. I like, wow, to do we hit it?
Speaker 1: But anyway, let's talk about it. But anyway, yeah, Bland
Speaker 1: came in for him and came in for him in
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati game when um Jordan Lewis had the growing
Speaker 1: strain in warm ups and played well. And so you
Speaker 1: keep these guys active. And now okay, it's game eight
Speaker 1: and I need you durn Brand. And it looks like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's probably the first choice up to take
Speaker 1: a spot in the slot. Corner. I'm loving it, Nate.
Speaker 1: When I saw this kid in training camp and I
Speaker 1: saw him playing, and even when he got beat I
Speaker 1: think in the third or fourth preseason game he got
Speaker 1: beat on a pass, I was like learning. This kid
Speaker 1: is learning, so I think that he just gets better
Speaker 1: with each thing. He goes to a bill, what's up
Speaker 1: his hands? Raising my hand because we need a breaking
Speaker 1: news alert. Okay, breaking new, breaking news sounder. Okay. However,
Speaker 1: Savason gives us a breaking news sounder. Right, I think
Speaker 1: I got one for you. Here we go, Okay, here
Speaker 1: we go. What do we got? According to Ian Rappaport,
Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Raiders are trading veteran defensive tackle Jonathan
Speaker 1: Hankins to the Dallas Cowboys for draft compensation. Tom Pellicero
Speaker 1: reports the Cowboys will send a twenty twenty three sixth
Speaker 1: round pick to the Raiders for Hankins and get back
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty four seventh round pick. So there you
Speaker 1: have it. Do we know anything about Jonathan hank He
Speaker 1: has fallen behind in Las Vegas defensive line rotation, so
Speaker 1: this makes sense for the Raiders to cash in for
Speaker 1: a pick. Meanwhile, Dallas adds another competent player to an
Speaker 1: already ferocious defense, though they didn't have a huge need
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle on paper according to well that guy.
Speaker 1: So that is curious because they had just signed Carlos
Speaker 1: Watkins to the fifty three man roster off the practice
Speaker 1: squad and with Neville Gallimore this last game. So either
Speaker 1: one of those guys might get traded to get something back.
Speaker 1: And I know I'm saying this and is ugly what
Speaker 1: I'm about to say. Uh, if we're going to trade somebody,
Speaker 1: I really don't care unless you get something better than
Speaker 1: what we're trading. I'm in like a sixth round yeah,
Speaker 1: because if Hankins can come in here and force one
Speaker 1: eyed guys out through playing better, it's all for the good. Uh.
Speaker 1: But I just don't you know, a sixth round pick, uh,
Speaker 1: philth round pick. All of that's good and well, they
Speaker 1: hit every blue moon, But what we need is guys
Speaker 1: that can come in and either improve our rotation because
Speaker 1: that's what we look. I mean, you're talking with Hankins,
Speaker 1: a thirty year old guy who was a second round
Speaker 1: draft pick of the Giants in twenty thirteen. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's out of the rotation with the Raiders, who are
Speaker 1: not having a very good season right now. Last year
Speaker 1: he started fourteen games for the Raiders, thirty eight tackles.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a big, inside run stopping type defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't make me think that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: going to trade a defensive linement. It tells me that
Speaker 1: they've got an issue on their defensive line and their
Speaker 1: need they need to bring in some help. But if
Speaker 1: they're bringing in this guy, then you might have too
Speaker 1: many defensive tackles. Well, that's that's my I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: they've got an injury issue that we don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and since Neville Gallimore was an act of this last game,
Speaker 1: I will I don't know what his status is going
Speaker 1: forward or not. He had a wrist listed, but he
Speaker 1: was full so right, But and then Bohannah had been
Speaker 1: listed with a neck problem, and so when was Bohannon
Speaker 1: list with? Yeah, after no, he ended up being inactive
Speaker 1: I think in Philadelphia because they were looking for well,
Speaker 1: not Bohannon. Bohannon. He played against Philadelphia, right, well, one
Speaker 1: game he was inactive, okay, and then they decided they
Speaker 1: wanted somebody that was more versatile, like could go lateral
Speaker 1: more than just be a state bump. Um Mickey, I
Speaker 1: know you like PF right, Yeah, okay, Hankins is great,
Speaker 1: better against the run than every Dallas Cowboys defensive tackle
Speaker 1: except for Tristan Hill. I'm telling you. I remember Hankins
Speaker 1: at the James Oh yeah, he was like, yeah, not
Speaker 1: run against him. Yeah, he's your metal guy. If he
Speaker 1: comes to play, he could be what the doctor ordered.
Speaker 1: If he comes to play, he can be what the
Speaker 1: doctor ordered. And nine times out of ten, when you
Speaker 1: trade a player from a team that's struggling to a
Speaker 1: team that's that's winning, they know him to come in
Speaker 1: and give their best, best, best effort. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like that show the old team, see
Speaker 1: what you're missing, you know? So that's that's I hope
Speaker 1: this guy give his best effort making it. I mean,
Speaker 1: good breaking news. But that young man thing, I liked it.
Speaker 1: I liked it. So we can get we can get
Speaker 1: back to the young players we just broke first. Some
Speaker 1: old players just mine just went rob Where are you man?
Speaker 1: Get your look at him? You know you don't have
Speaker 1: papers from nineteen eighty six when they drafted him. Must
Speaker 1: have been don't worry me. Bohannah must have been inactive
Speaker 1: on Sunday because he's not listed as not active. Bohana
Speaker 1: Bohanna had twenty four snaps. No, he's on about eight
Speaker 1: games ago. Mix. Stop what he's talk about. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this. Gallimore was inactive on Sunday. Bohannah had
Speaker 1: twenty four snaps and he played against Philadelphi and the
Speaker 1: game that he missed was the Rams Rams game. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, can we moved forward on me? Please?
Speaker 1: Please get back on track with the young guys that well,
Speaker 1: we've established that an old guy's coming here. Okays, trying
Speaker 1: to get rid of these young guys about to talk
Speaker 1: about but as Hankins different than Bohannah, Yes, another young guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's the second round picking Bohanna was what a sixth rounder? Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: he will help in that rotation. If this guy understands
Speaker 1: he's going to play twenty snaps at the most, he's
Speaker 1: gonna give it his all and it'll be first and
Speaker 1: second down, he should be coming out in other situations
Speaker 1: unless it easybody to just press the center for the
Speaker 1: clothes the pocket a little bit. So he had twenty
Speaker 1: four snaps. He must have zeroed out because he's not
Speaker 1: listed on any participations on defense. Okay, Bland back to
Speaker 1: the Yes, can we get back to Bland? Yes we can. Wow.
Speaker 1: So you like him in the slot? Yeah? And I
Speaker 1: thought he would be playing at least seventy percent of
Speaker 1: the time when the season started. I thought he had
Speaker 1: took somebody position or forced people to at least split
Speaker 1: time with him. But I guess coach wanted Coach Quinn
Speaker 1: and Coach Harrison wanted guys that knew their system for
Speaker 1: the and been into the second year. Was he the
Speaker 1: guy that ended the practice against the Chargers with that interception? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: in the zone right, Yes, this, I mean I liked
Speaker 1: the kid and uh he shows to have great savvy
Speaker 1: man and and I just to me and and unlike
Speaker 1: Sam Williams, this kid plays under control. That's why they, Yeah,
Speaker 1: taper Sam down like another yeah, young guy, another young guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they tapering him down. I mean you could see,
Speaker 1: you know, coming out of training camp, you thought this
Speaker 1: kid had a vendetta gets tight ends. It's just every
Speaker 1: time they lined up tight end up on him, it
Speaker 1: was almost a fight. I mean, because he would not
Speaker 1: let him go, he would just literally man handle And
Speaker 1: where okay, and where has Bland been practicing all along?
Speaker 1: And where is Kelvin Joseph been practicing? The Sean Wrights
Speaker 1: the other one that we haven't mentioned who from last
Speaker 1: year's draft to third round pick who clearly is an
Speaker 1: outside corner right, and he Land is the Bland is
Speaker 1: the obvious replacement for right for Lewis as a slot
Speaker 1: And then you mentioned right being he'll be active. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's gonna play, but because he's been a
Speaker 1: special team standpoint that sort of thing, and what you
Speaker 1: would do, correct me if I'm wrong, If you went
Speaker 1: with one of the other guys, then Brown is playing
Speaker 1: in the slot right, right, So but then you would
Speaker 1: make two changes to fix one. We're here. You just
Speaker 1: Bland is a valuable guy, yeah, and he proved it
Speaker 1: right off the bat in training camp, in preseason games
Speaker 1: and against Cincinnati when he got the spur of the
Speaker 1: moment an opportunity to play a full game in the slot.
Speaker 1: So since he'll tackle too, he's a winning tackle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Since Bohannah had twenty four, he was Since Bohannah had
Speaker 1: twenty four snaps, and that's another young guy. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that they're relying on and they're getting good get getting
Speaker 1: good reps from Tristan Hill. This is what I like about.
Speaker 1: And I'm see as an ex player, if a dude
Speaker 1: got the best of me, it's just some reason. I
Speaker 1: got to figure out why he got the best of me,
Speaker 1: and this can't happen again. And if I'm Bohanna, I'm
Speaker 1: just taking out that Philadelphia tape over and over because
Speaker 1: it don't matter what the next guy can do to me,
Speaker 1: because you just face the beasts. You just faced one
Speaker 1: of the top centers in the NFL. Find out what
Speaker 1: he did, learn how to defeat that, and the rest
Speaker 1: of the guys will fall right in place. Like when
Speaker 1: I played against the Ron Brown, I worried about what
Speaker 1: he did because once I could play even I would
Speaker 1: get the best of Jerome Brown. God rest his soul
Speaker 1: that I didn't worry about the rest. I truly didn't
Speaker 1: worry about the rest. So all or what you're looking
Speaker 1: up now, man, just trying to make sure bo Hannah
Speaker 1: missed the Rams game. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, don't don't
Speaker 1: say that. There are there are coaches on this staff
Speaker 1: also that have familiarity with Jonathan Hankins as he was
Speaker 1: with Indianapolis when Philbin was obviously Philiban was on the
Speaker 1: offensive stall and then it's time with the Giants, uh
Speaker 1: as well, um so, and you look back early in
Speaker 1: his career, Hankins actually his second year of the league
Speaker 1: had seven sacks. Yeah, I'm telling you, you know on
Speaker 1: my show that they you know, they put you know, hey,
Speaker 1: what would you do right now if our offense don't
Speaker 1: get any better right now today? What was the biggest
Speaker 1: thing which you would do? Nate? And I told must
Speaker 1: I would go out and get me a proven run
Speaker 1: stopping knows. I don't want to. I got a three
Speaker 1: technique that penetrates. I got old he get up field
Speaker 1: if we get That's what Gallim wanted to just get
Speaker 1: up field. So I got guys that can do that.
Speaker 1: I need a guy that's going to allow my linebackers
Speaker 1: to come down. This is when when when um Randy
Speaker 1: White used to do our Cowboys game day pregame show
Speaker 1: on CBS eleven, he was always every year, I want
Speaker 1: that big Bazooka in the middle. Yes, and this is
Speaker 1: what Hankins, he's listening sixty three, three hundred forty pounds, right,
Speaker 1: he is the he's not He's not the same player
Speaker 1: when he came into the league of three hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty pounds where he can run enough to get a
Speaker 1: seven sacks in the season. But he's the big bazooka
Speaker 1: that the manster is looking for in the middle of
Speaker 1: the defense. Don't do that. Tony did that. I think
Speaker 1: he lost his voice after the game, and Tony trying
Speaker 1: to do the coach voice, but the Detroit Tony had
Speaker 1: did a whole like thirty five seconds out that his
Speaker 1: voice wasn't right well. And Watkins played, uh twenty some snaps.
Speaker 1: He had three tackles in the game. But walk he's
Speaker 1: kind of that guy though. But see what Walks is
Speaker 1: is moved from a position down right, He's has he
Speaker 1: always been that big guy. I don't think he's always
Speaker 1: been right heavy. He spread more of the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been more of that five technique five technique and
Speaker 1: what and what he's did a few times he stonewalled
Speaker 1: the guy. But but he couldn't get off the block.
Speaker 1: It took it took his punch and everything you had
Speaker 1: just to stop the guy. Yeah, he came here. Watkins
Speaker 1: was like a five techn yeah three four with Houston
Speaker 1: right three three h five yeah yeah yeah right, And
Speaker 1: Hankins is three forty is what he's listed. Three forty,
Speaker 1: that's what he's listed right now. So there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you got a speed bump in there now. I
Speaker 1: hope he a little bit more on the speed bump,
Speaker 1: probably like a cattle filler at least can roll a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know. The other option was moving Jason
Speaker 1: Peters to defense, right, and so they instead put Jonathan
Speaker 1: Hankins there. You know, I respect everything mister Peterson has done,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying mister because he's forty. I respect everything
Speaker 1: he's done. I respect what he's given it to these
Speaker 1: young players. But Fellas, this is what I feared. He
Speaker 1: cannot give you seventy snaps. No, no, no, he's the backup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he cannot give you. And everybody keeps saying no, Look
Speaker 1: look at the film. Everybody keep telling me they got
Speaker 1: all twenty two. And then they all tenmiate that Peterson
Speaker 1: should be starting this kid McGovern. And I know he's
Speaker 1: supposed be talking about young guys, but this kid McGovern
Speaker 1: is playing. Yes he's not. Yes, he's gonna get defeated
Speaker 1: badly a couple of times. But having been sacks and
Speaker 1: then having been big yards for loss, you know it's
Speaker 1: been for no games. You know, one yard loss. There
Speaker 1: ain't been no three, four or five yards in the backfield.
Speaker 1: Quarterback get is getting truck. Now he's gotten truck, but
Speaker 1: he's kept his body between whatever he was protected. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. All right, we're out of time.
Speaker 1: Oh that was good. I needed to give you this. Okay,
Speaker 1: Mick shot injury report to finish the show. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I'm walking off after the game down the hallway and
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott comes walking by, and I said, so we
Speaker 1: can shake hands now, And he held his hand out
Speaker 1: and he goes yes, and we shook hands, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I told you I could do it two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I said yeah, but you said gently. Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: got a stiff handshake with right hand from Dak. Press
Speaker 1: all right, So here we are. We have finally feared out.
Speaker 1: Dak is ready to go. I'm glad we could talk
Speaker 1: about him and he helping the team win that talking
Speaker 1: about him when he was sitting on the satline, like
Speaker 1: there you go, Nate, we love you. Filling in forever
Speaker 1: Soon where'd you go? Thank you all for having me man,
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