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Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts. Now, wow, hello every boy around the globe,

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Speaker 1: every boy only. Yeah. So I was gonna say, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna say boys and girls, and then you didn't want

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Speaker 1: that's exclusionaries. So I thought, okay, well let's double the exclusion.

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Speaker 1: It would be more exclusions. But also, actually, if you

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Speaker 1: just say hi boys or high girls, people assume you're

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey girls, no one's gonna be like, actually

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Speaker 1: some of us are male identifying, Like, everyone's gonna be like,

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Speaker 1: okay with it. But if you say boys and girls,

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Speaker 1: that's a problem. Yeah, that's a problem. You're creating a

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Speaker 1: So you know, people always say stop saying hi guys,

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Speaker 1: exclusion You just say hi boys, what's up? Boys? Um,

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Speaker 1: I actually think that's very comforted. Hearing that feels very comforted.

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Speaker 1: I mean, anything that infantilizes me in anyway, I'm like, finally,

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Speaker 1: We need to stop stigmatizing the concept of infantilization. It

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Speaker 1: should be celebrated more. It's it's a coping mechanism. I

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Speaker 1: would love it if my boss at work was like,

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Speaker 1: how's it going, a little fella, Oh, it's today really

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Speaker 1: really hard. Literally, sometimes I do need that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that would be so deeply helpful. Why can't everyone be

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Speaker 1: my mom? I know we're so bad at like being

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Speaker 1: adult men. Yeah, well it's because we're cancers. I do.

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Speaker 1: feel it? What my mom is visiting as everyone knows,

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Speaker 1: where I live. And that felt pretty adult, which is

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Speaker 1: Now she comes and I'm I'm like treating her like

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Speaker 1: to stop expecting your workpeople to infantilize you and let

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Speaker 1: not allowed to infantilize me. Wow. Can you believe this

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Speaker 1: is our last day, my last day in l A,

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Speaker 1: but also our last event in our week of events. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been a huge, big week of events. It's really

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Speaker 1: third episode where they will hear about that. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be like, we get, we get you spent a

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Speaker 1: The way that us going on a weekend long trip

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Speaker 1: think anything eventful happened on that trip. Not really. We

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Speaker 1: when that waitress explained a natural wine to us, we

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Speaker 1: We were looked like fine, we looked. We looked we

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Speaker 1: You have made us feel bigger than that waiter. You've

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Speaker 1: Without further ado, give a clearmor girl, who do you

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Speaker 1: for joking? Booster? Okay, I gotta say, I don't know

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Speaker 1: our actual natural wine freaks are like literally losing their

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Speaker 1: is like, doesn't make any sense? Okay, Well, basically have

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Speaker 1: you had You've had like a funk your orange wine? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess Mike, like, where does smegma fall into all

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Speaker 1: It wasn't um the best Broadway had to offer, But

422
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: Pamela had done the work and came out. Everyone was

423
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: on her side. She knows her vocal range and like

424
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: hit the notes the way she needed to hit them.

425
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: We're like, who else was in the was like Julian Assange?

426
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: There Edward Snowden. We didn't see Julian Assange. I will

427
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: say when I saw Funny Girl, I did see Ryan

428
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: Murphy in the bathroom. Oh did you approach him? Yeah?

429
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: I sucked him up Julian Assange of Media. Yea was

430
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: lin Manuel Miranda mother when no, in fact, I wasn't earlier,

431
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: Like I actually so. I came away from Hamilton's being

432
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: like that was great? Why is this man in this play?

433
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: Because like, the the whole thing about Hamilton's is like Everyone's.

434
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: Like imagine writing a musical where the whole point is

435
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: like everyone is horny for Hamilton's and that show. Everyone

436
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: is so horny for Hamilton's. Everyone wants to fuck Hamilton's.

437
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: Hamilton's is the best. And then casting yourself in the

438
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: role and you can't sing it, you can't dance, and

439
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: yet like is that true? I mean he's not a singer,

440
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: he's a rapper. Famously, Yeah, he's one of the most

441
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: famous rappers, one of the most I've heard, Yeah, top

442
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: five for sure. Is it hacked to hate him? Now?

443
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: Go around? This is like the trap of the frankly,

444
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: the millennial trap where you're like, well, where people love

445
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 1: someone you hate someone and it's like yeah, but it's

446
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: similar to Harry Potter. It's like who cares about hating

447
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: or loving Harry Potter? Like you just have to move on.

448
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: That feels very no, Like it does feel like gen

449
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: Z not to go back to this because it's in

450
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: the topic, but I do feel find that what they

451
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: hate and love is very much based in what is

452
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: problemmadic and ours is very much based in like quality

453
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: and like earnestness, and like if you're too like we.

454
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 1: I find gen Z to be much more earnest as

455
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: a generation and more comfortable with earnestness than we were,

456
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: which is what made Hamilton's such a like a flashpoint.

457
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: I think for in our culture is that like, if

458
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: you liked it, you were laying because theater culture, earnestness, etcetera.

459
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: There was like that month where if you liked it,

460
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: it was really cool and edgy, and then I was

461
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: so happy in that month, and then it was it

462
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: was the people who saw it at the vers and

463
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: that's what made it okay because it did start at

464
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: the public. That's like, you know, it's not nothing, No,

465
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: it's not nothing. Um, let's I need to pee before

466
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: we jump in to keep this and keep this in.

467
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: Of course, this is our favorite thing. Take your mic

468
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: with you to the back. Find out what kind of

469
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: wines in there being or coming? Well, George, how do

470
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: you feel it's going so far? Let's going so well.

471
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: I feel so fun. I feel like I'm on a

472
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: roller coaster. And Honey, I'm tall enough to write it. Honey,

473
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I hit the heype requirement. I feel, Um, we're being

474
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: kind of nasty. That's kind of fun. I know we're

475
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: being disgusting gays. I know it's kind of nice. I mean,

476
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to lean on it ever, but I

477
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: do like tapping into it every once in a while. Yes, well,

478
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: you gotta well, you have to keep people wanting more.

479
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: Sure you can't go too deep. Okay, Oh brother, I

480
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: can't believe Joel took my thing of peeing in the middle. Yeah,

481
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: that's famously earth thing. Oh my god're so fast, so fast.

482
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: I guess they don't have to be that much. Definitely

483
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: not a comb I guess he didn't come. You don't

484
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: know how long, quen Joel ASTs at last thirties seconds

485
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: in out Um, Joel, Yeah, I think we should just

486
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: get into the topic. Yeah, I think we should because

487
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: it actually part of it is connected to sort of

488
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: the dichotomies that we've been discussing about gen Z. Oh

489
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: my god, it's so true. Yeah, it's almost like you

490
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: planned it. Maybe he's always And this is a topic

491
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: because we got a little sneak preview. It is a

492
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: multifaceted it's almost wordplay. I'm almost curious as to how

493
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: which angle you're gonna open it up from. Um, well,

494
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: I think we should start chronologic, introduce the top. The

495
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: topic is the twenties. I think the twenties are the

496
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: straightest decade. And I'm gonna and I'm gonna t this

497
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: up now. I will say both the nineteen twenties and yes,

498
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: even the twenties, I think both are proving to be

499
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: one of the straighter decades. And I wish I would

500
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: have done a little bit more research because I could

501
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: almost guarantee you the twenties, Yeah, they have a straight field.

502
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you what happened in them, but yeah,

503
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: I can almost guarantee what well, what was going on.

504
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, people were still reeling from the War of

505
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: eighteen twelves. There's nothing more. Those are the straighter those

506
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: are straight eras post war because like suddenly, like you

507
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: think about it, during war, it's a bunch of guys

508
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: together off just jerking off, doing what they need to

509
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: do get done, and all the women are in the

510
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: at home in factories. I want to say, and that's

511
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: that's very gay, butchering it up, but you know what

512
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: happened was the Greek Revolution, Greek independence days celebrating and

513
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: that's straight. They were celebrating independence from being gay exactly

514
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: the old Greece can't come to why because she say, okay,

515
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: I have I have one follow up question, which is

516
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: would you take it a step further and include one's twenties? Um,

517
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: we could? I think we need to work that out

518
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: a little because I do think that there's a world

519
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: where we could sort of bend in twist and then

520
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: get there. But it's not it's not an angle that

521
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: I have thought, but I think it's it would be

522
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: fun to sort of work it out together as a group.

523
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: Let's start nine twenties. I think it's it's you know,

524
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: it's prohibition, it's flapper culture. And this all really, this

525
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: whole idea really started because the one thing that I

526
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: have noticed about straight culture is there's nothing that they

527
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: love more than a Great Gatsby theme exactly, nothing that's

528
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: straight people. And have you ever been to a Great

529
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: Gatsby theme party? No, no gay man has ever been

530
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: to a flapper Great Gatsby themed party. And you cannot

531
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: walk down the street in New York or l A

532
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: without seeing a woman dressed as a flapper on Friday night.

533
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: You know it really when you said the word flapper

534
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: when we were texting about the topic, it really my

535
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: life flash before my eyes. You don't even see like

536
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: you don't even see flapper, that that era really represented

537
00:30:53,880 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: in drag drag queens. Flapper sounds so like so pornographic.

538
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: What is flapper? It's very close to fapping. I also

539
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: think what part of the reason why they're so popular

540
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: as a party theme is because straight men can just

541
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: wear a suit and the girl gets like, wear a

542
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 1: shiny dress and so it's like, look I dressed up,

543
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you're wearing the same. Lack of imagination,

544
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the lack of they have. They

545
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: could never have the creativity that gay theme parties have. Fraternity,

546
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: shock strap, underwater, Lady Gaga, anything but clothes. There's also

547
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: something about roaring twenties. It's almost like the last time

548
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: things were good. Yeah, it is very like well for

549
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: whom sweetheart. Yeah, it's like I missed those days. Yeah,

550
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: the thing is too I got a lot of pushback.

551
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Um sometimes when I talk about this, because they're like

552
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: great cats be and to me, Great Gatsby is nothing

553
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: but straight, straight, straight. It doesn't mean that it's low quality,

554
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: not necessarily, but it is a very straight But then

555
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: people like to say that there's gay undertones. I haven't

556
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: read it since high school. I guess same, um, and

557
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: I guess like something about a guy being dead in

558
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: the pool is gay if you want to gay coded.

559
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: But then it cancels it out. With Leonardo DiCaprio, who

560
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: is maybe one of the straightest people. He is the

561
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: straightest movie star that we can all agree on. Yes,

562
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: he never worked with a woman director. He has barely

563
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: worked with a woman actress. He also doesn't have any

564
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: gay rumors because he's fucking It's very like, you are

565
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: so safe fucking a twenty five year old as a

566
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: straight man. Not no one. There's not like because there

567
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: are certain ages of women that is pretty gay, like

568
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: fucking yeah. I was like, that is like, that is gay,

569
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: ad Jason. If you're a man having sex with specifically

570
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: a thirty eight year old woman, that's faggy at any age.

571
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: At any age. Yeah, it doesn't matter if you're fifty

572
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: or Yeah. Yeah, maybe I'm in the clar because we're

573
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: the same age, I think again, bitch, so wait, this

574
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: is who is the gayest leading man straight straight out?

575
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean Hugh Jackman. Yeah, well that's literally I guess.

576
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: I was like Tom Cruise okay, once again also sort

577
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: of too literal. Yeah, no, I see what you're saying.

578
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess, like, um, a Gosling Reynolds, the

579
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: Ryans um one of the Chris is even like a

580
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: Chris Evans is a little gay to me. You know

581
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: who's always wait, who's the wonder woman? Chris Chris Pine.

582
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: I think Chris Pine is a gay leading man. I

583
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I can go with that, And I

584
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: think that like Chris Pratt obviously straight, yes, Chris Pine gay,

585
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: Chris Evans a little bye bye, but also, as we

586
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: mentioned the other day, a little youth pastor energy from

587
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: from Chris Evans. Yeah, I see, I see, like uh

588
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: they all sort of give me her name is different denomination.

589
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: Chris Chris Evans would like share a funny meme. True,

590
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: And then Chris Pratt is like in the homophobic church's

591
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: yeah he's evangelical the house down boots. Yes. And then

592
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: Chris Pine is like, what's the one where it's like

593
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Methodist or like the discop the one that's like all

594
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: that you go to, like their churches and they literally

595
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: have like all the symbols of all the religions. I

596
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: see that. I see that. Yeah, okay, okay, so twenties okay.

597
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: So it's also like wealth porn. People love that. People

598
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: do love that. And there is something really straight about

599
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: prohibition the idea speak easies, peakeasy. It's like this era

600
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: that was created to be nostalgic about in Williamsburg in

601
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: two thousands. Yes, yes, I've always said that speakeasies are

602
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: exclusively a straight creation to like, there's nothing that they

603
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: love more than turning a bar into an escape. They

604
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: love well, they want the excitement of something meaning illicit

605
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: and secretive. Yeah right, they have to invent it's like

606
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: just cheat on your wife. Well, and also there's just

607
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: like they are always searching for a culture because there

608
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: is obviously no straight culture. But like they don't have

609
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Like I think I can say with like full confidence

610
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: that none of us here have hobbies. We are all gay.

611
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: Is that's actually great a drag queen track. My hobby

612
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: is his mother. But like they're always searching for ways

613
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: to like create culture for themselves, and I think like

614
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: the twenties is a standing for that. I you know,

615
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: I just went to Burning Man and I loved it.

616
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: I had an amazing transformative experience and it was great

617
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: our little pocket of it. But the whole time I

618
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: was I was observing the production that's straight. Like straight

619
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: people had to go out to the desert and put

620
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: on costumes and do drugs and do all of these

621
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: things just to be gay. They spent years making their

622
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: floats and because I mean when Ilan in San Francisco

623
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, when Burning Man happens, the city

624
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: is empty. It's insane. It is just literally and it's

625
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: like so fun to see a Google project manager with

626
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: white dreadlocks and head to toe amazon just living her life.

627
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: It is like that is the vibe, and there's a

628
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: lot and there's a lot to love about it. Too.

629
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like talking about it because who

630
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: gives a ship? But it is like that was when

631
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: I had a real like realization. I was like, oh,

632
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: you don't have culture, yeah, like yeah, or even like

633
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: an outlet to be like bad in the same way

634
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: you need this, you know, and speakeasies do provide a

635
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: safe ish space for that. Yeah, I actually don't know.

636
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: Speakeasies are the thing that provided entirely. Yeah, Speakeasies are

637
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: like they're like glory holes where it's like, no, that's

638
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: still not freedom. It's just something you're doing to get by.

639
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: It's also I mean, I know I mentioned Williams so

640
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: much of this to me, my window into it was

641
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: like literally that air of Williams rug. When people were

642
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: writing unicycles, yes, well unicycles. It was Kraft cocktails, handlebar mustache.

643
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: Literally people, and it sounds like a joke. Now if

644
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: you're gen Z, you think I'm joking. People had to

645
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: handlebar mustache. Ironically, one of my my second hook up

646
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: with a man handle bar mustache and you loved it,

647
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: oh so hot, Like beard wax was like normal. It

648
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: would have to have you had to have the stuff.

649
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even have a beard. I had this stuff. Yeah,

650
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: just covering your naked pair its body and west um.

651
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's just something about the nineteen and like

652
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: again like didn't do any research really, just came in here.

653
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: Here's a question. When was the Gilded Age? That's like

654
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: the early twentieth century? Right, I have no idea. No,

655
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say I have no idea.

656
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: Should we look it up? Yeah? Sorry I brought it

657
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: up or maybe derailing the conference late nineteenth century it

658
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: was like Gilded Age when google Okay from eighteen seventy nine. Okay, alright,

659
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: so I wasn't completely often that. It's almost like the

660
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: Gilded Age. I'm making this up. And then it crashed

661
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: and then the Roaring Twenties were like and we're back

662
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, or wait, maybe it was that it were democratized.

663
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: Wait eighteen So basically the Guilded Age was the end

664
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: of the eighteen hundreds. Sure, sure, sure? When was the

665
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: big Great Depression before the Roaring twenties? Or I was

666
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: after because then it was then they went into like

667
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: World War One? Okay, okay, okay, wow, sorry, we're not

668
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: history people. Justicular I did when I sat down to

669
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: think about. I didn't know the depression was after the

670
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: Ring twenties, but in the moment also even just the

671
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: idea that like this is the decade that we partied

672
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: is very straight. It's very college. It's like remember senior year,

673
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: but so true. They leave, they leave partying behind at

674
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: a certain point in the way that we do. Not

675
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: that never stopped. It's still like, yeah, it is still going,

676
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: and it will continue to go, like post children, Like

677
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: the amount of gay men that I know who have

678
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: children who have brought like their baby on the gay

679
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: cruise is crazy like that, like and that is like

680
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: a natural end point for a lot of straight people

681
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: I find to to stop the partying, and I just

682
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: like I don't. Like I had to hook up recently

683
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: where they literally went over and they were like, you

684
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: have to leave by three because our son is coming home.

685
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, yeah, I love that we

686
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: are like really aging into Like I now also have

687
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: quite a few friends gay friends who have kids, and

688
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: it is so inspiring that all of them are still

689
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: and sucking sucking, And second that's so powerful. Um it

690
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: honestly made me feel better about the possibility of having

691
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: I know, no, I was like, oh, nothing has to

692
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: change for me, which is good changes bad, it changes bad. Um.

693
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: So theesies I find to be very straight as well,

694
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of the same reasons that

695
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 1: are happening. Like but I will say that the twenties

696
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: to me too, is because we are in the air

697
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: of gen Z and like I do find that gen

698
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: Z is the least gay generation going right now. Not

699
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: that because they are they have said gay is is uncool.

700
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: I think being gay for them is uncool. Being queer, yeah,

701
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: is the thing. Like, there's obviously other identities. They love LGBT,

702
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: they love the LGBT, LGBT, the LGBT, they love LGBT,

703
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: but it is a very um not necessarily straight, but

704
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: it is like I think they're circling back around on

705
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: it in a in a big way. It's interesting. It's

706
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: it's not straight, it's anti gay, Like it's so powerful,

707
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: Like even the gay that we're seeing in the ties

708
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: is so straight to me, Like, well, the lines are

709
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: blurred because when you have fully straight leading men wearing

710
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: dresses on a red carpet, where does that leave us? Well,

711
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: I find that they're making they're making that straight it

712
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: is queer obviously, but it is not gay, and so

713
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: in that way it's straight wow wow uh yeah, you

714
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: know what, there isn't room for these days a rose O'Donnell. No,

715
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: not at all, And there's no reverence for gay men anymore.

716
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: And our culture, I mean, like a go ahead, what

717
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: about the about style? Superstars literally was about to bring

718
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: up No, I was like, no, I actually think Carson

719
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: Cresley is like such a weird thing where it's like

720
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: people are just like, yeah, he doesn't matter. It's like, well,

721
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: he did matter, but he's doing something he's gay like

722
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: he's like that's like a gay man is not inherently cool.

723
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: That was part of the whole problem. But what's difficult

724
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: about it is that gay men are no longer Obviously,

725
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: with some caveats, gay men are no longer oppressed. Carson

726
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: Cresley is not oppressed. So then it becomes so then

727
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: you're like, if if for so long gay men were

728
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: especially in pop culture, defined by their marginal place, now

729
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: that they're not marginal, where does that leave them? Um? Well,

730
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: I think that because because we're not as marginalized, and again,

731
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: caveat caveat, um, there is where to the our culture

732
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: is now too accessible, Yes, too accessible to even be

733
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: considered gay, Like is drag race even gay? And it

734
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: is one of the straightest things alive? We see Rodman

735
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: What's on Our Lives show claiming that the topic was

736
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: drag race and we in fact decided it was not

737
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: only straight but part of the federal government. Yeah. No,

738
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: it's very true that even our gay things are straight

739
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: in so what is gay? But then again, but then

740
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: also the queer coded things like painting your nails or

741
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: even something like polyamory, which you could argue is queer

742
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: coded in its own way. It's like people of different

743
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: genders being in a reallyationship. All of those things have

744
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: as soon as they come up, they immediately become quote

745
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: unquote co opted. So is there anything that is It's

746
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: almost like the one gay thing is literally someone blowing

747
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: guy in a porta potty and yours. But we're also

748
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: like nope. But the thing is is like we've now

749
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: moved into this space where like, do you see so

750
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: many straight guys on Grinder? Like even gay sex is

751
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: becoming infiltrated by straight I'm seeing so many straight guys

752
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: on Grinder these days. And yes, part of it is like, um,

753
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: they're looking for trans women. Um, so that like they're like,

754
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gay, I'm just looking for a trans woman,

755
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: which okay, totally fair. But I'm also like, there's that

756
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: book about how men who have sex with men are

757
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily yeah all right, well then you get into

758
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: the label yeah yeah, So I'm just saying, like, gay

759
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: sex isn't even safe. Gay sex is now now can

760
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: be a straight space. I think being a specific gay

761
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: kind of annoying is still gay. Yeah, but that's but

762
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: isn't that part of the problem is that, like we've

763
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: pinpointed that in a way, it used to be homophobic

764
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: to consider gay people annoying, and now I think it's

765
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: every it's empowering, it's empowering. Yeah, yeah, You're only tool

766
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: left as a gay man is being annoying. And we

767
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: used to have a full toolbox. I know tools. Yeah,

768
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: we used do little moves with our fingers. Well, I

769
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: will say, even like the twenties, as it's being ruled

770
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: by gen Z, I find them to be not sex negative,

771
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: but not as interested in sex as we And and

772
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: that is like and obviously sex is a huge part

773
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: of being gay and not having sex is a huge

774
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: part of being straight. Yeah, part of me wonders that

775
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: that's just like a literal like young thing and they

776
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: have like more of a platform to speak on it.

777
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: But no, even when when we were young, I was

778
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: sucking in sucking all day long, and I was and

779
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: I love to talk about it, and I felt revolutionary

780
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And I think like we did

781
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: live in the space of it being revolutionary to talk

782
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: about it before people got tired of it. Yeah, people

783
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: are tired. We need to overthrow gay marriage so that

784
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: we can have some fun. Absolutely, I got like a

785
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: little tingle when that was like a possibility. I'm just like,

786
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: it was like finally with respect again, Jesus, and I

787
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: will get talked down to you by a sixteen year old,

788
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: you know. Like the sex positivity versus sex negativity thing

789
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: is so interesting because it's almost like a horseshoe thing,

790
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: where like the more sex positive you become, the more

791
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: almost clinical you become in your descriptions of sex and

792
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: your approach to sex, and then you take some of

793
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: the excitement out of it. And then of course the

794
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: more sex negative you become, the more illicit it is,

795
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: and the more, You're like, okay, I'm rock hard. Well,

796
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: it's almost like being like religious religious people are doing

797
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: the most crazy ship. Literally, Mormons are the most sex

798
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: positive religion out there. Like I couldn't handle hook in

799
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: with a Mormon trauma. They're having way more fun having

800
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: sex because it's so bad exactly. Yeah, well I'm converting

801
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: because we really can make anything sex like a sex thing,

802
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: and I think people are getting tired of that. People

803
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: are getting tired of, specifically of me making everything honestly

804
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: the same for me too. It sounds personal. Yeah, that

805
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: sounds like you saying the book thing about the personal

806
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: person politic. Of course. Yeah, I fully. Um, I actually

807
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: had to stop saying things we're hot on here because

808
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: I was like, people get it. You think everything is

809
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: kind of hot? Yeah, and it's like, okay, well everything

810
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: is kind of and everything is kind of hot. Well,

811
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: and even now, like there's something really straight about not

812
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: fetishizing straight men sexually anymore, which is seemingly becoming less

813
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: and less interesting to do because like d gay guys

814
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: are just getting straighter. Oh yeah, yeah, like gay guys

815
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: as a whole. There's like a whole second, like I'm

816
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: on the gay Brows subreddit they do not like being gay. Yeah,

817
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: that's interesting. You know, sometimes you do meet someone who

818
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: almost literally will be like I don't want to be gay,

819
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: and it's always so jarring. I have been more and

820
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: more meeting gay men that really do quote unquote act

821
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: straight in a way that throws me for such a

822
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: loop because it it even makes it hard me to

823
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: be attracted to them in a way that you would

824
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: think would be like the fantasy. But it was like,

825
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't believe you, Okay, I saw this sorry to

826
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: sight a tweet, but I saw this tweet by this woman,

827
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: her name is Mitka, and it was kind of about

828
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: like the new um form of metro sexual that exists

829
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: in twenties, and it's like they wear body, they like

830
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: subscribe to fashion like men's wearing newsletters. They're like interested

831
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: in the j cru Re brand. And it's interesting how

832
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: metrosexuals fell out. Then there was the of course Williamsburg

833
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties era, and I do think it's back in.

834
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: Straight men have never been gay, right, I mean, it's

835
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: hacked to even bring him up. But Harry styles, of course,

836
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, like it's really pioneering that gay straight eye

837
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: right now. But even like Brad Pitt was wearing a skirt.

838
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and by the way, I support all of this.

839
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: When Brad Pitt was wearing skirt, it's over, honey, yeahack

840
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 1: it out, We're done. That's like the symbol of male

841
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: raw sexuality. So it's over. Yeah, Brad Pitt wears some

842
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: pants for Christ's sake. For Christ's sake, in many ways,

843
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: now Brad Pitt wearing pants could be gay. Yeah, yeah,

844
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: he should wear um like a kind of flowy or no,

845
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: he should wear like skinny jeans from two thousand fourteen. Oh,

846
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: you guys, we gotta let it go. We really like

847
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: the And this is the thing, this is also Sam

848
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this is very This is the

849
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: thing about being straight is going back to gay guys

850
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: being straight, is that like we are now not necessarily

851
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: even sort of the bastions of fashion forward, because like,

852
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: no one is holding on tighter to skinny jeans right

853
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: now than gay guys. And it's like, guys, we are

854
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: going to live in the baggy for so much longer

855
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: because you were clinging to your skinny jeene. If you

856
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: go to an event, like a kind of event where

857
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: there are well dressed people in New York City, the

858
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: straight men by and large are more word more well

859
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: dressed than the game man. That's sick. That is sick.

860
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: I refuse to believe it. I'm sorry, I refused to

861
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: believe it. I think it sounds nice in our beautiful podcast,

862
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: but I refuse to believe it. I mean, I don't

863
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: want to believe it either, But I trust George. Thank you.

864
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: Someone here does church implicitly. So if George said it,

865
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: it's law, it's true. Yeah, and I know fashion. Yeah. Well,

866
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: I guess um, everyone, if you're listening, do your part

867
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: um call out gay guys who are straight and who

868
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: are gay. It's your job to be the activists you

869
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: want to see in the world. I kind of think

870
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: like everyone who is queer is doing such a great

871
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: job and should not change it anyway. But specifically gay

872
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: sest men and straight sest men need to figure out

873
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: some stuff. I think that's what that's like where I'm

874
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: coming down on, Like, I'm not policing anyone else, but

875
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: specifically gay men and straight men need to get in

876
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: a room and come up with some ground rules. Sign

877
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: a treaty. Yeah, well, wait and before we go, do

878
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: we really want to quickly touch on the idea of

879
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: the twenties, your twenties being straight. I have one. Okay,

880
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: I think that my twenties were straight because I was not.

881
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: I didn't actually know how to be gay, but I

882
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: was pretending to be gay, which is straight, which we

883
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: have landed on is very straight. I was very It's like, okay,

884
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: so I think I should be I should think I

885
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: should like this is how we should have sex, and

886
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: I think this is where I should go. And now

887
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: it's more of like a lived in experience, but then

888
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: it was performative. Yeah, I would say I have I

889
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: had a similar experience, and I just like, there's a

890
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: sort of adolescence that happened in your twenties, and adolescence

891
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: is straight. I mean it's like puberty. Yeah, I'm thinking

892
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: like day job, like ping pong in the office, like

893
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: we work? Is are we working? We work? Is straight?

894
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: Twenties are also you're like still holding onto your college

895
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: friends who like kind of knew you. This is just

896
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: me as like as a half straight and so it's

897
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: like you'd like hang out with a bunch of straight

898
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: guys one night and it's like Okay, okay, Here's what

899
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: I think of when I think of twenties is like

900
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: you move to a city, you don't know what to do,

901
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: so you google like free events, and then there's like vegans,

902
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: and then it's like some museum does like an under

903
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: thirty cock tail hour and it's free and you get

904
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: a drink ticket, and there's like Strobe lights, but you

905
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: can go to the dinosaur exhibit and also like for

906
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: me that, well, hey, that actually feels much more like

907
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: thirties to me than twenties. But I guess for me

908
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: to like, the reason twenties would be straight is that

909
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: like I never had more straight friends than in my

910
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: twenties is a sort of similar. And it wasn't until

911
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: my thirties that I realized I didn't have to do that.

912
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have to see a straight person in my

913
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: in my social circle if I didn't want to. Well,

914
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: I remember when we were becoming friends in our twenties

915
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: and so founded by street and it felt so novel

916
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: to be like you me Bow and Juli. I was like, Wow,

917
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: we're gay guys. This is crazy. I remember truly being like, wait,

918
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: there can be more than one gay guy here. There

919
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: could be four gay guys and you know what, and

920
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: not to get earnest for a second here though, and

921
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: not even toil like to our own horn. But I

922
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: do think that we really ushered in a moment in

923
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: comedy bye by saying for the first time, because I

924
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: do think a lot of gay guys in our position

925
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: before we're saying, Okay, there's only gonna be one of us,

926
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: so I'm going to be the one and shunned other

927
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,959
Speaker 1: gay guys. And then it was starting to change around

928
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: the time that we all became friends. And I'm not

929
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: saying that it would have happened if we weren't doing

930
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: comedy to like somebody else, It was just the timing

931
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: was right for it to happen. But like at the time,

932
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: like it was, it did feel very novel to be

933
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: more than one in a room on a show. And

934
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: then like outside of comedy, I feel like it's like

935
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: in your twenties, let's say you're the one gay guy

936
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: and a group of girl friends, and then there's like

937
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: another group that's all girls and one gay guy, and

938
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: then you meet the other gay guy and you're like,

939
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: what does not compute? What are we supposed to do? Here. Yeah,

940
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: are we gonna hook up or are we gonna fight?

941
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: I've also noticed I've met a lot of gay guys

942
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,479
Speaker 1: in their twenties recently who love Boston. What Yah, Yeah,

943
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: Boston is the villain of this podcast. Boston is very

944
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: much where gay guys go to be straight. You want

945
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: to talk about skinny jeans, any those legs haven't breathed

946
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: in years. If it's like, if you, as a gay

947
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: man want to safe space to love the cops, then

948
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: like if you want every day to be a Pride

949
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: parade where you're dancing with a cop, go to literally wow.

950
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: If we ever do a liveshoan on Boston, people will

951
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: protest gay guys. Gay guys will protest. It will just

952
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: be like ten straight girls and they're like, they don't

953
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: represent that. Well. I think I think we said a

954
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: lot of things. I think we I mean, and I

955
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: want to be clear here, I didn't mean a single word.

956
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: Of of course, I would never accuse you of being honest. No, No,

957
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: everything we said was based in lies and simply we

958
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: made up in order to get Sultan. You. So don't

959
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: come attacking us, unless, of course it's public and we

960
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: can retweet it. And dunk on you. Yeah, only attacks

961
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: if you're stupid and we can win the argument. Yeah,

962
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: that would be so nice. That could be huge. Should

963
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: we do our final segment. I think it's a thing

964
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: we should and I also have to think of some

965
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: I have one actually for the first time in my

966
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: entire life. Let's hear it. Okay, So our final segment

967
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: is called shoutouts, and of course you know what, we

968
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: give a shout out to anything that we are enjoying,

969
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: in an homage to the street tradition, and I will

970
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: go first. What's up freaks, lizards, and perverts all around

971
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: the globe? I love you, I see you, and I

972
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: hear you. I would like to give a huge shout

973
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: out to Yes, I'll say it all vocado toast. Yes,

974
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: it's so hack it's back baby. I had it for

975
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: breakfast this very morning, and I felt like I was

976
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: a king. I said, why have we politicized this food

977
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: so damn much? It's just food. Yes, it's a little overpriced,

978
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: but at this point they're doing such crazy ship with it.

979
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: It's not that overpriced. There's basically a whole salad on

980
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: this damn piece of bread. And I got an egg

981
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: that's a meal, hon, so stop attacking it. Everyone drop

982
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: your guns and let's just like eat a good food

983
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: for once in our lives. Feel Australian. I think it's

984
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: an Australian thing, isn't it. I don't know, but I

985
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: love you avocado toast. I will say Australian cafes. Really

986
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: it is a staple of there. And I have spent

987
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Australia and it is everywhere there,

988
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be surprised if it did originate in Australia.

989
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: I had an Australian boss once and he was like

990
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: talking about avocado sost all the time, and I was like, so,

991
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: I just assumed it was Australian. I just want to

992
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: say the thing about avocado toast, like it's so interesting

993
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: or it's so weird to me that it's something that

994
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: people think of as ordering at a restaurant when it's

995
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: truly one of the most delicious snacks to make at home.

996
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: I like, all you need is avocado, lemon and olive oil,

997
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: maybe some personally and maybe some crush red pepper. You

998
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: put it on bread, you like crack a little leg

999
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: on top raw. I mean it's it is so weird

1000
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: that it's been politicial. It's like one of the easiest

1001
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: things to make. Yeah, it's bizarre. I think the reason

1002
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: I think that's actually why they'll be right, because it's fine.

1003
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: It's the the very the original, Like millennials want to

1004
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: buy this instead of sure, sure, yeah, well death penalty

1005
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: to all. Okay, wait, let me think of one. Mm hmm.

1006
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: This is gonna be so good. I can tell I know, oh, okay,

1007
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: what's up freaks and losers? And also what's up upstanding

1008
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: members of society and proved its huge we're being inclusive tonight.

1009
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to Elizabeth Banks's

1010
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: broad comedy acting career only. Elizabeth, if you're listening, I

1011
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: believe that you are a good director, and I believe

1012
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: that you're a good dramatic actress if you say so,

1013
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna need you to go back to the

1014
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: drawing board and take on broad comedic roles. No one

1015
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: has ever made me laugh as much as you did

1016
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: on your episode of Curb. No one has ever made

1017
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: me laugh as much as you did on in the

1018
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: forty year Old Virgin. I need you to go back

1019
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: to basics, Christina aguilera style and book. A role where

1020
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: you do physical comedy. Maybe you're wearing a dress that

1021
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: fits you weird, but then it's empowering in some way.

1022
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: You can write it if you want, you can even

1023
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: direct it. I'll allow it, but it has to be comedic,

1024
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: and I'm calling on you to do this. Now. Who now?

1025
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: Are you including her pitch perfect performances in this? Um? I? Okay?

1026
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: What who was she? And she was like the commentator?

1027
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: Would you include her Hunger Games performance? Yes, that was

1028
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: I swear to god. I think I've mentioned this on

1029
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: the podcast before. This scene is on YouTube. Look up,

1030
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Banks. Curb your enthusiasm. It is the funniest thing

1031
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. I'm gonna do it

1032
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, Okay, that's gonna be my shot. Okay,

1033
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: I have something very top of mine. Go for it, hey, darling, dear.

1034
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: I want to give a special shout out to someone

1035
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: very important in my life that I've been thinking about

1036
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: a lot lately, especially even today. I want to give

1037
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: a shout out to my bladder in my twenties, specifically

1038
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: because honey, that bladder could hold a lot of p

1039
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: I could go hours and hours and hours and not anymore.

1040
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: You only know what you have and when you lose it.

1041
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: Because boy, oh boy, did I leave this podcast? Uh

1042
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of recording to Pete, did I get here?

1043
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: Arrived at the podcast reporting have to be Did I

1044
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: pe a little in my pants recording this shout out?

1045
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: Because yes, I have to pee again, even despite not

1046
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: touching my water. I have to be so bad at

1047
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: all times. You do not understand what you're bladder and

1048
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: your twenties is giving you. It's giving you a full

1049
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: night's rest without any bathroom breaks. I have not slept

1050
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: through the night without having to get up to pe

1051
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: in months and years, maybe months and years, months and years. Please,

1052
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: if you're in your twenties and you have a bladder,

1053
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: please take it out to dinner, honey, take it out

1054
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: to dinner, give it a card, something, because you don't

1055
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: understand how important it is to you right in this

1056
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: moment of your life. Kiss it goodbye. If you're turn

1057
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: in thirty, honey, oh no, Joel, you're pissing your pants

1058
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: as I'll let talk of p I need to pee

1059
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: so bad now. Also, it's so funny we had the

1060
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: piss first comer ending with p It's crazy, it's so

1061
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: beautiful and we planned it that way. Yeah, we wrote

1062
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: this episode. It was really tightly scripted and directed and

1063
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: directed by Elizabeth Banks on Celtics Free version. Oh yeah,

1064
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, I used to love Version. When I finally upgraded,

1065
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, I'm a professional. Yeah. I

1066
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm rich, I'm the richest. Well, Joel,

1067
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: this has been an absolute blast. Yeah. Yeah, thanks for

1068
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: doing our second in person guest in three years. Wow.

1069
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: Well bye bye, okay bye