Speaker 1: I don't know that that's actually true. I think he's
Speaker 1: just a bad reader, and that's more embarrassing somehow, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like if he legitimately can't
Speaker 1: read the words, it's like, oh, the school system bailed him.
Speaker 1: This is terrible. But if he can only kind of
Speaker 1: sort of read nig, you don't get it together. Like
Speaker 1: if you can found that word out and you're like good,
Speaker 1: like you just had word out, Like you don't want
Speaker 1: to You want to know how to read Nick. If
Speaker 1: you can sing him play a piano, you can learn.
Speaker 1: If you can freestyle a song about dolphins, you can
Speaker 1: learn to sound out this shell silver Stein. Stop pretending
Speaker 1: like you're the victim here a killing racist pelt stuff.
Speaker 1: Can't tell me yea, yep, there it is. There it is.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another sensational episode of My
Speaker 1: Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep
Speaker 1: into the world of black conspiracy theories and we finally
Speaker 1: work to prove that Isaiah Washington is a descendant of
Speaker 1: George Washington, mostly in his raging homophobia and deep desire
Speaker 1: to revive slavery. That is their connection, that's their blood.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that their family believes in. It's probably
Speaker 1: on a crest somewhere that Isaiah Washington wears when he
Speaker 1: does commercials now for I think diabetes medication. I think
Speaker 1: that's more or less what his career has been reduced to.
Speaker 1: The man's not doing well. But he's a Trump supporter,
Speaker 1: and you got to respect that, don't we don't we folks,
Speaker 1: don't we have to respect isaia In Washington and his
Speaker 1: political beliefs. I sure beliefs. Though. I'm your Hostlanks and Kerman.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here as always. I have an
Speaker 1: exciting guest for you all. He's hilarious. You guys know
Speaker 1: him from writing on Amber Ruffin Show. You know him
Speaker 1: from writing on Michelle wolf Show. You know him from
Speaker 1: fucking being hilarious on Comedy Centrally so funny. You guys
Speaker 1: are gonna love him. Please give it up for Dwayne Perkins. Hello, clapping,
Speaker 1: a little clapping for you. Love that good. And we're
Speaker 1: all miserable, but those class make you feel a little
Speaker 1: less alone, and that's kind of nice. Alright. I felt
Speaker 1: alive for two seconds. Thanks. Well, let's take that liveness
Speaker 1: right out of your spirit, because you came to me
Speaker 1: with a conspiracy theory. You brought us a conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: that that I would say, is one of our more
Speaker 1: controversial picks. It's one that's gonna cause some stir in
Speaker 1: the audience at home that they're gonna feel something in
Speaker 1: reaction to what you chose. But you said, my mama
Speaker 1: told me Kelly didn't do it. And multiple times, and
Speaker 1: every time, like recently within I would say quarantine, she
Speaker 1: has tried to bring up this conversation, and each time
Speaker 1: I've been like, wait, okay, hold on, hold the phone,
Speaker 1: because what you're saying to me is your mom, in fact,
Speaker 1: did say this to you. This isn't because we just
Speaker 1: frame it. My mama told me. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be your mother. My mother literally has to Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: my goodness. Well, let's start there. Why why did she
Speaker 1: say this? She keeps bringing up the fact that she
Speaker 1: grew up with Sparkle okay, and she didn't like her,
Speaker 1: so she must be a liar, okay, all right? And
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's that's not how this works.
Speaker 1: And she was like, well, I know her, And I
Speaker 1: was like, but that's not this is not an indictment.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that her entire instinct is well,
Speaker 1: Sparkles a lion hope. So as long as Sparkles involved
Speaker 1: in this, I know my dear friend Robert couldn't have
Speaker 1: done anything. She literally calls him Robert. She does not
Speaker 1: call him, of course, call him Robert since since my childhood.
Speaker 1: And I was like, do you know this man? And
Speaker 1: she would say she did, but I don't think she did.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, she so she claims that she has in
Speaker 1: fact Matt Robert. Yes, she was like I know Robert
Speaker 1: and I was like how, and she'd be like, you know,
Speaker 1: I know Sparkle not the same. A lot of people
Speaker 1: know Sparkle, and a lot of people don't know r Kelly.
Speaker 1: This is not like a permanent like tether to the
Speaker 1: two of them. Most people don't even know who the
Speaker 1: fun Sparkle is anymore. I think, yeah, I mean, she's
Speaker 1: not like at the front of anybody's mind. I don't
Speaker 1: think unless you're watching that document And she watched the
Speaker 1: documentary and she was like, well, people wanted money, and
Speaker 1: it was just like a lot of her just doubting
Speaker 1: everybody except the man who wow, Okay, so how let's
Speaker 1: start there. How many and we're not starting anymore, we're
Speaker 1: in this ship. But how many episodes into the documentary
Speaker 1: did your mother go? I don't even think she finished
Speaker 1: the first one. I think she was just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, this goes against what I think, and I
Speaker 1: don't have the room to change. Sure, And that makes
Speaker 1: sense because there's no way you may get to episode
Speaker 1: six and then at the end you go, you know,
Speaker 1: I still don't think he did it women, and I
Speaker 1: think he's still pretty innocent. I think as soon as
Speaker 1: she saw Sparkle, she was triggered and she was like, nope,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Do you know how she knows Sparkle. They
Speaker 1: grew up in the same neighbor, Okay, so they were like,
Speaker 1: they went to school together, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I grew up with with her. And the whole time
Speaker 1: she was a line. How just a line? You know?
Speaker 1: You just can't you just can't trust it, which is wild.
Speaker 1: It's wild. It's wild that your mother is using that
Speaker 1: as justification for our Kelly being innocent. But alternatively, the
Speaker 1: fact that Sparkle is a lying hole does not necessarily
Speaker 1: make him anymore innocent, And that's sort of the point
Speaker 1: like she could in fact be a lying hole. I
Speaker 1: don't know Sparkle personally, but I'll go with your mom
Speaker 1: on that maybe she is a lying home. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't make the man not a pedophile. It just means
Speaker 1: she'd be lying sometimes. That's the point that I made
Speaker 1: to her, And then she, of course would bring out
Speaker 1: deeper things which I would then have to be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, that's crazy, where she basically saying like you know,
Speaker 1: like everybody knew, and I'd be like, yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: that doesn't anything. Yeah, we are sure, but like that
Speaker 1: makes it worse, right, that makes us complicit. That doesn't
Speaker 1: make him innocent of anything. Her thought is like, well,
Speaker 1: if we are new and anybody's saying nothing, then why
Speaker 1: are we trying to take him down now? And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, time, time because a concept and
Speaker 1: you know we don't control it. You know, trauma to
Speaker 1: even feel exponentially heavy on your spirit after a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like also like R Kelly was not like thriving
Speaker 1: where it's like now you gotta take him down at
Speaker 1: his height. It's like, no, his height was a while ago. Yeah. No.
Speaker 1: R Kelly admittedly has already said he's broke. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, y'all are just trying to take down a
Speaker 1: broke legend, is what he refers to himself as. So, yes,
Speaker 1: this certainly is not him and at his height by
Speaker 1: any means. And maybe she's just like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I get being like on the fence about his
Speaker 1: music and be like, oh, I really like this song
Speaker 1: and he's a bad person, But you can't just be
Speaker 1: like on the fence about like him just out here
Speaker 1: like being a pedophile. And that's not like that's just
Speaker 1: like a shower. And she recognizes that, I think, but
Speaker 1: she just refuses to acknowledge any of the implications of
Speaker 1: right that, if I'm hearing you correctly, it's not so
Speaker 1: much that she's like fully denying the possibility that he's
Speaker 1: a pedophile. She just doesn't like that that makes everyone
Speaker 1: around him and his music bad. That like, he could
Speaker 1: be a pedophile, but why we got to stop bumping
Speaker 1: the songs, why we got to stop enjoying the character
Speaker 1: that he's created. She basically says, like he's a pedophile,
Speaker 1: but it's not just him, it's everybody. So it's not
Speaker 1: like he shouldn't be the one that's just in trouble. Sure,
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, but we gotta start somewhere, Like
Speaker 1: that's a great first step. Holding him to some level
Speaker 1: of accountability would be uh, it would be a joy.
Speaker 1: It would be a great step forward in the way
Speaker 1: that we deal with these problems. Yeah, it's like she
Speaker 1: like blames him and I'm like great, and then she
Speaker 1: would like keep going to be like, but we should
Speaker 1: also blame the parents and the girls, And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you should have stopped like at the first one, like,
Speaker 1: let's just like handle one thing. Well, let's let's let's
Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit, because I think that some interesting
Speaker 1: stuff is coming up in this. I'm curious to know
Speaker 1: when she first said it to you, because it might,
Speaker 1: at least from what you're saying, she's been saying this
Speaker 1: for a long time. Right when she first said it
Speaker 1: to you, was there any part of you that thought
Speaker 1: maybe she was correct, that like, oh, maybe he didn't
Speaker 1: do it, Maybe he's not the bad guy that the
Speaker 1: world is telling me he is. No, not a single moment,
Speaker 1: it was just like so obvious. Like growing up in
Speaker 1: Chicago going to high school, R Kelly was like the
Speaker 1: candy man like there was just like Lord, like you
Speaker 1: just knew the nigga would be NPC cruise about Ken
Speaker 1: trying to get some girls, Like that was just like
Speaker 1: a thing, and like, yeah, that's a rape man who
Speaker 1: got good music. I didn't like, So there was never
Speaker 1: a doubt of like he didn't do it. I just
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Like people I wasn't listening to his
Speaker 1: music because of it. I just thought that like within
Speaker 1: the circle that I was in with their like life
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, we all know, like he made good music,
Speaker 1: so like these are two facts that just exist. He
Speaker 1: makes good music, and yeah, yeah, I think that makes
Speaker 1: perfect sense. The girl he paid on on tape at
Speaker 1: least went to my high school. And so it was
Speaker 1: one of those things where it was like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: all knew, but we're not unreasonable. We're still gonna step
Speaker 1: in the name of love. Like it's what am I?
Speaker 1: What am I better than the three songs that we
Speaker 1: got for our problem? You know what I mean? That
Speaker 1: like everybody wants to like the world's greatest makes me
Speaker 1: feel good about Yeah, there, you asked me to take
Speaker 1: that away. And also it's just like if the government
Speaker 1: ain't doing like a kind than doing ship. What am
Speaker 1: I gonna do? Right, Yes, And I think that that's
Speaker 1: something that to your your earlier point, we had to
Speaker 1: learn along the way, right, Like I didn't learn that, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have some accountability in the way that he progressed
Speaker 1: is or doesn't progress, and I can actually make adult choices,
Speaker 1: whereas when I was a kid, I'm like, fucking man,
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's a bad dude. He paid on
Speaker 1: that girl, I know, but we'll be all right, We're
Speaker 1: gonna keep keep dancing. That was my exactly. I think
Speaker 1: it like my uncle's had that tape just like next
Speaker 1: to like the normal like DVDs, like it would be
Speaker 1: like blade and then like the piss tape. And I'm
Speaker 1: just like that's crazy that, like this is so casual.
Speaker 1: This is child porn, right. That's also fascinating because as
Speaker 1: a child, I don't think it was ever presented as
Speaker 1: child porn, and it was not our colloquial circles, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure in court they're calling it child pornography. That's
Speaker 1: what he got arrested and charged for. But ultimately everybody
Speaker 1: I talked to it was just like a tape with
Speaker 1: a girl getting pete on and that's fucking nuts. Were not.
Speaker 1: It's insane that that was the narrative, just like you know,
Speaker 1: that's this little girl just tycle regular. It blows my
Speaker 1: mind to think back to those times to be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I didn't question. I remember very vividly having conversations with
Speaker 1: like girls that I knew whose biggest takeaway from the
Speaker 1: R Kelly tape was that he had a big penis
Speaker 1: more than the fact that he was painting on a child.
Speaker 1: That they were like, I don't know R Kelly hanging
Speaker 1: though I let R Kelly was like, whoa, this is
Speaker 1: problematically as fun, but also we're four teams, so who knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't have like any sense of morals. Clearly, it
Speaker 1: was just like you know happened. I think I I
Speaker 1: just wanted one of those sweet big paenises. I was
Speaker 1: here and about. I didn't know that that that big
Speaker 1: penis came with a cost, you know, And I was
Speaker 1: just like too busy trying to say, like, you know,
Speaker 1: let me pretend to like titties so I don't get
Speaker 1: beat up. I had to worry about some girl getting
Speaker 1: piste on. Unfortunately, But of course now there's foresight. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't like ditis being girls. Yeah, you gotta learn something.
Speaker 1: You learn a lot. What do you think it would
Speaker 1: take to finally turn your mother in the in the
Speaker 1: other direction on this whole r Kelly scenario. Is there
Speaker 1: anything in the world that could happen that would finally
Speaker 1: bring her around to being like, all right, fine, he's
Speaker 1: a bad guy. I think in her heart she knows,
Speaker 1: and I think she's just at a place where if
Speaker 1: she admits that, she's just gonna lose all faith in humanity.
Speaker 1: So I think she's like clinging on to this like
Speaker 1: idea of like everything I love can be bad, right,
Speaker 1: and just like look, lady, So maybe she needs like
Speaker 1: a legit therapy so that she can find other things
Speaker 1: to cling to. That's not n but yeah, yeah, she
Speaker 1: just needs like the process because when we talk about it,
Speaker 1: whenever she brings it up, I'm like, yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: want to do this because like I'm not the person
Speaker 1: to bring this up to because I'm not nice about
Speaker 1: him or this situation, And it always gets to a
Speaker 1: point where she can't deny it that she's just like
Speaker 1: we gotta stop talking. Just like I don't know why
Speaker 1: you write it up. I don't like talking to you anymore,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna walk away. Yeah, I get that. I
Speaker 1: do think that that is one of the more complicated
Speaker 1: elements of all of what's happening in society, right with
Speaker 1: like cancel culture, and cancel culture is a weighted term
Speaker 1: at this point that comes with all kinds of weird connotations.
Speaker 1: But I do think that at its root, what we're
Speaker 1: asking people to do is a super complicated ask inside
Speaker 1: of what should be basic morality. Right the basic thing
Speaker 1: is this person is bad. You shouldn't want them to
Speaker 1: be in your life. But what we're also trying to
Speaker 1: get people to do is undo every memory, every connotation,
Speaker 1: every connection they have to the past that relates to
Speaker 1: this person. And so maybe some of the the ask,
Speaker 1: maybe some of the starting point of this is not
Speaker 1: being like that dude's bad. You gotta like erased his
Speaker 1: music from all of your memory and more be like
Speaker 1: and that dud's bad. So maybe you know, try to
Speaker 1: filter it out. Let's let's wean you off of of kills,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, Like I was like
Speaker 1: first step, it's just like you can't victim blame and
Speaker 1: then she was like okay, and then I'm like that
Speaker 1: is a step, like you are learning you you still
Speaker 1: are not where I need you to be, but like
Speaker 1: this is a step, but like yeah, because like I
Speaker 1: also have to recognize just like resource wise and like
Speaker 1: I don't you don't think like me, I've done a
Speaker 1: lot more work, just like being like black and gay.
Speaker 1: Very early on, I had to like get to a
Speaker 1: point in there, like I cut any of golf at
Speaker 1: any moment, I don't care. And she just like she
Speaker 1: did she didn't have to deal with that, Like she
Speaker 1: just wasn't there, and I'm just like, okay, I will
Speaker 1: recognize like where you are in your journey mentally and
Speaker 1: like emotionally, but also move quicker because into that, Let's
Speaker 1: just start her off, get her to a point where
Speaker 1: she can go, you know what, that that that sparkle,
Speaker 1: she a line hole, but that line hole is a victim.
Speaker 1: And then if we can just get her to call
Speaker 1: that line hole a victim, then we can start to
Speaker 1: introduce conversations around hey, maybe you shouldn't want to hear
Speaker 1: that song anymore because this human produce that song off
Speaker 1: of the blood and tears of poor children or whatever.
Speaker 1: The funk it is that he used for inspiration. I
Speaker 1: have to like kin mentor like okay, take the blackness
Speaker 1: away for like two seconds, like look at him. Is
Speaker 1: just like a regular ask, like don't think it, like
Speaker 1: we ain't trying to bring no black man down. This
Speaker 1: is not that Like if we are just talking within
Speaker 1: blackness itself, blackness is now not a factor. Now judge
Speaker 1: this man. Yeah, and there you go, I think. And
Speaker 1: that's a and again that's a hefty ask, right, because
Speaker 1: because what we're talking about is generations of men who
Speaker 1: have been, you know, at least through various forms of evidence,
Speaker 1: have been falsely accused or connected to things that we
Speaker 1: know are not true. And so now your mom is
Speaker 1: doing math that doesn't belong in this equation, right, She's
Speaker 1: sitting here and looking at R Kelly like Emmett Till
Speaker 1: and that ain't that ain't the same vibe, not at all.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. Em Mat Till's music sucks, but he
Speaker 1: was an actual victim who deserves to be defended, whereas R.
Speaker 1: Kelly makes jams and it's a fucking monster. He was
Speaker 1: on the soundtrack to the Batman movie, and wright, is
Speaker 1: that what you know r Kelly best Ford has been
Speaker 1: on the soundtrack to Bid. You could have named any
Speaker 1: song and you're like, he was on the soundtrack to Batman,
Speaker 1: you know, the worst Batman that is a hero for
Speaker 1: white people, and he was on the soundtrack for that,
Speaker 1: so he was in the heart of that is very true.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I I sort of found
Speaker 1: as I was like unpacking, and we'll get into the
Speaker 1: research and a bit, but one of the things that
Speaker 1: I immediately found is a lot of people making that
Speaker 1: exact same claim, not about the Batman soundtrack, but just
Speaker 1: generally that like, I don't know, he made a lot
Speaker 1: of songs that like literally frame the way that we
Speaker 1: think about music. It's kind of hard to just be like, hey,
Speaker 1: fuck him forever and always truly every graduation. Like it
Speaker 1: was just like he made music that was like imbued
Speaker 1: into like the culture of blackness, which is like very
Speaker 1: difficult because you are seven year old childs to being like,
Speaker 1: you don't know, who are here pissing on people on children,
Speaker 1: on on literal children. What do you think it's gonna
Speaker 1: take for Chicago to fully untether themselves from Mark Kelly.
Speaker 1: Is it possible for the city of Chicago to finally
Speaker 1: like make peace with what he's done. I don't think
Speaker 1: it would be into that whole step in generation dies. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you're looking at them like like conservative voters, You're like,
Speaker 1: they just have to die off and then we can. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just I think it's gonna change like he has
Speaker 1: maybe because the whole he has on Chicago is like supernatural,
Speaker 1: and I just don't think it's gonna go nowhere until
Speaker 1: it's just like dissipate. It's like he has to die.
Speaker 1: All them people gotta die. At one point. R Kelly
Speaker 1: would just be like people we don't know about because
Speaker 1: everybody did. Okay, so just anybody, anybody in a flowing
Speaker 1: linen suit has to has to die away. Anybody who's
Speaker 1: ever stepped to a song has to die off, and
Speaker 1: then finally will be free of R Kelly and all
Speaker 1: of his burdens. If you own Stacy Adams, yea, if
Speaker 1: you've ever shut some sunflower seeds in your hand like
Speaker 1: you're about to roll dice, you gotta die. Otherwise R
Speaker 1: Kelly is always gonna be here yep K and g
Speaker 1: is gonna go out of bud. That's what it's gonna
Speaker 1: take and we're gonna take a break and we'll be
Speaker 1: back with more Duwayne Perkins and more. My mama told me,
Speaker 1: and we are that we're not gonna let Joe Biden
Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris cut America's meet. That's that's yeah, We're
Speaker 1: back here with more Dwayne Perkins more. My mama told me.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about that sinister acts are Kelly performed
Speaker 1: on many many people and the people who still defend him.
Speaker 1: Is there a possibility in your mind that R. Kelly
Speaker 1: is being sort of mistreated in any of this process,
Speaker 1: that like there's any of this that has been ConFlat
Speaker 1: did or brought to a larger scale than what he deserves.
Speaker 1: I don't know when when you think of it like
Speaker 1: macro versus micro, Like, there are some instances where I'm like, sure,
Speaker 1: is this black man not receiving? Like if this was
Speaker 1: a white man, would he be treated differently? There are
Speaker 1: moments like yeah, yes, obviously because niggas don't like nigga's
Speaker 1: like that's just like what the system is. But also
Speaker 1: on like a personal level, I'm like, ah, you know
Speaker 1: how life works. Yeah, Like I like there is a
Speaker 1: sympathy symbolically for a black man, but not for him, like,
Speaker 1: but as a symbol I'm like, I get it. Also,
Speaker 1: you cancel that out because you are a pedophile. Like
Speaker 1: I can't like rectify that within myself, but I can't
Speaker 1: like see like speak about it on like in a
Speaker 1: greater sense, but like personally not Yeah, no, I think
Speaker 1: that's fair. I think personally it would be a different
Speaker 1: conversation if R. Kelly were able to express any kind
Speaker 1: of remorse or self reflection in any of this that like,
Speaker 1: even and this doesn't excuse any of the choices, but
Speaker 1: even if you were able to go, like, yo, looking
Speaker 1: back on it, maybe I shouldn't have married that fifteen
Speaker 1: year old. That's inappropriate, and it was a different time
Speaker 1: in America, blah blah blah. Like then I could at
Speaker 1: least begin to understand the processing of a person like that.
Speaker 1: But as it is right now, it's just a dude
Speaker 1: being like, Nope, nope, the video you have ain't real.
Speaker 1: Any documentation you have of me doing stuff that you
Speaker 1: don't agree with, it ain't true. It's like, okay, bro,
Speaker 1: you're that's just sociopathic. That's like if you're not living
Speaker 1: in reality. So we can't even like pretend to have
Speaker 1: sympathy for you because we don't live in the same place.
Speaker 1: So like my sympathy and real because like we are
Speaker 1: in different dimensions, sir, if you can still sit here
Speaker 1: and be like, what that's not my face? Who mel Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know all of them personally, but like, okay, she's
Speaker 1: in my basement, but so what no, so what what
Speaker 1: y'all don't all have changed in your basements and little
Speaker 1: glass cupboards where you keep people wait, not people, just
Speaker 1: in general people. I don't have the pool table. People
Speaker 1: like pool table the basement. That's why she was done.
Speaker 1: There is a pool table with a people's size compartment
Speaker 1: in it. I don't understand what the problem is. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get into some of this research, because in researching
Speaker 1: the you know, R. Kelly didn't do it of it all.
Speaker 1: I think one of the ways that I could have
Speaker 1: gone about this is to do what we already know
Speaker 1: and go down the list of the facts that sort
Speaker 1: of proved that he absolutely is a rapist, is a pedophile,
Speaker 1: is a bunch of other creepy heavy words. What I
Speaker 1: thought was a little more interesting is to dig into
Speaker 1: some of the research of people who are still defending r. Kelly.
Speaker 1: So there are people like his sisters who even as
Speaker 1: of last year, came forward and said that they still
Speaker 1: believe that he's completely innocent and they're hoping that justice
Speaker 1: has served. There are fans and former co workers, if
Speaker 1: you will, or people on his record label who have
Speaker 1: come forward. There's even this girl, Dana Jackson, who has
Speaker 1: been seen multiple times outside of Robert Kelly's court cases
Speaker 1: holding up a sign that reads hashtag him too, which
Speaker 1: I love. I love that so much that that is
Speaker 1: layered that is I'm just like, where did her thought
Speaker 1: start and how did it get where it landed? Well,
Speaker 1: let's begin. I think where it started was hashtag me too.
Speaker 1: And he was like, okay, but that's about women, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, and that's primarily about obviously it implies
Speaker 1: that other people could be a part of it, but no,
Speaker 1: the movement was started by women about the injustices being
Speaker 1: brought on to women. But Robert is also being treated unjustly,
Speaker 1: and he's more important than women, and so he needs
Speaker 1: his own hashtag separate from these women, but also incorporates
Speaker 1: the tone and the language of this other hashtag. So
Speaker 1: hashtag him too. Mm. So not only is she protesting,
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm gonna take what y'all was protesting and
Speaker 1: shipped on that as I'm doing my protests just to
Speaker 1: make that way stronger. Because him too. I think you
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, I think you get it. And I
Speaker 1: think if you want to get it tattooed on yourself,
Speaker 1: I you know you won't get any judgment on this
Speaker 1: side of the table. I don't think about it. I
Speaker 1: am thinking about doing something for it the holidays that
Speaker 1: maybe on the table, bring that, you know what, Bring
Speaker 1: that home to the family and see how that's got
Speaker 1: to help heal you and your mother's relationship a little bit.
Speaker 1: She's gonna want to talk to you that way. That
Speaker 1: would definitely help us for sure. Maybe I'll get it
Speaker 1: with her, maybe we'll both get Maybe that would be
Speaker 1: her has that I love that matching hashtag him to
Speaker 1: tattoos is uh maybe the best idea of this podcast
Speaker 1: has ever produced, and I think you should definitely do it. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: in searching for real evidence, not just sort of like
Speaker 1: these opinion based things about r Kelly being innocent, one
Speaker 1: of the things that I landed on was this article
Speaker 1: called r. Kelly and the politics of truth, and so
Speaker 1: it really is less about proving that R. Kelly is innocent,
Speaker 1: because I don't think at this point anybody in fact
Speaker 1: can't do that. But it gets really heavy into like
Speaker 1: philosophical shit about what it means to label someone good
Speaker 1: or bad, or right or wrong, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So it basically unpacks a lot of ship that this
Speaker 1: French philosopher, this dude Michael Falcott, gets into. But he
Speaker 1: basically argues something called the regimes of truth theory, and
Speaker 1: this regimes of truth theory argues that political relations surrounding truth,
Speaker 1: meaning the ways in which facts can be altered by
Speaker 1: publicly established rules or norms, subsequently make socially accepted truth
Speaker 1: less truthful. Does that make sense? Yes, I'll try to
Speaker 1: put it in less weirdy wordy wordy words. What he's
Speaker 1: saying is I think that, like what we understand to
Speaker 1: be true, the sun is hot, right, Like that is
Speaker 1: a standard truth out in the world. The sun is
Speaker 1: in fact hot, But the reason we would call this
Speaker 1: hot is not always the same that if we ask
Speaker 1: a person from like ancient Egypt, why it's hot, they
Speaker 1: would say that the sun god ra made it hot, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's his way of like expressing his power and
Speaker 1: love for the earth. Whereas if we were to ask
Speaker 1: a physicist today, they would bring up a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff about like helium and hydrogen atoms and the explosions
Speaker 1: and mixing and blah blah blah. So all they are
Speaker 1: both true to the individuals. Politics and circumstances and history
Speaker 1: change the way that we understand those truths is dictated
Speaker 1: by point of view exactly that's exactly right. And and
Speaker 1: even more so just point of view. It's history and
Speaker 1: culture mixing into that point of view that makes it
Speaker 1: so complicated. So now that brings us into understanding what
Speaker 1: are kelly situation is. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: they argue in this article is that R. Kelly exists
Speaker 1: in a time where some of the things that he's
Speaker 1: understanding to be true or right or wrong, or even
Speaker 1: the world is socially accepting as norms, are in fact
Speaker 1: normal for that period. Right. Yes, I feel like you're
Speaker 1: not bought into this, and you won't say it. You're
Speaker 1: trying to be polite and like bite your tongue through it,
Speaker 1: and it's making me uncomfortable. And I won't sit through it.
Speaker 1: I refuse. I'm just trying, like I thought about, like
Speaker 1: this way of thinking is just like how I think normally,
Speaker 1: But the way that they're trying to use it for
Speaker 1: our Kelly is like a disconnect for me because like
Speaker 1: in my head and like I don't understand what truth
Speaker 1: he could have that could be so skewed by time, culture,
Speaker 1: context that he was still today still have that point
Speaker 1: of view. Sure, well, I think what we could argue
Speaker 1: is that if in fact, we allowed him to go
Speaker 1: on television and sit next to a fifteen year old
Speaker 1: girl wearing matching Mickey Mouse ears and outfits, right, that
Speaker 1: there's a level of acceptance that the world offered him.
Speaker 1: That if you are a person so detached from reality
Speaker 1: that you don't begin to recognize that like, oh, that
Speaker 1: acceptance was mostly out of ignorance and sort of like
Speaker 1: bad decision making more than it is out of like
Speaker 1: a real healthy perspective, then you can continue to behave
Speaker 1: that way despite the fact that the world feels differently. Sure,
Speaker 1: but like, what are we supposed to do about that
Speaker 1: as far as fixing it, as far as it's like
Speaker 1: his way of thinking, If like if we're judging his
Speaker 1: actions by this idea of like, oh, well, he was
Speaker 1: made to think that, like this thing was okay because
Speaker 1: of the circumstances that he was in. Like sure, but
Speaker 1: like what then, but like what now? Are we just
Speaker 1: supposed to be like all right, that's cool. Well, well,
Speaker 1: I'll say two things that. Number one, I think that
Speaker 1: that part of what philosophy does is just make stuff
Speaker 1: thinking and not make stuff solution based. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: how did we think about the things that we thought
Speaker 1: and why did we think those things? It doesn't actually
Speaker 1: go like and this is how you fix it? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And then number two, I'll say
Speaker 1: that I don't know that their argument is to say
Speaker 1: that R. Kelly in any way is not a monster
Speaker 1: in this, but more to say that like the world,
Speaker 1: being slightly complicit in his behavior and choices ultimately leads
Speaker 1: us down the path where R. Kelly gets away with
Speaker 1: it for much longer than he should have. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of what my mother was saying, but
Speaker 1: in like a more good way of just being like,
Speaker 1: but look at everything goes I mean being like, yes,
Speaker 1: I've thought about this, and like, even with that context,
Speaker 1: this is a conversation that should be bigger, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't make this conversation that we're having smaller. There, we
Speaker 1: can expand this conversation to include those ways of thinking,
Speaker 1: but those ways of thinking doesn't take away from anything
Speaker 1: that has been discussed thus far about him and his actions. Sure,
Speaker 1: and I think to that point, we could go down.
Speaker 1: We can go down uh historical train right where we say, like, well,
Speaker 1: back in you know, Socrates day, they used to have
Speaker 1: sex with little boys, and that was a way of
Speaker 1: in their mind, passing on wisdom. It was the physical
Speaker 1: act of sharing wisdom with another person, was to have
Speaker 1: sex with someone younger than you, specifically a young man,
Speaker 1: as a way of empowering them and making them better
Speaker 1: for the world. Right, And maybe R. Kelly somehow is
Speaker 1: justified because these older generations did this thing. But to
Speaker 1: your point, the context that we live in right now
Speaker 1: doesn't offer any of those compromises. Whether we introduce the
Speaker 1: Socrates conversation or not. Are Kelly was still going to
Speaker 1: high schools to pick up little girls? That ain't said
Speaker 1: Socrates ain't say shit about that. Yeah, Like that's like
Speaker 1: if the context that we exist in, it is not
Speaker 1: the context that the argument exists, and then we can't
Speaker 1: just like say that they're the same because we're like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not what he's doing. Make sure this is a
Speaker 1: bigger conversation that's philosophical and nature. But that's exactly what
Speaker 1: it is, is critical thing, thing about ideas, but we're
Speaker 1: not talking about ideas. We're talking about this go up
Speaker 1: to physical places to pick up children. So like, I
Speaker 1: think that's right. We can like both of those conversations
Speaker 1: can exist, they just don't exist in the same lane
Speaker 1: because they're not in the same lane, right that. Yes,
Speaker 1: but one of those lanes has a little girl in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those lanes got a little girl in and
Speaker 1: it's got a real nice Cadillac Escalade pulling up right
Speaker 1: next to the little girl and saying, get in, a
Speaker 1: little girl, I'm taking you to the studio. Boy, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought it was a pretty good riff,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna bite back on that. Uh, here's
Speaker 1: something else that I thought was interesting and sort of
Speaker 1: and this goes back to your mother's argument about the
Speaker 1: possibility that he could have been wrongfully convicted or wrongfully
Speaker 1: even accused. Is that nine thousand seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: people are wrongfully convicted every every year in the United States,
Speaker 1: nine thousand, seven hundred and fifty people are wrongfully convicted
Speaker 1: every year. And then on top of that, only one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine people are exonerated were exonerated rather
Speaker 1: in that's basically less than two per cent of the
Speaker 1: people that are going to prison for a crime they
Speaker 1: didn't commit being released and made, you know, getting their
Speaker 1: names cleared afterwards. I mean, those statistics are terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're heartbreaking statistics. Yeah, yeah. And I do think that's
Speaker 1: also a conversation that like, I think that most people
Speaker 1: aren't equipped to think about things in such a large
Speaker 1: way that they encompass many people's feelings at the same time.
Speaker 1: M hm, Because I think that there is a way
Speaker 1: to listen to a woman when they accused a person
Speaker 1: of a thing, and then also be cognizant of like, oh,
Speaker 1: there is another person attached to this accusation. We also
Speaker 1: have to be aware of this person's feelings as well,
Speaker 1: while still recognizing that like the person that's accusing the
Speaker 1: person of this is also going through something. And I
Speaker 1: just don't think we as people are just like smart
Speaker 1: enough to deal with that. So it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think even to that point,
Speaker 1: we've created a weird language around sexual abuse where it's
Speaker 1: almost heroes and monsters and not human beings doing human
Speaker 1: ship to each other. Right, And so at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, to your point, if someone is accused,
Speaker 1: be it wrongfully or rightfully accused of something, we're talking
Speaker 1: about a human being's experience on both sides of this thing,
Speaker 1: and we should be able to analyze it as it
Speaker 1: in that way, instead of going, oh, this victim who
Speaker 1: is now like the you know, coming forward, what a
Speaker 1: hero versus this monster who did a horrible thing to them?
Speaker 1: And we don't want to hear any words from the monster.
Speaker 1: We can't possibly hear the monster's perspective. And there should
Speaker 1: be a balance of both of those things. We should
Speaker 1: be able to listen to a human cry out about
Speaker 1: very honest human things, and then we should simultaneously be
Speaker 1: able to hear, whether right or wrong, their defense of
Speaker 1: what they think this thing is, and then come to
Speaker 1: a conclusion from that that truth. Yes, And I think
Speaker 1: that's why it's so difficult, because I think we'd have
Speaker 1: to similar to have I feel about everything in this country,
Speaker 1: Like you'd have to like start from the bottom to
Speaker 1: create like a new sense of speaking about these things,
Speaker 1: because even being accused, it's so loaded down that like
Speaker 1: the language on which you'd have to speak about it
Speaker 1: to get your side out without blaming the victim or like,
Speaker 1: there's just like not a language to really encompass both
Speaker 1: of these people within this situation. And so I just think,
Speaker 1: like from job, it's just like soiled, it's just like
Speaker 1: a system. Yeah, And I think it's it goes even
Speaker 1: beyond the system, right, is that? Like when we think
Speaker 1: about the r Kelly victims involved in this, so many
Speaker 1: of the defenses, and you brought up some of them
Speaker 1: are like for even these young girls, fourteen fifteen year
Speaker 1: old girls were like she's fast, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: She she's a loose girl, even though she's a child.
Speaker 1: She's in it for the money. Her parents should have
Speaker 1: been watching her. They got something out of it, to
Speaker 1: be at fame or attention. There's so many different ways
Speaker 1: we can change the scope of this argument away from
Speaker 1: the actual issue, which is that forty year old man
Speaker 1: should not insert himself in that child period. It's just
Speaker 1: and that's what it feels like. Just like there's like
Speaker 1: facts to be like if we just recognize like logic
Speaker 1: and how like the human experience work. There's no world
Speaker 1: in which we can put onus on this child when
Speaker 1: there's a forty year old man involved, Like there's just
Speaker 1: like not a situation where he should not have had
Speaker 1: more foresight than his child. So there's just like no
Speaker 1: world where I can ever like blame a child, because
Speaker 1: I'm just like, these are situations like as a child,
Speaker 1: and we've all been children. That's how you become a
Speaker 1: grown up. You understand power, like society works with power
Speaker 1: and dynamics. Also, I understand that you're probably dumb as
Speaker 1: a child. You don't have foresight because you're a child,
Speaker 1: so you're making decisions based on the decade and some
Speaker 1: years you've been alive, whereas this forty year old man
Speaker 1: as forty years under his belt. So there's just no
Speaker 1: world where we're comparing the knowledge or the experience of
Speaker 1: these two parties. And to even consider that child to
Speaker 1: be equal to that grown up, we're already starting from
Speaker 1: like a place of bad faith, because like that's not
Speaker 1: that's just not gonna work. I think you make a
Speaker 1: good point, but consider this, what if that forty year
Speaker 1: old can't read? What if he doesn't know what the
Speaker 1: word foresight means? Now are getting into rocky territory. I
Speaker 1: guess we could agree R Kelly's innocent. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you can't read, I really do think that cancels out
Speaker 1: everything you've ever done. Sure, I mean he have a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the circles they can't read. But
Speaker 1: this brings me to what I would say, is is
Speaker 1: maybe the final sort of conclusion I came to in
Speaker 1: the possibility or the at least exploration of R. Kelly's innocence.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I sort of landed on
Speaker 1: and studying all of this stuff was a theory that
Speaker 1: I'm coining, the p falls in the woods theory, right,
Speaker 1: And so many people who continue to work with R.
Speaker 1: Kelly basically claim that they maintain his innocence, not because
Speaker 1: they actually believe that he's innocence, but most of them
Speaker 1: just go, well, I didn't see the tape, so I
Speaker 1: can't prove it one way or the other. Like I
Speaker 1: can't call him guilty if I didn't see the actual
Speaker 1: crime that otherwise would make him guilty. There or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep getting this money. I mean, I didn't see
Speaker 1: the Titanic, but I'm still like that ship happened. That's
Speaker 1: that terrible defense, like Nick's die and you don't be
Speaker 1: like I had to be there, just know that was shot,
Speaker 1: Like do you also think that that didn't happen? Like
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense. And if anybody would say
Speaker 1: that to be like, I think you can't read either.
Speaker 1: I think you're downe right that it's it. It has
Speaker 1: a not only is it tone deaf in in its response,
Speaker 1: it also it has a level of like idiocy to it,
Speaker 1: where it's like, all right, man, so you just have
Speaker 1: to see all the stuff for you to believe that
Speaker 1: the stuff happened. You just just say you wanted more
Speaker 1: money and this dude makes great music and you're happy
Speaker 1: to be connected to his business. It's like you're saying
Speaker 1: out loud that you're thinking capacity is that of a
Speaker 1: dog and a baby, like you like that's crazy, Like no,
Speaker 1: right now, here's a conclusion that came out of the
Speaker 1: article that I do think is worth exploring for a second.
Speaker 1: One of the things that they sort of introduced and
Speaker 1: I don't even know if this is their intention, But
Speaker 1: I'm not a researcher or a scientist, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make it something more complicated than I think they were
Speaker 1: leading to. But one of the things they ask is
Speaker 1: how much of our current truth is going to remain
Speaker 1: true for the remainder of human existence? Right much in
Speaker 1: the way that you know, Socrates teaching us to have
Speaker 1: sex with little boys is no longer a truth that
Speaker 1: we accept. How much of the things that we're currently
Speaker 1: accepting as a truth are going to remain exactly that
Speaker 1: all the way down the line? Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And so the big question that left me
Speaker 1: with is in a thousand years or a hundred years,
Speaker 1: assuming we make it that long, we won't. But a
Speaker 1: thousand years from now, will we still see R. Kelly
Speaker 1: as a monster or is he going to be then
Speaker 1: like sort of like viewed as something other than a
Speaker 1: monster because of the chan ages and culture and history
Speaker 1: that make his crimes less criminal. Sure, I also think
Speaker 1: we just like probably not gonna be talking about R.
Speaker 1: Kelly in a thousand years, um, like he was impacted,
Speaker 1: but like not a thousand years like we barely talked
Speaker 1: about Like I don't I mean like Socrates, Like it's R.
Speaker 1: Kelly the Socrates at our time. I don't know made
Speaker 1: he is to some people, um drop in the closets.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, um, but sure, I think there's
Speaker 1: a world we look at people like what's that that
Speaker 1: man who killed everybody Kniskan, Like he just murdered everybody,
Speaker 1: and we still just he's still just in the consciousness
Speaker 1: nickuld still be bringing him up. Um sure anything may
Speaker 1: just murder everybody. He raped everybody in there, everybody, and
Speaker 1: and part of that is now. And the reason we
Speaker 1: know that he raped everybody is because I think it's
Speaker 1: some crazy number where it's like eight percent of the
Speaker 1: entire world's population descends from Genghis Khan. That like he
Speaker 1: was so good at raping that he literally created our genealogy,
Speaker 1: our entire like family history, and we're all connected somehow
Speaker 1: to this dude. And so to your point, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to know the way that we're going
Speaker 1: to view people. Maybe our Kelly won't matter, Maybe he's
Speaker 1: going to completely become like absent in the minds of
Speaker 1: the people of the future. But if he does matter,
Speaker 1: we hope that he's at least remembered as you know,
Speaker 1: a rapist and not a good thinker Socrates if you will,
Speaker 1: rais who was on the Batman's object. There it is.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take another break and we'll be back with
Speaker 1: more Dwayne Perkins and more. My mama told me and
Speaker 1: we a that you ever feel, you know, not so fresh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back there with more Dwayne Ferkins more. And my
Speaker 1: mama told me. We're still hoping that R. Kelly isn't
Speaker 1: the Socrates of our time, but there's no way to know.
Speaker 1: We'll just have to check back in a thousand years
Speaker 1: from now when the Earth is almost certainly melted and
Speaker 1: or covered in giant hunks of ice. Who knows? You
Speaker 1: got a plan? You think you do? You have any
Speaker 1: idea what the Earth is gonna look like a thousand
Speaker 1: years from now? Um, I think it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: a bunch of pollution. And then we as humans are
Speaker 1: going to evolve very few of us stuff, and we
Speaker 1: just we're gonna be able to like breathe, and I
Speaker 1: think the life expectancies can probably be like thirty two
Speaker 1: or something. Do you think we're going back to like
Speaker 1: Jesus time where it's like, yeah, we are going back
Speaker 1: because we're not living longer. Well Jesus, now they like
Speaker 1: layered for a very long time, like Adam was like
Speaker 1: a million years older. Wait no, in the Old Testament,
Speaker 1: they lived a long time and lived like six weeks.
Speaker 1: They were they were like house flides. I think is
Speaker 1: is how that changed. Yeah, yes, then we're going back
Speaker 1: to that. Okay, yeah, because Abraham was liked and nineties
Speaker 1: six and they were all them kids and they kept
Speaker 1: being like, Abraham, are you gonna die? He's like, I
Speaker 1: mean at some point, but I still got stories to
Speaker 1: make up. When God, Okay, I want to play a game.
Speaker 1: We have a fun game that a brand new game
Speaker 1: that I'm calling Trapped in the Time Capsule, like teenage girls,
Speaker 1: when you say teenage how are we talking? Okay, trapped
Speaker 1: in the Time Capsule. It's a fun game that we're
Speaker 1: gonna play in which I've pulled up a few reviews,
Speaker 1: a couple of reviews of Trapped in the Closet that
Speaker 1: were written at the time that R. Kelly produced this
Speaker 1: quote unquote masterpiece. And what I would love for you
Speaker 1: to do. I'm gonna read the reviews and I just
Speaker 1: would love for you to give your general thoughts on them.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about this review? Do you feel
Speaker 1: like it is a good capturing of what people were
Speaker 1: feeling or should be feeling about what R Kelly is doing? Cool? Yes,
Speaker 1: hell yeah? Okay, I'll start with this one. Ten out
Speaker 1: of ten this person, Carrot Park wrote, appear musical masterpiece.
Speaker 1: R Kelly is a horrible person, but this is amazing.
Speaker 1: I was shocked in this unintentional comedy gold. Everything from
Speaker 1: the beat to the extreme plot points just amazing. Recommend
Speaker 1: to anyone with thirty minutes to spare. But after chapter
Speaker 1: twelve sucks your thoughts, so you're agree it's it's genius,
Speaker 1: but also yes, yeah, and then after twelve I was like,
Speaker 1: this too much, I have to say, and this is
Speaker 1: very bad that that I'm thinking back on it. And
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, I did like a live singing
Speaker 1: I trapped in the closet at Second City. Was like
Speaker 1: a bunch of people and it was like a whole thing,
Speaker 1: and it was so fun now in hindsight, and like
Speaker 1: that was very recent. What the funk were we doing?
Speaker 1: But it did provide like comedy and like drama. It
Speaker 1: was very fun to do, and I think we just
Speaker 1: ignored the fact that it was from him, which is bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I similarly, uh much in the way that we find
Speaker 1: ways to sort of have fun with the r kelly
Speaker 1: of it all. I used to do a joke where
Speaker 1: I talked about the girl who went to my high
Speaker 1: school getting paid on and how I was, you know,
Speaker 1: you find ways of existing in this trauma whatever. And
Speaker 1: I then later sort of reflected on that, and it felt,
Speaker 1: uh this tasteful, not not in that I don't think
Speaker 1: we should be able to laugh at that stuff. I
Speaker 1: actually think that we should a hundred percents should and
Speaker 1: I hope that we find ways to find comedy in it.
Speaker 1: But I do think that some of the comedy needs
Speaker 1: to be coming from the person experiencing it directly, and
Speaker 1: not just a nigga who borrowed a pencil from a
Speaker 1: girl and being like that's funny, I'm a crag jokes
Speaker 1: about that, uh huh, Like like the intention matters, and
Speaker 1: be like why am I saying this? Like is it funny? Like? Sure,
Speaker 1: but like who is this more like? And to that
Speaker 1: I think I I also began to take a little
Speaker 1: bit of issue and doing that in front of white audiences,
Speaker 1: where it started to feel like, all right, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of victims in this joke, and y'all just they're
Speaker 1: all black, and y'all just laughing at them in a
Speaker 1: way that I don't love. So maybe that's not going
Speaker 1: to be the joke for me for a while. And
Speaker 1: I would say, what, like one thing for me personally
Speaker 1: from trapped in the closet, I was thirsty for any
Speaker 1: gay contact in the moment like chucking them came and
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's surprisingly yeah, and and much in the
Speaker 1: way these reviews are describing, there's a lot of twists
Speaker 1: and turns and a lot of surprising gay moments. When
Speaker 1: Chuck screamed out he was in love, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? All right, let's get into another review.
Speaker 1: This is a ten out of ten as well. This one,
Speaker 1: says R. Kelly convert E. Easy to describe this one.
Speaker 1: You will either love it or hate it. Look through
Speaker 1: the comments they are pretty much all either one or ten,
Speaker 1: with only a few fence sitters. Personally, I saw this
Speaker 1: for what it truly is the funniest, most entertaining, complex
Speaker 1: and interwoven. Loved. I don't even know that word ever
Speaker 1: conceived personally. When my friend told me Keith sent me
Speaker 1: something in the post that I loved chapter nine, I
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be a book. When R Kelly,
Speaker 1: Trapped in Clauset arrived several days later, little did I
Speaker 1: know that my life would be forever changed. Well that's
Speaker 1: an exaggeration, but I did laugh from start to finish.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, anything that can ever do,
Speaker 1: can do even half of that, deserves every award ever.
Speaker 1: I don't they didn't proof read this at all. If
Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to see this, then do If
Speaker 1: you've heard of this film and get past the low
Speaker 1: rating and make it to the comments, then take it
Speaker 1: as a sign something has compelled you this far, So
Speaker 1: don't go away. Actively seek it out and spend the
Speaker 1: most entertaining minutes of your short life. The world needs
Speaker 1: more laughter. Open the door. I feel like that was
Speaker 1: a little heavy handed because it went like all of that,
Speaker 1: like girl chill, like it had something like giggles like.
Speaker 1: It was fine, but I don't think it was like
Speaker 1: the best thing ever. It just felt like almost like
Speaker 1: a parody of like Tyler Perry. It just felt like
Speaker 1: very like you were in on like a joke, like oh,
Speaker 1: this is funny, because we know what this is. And honestly,
Speaker 1: at the time it came out, I think maybe I
Speaker 1: just didn't realize like how many victims it was because
Speaker 1: I just was like, yeah, he like his great ship,
Speaker 1: but like he probably like regrets it. And then later
Speaker 1: when you find out he didn't, that's when it's like,
Speaker 1: but like during that particular period, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: look he's like grown up stuff. Now. I do think
Speaker 1: to your point, there was a period where it seemed like, oh,
Speaker 1: it was just that one girl and that's that's okay,
Speaker 1: And it's like, that's not okay. It's actually still pretty
Speaker 1: fucked up. But I think the society made a choice
Speaker 1: where it's like, hi, once we could deal with one,
Speaker 1: and then it turned out it was one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety three, and it's like, okay, that's a different conversation. Man,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that meaning. I just made up
Speaker 1: a random number. That's actually but I wouldn't put it
Speaker 1: past them to it. There's no way r Kelly's number
Speaker 1: isn't lower than a hundred and ninety three, and he
Speaker 1: clearly doesn't enjoy adult women that much. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say a hundred Okay, I said, okay, hell yeah, tell
Speaker 1: your friend. Uh there's the last review. This one's my
Speaker 1: personal favorite, and this one's a one out of ten stars.
Speaker 1: Much like the previous one alluded to, they're all either
Speaker 1: ones or tens, But this one says R. Kelly is
Speaker 1: a disgrace to all black people. Not only that, but
Speaker 1: he is also a disgrace to the entire human race.
Speaker 1: Go away, are Kelly. You were this close to being cool,
Speaker 1: but you just had to pee on the bitch, didn't you?
Speaker 1: Didn't you? I hate you, Are Kelly, I really really
Speaker 1: hate you. I think you are this generation's hitler. You suck.
Speaker 1: In case you didn't get the idea, I'll give you
Speaker 1: some director's commentary. I hate you. I seriously do not
Speaker 1: like this movie and the IMDb comments rule. And also
Speaker 1: I hope the so called stars of this feature understand
Speaker 1: that they will never get an acting job again. See
Speaker 1: you in porn, folks. I also feel bad about the
Speaker 1: people who worked with him on this project. Did they
Speaker 1: like No, he was a joke. I don't understand how
Speaker 1: this even exists. Wow, okay that person. I love their passion.
Speaker 1: First of all, uh really the amount of tithings that
Speaker 1: they said I hate you, yes, made it, made it,
Speaker 1: made it very clear. There were a few parts that
Speaker 1: I was like, you're overstepping. You can't say that these
Speaker 1: people won't get jobs again because some of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Kay Williams works, and so I'm like saying, your
Speaker 1: lane and your lanes is your emotions, which I'm I'm
Speaker 1: bored for and like, yeah, hate him. Um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that review. I gave it a ten out of ten. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll give it a nine out of ten because they
Speaker 1: didn't like them overstepping to speak to the actors. They
Speaker 1: don't know what situations they ran, right, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: love I really love how much they hate it. I
Speaker 1: do not agree that he's okay depending on who wrote it,
Speaker 1: because my feelings will change. I think if if a
Speaker 1: black woman caught him the Hitler of our generation, I
Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, there's an argument there because his
Speaker 1: victims were all black women. That speaks a lot to
Speaker 1: like systemic problems with him, like culture as a whole.
Speaker 1: M hm. So that like helps me there. But if
Speaker 1: it's not. I just want to know, like, what have
Speaker 1: your life been to like that? This is the person
Speaker 1: I'm like, so, what are like these other people like that? Bar?
Speaker 1: Like they said that bar? So I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: so people who are like more terrible than him? Who
Speaker 1: were who you got? Like? Who? Yeah? The deck. I
Speaker 1: will say that it and I could be wrong, but
Speaker 1: it felt like a white person wrote it. And that's
Speaker 1: how well calling him Hitler felt a little bit like
Speaker 1: come on, big dog. We could point out a few
Speaker 1: more Hitlers before we get to R. Kelly. I know
Speaker 1: he's not a good guy. I'm not saying there are
Speaker 1: you know, he's not Hitler Adjason, but there are a
Speaker 1: few white options for you to go down the list
Speaker 1: on before you get to Art Kelly by you know,
Speaker 1: including presidents. Even if they said like Hitler too little
Speaker 1: black women, I'd be like, okay, that sense you study
Speaker 1: all right, But just like generally, I'm like, okay, you
Speaker 1: you that's too broad right there. So again, based on
Speaker 1: this review you're giving Sky Captain, you're saying a not
Speaker 1: out of ten, largely for passion and not necessarily for
Speaker 1: accurate I'll take it back. I'm now aiming at like
Speaker 1: a seven, because now I do think that they are Caucasian,
Speaker 1: and that does paint it differently for me. Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Uh And you know what, I can't argue with you.
Speaker 1: I think a seven seems reasonable. Thank you for your passion,
Speaker 1: but maybe do a little bit more research before you
Speaker 1: go calling the nigga who was on the Batman soundtrack, Hitler,
Speaker 1: because they let Hitler about Listen. I've listened to every
Speaker 1: Batman soundtrack and not one song from Hitler, not one.
Speaker 1: M This is great, Dwayne. Thank you for being here,
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. Could you tell the people
Speaker 1: at home where they can find you what cool ship
Speaker 1: you have going on? Oh? Yeah, yeah, you can find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter. It's just Dwayne Perkins. It's d e W.
Speaker 1: Because there's another stand up comedian that has my same
Speaker 1: name and I'm not him. And then our Instagram is
Speaker 1: duyne K Perkins. Um yeah, was Friday's on Peacock? I
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Speaker 1: you're into, I'm not gonna follow you back. I'm a
Speaker 1: sick oh that way, but I'm happy you're following me
Speaker 1: and I didn't have to say any of this last part.
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