WEBVTT - A Closet Full of Robert (with Dewayne Perkins) 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:05.920 I don't know that that's actually true. I think he's 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:09.280 just a bad reader, and that's more embarrassing somehow, do 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:11.560 you know what I mean? Like if he legitimately can't 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:16.120 read the words, it's like, oh, the school system bailed him. 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.480 This is terrible. But if he can only kind of 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.880 sort of read nig, you don't get it together. Like 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:23.880 if you can found that word out and you're like good, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.320 like you just had word out, Like you don't want 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.840 to You want to know how to read Nick. If 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.080 you can sing him play a piano, you can learn. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.720 If you can freestyle a song about dolphins, you can 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:41.120 learn to sound out this shell silver Stein. Stop pretending 0:00:41.200 --> 0:01:02.320 like you're the victim here a killing racist pelt stuff. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:10.800 Can't tell me yea, yep, there it is. There it is. 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:15.920 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another sensational episode of My 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:20.000 Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.360 into the world of black conspiracy theories and we finally 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.280 work to prove that Isaiah Washington is a descendant of 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:32.319 George Washington, mostly in his raging homophobia and deep desire 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:37.440 to revive slavery. That is their connection, that's their blood. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.720 That's the thing that their family believes in. It's probably 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.080 on a crest somewhere that Isaiah Washington wears when he 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.240 does commercials now for I think diabetes medication. I think 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.120 that's more or less what his career has been reduced to. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.160 The man's not doing well. But he's a Trump supporter, 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.080 and you got to respect that, don't we don't we folks, 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.000 don't we have to respect isaia In Washington and his 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.520 political beliefs. I sure beliefs. Though. I'm your Hostlanks and Kerman. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.160 I'm happy to be here as always. I have an 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.480 exciting guest for you all. He's hilarious. You guys know 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.320 him from writing on Amber Ruffin Show. You know him 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.639 from writing on Michelle wolf Show. You know him from 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.519 fucking being hilarious on Comedy Centrally so funny. You guys 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:27.960 are gonna love him. Please give it up for Dwayne Perkins. Hello, clapping, 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:35.480 a little clapping for you. Love that good. And we're 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.200 all miserable, but those class make you feel a little 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.880 less alone, and that's kind of nice. Alright. I felt 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:45.560 alive for two seconds. Thanks. Well, let's take that liveness 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.960 right out of your spirit, because you came to me 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.160 with a conspiracy theory. You brought us a conspiracy theory 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.200 that that I would say, is one of our more 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.360 controversial picks. It's one that's gonna cause some stir in 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.360 the audience at home that they're gonna feel something in 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.720 reaction to what you chose. But you said, my mama 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:15.840 told me Kelly didn't do it. And multiple times, and 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.800 every time, like recently within I would say quarantine, she 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.400 has tried to bring up this conversation, and each time 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.720 I've been like, wait, okay, hold on, hold the phone, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.200 because what you're saying to me is your mom, in fact, 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.800 did say this to you. This isn't because we just 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:33.760 frame it. My mama told me. It doesn't have to 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:38.320 be your mother. My mother literally has to Jesus Christ, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.840 my goodness. Well, let's start there. Why why did she 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:46.040 say this? She keeps bringing up the fact that she 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.680 grew up with Sparkle okay, and she didn't like her, 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.800 so she must be a liar, okay, all right? And 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.320 I was like, man, that's that's not how this works. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.520 And she was like, well, I know her, And I 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.200 was like, but that's not this is not an indictment. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.960 I love that. I love that her entire instinct is well, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:12.080 Sparkles a lion hope. So as long as Sparkles involved 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.400 in this, I know my dear friend Robert couldn't have 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.719 done anything. She literally calls him Robert. She does not 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.440 call him, of course, call him Robert since since my childhood. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.880 And I was like, do you know this man? And 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.080 she would say she did, but I don't think she did. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.000 Oh wait, she so she claims that she has in 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.680 fact Matt Robert. Yes, she was like I know Robert 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.000 and I was like how, and she'd be like, you know, 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:41.080 I know Sparkle not the same. A lot of people 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.960 know Sparkle, and a lot of people don't know r Kelly. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.920 This is not like a permanent like tether to the 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.200 two of them. Most people don't even know who the 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.479 fun Sparkle is anymore. I think, yeah, I mean, she's 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.080 not like at the front of anybody's mind. I don't 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.120 think unless you're watching that document And she watched the 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.400 documentary and she was like, well, people wanted money, and 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.360 it was just like a lot of her just doubting 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:09.640 everybody except the man who wow, Okay, so how let's 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.000 start there. How many and we're not starting anymore, we're 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.360 in this ship. But how many episodes into the documentary 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:21.040 did your mother go? I don't even think she finished 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:22.800 the first one. I think she was just like, you 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:24.599 know what, this goes against what I think, and I 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.279 don't have the room to change. Sure, And that makes 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.360 sense because there's no way you may get to episode 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.080 six and then at the end you go, you know, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.680 I still don't think he did it women, and I 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.840 think he's still pretty innocent. I think as soon as 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.800 she saw Sparkle, she was triggered and she was like, nope, 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.880 that's fair. Do you know how she knows Sparkle. They 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.440 grew up in the same neighbor, Okay, so they were like, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.039 they went to school together, and she was like, yeah, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.920 I grew up with with her. And the whole time 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.240 she was a line. How just a line? You know? 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.880 You just can't you just can't trust it, which is wild. 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.320 It's wild. It's wild that your mother is using that 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.800 as justification for our Kelly being innocent. But alternatively, the 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.719 fact that Sparkle is a lying hole does not necessarily 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.599 make him anymore innocent, And that's sort of the point 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.960 like she could in fact be a lying hole. I 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.839 don't know Sparkle personally, but I'll go with your mom 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.000 on that maybe she is a lying home. But that 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.840 doesn't make the man not a pedophile. It just means 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.000 she'd be lying sometimes. That's the point that I made 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.360 to her, And then she, of course would bring out 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.520 deeper things which I would then have to be like, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.520 oh no, that's crazy, where she basically saying like you know, 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.880 like everybody knew, and I'd be like, yeah, but that's 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:50.600 that doesn't anything. Yeah, we are sure, but like that 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.200 makes it worse, right, that makes us complicit. That doesn't 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.719 make him innocent of anything. Her thought is like, well, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.160 if we are new and anybody's saying nothing, then why 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:01.960 are we trying to take him down now? And I 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.080 was like, you know, time, time because a concept and 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:10.960 you know we don't control it. You know, trauma to 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.360 even feel exponentially heavy on your spirit after a while. Yeah, 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.520 And like also like R Kelly was not like thriving 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.040 where it's like now you gotta take him down at 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:25.600 his height. It's like, no, his height was a while ago. Yeah. No. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:30.200 R Kelly admittedly has already said he's broke. He said, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.040 you know, y'all are just trying to take down a 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:37.040 broke legend, is what he refers to himself as. So, yes, 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.680 this certainly is not him and at his height by 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.320 any means. And maybe she's just like, I don't know, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:46.960 like I get being like on the fence about his 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.119 music and be like, oh, I really like this song 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:50.840 and he's a bad person, But you can't just be 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.600 like on the fence about like him just out here 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.320 like being a pedophile. And that's not like that's just 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.360 like a shower. And she recognizes that, I think, but 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.240 she just refuses to acknowledge any of the implications of 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.960 right that, if I'm hearing you correctly, it's not so 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.360 much that she's like fully denying the possibility that he's 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.440 a pedophile. She just doesn't like that that makes everyone 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:18.760 around him and his music bad. That like, he could 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.960 be a pedophile, but why we got to stop bumping 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.000 the songs, why we got to stop enjoying the character 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.280 that he's created. She basically says, like he's a pedophile, 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.680 but it's not just him, it's everybody. So it's not 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.680 like he shouldn't be the one that's just in trouble. Sure, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:39.840 And I'm just like, but we gotta start somewhere, Like 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.640 that's a great first step. Holding him to some level 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.360 of accountability would be uh, it would be a joy. 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.440 It would be a great step forward in the way 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.760 that we deal with these problems. Yeah, it's like she 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.199 like blames him and I'm like great, and then she 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:55.800 would like keep going to be like, but we should 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.560 also blame the parents and the girls, And I'm just like, 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.319 you should have stopped like at the first one, like, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.200 let's just like handle one thing. Well, let's let's let's 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.760 backtrack a little bit, because I think that some interesting 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.280 stuff is coming up in this. I'm curious to know 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.760 when she first said it to you, because it might, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.120 at least from what you're saying, she's been saying this 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.520 for a long time. Right when she first said it 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.040 to you, was there any part of you that thought 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.839 maybe she was correct, that like, oh, maybe he didn't 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.800 do it, Maybe he's not the bad guy that the 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.200 world is telling me he is. No, not a single moment, 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.120 it was just like so obvious. Like growing up in 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.360 Chicago going to high school, R Kelly was like the 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.520 candy man like there was just like Lord, like you 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.080 just knew the nigga would be NPC cruise about Ken 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.480 trying to get some girls, Like that was just like 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.040 a thing, and like, yeah, that's a rape man who 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.120 got good music. I didn't like, So there was never 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.280 a doubt of like he didn't do it. I just 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.040 didn't know that. Like people I wasn't listening to his 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.280 music because of it. I just thought that like within 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.560 the circle that I was in with their like life 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.920 and like, yeah, we all know, like he made good music, 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.320 so like these are two facts that just exist. He 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.640 makes good music, and yeah, yeah, I think that makes 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.160 perfect sense. The girl he paid on on tape at 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.640 least went to my high school. And so it was 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.600 one of those things where it was like, yeah, we 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.280 all knew, but we're not unreasonable. We're still gonna step 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.880 in the name of love. Like it's what am I? 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.080 What am I better than the three songs that we 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.360 got for our problem? You know what I mean? That 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.600 like everybody wants to like the world's greatest makes me 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.560 feel good about Yeah, there, you asked me to take 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.320 that away. And also it's just like if the government 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.080 ain't doing like a kind than doing ship. What am 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.640 I gonna do? Right, Yes, And I think that that's 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.959 something that to your your earlier point, we had to 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.960 learn along the way, right, Like I didn't learn that, Like, oh, 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.000 I have some accountability in the way that he progressed 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.880 is or doesn't progress, and I can actually make adult choices, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.200 whereas when I was a kid, I'm like, fucking man, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.280 I don't know. He's a bad dude. He paid on 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.839 that girl, I know, but we'll be all right, We're 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:15.200 gonna keep keep dancing. That was my exactly. I think 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.280 it like my uncle's had that tape just like next 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.960 to like the normal like DVDs, like it would be 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.360 like blade and then like the piss tape. And I'm 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.559 just like that's crazy that, like this is so casual. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:32.720 This is child porn, right. That's also fascinating because as 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.440 a child, I don't think it was ever presented as 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.959 child porn, and it was not our colloquial circles, right, Like, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.679 I'm sure in court they're calling it child pornography. That's 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:49.199 what he got arrested and charged for. But ultimately everybody 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.000 I talked to it was just like a tape with 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.760 a girl getting pete on and that's fucking nuts. Were not. 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.040 It's insane that that was the narrative, just like you know, 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.240 that's this little girl just tycle regular. It blows my 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.720 mind to think back to those times to be like, damn, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:10.959 I didn't question. I remember very vividly having conversations with 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.600 like girls that I knew whose biggest takeaway from the 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.440 R Kelly tape was that he had a big penis 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.000 more than the fact that he was painting on a child. 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.880 That they were like, I don't know R Kelly hanging 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.120 though I let R Kelly was like, whoa, this is 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.400 problematically as fun, but also we're four teams, so who knows. Yeah, 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:36.400 we didn't have like any sense of morals. Clearly, it 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.480 was just like you know happened. I think I I 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.800 just wanted one of those sweet big paenises. I was 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.000 here and about. I didn't know that that that big 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.640 penis came with a cost, you know, And I was 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.560 just like too busy trying to say, like, you know, 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.719 let me pretend to like titties so I don't get 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.640 beat up. I had to worry about some girl getting 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.560 piste on. Unfortunately, But of course now there's foresight. I'm like, 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:07.360 I don't like ditis being girls. Yeah, you gotta learn something. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.120 You learn a lot. What do you think it would 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.960 take to finally turn your mother in the in the 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.440 other direction on this whole r Kelly scenario. Is there 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.520 anything in the world that could happen that would finally 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.200 bring her around to being like, all right, fine, he's 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.000 a bad guy. I think in her heart she knows, 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.280 and I think she's just at a place where if 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.960 she admits that, she's just gonna lose all faith in humanity. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.360 So I think she's like clinging on to this like 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.319 idea of like everything I love can be bad, right, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.280 and just like look, lady, So maybe she needs like 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.800 a legit therapy so that she can find other things 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.440 to cling to. That's not n but yeah, yeah, she 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.360 just needs like the process because when we talk about it, 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.640 whenever she brings it up, I'm like, yeah, you don't 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.760 want to do this because like I'm not the person 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.440 to bring this up to because I'm not nice about 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.320 him or this situation, And it always gets to a 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.960 point where she can't deny it that she's just like 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.600 we gotta stop talking. Just like I don't know why 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.840 you write it up. I don't like talking to you anymore, 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.560 so I'm gonna walk away. Yeah, I get that. I 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.120 do think that that is one of the more complicated 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.120 elements of all of what's happening in society, right with 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.120 like cancel culture, and cancel culture is a weighted term 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.480 at this point that comes with all kinds of weird connotations. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.840 But I do think that at its root, what we're 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:32.520 asking people to do is a super complicated ask inside 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.600 of what should be basic morality. Right the basic thing 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.240 is this person is bad. You shouldn't want them to 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.000 be in your life. But what we're also trying to 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:46.760 get people to do is undo every memory, every connotation, 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:51.320 every connection they have to the past that relates to 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.720 this person. And so maybe some of the the ask, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.520 maybe some of the starting point of this is not 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.920 being like that dude's bad. You gotta like erased his 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.640 music from all of your memory and more be like 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.720 and that dud's bad. So maybe you know, try to 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.480 filter it out. Let's let's wean you off of of kills, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.560 you know what I mean? Yes, Like I was like 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.720 first step, it's just like you can't victim blame and 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.040 then she was like okay, and then I'm like that 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.520 is a step, like you are learning you you still 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.320 are not where I need you to be, but like 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.720 this is a step, but like yeah, because like I 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.160 also have to recognize just like resource wise and like 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.200 I don't you don't think like me, I've done a 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.360 lot more work, just like being like black and gay. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.440 Very early on, I had to like get to a 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.240 point in there, like I cut any of golf at 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.480 any moment, I don't care. And she just like she 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:41.760 did she didn't have to deal with that, Like she 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.600 just wasn't there, and I'm just like, okay, I will 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:49.360 recognize like where you are in your journey mentally and 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:54.760 like emotionally, but also move quicker because into that, Let's 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.400 just start her off, get her to a point where 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.840 she can go, you know what, that that that sparkle, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.160 she a line hole, but that line hole is a victim. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.320 And then if we can just get her to call 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.400 that line hole a victim, then we can start to 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:16.040 introduce conversations around hey, maybe you shouldn't want to hear 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:21.000 that song anymore because this human produce that song off 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:25.240 of the blood and tears of poor children or whatever. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:29.200 The funk it is that he used for inspiration. I 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.920 have to like kin mentor like okay, take the blackness 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.320 away for like two seconds, like look at him. Is 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.400 just like a regular ask, like don't think it, like 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.720 we ain't trying to bring no black man down. This 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.720 is not that Like if we are just talking within 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.760 blackness itself, blackness is now not a factor. Now judge 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.120 this man. Yeah, and there you go, I think. And 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.640 that's a and again that's a hefty ask, right, because 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:59.560 because what we're talking about is generations of men who 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.440 have been, you know, at least through various forms of evidence, 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:07.040 have been falsely accused or connected to things that we 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.919 know are not true. And so now your mom is 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.960 doing math that doesn't belong in this equation, right, She's 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.640 sitting here and looking at R Kelly like Emmett Till 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.360 and that ain't that ain't the same vibe, not at all. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.960 I'll be honest. Em Mat Till's music sucks, but he 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:30.119 was an actual victim who deserves to be defended, whereas R. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.520 Kelly makes jams and it's a fucking monster. He was 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:38.119 on the soundtrack to the Batman movie, and wright, is 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.719 that what you know r Kelly best Ford has been 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:48.080 on the soundtrack to Bid. You could have named any 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.480 song and you're like, he was on the soundtrack to Batman, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.520 you know, the worst Batman that is a hero for 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.679 white people, and he was on the soundtrack for that, 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.280 so he was in the heart of that is very true. 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.720 One of the things that I I sort of found 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.199 as I was like unpacking, and we'll get into the 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.200 research and a bit, but one of the things that 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.240 I immediately found is a lot of people making that 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.560 exact same claim, not about the Batman soundtrack, but just 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.880 generally that like, I don't know, he made a lot 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.400 of songs that like literally frame the way that we 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.959 think about music. It's kind of hard to just be like, hey, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:27.280 fuck him forever and always truly every graduation. Like it 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.840 was just like he made music that was like imbued 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.080 into like the culture of blackness, which is like very 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.320 difficult because you are seven year old childs to being like, 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.600 you don't know, who are here pissing on people on children, 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:47.399 on on literal children. What do you think it's gonna 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:52.439 take for Chicago to fully untether themselves from Mark Kelly. 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.400 Is it possible for the city of Chicago to finally 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.960 like make peace with what he's done. I don't think 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:03.680 it would be into that whole step in generation dies. Okay, 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.600 So you're looking at them like like conservative voters, You're like, 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.400 they just have to die off and then we can. Yeah. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.600 I just I think it's gonna change like he has 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:18.359 maybe because the whole he has on Chicago is like supernatural, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.200 and I just don't think it's gonna go nowhere until 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.040 it's just like dissipate. It's like he has to die. 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.920 All them people gotta die. At one point. R Kelly 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.440 would just be like people we don't know about because 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:34.880 everybody did. Okay, so just anybody, anybody in a flowing 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:39.119 linen suit has to has to die away. Anybody who's 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.159 ever stepped to a song has to die off, and 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.840 then finally will be free of R Kelly and all 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:51.640 of his burdens. If you own Stacy Adams, yea, if 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.679 you've ever shut some sunflower seeds in your hand like 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.720 you're about to roll dice, you gotta die. Otherwise R 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.840 Kelly is always gonna be here yep K and g 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:06.119 is gonna go out of bud. That's what it's gonna 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.280 take and we're gonna take a break and we'll be 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.119 back with more Duwayne Perkins and more. My mama told me, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:30.080 and we are that we're not gonna let Joe Biden 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:36.680 and Kamala Harris cut America's meet. That's that's yeah, We're 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.240 back here with more Dwayne Perkins more. My mama told me. 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:45.280 We're still talking about that sinister acts are Kelly performed 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:49.040 on many many people and the people who still defend him. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:53.080 Is there a possibility in your mind that R. Kelly 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:57.000 is being sort of mistreated in any of this process, 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.960 that like there's any of this that has been ConFlat 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.800 did or brought to a larger scale than what he deserves. 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.280 I don't know when when you think of it like 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.280 macro versus micro, Like, there are some instances where I'm like, sure, 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.600 is this black man not receiving? Like if this was 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.359 a white man, would he be treated differently? There are 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:21.240 moments like yeah, yes, obviously because niggas don't like nigga's 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.639 like that's just like what the system is. But also 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.680 on like a personal level, I'm like, ah, you know 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:31.119 how life works. Yeah, Like I like there is a 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:36.119 sympathy symbolically for a black man, but not for him, like, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.320 but as a symbol I'm like, I get it. Also, 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.440 you cancel that out because you are a pedophile. Like 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.879 I can't like rectify that within myself, but I can't 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.399 like see like speak about it on like in a 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:57.280 greater sense, but like personally not Yeah, no, I think 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.760 that's fair. I think personally it would be a different 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.880 conversation if R. Kelly were able to express any kind 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.520 of remorse or self reflection in any of this that like, 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.080 even and this doesn't excuse any of the choices, but 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.679 even if you were able to go, like, yo, looking 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.720 back on it, maybe I shouldn't have married that fifteen 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.840 year old. That's inappropriate, and it was a different time 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.560 in America, blah blah blah. Like then I could at 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.480 least begin to understand the processing of a person like that. 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:29.359 But as it is right now, it's just a dude 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:33.040 being like, Nope, nope, the video you have ain't real. 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.199 Any documentation you have of me doing stuff that you 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.840 don't agree with, it ain't true. It's like, okay, bro, 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:44.560 you're that's just sociopathic. That's like if you're not living 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.960 in reality. So we can't even like pretend to have 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:49.960 sympathy for you because we don't live in the same place. 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:52.320 So like my sympathy and real because like we are 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.080 in different dimensions, sir, if you can still sit here 0:22:55.119 --> 0:23:03.200 and be like, what that's not my face? Who mel Yeah, 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.960 I know all of them personally, but like, okay, she's 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:10.640 in my basement, but so what no, so what what 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.080 y'all don't all have changed in your basements and little 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.920 glass cupboards where you keep people wait, not people, just 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:21.280 in general people. I don't have the pool table. People 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.960 like pool table the basement. That's why she was done. 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:28.120 There is a pool table with a people's size compartment 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.680