1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's actually true. I think he's 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: just a bad reader, and that's more embarrassing somehow, do 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like if he legitimately can't 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: read the words, it's like, oh, the school system bailed him. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: This is terrible. But if he can only kind of 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: sort of read nig, you don't get it together. Like 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: if you can found that word out and you're like good, 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: like you just had word out, Like you don't want 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: to You want to know how to read Nick. If 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: you can sing him play a piano, you can learn. 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: If you can freestyle a song about dolphins, you can 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: learn to sound out this shell silver Stein. Stop pretending 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: like you're the victim here a killing racist pelt stuff. 14 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Can't tell me yea, yep, there it is. There it is. 15 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another sensational episode of My 16 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Mama Told Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep 17 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: into the world of black conspiracy theories and we finally 18 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: work to prove that Isaiah Washington is a descendant of 19 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: George Washington, mostly in his raging homophobia and deep desire 20 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: to revive slavery. That is their connection, that's their blood. 21 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: That's the thing that their family believes in. It's probably 22 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: on a crest somewhere that Isaiah Washington wears when he 23 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: does commercials now for I think diabetes medication. I think 24 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: that's more or less what his career has been reduced to. 25 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: The man's not doing well. But he's a Trump supporter, 26 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: and you got to respect that, don't we don't we folks, 27 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: don't we have to respect isaia In Washington and his 28 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: political beliefs. I sure beliefs. Though. I'm your Hostlanks and Kerman. 29 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here as always. I have an 30 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: exciting guest for you all. He's hilarious. You guys know 31 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: him from writing on Amber Ruffin Show. You know him 32 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: from writing on Michelle wolf Show. You know him from 33 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: fucking being hilarious on Comedy Centrally so funny. You guys 34 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: are gonna love him. Please give it up for Dwayne Perkins. Hello, clapping, 35 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: a little clapping for you. Love that good. And we're 36 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: all miserable, but those class make you feel a little 37 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: less alone, and that's kind of nice. Alright. I felt 38 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: alive for two seconds. Thanks. Well, let's take that liveness 39 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: right out of your spirit, because you came to me 40 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: with a conspiracy theory. You brought us a conspiracy theory 41 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: that that I would say, is one of our more 42 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: controversial picks. It's one that's gonna cause some stir in 43 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: the audience at home that they're gonna feel something in 44 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: reaction to what you chose. But you said, my mama 45 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: told me Kelly didn't do it. And multiple times, and 46 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: every time, like recently within I would say quarantine, she 47 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: has tried to bring up this conversation, and each time 48 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: I've been like, wait, okay, hold on, hold the phone, 49 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: because what you're saying to me is your mom, in fact, 50 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: did say this to you. This isn't because we just 51 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: frame it. My mama told me. It doesn't have to 52 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: be your mother. My mother literally has to Jesus Christ, 53 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: my goodness. Well, let's start there. Why why did she 54 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: say this? She keeps bringing up the fact that she 55 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: grew up with Sparkle okay, and she didn't like her, 56 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: so she must be a liar, okay, all right? And 57 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's that's not how this works. 58 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: And she was like, well, I know her, And I 59 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: was like, but that's not this is not an indictment. 60 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that her entire instinct is well, 61 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Sparkles a lion hope. So as long as Sparkles involved 62 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: in this, I know my dear friend Robert couldn't have 63 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: done anything. She literally calls him Robert. She does not 64 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: call him, of course, call him Robert since since my childhood. 65 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, do you know this man? And 66 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: she would say she did, but I don't think she did. 67 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: Oh wait, she so she claims that she has in 68 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: fact Matt Robert. Yes, she was like I know Robert 69 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: and I was like how, and she'd be like, you know, 70 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: I know Sparkle not the same. A lot of people 71 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: know Sparkle, and a lot of people don't know r Kelly. 72 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: This is not like a permanent like tether to the 73 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: two of them. Most people don't even know who the 74 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: fun Sparkle is anymore. I think, yeah, I mean, she's 75 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: not like at the front of anybody's mind. I don't 76 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: think unless you're watching that document And she watched the 77 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: documentary and she was like, well, people wanted money, and 78 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: it was just like a lot of her just doubting 79 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: everybody except the man who wow, Okay, so how let's 80 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: start there. How many and we're not starting anymore, we're 81 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: in this ship. But how many episodes into the documentary 82 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: did your mother go? I don't even think she finished 83 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: the first one. I think she was just like, you 84 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: know what, this goes against what I think, and I 85 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: don't have the room to change. Sure, And that makes 86 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: sense because there's no way you may get to episode 87 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: six and then at the end you go, you know, 88 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: I still don't think he did it women, and I 89 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: think he's still pretty innocent. I think as soon as 90 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: she saw Sparkle, she was triggered and she was like, nope, 91 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: that's fair. Do you know how she knows Sparkle. They 92 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: grew up in the same neighbor, Okay, so they were like, 93 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: they went to school together, and she was like, yeah, 94 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: I grew up with with her. And the whole time 95 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: she was a line. How just a line? You know? 96 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: You just can't you just can't trust it, which is wild. 97 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: It's wild. It's wild that your mother is using that 98 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: as justification for our Kelly being innocent. But alternatively, the 99 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: fact that Sparkle is a lying hole does not necessarily 100 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: make him anymore innocent, And that's sort of the point 101 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: like she could in fact be a lying hole. I 102 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: don't know Sparkle personally, but I'll go with your mom 103 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: on that maybe she is a lying home. But that 104 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: doesn't make the man not a pedophile. It just means 105 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: she'd be lying sometimes. That's the point that I made 106 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: to her, And then she, of course would bring out 107 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: deeper things which I would then have to be like, 108 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: oh no, that's crazy, where she basically saying like you know, 109 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: like everybody knew, and I'd be like, yeah, but that's 110 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: that doesn't anything. Yeah, we are sure, but like that 111 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: makes it worse, right, that makes us complicit. That doesn't 112 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: make him innocent of anything. Her thought is like, well, 113 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: if we are new and anybody's saying nothing, then why 114 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: are we trying to take him down now? And I 115 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: was like, you know, time, time because a concept and 116 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: you know we don't control it. You know, trauma to 117 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: even feel exponentially heavy on your spirit after a while. Yeah, 118 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: And like also like R Kelly was not like thriving 119 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: where it's like now you gotta take him down at 120 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: his height. It's like, no, his height was a while ago. Yeah. No. 121 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: R Kelly admittedly has already said he's broke. He said, 122 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, y'all are just trying to take down a 123 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: broke legend, is what he refers to himself as. So, yes, 124 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: this certainly is not him and at his height by 125 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: any means. And maybe she's just like, I don't know, 126 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: like I get being like on the fence about his 127 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,119 Speaker 1: music and be like, oh, I really like this song 128 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: and he's a bad person, But you can't just be 129 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: like on the fence about like him just out here 130 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: like being a pedophile. And that's not like that's just 131 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: like a shower. And she recognizes that, I think, but 132 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: she just refuses to acknowledge any of the implications of 133 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: right that, if I'm hearing you correctly, it's not so 134 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: much that she's like fully denying the possibility that he's 135 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: a pedophile. She just doesn't like that that makes everyone 136 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: around him and his music bad. That like, he could 137 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: be a pedophile, but why we got to stop bumping 138 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: the songs, why we got to stop enjoying the character 139 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: that he's created. She basically says, like he's a pedophile, 140 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: but it's not just him, it's everybody. So it's not 141 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: like he shouldn't be the one that's just in trouble. Sure, 142 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, but we gotta start somewhere, Like 143 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: that's a great first step. Holding him to some level 144 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: of accountability would be uh, it would be a joy. 145 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: It would be a great step forward in the way 146 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: that we deal with these problems. Yeah, it's like she 147 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: like blames him and I'm like great, and then she 148 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: would like keep going to be like, but we should 149 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: also blame the parents and the girls, And I'm just like, 150 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: you should have stopped like at the first one, like, 151 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: let's just like handle one thing. Well, let's let's let's 152 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit, because I think that some interesting 153 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: stuff is coming up in this. I'm curious to know 154 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: when she first said it to you, because it might, 155 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: at least from what you're saying, she's been saying this 156 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: for a long time. Right when she first said it 157 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: to you, was there any part of you that thought 158 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: maybe she was correct, that like, oh, maybe he didn't 159 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: do it, Maybe he's not the bad guy that the 160 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: world is telling me he is. No, not a single moment, 161 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: it was just like so obvious. Like growing up in 162 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: Chicago going to high school, R Kelly was like the 163 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: candy man like there was just like Lord, like you 164 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: just knew the nigga would be NPC cruise about Ken 165 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: trying to get some girls, Like that was just like 166 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: a thing, and like, yeah, that's a rape man who 167 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: got good music. I didn't like, So there was never 168 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: a doubt of like he didn't do it. I just 169 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: didn't know that. Like people I wasn't listening to his 170 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: music because of it. I just thought that like within 171 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: the circle that I was in with their like life 172 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: and like, yeah, we all know, like he made good music, 173 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: so like these are two facts that just exist. He 174 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: makes good music, and yeah, yeah, I think that makes 175 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: perfect sense. The girl he paid on on tape at 176 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: least went to my high school. And so it was 177 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: one of those things where it was like, yeah, we 178 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: all knew, but we're not unreasonable. We're still gonna step 179 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: in the name of love. Like it's what am I? 180 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: What am I better than the three songs that we 181 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: got for our problem? You know what I mean? That 182 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: like everybody wants to like the world's greatest makes me 183 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: feel good about Yeah, there, you asked me to take 184 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: that away. And also it's just like if the government 185 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: ain't doing like a kind than doing ship. What am 186 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: I gonna do? Right, Yes, And I think that that's 187 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: something that to your your earlier point, we had to 188 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: learn along the way, right, Like I didn't learn that, Like, oh, 189 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: I have some accountability in the way that he progressed 190 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: is or doesn't progress, and I can actually make adult choices, 191 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: whereas when I was a kid, I'm like, fucking man, 192 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's a bad dude. He paid on 193 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: that girl, I know, but we'll be all right, We're 194 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: gonna keep keep dancing. That was my exactly. I think 195 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: it like my uncle's had that tape just like next 196 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: to like the normal like DVDs, like it would be 197 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: like blade and then like the piss tape. And I'm 198 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: just like that's crazy that, like this is so casual. 199 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: This is child porn, right. That's also fascinating because as 200 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: a child, I don't think it was ever presented as 201 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: child porn, and it was not our colloquial circles, right, Like, 202 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: I'm sure in court they're calling it child pornography. That's 203 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: what he got arrested and charged for. But ultimately everybody 204 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: I talked to it was just like a tape with 205 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: a girl getting pete on and that's fucking nuts. Were not. 206 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: It's insane that that was the narrative, just like you know, 207 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: that's this little girl just tycle regular. It blows my 208 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: mind to think back to those times to be like, damn, 209 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: I didn't question. I remember very vividly having conversations with 210 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: like girls that I knew whose biggest takeaway from the 211 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: R Kelly tape was that he had a big penis 212 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: more than the fact that he was painting on a child. 213 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: That they were like, I don't know R Kelly hanging 214 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: though I let R Kelly was like, whoa, this is 215 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: problematically as fun, but also we're four teams, so who knows. Yeah, 216 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: we didn't have like any sense of morals. Clearly, it 217 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: was just like you know happened. I think I I 218 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: just wanted one of those sweet big paenises. I was 219 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: here and about. I didn't know that that that big 220 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: penis came with a cost, you know, And I was 221 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: just like too busy trying to say, like, you know, 222 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: let me pretend to like titties so I don't get 223 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: beat up. I had to worry about some girl getting 224 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: piste on. Unfortunately, But of course now there's foresight. I'm like, 225 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't like ditis being girls. Yeah, you gotta learn something. 226 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: You learn a lot. What do you think it would 227 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: take to finally turn your mother in the in the 228 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: other direction on this whole r Kelly scenario. Is there 229 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: anything in the world that could happen that would finally 230 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: bring her around to being like, all right, fine, he's 231 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: a bad guy. I think in her heart she knows, 232 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: and I think she's just at a place where if 233 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: she admits that, she's just gonna lose all faith in humanity. 234 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: So I think she's like clinging on to this like 235 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: idea of like everything I love can be bad, right, 236 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: and just like look, lady, So maybe she needs like 237 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: a legit therapy so that she can find other things 238 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: to cling to. That's not n but yeah, yeah, she 239 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: just needs like the process because when we talk about it, 240 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: whenever she brings it up, I'm like, yeah, you don't 241 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: want to do this because like I'm not the person 242 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: to bring this up to because I'm not nice about 243 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: him or this situation, And it always gets to a 244 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: point where she can't deny it that she's just like 245 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: we gotta stop talking. Just like I don't know why 246 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: you write it up. I don't like talking to you anymore, 247 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna walk away. Yeah, I get that. I 248 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: do think that that is one of the more complicated 249 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: elements of all of what's happening in society, right with 250 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: like cancel culture, and cancel culture is a weighted term 251 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: at this point that comes with all kinds of weird connotations. 252 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: But I do think that at its root, what we're 253 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: asking people to do is a super complicated ask inside 254 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: of what should be basic morality. Right the basic thing 255 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: is this person is bad. You shouldn't want them to 256 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: be in your life. But what we're also trying to 257 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: get people to do is undo every memory, every connotation, 258 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: every connection they have to the past that relates to 259 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: this person. And so maybe some of the the ask, 260 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: maybe some of the starting point of this is not 261 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: being like that dude's bad. You gotta like erased his 262 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: music from all of your memory and more be like 263 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: and that dud's bad. So maybe you know, try to 264 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: filter it out. Let's let's wean you off of of kills, 265 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, Like I was like 266 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: first step, it's just like you can't victim blame and 267 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: then she was like okay, and then I'm like that 268 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: is a step, like you are learning you you still 269 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: are not where I need you to be, but like 270 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: this is a step, but like yeah, because like I 271 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: also have to recognize just like resource wise and like 272 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't you don't think like me, I've done a 273 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: lot more work, just like being like black and gay. 274 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Very early on, I had to like get to a 275 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: point in there, like I cut any of golf at 276 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: any moment, I don't care. And she just like she 277 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: did she didn't have to deal with that, Like she 278 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: just wasn't there, and I'm just like, okay, I will 279 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: recognize like where you are in your journey mentally and 280 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: like emotionally, but also move quicker because into that, Let's 281 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: just start her off, get her to a point where 282 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: she can go, you know what, that that that sparkle, 283 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: she a line hole, but that line hole is a victim. 284 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: And then if we can just get her to call 285 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: that line hole a victim, then we can start to 286 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: introduce conversations around hey, maybe you shouldn't want to hear 287 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: that song anymore because this human produce that song off 288 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: of the blood and tears of poor children or whatever. 289 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: The funk it is that he used for inspiration. I 290 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: have to like kin mentor like okay, take the blackness 291 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: away for like two seconds, like look at him. Is 292 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: just like a regular ask, like don't think it, like 293 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: we ain't trying to bring no black man down. This 294 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: is not that Like if we are just talking within 295 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: blackness itself, blackness is now not a factor. Now judge 296 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: this man. Yeah, and there you go, I think. And 297 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: that's a and again that's a hefty ask, right, because 298 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: because what we're talking about is generations of men who 299 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: have been, you know, at least through various forms of evidence, 300 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: have been falsely accused or connected to things that we 301 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: know are not true. And so now your mom is 302 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: doing math that doesn't belong in this equation, right, She's 303 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: sitting here and looking at R Kelly like Emmett Till 304 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: and that ain't that ain't the same vibe, not at all. 305 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. Em Mat Till's music sucks, but he 306 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: was an actual victim who deserves to be defended, whereas R. 307 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Kelly makes jams and it's a fucking monster. He was 308 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: on the soundtrack to the Batman movie, and wright, is 309 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: that what you know r Kelly best Ford has been 310 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: on the soundtrack to Bid. You could have named any 311 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: song and you're like, he was on the soundtrack to Batman, 312 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, the worst Batman that is a hero for 313 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: white people, and he was on the soundtrack for that, 314 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: so he was in the heart of that is very true. 315 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: One of the things that I I sort of found 316 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: as I was like unpacking, and we'll get into the 317 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: research and a bit, but one of the things that 318 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: I immediately found is a lot of people making that 319 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: exact same claim, not about the Batman soundtrack, but just 320 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: generally that like, I don't know, he made a lot 321 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: of songs that like literally frame the way that we 322 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 1: think about music. It's kind of hard to just be like, hey, 323 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: fuck him forever and always truly every graduation. Like it 324 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: was just like he made music that was like imbued 325 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: into like the culture of blackness, which is like very 326 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: difficult because you are seven year old childs to being like, 327 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: you don't know, who are here pissing on people on children, 328 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: on on literal children. What do you think it's gonna 329 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: take for Chicago to fully untether themselves from Mark Kelly. 330 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: Is it possible for the city of Chicago to finally 331 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: like make peace with what he's done. I don't think 332 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: it would be into that whole step in generation dies. Okay, 333 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: So you're looking at them like like conservative voters, You're like, 334 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: they just have to die off and then we can. Yeah. 335 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: I just I think it's gonna change like he has 336 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: maybe because the whole he has on Chicago is like supernatural, 337 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: and I just don't think it's gonna go nowhere until 338 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: it's just like dissipate. It's like he has to die. 339 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: All them people gotta die. At one point. R Kelly 340 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: would just be like people we don't know about because 341 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: everybody did. Okay, so just anybody, anybody in a flowing 342 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: linen suit has to has to die away. Anybody who's 343 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: ever stepped to a song has to die off, and 344 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: then finally will be free of R Kelly and all 345 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: of his burdens. If you own Stacy Adams, yea, if 346 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: you've ever shut some sunflower seeds in your hand like 347 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: you're about to roll dice, you gotta die. Otherwise R 348 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: Kelly is always gonna be here yep K and g 349 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: is gonna go out of bud. That's what it's gonna 350 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: take and we're gonna take a break and we'll be 351 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: back with more Duwayne Perkins and more. My mama told me, 352 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: and we are that we're not gonna let Joe Biden 353 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris cut America's meet. That's that's yeah, We're 354 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: back here with more Dwayne Perkins more. My mama told me. 355 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: We're still talking about that sinister acts are Kelly performed 356 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: on many many people and the people who still defend him. 357 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: Is there a possibility in your mind that R. Kelly 358 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: is being sort of mistreated in any of this process, 359 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: that like there's any of this that has been ConFlat 360 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: did or brought to a larger scale than what he deserves. 361 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: I don't know when when you think of it like 362 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: macro versus micro, Like, there are some instances where I'm like, sure, 363 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: is this black man not receiving? Like if this was 364 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: a white man, would he be treated differently? There are 365 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: moments like yeah, yes, obviously because niggas don't like nigga's 366 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: like that's just like what the system is. But also 367 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: on like a personal level, I'm like, ah, you know 368 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: how life works. Yeah, Like I like there is a 369 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: sympathy symbolically for a black man, but not for him, like, 370 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: but as a symbol I'm like, I get it. Also, 371 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: you cancel that out because you are a pedophile. Like 372 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: I can't like rectify that within myself, but I can't 373 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: like see like speak about it on like in a 374 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: greater sense, but like personally not Yeah, no, I think 375 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: that's fair. I think personally it would be a different 376 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: conversation if R. Kelly were able to express any kind 377 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: of remorse or self reflection in any of this that like, 378 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: even and this doesn't excuse any of the choices, but 379 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: even if you were able to go, like, yo, looking 380 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: back on it, maybe I shouldn't have married that fifteen 381 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: year old. That's inappropriate, and it was a different time 382 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: in America, blah blah blah. Like then I could at 383 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: least begin to understand the processing of a person like that. 384 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: But as it is right now, it's just a dude 385 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: being like, Nope, nope, the video you have ain't real. 386 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: Any documentation you have of me doing stuff that you 387 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: don't agree with, it ain't true. It's like, okay, bro, 388 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: you're that's just sociopathic. That's like if you're not living 389 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: in reality. So we can't even like pretend to have 390 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: sympathy for you because we don't live in the same place. 391 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: So like my sympathy and real because like we are 392 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: in different dimensions, sir, if you can still sit here 393 00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: and be like, what that's not my face? Who mel Yeah, 394 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: I know all of them personally, but like, okay, she's 395 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: in my basement, but so what no, so what what 396 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: y'all don't all have changed in your basements and little 397 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: glass cupboards where you keep people wait, not people, just 398 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: in general people. I don't have the pool table. People 399 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: like pool table the basement. That's why she was done. 400 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: There is a pool table with a people's size compartment 401 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: in it. I don't understand what the problem is. Okay, 402 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: let's get into some of this research, because in researching 403 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: the you know, R. Kelly didn't do it of it all. 404 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: I think one of the ways that I could have 405 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: gone about this is to do what we already know 406 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: and go down the list of the facts that sort 407 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: of proved that he absolutely is a rapist, is a pedophile, 408 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: is a bunch of other creepy heavy words. What I 409 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: thought was a little more interesting is to dig into 410 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: some of the research of people who are still defending r. Kelly. 411 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: So there are people like his sisters who even as 412 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: of last year, came forward and said that they still 413 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: believe that he's completely innocent and they're hoping that justice 414 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: has served. There are fans and former co workers, if 415 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: you will, or people on his record label who have 416 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: come forward. There's even this girl, Dana Jackson, who has 417 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: been seen multiple times outside of Robert Kelly's court cases 418 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: holding up a sign that reads hashtag him too, which 419 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: I love. I love that so much that that is 420 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: layered that is I'm just like, where did her thought 421 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: start and how did it get where it landed? Well, 422 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: let's begin. I think where it started was hashtag me too. 423 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: And he was like, okay, but that's about women, and 424 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, and that's primarily about obviously it implies 425 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: that other people could be a part of it, but no, 426 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: the movement was started by women about the injustices being 427 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: brought on to women. But Robert is also being treated unjustly, 428 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: and he's more important than women, and so he needs 429 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: his own hashtag separate from these women, but also incorporates 430 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: the tone and the language of this other hashtag. So 431 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: hashtag him too. Mm. So not only is she protesting, 432 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: she's like, I'm gonna take what y'all was protesting and 433 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: shipped on that as I'm doing my protests just to 434 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: make that way stronger. Because him too. I think you 435 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, I think you get it. And I 436 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: think if you want to get it tattooed on yourself, 437 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: I you know you won't get any judgment on this 438 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: side of the table. I don't think about it. I 439 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: am thinking about doing something for it the holidays that 440 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: maybe on the table, bring that, you know what, Bring 441 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: that home to the family and see how that's got 442 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: to help heal you and your mother's relationship a little bit. 443 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: She's gonna want to talk to you that way. That 444 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: would definitely help us for sure. Maybe I'll get it 445 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: with her, maybe we'll both get Maybe that would be 446 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: her has that I love that matching hashtag him to 447 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: tattoos is uh maybe the best idea of this podcast 448 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: has ever produced, and I think you should definitely do it. Okay, So, 449 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: in searching for real evidence, not just sort of like 450 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: these opinion based things about r Kelly being innocent, one 451 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: of the things that I landed on was this article 452 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: called r. Kelly and the politics of truth, and so 453 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: it really is less about proving that R. Kelly is innocent, 454 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: because I don't think at this point anybody in fact 455 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: can't do that. But it gets really heavy into like 456 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: philosophical shit about what it means to label someone good 457 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: or bad, or right or wrong, if that makes sense. 458 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: So it basically unpacks a lot of ship that this 459 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: French philosopher, this dude Michael Falcott, gets into. But he 460 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: basically argues something called the regimes of truth theory, and 461 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: this regimes of truth theory argues that political relations surrounding truth, 462 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: meaning the ways in which facts can be altered by 463 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: publicly established rules or norms, subsequently make socially accepted truth 464 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: less truthful. Does that make sense? Yes, I'll try to 465 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: put it in less weirdy wordy wordy words. What he's 466 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: saying is I think that, like what we understand to 467 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: be true, the sun is hot, right, Like that is 468 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: a standard truth out in the world. The sun is 469 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: in fact hot, But the reason we would call this 470 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: hot is not always the same that if we ask 471 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: a person from like ancient Egypt, why it's hot, they 472 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: would say that the sun god ra made it hot, right, 473 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: Like that's his way of like expressing his power and 474 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: love for the earth. Whereas if we were to ask 475 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: a physicist today, they would bring up a bunch of 476 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: stuff about like helium and hydrogen atoms and the explosions 477 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: and mixing and blah blah blah. So all they are 478 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: both true to the individuals. Politics and circumstances and history 479 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: change the way that we understand those truths is dictated 480 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: by point of view exactly that's exactly right. And and 481 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: even more so just point of view. It's history and 482 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: culture mixing into that point of view that makes it 483 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: so complicated. So now that brings us into understanding what 484 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: are kelly situation is. And one of the things that 485 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: they argue in this article is that R. Kelly exists 486 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: in a time where some of the things that he's 487 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: understanding to be true or right or wrong, or even 488 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: the world is socially accepting as norms, are in fact 489 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: normal for that period. Right. Yes, I feel like you're 490 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: not bought into this, and you won't say it. You're 491 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: trying to be polite and like bite your tongue through it, 492 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: and it's making me uncomfortable. And I won't sit through it. 493 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: I refuse. I'm just trying, like I thought about, like 494 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: this way of thinking is just like how I think normally, 495 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: But the way that they're trying to use it for 496 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: our Kelly is like a disconnect for me because like 497 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: in my head and like I don't understand what truth 498 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: he could have that could be so skewed by time, culture, 499 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: context that he was still today still have that point 500 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: of view. Sure, well, I think what we could argue 501 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: is that if in fact, we allowed him to go 502 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: on television and sit next to a fifteen year old 503 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: girl wearing matching Mickey Mouse ears and outfits, right, that 504 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: there's a level of acceptance that the world offered him. 505 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: That if you are a person so detached from reality 506 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: that you don't begin to recognize that like, oh, that 507 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: acceptance was mostly out of ignorance and sort of like 508 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: bad decision making more than it is out of like 509 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: a real healthy perspective, then you can continue to behave 510 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: that way despite the fact that the world feels differently. Sure, 511 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: but like, what are we supposed to do about that 512 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: as far as fixing it, as far as it's like 513 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: his way of thinking, If like if we're judging his 514 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: actions by this idea of like, oh, well, he was 515 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: made to think that, like this thing was okay because 516 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: of the circumstances that he was in. Like sure, but 517 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: like what then, but like what now? Are we just 518 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: supposed to be like all right, that's cool. Well, well, 519 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: I'll say two things that. Number one, I think that 520 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: that part of what philosophy does is just make stuff 521 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: thinking and not make stuff solution based. It's like, well, 522 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: how did we think about the things that we thought 523 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: and why did we think those things? It doesn't actually 524 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: go like and this is how you fix it? You 525 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And then number two, I'll say 526 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: that I don't know that their argument is to say 527 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: that R. Kelly in any way is not a monster 528 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: in this, but more to say that like the world, 529 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: being slightly complicit in his behavior and choices ultimately leads 530 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: us down the path where R. Kelly gets away with 531 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: it for much longer than he should have. Yes, I 532 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what my mother was saying, but 533 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: in like a more good way of just being like, 534 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: but look at everything goes I mean being like, yes, 535 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: I've thought about this, and like, even with that context, 536 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: this is a conversation that should be bigger, but it 537 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: doesn't make this conversation that we're having smaller. There, we 538 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: can expand this conversation to include those ways of thinking, 539 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: but those ways of thinking doesn't take away from anything 540 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: that has been discussed thus far about him and his actions. Sure, 541 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: and I think to that point, we could go down. 542 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: We can go down uh historical train right where we say, like, well, 543 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: back in you know, Socrates day, they used to have 544 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: sex with little boys, and that was a way of 545 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: in their mind, passing on wisdom. It was the physical 546 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: act of sharing wisdom with another person, was to have 547 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: sex with someone younger than you, specifically a young man, 548 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: as a way of empowering them and making them better 549 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: for the world. Right, And maybe R. Kelly somehow is 550 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: justified because these older generations did this thing. But to 551 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: your point, the context that we live in right now 552 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: doesn't offer any of those compromises. Whether we introduce the 553 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: Socrates conversation or not. Are Kelly was still going to 554 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: high schools to pick up little girls? That ain't said 555 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: Socrates ain't say shit about that. Yeah, Like that's like 556 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: if the context that we exist in, it is not 557 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: the context that the argument exists, and then we can't 558 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: just like say that they're the same because we're like, no, 559 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: that's not what he's doing. Make sure this is a 560 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: bigger conversation that's philosophical and nature. But that's exactly what 561 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: it is, is critical thing, thing about ideas, but we're 562 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: not talking about ideas. We're talking about this go up 563 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: to physical places to pick up children. So like, I 564 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: think that's right. We can like both of those conversations 565 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: can exist, they just don't exist in the same lane 566 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: because they're not in the same lane, right that. Yes, 567 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: but one of those lanes has a little girl in it. Yeah, 568 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: one of those lanes got a little girl in and 569 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: it's got a real nice Cadillac Escalade pulling up right 570 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: next to the little girl and saying, get in, a 571 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: little girl, I'm taking you to the studio. Boy, I 572 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: don't know. I thought it was a pretty good riff, 573 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna bite back on that. Uh, here's 574 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: something else that I thought was interesting and sort of 575 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: and this goes back to your mother's argument about the 576 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 1: possibility that he could have been wrongfully convicted or wrongfully 577 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: even accused. Is that nine thousand seven hundred and fifty 578 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: people are wrongfully convicted every every year in the United States, 579 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: nine thousand, seven hundred and fifty people are wrongfully convicted 580 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: every year. And then on top of that, only one 581 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine people are exonerated were exonerated rather 582 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: in that's basically less than two per cent of the 583 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: people that are going to prison for a crime they 584 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: didn't commit being released and made, you know, getting their 585 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: names cleared afterwards. I mean, those statistics are terrible. Yeah, 586 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: they're heartbreaking statistics. Yeah, yeah. And I do think that's 587 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 1: also a conversation that like, I think that most people 588 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: aren't equipped to think about things in such a large 589 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: way that they encompass many people's feelings at the same time. 590 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: M hm, Because I think that there is a way 591 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: to listen to a woman when they accused a person 592 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: of a thing, and then also be cognizant of like, oh, 593 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: there is another person attached to this accusation. We also 594 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: have to be aware of this person's feelings as well, 595 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: while still recognizing that like the person that's accusing the 596 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: person of this is also going through something. And I 597 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: just don't think we as people are just like smart 598 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: enough to deal with that. So it's just like, yeah, 599 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think even to that point, 600 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: we've created a weird language around sexual abuse where it's 601 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: almost heroes and monsters and not human beings doing human 602 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: ship to each other. Right, And so at the end 603 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: of the day, to your point, if someone is accused, 604 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: be it wrongfully or rightfully accused of something, we're talking 605 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: about a human being's experience on both sides of this thing, 606 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: and we should be able to analyze it as it 607 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: in that way, instead of going, oh, this victim who 608 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: is now like the you know, coming forward, what a 609 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: hero versus this monster who did a horrible thing to them? 610 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: And we don't want to hear any words from the monster. 611 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: We can't possibly hear the monster's perspective. And there should 612 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: be a balance of both of those things. We should 613 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: be able to listen to a human cry out about 614 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: very honest human things, and then we should simultaneously be 615 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: able to hear, whether right or wrong, their defense of 616 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: what they think this thing is, and then come to 617 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: a conclusion from that that truth. Yes, And I think 618 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: that's why it's so difficult, because I think we'd have 619 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: to similar to have I feel about everything in this country, 620 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: Like you'd have to like start from the bottom to 621 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: create like a new sense of speaking about these things, 622 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: because even being accused, it's so loaded down that like 623 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: the language on which you'd have to speak about it 624 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: to get your side out without blaming the victim or like, 625 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: there's just like not a language to really encompass both 626 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: of these people within this situation. And so I just think, 627 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: like from job, it's just like soiled, it's just like 628 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: a system. Yeah, And I think it's it goes even 629 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: beyond the system, right, is that? Like when we think 630 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: about the r Kelly victims involved in this, so many 631 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: of the defenses, and you brought up some of them 632 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,439 Speaker 1: are like for even these young girls, fourteen fifteen year 633 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: old girls were like she's fast, you know what I mean. 634 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: She she's a loose girl, even though she's a child. 635 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: She's in it for the money. Her parents should have 636 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: been watching her. They got something out of it, to 637 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: be at fame or attention. There's so many different ways 638 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: we can change the scope of this argument away from 639 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: the actual issue, which is that forty year old man 640 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: should not insert himself in that child period. It's just 641 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: and that's what it feels like. Just like there's like 642 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: facts to be like if we just recognize like logic 643 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: and how like the human experience work. There's no world 644 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: in which we can put onus on this child when 645 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: there's a forty year old man involved, Like there's just 646 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: like not a situation where he should not have had 647 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: more foresight than his child. So there's just like no 648 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: world where I can ever like blame a child, because 649 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm just like, these are situations like as a child, 650 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: and we've all been children. That's how you become a 651 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: grown up. You understand power, like society works with power 652 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: and dynamics. Also, I understand that you're probably dumb as 653 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: a child. You don't have foresight because you're a child, 654 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: so you're making decisions based on the decade and some 655 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: years you've been alive, whereas this forty year old man 656 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: as forty years under his belt. So there's just no 657 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: world where we're comparing the knowledge or the experience of 658 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: these two parties. And to even consider that child to 659 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: be equal to that grown up, we're already starting from 660 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: like a place of bad faith, because like that's not 661 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: that's just not gonna work. I think you make a 662 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: good point, but consider this, what if that forty year 663 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: old can't read? What if he doesn't know what the 664 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: word foresight means? Now are getting into rocky territory. I 665 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: guess we could agree R Kelly's innocent. I mean, if 666 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: you can't read, I really do think that cancels out 667 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: everything you've ever done. Sure, I mean he have a 668 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: lot of people in the circles they can't read. But 669 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: this brings me to what I would say, is is 670 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: maybe the final sort of conclusion I came to in 671 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: the possibility or the at least exploration of R. Kelly's innocence. 672 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: One of the things that I sort of landed on 673 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: and studying all of this stuff was a theory that 674 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: I'm coining, the p falls in the woods theory, right, 675 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: And so many people who continue to work with R. 676 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: Kelly basically claim that they maintain his innocence, not because 677 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: they actually believe that he's innocence, but most of them 678 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: just go, well, I didn't see the tape, so I 679 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: can't prove it one way or the other. Like I 680 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: can't call him guilty if I didn't see the actual 681 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: crime that otherwise would make him guilty. There or I'm 682 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: gonna keep getting this money. I mean, I didn't see 683 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: the Titanic, but I'm still like that ship happened. That's 684 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: that terrible defense, like Nick's die and you don't be 685 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: like I had to be there, just know that was shot, 686 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: Like do you also think that that didn't happen? Like 687 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense. And if anybody would say 688 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: that to be like, I think you can't read either. 689 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,919 Speaker 1: I think you're downe right that it's it. It has 690 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: a not only is it tone deaf in in its response, 691 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: it also it has a level of like idiocy to it, 692 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: where it's like, all right, man, so you just have 693 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: to see all the stuff for you to believe that 694 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: the stuff happened. You just just say you wanted more 695 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 1: money and this dude makes great music and you're happy 696 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: to be connected to his business. It's like you're saying 697 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 1: out loud that you're thinking capacity is that of a 698 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: dog and a baby, like you like that's crazy, Like no, 699 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: right now, here's a conclusion that came out of the 700 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: article that I do think is worth exploring for a second. 701 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: One of the things that they sort of introduced and 702 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: I don't even know if this is their intention, But 703 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm not a researcher or a scientist, so I'm gonna 704 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: make it something more complicated than I think they were 705 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: leading to. But one of the things they ask is 706 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: how much of our current truth is going to remain 707 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: true for the remainder of human existence? Right much in 708 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: the way that you know, Socrates teaching us to have 709 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: sex with little boys is no longer a truth that 710 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 1: we accept. How much of the things that we're currently 711 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: accepting as a truth are going to remain exactly that 712 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: all the way down the line? Do you know what 713 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean? And so the big question that left me 714 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: with is in a thousand years or a hundred years, 715 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: assuming we make it that long, we won't. But a 716 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 1: thousand years from now, will we still see R. Kelly 717 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,799 Speaker 1: as a monster or is he going to be then 718 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: like sort of like viewed as something other than a 719 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: monster because of the chan ages and culture and history 720 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: that make his crimes less criminal. Sure, I also think 721 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: we just like probably not gonna be talking about R. 722 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: Kelly in a thousand years, um, like he was impacted, 723 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,959 Speaker 1: but like not a thousand years like we barely talked 724 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: about Like I don't I mean like Socrates, Like it's R. 725 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,959 Speaker 1: Kelly the Socrates at our time. I don't know made 726 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: he is to some people, um drop in the closets. 727 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: So I don't know, um, but sure, I think there's 728 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: a world we look at people like what's that that 729 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: man who killed everybody Kniskan, Like he just murdered everybody, 730 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: and we still just he's still just in the consciousness 731 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: nickuld still be bringing him up. Um sure anything may 732 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: just murder everybody. He raped everybody in there, everybody, and 733 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: and part of that is now. And the reason we 734 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,439 Speaker 1: know that he raped everybody is because I think it's 735 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: some crazy number where it's like eight percent of the 736 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: entire world's population descends from Genghis Khan. That like he 737 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: was so good at raping that he literally created our genealogy, 738 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,280 Speaker 1: our entire like family history, and we're all connected somehow 739 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: to this dude. And so to your point, I think 740 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to know the way that we're going 741 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,959 Speaker 1: to view people. Maybe our Kelly won't matter, Maybe he's 742 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: going to completely become like absent in the minds of 743 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: the people of the future. But if he does matter, 744 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: we hope that he's at least remembered as you know, 745 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: a rapist and not a good thinker Socrates if you will, 746 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: rais who was on the Batman's object. There it is. 747 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna take another break and we'll be back with 748 00:43:47,000 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: more Dwayne Perkins and more. My mama told me and 749 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: we a that you ever feel, you know, not so fresh? Yeah, 750 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: we're back there with more Dwayne Ferkins more. And my 751 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 1: mama told me. We're still hoping that R. Kelly isn't 752 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: the Socrates of our time, but there's no way to know. 753 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: We'll just have to check back in a thousand years 754 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: from now when the Earth is almost certainly melted and 755 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: or covered in giant hunks of ice. Who knows? You 756 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: got a plan? You think you do? You have any 757 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: idea what the Earth is gonna look like a thousand 758 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: years from now? Um, I think it's gonna be like 759 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of pollution. And then we as humans are 760 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: going to evolve very few of us stuff, and we 761 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: just we're gonna be able to like breathe, and I 762 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: think the life expectancies can probably be like thirty two 763 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: or something. Do you think we're going back to like 764 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: Jesus time where it's like, yeah, we are going back 765 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: because we're not living longer. Well Jesus, now they like 766 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: layered for a very long time, like Adam was like 767 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,320 Speaker 1: a million years older. Wait no, in the Old Testament, 768 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: they lived a long time and lived like six weeks. 769 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: They were they were like house flides. I think is 770 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: is how that changed. Yeah, yes, then we're going back 771 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: to that. Okay, yeah, because Abraham was liked and nineties 772 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,399 Speaker 1: six and they were all them kids and they kept 773 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: being like, Abraham, are you gonna die? He's like, I 774 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: mean at some point, but I still got stories to 775 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: make up. When God, Okay, I want to play a game. 776 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,479 Speaker 1: We have a fun game that a brand new game 777 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: that I'm calling Trapped in the Time Capsule, like teenage girls, 778 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: when you say teenage how are we talking? Okay, trapped 779 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: in the Time Capsule. It's a fun game that we're 780 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: gonna play in which I've pulled up a few reviews, 781 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: a couple of reviews of Trapped in the Closet that 782 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: were written at the time that R. Kelly produced this 783 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: quote unquote masterpiece. And what I would love for you 784 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: to do. I'm gonna read the reviews and I just 785 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,959 Speaker 1: would love for you to give your general thoughts on them. 786 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 1: How are you feeling about this review? Do you feel 787 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: like it is a good capturing of what people were 788 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: feeling or should be feeling about what R Kelly is doing? Cool? Yes, 789 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: hell yeah? Okay, I'll start with this one. Ten out 790 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: of ten this person, Carrot Park wrote, appear musical masterpiece. 791 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,920 Speaker 1: R Kelly is a horrible person, but this is amazing. 792 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: I was shocked in this unintentional comedy gold. Everything from 793 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: the beat to the extreme plot points just amazing. Recommend 794 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: to anyone with thirty minutes to spare. But after chapter 795 00:46:51,600 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: twelve sucks your thoughts, so you're agree it's it's genius, 796 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: but also yes, yeah, and then after twelve I was like, 797 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,320 Speaker 1: this too much, I have to say, and this is 798 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: very bad that that I'm thinking back on it. And 799 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, I did like a live singing 800 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,239 Speaker 1: I trapped in the closet at Second City. Was like 801 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: a bunch of people and it was like a whole thing, 802 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: and it was so fun now in hindsight, and like 803 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: that was very recent. What the funk were we doing? 804 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: But it did provide like comedy and like drama. It 805 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,879 Speaker 1: was very fun to do, and I think we just 806 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: ignored the fact that it was from him, which is bad. Yeah, 807 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,760 Speaker 1: I similarly, uh much in the way that we find 808 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: ways to sort of have fun with the r kelly 809 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,879 Speaker 1: of it all. I used to do a joke where 810 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 1: I talked about the girl who went to my high 811 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: school getting paid on and how I was, you know, 812 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 1: you find ways of existing in this trauma whatever. And 813 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: I then later sort of reflected on that, and it felt, 814 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: uh this tasteful, not not in that I don't think 815 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,319 Speaker 1: we should be able to laugh at that stuff. I 816 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: actually think that we should a hundred percents should and 817 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 1: I hope that we find ways to find comedy in it. 818 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,919 Speaker 1: But I do think that some of the comedy needs 819 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: to be coming from the person experiencing it directly, and 820 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,360 Speaker 1: not just a nigga who borrowed a pencil from a 821 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,720 Speaker 1: girl and being like that's funny, I'm a crag jokes 822 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: about that, uh huh, Like like the intention matters, and 823 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: be like why am I saying this? Like is it funny? Like? Sure, 824 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,359 Speaker 1: but like who is this more like? And to that 825 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,919 Speaker 1: I think I I also began to take a little 826 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,919 Speaker 1: bit of issue and doing that in front of white audiences, 827 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: where it started to feel like, all right, there's a 828 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 1: lot of victims in this joke, and y'all just they're 829 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: all black, and y'all just laughing at them in a 830 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: way that I don't love. So maybe that's not going 831 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: to be the joke for me for a while. And 832 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: I would say, what, like one thing for me personally 833 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: from trapped in the closet, I was thirsty for any 834 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,480 Speaker 1: gay contact in the moment like chucking them came and 835 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's surprisingly yeah, and and much in the 836 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: way these reviews are describing, there's a lot of twists 837 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 1: and turns and a lot of surprising gay moments. When 838 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,359 Speaker 1: Chuck screamed out he was in love, I was like, oh, yeah, 839 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? All right, let's get into another review. 840 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 1: This is a ten out of ten as well. This one, 841 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: says R. Kelly convert E. Easy to describe this one. 842 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: You will either love it or hate it. Look through 843 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 1: the comments they are pretty much all either one or ten, 844 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: with only a few fence sitters. Personally, I saw this 845 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 1: for what it truly is the funniest, most entertaining, complex 846 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: and interwoven. Loved. I don't even know that word ever 847 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,839 Speaker 1: conceived personally. When my friend told me Keith sent me 848 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: something in the post that I loved chapter nine, I 849 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be a book. When R Kelly, 850 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: Trapped in Clauset arrived several days later, little did I 851 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: know that my life would be forever changed. Well that's 852 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: an exaggeration, but I did laugh from start to finish. 853 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, anything that can ever do, 854 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: can do even half of that, deserves every award ever. 855 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't they didn't proof read this at all. If 856 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,279 Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to see this, then do If 857 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: you've heard of this film and get past the low 858 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: rating and make it to the comments, then take it 859 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 1: as a sign something has compelled you this far, So 860 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 1: don't go away. Actively seek it out and spend the 861 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: most entertaining minutes of your short life. The world needs 862 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: more laughter. Open the door. I feel like that was 863 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,839 Speaker 1: a little heavy handed because it went like all of that, 864 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: like girl chill, like it had something like giggles like. 865 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,319 Speaker 1: It was fine, but I don't think it was like 866 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: the best thing ever. It just felt like almost like 867 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 1: a parody of like Tyler Perry. It just felt like 868 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,879 Speaker 1: very like you were in on like a joke, like oh, 869 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: this is funny, because we know what this is. And honestly, 870 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 1: at the time it came out, I think maybe I 871 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,280 Speaker 1: just didn't realize like how many victims it was because 872 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: I just was like, yeah, he like his great ship, 873 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: but like he probably like regrets it. And then later 874 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: when you find out he didn't, that's when it's like, 875 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: but like during that particular period, I'm like, oh, yeah, 876 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,359 Speaker 1: look he's like grown up stuff. Now. I do think 877 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: to your point, there was a period where it seemed like, oh, 878 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 1: it was just that one girl and that's that's okay, 879 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: And it's like, that's not okay. It's actually still pretty 880 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,959 Speaker 1: fucked up. But I think the society made a choice 881 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,759 Speaker 1: where it's like, hi, once we could deal with one, 882 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 1: and then it turned out it was one hundred and 883 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 1: ninety three, and it's like, okay, that's a different conversation. Man, 884 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,880 Speaker 1: I didn't know what that meaning. I just made up 885 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: a random number. That's actually but I wouldn't put it 886 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 1: past them to it. There's no way r Kelly's number 887 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 1: isn't lower than a hundred and ninety three, and he 888 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,919 Speaker 1: clearly doesn't enjoy adult women that much. So I'm gonna 889 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: say a hundred Okay, I said, okay, hell yeah, tell 890 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: your friend. Uh there's the last review. This one's my 891 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,760 Speaker 1: personal favorite, and this one's a one out of ten stars. 892 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: Much like the previous one alluded to, they're all either 893 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: ones or tens, But this one says R. Kelly is 894 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,520 Speaker 1: a disgrace to all black people. Not only that, but 895 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,879 Speaker 1: he is also a disgrace to the entire human race. 896 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: Go away, are Kelly. You were this close to being cool, 897 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: but you just had to pee on the bitch, didn't you? 898 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,120 Speaker 1: Didn't you? I hate you, Are Kelly, I really really 899 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,280 Speaker 1: hate you. I think you are this generation's hitler. You suck. 900 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: In case you didn't get the idea, I'll give you 901 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: some director's commentary. I hate you. I seriously do not 902 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: like this movie and the IMDb comments rule. And also 903 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 1: I hope the so called stars of this feature understand 904 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,439 Speaker 1: that they will never get an acting job again. See 905 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,120 Speaker 1: you in porn, folks. I also feel bad about the 906 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 1: people who worked with him on this project. Did they 907 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 1: like No, he was a joke. I don't understand how 908 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: this even exists. Wow, okay that person. I love their passion. 909 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: First of all, uh really the amount of tithings that 910 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,880 Speaker 1: they said I hate you, yes, made it, made it, 911 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 1: made it very clear. There were a few parts that 912 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: I was like, you're overstepping. You can't say that these 913 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,240 Speaker 1: people won't get jobs again because some of them. Yeah, 914 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 1: Michael Kay Williams works, and so I'm like saying, your 915 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: lane and your lanes is your emotions, which I'm I'm 916 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,759 Speaker 1: bored for and like, yeah, hate him. Um, yeah, I 917 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,640 Speaker 1: think that review. I gave it a ten out of ten. Well, 918 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: I'll give it a nine out of ten because they 919 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: didn't like them overstepping to speak to the actors. They 920 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,800 Speaker 1: don't know what situations they ran, right, But yeah, I 921 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,480 Speaker 1: love I really love how much they hate it. I 922 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 1: do not agree that he's okay depending on who wrote it, 923 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: because my feelings will change. I think if if a 924 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: black woman caught him the Hitler of our generation, I 925 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, there's an argument there because his 926 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,360 Speaker 1: victims were all black women. That speaks a lot to 927 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,840 Speaker 1: like systemic problems with him, like culture as a whole. 928 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 1: M hm. So that like helps me there. But if 929 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,239 Speaker 1: it's not. I just want to know, like, what have 930 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: your life been to like that? This is the person 931 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, so, what are like these other people like that? Bar? 932 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,280 Speaker 1: Like they said that bar? So I'm just like, okay, 933 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,319 Speaker 1: so people who are like more terrible than him? Who 934 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: were who you got? Like? Who? Yeah? The deck. I 935 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,480 Speaker 1: will say that it and I could be wrong, but 936 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: it felt like a white person wrote it. And that's 937 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: how well calling him Hitler felt a little bit like 938 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: come on, big dog. We could point out a few 939 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,840 Speaker 1: more Hitlers before we get to R. Kelly. I know 940 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 1: he's not a good guy. I'm not saying there are 941 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, he's not Hitler Adjason, but there are a 942 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,640 Speaker 1: few white options for you to go down the list 943 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 1: on before you get to Art Kelly by you know, 944 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:11,080 Speaker 1: including presidents. Even if they said like Hitler too little 945 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:16,240 Speaker 1: black women, I'd be like, okay, that sense you study 946 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,720 Speaker 1: all right, But just like generally, I'm like, okay, you 947 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 1: you that's too broad right there. So again, based on 948 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 1: this review you're giving Sky Captain, you're saying a not 949 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,000 Speaker 1: out of ten, largely for passion and not necessarily for 950 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,680 Speaker 1: accurate I'll take it back. I'm now aiming at like 951 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: a seven, because now I do think that they are Caucasian, 952 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 1: and that does paint it differently for me. Okay, that's fair. 953 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,839 Speaker 1: Uh And you know what, I can't argue with you. 954 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,040 Speaker 1: I think a seven seems reasonable. Thank you for your passion, 955 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: but maybe do a little bit more research before you 956 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,280 Speaker 1: go calling the nigga who was on the Batman soundtrack, Hitler, 957 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:03,479 Speaker 1: because they let Hitler about Listen. I've listened to every 958 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,439 Speaker 1: Batman soundtrack and not one song from Hitler, not one. 959 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 1: M This is great, Dwayne. Thank you for being here, 960 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. Could you tell the people 961 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: at home where they can find you what cool ship 962 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: you have going on? Oh? Yeah, yeah, you can find 963 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,600 Speaker 1: me on Twitter. It's just Dwayne Perkins. It's d e W. 964 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 1: Because there's another stand up comedian that has my same 965 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,520 Speaker 1: name and I'm not him. And then our Instagram is 966 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,400 Speaker 1: duyne K Perkins. Um yeah, was Friday's on Peacock? I 967 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,800 Speaker 1: like that Black Woman's Hell Yeah? Watch the show? Follow 968 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,880 Speaker 1: him on Twitter and Instagram and as always following, like, subscribeing, 969 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,200 Speaker 1: and say nice things or horrible things about the podcast. 970 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: I enjoy both. And if you would like to send 971 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,439 Speaker 1: us drops or cool thoughts or conspiracy theories of your own, 972 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,680 Speaker 1: please send them to my Mama pod at gmail dot com. 973 00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,399 Speaker 1: I would love to hear from you and follow me 974 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,920 Speaker 1: on those platforms Instagram and Twitter. If that's some ship 975 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,400 Speaker 1: you're into, I'm not gonna follow you back. I'm a 976 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,200 Speaker 1: sick oh that way, but I'm happy you're following me 977 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,560 Speaker 1: and I didn't have to say any of this last part. 978 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: Okay by because my crop chips in your qual bears 979 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: are racist. The money stuff I can't tell me