WEBVTT - Your turn to talk…. 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.880 This is the most dramatic podcast ever, and I heart 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:10.959 radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:16.239 Chris Harrison. What an unbelievable week it's been. What a moving, 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.120 emotional week it has been, and it's all because of you, guys. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:26.640 I was a little bit scared two do this podcast, 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:32.440 jump into this endeavor and be so honest and vulnerable 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:39.280 with you, and you have embraced and been so spectacular, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.000 and you've taken the podcast to number one in its 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:43.919 first week, and I just wanted to say thank you. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.440 We are humbled. I say we because Elsie is sitting 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:49.720 right next to me, and we are just so humbled, 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:54.280 so grateful. We love you guys so very much, and 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.880 it has made me so enthusiastic about jumping into this 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.600 week and conte enuing on with this project. And here's 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.080 where I want to start today. The headlines. The first 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:11.400 headline that immediately came after the show aired, Chris Harrison 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.839 shades Nick Vial, and then right after that, Nick Vale 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:19.760 shades Chris Harrison. Let me clear this up very quickly. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:26.440 Nick is a friend of mine. Nick was very supportive 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.360 of me when I was going through all this. He 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.479 defended my character. I've been on his podcast. We talked 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.040 from time to time. As he said, we're not besties. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.240 We don't hang out every day, we don't barbecue all 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.720 the time. But I consider him a friend. And he 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:43.960 did defend me, and he allowed people to come on 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.600 his show and defend me, and for that, I'm very 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:51.480 grateful and I appreciate it. And there was no shade 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:58.320 being thrown at Nick. And then a couple of days later, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.520 I realized why Nick was so sensitive to that moment 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.720 and didn't want this kind of press. He got engaged. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.079 He got down on one knee and proposed to Natalie, 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.480 and he got engaged. And I first and foremost want 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.480 to say congratulations. I'm so happy for them. I talked 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.200 to Nick and then we FaceTime to actually after the engagement. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.560 I saw the beautiful ring on Natalie's finger. It is stunning, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.640 by the way, nice work, and Lauren and I send 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.160 our love. We are so happy for them. We can't 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.320 wait to hear about wedding plans and all the great 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.639 things to come. Um. But yeah, I see the timing 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.600 of last week and those headlines not great. Sorry, pal, 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:42.520 that was kind of crappy. Um. The other headline, I 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.240 have to talk about the saga and Good Morning America 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.760 with Amy Robock and t J Holmes. I have a 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:56.040 lot of strong opinions about this. This is personal. A 0:02:56.120 --> 0:03:00.480 report came out that Amy and t J had been 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:05.600 let go and that they have lawyered up. And to that, 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:13.000 I say, good for you, guys, good for you for 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.320 those of you to catch up. They had been I 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.639 guess suspended, taken off the air from g M A 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.919 three where they were co hosting, and they've they've had 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.320 this affair, and man, do I have strong feelings about this, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:30.600 first of all, very uh sympathetic and empathetic, understanding really 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.880 what they're going through. And I'm not talking about morally, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.080 say what you will about how this has all happened 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.840 and their affairs and how they've handled this. I will 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.960 say this, none of us know. You don't know what's 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.120 happening in anyone's house. You don't know. And this is 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:50.560 not to excuse anything, but we have no idea. You 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.400 have no idea what's going on in your neighbor's house 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.560 right now, even if you see them every day, you 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:59.840 don't know. And it is this irony is not lost 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:01.920 on me that they are going through the exact same thing. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.520 And then the headlines come out that they have both 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:07.400 lawyered up and they are both fighting this, And to that, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:12.720 I say, good on you, good on you. You guys go, 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.040 I've been in this business for a long time. You 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:23.760 sign these contracts. There are morality clauses in there. Is 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:28.200 it morally reprehensible to fall in love? Because that's what 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:32.320 they've done. That is the crime that they are being 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:38.320 punished for, is falling in love? And is it morally reprehensible? 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.280 Is it against the law to fall in love with 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.839 someone at work that is equal to you? They're on 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.080 level footing, they were co hosts. Is it illegal or 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.560 wrong to fall in love with someone equal to you 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:59.840 and to follow those feelings? And if everybody knew about 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.200 this s which you know all the sources from inside 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.520 are saying. And by the way I've worked in newsrooms, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.400 there are no secrets that this was the worst kept 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.359 secret at g m A. Everybody knew about it. The 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:14.039 co host knew about it. And for them now to 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:19.719 get on this moral hi box and say, well, we 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.440 just found out about this, you know, we we we 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.480 have to take a stand morally you knew about this, 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.760 and now you're taking a stand because well maybe you 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.960 don't feel like it looks good publicly. That's totally different. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.719 So t J and Amy, good on, you fight the 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.040 good fight. I was going to suggest, by the way, 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.920 I have an amazing lawyer if you guys need um, 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.360 and he kind of knows the opponent. So let me 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.000 know if you need anything. I'm Amy and t J. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.200 I'm here for you. Um. And again, this isn't to 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.040 say what's happened in their own houses, what happened in 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.680 their own bedrooms. I don't know. You know. I can 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:59.880 read the tabloids like you, but they don't know either. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:08.800 It's all speculation. Um. And I know the feeling of 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.920 being at work on a Monday and then on Tuesday 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:18.720 you're being pulled off the air and you are being ostracized, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.240 backs are being turned by your co host, by your 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.440 co workers. Your whole life has changed. Their whole life. 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.719 Think of a snow globe. Their whole life is a 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.440 snow globe that just got picked up and shaken. And 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.919 again I'm not defending anything because I don't know the 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.480 facts behind everything. This is just my my gut, my emotions, 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.720 after what I have been through and knowing, man, this 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:45.479 this there's a lot of similarities to this. UM And 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.240 I'm sitting here with l Z and I have to 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.520 bring her in on this because we went through this together. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.440 I feel for them so much because of some of 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.400 the stuff I've read. And look, we talked about how 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.520 you can't always believe what sources say. But when I 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.320 was re ng some of the reports I saw actually 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.000 one day before the news came out that they were 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:07.760 let go. They were let go on Friday, and I 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:12.000 believe on Thursday there was a report that said, um, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.800 Amy and t J are expecting this to, you know, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.400 be just fine. They think that things are going to 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.520 cool down and there's no grounds to fire them on 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.440 and they won't be fired. A source was saying, And 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.120 I have to say that sounded very familiar to me. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.640 All that that, uh, you know, you're being told, oh 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:35.240 think you know, let's things are cool, don't worry UM 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:41.520 And Look, I just feel for them on that. Like 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:46.080 you were saying, they're in a relationship. I don't think 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:50.239 they did anything wrong work wise, right, It doesn't seem 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.600 like they did to me. They're being let go. In 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.480 my opinion because of just how things look and so 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.360 the fact that they've lawyered up, yeah, good for them. 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:04.480 So here's my show idea. I'm gonna throw you a pitch, 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.480 and you know, just to show that I'm a good guy, 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.760 I'm gonna save Good Morning America. And this is a 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:19.560 one time offer for ABC and g m A. I 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.920 will come back for one day and I will host 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.640 Good Morning America and I will do a sit down 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.880 with Amy and t J. This is what they should 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.040 have done from the start, but I'm here to save 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.160 the day. You're welcome. I will host a tell all, 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.080 we'll sit down, We'll hash all this out with Amy 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:44.000 and t J. If you tell me, that wouldn't get 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.240 the biggest ratings in the history of g m A. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.040 That would be a massive show, a sit down where 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.800 we hash all this out. But that's my pitch. Would 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.160 would you let t J and Amy ask you questions 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.559 as well? It would be a forum, obviously I would. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.240 I would want to talk more about them, but yeah, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.800 I would. It would be a given a take and 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:14.240 I think it would be spectacular. I saw a comment 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.240 the other day from Lisa Renna, who just left her 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.199 Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She said on an Instagram 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.960 messy equals ratings, and there has never been a more clear, 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.400 simple and dead on way of putting it. Well, here's 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.559 the thing, in all seriousness at ABC News, lean into it. 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.600 Whether it's Lisa Renna's point to the messy, lean into 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.559 the story instead of running and hiding and then speculation 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:42.080 and you leave, you leave a vacuum. I remember reading 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.400 there was some I'm going to forget the outlet, but 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.600 this article about how brands are now brands and companies 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.120 make their decisions based on social media feedback now right. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.480 And on the one hand, that can be a great thing. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.160 It can be a great way to access your audience. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.240 I think it was awesome on The Bachelor in many ways. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.200 But on the other hand, I do think companies are 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:07.280 making decisions about people's lives and careers based on a 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:12.000 couple of voices on Twitter, and Twitter is not representative 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.880 of how the general public feels. The numbers aren't even 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.280 there to support that, not even close. It is a 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.920 minute percentage of people who are on Twitter, and what 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.240 happens is two or three tweets get pulled for a 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.960 clickbait headline. For an outlet, and then everything feels bigger 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.320 than it is, or one opinion feels bigger than it is, 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:36.080 and companies get scared. So Amy and t J. I 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.240 feel for you, guys. I very much sympathize with what 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.080 you're going through, and I can only imagine how your 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:45.880 world has been turned upside down. Um it's it. I 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.840 feel a little gutted again just just seeing those headlines. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.240 And just because I know you. You guys, you two 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.600 are up against one of the biggest companies in the world, 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.160 and and I'm glad you have each other. I hope 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:58.840 you still have each other. I hope they're working as 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.959 a team on us. But legally this is going to 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.360 be fascinating as well, because you remember it was Amy 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:09.319 Roeback who had the nuts on the Epstein story. Remember 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.719 when that Remember when the leaked tape got out. So 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.120 Amy Roeback got caught on that hot Mike moment where 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:19.360 she said, we had Epstein dead to rights, we had 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:23.000 all of this, and then man did that story just disappear? 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.920 And man did Amy just disappear quickly after that? Meaning 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.240 she was saying that she had the story and Epstein 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.280 and she said something like they wouldn't let her do 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.800 the story. And remember she got she got silenced. So 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:42.319 they've lawyered up. And this is going to be nasty. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:47.360 It'll probably be pretty quiet. It'll be for the most 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.000 part out of the public eye. I'm sure things will 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:55.560 be leaked. I'm sorry, sources will say. Um. And so 0:11:55.720 --> 0:12:00.760 this will be a very fascinating story. Worry to follow, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:05.360 and I will be following with my heart. Um. And again, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.520 make no bones about it. I'll tell you which side 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:12.840 I'm on. I'll take David every time. Watch out for 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:27.480 the slingshot Goliath. Okay, So with those headlines out of 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.040 the way, I also want this week, in this episode 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.600 to be hearing from you, um, all of the fans, 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.480 the listeners and getting your takes. And so I see 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.240 and I'm guys, I'm new at this, so give me 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:42.559 a break. But I see we have a collar on 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.200 the line. So I hope I don't screw this up. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.760 I hope I don't hang up on this person. Uh 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.920 who's with me? And Uh? What's on your mind? Who's 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:54.040 on the line? Hi, my name is Missy. Hey missy, 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:59.640 how are you doing crazy crazy times right now? Yeah? 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.880 What is what's your question or what's your comment. I 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:09.120 have a lot of questions for you. Oh gosh, okay, Um, well, first, 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:14.720 I'm a reality show junkie. I will admit I haven't 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.600 seen the last couple of seasons of the Bachelor, but 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.760 I do still watch Bachelor in Paradise and I recently 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:25.280 got into Love Is Blind, which has been huge. Have 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.960 you watched that? You know? I watched a little bit 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.400 of it. I always watch a little bit of everything 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.079 just to see what's in the marketplace and like who's 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.600 hosting and how they're doing it and how it's different. Um, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:41.320 so yes, I have watched it. I'm not a devout fan, right, Okay, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.079 I'm a new fan. I just finished season three, went 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.200 back to season one, and I'm going to season two. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.679 But I mean, I guess you don't watch it too much. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.640 But I just wanted your thoughts because it seems like 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:56.680 there's actually more successful couples that last coming out of 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:01.200 that show than the Bachelor. Interesting. Um, and I don't 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.120 know why that is or but well, first of all, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.280 they have a very short track record. What have they 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.000 had three or four seasons, but they've got like six 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.120 couples in each season. So the odds are probably right. Well, 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.400 and you mentioned you mentioned something interesting about Paradise. Um. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.960 You know, obviously the backs for backs arette you have 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.840 one shot at making one relationship work, and that's a 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:25.200 very difficult thing as opposed to on Paradise we have 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.040 what you know, five six, seven, eight different men and women. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.480 Of course, the percentages, yeah, the percentages are higher for sure, 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.960 and that you know, that's that's an interesting concept when 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.480 you start talking about what kind of show you're gonna produce, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.040 you know, are you going to give one person a chance? 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.040 And it's it's a it's a real lightning in a 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.640 bottle moment to make something like that work, to just 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.680 have one person find love because there's so many variables. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.040 So you know, I like those concepts like a love 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.440 is blind and like some of these other shows that 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.200 have come to the forefront and really taken over as 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.800 far as social relevance goes. Do you think, Missy, I'm 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.760 can I pipe in with a follow up question because 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.640 I'm so interested in this path you've taken us on 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:10.840 high Missy, do you think though that that you just 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.640 said on Bachelor Bachelorette it's one relationship? Do you also 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.680 think part of the reason the Paradise couples were more 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.280 successful is because the pressure level was different on those 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.560 couples versus the bachelor and the bachelorette had so much 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.560 to answer to from everybody. You're right, there is definitely 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.960 something to that having been in that an environment, that arena, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.040 there is a lot of pressure on being the one 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.680 person as opposed to you can fly under the radar. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.200 I mean, I remember when Jaden Tanner came in and 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.440 they just kind of disappeared and had their own little 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.680 love story going and we just kind of followed along. 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.360 So there definitely is a difference in in the pressure 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.320 of all that. Missy, what else you got? How hard 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.960 is it actually in paradise because these people all look 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.080 like they're sweating all the time, and how do they 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.520 sleep in that? And it's not, by the way, it's 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.840 not just paradise. Um. You know, you have these locations. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:03.120 South Africa comes to mind, Bora, Bora, and they're beautiful, 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.720 they're exotic. Thailand, oh my gosh. You know, humid it 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.120 gets you don't even you don't know if the heat 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.080 is coming from above or below. You're just sweating out 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.240 of places you didn't even know you had um. It 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.000 is remarkably difficult, not not just for the cast, and 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.520 it is hard to let me bring back something else. Also, 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.040 when we're in Paradise, there is a time when the 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:31.280 crabs are born and hatched and then migrate, and that 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.480 typically happens while we're shooting. So in the middle of 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.200 this you have the crabs and I'm talking hundreds and 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:43.520 thousands walking through the set over you onto the beach 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.080 to go be free, and it's like, so the things 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.080 you deal with are really bizarre. And yes, the the heat, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.560 the sweat, and then, by the way, then you're in 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.120 Iceland and you're freezing to death, So those those elements 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.800 always come into play as well. I actually once started 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:00.960 compiling and I never in it, so I give this 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.760 to another journalist out there. Someone should do it. I 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:08.800 started compiling a list of products from past Paradise sylams 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.520 that they used that like worked well against sweat on 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.960 the beach, like the best foundation, the best hair stuff. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:15.840 So somebody should do that. From the cast, I can 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:20.200 tell you from experience. You go past blotting and talcum 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.640 powder and bass and you go to a towel. Are 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.080 you ross in the with the leather pants. You know, 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.280 I was ross exactly. There's not enough talcum powder in 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.520 the world you'd use. You know, my makeup artist at 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.159 some point just gives up and she's like, here's a 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.639 towel because it looks like a bucket was thrown on you. Um, Missy, 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.639 thanks for taking me down memory lane there. Did you 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.639 have anything else? I guess I do have one question obviously. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:48.160 You know there's a lot online about like your exit 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.680 with where you fired, like what actually happened? Oh, miss 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.640 you with the big question at the end. I love it, Missy. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:02.159 Are you a journalist? Absolutely not. Um, you know what, 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.840 I'll jump in, Missy, I'm so glad you asked that 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.760 because I see that a lot too, and it's a 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.280 bit I get a little defensive when I see people 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.560 saying he was fired, um, which I know doesn't come 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.800 from a place of malice at all. I think, you know, 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.720 people are just kind of assuming or summarizing. When we 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.120 did the podcast last week, I saw some people doing 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.040 TikTok's about it or whatever, and they're saying, so Chris 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:32.480 talks about when he was fired, and I don't I 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:37.000 don't think it's malicious at all. But I would say, 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.480 you know what, No, I'll say it. Chris was not fired. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:45.159 Chris was not fired. And um, I don't think I 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.640 won't say any more than that, Missy. If it were 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:52.679 a relationship, it would be complicated. Hey, thank you so 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.359 much for calling in. I love hearing from you. Um, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.960 and I hopefully will talk to you again. Thanks Missy. 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:05.560 By all right, we have another caller. Hi. This is Eileen. Hey, Eileen, 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.240 how you doing. You're on with Chris and Lauren. What's 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.160 on your mind? So? First of all, I'm a super fan. 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.680 I've been watching since day one, since Alex Michelle. Thank 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:19.080 you that. Wow, you just dated yourself. Alex Michelle was 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.639 the first Bachelor babe like the I know you know 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.600 it's funny. People don't sorry to cut you off only 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.760 but people don't remember because he was. It really wasn't 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.159 the most popular season as far as ratings go, but 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:31.840 he was. He was number one. It was the spring 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:36.480 of two thousand two. It was Alex Michelle out of Dallas, Texas. 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.640 Come on, Eileen with the trivia. I love it. Now. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.600 Do you do you know where he is today? Do 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:44.920 you keep in touch with him? You know, of all 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.880 the people I have lost touch with it's Alex Michelle. 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.160 I have heard vicious rumors because we tried to track 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.119 him down while we were doing the greatest you know 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.800 episodes ever whatever it was. I was shooting during the 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:59.000 pandemic in my house and we tried to track him down. 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.640 Someone let me know they saw him in New York 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.320 City and they saw him actually at the train station. 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.200 I think he was walking across Grand Central Station. And 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.000 then this sounds real. This sounds like I think this 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.679 is real. I really, this is uh, this is like 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.320 Michael Jackson. Still I'm true. No, I think no. I 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.480 think I've heard he was in New York City. I 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.800 heard he's doing good, But no, I've lost touch with him. 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.840 I'm so curious to know, what do you think of 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:27.879 the whole Bachelor Nation craze? Like it's did you did 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.800 you coin that? Like it's it's insane, like how famous 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.120 and just the whole even from Dancing with the Star 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.320 as these people win, like I mean a dance like 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:40.159 it's just insane. What what you started? Actually a great question. 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.400 I did coin that phrase. I was actually the first 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.880 person to use Bachelor Nation. But to me, it's gotten 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.159 kind of convoluted. Not that I'm you know, take so 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.000 much pride that I upsets me. But no, I I 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.200 take pride in the fact I created the Bachelor Nation 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.080 phrase and started using it. But I thought of that 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:03.240 as you, you the listener, you the viewer. I meant 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:05.520 it for all of you that I connected with each 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.280 and every week that watched and loved the show and 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.280 held it so dear. The people that were on the 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.160 show were my bachelor family. That's how I referred to them. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.160 And you know, it's this is silly to even get 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:18.719 this deep into the weeds on this, but that's how 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.640 I felt. Bachelor Nation was you, and I always thought 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.080 that that was sacred. And then some people started saying, oh, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.880 Bachelor Nation, and that's everybody on the show and off, 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.520 and so that was my bachelor family. You or my bad. 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.840 You were my Bachelor Nation, and now you're my drama 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:38.440 Nation with the most dramatic podcast ever. You have a 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:40.280 few more questions, if you have time, How did you 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:44.000 like originally get the gig? Oh my gosh, Eileen, we're 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.800 really going to we're taking deep. Um. You know what's 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.439 funny is watching for a long time. So I'm like 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.880 you know I'm a fan, thank you. I never auditioned 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.720 for the show. I never auditioned. I heard there was 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:56.760 a show that I was on the list for and 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.720 at the time they were looking for a kind of 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.760 an unknown guy x door who was at the time, 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.200 I was married, someone who was married. I was expecting 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.800 my first child, my son Josh, who let's date ourselves 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.160 now he's a junior in college for crying out loud. Um. 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.560 But that was it, and it was a number of 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.639 meetings that I had. I never auditioned. There was no 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.120 reading for it, as you often do in Hollywood, and 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.560 it was really odd. I mean, I don't mean this 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.320 in a negative way, but I did less to get 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.679 this job than in probably any job I've ever had 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:30.280 where I had to probably audition or or show something. Um. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.760 But they saw something in me that they loved and 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.720 they didn't want a big name, and that's that was key, 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:40.880 because really, usually somebody wants a name to launch a show, right. 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.360 You want Jimmy Kimmel or Howard Stern or whoever Drew 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.280 Carey to come in and host uh Prices, right, because 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.240 it's a name that you can kind of sell the 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:53.040 show on. And this particular moment, they didn't they didn't 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.240 want that and and for some reason they tapped me 0:22:55.280 --> 0:23:01.320 on the shoulder. Was the craziest thing a fan? Like? 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.760 What was like? Because you're I know, you're you're spotted 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:07.119 probably everywhere. What's the craziest thing a fan? You know 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:12.480 when they saw you? What they said? Wow? Um hmm. 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.520