Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever, and I heart
Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison. What an unbelievable week it's been. What a moving,
Speaker 1: emotional week it has been, and it's all because of you, guys.
Speaker 1: I was a little bit scared two do this podcast,
Speaker 1: jump into this endeavor and be so honest and vulnerable
Speaker 1: with you, and you have embraced and been so spectacular,
Speaker 1: and you've taken the podcast to number one in its
Speaker 1: first week, and I just wanted to say thank you.
Speaker 1: We are humbled. I say we because Elsie is sitting
Speaker 1: right next to me, and we are just so humbled,
Speaker 1: so grateful. We love you guys so very much, and
Speaker 1: it has made me so enthusiastic about jumping into this
Speaker 1: week and conte enuing on with this project. And here's
Speaker 1: where I want to start today. The headlines. The first
Speaker 1: headline that immediately came after the show aired, Chris Harrison
Speaker 1: shades Nick Vial, and then right after that, Nick Vale
Speaker 1: shades Chris Harrison. Let me clear this up very quickly.
Speaker 1: Nick is a friend of mine. Nick was very supportive
Speaker 1: of me when I was going through all this. He
Speaker 1: defended my character. I've been on his podcast. We talked
Speaker 1: from time to time. As he said, we're not besties.
Speaker 1: We don't hang out every day, we don't barbecue all
Speaker 1: the time. But I consider him a friend. And he
Speaker 1: did defend me, and he allowed people to come on
Speaker 1: his show and defend me, and for that, I'm very
Speaker 1: grateful and I appreciate it. And there was no shade
Speaker 1: being thrown at Nick. And then a couple of days later,
Speaker 1: I realized why Nick was so sensitive to that moment
Speaker 1: and didn't want this kind of press. He got engaged.
Speaker 1: He got down on one knee and proposed to Natalie,
Speaker 1: and he got engaged. And I first and foremost want
Speaker 1: to say congratulations. I'm so happy for them. I talked
Speaker 1: to Nick and then we FaceTime to actually after the engagement.
Speaker 1: I saw the beautiful ring on Natalie's finger. It is stunning,
Speaker 1: by the way, nice work, and Lauren and I send
Speaker 1: our love. We are so happy for them. We can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear about wedding plans and all the great
Speaker 1: things to come. Um. But yeah, I see the timing
Speaker 1: of last week and those headlines not great. Sorry, pal,
Speaker 1: that was kind of crappy. Um. The other headline, I
Speaker 1: have to talk about the saga and Good Morning America
Speaker 1: with Amy Robock and t J Holmes. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of strong opinions about this. This is personal. A
Speaker 1: report came out that Amy and t J had been
Speaker 1: let go and that they have lawyered up. And to that,
Speaker 1: I say, good for you, guys, good for you for
Speaker 1: those of you to catch up. They had been I
Speaker 1: guess suspended, taken off the air from g M A
Speaker 1: three where they were co hosting, and they've they've had
Speaker 1: this affair, and man, do I have strong feelings about this,
Speaker 1: first of all, very uh sympathetic and empathetic, understanding really
Speaker 1: what they're going through. And I'm not talking about morally,
Speaker 1: say what you will about how this has all happened
Speaker 1: and their affairs and how they've handled this. I will
Speaker 1: say this, none of us know. You don't know what's
Speaker 1: happening in anyone's house. You don't know. And this is
Speaker 1: not to excuse anything, but we have no idea. You
Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on in your neighbor's house
Speaker 1: right now, even if you see them every day, you
Speaker 1: don't know. And it is this irony is not lost
Speaker 1: on me that they are going through the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: And then the headlines come out that they have both
Speaker 1: lawyered up and they are both fighting this, And to that,
Speaker 1: I say, good on you, good on you. You guys go,
Speaker 1: I've been in this business for a long time. You
Speaker 1: sign these contracts. There are morality clauses in there. Is
Speaker 1: it morally reprehensible to fall in love? Because that's what
Speaker 1: they've done. That is the crime that they are being
Speaker 1: punished for, is falling in love? And is it morally reprehensible?
Speaker 1: Is it against the law to fall in love with
Speaker 1: someone at work that is equal to you? They're on
Speaker 1: level footing, they were co hosts. Is it illegal or
Speaker 1: wrong to fall in love with someone equal to you
Speaker 1: and to follow those feelings? And if everybody knew about
Speaker 1: this s which you know all the sources from inside
Speaker 1: are saying. And by the way I've worked in newsrooms,
Speaker 1: there are no secrets that this was the worst kept
Speaker 1: secret at g m A. Everybody knew about it. The
Speaker 1: co host knew about it. And for them now to
Speaker 1: get on this moral hi box and say, well, we
Speaker 1: just found out about this, you know, we we we
Speaker 1: have to take a stand morally you knew about this,
Speaker 1: and now you're taking a stand because well maybe you
Speaker 1: don't feel like it looks good publicly. That's totally different.
Speaker 1: So t J and Amy, good on, you fight the
Speaker 1: good fight. I was going to suggest, by the way,
Speaker 1: I have an amazing lawyer if you guys need um,
Speaker 1: and he kind of knows the opponent. So let me
Speaker 1: know if you need anything. I'm Amy and t J.
Speaker 1: I'm here for you. Um. And again, this isn't to
Speaker 1: say what's happened in their own houses, what happened in
Speaker 1: their own bedrooms. I don't know. You know. I can
Speaker 1: read the tabloids like you, but they don't know either.
Speaker 1: It's all speculation. Um. And I know the feeling of
Speaker 1: being at work on a Monday and then on Tuesday
Speaker 1: you're being pulled off the air and you are being ostracized,
Speaker 1: backs are being turned by your co host, by your
Speaker 1: co workers. Your whole life has changed. Their whole life.
Speaker 1: Think of a snow globe. Their whole life is a
Speaker 1: snow globe that just got picked up and shaken. And
Speaker 1: again I'm not defending anything because I don't know the
Speaker 1: facts behind everything. This is just my my gut, my emotions,
Speaker 1: after what I have been through and knowing, man, this
Speaker 1: this there's a lot of similarities to this. UM And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with l Z and I have to
Speaker 1: bring her in on this because we went through this together.
Speaker 1: I feel for them so much because of some of
Speaker 1: the stuff I've read. And look, we talked about how
Speaker 1: you can't always believe what sources say. But when I
Speaker 1: was re ng some of the reports I saw actually
Speaker 1: one day before the news came out that they were
Speaker 1: let go. They were let go on Friday, and I
Speaker 1: believe on Thursday there was a report that said, um,
Speaker 1: Amy and t J are expecting this to, you know,
Speaker 1: be just fine. They think that things are going to
Speaker 1: cool down and there's no grounds to fire them on
Speaker 1: and they won't be fired. A source was saying, And
Speaker 1: I have to say that sounded very familiar to me.
Speaker 1: All that that, uh, you know, you're being told, oh
Speaker 1: think you know, let's things are cool, don't worry UM
Speaker 1: And Look, I just feel for them on that. Like
Speaker 1: you were saying, they're in a relationship. I don't think
Speaker 1: they did anything wrong work wise, right, It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like they did to me. They're being let go. In
Speaker 1: my opinion because of just how things look and so
Speaker 1: the fact that they've lawyered up, yeah, good for them.
Speaker 1: So here's my show idea. I'm gonna throw you a pitch,
Speaker 1: and you know, just to show that I'm a good guy,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save Good Morning America. And this is a
Speaker 1: one time offer for ABC and g m A. I
Speaker 1: will come back for one day and I will host
Speaker 1: Good Morning America and I will do a sit down
Speaker 1: with Amy and t J. This is what they should
Speaker 1: have done from the start, but I'm here to save
Speaker 1: the day. You're welcome. I will host a tell all,
Speaker 1: we'll sit down, We'll hash all this out with Amy
Speaker 1: and t J. If you tell me, that wouldn't get
Speaker 1: the biggest ratings in the history of g m A.
Speaker 1: That would be a massive show, a sit down where
Speaker 1: we hash all this out. But that's my pitch. Would
Speaker 1: would you let t J and Amy ask you questions
Speaker 1: as well? It would be a forum, obviously I would.
Speaker 1: I would want to talk more about them, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I would. It would be a given a take and
Speaker 1: I think it would be spectacular. I saw a comment
Speaker 1: the other day from Lisa Renna, who just left her
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She said on an Instagram
Speaker 1: messy equals ratings, and there has never been a more clear,
Speaker 1: simple and dead on way of putting it. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the thing, in all seriousness at ABC News, lean into it.
Speaker 1: Whether it's Lisa Renna's point to the messy, lean into
Speaker 1: the story instead of running and hiding and then speculation
Speaker 1: and you leave, you leave a vacuum. I remember reading
Speaker 1: there was some I'm going to forget the outlet, but
Speaker 1: this article about how brands are now brands and companies
Speaker 1: make their decisions based on social media feedback now right.
Speaker 1: And on the one hand, that can be a great thing.
Speaker 1: It can be a great way to access your audience.
Speaker 1: I think it was awesome on The Bachelor in many ways.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I do think companies are
Speaker 1: making decisions about people's lives and careers based on a
Speaker 1: couple of voices on Twitter, and Twitter is not representative
Speaker 1: of how the general public feels. The numbers aren't even
Speaker 1: there to support that, not even close. It is a
Speaker 1: minute percentage of people who are on Twitter, and what
Speaker 1: happens is two or three tweets get pulled for a
Speaker 1: clickbait headline. For an outlet, and then everything feels bigger
Speaker 1: than it is, or one opinion feels bigger than it is,
Speaker 1: and companies get scared. So Amy and t J. I
Speaker 1: feel for you, guys. I very much sympathize with what
Speaker 1: you're going through, and I can only imagine how your
Speaker 1: world has been turned upside down. Um it's it. I
Speaker 1: feel a little gutted again just just seeing those headlines.
Speaker 1: And just because I know you. You guys, you two
Speaker 1: are up against one of the biggest companies in the world,
Speaker 1: and and I'm glad you have each other. I hope
Speaker 1: you still have each other. I hope they're working as
Speaker 1: a team on us. But legally this is going to
Speaker 1: be fascinating as well, because you remember it was Amy
Speaker 1: Roeback who had the nuts on the Epstein story. Remember
Speaker 1: when that Remember when the leaked tape got out. So
Speaker 1: Amy Roeback got caught on that hot Mike moment where
Speaker 1: she said, we had Epstein dead to rights, we had
Speaker 1: all of this, and then man did that story just disappear?
Speaker 1: And man did Amy just disappear quickly after that? Meaning
Speaker 1: she was saying that she had the story and Epstein
Speaker 1: and she said something like they wouldn't let her do
Speaker 1: the story. And remember she got she got silenced. So
Speaker 1: they've lawyered up. And this is going to be nasty.
Speaker 1: It'll probably be pretty quiet. It'll be for the most
Speaker 1: part out of the public eye. I'm sure things will
Speaker 1: be leaked. I'm sorry, sources will say. Um. And so
Speaker 1: this will be a very fascinating story. Worry to follow,
Speaker 1: and I will be following with my heart. Um. And again,
Speaker 1: make no bones about it. I'll tell you which side
Speaker 1: I'm on. I'll take David every time. Watch out for
Speaker 1: the slingshot Goliath. Okay, So with those headlines out of
Speaker 1: the way, I also want this week, in this episode
Speaker 1: to be hearing from you, um, all of the fans,
Speaker 1: the listeners and getting your takes. And so I see
Speaker 1: and I'm guys, I'm new at this, so give me
Speaker 1: a break. But I see we have a collar on
Speaker 1: the line. So I hope I don't screw this up.
Speaker 1: I hope I don't hang up on this person. Uh
Speaker 1: who's with me? And Uh? What's on your mind? Who's
Speaker 1: on the line? Hi, my name is Missy. Hey missy,
Speaker 1: how are you doing crazy crazy times right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What is what's your question or what's your comment. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of questions for you. Oh gosh, okay, Um, well, first,
Speaker 1: I'm a reality show junkie. I will admit I haven't
Speaker 1: seen the last couple of seasons of the Bachelor, but
Speaker 1: I do still watch Bachelor in Paradise and I recently
Speaker 1: got into Love Is Blind, which has been huge. Have
Speaker 1: you watched that? You know? I watched a little bit
Speaker 1: of it. I always watch a little bit of everything
Speaker 1: just to see what's in the marketplace and like who's
Speaker 1: hosting and how they're doing it and how it's different. Um,
Speaker 1: so yes, I have watched it. I'm not a devout fan, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a new fan. I just finished season three, went
Speaker 1: back to season one, and I'm going to season two.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess you don't watch it too much.
Speaker 1: But I just wanted your thoughts because it seems like
Speaker 1: there's actually more successful couples that last coming out of
Speaker 1: that show than the Bachelor. Interesting. Um, and I don't
Speaker 1: know why that is or but well, first of all,
Speaker 1: they have a very short track record. What have they
Speaker 1: had three or four seasons, but they've got like six
Speaker 1: couples in each season. So the odds are probably right. Well,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned you mentioned something interesting about Paradise. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously the backs for backs arette you have
Speaker 1: one shot at making one relationship work, and that's a
Speaker 1: very difficult thing as opposed to on Paradise we have
Speaker 1: what you know, five six, seven, eight different men and women.
Speaker 1: Of course, the percentages, yeah, the percentages are higher for sure,
Speaker 1: and that you know, that's that's an interesting concept when
Speaker 1: you start talking about what kind of show you're gonna produce,
Speaker 1: you know, are you going to give one person a chance?
Speaker 1: And it's it's a it's a real lightning in a
Speaker 1: bottle moment to make something like that work, to just
Speaker 1: have one person find love because there's so many variables.
Speaker 1: So you know, I like those concepts like a love
Speaker 1: is blind and like some of these other shows that
Speaker 1: have come to the forefront and really taken over as
Speaker 1: far as social relevance goes. Do you think, Missy, I'm
Speaker 1: can I pipe in with a follow up question because
Speaker 1: I'm so interested in this path you've taken us on
Speaker 1: high Missy, do you think though that that you just
Speaker 1: said on Bachelor Bachelorette it's one relationship? Do you also
Speaker 1: think part of the reason the Paradise couples were more
Speaker 1: successful is because the pressure level was different on those
Speaker 1: couples versus the bachelor and the bachelorette had so much
Speaker 1: to answer to from everybody. You're right, there is definitely
Speaker 1: something to that having been in that an environment, that arena,
Speaker 1: there is a lot of pressure on being the one
Speaker 1: person as opposed to you can fly under the radar.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when Jaden Tanner came in and
Speaker 1: they just kind of disappeared and had their own little
Speaker 1: love story going and we just kind of followed along.
Speaker 1: So there definitely is a difference in in the pressure
Speaker 1: of all that. Missy, what else you got? How hard
Speaker 1: is it actually in paradise because these people all look
Speaker 1: like they're sweating all the time, and how do they
Speaker 1: sleep in that? And it's not, by the way, it's
Speaker 1: not just paradise. Um. You know, you have these locations.
Speaker 1: South Africa comes to mind, Bora, Bora, and they're beautiful,
Speaker 1: they're exotic. Thailand, oh my gosh. You know, humid it
Speaker 1: gets you don't even you don't know if the heat
Speaker 1: is coming from above or below. You're just sweating out
Speaker 1: of places you didn't even know you had um. It
Speaker 1: is remarkably difficult, not not just for the cast, and
Speaker 1: it is hard to let me bring back something else. Also,
Speaker 1: when we're in Paradise, there is a time when the
Speaker 1: crabs are born and hatched and then migrate, and that
Speaker 1: typically happens while we're shooting. So in the middle of
Speaker 1: this you have the crabs and I'm talking hundreds and
Speaker 1: thousands walking through the set over you onto the beach
Speaker 1: to go be free, and it's like, so the things
Speaker 1: you deal with are really bizarre. And yes, the the heat,
Speaker 1: the sweat, and then, by the way, then you're in
Speaker 1: Iceland and you're freezing to death, So those those elements
Speaker 1: always come into play as well. I actually once started
Speaker 1: compiling and I never in it, so I give this
Speaker 1: to another journalist out there. Someone should do it. I
Speaker 1: started compiling a list of products from past Paradise sylams
Speaker 1: that they used that like worked well against sweat on
Speaker 1: the beach, like the best foundation, the best hair stuff.
Speaker 1: So somebody should do that. From the cast, I can
Speaker 1: tell you from experience. You go past blotting and talcum
Speaker 1: powder and bass and you go to a towel. Are
Speaker 1: you ross in the with the leather pants. You know,
Speaker 1: I was ross exactly. There's not enough talcum powder in
Speaker 1: the world you'd use. You know, my makeup artist at
Speaker 1: some point just gives up and she's like, here's a
Speaker 1: towel because it looks like a bucket was thrown on you. Um, Missy,
Speaker 1: thanks for taking me down memory lane there. Did you
Speaker 1: have anything else? I guess I do have one question obviously.
Speaker 1: You know there's a lot online about like your exit
Speaker 1: with where you fired, like what actually happened? Oh, miss
Speaker 1: you with the big question at the end. I love it, Missy.
Speaker 1: Are you a journalist? Absolutely not. Um, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll jump in, Missy, I'm so glad you asked that
Speaker 1: because I see that a lot too, and it's a
Speaker 1: bit I get a little defensive when I see people
Speaker 1: saying he was fired, um, which I know doesn't come
Speaker 1: from a place of malice at all. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: people are just kind of assuming or summarizing. When we
Speaker 1: did the podcast last week, I saw some people doing
Speaker 1: TikTok's about it or whatever, and they're saying, so Chris
Speaker 1: talks about when he was fired, and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think it's malicious at all. But I would say,
Speaker 1: you know what, No, I'll say it. Chris was not fired.
Speaker 1: Chris was not fired. And um, I don't think I
Speaker 1: won't say any more than that, Missy. If it were
Speaker 1: a relationship, it would be complicated. Hey, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for calling in. I love hearing from you. Um,
Speaker 1: and I hopefully will talk to you again. Thanks Missy.
Speaker 1: By all right, we have another caller. Hi. This is Eileen. Hey, Eileen,
Speaker 1: how you doing. You're on with Chris and Lauren. What's
Speaker 1: on your mind? So? First of all, I'm a super fan.
Speaker 1: I've been watching since day one, since Alex Michelle. Thank
Speaker 1: you that. Wow, you just dated yourself. Alex Michelle was
Speaker 1: the first Bachelor babe like the I know you know
Speaker 1: it's funny. People don't sorry to cut you off only
Speaker 1: but people don't remember because he was. It really wasn't
Speaker 1: the most popular season as far as ratings go, but
Speaker 1: he was. He was number one. It was the spring
Speaker 1: of two thousand two. It was Alex Michelle out of Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 1: Come on, Eileen with the trivia. I love it. Now.
Speaker 1: Do you do you know where he is today? Do
Speaker 1: you keep in touch with him? You know, of all
Speaker 1: the people I have lost touch with it's Alex Michelle.
Speaker 1: I have heard vicious rumors because we tried to track
Speaker 1: him down while we were doing the greatest you know
Speaker 1: episodes ever whatever it was. I was shooting during the
Speaker 1: pandemic in my house and we tried to track him down.
Speaker 1: Someone let me know they saw him in New York
Speaker 1: City and they saw him actually at the train station.
Speaker 1: I think he was walking across Grand Central Station. And
Speaker 1: then this sounds real. This sounds like I think this
Speaker 1: is real. I really, this is uh, this is like
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. Still I'm true. No, I think no. I
Speaker 1: think I've heard he was in New York City. I
Speaker 1: heard he's doing good, But no, I've lost touch with him.
Speaker 1: I'm so curious to know, what do you think of
Speaker 1: the whole Bachelor Nation craze? Like it's did you did
Speaker 1: you coin that? Like it's it's insane, like how famous
Speaker 1: and just the whole even from Dancing with the Star
Speaker 1: as these people win, like I mean a dance like
Speaker 1: it's just insane. What what you started? Actually a great question.
Speaker 1: I did coin that phrase. I was actually the first
Speaker 1: person to use Bachelor Nation. But to me, it's gotten
Speaker 1: kind of convoluted. Not that I'm you know, take so
Speaker 1: much pride that I upsets me. But no, I I
Speaker 1: take pride in the fact I created the Bachelor Nation
Speaker 1: phrase and started using it. But I thought of that
Speaker 1: as you, you the listener, you the viewer. I meant
Speaker 1: it for all of you that I connected with each
Speaker 1: and every week that watched and loved the show and
Speaker 1: held it so dear. The people that were on the
Speaker 1: show were my bachelor family. That's how I referred to them.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's this is silly to even get
Speaker 1: this deep into the weeds on this, but that's how
Speaker 1: I felt. Bachelor Nation was you, and I always thought
Speaker 1: that that was sacred. And then some people started saying, oh,
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, and that's everybody on the show and off,
Speaker 1: and so that was my bachelor family. You or my bad.
Speaker 1: You were my Bachelor Nation, and now you're my drama
Speaker 1: Nation with the most dramatic podcast ever. You have a
Speaker 1: few more questions, if you have time, How did you
Speaker 1: like originally get the gig? Oh my gosh, Eileen, we're
Speaker 1: really going to we're taking deep. Um. You know what's
Speaker 1: funny is watching for a long time. So I'm like
Speaker 1: you know I'm a fan, thank you. I never auditioned
Speaker 1: for the show. I never auditioned. I heard there was
Speaker 1: a show that I was on the list for and
Speaker 1: at the time they were looking for a kind of
Speaker 1: an unknown guy x door who was at the time,
Speaker 1: I was married, someone who was married. I was expecting
Speaker 1: my first child, my son Josh, who let's date ourselves
Speaker 1: now he's a junior in college for crying out loud. Um.
Speaker 1: But that was it, and it was a number of
Speaker 1: meetings that I had. I never auditioned. There was no
Speaker 1: reading for it, as you often do in Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: it was really odd. I mean, I don't mean this
Speaker 1: in a negative way, but I did less to get
Speaker 1: this job than in probably any job I've ever had
Speaker 1: where I had to probably audition or or show something. Um.
Speaker 1: But they saw something in me that they loved and
Speaker 1: they didn't want a big name, and that's that was key,
Speaker 1: because really, usually somebody wants a name to launch a show, right.
Speaker 1: You want Jimmy Kimmel or Howard Stern or whoever Drew
Speaker 1: Carey to come in and host uh Prices, right, because
Speaker 1: it's a name that you can kind of sell the
Speaker 1: show on. And this particular moment, they didn't they didn't
Speaker 1: want that and and for some reason they tapped me
Speaker 1: on the shoulder. Was the craziest thing a fan? Like?
Speaker 1: What was like? Because you're I know, you're you're spotted
Speaker 1: probably everywhere. What's the craziest thing a fan? You know
Speaker 1: when they saw you? What they said? Wow? Um hmm.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of I've had I've had, you know,
Speaker 1: I get the I get the typical stuff of like, um,
Speaker 1: you know Rose guy or hey, you know that? That
Speaker 1: part I love And let me just say this, I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it all. I love when people
Speaker 1: come up to Lauren and I I love when they
Speaker 1: because of the people who do come up are just
Speaker 1: lovely people and they just want to talk and they
Speaker 1: just want to chat. And I love meeting people. And
Speaker 1: this is why I love this podcast and talking to you,
Speaker 1: because it's just a chance to get to know people
Speaker 1: and and hear them. And so I've heard, you know,
Speaker 1: I've heard some really uncomfortable stories like I've been sitting
Speaker 1: at an airport bar or whatever, and someone will just
Speaker 1: be sitting next to me and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this woman is telling me her sex life and telling
Speaker 1: me all about her husband and all, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know this is getting deep, and so I just
Speaker 1: I love the fact though that people feel like, well,
Speaker 1: I know you, you're You're Chris, and I can sit
Speaker 1: down and talk with you just like everybody else can.
Speaker 1: And so I do love the fact sometimes it gets
Speaker 1: a little personal, but I love that that is our relationship.
Speaker 1: And that's what this podcast is going to be all about,
Speaker 1: is you being able to open up to me and
Speaker 1: let's just talk. Let's talk relationships, and sometimes it gets
Speaker 1: really personal. Are there any like Are there any like
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to know? There any like Bachelor of
Speaker 1: Bachelrettes that, like you wanted to be the Bachelor of
Speaker 1: Bachelorette in the seasons that weren't picked, you know, necessarily
Speaker 1: have the same names. But was there anyone that you like,
Speaker 1: push for, like you thought would be agreed that never
Speaker 1: got a shot. I remember you telling me you thought
Speaker 1: Jason Tartet would have been a great bachelor, which is
Speaker 1: so wonderful that him and Caitlin are together now. They
Speaker 1: still found each other through the show. But I remember
Speaker 1: you saying that you you just thought Jason had it
Speaker 1: all and would have been a great bachelor. Well and
Speaker 1: going back to another answer, I love Jason, uh you know,
Speaker 1: and I love Jason and Caitlin and I'm happy for them.
Speaker 1: I'm they're engaged. And I um talk to Jay a
Speaker 1: lot because we talked a lot of football stuff. Buffalo guy. Um,
Speaker 1: but that is you know, he he was phenomenal. He's
Speaker 1: just a good dude, and I think people really uh
Speaker 1: related to him, and so there there were definitely people
Speaker 1: along the way that I had opinions just like you did. Eileen.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for calling in. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I love doing this. This is what it's all about, Eileen.
Speaker 1: Thank you for watching since the beginning. My gosh, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. You know, thanks Eileen. You know what's funny
Speaker 1: is people that will come up to me or or
Speaker 1: direct message, and I've gotten a lot of these this
Speaker 1: week of I've been watching you since I was, you know,
Speaker 1: a kid, My mom and I would watch or I've
Speaker 1: been watching since i was ten, or I've been watching
Speaker 1: since i was twenty years old. And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: love that, and man, that makes me feel a little
Speaker 1: aged older. I'm like he was like, oh my, you know,
Speaker 1: but I do love those stories because this show connected people.
Speaker 1: What I did and what I was a part of
Speaker 1: connected people. You watched with your mom, you watched with
Speaker 1: your dad. It was the only thing maybe you talked about,
Speaker 1: and if nothing else, I love that. Hey, Chris, this
Speaker 1: is Lisa. Hey Lisa. How's it going today? Um? Going? Wow? Good?
Speaker 1: Sitting in this rain, it's kind of cozy inside. You
Speaker 1: must be West Coast, California, California store. Yes, Um, So
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? What are your questions? So I
Speaker 1: am curious. I'm just I'm wondering how it all felt when, um,
Speaker 1: everything went down, because it felt like your career could
Speaker 1: be over and it was so public, um, and you
Speaker 1: are such a pro with such amazing talent, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure it wasn't easy achieving what you did and getting
Speaker 1: to where you were, And I'm just wondering if you
Speaker 1: can talk about, um, what it was like when it
Speaker 1: all happened, and how it felt, and like specifically how
Speaker 1: you poked and how you actually moved forward, um, because
Speaker 1: like it just felt like such a blow that you know,
Speaker 1: many of us experienced stuff like that, but not really Well,
Speaker 1: good question, Lisa. Thanks, I it didn't feel good. Um.
Speaker 1: But career wise, you know, it was interesting. When I
Speaker 1: was in the middle of it, I never worried about
Speaker 1: my job and I knew maybe it was on the line,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't worried about my job. But later when
Speaker 1: everything kind of settled, when the dust settled, I definitely had,
Speaker 1: you know, those thoughts when I was lying awake at
Speaker 1: night thinking huh, what's next and figuring out what that
Speaker 1: was going to be. I gave myself and I used
Speaker 1: this word a lot, but I gave myself a little
Speaker 1: grace and I had to just Lauren will love this
Speaker 1: because I'm going to use a sports term. I called
Speaker 1: a time out um and did a little long commercial
Speaker 1: break to take stock of my life. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what gave me the pause or the ability to
Speaker 1: do this, but I was able to kind of step
Speaker 1: back and say, look, and this reminds me of a relationship,
Speaker 1: and maybe it helped. Thankfully, I went through a crazy
Speaker 1: divorce of don't just jump into something, and I've been
Speaker 1: offered things. I've you know, people immediately started kind of
Speaker 1: pitching me ideas and um, and I love that and
Speaker 1: I appreciated that, but I don't know it just felt
Speaker 1: like maybe I shouldn't get married again so soon. Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't need to be dating right away. And and
Speaker 1: I mean that in a professional sense of I need
Speaker 1: to stop for a second, step away, spend some time
Speaker 1: fall in love with the woman that that I was
Speaker 1: falling in love with, spend some time with my kids,
Speaker 1: get them through senior year of high school into college.
Speaker 1: And I just felt like there would be time for this,
Speaker 1: There would be time for me later, and I would
Speaker 1: get back to it. So I just I don't know
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, but I guess what I thought was,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to put a pen in this for now,
Speaker 1: um and let it come about naturally. And it's what
Speaker 1: I did after my divorce and it worked, and so
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe I'll just apply this here, um and
Speaker 1: and so far, knock on wood, So good, right, Kelsy,
Speaker 1: I mean, we're in love, right, This is good, it's working, okay, good,
Speaker 1: But no, it's very thoughtful, because Lisa, I think it's
Speaker 1: it's if I'm being honest, I had those moments. Of course,
Speaker 1: I had those moments when I thought to myself, I'm
Speaker 1: only fifty, I'm not done. You know. I love what
Speaker 1: I do I love creating, I love producing, I love hosting.
Speaker 1: UM So I'm not done, but I need to be
Speaker 1: done for the moment. I need to just take take
Speaker 1: a moment here that's super interesting, Like, do you feel
Speaker 1: like it? In some ways it sounds like there was
Speaker 1: a gift there in getting to spend time with your family,
Speaker 1: more time than you would have my gosh, but do
Speaker 1: you feel like it changed you as a person, Like
Speaker 1: as a person or as a professional, like any of it.
Speaker 1: There's no way you come out of this unscathed and unchanged.
Speaker 1: There's no way you have to grow. Um, it's just impossible.
Speaker 1: We've we I say we because Lauren has been with
Speaker 1: me every step of the way. We've definitely changed and
Speaker 1: grown together. UM. I said this in an earlier episode
Speaker 1: where you're as you get older, your circle gets smaller,
Speaker 1: anyway gets tighter. Um. T J. Holmes and Amy Roebeck
Speaker 1: are about to go through this. People you think are
Speaker 1: your friends, people you think are going to stand beside you, don't. UM.
Speaker 1: Co workers, people you work with, people you work for.
Speaker 1: You will be surprised, good and bad, um by how
Speaker 1: people react. And so yeah, your your circle changes, your
Speaker 1: perspective changes. Luckily, I always had a good head on
Speaker 1: my shoulders. I have been blessed with an amazing family. UM.
Speaker 1: And I know people get a little weary and wheezy
Speaker 1: easy about this when I mentioned faith, But I'm strong
Speaker 1: in my faith. And so those were the things I
Speaker 1: knew were important. And I preached this to my kids,
Speaker 1: and you got to live it if you're going to
Speaker 1: preach it, and that is remember what's important, Remember who's important.
Speaker 1: And I never defined myself by my career, and so
Speaker 1: when that was taken away, when that was stripped away,
Speaker 1: I was okay. I found solace and I found strength
Speaker 1: and what I always found strength then. And I think
Speaker 1: to your question, if I had lost what I found
Speaker 1: strength and pride in my family, that would have been
Speaker 1: what's gutting. But I always had that and so I
Speaker 1: was always able to wake up every day and just
Speaker 1: keep moving forward. I love that. So important and such
Speaker 1: good advice. UM, So important and important to remember to
Speaker 1: prioritize that stuff always. Um. Can I ask one more question?
Speaker 1: You bet? One more Lisa? Okay, UM, So do you
Speaker 1: feel like you have to be overly censored now after
Speaker 1: what happened? Like, do you feel like you're going to
Speaker 1: be canceled again, and like specifically, like it just feels
Speaker 1: like such a fine line between making sure that everyone
Speaker 1: in our society feels valued and included, which I do
Speaker 1: think is really important. Um, but also with censorship, which
Speaker 1: I mean I personally feel it's not a good thing. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, people may disagree. Um, people do disagree, right, Um,
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's such a balance between the
Speaker 1: two because, particularly in the media, I just don't think
Speaker 1: censorship is a good thing. I think we need to
Speaker 1: know stuff and here stuff. So yeah, So just wondering like,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you approach that now, or
Speaker 1: how do you think through that or think about it?
Speaker 1: That's such a good question. I was, as you were
Speaker 1: asking your other question and about how Chris has changed,
Speaker 1: I was going to challenge him a little bit and say,
Speaker 1: but don't you think you've changed on that? Actually? I
Speaker 1: mean I feel I've changed. I have definitely gotten more. Um,
Speaker 1: I've shut down out a little bit as a person.
Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to push myself back to the open, fun,
Speaker 1: silly person and that side of myself that I used
Speaker 1: to be. I find myself so cautious. I find myself
Speaker 1: you know, I think the hardest part about all this
Speaker 1: for us is probably that you start to question your gut.
Speaker 1: Um we you know, everybody says trust your gut, but
Speaker 1: when you are trying to be open and then you're
Speaker 1: you find yourself in being told to be quiet and everything. Um,
Speaker 1: it's hard. And I have to say that it's so
Speaker 1: important to remember that so many marginalized communities have felt
Speaker 1: this way for such a long time. And so I
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, as a woman, we felt
Speaker 1: that it's all it's all these things to remember that
Speaker 1: people can feel hurt and in pain, and that we
Speaker 1: have to remember to try to be as sensitive as
Speaker 1: we can. Um. So I but I have found myself.
Speaker 1: Yet you on the one hand, you want to be
Speaker 1: careful and then on the their hand, you have to
Speaker 1: remind yourself like be who you are and hopefully say
Speaker 1: what you think without hurting anyone, and hopefully say what
Speaker 1: you think without getting shut down it. But it's a
Speaker 1: really hard to do. Well, it's a tough line to walk, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, doing this podcast. This is episode three. I
Speaker 1: was scared to death those first two episodes. I was
Speaker 1: very careful and I've always been careful about how I speak.
Speaker 1: I I try to always think. And that's why, honestly,
Speaker 1: going back to that interview, why it was just such
Speaker 1: a bizarre moment, even for me looking back, because I'm
Speaker 1: usually so much more thoughtful and careful about how I
Speaker 1: speak in people's feelings and how my words will be taken.
Speaker 1: But now, even more than than ever, I care and
Speaker 1: I also worry about it, you know, because and I
Speaker 1: realized there's there's this is a double edged sword, and
Speaker 1: two sides of this, and this might seem contradictory, but
Speaker 1: it's not. I I'm careful. I want to be marked,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I want to be open
Speaker 1: and honest with you, and I know that that's going
Speaker 1: to ruffle feathers. I know that I can't please everybody,
Speaker 1: and so you can't go through life walking on eggshells
Speaker 1: hoping everybody's going to be happy with me. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: please everybody. Luckily, I got over that a long time ago,
Speaker 1: because you can't live this life. I've lived in the
Speaker 1: public eye for so long and not take shots. You know,
Speaker 1: people will come at you for for all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: Luckily I have a thick skin. But it's different now.
Speaker 1: And it's different for me now because of what I've
Speaker 1: gone through. And can I be canceled again? Probably? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I you know, I'm sure, I'm sure I
Speaker 1: could go somewhere, you know, and and make that happen.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's a delicate tightrope and it
Speaker 1: always has been, but I think now more than ever.
Speaker 1: And Lisa, thank you so much for the thoughtful questions.
Speaker 1: These questions have been amazing today. Well, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for your answers. And I'm so glad you're back, So
Speaker 1: glad you're doing this podcast. I can't wait to keep
Speaker 1: hearing it. Lisa, thank you so much. I love this.
Speaker 1: I love taking these phone calls. I love hearing from you.
Speaker 1: Um getting a chance to talk to you dramination. Hi Chris,
Speaker 1: this is Sam. Hey Sam, how you doing. I'm good?
Speaker 1: How are you excellent? Thank you? Beautiful day? Good. Yes, UM,
Speaker 1: I have a first I have a few questions, but UM,
Speaker 1: I first wanted to ask you, you know, after everything happened,
Speaker 1: did you ever have like a big breakdown moment, like
Speaker 1: you know, crying on your hands and knees, or like
Speaker 1: crying in your bed. I imagine that must have been
Speaker 1: very hard after everything happened. Yeah, yeah, Um. There were
Speaker 1: all kinds of moments. Um. There was one in particular.
Speaker 1: I remember Lauren sitting here. I had just gotten off
Speaker 1: I had so many phone calls and and things would
Speaker 1: just go on for all day, and by the end
Speaker 1: of the day I was usually just like wrung out.
Speaker 1: I was done, so was so was l z. Um.
Speaker 1: But I remember something in particular happened, and I don't
Speaker 1: even recall exactly what it was, not that I could
Speaker 1: probably tell you, but um, and that doesn't matter. I
Speaker 1: walked into the kitchen and and Lauren was there, and
Speaker 1: I just looked at her and I was I was done.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily know if I fell fell to
Speaker 1: my knees or anything that dramatic, but I just I
Speaker 1: just remember that specific moment where I think we both
Speaker 1: cried a little bit because it meant so much to us.
Speaker 1: But there were there were many moments like that, UM,
Speaker 1: where he felt a little overwhelmed and and and again
Speaker 1: to go back to t J. Holmes and Amy Roeback, Um,
Speaker 1: in all seriousness with them at g m A and
Speaker 1: what they're going through right now, I know that feeling
Speaker 1: of the world feels like it's against you. When you're
Speaker 1: facing such a big foe and it's coming from all
Speaker 1: sides and you're trying to figure out what's best for everybody,
Speaker 1: it's really difficult. And so that's why you know, my
Speaker 1: heart goes out to them, um, no matter what the
Speaker 1: facts are behind the scenes, UM, because I just got it.
Speaker 1: That part was triggering, because yeah, I just even now,
Speaker 1: I feel it in my gut. I know the moment
Speaker 1: where I felt the worst about everything, which was sorry,
Speaker 1: who's the caller? I'm so sorry? Sam? I am I
Speaker 1: get I don't know. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: Sam just took us into therapy and I'm gonna lay
Speaker 1: down on the couch right now, Sam, Sam, that was
Speaker 1: That's such a good question. I would have asked, and
Speaker 1: I did have asked in a million interviews. What was
Speaker 1: the moment you knew it was over? What was the
Speaker 1: moment you knew you were done? When? When did you
Speaker 1: break down? Um? By the way, there were many times
Speaker 1: where I don't know how Chris didn't break down more.
Speaker 1: I yelled at him a lot. I was very UM.
Speaker 1: I tried. There were moments where I tried to be
Speaker 1: strong and then there were moments where I would lose it. Um,
Speaker 1: but I the moment that is maybe the most painful
Speaker 1: for me actually to look back on, was the night
Speaker 1: before you did the g M A interview. You were
Speaker 1: sitting in bed, and I just remember feeling like, um, sorry,
Speaker 1: It's funny how quickly I still cry. Um, Like you
Speaker 1: weren't yourself. You were sitting there and like trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, be so prepared for this because you wanted
Speaker 1: to do right by everybody in that interview, and I
Speaker 1: remember you're saying something like, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to follow my gut anymore here, and you were not.
Speaker 1: You just weren't yourself to me, and I had a
Speaker 1: bad feeling that I just felt like he's in such
Speaker 1: a dark, confused place that he doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: answer from. He doesn't know how to operate, you know,
Speaker 1: as himself anymore. And gosh, it was it's very scary
Speaker 1: when you get to that place. That was the toughest moment,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know how to get you back. So Sam,
Speaker 1: thanks for taking any gosh, I don't mean to depress you, Sam,
Speaker 1: any other questions. No, thank you so much for sharing
Speaker 1: that and actually Lauren, I'm glad you're there too, because, Um,
Speaker 1: I actually had a question for you because I was wondering, like,
Speaker 1: did anyone ever tell you that you should break up
Speaker 1: with Chris during any of this? Like that must have
Speaker 1: been a weird spot good question you put in. So
Speaker 1: I was just wondering what happened, uh during that time too,
Speaker 1: and if anyone ever said anything to you like that, Sam,
Speaker 1: Yes they did. Um. Yes, I got d M s
Speaker 1: from people telling me to break up with Chris. Um.
Speaker 1: I got d M s from people telling me how
Speaker 1: could I stay with Chris. Um. I had people in
Speaker 1: the industry telling me that I should protect myself and
Speaker 1: that from my career I should break up with Chris. Um.
Speaker 1: So yes, And I guess to take it to I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe to expand and say the reason I didn't do that,
Speaker 1: um was because, like I said, Chris, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: divorced too, and to me, everybody is going to make mistakes.
Speaker 1: I said this last week, It's all about how you
Speaker 1: respond from those mistakes. UM. I did not break up
Speaker 1: with Chris. That was never even on my mind because
Speaker 1: right away Chris knew he had been imperfect, knew he
Speaker 1: had made a mistake, knew that he'd hurt people, and
Speaker 1: he was so sorry for hurting people. Um, and he
Speaker 1: right away was thinking about how to make that better,
Speaker 1: how to do right by everybody, how to fix everything. So,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I had seen who Chris really was
Speaker 1: in a million moments other than that interview, and I
Speaker 1: saw the capability of his heart and who he could
Speaker 1: be in a million moments after that interview and since
Speaker 1: so breaking up with Chris was never an option for me, because,
Speaker 1: thank goodness, I know who he is, and he saw
Speaker 1: and he showed me who he was even more. Thanks Sam,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you two are still together and
Speaker 1: that you have come out on the other side of this.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad to hear that me too. And Sam,
Speaker 1: thank you for thank you for your thoughtful questions and
Speaker 1: and just thank you for listening to the podcast. I
Speaker 1: hope it is what you wanted to be, and I
Speaker 1: hope it turns into more of what you want. I
Speaker 1: truly appreciate it. I'm very grateful me too. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I love the show and keep on doing
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Thanks Sam, Thank you. Wow, what an
Speaker 1: incredible day this has been. What an amazing episode. I
Speaker 1: want to thank everybody who called in. I want to
Speaker 1: thank everybody for their questions. This has been overwhelming for
Speaker 1: Elz and I. This has been incredible and I just
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful and truly appreciative and I of this.
Speaker 1: I love it. This is this is what I want
Speaker 1: to show, not just talking about like what's happened, but
Speaker 1: this is what I want to show to be about
Speaker 1: where we start getting into stuff, relationships and I. It's
Speaker 1: something we all relate to, right. We all have relationships,
Speaker 1: we all get in them, we all get out of them.
Speaker 1: We all have a great breakup story, a great love story.
Speaker 1: So this is what I want to dive into. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking so forward to this. So thank you Dramination.
Speaker 1: I look forward to so much more and if you
Speaker 1: will indulge me, there is one more thing I want
Speaker 1: to talk about today, and this is on a very
Speaker 1: personal note. And no matter who you are, you can
Speaker 1: say you are a self made man or woman. None
Speaker 1: of us are self made. We all have teachers, mentors,
Speaker 1: just people in our lives that have given us a
Speaker 1: leg up, people that have been there, people that got
Speaker 1: us from here to there, whatever that moment was, and
Speaker 1: I have many people like that in my life, but
Speaker 1: I just lost one last week. His name was Brian Harvey.
Speaker 1: He was my college soccer coach. For those of you
Speaker 1: some know me that I love the game of soccer
Speaker 1: and it was my life for a big part of
Speaker 1: my childhood and into adulthood. And I played four years
Speaker 1: of soccer at Oklahoma City University. The reason I did
Speaker 1: so was because of this man, Brian Harvey, who found
Speaker 1: me my senior year of high school and recruited me
Speaker 1: and took me to o s U where I played
Speaker 1: for him. But he was so much more than than
Speaker 1: just a coach, um as all mentors, leaders and great
Speaker 1: coaches are. He affected my life permanently. He took a young, cocky,
Speaker 1: arrogant eighteen year old soccer player that didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of direction and gave him focus, Um, gave him meaning.
Speaker 1: He's He's partially the reason that I got into media
Speaker 1: and got into sportscasting and and found this avenue in
Speaker 1: my life. And he changed. Brian. For those obviously you
Speaker 1: don't know, but Brian did more for soccer in Oklahoma
Speaker 1: than any human being ever will. He coached for thirty
Speaker 1: five years he was an absolute legend in soccer and
Speaker 1: especially at OCU. He touched the lives of thousands of
Speaker 1: young men and women, whether he coached them at his
Speaker 1: club at Ocu, where he coached both the men and
Speaker 1: the women, he did youth camps. He touched the lives
Speaker 1: of so many of us, and we are all so grateful.
Speaker 1: And to Judy and Nicole, his wife and daughter who
Speaker 1: um shared him with us, we are so grateful and
Speaker 1: sorry and on such a down note, but there are
Speaker 1: people in our lives who are so important and never
Speaker 1: get a shout out. And and for all the Brian
Speaker 1: Harvey's out there, I just want to say thank you
Speaker 1: and Harve. This one's dedicated to you. I'll miss you
Speaker 1: and I love you, and I'll talk to you all
Speaker 1: next week. Thank you for being here, because we have
Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow
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Speaker 1: five stars. I'll talk to you next time.