1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever, and I heart 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison. What an unbelievable week it's been. What a moving, 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: emotional week it has been, and it's all because of you, guys. 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: I was a little bit scared two do this podcast, 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: jump into this endeavor and be so honest and vulnerable 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: with you, and you have embraced and been so spectacular, 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: and you've taken the podcast to number one in its 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: first week, and I just wanted to say thank you. 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: We are humbled. I say we because Elsie is sitting 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: right next to me, and we are just so humbled, 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: so grateful. We love you guys so very much, and 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: it has made me so enthusiastic about jumping into this 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: week and conte enuing on with this project. And here's 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: where I want to start today. The headlines. The first 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: headline that immediately came after the show aired, Chris Harrison 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: shades Nick Vial, and then right after that, Nick Vale 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: shades Chris Harrison. Let me clear this up very quickly. 19 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: Nick is a friend of mine. Nick was very supportive 20 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: of me when I was going through all this. He 21 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: defended my character. I've been on his podcast. We talked 22 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: from time to time. As he said, we're not besties. 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: We don't hang out every day, we don't barbecue all 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: the time. But I consider him a friend. And he 25 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: did defend me, and he allowed people to come on 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: his show and defend me, and for that, I'm very 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: grateful and I appreciate it. And there was no shade 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: being thrown at Nick. And then a couple of days later, 29 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: I realized why Nick was so sensitive to that moment 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: and didn't want this kind of press. He got engaged. 31 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: He got down on one knee and proposed to Natalie, 32 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: and he got engaged. And I first and foremost want 33 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: to say congratulations. I'm so happy for them. I talked 34 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: to Nick and then we FaceTime to actually after the engagement. 35 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: I saw the beautiful ring on Natalie's finger. It is stunning, 36 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: by the way, nice work, and Lauren and I send 37 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: our love. We are so happy for them. We can't 38 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: wait to hear about wedding plans and all the great 39 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: things to come. Um. But yeah, I see the timing 40 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: of last week and those headlines not great. Sorry, pal, 41 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: that was kind of crappy. Um. The other headline, I 42 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: have to talk about the saga and Good Morning America 43 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: with Amy Robock and t J Holmes. I have a 44 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: lot of strong opinions about this. This is personal. A 45 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: report came out that Amy and t J had been 46 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: let go and that they have lawyered up. And to that, 47 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: I say, good for you, guys, good for you for 48 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: those of you to catch up. They had been I 49 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: guess suspended, taken off the air from g M A 50 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: three where they were co hosting, and they've they've had 51 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: this affair, and man, do I have strong feelings about this, 52 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: first of all, very uh sympathetic and empathetic, understanding really 53 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: what they're going through. And I'm not talking about morally, 54 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: say what you will about how this has all happened 55 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: and their affairs and how they've handled this. I will 56 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: say this, none of us know. You don't know what's 57 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: happening in anyone's house. You don't know. And this is 58 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: not to excuse anything, but we have no idea. You 59 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on in your neighbor's house 60 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: right now, even if you see them every day, you 61 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: don't know. And it is this irony is not lost 62 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: on me that they are going through the exact same thing. 63 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: And then the headlines come out that they have both 64 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: lawyered up and they are both fighting this, And to that, 65 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: I say, good on you, good on you. You guys go, 66 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: I've been in this business for a long time. You 67 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: sign these contracts. There are morality clauses in there. Is 68 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: it morally reprehensible to fall in love? Because that's what 69 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: they've done. That is the crime that they are being 70 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: punished for, is falling in love? And is it morally reprehensible? 71 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: Is it against the law to fall in love with 72 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: someone at work that is equal to you? They're on 73 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: level footing, they were co hosts. Is it illegal or 74 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: wrong to fall in love with someone equal to you 75 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: and to follow those feelings? And if everybody knew about 76 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: this s which you know all the sources from inside 77 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: are saying. And by the way I've worked in newsrooms, 78 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: there are no secrets that this was the worst kept 79 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: secret at g m A. Everybody knew about it. The 80 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: co host knew about it. And for them now to 81 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: get on this moral hi box and say, well, we 82 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: just found out about this, you know, we we we 83 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: have to take a stand morally you knew about this, 84 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: and now you're taking a stand because well maybe you 85 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: don't feel like it looks good publicly. That's totally different. 86 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: So t J and Amy, good on, you fight the 87 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: good fight. I was going to suggest, by the way, 88 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: I have an amazing lawyer if you guys need um, 89 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: and he kind of knows the opponent. So let me 90 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: know if you need anything. I'm Amy and t J. 91 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm here for you. Um. And again, this isn't to 92 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: say what's happened in their own houses, what happened in 93 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: their own bedrooms. I don't know. You know. I can 94 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: read the tabloids like you, but they don't know either. 95 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: It's all speculation. Um. And I know the feeling of 96 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: being at work on a Monday and then on Tuesday 97 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: you're being pulled off the air and you are being ostracized, 98 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: backs are being turned by your co host, by your 99 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: co workers. Your whole life has changed. Their whole life. 100 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: Think of a snow globe. Their whole life is a 101 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: snow globe that just got picked up and shaken. And 102 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: again I'm not defending anything because I don't know the 103 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: facts behind everything. This is just my my gut, my emotions, 104 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: after what I have been through and knowing, man, this 105 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: this there's a lot of similarities to this. UM And 106 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with l Z and I have to 107 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: bring her in on this because we went through this together. 108 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: I feel for them so much because of some of 109 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: the stuff I've read. And look, we talked about how 110 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: you can't always believe what sources say. But when I 111 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: was re ng some of the reports I saw actually 112 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: one day before the news came out that they were 113 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: let go. They were let go on Friday, and I 114 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: believe on Thursday there was a report that said, um, 115 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: Amy and t J are expecting this to, you know, 116 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: be just fine. They think that things are going to 117 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: cool down and there's no grounds to fire them on 118 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: and they won't be fired. A source was saying, And 119 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: I have to say that sounded very familiar to me. 120 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: All that that, uh, you know, you're being told, oh 121 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: think you know, let's things are cool, don't worry UM 122 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: And Look, I just feel for them on that. Like 123 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: you were saying, they're in a relationship. I don't think 124 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 1: they did anything wrong work wise, right, It doesn't seem 125 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: like they did to me. They're being let go. In 126 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: my opinion because of just how things look and so 127 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: the fact that they've lawyered up, yeah, good for them. 128 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: So here's my show idea. I'm gonna throw you a pitch, 129 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: and you know, just to show that I'm a good guy, 130 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna save Good Morning America. And this is a 131 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: one time offer for ABC and g m A. I 132 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: will come back for one day and I will host 133 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: Good Morning America and I will do a sit down 134 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: with Amy and t J. This is what they should 135 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: have done from the start, but I'm here to save 136 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: the day. You're welcome. I will host a tell all, 137 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: we'll sit down, We'll hash all this out with Amy 138 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: and t J. If you tell me, that wouldn't get 139 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: the biggest ratings in the history of g m A. 140 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: That would be a massive show, a sit down where 141 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: we hash all this out. But that's my pitch. Would 142 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: would you let t J and Amy ask you questions 143 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: as well? It would be a forum, obviously I would. 144 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: I would want to talk more about them, but yeah, 145 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: I would. It would be a given a take and 146 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: I think it would be spectacular. I saw a comment 147 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: the other day from Lisa Renna, who just left her 148 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She said on an Instagram 149 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: messy equals ratings, and there has never been a more clear, 150 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: simple and dead on way of putting it. Well, here's 151 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: the thing, in all seriousness at ABC News, lean into it. 152 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: Whether it's Lisa Renna's point to the messy, lean into 153 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: the story instead of running and hiding and then speculation 154 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: and you leave, you leave a vacuum. I remember reading 155 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: there was some I'm going to forget the outlet, but 156 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: this article about how brands are now brands and companies 157 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: make their decisions based on social media feedback now right. 158 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: And on the one hand, that can be a great thing. 159 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: It can be a great way to access your audience. 160 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: I think it was awesome on The Bachelor in many ways. 161 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I do think companies are 162 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: making decisions about people's lives and careers based on a 163 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: couple of voices on Twitter, and Twitter is not representative 164 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: of how the general public feels. The numbers aren't even 165 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: there to support that, not even close. It is a 166 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: minute percentage of people who are on Twitter, and what 167 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: happens is two or three tweets get pulled for a 168 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: clickbait headline. For an outlet, and then everything feels bigger 169 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: than it is, or one opinion feels bigger than it is, 170 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: and companies get scared. So Amy and t J. I 171 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: feel for you, guys. I very much sympathize with what 172 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: you're going through, and I can only imagine how your 173 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: world has been turned upside down. Um it's it. I 174 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: feel a little gutted again just just seeing those headlines. 175 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: And just because I know you. You guys, you two 176 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: are up against one of the biggest companies in the world, 177 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: and and I'm glad you have each other. I hope 178 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: you still have each other. I hope they're working as 179 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: a team on us. But legally this is going to 180 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: be fascinating as well, because you remember it was Amy 181 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: Roeback who had the nuts on the Epstein story. Remember 182 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: when that Remember when the leaked tape got out. So 183 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: Amy Roeback got caught on that hot Mike moment where 184 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: she said, we had Epstein dead to rights, we had 185 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: all of this, and then man did that story just disappear? 186 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: And man did Amy just disappear quickly after that? Meaning 187 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: she was saying that she had the story and Epstein 188 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: and she said something like they wouldn't let her do 189 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: the story. And remember she got she got silenced. So 190 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: they've lawyered up. And this is going to be nasty. 191 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: It'll probably be pretty quiet. It'll be for the most 192 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: part out of the public eye. I'm sure things will 193 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: be leaked. I'm sorry, sources will say. Um. And so 194 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: this will be a very fascinating story. Worry to follow, 195 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: and I will be following with my heart. Um. And again, 196 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: make no bones about it. I'll tell you which side 197 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm on. I'll take David every time. Watch out for 198 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: the slingshot Goliath. Okay, So with those headlines out of 199 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: the way, I also want this week, in this episode 200 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: to be hearing from you, um, all of the fans, 201 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: the listeners and getting your takes. And so I see 202 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: and I'm guys, I'm new at this, so give me 203 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: a break. But I see we have a collar on 204 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: the line. So I hope I don't screw this up. 205 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: I hope I don't hang up on this person. Uh 206 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: who's with me? And Uh? What's on your mind? Who's 207 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: on the line? Hi, my name is Missy. Hey missy, 208 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: how are you doing crazy crazy times right now? Yeah? 209 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: What is what's your question or what's your comment. I 210 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: have a lot of questions for you. Oh gosh, okay, Um, well, first, 211 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm a reality show junkie. I will admit I haven't 212 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: seen the last couple of seasons of the Bachelor, but 213 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: I do still watch Bachelor in Paradise and I recently 214 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: got into Love Is Blind, which has been huge. Have 215 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: you watched that? You know? I watched a little bit 216 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: of it. I always watch a little bit of everything 217 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: just to see what's in the marketplace and like who's 218 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: hosting and how they're doing it and how it's different. Um, 219 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: so yes, I have watched it. I'm not a devout fan, right, Okay, 220 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: I'm a new fan. I just finished season three, went 221 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: back to season one, and I'm going to season two. 222 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: But I mean, I guess you don't watch it too much. 223 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: But I just wanted your thoughts because it seems like 224 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: there's actually more successful couples that last coming out of 225 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: that show than the Bachelor. Interesting. Um, and I don't 226 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: know why that is or but well, first of all, 227 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: they have a very short track record. What have they 228 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: had three or four seasons, but they've got like six 229 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: couples in each season. So the odds are probably right. Well, 230 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: and you mentioned you mentioned something interesting about Paradise. Um. 231 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: You know, obviously the backs for backs arette you have 232 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: one shot at making one relationship work, and that's a 233 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: very difficult thing as opposed to on Paradise we have 234 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: what you know, five six, seven, eight different men and women. 235 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: Of course, the percentages, yeah, the percentages are higher for sure, 236 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: and that you know, that's that's an interesting concept when 237 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: you start talking about what kind of show you're gonna produce, 238 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, are you going to give one person a chance? 239 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: And it's it's a it's a real lightning in a 240 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: bottle moment to make something like that work, to just 241 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: have one person find love because there's so many variables. 242 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: So you know, I like those concepts like a love 243 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: is blind and like some of these other shows that 244 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: have come to the forefront and really taken over as 245 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: far as social relevance goes. Do you think, Missy, I'm 246 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: can I pipe in with a follow up question because 247 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm so interested in this path you've taken us on 248 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: high Missy, do you think though that that you just 249 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: said on Bachelor Bachelorette it's one relationship? Do you also 250 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: think part of the reason the Paradise couples were more 251 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: successful is because the pressure level was different on those 252 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: couples versus the bachelor and the bachelorette had so much 253 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: to answer to from everybody. You're right, there is definitely 254 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: something to that having been in that an environment, that arena, 255 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: there is a lot of pressure on being the one 256 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: person as opposed to you can fly under the radar. 257 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when Jaden Tanner came in and 258 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: they just kind of disappeared and had their own little 259 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: love story going and we just kind of followed along. 260 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: So there definitely is a difference in in the pressure 261 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: of all that. Missy, what else you got? How hard 262 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: is it actually in paradise because these people all look 263 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: like they're sweating all the time, and how do they 264 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: sleep in that? And it's not, by the way, it's 265 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: not just paradise. Um. You know, you have these locations. 266 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: South Africa comes to mind, Bora, Bora, and they're beautiful, 267 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: they're exotic. Thailand, oh my gosh. You know, humid it 268 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: gets you don't even you don't know if the heat 269 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: is coming from above or below. You're just sweating out 270 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: of places you didn't even know you had um. It 271 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: is remarkably difficult, not not just for the cast, and 272 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: it is hard to let me bring back something else. Also, 273 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: when we're in Paradise, there is a time when the 274 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: crabs are born and hatched and then migrate, and that 275 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: typically happens while we're shooting. So in the middle of 276 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: this you have the crabs and I'm talking hundreds and 277 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: thousands walking through the set over you onto the beach 278 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: to go be free, and it's like, so the things 279 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: you deal with are really bizarre. And yes, the the heat, 280 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: the sweat, and then, by the way, then you're in 281 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: Iceland and you're freezing to death, So those those elements 282 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: always come into play as well. I actually once started 283 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: compiling and I never in it, so I give this 284 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: to another journalist out there. Someone should do it. I 285 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: started compiling a list of products from past Paradise sylams 286 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: that they used that like worked well against sweat on 287 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: the beach, like the best foundation, the best hair stuff. 288 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: So somebody should do that. From the cast, I can 289 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: tell you from experience. You go past blotting and talcum 290 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: powder and bass and you go to a towel. Are 291 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: you ross in the with the leather pants. You know, 292 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: I was ross exactly. There's not enough talcum powder in 293 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: the world you'd use. You know, my makeup artist at 294 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: some point just gives up and she's like, here's a 295 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: towel because it looks like a bucket was thrown on you. Um, Missy, 296 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: thanks for taking me down memory lane there. Did you 297 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: have anything else? I guess I do have one question obviously. 298 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: You know there's a lot online about like your exit 299 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: with where you fired, like what actually happened? Oh, miss 300 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: you with the big question at the end. I love it, Missy. 301 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: Are you a journalist? Absolutely not. Um, you know what, 302 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: I'll jump in, Missy, I'm so glad you asked that 303 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: because I see that a lot too, and it's a 304 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: bit I get a little defensive when I see people 305 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: saying he was fired, um, which I know doesn't come 306 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: from a place of malice at all. I think, you know, 307 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: people are just kind of assuming or summarizing. When we 308 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: did the podcast last week, I saw some people doing 309 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: TikTok's about it or whatever, and they're saying, so Chris 310 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: talks about when he was fired, and I don't I 311 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: don't think it's malicious at all. But I would say, 312 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: you know what, No, I'll say it. Chris was not fired. 313 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: Chris was not fired. And um, I don't think I 314 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: won't say any more than that, Missy. If it were 315 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: a relationship, it would be complicated. Hey, thank you so 316 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: much for calling in. I love hearing from you. Um, 317 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: and I hopefully will talk to you again. Thanks Missy. 318 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: By all right, we have another caller. Hi. This is Eileen. Hey, Eileen, 319 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: how you doing. You're on with Chris and Lauren. What's 320 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: on your mind? So? First of all, I'm a super fan. 321 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: I've been watching since day one, since Alex Michelle. Thank 322 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: you that. Wow, you just dated yourself. Alex Michelle was 323 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: the first Bachelor babe like the I know you know 324 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: it's funny. People don't sorry to cut you off only 325 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: but people don't remember because he was. It really wasn't 326 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: the most popular season as far as ratings go, but 327 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: he was. He was number one. It was the spring 328 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: of two thousand two. It was Alex Michelle out of Dallas, Texas. 329 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: Come on, Eileen with the trivia. I love it. Now. 330 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: Do you do you know where he is today? Do 331 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: you keep in touch with him? You know, of all 332 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: the people I have lost touch with it's Alex Michelle. 333 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: I have heard vicious rumors because we tried to track 334 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: him down while we were doing the greatest you know 335 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: episodes ever whatever it was. I was shooting during the 336 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: pandemic in my house and we tried to track him down. 337 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: Someone let me know they saw him in New York 338 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: City and they saw him actually at the train station. 339 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: I think he was walking across Grand Central Station. And 340 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: then this sounds real. This sounds like I think this 341 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: is real. I really, this is uh, this is like 342 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. Still I'm true. No, I think no. I 343 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: think I've heard he was in New York City. I 344 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: heard he's doing good, But no, I've lost touch with him. 345 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm so curious to know, what do you think of 346 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: the whole Bachelor Nation craze? Like it's did you did 347 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: you coin that? Like it's it's insane, like how famous 348 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: and just the whole even from Dancing with the Star 349 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: as these people win, like I mean a dance like 350 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: it's just insane. What what you started? Actually a great question. 351 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: I did coin that phrase. I was actually the first 352 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: person to use Bachelor Nation. But to me, it's gotten 353 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: kind of convoluted. Not that I'm you know, take so 354 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: much pride that I upsets me. But no, I I 355 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: take pride in the fact I created the Bachelor Nation 356 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: phrase and started using it. But I thought of that 357 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: as you, you the listener, you the viewer. I meant 358 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: it for all of you that I connected with each 359 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: and every week that watched and loved the show and 360 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: held it so dear. The people that were on the 361 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: show were my bachelor family. That's how I referred to them. 362 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: And you know, it's this is silly to even get 363 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: this deep into the weeds on this, but that's how 364 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: I felt. Bachelor Nation was you, and I always thought 365 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: that that was sacred. And then some people started saying, oh, 366 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, and that's everybody on the show and off, 367 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: and so that was my bachelor family. You or my bad. 368 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: You were my Bachelor Nation, and now you're my drama 369 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: Nation with the most dramatic podcast ever. You have a 370 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: few more questions, if you have time, How did you 371 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: like originally get the gig? Oh my gosh, Eileen, we're 372 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: really going to we're taking deep. Um. You know what's 373 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: funny is watching for a long time. So I'm like 374 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: you know I'm a fan, thank you. I never auditioned 375 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: for the show. I never auditioned. I heard there was 376 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: a show that I was on the list for and 377 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: at the time they were looking for a kind of 378 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: an unknown guy x door who was at the time, 379 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: I was married, someone who was married. I was expecting 380 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: my first child, my son Josh, who let's date ourselves 381 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: now he's a junior in college for crying out loud. Um. 382 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: But that was it, and it was a number of 383 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: meetings that I had. I never auditioned. There was no 384 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: reading for it, as you often do in Hollywood, and 385 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: it was really odd. I mean, I don't mean this 386 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: in a negative way, but I did less to get 387 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: this job than in probably any job I've ever had 388 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: where I had to probably audition or or show something. Um. 389 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: But they saw something in me that they loved and 390 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: they didn't want a big name, and that's that was key, 391 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: because really, usually somebody wants a name to launch a show, right. 392 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: You want Jimmy Kimmel or Howard Stern or whoever Drew 393 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: Carey to come in and host uh Prices, right, because 394 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: it's a name that you can kind of sell the 395 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: show on. And this particular moment, they didn't they didn't 396 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: want that and and for some reason they tapped me 397 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: on the shoulder. Was the craziest thing a fan? Like? 398 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: What was like? Because you're I know, you're you're spotted 399 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: probably everywhere. What's the craziest thing a fan? You know 400 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: when they saw you? What they said? Wow? Um hmm. 401 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of I've had I've had, you know, 402 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: I get the I get the typical stuff of like, um, 403 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: you know Rose guy or hey, you know that? That 404 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: part I love And let me just say this, I 405 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: love it. I love it all. I love when people 406 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: come up to Lauren and I I love when they 407 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: because of the people who do come up are just 408 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: lovely people and they just want to talk and they 409 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: just want to chat. And I love meeting people. And 410 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: this is why I love this podcast and talking to you, 411 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: because it's just a chance to get to know people 412 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: and and hear them. And so I've heard, you know, 413 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: I've heard some really uncomfortable stories like I've been sitting 414 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: at an airport bar or whatever, and someone will just 415 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: be sitting next to me and all of a sudden, 416 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: this woman is telling me her sex life and telling 417 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: me all about her husband and all, and I'm like, wow, 418 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: you know this is getting deep, and so I just 419 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: I love the fact though that people feel like, well, 420 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: I know you, you're You're Chris, and I can sit 421 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: down and talk with you just like everybody else can. 422 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: And so I do love the fact sometimes it gets 423 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: a little personal, but I love that that is our relationship. 424 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: And that's what this podcast is going to be all about, 425 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: is you being able to open up to me and 426 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: let's just talk. Let's talk relationships, and sometimes it gets 427 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: really personal. Are there any like Are there any like 428 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to know? There any like Bachelor of 429 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: Bachelrettes that, like you wanted to be the Bachelor of 430 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: Bachelorette in the seasons that weren't picked, you know, necessarily 431 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: have the same names. But was there anyone that you like, 432 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: push for, like you thought would be agreed that never 433 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: got a shot. I remember you telling me you thought 434 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: Jason Tartet would have been a great bachelor, which is 435 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: so wonderful that him and Caitlin are together now. They 436 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: still found each other through the show. But I remember 437 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: you saying that you you just thought Jason had it 438 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: all and would have been a great bachelor. Well and 439 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: going back to another answer, I love Jason, uh you know, 440 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: and I love Jason and Caitlin and I'm happy for them. 441 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm they're engaged. And I um talk to Jay a 442 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: lot because we talked a lot of football stuff. Buffalo guy. Um, 443 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: but that is you know, he he was phenomenal. He's 444 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: just a good dude, and I think people really uh 445 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: related to him, and so there there were definitely people 446 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: along the way that I had opinions just like you did. Eileen. 447 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for calling in. I really appreciate it. 448 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: I love doing this. This is what it's all about, Eileen. 449 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for watching since the beginning. My gosh, thank you, 450 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: thank you. You know, thanks Eileen. You know what's funny 451 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: is people that will come up to me or or 452 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: direct message, and I've gotten a lot of these this 453 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: week of I've been watching you since I was, you know, 454 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: a kid, My mom and I would watch or I've 455 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: been watching since i was ten, or I've been watching 456 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: since i was twenty years old. And I'm like, I 457 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: love that, and man, that makes me feel a little 458 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: aged older. I'm like he was like, oh my, you know, 459 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: but I do love those stories because this show connected people. 460 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: What I did and what I was a part of 461 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: connected people. You watched with your mom, you watched with 462 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: your dad. It was the only thing maybe you talked about, 463 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: and if nothing else, I love that. Hey, Chris, this 464 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: is Lisa. Hey Lisa. How's it going today? Um? Going? Wow? Good? 465 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: Sitting in this rain, it's kind of cozy inside. You 466 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: must be West Coast, California, California store. Yes, Um, So 467 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: what's on your mind? What are your questions? So I 468 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: am curious. I'm just I'm wondering how it all felt when, um, 469 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: everything went down, because it felt like your career could 470 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: be over and it was so public, um, and you 471 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: are such a pro with such amazing talent, and I'm 472 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: sure it wasn't easy achieving what you did and getting 473 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: to where you were, And I'm just wondering if you 474 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: can talk about, um, what it was like when it 475 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: all happened, and how it felt, and like specifically how 476 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: you poked and how you actually moved forward, um, because 477 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: like it just felt like such a blow that you know, 478 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: many of us experienced stuff like that, but not really Well, 479 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: good question, Lisa. Thanks, I it didn't feel good. Um. 480 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: But career wise, you know, it was interesting. When I 481 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: was in the middle of it, I never worried about 482 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: my job and I knew maybe it was on the line, 483 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: but I wasn't worried about my job. But later when 484 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: everything kind of settled, when the dust settled, I definitely had, 485 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: you know, those thoughts when I was lying awake at 486 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: night thinking huh, what's next and figuring out what that 487 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: was going to be. I gave myself and I used 488 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: this word a lot, but I gave myself a little 489 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: grace and I had to just Lauren will love this 490 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: because I'm going to use a sports term. I called 491 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: a time out um and did a little long commercial 492 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: break to take stock of my life. And I don't 493 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: know what gave me the pause or the ability to 494 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: do this, but I was able to kind of step 495 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: back and say, look, and this reminds me of a relationship, 496 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: and maybe it helped. Thankfully, I went through a crazy 497 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: divorce of don't just jump into something, and I've been 498 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: offered things. I've you know, people immediately started kind of 499 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: pitching me ideas and um, and I love that and 500 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: I appreciated that, but I don't know it just felt 501 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: like maybe I shouldn't get married again so soon. Maybe 502 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: I don't need to be dating right away. And and 503 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: I mean that in a professional sense of I need 504 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: to stop for a second, step away, spend some time 505 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: fall in love with the woman that that I was 506 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: falling in love with, spend some time with my kids, 507 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: get them through senior year of high school into college. 508 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: And I just felt like there would be time for this, 509 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: There would be time for me later, and I would 510 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: get back to it. So I just I don't know 511 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: if that makes sense, but I guess what I thought was, 512 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm just going to put a pen in this for now, 513 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: um and let it come about naturally. And it's what 514 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: I did after my divorce and it worked, and so 515 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: I thought, maybe I'll just apply this here, um and 516 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: and so far, knock on wood, So good, right, Kelsy, 517 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: I mean, we're in love, right, This is good, it's working, okay, good, 518 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: But no, it's very thoughtful, because Lisa, I think it's 519 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: it's if I'm being honest, I had those moments. Of course, 520 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: I had those moments when I thought to myself, I'm 521 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: only fifty, I'm not done. You know. I love what 522 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: I do I love creating, I love producing, I love hosting. 523 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: UM So I'm not done, but I need to be 524 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: done for the moment. I need to just take take 525 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: a moment here that's super interesting, Like, do you feel 526 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: like it? In some ways it sounds like there was 527 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: a gift there in getting to spend time with your family, 528 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: more time than you would have my gosh, but do 529 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: you feel like it changed you as a person, Like 530 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: as a person or as a professional, like any of it. 531 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: There's no way you come out of this unscathed and unchanged. 532 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: There's no way you have to grow. Um, it's just impossible. 533 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: We've we I say we because Lauren has been with 534 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: me every step of the way. We've definitely changed and 535 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: grown together. UM. I said this in an earlier episode 536 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: where you're as you get older, your circle gets smaller, 537 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: anyway gets tighter. Um. T J. Holmes and Amy Roebeck 538 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: are about to go through this. People you think are 539 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: your friends, people you think are going to stand beside you, don't. UM. 540 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: Co workers, people you work with, people you work for. 541 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: You will be surprised, good and bad, um by how 542 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: people react. And so yeah, your your circle changes, your 543 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: perspective changes. Luckily, I always had a good head on 544 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: my shoulders. I have been blessed with an amazing family. UM. 545 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: And I know people get a little weary and wheezy 546 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: easy about this when I mentioned faith, But I'm strong 547 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: in my faith. And so those were the things I 548 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: knew were important. And I preached this to my kids, 549 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: and you got to live it if you're going to 550 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: preach it, and that is remember what's important, Remember who's important. 551 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: And I never defined myself by my career, and so 552 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: when that was taken away, when that was stripped away, 553 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: I was okay. I found solace and I found strength 554 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: and what I always found strength then. And I think 555 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: to your question, if I had lost what I found 556 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: strength and pride in my family, that would have been 557 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: what's gutting. But I always had that and so I 558 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: was always able to wake up every day and just 559 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: keep moving forward. I love that. So important and such 560 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: good advice. UM, So important and important to remember to 561 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: prioritize that stuff always. Um. Can I ask one more question? 562 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: You bet? One more Lisa? Okay, UM, So do you 563 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: feel like you have to be overly censored now after 564 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: what happened? Like, do you feel like you're going to 565 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: be canceled again, and like specifically, like it just feels 566 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: like such a fine line between making sure that everyone 567 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: in our society feels valued and included, which I do 568 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: think is really important. Um, but also with censorship, which 569 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: I mean I personally feel it's not a good thing. Um. 570 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: You know, people may disagree. Um, people do disagree, right, Um, 571 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: But I feel like it's such a balance between the 572 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: two because, particularly in the media, I just don't think 573 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: censorship is a good thing. I think we need to 574 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: know stuff and here stuff. So yeah, So just wondering like, 575 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: how do you how do you approach that now, or 576 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: how do you think through that or think about it? 577 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: That's such a good question. I was, as you were 578 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: asking your other question and about how Chris has changed, 579 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: I was going to challenge him a little bit and say, 580 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: but don't you think you've changed on that? Actually? I 581 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: mean I feel I've changed. I have definitely gotten more. Um, 582 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: I've shut down out a little bit as a person. 583 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm actually trying to push myself back to the open, fun, 584 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: silly person and that side of myself that I used 585 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: to be. I find myself so cautious. I find myself 586 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, I think the hardest part about all this 587 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: for us is probably that you start to question your gut. 588 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: Um we you know, everybody says trust your gut, but 589 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: when you are trying to be open and then you're 590 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: you find yourself in being told to be quiet and everything. Um, 591 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: it's hard. And I have to say that it's so 592 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: important to remember that so many marginalized communities have felt 593 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: this way for such a long time. And so I 594 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, as a woman, we felt 595 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: that it's all it's all these things to remember that 596 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: people can feel hurt and in pain, and that we 597 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: have to remember to try to be as sensitive as 598 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: we can. Um. So I but I have found myself. 599 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: Yet you on the one hand, you want to be 600 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: careful and then on the their hand, you have to 601 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: remind yourself like be who you are and hopefully say 602 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: what you think without hurting anyone, and hopefully say what 603 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: you think without getting shut down it. But it's a 604 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: really hard to do. Well, it's a tough line to walk, right, 605 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: I mean, doing this podcast. This is episode three. I 606 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: was scared to death those first two episodes. I was 607 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: very careful and I've always been careful about how I speak. 608 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: I I try to always think. And that's why, honestly, 609 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: going back to that interview, why it was just such 610 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: a bizarre moment, even for me looking back, because I'm 611 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: usually so much more thoughtful and careful about how I 612 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: speak in people's feelings and how my words will be taken. 613 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: But now, even more than than ever, I care and 614 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: I also worry about it, you know, because and I 615 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: realized there's there's this is a double edged sword, and 616 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: two sides of this, and this might seem contradictory, but 617 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: it's not. I I'm careful. I want to be marked, 618 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: but at the same time, I want to be open 619 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: and honest with you, and I know that that's going 620 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: to ruffle feathers. I know that I can't please everybody, 621 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: and so you can't go through life walking on eggshells 622 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 1: hoping everybody's going to be happy with me. I'm gonna 623 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: please everybody. Luckily, I got over that a long time ago, 624 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: because you can't live this life. I've lived in the 625 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: public eye for so long and not take shots. You know, 626 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: people will come at you for for all kinds of things. 627 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: Luckily I have a thick skin. But it's different now. 628 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: And it's different for me now because of what I've 629 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: gone through. And can I be canceled again? Probably? I 630 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: don't know. I you know, I'm sure, I'm sure I 631 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: could go somewhere, you know, and and make that happen. 632 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's a delicate tightrope and it 633 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: always has been, but I think now more than ever. 634 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: And Lisa, thank you so much for the thoughtful questions. 635 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: These questions have been amazing today. Well, thanks so much 636 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: for your answers. And I'm so glad you're back, So 637 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: glad you're doing this podcast. I can't wait to keep 638 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: hearing it. Lisa, thank you so much. I love this. 639 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: I love taking these phone calls. I love hearing from you. 640 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: Um getting a chance to talk to you dramination. Hi Chris, 641 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: this is Sam. Hey Sam, how you doing. I'm good? 642 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: How are you excellent? Thank you? Beautiful day? Good. Yes, UM, 643 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: I have a first I have a few questions, but UM, 644 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: I first wanted to ask you, you know, after everything happened, 645 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: did you ever have like a big breakdown moment, like 646 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, crying on your hands and knees, or like 647 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: crying in your bed. I imagine that must have been 648 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: very hard after everything happened. Yeah, yeah, Um. There were 649 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: all kinds of moments. Um. There was one in particular. 650 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: I remember Lauren sitting here. I had just gotten off 651 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: I had so many phone calls and and things would 652 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: just go on for all day, and by the end 653 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: of the day I was usually just like wrung out. 654 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: I was done, so was so was l z. Um. 655 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: But I remember something in particular happened, and I don't 656 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: even recall exactly what it was, not that I could 657 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: probably tell you, but um, and that doesn't matter. I 658 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: walked into the kitchen and and Lauren was there, and 659 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: I just looked at her and I was I was done. 660 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily know if I fell fell to 661 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: my knees or anything that dramatic, but I just I 662 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: just remember that specific moment where I think we both 663 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: cried a little bit because it meant so much to us. 664 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: But there were there were many moments like that, UM, 665 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: where he felt a little overwhelmed and and and again 666 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: to go back to t J. Holmes and Amy Roeback, Um, 667 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: in all seriousness with them at g m A and 668 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: what they're going through right now, I know that feeling 669 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: of the world feels like it's against you. When you're 670 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: facing such a big foe and it's coming from all 671 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: sides and you're trying to figure out what's best for everybody, 672 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: it's really difficult. And so that's why you know, my 673 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: heart goes out to them, um, no matter what the 674 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: facts are behind the scenes, UM, because I just got it. 675 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: That part was triggering, because yeah, I just even now, 676 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: I feel it in my gut. I know the moment 677 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: where I felt the worst about everything, which was sorry, 678 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: who's the caller? I'm so sorry? Sam? I am I 679 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: get I don't know. I feel like I feel like 680 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: Sam just took us into therapy and I'm gonna lay 681 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: down on the couch right now, Sam, Sam, that was 682 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: That's such a good question. I would have asked, and 683 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: I did have asked in a million interviews. What was 684 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: the moment you knew it was over? What was the 685 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: moment you knew you were done? When? When did you 686 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: break down? Um? By the way, there were many times 687 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: where I don't know how Chris didn't break down more. 688 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: I yelled at him a lot. I was very UM. 689 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: I tried. There were moments where I tried to be 690 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: strong and then there were moments where I would lose it. Um, 691 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: but I the moment that is maybe the most painful 692 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: for me actually to look back on, was the night 693 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: before you did the g M A interview. You were 694 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: sitting in bed, and I just remember feeling like, um, sorry, 695 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: It's funny how quickly I still cry. Um, Like you 696 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: weren't yourself. You were sitting there and like trying to, 697 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, be so prepared for this because you wanted 698 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: to do right by everybody in that interview, and I 699 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: remember you're saying something like, you know, I don't know 700 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: how to follow my gut anymore here, and you were not. 701 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: You just weren't yourself to me, and I had a 702 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,439 Speaker 1: bad feeling that I just felt like he's in such 703 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: a dark, confused place that he doesn't know how to 704 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: answer from. He doesn't know how to operate, you know, 705 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: as himself anymore. And gosh, it was it's very scary 706 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: when you get to that place. That was the toughest moment, 707 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: and I didn't know how to get you back. So Sam, 708 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: thanks for taking any gosh, I don't mean to depress you, Sam, 709 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: any other questions. No, thank you so much for sharing 710 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,240 Speaker 1: that and actually Lauren, I'm glad you're there too, because, Um, 711 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: I actually had a question for you because I was wondering, like, 712 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: did anyone ever tell you that you should break up 713 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: with Chris during any of this? Like that must have 714 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: been a weird spot good question you put in. So 715 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: I was just wondering what happened, uh during that time too, 716 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: and if anyone ever said anything to you like that, Sam, 717 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: Yes they did. Um. Yes, I got d M s 718 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: from people telling me to break up with Chris. Um. 719 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: I got d M s from people telling me how 720 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: could I stay with Chris. Um. I had people in 721 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: the industry telling me that I should protect myself and 722 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 1: that from my career I should break up with Chris. Um. 723 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: So yes, And I guess to take it to I mean, 724 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: maybe to expand and say the reason I didn't do that, 725 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: um was because, like I said, Chris, I mean, I'm 726 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 1: divorced too, and to me, everybody is going to make mistakes. 727 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: I said this last week, It's all about how you 728 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: respond from those mistakes. UM. I did not break up 729 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: with Chris. That was never even on my mind because 730 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: right away Chris knew he had been imperfect, knew he 731 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: had made a mistake, knew that he'd hurt people, and 732 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: he was so sorry for hurting people. Um, and he 733 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: right away was thinking about how to make that better, 734 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: how to do right by everybody, how to fix everything. So, 735 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I had seen who Chris really was 736 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: in a million moments other than that interview, and I 737 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: saw the capability of his heart and who he could 738 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: be in a million moments after that interview and since 739 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: so breaking up with Chris was never an option for me, because, 740 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: thank goodness, I know who he is, and he saw 741 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: and he showed me who he was even more. Thanks Sam, 742 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you two are still together and 743 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: that you have come out on the other side of this. 744 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: So I'm glad to hear that me too. And Sam, 745 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: thank you for thank you for your thoughtful questions and 746 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: and just thank you for listening to the podcast. I 747 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: hope it is what you wanted to be, and I 748 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: hope it turns into more of what you want. I 749 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: truly appreciate it. I'm very grateful me too. Thank you 750 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: so much. I love the show and keep on doing 751 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: what you're doing. Thanks Sam, Thank you. Wow, what an 752 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: incredible day this has been. What an amazing episode. I 753 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: want to thank everybody who called in. I want to 754 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: thank everybody for their questions. This has been overwhelming for 755 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: Elz and I. This has been incredible and I just 756 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful and truly appreciative and I of this. 757 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: I love it. This is this is what I want 758 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: to show, not just talking about like what's happened, but 759 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: this is what I want to show to be about 760 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: where we start getting into stuff, relationships and I. It's 761 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: something we all relate to, right. We all have relationships, 762 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: we all get in them, we all get out of them. 763 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: We all have a great breakup story, a great love story. 764 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: So this is what I want to dive into. And 765 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking so forward to this. So thank you Dramination. 766 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: I look forward to so much more and if you 767 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: will indulge me, there is one more thing I want 768 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: to talk about today, and this is on a very 769 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: personal note. And no matter who you are, you can 770 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: say you are a self made man or woman. None 771 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: of us are self made. We all have teachers, mentors, 772 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: just people in our lives that have given us a 773 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: leg up, people that have been there, people that got 774 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: us from here to there, whatever that moment was, and 775 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: I have many people like that in my life, but 776 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: I just lost one last week. His name was Brian Harvey. 777 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: He was my college soccer coach. For those of you 778 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 1: some know me that I love the game of soccer 779 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: and it was my life for a big part of 780 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: my childhood and into adulthood. And I played four years 781 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: of soccer at Oklahoma City University. The reason I did 782 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: so was because of this man, Brian Harvey, who found 783 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: me my senior year of high school and recruited me 784 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: and took me to o s U where I played 785 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: for him. But he was so much more than than 786 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: just a coach, um as all mentors, leaders and great 787 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:42,720 Speaker 1: coaches are. He affected my life permanently. He took a young, cocky, 788 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: arrogant eighteen year old soccer player that didn't have a 789 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: lot of direction and gave him focus, Um, gave him meaning. 790 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 1: He's He's partially the reason that I got into media 791 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: and got into sportscasting and and found this avenue in 792 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: my life. And he changed. Brian. For those obviously you 793 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,360 Speaker 1: don't know, but Brian did more for soccer in Oklahoma 794 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: than any human being ever will. He coached for thirty 795 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: five years he was an absolute legend in soccer and 796 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 1: especially at OCU. He touched the lives of thousands of 797 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: young men and women, whether he coached them at his 798 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 1: club at Ocu, where he coached both the men and 799 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: the women, he did youth camps. He touched the lives 800 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: of so many of us, and we are all so grateful. 801 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: And to Judy and Nicole, his wife and daughter who 802 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: um shared him with us, we are so grateful and 803 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: sorry and on such a down note, but there are 804 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: people in our lives who are so important and never 805 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: get a shout out. And and for all the Brian 806 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: Harvey's out there, I just want to say thank you 807 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: and Harve. This one's dedicated to you. I'll miss you 808 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: and I love you, and I'll talk to you all 809 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: next week. Thank you for being here, because we have 810 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow 811 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever and 812 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: make sure to write us a review and leave us 813 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: five stars. I'll talk to you next time.