WEBVTT - Space Treaties and Artemis Accords

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tex Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech. And in space, no

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<v Speaker 1>one can hear you scream. They also can't hear you laugh, uh, cry,

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<v Speaker 1>or launch a thermonuclear device. And that's caused sound doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>travel in space. Do you know why. It's not that

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<v Speaker 1>there's no air out in space. It's that there's not

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<v Speaker 1>enough of anything out in space. And just to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>this wasn't how I actually planned to start this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm on a roll now, so you can't stop me. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So sound is a physical phenomena. We've talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>before on Tech Stuff. It's where particles transmit vibrations outward

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<v Speaker 1>from a source of those vibrations. And as so long

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<v Speaker 1>as you've got a bunch of physical particles of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and those physical particles of stuff are close enough together

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<v Speaker 1>to bump into each other when one gets pushed, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're not so tightly packed that they aren't able to

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<v Speaker 1>move at all, well, then sounds going to travel through

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<v Speaker 1>that substance. Sound will go through water or solid objects

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<v Speaker 1>or the air. And in every case, these particles, like

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<v Speaker 1>air molecules for example, vibrate and in the air this

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<v Speaker 1>causes little fluctuations in air pressure, which in turn affect

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<v Speaker 1>the tympanic membrane or ear drum in our ears, and

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<v Speaker 1>we experience that as hearing sound. I've gone into that

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<v Speaker 1>in greater detail on other podcasts, but that's the basics there. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in space, there's a vacuum or essentially a vacuum, and

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<v Speaker 1>a vacuum is an area devoid of matter. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>space is empty with no matter in it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>there's no matter, there's no medium through which vibrations can travel.

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<v Speaker 1>The vibrations can't go anywhere, so there's there's no sound,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no vibration. But that's not what this episode is

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<v Speaker 1>about anyway. I just wanted to say, it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>that there's no air out in space. There's no anything

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<v Speaker 1>out in space. That's the problem. Okay, let's get to

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<v Speaker 1>what this episode is actually about. It's about the rules

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<v Speaker 1>we humans have come up with when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>space exploration, because, as it turns out, human beings can

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<v Speaker 1>be amazing, but we can also be pretty terrible and

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<v Speaker 1>space holds a lot of potential for amazing and terrible things,

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<v Speaker 1>with or without our involvement. So in order to try

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<v Speaker 1>and guide us towards being more amazing and less terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>very smart people got together to come up with some

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<v Speaker 1>basic rules that we should all follow. Basic vague rules,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were kind of vague on purpose. Now recently

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<v Speaker 1>those rules got a bit of any extension with the

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<v Speaker 1>Artemis Accords, a collection of guidelines for lunar exploration, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like exploring the Moon, and those were developed by NASA. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as I record this, NASA has announced that eight countries,

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<v Speaker 1>including the United States, have signed the Accords. There are

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<v Speaker 1>some notable absences in those eight countries, some that might

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<v Speaker 1>change over time and a couple that probably won't. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to all that first. Why do we need

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<v Speaker 1>rules in the first place. Early in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>the space exploration there really were just two big countries

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<v Speaker 1>that we're making any progress at all, and those two

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<v Speaker 1>countries were the United States and the then Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>Complicating matters is that the USA and then US s R.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not the best of buddies, to put it lightly.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the two nations were in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold War, which was defined as the open rivalry

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<v Speaker 1>between nations that doesn't reached the point of open hostilities.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cold War was an era of propaganda. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an era of posturing, political maneuvering, and attempts to undermine

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<v Speaker 1>each other, like each country was doing this actively against

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<v Speaker 1>the other country. I grew up at the tail end

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cold War, and it was not a fun time.

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<v Speaker 1>And you could convincingly argue that we're seeing kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a similar situation today between the United States and a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of other countries. But that's a matter for a

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<v Speaker 1>political podcast, not for tech stuff. However, it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>note that the rush to space wasn't just about demonstrating

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<v Speaker 1>technical superiority over an adversary, though that did play into

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot. There were also some pretty heavy implications

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<v Speaker 1>that go along with the capability of launching stuff into space.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the nineteen fifties, the Soviet Union had developed

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<v Speaker 1>its own nuclear weapons, and when the USSR launched the

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<v Speaker 1>first man made satellite to orbit the Earth, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>spoot Nick, that was in October nineteen fifty seven. And

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<v Speaker 1>if the Soviets could launch a payload into space, they

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<v Speaker 1>might also be able to mount a nuclear warhead onto

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<v Speaker 1>a ballistic missile and send it across the world. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like at the United States, there would be no need

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<v Speaker 1>to load up bombers aircraft to carry nuclear weapons. Those

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<v Speaker 1>could be intercepted and shot down before they could deploy

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<v Speaker 1>their weapons. So this was a terrifying possibility, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of a nation being able to press up button, so

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<v Speaker 1>to speak, and send a volley of missiles armed with

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear warheads all the way across the world, and it

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<v Speaker 1>ushered in not just the space race, but also helped

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<v Speaker 1>boost the nuclear arms race and the escalation of the

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy of mutually assured destruction, a truly awful awful approach

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<v Speaker 1>to world peace, the idea of well, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>be peaceful because otherwise we will literally obliterate one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Not exactly comforting if you're a little kid. And so,

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<v Speaker 1>partly to demonstrate that the US was just as capable

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<v Speaker 1>as the Soviet Union when it comes to long distance rocketry,

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<v Speaker 1>and partly to attempt to secure the coveted title of

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<v Speaker 1>most technologically and scientifically advanced nation on Earth. We saw

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of rapid development in the fledgling space industry

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Now, don't get me wrong. While

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<v Speaker 1>the motivation to fund such development may have come from

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<v Speaker 1>less noble origins, the people who are actually working to

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<v Speaker 1>achieve what seemed impossible. We're mostly focusing on solving difficult

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<v Speaker 1>engineering problems. They were using math and science and technology

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<v Speaker 1>and human ingenuity to do some really incredible stuff. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>some began to think ahead a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>implications of base capability. If we were to send satellites

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<v Speaker 1>and later people into space, we might one day also

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<v Speaker 1>send other stuff out there, weapons, for example, or colonists,

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<v Speaker 1>or mining operations, or all sorts of things. And there

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<v Speaker 1>were no guidelines or laws about that. I mean, who

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<v Speaker 1>the heck has jurisdiction out in space? The space cops

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<v Speaker 1>someone called red letter media, and so representatives in the

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<v Speaker 1>United Nations began to work out language that would help

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<v Speaker 1>set expectations when it came to space travel and use

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<v Speaker 1>the United Nations considerable clout to convince member nations to

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<v Speaker 1>sign on in agreement. And some nations this would be

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<v Speaker 1>less of a lift than for other nations. Because many

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<v Speaker 1>countries were more or less bystanders with the space race.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't really have any involvement in the space industry.

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<v Speaker 1>So they could sign a treaty, but you could argue

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really meaningful because they weren't pursuing space exploration

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<v Speaker 1>or any sort of space industry. But the UN established

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<v Speaker 1>there needed to be some ground rules for space. Ground

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<v Speaker 1>rules for space. Well, I feel it's that's not just

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<v Speaker 1>a weird phrase, but possibly an early discarded David Bowie

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<v Speaker 1>song ground rules for space. I'm getting off track. This

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<v Speaker 1>would ultimately lead to the drafting of what we would

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<v Speaker 1>call the Outer Space Treaty, but even that had a

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<v Speaker 1>few predecessors. So for example, nineteen one years before the

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<v Speaker 1>Outer Space Treaty of nineteen sixty seven, during the sixteenth

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<v Speaker 1>session of the General Assembly of the United Nations, the

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<v Speaker 1>UN adopted a resolution called seventeen twenty one UH. The

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<v Speaker 1>Assembly did this without a vote. I should add, and

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<v Speaker 1>this resolution begins quote the General Assembly recognizing the common

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<v Speaker 1>interest of mankind and furthering the peaceful uses of outer

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<v Speaker 1>space and the urgent need to strengthen international cooperation in

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<v Speaker 1>this important field. Believing that the exploration and use of

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<v Speaker 1>outer space should be only for the betterment of mankind

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<v Speaker 1>and to the benefit of States, irrespective of the stage

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<v Speaker 1>of their economic or scientific development, commends to states for

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<v Speaker 1>their guidance in the exploration and use of outer space.

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<v Speaker 1>The following principles international law, including the Charter of the

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<v Speaker 1>United Nations, applies to outer space and celestial bodies. Outer

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<v Speaker 1>space and celestial bodies are free for exploration and use

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<v Speaker 1>by all states in conformity with international law, and are

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<v Speaker 1>not subject to national appropriation. The resolution goes on to

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<v Speaker 1>invite a committee one called the Peaceful Uses of Outer

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<v Speaker 1>Space to research potential legal problems and their solutions. Subsequent resolutions,

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<v Speaker 1>such as Resolution eighteen zero two and Resolution nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two would further emphasize that space exploration should be treated

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<v Speaker 1>as an endeavor with the goal of benefiting all people's

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<v Speaker 1>of Earth, not just the individual nations that were involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the actual pursuit of space exploration. Moreover, that the

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<v Speaker 1>guiding principles should be overall peaceful. As this was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and the Soviet Union continued their space race,

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<v Speaker 1>with the Soviets getting a bunch of firsts like the

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<v Speaker 1>first human in orbit UH and the first spacewalk, but

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<v Speaker 1>the US wasn't far behind and registered a few firsts

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<v Speaker 1>of its own, including the first case of two spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>docking while in space. Moreover, in nineteen sixty two, President

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<v Speaker 1>John F. Kennedy famously declared that by the end of

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<v Speaker 1>that decade, the United States would put astronauts on the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon's surface. At the same time, the world was growing

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<v Speaker 1>far more tense as the US and uss ARE were

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<v Speaker 1>ramping up the Cold War. Here on Earth. The US

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<v Speaker 1>had installed ballistic missiles and countries like Turkey and Italy

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<v Speaker 1>that were capable of reaching locations within the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>The United States had also partly funded an invasion of

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba to try and depose Fidel Castro in the Bay

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<v Speaker 1>of Pigs invasion. The reasons behind this go well beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the scope of our podcast, but a consequence of that

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<v Speaker 1>action was that Castro would reach out to the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union and ask that the USSR installed nuclear weapons on

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba as a deterrent for any future invasion attempts, and

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<v Speaker 1>the USSR agreed and began to ship and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>smuggle nuclear weapons into Cuba. And Cuba is just a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles or so off the coast of Florida in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, and the nuclear arming of Cuba led

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<v Speaker 1>to a series of hurried and tense talks that fortunately

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in the uss ARE withdrawing weapons from Cuba and

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<v Speaker 1>the US dismantling the weapons it had placed in Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>But historians point to the crisis as the closest that

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<v Speaker 1>the two nations ever got to act initiating a nuclear war.

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<v Speaker 1>While the Cuban missile crisis ended without a war, the

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<v Speaker 1>antagonism between the United States and the USSR was undeniable,

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<v Speaker 1>and with both nations launching missions into space, committees within

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<v Speaker 1>the United Nations felt compelled to outline a more thorough

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<v Speaker 1>set of rules regarding space exploration and how space should

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<v Speaker 1>be treated from a political and global perspective. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how the Outer Space Treaty of nineteen sixty seven, otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Treaty on Principles governing the Activities of

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<v Speaker 1>States in the exploration and use of outer space, including

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon and other celestial bodies, would come about. The

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<v Speaker 1>United Nations opened the Treaty for signatures in three locations

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<v Speaker 1>on January nineteen sixty seven. Those three locations were Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. In the United States, London in England, and

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow in the Soviet Union. Like the earlier resolutions, the

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<v Speaker 1>Outer Space Treaty largely lays out general rules for space exploration,

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<v Speaker 1>with the focus on peaceful applications that benefit all of humanity,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than space exploring nations hoarding knowledge and resources just

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<v Speaker 1>for their grubby, own little selves. It also laid out

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<v Speaker 1>general rules that no one can claim any part of

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<v Speaker 1>space as part of the nation. You can't, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>map out a sector of space and say this belongs

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<v Speaker 1>to Germany, or I claim the Moon for Luxembourg. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you could say it, but if you sign the treaty,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone would give you mad side eyed and say bro

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<v Speaker 1>for reals, non reality. There would be a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>pressure here on Earth, and not just atmospheric pressure, so

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<v Speaker 1>they would say, you know, just play nice, don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Also, claiming any part of space would be

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to back up. But then this treaty was

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<v Speaker 1>made in part as an effort to prevent potential conflicts

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<v Speaker 1>in the future, rather than as a response to a

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<v Speaker 1>current crisis, so this was kind of future proofing space exploration. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are seventeen articles in that Outer Space Treaty, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to summarize them quickly just give you an

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<v Speaker 1>overview of which what each one is. So the first

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<v Speaker 1>is that bit I talked about where space exploration results

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<v Speaker 1>should be done with the goal of benefiting all peoples

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<v Speaker 1>of all countries, whether or not those countries are in

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<v Speaker 1>the space exploration biz. Second is the bit that says

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<v Speaker 1>no nation can claim sovereignty over any part of space.

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<v Speaker 1>That's article too. The third is that space exploration should

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<v Speaker 1>be conducted within the parameters of established international laws. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, if it's illegal in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean, where no single nation really has dominion, it

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<v Speaker 1>would also be illegal in space. The next article says

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<v Speaker 1>putting nuclear weapons or any other weapons of mass destruction

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<v Speaker 1>in orbit around Earth is a big no no. You're

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<v Speaker 1>also not allowed to put military installations on celestial bodies

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<v Speaker 1>like the Moon. And then the next article states that

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<v Speaker 1>astronauts are envoys for all of humanity and that should

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<v Speaker 1>an astronaut need emergency assistance, any capable country should agree

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<v Speaker 1>to help, regardless of where the astronaut is from back

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth. So, in other words, if if a Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>cosmonaut were in danger, then and an American crew had

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to help, the cosmonaut, it would be the

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility of the Americans to lend that help, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not the political tensions between the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and the USSR were, you know, at all time high.

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<v Speaker 1>Article six says that countries will be held responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>any activities they conduct in outer space, whether those come

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<v Speaker 1>from a government origin or from a non governmental entity

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<v Speaker 1>within the country. So, in other words, if a company

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<v Speaker 1>like Coca Cola were to install nuclear weapons on the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon as part of the Cola Wars, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>really ramped up, the United States would be held accountable

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<v Speaker 1>for that transgression because Coca Cola's headquarters are right down

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<v Speaker 1>the street for me. Seven. Article seven states that if

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<v Speaker 1>you launch something and in the process of the launch

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<v Speaker 1>you cause damage to some other country, it's tots your

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<v Speaker 1>fault and you need to exchange insurance information. Article eight

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<v Speaker 1>is that if you launch it into space, that thing

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<v Speaker 1>is yours. It belongs to you, and it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>how far away it gets from you. If it goes

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<v Speaker 1>out of the Solar System, it still belongs to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Article nine says that all nations agreed to explore space responsibly,

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<v Speaker 1>taking care not to interfere with any other nations activities

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<v Speaker 1>in space as well as avoid bringing potentially contaminating material

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<v Speaker 1>back to Earth. So essentially, this is like I'm drawing

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<v Speaker 1>a line down the middle of space, and that side

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<v Speaker 1>is yours and this side is mine. Not not so

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<v Speaker 1>much that, but more like, here's a little imaginary border

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<v Speaker 1>around what I'm doing. Please don't go across it because

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<v Speaker 1>you might hurt what's going on, and everyone's supposed to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of agree to that. All right, So

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<v Speaker 1>we're about halfway through the articles, but I think I

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<v Speaker 1>need to drink some tang. That's a space joke, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break. All right. We're up to

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<v Speaker 1>Article ten of the nineteen sixty seven Space Treaty that

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<v Speaker 1>one says that space exploring nations shall quote consider, on

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<v Speaker 1>a basis of equality, any requests by any other states

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<v Speaker 1>parties to the Treaty to be afforded an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>observe the flight of space objects launched by those states

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. In other words, to share expertise when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to stuff like spacecraft flying through and stuff. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't prevent other countries from serving what you're doing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a transparency argument. Article eleven This one says

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<v Speaker 1>that nations should share the results of their space exploration

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<v Speaker 1>work with the Secretary General of the United Nations, who

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<v Speaker 1>then has a responsibility to disseminate that information to the

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<v Speaker 1>other nations that are within the u N. So essentially saying,

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<v Speaker 1>if you learn something cool, you've got to share it

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<v Speaker 1>with the rest of the class. Article twelve says that

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<v Speaker 1>if a nation allows members of another nation into their

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<v Speaker 1>space stuff in outer space, it's expected that the visitor

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<v Speaker 1>will extend the same courtesy to the host reciprocity. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, Article thirteen covers cases in which there may

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<v Speaker 1>be an international inter governmental organization or a group of

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<v Speaker 1>organizations working together, and how to resolve any questions or

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<v Speaker 1>issues between these should they come up. The actual wording

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<v Speaker 1>is a bit clunky, but essentially tries to create a

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<v Speaker 1>way to work out any issues before they graduate from

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<v Speaker 1>issues and become full blown problems. Article fourteen just covers

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<v Speaker 1>the process of signing the treaty, saying that even if

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<v Speaker 1>a state doesn't sign the treaty before it's enforced, it

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<v Speaker 1>can join at any point afterwards, so it's no sweat

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<v Speaker 1>if you couldn't hoof it to Washington Moscow or London,

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<v Speaker 1>you can sign it later. Fifteen says that any state

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<v Speaker 1>that signs the treaty may propose amendments to the treaty.

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<v Speaker 1>Article sixteen says the nation can withdraw from the treaty,

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<v Speaker 1>but only after the treaty has been in force for

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<v Speaker 1>a full year. So after it's been signed by enough

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<v Speaker 1>signatories to be put in force, you could wait a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you could announce your intention to withdraw from the treaty,

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<v Speaker 1>and the date of actual withdrawal would be a another

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<v Speaker 1>year from the date of request. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>the very earliest you could back out after you signed

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<v Speaker 1>the treaty would be two years after the treaty was

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<v Speaker 1>actually put into force. And finally, Article seventeen covers how

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<v Speaker 1>the treaty is made available in various languages and locations

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<v Speaker 1>and authenticated so that the nations of the United Nations

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<v Speaker 1>can actually read the ding dang durn thing. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>like here's where it lives kind of deal. Now, since

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<v Speaker 1>the U N entered the treaty into force, more than

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<v Speaker 1>one nations have signed it, and politics being what they are,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the nations that had signed it are, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no longer nations Today, it's changed, and some nations that

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<v Speaker 1>have signed it didn't exist as sovereign nations at least

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<v Speaker 1>back in ninety seven. So I guess the fluid nature

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<v Speaker 1>of humanity points to why the treaty was a good

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<v Speaker 1>idea in the first place. The u N would consider

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<v Speaker 1>subsequent rules for space exploration to expand on this space

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<v Speaker 1>Treaty in the following years. Some of those would be

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<v Speaker 1>ratified by space exploring nations and some were not. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the Agreement governing the Activities of States on the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon and other celestial bodies, also known as just the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon Agreement, which the u N opened for signatures in

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<v Speaker 1>December of nineteen seventy nine. It took several years for

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<v Speaker 1>the measure to receive the five signatures it would need

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<v Speaker 1>to enter into force, with Austria being the fifth in July.

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<v Speaker 1>Since its introduction, no nation that has actually sent missions,

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<v Speaker 1>manned or otherwise to the Moon at least successfully has

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<v Speaker 1>signed on. That means that while the treaty has entered

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<v Speaker 1>into force, none of the countries that are actually sending

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to the Moon have signed onto that part that

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<v Speaker 1>particular agreement, which makes it largely meaningless. Though, I should

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<v Speaker 1>point out that India, which does have a space program

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<v Speaker 1>but has failed in a recent attempt to send a

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<v Speaker 1>lunar mission, did sign it, or is at least participating

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<v Speaker 1>in the agreement, but has not as of yet ratified

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<v Speaker 1>the agreement. So why is that? Why are the country

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<v Speaker 1>reads that actually are sending stuff to the Moon. Why

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<v Speaker 1>have they not signed on with this agreement that's been

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<v Speaker 1>available since nineteen nine. Well, many of the provisions of

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<v Speaker 1>the agreement kind of fall in line with the older

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<v Speaker 1>Space Treaty, you know, it's more of the same, but

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<v Speaker 1>they extend it to not just the Moon but also

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<v Speaker 1>lunar orbit. Now, if I'm reading the original treaty correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you could reasonably argue that lunar orbit counts

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<v Speaker 1>as space. Therefore prohibiting stuff like the deployment of nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>weapons and lunar orbit is somewhat redundant, because the original

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<v Speaker 1>treaty says you're not supposed to do that in space period.

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<v Speaker 1>But my point being that the Moon Agreement was making

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<v Speaker 1>a point of saying the Moon is not to be

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<v Speaker 1>weaponized or leveraged for militaristic purposes. Perhaps Article seven of

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon agreement is where actual nations that had been

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<v Speaker 1>sending lunar missions started to feel a reluctance to sign on.

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<v Speaker 1>That article states the countries sending up Moon missions quote

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<v Speaker 1>shall take measures to prevent the disruption of the existing

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<v Speaker 1>balance of its environment end quote, which might be seen

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<v Speaker 1>as too great a limitation by some nations that are

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<v Speaker 1>determined to exploit the Moon's resources. But I really think

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<v Speaker 1>it was Article eleven that did it. That article states, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon and its natural resources are the common heritage

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<v Speaker 1>of mankind, which finds its expression in the provisions of

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<v Speaker 1>this agreement end quote. And then it goes on to say,

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<v Speaker 1>quote neither the surface nor the subsurface of the Moon,

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<v Speaker 1>nor any part thereof, or natural resources in place, shall

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<v Speaker 1>become property of any state, international, in, inter governmental or

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<v Speaker 1>non governmental organization, notational organization, or non governmental entity, or

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<v Speaker 1>of any natural person end quote. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>while the agreement doesn't expressly forbid mining the Moon for resources,

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<v Speaker 1>the agreement calls for those resources to not belong to

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<v Speaker 1>any one company, person, or nation. You know, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter who dug it up. It doesn't belong to them.

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.679
<v Speaker 1>It rather belongs to humankind. The article goes on to

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<v Speaker 1>propose an international body that would determine how such resources

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<v Speaker 1>might be put to any use. And I'm guessing that's

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<v Speaker 1>where a lot of the countries that were sending up

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<v Speaker 1>missions to the Moon said, yeah, no thanks, but hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what the heck is up there anyway? I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>resources could possibly be on the Moon apart from dust

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<v Speaker 1>and some moon rocks, And why would we want to

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<v Speaker 1>spend the resources and incur the risks of such a

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>complicated operation in the first place. Well as the m

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<v Speaker 1>I T Technology Review put it in an article titled

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how we could mind the Moon for rocket fuel?

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<v Speaker 1>As a spoiler alert right there, that article published on

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<v Speaker 1>May ninety they said, quote, the Moon is a treasure

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<v Speaker 1>trove of value bowl resources, gold, platinum, and many rare

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<v Speaker 1>earth metals await extraction to be used in next generation electronics.

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<v Speaker 1>Non radioactive helium three could one day power nuclear fusion reactors.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote. Now, it sounds as though a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those resources would be ones that we would want to

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<v Speaker 1>harvest from the Moon and then bring back to Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>though we have to keep in mind that that approach

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:27.479
<v Speaker 1>would be outrageously expensive. It would need to be a

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<v Speaker 1>truly remarkable return, like the mother load of all mother loads,

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<v Speaker 1>to make this a viable alternative to just mining those

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 1>same resources here on Earth. Even if the resources are

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<v Speaker 1>far less plentiful on Earth, we don't have to go

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<v Speaker 1>into space to mind them, right, or we would have

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<v Speaker 1>to reach a pretty bleak point where the resources here

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth are so incredibly difficult to access or are

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<v Speaker 1>so incredibly rare that it necessitates the risk of acquiring

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>those same things off planet. But that's that's a big

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 1>bar that you have to meet. But the most precious

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<v Speaker 1>resource in the long run is the one that we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of here on Earth, and that's water.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like our planet's surfaces covered with the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's really precious on the Moon. And that's because

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<v Speaker 1>we all know that water is made out of hydrogen

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<v Speaker 1>and oxygen, right. Well, if you split water molecules apart

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<v Speaker 1>so that you harvest the hydrogen and the oxygen, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you liquefy both the hydrogen and the oxygen, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got yourself some rocket fuel. Not to mention, you could

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<v Speaker 1>also harvest oxygen so that you have you know, oxygen,

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff we need to breathe, and as I've been

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<v Speaker 1>told there's not a whole lot of that out and

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<v Speaker 1>outer space, so being able to make oxygen for the

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<v Speaker 1>purposes of life support would be really helpful. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously this would be an enormous benefit for any mission

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<v Speaker 1>that aims to explore our Solar System or beyond while

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<v Speaker 1>relying on stuff like rocket propulsion, right, because by making

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>rocket fuel on the Moon or within lunar orbit, we

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:13.199
<v Speaker 1>could create refueling stations. So imagine a station that's in

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>lunar orbit and spacecraft from the Moon are bringing fresh

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 1>supplies of rocket fuel to this. This lunar orbit station,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe the station itself is a processing facility. It's

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>just taking in the raw oxygen and raw hydrogen and

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>making rocket fuel there. Meanwhile, spacecraft from Earth will swing

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<v Speaker 1>by the Moon for a refuel before they head off

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else like Mars or whatever. It would mean that

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't have to load down the spacecraft on Earth

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<v Speaker 1>with so much fuel. We would only need enough fuel

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<v Speaker 1>to launch it off the planet and send it to

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon for its refueling. And that's great because fuel

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<v Speaker 1>is heavy stuff, and as we add fuel to a

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<v Speaker 1>spacecraft here on Earth, we increase the overall weight of

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>the spacecraft, which in turn means that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that we have enough fuel to get not

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>just the spacecraft, but all the fuel that's carrying up

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>into space. This is a really delicate balancing act. We

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>need enough fuel to get to where we're going, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just as simple as adding a few thousand

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<v Speaker 1>gallons here or there, because that added weight changes the

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 1>requirements we face to get something into space in the

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 1>first place. And as Austin Powers would say, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone cross eyed again, a refuel station in lunar

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<v Speaker 1>orbit would decrease the amount of fuel that we would

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<v Speaker 1>need to produce and use here on Earth per launch.

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Plus rocket fuel is really expensive, so by splitting that

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>up between Earth and lunar operations, we might be able

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to be more cost effective with our fuel production, depending

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>on how we do it, Although that could just turn

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<v Speaker 1>out to be just as expensive or maybe even more expensive,

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>but easier to do it. It's kind of hard to

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<v Speaker 1>say because we haven't done it yet. In addition, here

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>in the United States, we've seen the rise of the

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>private space industry, something that has become necessary as NASA,

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, the government's funded space agency in the United

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>States has faced challenges in several forms, like in budget cutbacks,

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>failed projects, and occasional organizational problems. Moreover, while we in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, at least those of us from Generation

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<v Speaker 1>X or maybe older generations, we tend to think of

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>space exploration as a NASA thing, the truth is that

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.959
<v Speaker 1>the technologies that are used in space exploration come from

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of non governmental companies, you know, the private sector.

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not like NASA has a space ship factory where

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>the organization creates all the launch vehicles and spacecraft for

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 1>all the missions. You've got companies like Boeing, lockeed Raytheon,

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Northrop Grumman, and many others that are building the components

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>and the spacecraft that NASA uses. Add to that companies

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>like SpaceX, and you've got a heavily involved private sector.

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>And most companies won't quote share the assets we create

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>with all of humanity and of benevolence way up in

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>their mission statement. That's just not you know, important to them.

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Companies exist to make profit for those who run or

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>fund the company. So if the space industry is reliant

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>on these private sector entities to get things done, and

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>if those entities are going to be doing the heavy lifting,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even on the Moon, where gravity is just

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<v Speaker 1>one sixth of what we have here on Earth, then

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>it stands to reason that it's not likely a country

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<v Speaker 1>like the United States is going to agree to sign

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<v Speaker 1>over any resources that it harvests to some international body

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>that will determine how those resources can be used. And

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>that brings us up to a new proposal, one that

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>was first unveiled in the spring of twenty twenty, and

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>it is one proposed by NASA, has some early buy

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>in from a few countries and a few notable object actions,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's called the Artemis Accords, and I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>more about them after this quick break. In the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>NASA has announced plans to return to the Moon by

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four project Artemists, and aggressive schedule to be sure,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and one that I wonder if we can make in

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>a world that has been largely sidetracked by the COVID pandemic.

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I was skeptical we could achieve it without the COVID problem.

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>With the COVID problem, I'm really skeptical. Doesn't mean it's impossible,

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>but it's going to require a whole lot of work. However,

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>assuming that all plans are still pointing to a new

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>crew going to to the Moon and we would actually

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>see the first woman visit Earth's natural satellite on that mission,

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>then NASA wants to work out some rules and set

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>x spectations as well as create standards and things like

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>the equipment that we would use in lunar operations to

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>allow for international cooperation. Now, standards are important because everything

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 1>really needs to work well together. Think of it as

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<v Speaker 1>being almost modular, like the International Space Station was designed

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>in such a way. So one obvious example of why

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<v Speaker 1>this is important would be docking mechanisms. It's important to

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>standardize them so that any two spacecraft, no matter where

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>they are from or who built them, would be able

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>to dock with one another safely and securely so that

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>they could you know, share resources or or do a

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>rescue operation or whatever it may be. But as Christopher Johnson,

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>a space law advisor, and you know how cool is

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 1>that title. But as Christopher Johnson has said, quote, We're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to wait to negotiate a treaty that we

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<v Speaker 1>think is in our national interest end quote, we being

0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the United States. See treaties take a lot of time

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>because you've got so many different parties that are involved

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that might object to one part over another, and then

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>you have to amend it and you know, end up

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>showing it to everybody again see if there are any

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>other objections. And you're talking about numerous committee meetings and

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.719
<v Speaker 1>drafts and approvals and ratification steps, and at the end

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>of that process, there's no guarantee that the outcome that

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the actual treaty that's been drafted is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>one that the United States would agree to in the

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>first place. So instead, we're gonna make our own Moon

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>agreement with black Jack and wait, no, sorry, sorry, got

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Futurama there for a second. Anyway, NASA's alternative to this,

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>to to waiting around for another treaty or you know,

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 1>ratifying the nineteen seventy nine Moon Agreement, happens to be

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<v Speaker 1>the Artemis Accords. Now, these are named after the mythological

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>artemists twin sister to a follow the Goddess of the

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Moon and also Goddess of the Hunt, and lots of

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>other stuff. NASA unveiled these accords on May twenty. The

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>actual signing of the accords happened in October twenty twenty.

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 1>More on that in just a minute. The subtitle for

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<v Speaker 1>the accords is Principles for Cooperation in the Civil Exploration

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>and Use of the Moon, Mars, Comets and Asteroids for

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Peaceful Purposes. So already you can see that this appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be treading, you know, familiar ground or regulars I guess,

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.360
<v Speaker 1>as the Moon Agreement from the United Nations and the

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:41.879
<v Speaker 1>Treaty Outer Space Treaty before that. But there are some

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<v Speaker 1>important differences, the big one being about all that exploitation

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>of resources. But I'll get to that in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>So the accords state that quote the principles set out

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<v Speaker 1>in these Accords are intended to apply to civil space

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 1>activities conducted by the civil space agencies of each signatory.

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<v Speaker 1>These activities may take place on the Moon, Mars, comets

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<v Speaker 1>and asteroids, including their surfaces and subsurfaces, as well as

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>in orbit of the Moon or Mars, in the Lagrangian

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>points for the Earth Moon system, and in transit between

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 1>these celestial bodies and locations. End quote. Now, the accords

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<v Speaker 1>have some sections that are pretty much in alignment with

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<v Speaker 1>the articles, or at least some of the articles from

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the Outer Space treaty. There are sections about releasing scientific

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 1>data gathered during experiments in order to benefit all of humanity.

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:37.759
<v Speaker 1>For example, there's also a section that stresses the importance

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 1>of all activities on the Moon and Mars, etcetera, should

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:45.280
<v Speaker 1>be for peaceful purposes. There's another section that's about keeping

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 1>outer space heritage such as moon landing sites safe, as

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>these are records of important historical events. But then we

0:35:54.560 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>get to section ten space resources. Under Section ten ub

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<v Speaker 1>section two, we get the following passage quote, the signatories

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<v Speaker 1>affirm that the extraction of space resources does not inherently

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<v Speaker 1>constitute national appropriation under Article two of the Outer Space Treaty,

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and that contracts and other legal instruments related to space

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 1>resources should be consistent with that treaty end quote. Now,

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 1>if we dip back to Article two of the other

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Space Treaty, that's the one that says no one can

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<v Speaker 1>claim a part of space as belonging to any particular

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<v Speaker 1>nation or entity. So, in a way, the accords liken

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<v Speaker 1>the extraction of resources in space to what we do

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 1>with oceans. So nations can extract resources from otions, even

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<v Speaker 1>into international waters. You can do that to an extent anyway,

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>but no nation can claim the oceans for its own. Likewise,

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>the accords allow for a little more wiggle room. You

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>can't claim the Moon, for example, but you could claim

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the stuff you mine from the Moon. Since the U

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 1>n's Moon Agreement has only a few signatories on it,

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and only one of those has ever attempted a lunar mission,

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 1>and that one failed, the Artemis Accords could become a

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<v Speaker 1>real set of standards for lunar exploration and exploitation, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the principles for mining mars and asteroids and

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 1>comments and whatnot. Eight nations have signed the Accords in

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<v Speaker 1>October as founding members. They are, in alphabetical order, Australia, Canada, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg,

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 1>United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, and the United States of America. Interestingly,

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Australia was also a party to the Moon Agreement, though

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>not a signatory. NASA plans to add more nations to

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the Accords over time, having them sign on. But there

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>are a couple of glaring gaps in that list that

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 1>are not likely to join anytime soon, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a problem. And one of the big

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 1>ones is Russia. While it's been decades since the dissolution

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of the Soviet Union, Russia has carried on the tradition

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>of space exploration. Heck, one of the reasons the private

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>space industry is so important in the United States is

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>that it is an alternative to depending upon Russia when

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>it comes to launching missions with a crew up into space.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the space Shuttle program ended, the United States didn't

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>have an alternative, and so we've had to depend upon

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Russian spacecraft to get people up and back to space

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<v Speaker 1>and from space. But Russia did not sign the Artemis Accords,

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<v Speaker 1>so that ends up being an issue. Dmitri Regozzen, the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the Russian space program, called out the accords

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<v Speaker 1>for being quote to US centric end quote of NASA's

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>plan to return earned to the Moon in general, just

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the Artemist project, not the Accords in particular. He has said,

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<v Speaker 1>quote with the lunar project, we are observing the departure

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 1>of our American partners from the principles of cooperation and

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:17.279
<v Speaker 1>mutual support that developed during cooperation on the I s S,

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<v Speaker 1>the International Space Station. They see their program not as international,

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:27.320
<v Speaker 1>but similar to NATO, there is America, everyone else must

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>help and pay to be honest, we are not interested

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 1>in participating in such a project. End quote. As for

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>the Artemis Accords themselves, according to the Verge, he actually

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>compared those to a lunar invasion in a tweet that

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>has since been deleted. Yikes. Now, some might dismiss the

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:51.839
<v Speaker 1>objections of Russia as pure political posturing to be alliterative,

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:55.279
<v Speaker 1>but I'd say Demitri is not alone in criticizing the

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 1>Artemis Accords. Uh. Aaron Bowley and Michael Buyer's Uh. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are two researchers. They wrote a piece for the Policy

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<v Speaker 1>Forum of Science magazine, and they said that the Accords

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>were problematic. The pieces titled U S Policy puts the

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 1>safe development of space at Risk, which kind of gives

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you an indication of how they feel about this. They

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:22.320
<v Speaker 1>state that the Accords quote, if accepted by many nations,

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 1>could enable the U S interpretation of international space law

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 1>to prevail and make the United States, as the licensing

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 1>nation for most of the world's space companies, the de

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>facto gatekeeper to the Moon, asteroids, and other celestial bodies

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 1>end quote. Buyers and Bulli argue that the Accords are

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.840
<v Speaker 1>a thinly veiled effort to further the commercial interests of

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the United States without regard for the international community or

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.399
<v Speaker 1>the principles behind the Outer Space Treaty. Now, the other

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.720
<v Speaker 1>big absence from the list of countries that have signed

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the accords would be China. China hasn't necessarily refused to

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>sign the same way Russia did. I mean, the Chinese

0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 1>government might very well agree with Russia's point of view,

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>but whether that's the case or not, it's a moot point.

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Because NASA isn't allowed to engage with China. It's against

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the law. See back in two, US Representative John Culberson

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>from Texas urged then President Barack Obama against cooperating with

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<v Speaker 1>China's space program. He argued that the Chinese government was

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>not being transparent about the goals of their space program,

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 1>and that by aiding China, the United States could be

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:38.800
<v Speaker 1>putting itself and other nations in danger. Further down the line,

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that would lead to Congress eventually proposing and passing a

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>law that says, quote, none of the funds made available

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 1>by this division may be used for the National Aeronautics

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 1>and Space Administration or the Office of Science and Technology

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Policy to develop design plan promulgate, implement, or execute a

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 1>bile out ural policy, program, order, or contract of any kind,

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:09.239
<v Speaker 1>to participate, collaborate, or coordinate bilaterally in any way with

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.919
<v Speaker 1>China or any Chinese owned company unless such activities are

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>specifically authorized by a law enacted after the date of

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 1>enactment of this division end quote. So yeah, that's off limits.

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 1>NASA officials have said that the agency stands ready to

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>engage with China should Congress ever change this law. Ever,

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, put a new law in place that would

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 1>allow such a thing, But that largely depends upon how

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 1>China behaves in general. And I would say that right now,

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>signs are not particularly positive as far as things changing

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 1>enough for Congress to reverse that previous decision. And so

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 1>there is very little chance China is going to join

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the accords in the near future, and that represents a

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty big problem. A lot of the accords focuses on

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff like way is to avoid conflict and reducing the

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 1>chance for problems with stuff like space debris. But if

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 1>two major space powers either can't or won't sign those accords,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's not particularly helpful. The US might use the

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<v Speaker 1>accords to justify its own operations on in space kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a see, we're behaving by the rules that we

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<v Speaker 1>happen to have set up for everybody else. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>that not everyone agreed to play by those rules, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>And I realized this comes across as being a bit cynical,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also think it's kind of how things are

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<v Speaker 1>shaking out. The reality of the situation is we've already

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<v Speaker 1>seen some initial steps toward a future where space mining

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<v Speaker 1>is a real thing, whether it's on the Moon or

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<v Speaker 1>asteroids or comets or Mars or whatever. In fourteen, the

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<v Speaker 1>Rosetta orbiter was the first man made object to soft

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<v Speaker 1>land on a comet nucleus. As I record this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a spacecraft called Osiris Rex that is preparing

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<v Speaker 1>to touch down on an asteroid in order to gather

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<v Speaker 1>samples from that asteroid and then return back to Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a NASA project. There are numerous companies that are

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<v Speaker 1>aiming to make asteroid mining and space mining a real industry.

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<v Speaker 1>They are working toward that right now, and so having

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<v Speaker 1>some rules seems like it would be a really good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But I definitely can understand why researchers and some nations

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<v Speaker 1>might object to those rules coming from one specific country

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone else agrees to go along with it, especially

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<v Speaker 1>a country that has a very large vested interest in

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<v Speaker 1>the space industry, as opposed to an agreement that has

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<v Speaker 1>been arrived at through international treaty processes. Will these accords

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<v Speaker 1>go down in history as an agreement that led to

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<v Speaker 1>an unprecedented era of space exploration and exploitation, or will

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<v Speaker 1>they be held up as the United States attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>justify practices that the international community hasn't really signed off

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<v Speaker 1>on at large? What will Russia and China end up doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Is space destined to become the next Gold Rush land grab? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what treaties are supposed to prevent. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being honest, I think we're gonna be in for

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<v Speaker 1>a few messy decades on this one unless we see

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<v Speaker 1>some real international cooperation on the treaty front that has

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<v Speaker 1>buy in from multiple states. And I just don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how that's gonna happen in a world where too many

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<v Speaker 1>parties see potential profit out in space. There's there's too

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<v Speaker 1>many interests that conflict with one another, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just gonna be a rough thing to work out

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<v Speaker 1>and it's coming. It may not be you know, within

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<v Speaker 1>the next five years or so, but I'm certain within

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<v Speaker 1>my lifetime it's gonna end up being a bigger deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope we can work that out well. That

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<v Speaker 1>rab so this episode about Space Treatise and Moon Agreements

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<v Speaker 1>and Artemis Accords, and it really does tie back into technology,

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<v Speaker 1>and in multiple ways, not just the technology that requires

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<v Speaker 1>us to get out there and make this stuff happen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to have like a viable mining operation or

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<v Speaker 1>lunar you know, base or whatever. It also ties back

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<v Speaker 1>in because the resources we might mind, some of those

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<v Speaker 1>might come back to Earth and end up being part

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<v Speaker 1>of the next generation of technological gadgets we depend upon,

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<v Speaker 1>and it helps us get around things like the problems

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<v Speaker 1>we find with rare earth metals, although honestly, the real

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<v Speaker 1>pub problem with rare earth metals isn't necessarily their scarcity

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<v Speaker 1>so much as the ethics behind it. But that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's a topic for another episode entirely. As for this one,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for me to sign off. If you guys

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