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Speaker 1: This is my legacy. Welcome to this week's bonus Drop. Today,

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Speaker 1: in honor of Mother's Day, we're celebrating the women who

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Speaker 1: shape us and wage the world rarely sees. You'll hear

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Speaker 1: more from our powerful conversations with Sarah Jakes Robbers and

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Speaker 1: her incredible mother, Serena Jakes, going deeper into their relationship

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Speaker 1: to understand the love, the sacrifice, and the life lessons

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Speaker 1: that shape Sarah to the incredible leader she is today.

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Speaker 1: This is an episode to share with every mother, mentor,

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Speaker 1: and nurturer who's helped you become who you are.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, Missus Jakes.

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Speaker 3: People see Sarah's platform today, and one way I can

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Speaker 3: say it is people see the glory but really don't

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Speaker 3: know the story. Because we often think we know someone

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Speaker 3: through what we've seen, But then when you really hear

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Speaker 3: the triumphs, the overcoming, it lands a different way. When

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Speaker 3: is it that you, Missus Jakes saw the spark and

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Speaker 3: Sarah knew that she was not going to just survive,

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Speaker 3: but actually thrive.

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Speaker 4: You know, someone asked me something very similar the other

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Speaker 4: day about Sarah and her drive and her inclination to

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Speaker 4: be more than what she was, or to go after

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Speaker 4: what she wanted to go after. And I would say

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Speaker 4: that was in a ride to church one Sunday morning

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Speaker 4: as an infant, she cried for thirty minutes, the whole

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Speaker 4: entire drive.

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Speaker 5: What did y'all do to me? Okay, I have the

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Speaker 5: whole story.

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Speaker 4: It was interesting and it was like she will not

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Speaker 4: be denied. Or then when she would get cold, I'm cold, daddy,

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Speaker 4: and he would take off his coat. I'm hungry, daddy.

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Speaker 4: He would pull over to McDonald's. Sarah has a way

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Speaker 4: of talking you into being who God intends for you

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Speaker 4: to be and to do it right now. She I mean,

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Speaker 4: she has the way of I call her my first

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Speaker 4: lady because Sarah speaks so much truth to me when

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Speaker 4: I need to hear it in a way that I

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Speaker 4: need to hear it that has encouraged me to move forward.

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Speaker 4: She's phenomenal at getting in your head and regulating your heart,

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Speaker 4: and so.

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Speaker 6: She does that.

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Speaker 4: I see it on the stage. I see it with

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Speaker 4: her children, I see it with her husband, I see

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Speaker 4: it with her siblings. She's the one that always brings logic.

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Speaker 4: So when everybody's in an uproar, Sarah's the one that

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Speaker 4: says soul how do you feel about that, what's making you,

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Speaker 4: what's triggering you. You know, she gets in your head

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Speaker 4: so that you can govern your heart. So I think

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Speaker 4: that she's always been a force to be reckoned with.

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Speaker 4: And even in her brokenness, she overcame. She did whatever

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Speaker 4: she had to do to take care of her son,

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Speaker 4: whatever she needed to do to take care of her household,

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Speaker 4: Even in a marriage that was in all disarray. She

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Speaker 4: was never the one to come over and say, I'm

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Speaker 4: so sick of him, I'm tired of him. We never

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Speaker 4: knew until she'd had enough. And when a woman's fed.

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Speaker 5: Up, it's too late to talk about it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, can I say, though, to the point of the

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Speaker 6: podcast being about legacy, this is my belief. So when

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Speaker 6: people hear me speak, I think the low hanging fruit.

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Speaker 6: The easy thing to say is, oh my God, she's

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Speaker 6: stepping into her father's footsteps, and she's doing exactly what

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Speaker 6: her father did. And I honor my father, and I

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Speaker 6: believe so much about what I understand about God and

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Speaker 6: people is a part of what I have seen him

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Speaker 6: demonstrate through his ministry and what he's allowed me to

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Speaker 6: be exposed to. However, I will say that I believe

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Speaker 6: wholeheartedly that I am the woman in ministry that my

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Speaker 6: mother did not have permission to be.

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Speaker 5: That's deep. I'm glad I've got on boots.

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Speaker 6: When people talk about the things that they like about

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Speaker 6: me or love about me, they are all the things

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Speaker 6: that I attribute to my mother's presence in my life.

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Speaker 6: My mother was a woman at a different time, in

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Speaker 6: a different error, and women in ministry looked a lot

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Speaker 6: different when she was coming up, and my mother's ability

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Speaker 6: to give me permission to be who I was was

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Speaker 6: a seed that made me want to give other women

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Speaker 6: I love that people see that connection between me and

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Speaker 5: Part of the reason why I even wanted her on here.

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Speaker 6: Is because she is the secret sauce of who I am,

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Speaker 6: and I feel like my legacy is to make sure

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Speaker 6: that my mother is remembered. My legacy is to make

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Speaker 6: sure that who she is lives on in the earth.

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Speaker 6: I've got her mother's obituary in my office. My kids

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Speaker 6: know about my granny. My granny died when I was

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Speaker 6: seven years old, and my kids know about her smelling

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Speaker 6: like cherry almond lotion and making sure that we are

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Speaker 6: all moisturized than fed, because I just feel like she's

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Speaker 6: too significant to be in anyone's shadow. And I think

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Speaker 6: every time the light is on me, it's on us

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Speaker 6: because I got to be who she wasn't able to

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Speaker 6: be at the time, and I just I love that

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Speaker 6: this is an opportunity for me to share who she

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Speaker 6: am is just directly connected to who she is directly.

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Speaker 1: And for all of our listeners who are listening and

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Speaker 1: not watching, your mom is tearing up everything that you've said.

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Speaker 1: She's she's just it's bringing tears.

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Speaker 2: To her eyes.

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Speaker 1: So it's you and to us here in the in

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Speaker 1: the room. So it's beautiful.

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Speaker 6: I think anyone who's had obviously I won't speak for

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Speaker 6: everyone's experiences, but I know enough people who've had.

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Speaker 5: You know a father who had.

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Speaker 6: To go out and change the world and answer the

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Speaker 6: call that was on his life. The woman who says,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to stay home and make sure you have

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Speaker 6: somewhere to come home to.

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna make sure the kids are good. I want

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Speaker 6: to make sure that when you need support, I'll be

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Speaker 6: there for you. I'll be both in some way. I

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Speaker 6: just don't know that that sacrifice is always fully seen

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Speaker 6: because the it is always on the person who is

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Speaker 6: maybe drawing the crowds and giving the speeches and saying

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Speaker 6: the words. And I just everyone in our house knows

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Speaker 6: that Mama is the glue. She's the heartbeat of our home.

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Speaker 6: And I mean it's just indisputable. She literally is the

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Speaker 6: people's champ. And she's like just so pint sized. You

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Speaker 6: would her voice is so soft you think, oh my god,

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Speaker 6: you wouldn't hurt a fly, honey.

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Speaker 5: She'd take a fly and shoot it. She did. She

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Speaker 5: let her slip was shown a little bit. She just

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Speaker 5: lets us that. But she is She's just resilience encouraged.

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Speaker 1: I love too when you said the way in which

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Speaker 1: you said that she was doing both. You know, so

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Speaker 1: she was you know, at home and making sure that

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Speaker 1: the kids, when you know, were taken care of and

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Speaker 1: that you know, the household, and at the same time

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Speaker 1: she was also doing her ministry. So that balance the

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Speaker 1: power of doing both. Yeah, tremendous, phenomenal woman. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about you all's relationship and the

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Speaker 1: dynamic between that mother daughter relationship and Sarah, I guess

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you, and I would like to know

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Speaker 1: how have you worked through your own mother daughter wounds?

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Speaker 1: We all have them, right and what have you learned

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Speaker 1: about grace in that process, don't?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know that I felt like I

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Speaker 6: had mother wounds. My mother, she was really a gentle

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Speaker 6: parent before gentle parenting became a thing. I can remember

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Speaker 6: the one time we almost had an argument. I was

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Speaker 6: living in a townhouse. I remember I was laying in

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Speaker 6: didn't like it. And at this point, I was like nineteen,

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Speaker 6: but at my nineteen I was, you know, living on

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Speaker 6: my own. Gross, I was like grown. And she said

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Speaker 6: you mad at me? And I was like I think so,

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Speaker 6: and she was like what did I say? Like she

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Speaker 6: took the time to really unpack what it was. And

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Speaker 6: so I think that my mom being so approachable and

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Speaker 6: She was always so open and honest about her story,

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Speaker 6: Like I'm telling you, the things that people enjoy the

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Speaker 6: are like my transparency, my vulnerability. My mother modeled that

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Speaker 6: for me and so I think maybe if I thought

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Speaker 6: of anything that maybe I had to expand and my definition.

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Speaker 5: Of motherhood, maybe it was giving.

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Speaker 6: Myself permission to have that transparency and vulnerability outside of

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Speaker 6: the context of more intimate relationships. I think to not

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Speaker 6: necessarily feel like I had to play into respectability in

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Speaker 6: that maybe that was something. Do you ever cringe when

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Speaker 6: I'm saying things like, oh, You're not supposed to be

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Speaker 6: saying that, because I feel like sometimes in my head

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Speaker 6: I may be wondering, like, oh, my gosh, I hope

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Speaker 6: that I haven't gone too far in my mom's now.

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Speaker 1: And but missus Jakes, because as Sarah just said, the

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Speaker 1: whole gentle parenting, you know, that's that's a newer trend.

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Speaker 5: Right, I mean.

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Speaker 1: In the South, you know, that wasn't necessarily our experience

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Speaker 1: in the sense of did where did that come from?

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Speaker 1: Do you think is that just how.

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Speaker 4: My aunt from the age of six months old until

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Speaker 4: I graduated high school, and so I was raised as

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Speaker 4: an only child. So I don't know. I just think

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Speaker 4: it's my personality. I think it's too much energy to

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Speaker 5: She wasn't good at it either. She wasn't good a whooping.

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Speaker 6: The paper one time, and I can literally remember her

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Speaker 6: being like, so you're not I was not petrified. I

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Speaker 6: was right, now, you're not gonna cry. You're not gonna cry.

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Speaker 6: She was literally whooping me talking about so you're not

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Speaker 6: you girl were playing girl, what's for dinner? So I

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Speaker 6: think she had to use her words. She wasn't very

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Speaker 6: good at it. You it is kind of your nature though,

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Speaker 6: like she doesn't really like confrontation. And then I think,

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Speaker 6: because she was raised by her aunt and as an

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Speaker 6: always really important to her. And so I think the

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Speaker 6: idea of whether it was like abandonment or whatever, the

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Speaker 6: idea of I don't want you to feel like you

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Speaker 6: have to leave me, or that I'm going to leave you,

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Speaker 6: I think it has made her work extra hard to

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Speaker 6: be present even in difficult moments. So you know me

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Speaker 6: so well, I just thinking about you.

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Speaker 1: Our daughter is a only child as well, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: at this point, she doesn't even have any cousins. She's

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Speaker 1: the only child, only grandchild on both both sides, and

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Speaker 1: I find that with her connection is very important because of.

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Speaker 4: It so important, so important, I like, we'll talk later,

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Speaker 4: that abandonment. I don't want to run you away, you know,

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Speaker 4: I want you like I'll give you my doll if

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Speaker 4: you play with me, that sort of thing. And now,

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Speaker 4: even with the church, I take care of the little

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Speaker 4: me moms. I make sure on mothers stay that they

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Speaker 4: have something, the little kids have something. I'm a giver

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Speaker 4: by nature. I just got this whole bag where I'm

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Speaker 4: just cool like that everything that's for me.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's.

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Speaker 4: Too much energy. It's too much to calm down.

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Speaker 5: We'll say too.

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Speaker 6: I think our personalities are very similar too, because I

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well it's it's like you make me want to

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Speaker 1: Listeners coming up on My Legacy, Sarah shares how she

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Speaker 1: stopped chasing power and found peace instead loved it. Please

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Speaker 2: Now back to My Legacy.

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Speaker 1: Now in your most recent book and you have quite

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Speaker 1: a bit. You're prolific writer. Power moves. You talk about

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Speaker 5: That's a great question.

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Speaker 6: Part of the reason why I wrote this book is

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Speaker 5: And so surrendering these preconceived notions of power and letting

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Speaker 6: It's not about making a power move, It's about allowing

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Speaker 1: And you just use the term surrender. So, because I

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Speaker 6: And yet I would offer these women an opportunity to

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Speaker 6: thinking about someone holding onto something so tight, like you

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Speaker 6: It's so tight that you don't realize what all is

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Speaker 6: still valuable. I can still have peace and I can

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Speaker 6: still have joy. But strategy, creativity, it needs a vast playground,

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Speaker 6: right and sometimes we don't always experience that vast playground

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Speaker 5: But if we can.

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Speaker 6: Believe that peace comes in different shapes and size, is

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Speaker 6: that joy comes in different shapes? In side, is that

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Speaker 6: success comes in different shapes and sizes, we may be

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Speaker 2: Beautiful.

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