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Speaker 1: Welcome back to More to It to show the text

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment,

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Speaker 1: Then journey to deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons

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Speaker 1: that are presented in every single story. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Marcel Swilely. That dude that started off like we always

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Speaker 1: started off with, what's up with that dude? I was

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Speaker 1: in the backyard yesterday had a visitor, an event planner

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Speaker 1: that I've known for over maybe thirty years at least

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Speaker 1: in the twenties for sure. My man Darren Matthews got

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Speaker 1: to give him the full name government name because he

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Speaker 1: used to throw those parties when I was younger that

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Speaker 1: I heard about and I couldn't get into, like you know, in.

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Speaker 2: College, and you hear about all those Laker parties.

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Speaker 1: And stuff, and then you look up and Darren Matthews

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Speaker 1: man did a lot with Shack all those kind of casts,

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Speaker 1: and then I could get into those parties.

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Speaker 2: And LA had like everything, and we always had rivalries.

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Speaker 1: We had west Side, east Side, we had crypt Blood, right,

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Speaker 1: we had Darren Matthews, and then we had Dave and Daryl,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I went with Dave

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Speaker 1: and Daryl because I was in the zone and they

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Speaker 1: were more accessible in the moment when I first met him.

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Speaker 2: And now they blew up too. I helped a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Kn't lie about that.

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Speaker 1: They boys with Jamie Fox, did all those big Jamie

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Speaker 1: Fox parties. They Brown and Jamie Fox super tight, if

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Speaker 1: not best friends. So anyway, Darren came through yesterday, man,

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Speaker 1: and we're doing some of the foundation stuff and we're

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Speaker 1: looking obviously at public parties, but also some private charity parties.

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Speaker 1: So how do you dress up your backyard to entertain

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Speaker 1: your folks, your people? You know, some watch parties. I

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Speaker 1: really on the Chargers road games. I like to stay

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Speaker 1: at the crib. I don't go to the Rams home games.

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Speaker 1: Gotta stay loyal. I'm gonna go to one. Now I

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Speaker 1: gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to that Eagles game. All right, he got invited.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, boy, But you know, throw our foundation

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Speaker 1: parties and just have people walking around having fun fundation

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Speaker 1: as I call it, and just chilling, you know, kid friendly.

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Speaker 1: So the kids in the pool, kids up there playing basketball,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then we're gonna have some pickleball tournaments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Three point contests, tournaments. Yeah, we're gonna raise some money. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Darren came through, helped me envision that, help me

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Speaker 1: figure out what that looks like. So all love to

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Speaker 1: d Matthews used to run the Sentry Club too, or

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Speaker 1: at least being involved with that.

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Speaker 2: And if y'all know La, and y'all know the Sentry Club,

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Speaker 2: that was the Apex that was the biggest dog.

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Speaker 1: I think LA has ever had someone say Graystone or

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Speaker 1: what they call it now Nightingale.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all, boy, I'm talking about when they have

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Speaker 1: drink tickets and VIP wristbands like it used to be

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Speaker 2: And Gino at the door.

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Speaker 1: Asked anybody in LA around my age about Geno, They

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Speaker 1: all gonna shrink.

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Speaker 2: Damn. Gino was hard to get along with.

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Speaker 1: To the point where he did his job was the

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Speaker 1: point former policeman, so he wasn't scared of nothing.

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Speaker 2: Doorman too.

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Speaker 1: And Gino when he got on my good side, or

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Speaker 2: Oh life change.

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Speaker 1: I rolled up there with all the ladies, all the

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Speaker 1: homies on Gino like got you, Wally, but you always

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Speaker 1: had to shake his hand with a Benjamin or at

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Speaker 1: least some president, maybe even bigger than that.

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Speaker 2: So love to all that man. It was a good time.

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Speaker 1: And after that we filmed for my wife what She's

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Speaker 2: That was love.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's weird still because scandals always occurred, then

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Speaker 1: they got to talk about it, which makes me feel scandalous,

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Speaker 1: right because I'm the husband of somebody who knows people

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Speaker 2: Information and intel, and oh why should I approach it?

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I get perturbed when people call me

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Speaker 1: Oh no, No, I'm just saying. I'm like, that's the

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Speaker 1: catching people when they say, I'm just saying, everybody out there,

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Speaker 1: it feels like it's my problem right now, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not a fan of that. But two, if there's a

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Speaker 1: direct approach, there's a direct flight to that destination instead

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Speaker 1: of this layover you're doing with me. I ain't so layover.

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Speaker 1: So all love, man, we got it in. It was

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Speaker 1: good time. Itdy biddies are now just running around. It's

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Speaker 1: sense of when they're in school, they got to go

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Speaker 1: through a lot. One kids got to be on their

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Speaker 1: home because at home they're testing their limits. At home,

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Speaker 1: they're learning. At home, they're just risking everything. They're risking

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Speaker 1: it all because you're gonna catch me right right, daddy. But

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Speaker 1: at school, oh man, they on some good behavior relative

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Speaker 1: to their normal behavior. So that's a lot for a

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Speaker 1: kid eight nine months is just being on and being

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Speaker 1: ready and being good. And they're three four seven years old.

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Speaker 1: Come on now, So when they get off, I let

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Speaker 1: them get off. Rest that body, Rest that brain, so

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Speaker 1: all love right here.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Something that needs the rest is the criticism that is

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Speaker 1: going on in this world right now. Well, let me

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Speaker 1: just say, let's converse sate about this criticism with Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes's wife, who's under fire over a dolphin photo. Right,

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Speaker 1: y'all crazy, somebody said this is cruelty. I know where

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Speaker 1: we're going and I'm a right time, but let's get

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Speaker 1: into it, all right. So Patrick Mahons's wife, Brittany Matthews

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Speaker 1: Mahomes was called out over her quote unquote.

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Speaker 2: Ignorance of wild animals being kept in captivity.

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Speaker 1: Damn, I'm guilty too, I guess let's talk about seven

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Speaker 2: She was a professional women's soccer star.

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Speaker 1: Ah DNA breathing, gotta do it right. And they shared

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Speaker 1: a photo of her swimming with dolphins while visiting a park,

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Speaker 1: and Brittany shared a series of photos with the dolphins

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Speaker 1: of the Marine theme Park, holding her daughter in her

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Speaker 2: Flipper.

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Speaker 1: Damn, who didn't love Flipper? Stop playing? You're trying to

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Speaker 1: tell me if I saw Flipper out there, I can't

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Speaker 1: kick it with Flipper. Call me what you want, call

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Speaker 1: me crue Flipper.

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Speaker 2: Don't think so. Shoot.

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Speaker 1: But Flipper was out in the ocean, out in the water.

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Speaker 1: I hear you, oh man. So she captured the snapshots,

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Speaker 1: and she said ever snuggled a four hundred pound dolphin.

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Speaker 1: She went on to share a number of photos in

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Speaker 1: which she was holding on to the dolphins dorsal fin

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Speaker 1: as she swam alongside to seeing, Mammo, that's dope. Like

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Speaker 1: I've seen people do that. I ain't doing that, not

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Speaker 1: because I'm scared of the dolphin or anything that he

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Speaker 1: it's just when we ride. When we went third year,

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Speaker 2: I don't think water and brain's supposed to mix. That

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Speaker 1: So the World Animal Protection has previously slammed the keeping

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Speaker 1: of dolphins in captivity. Dolphin entertainment is extreme animal cruelty

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Speaker 1: masquerading as innocent family fund. Well, they certainly suckered me

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Speaker 1: I love going to sea World. The Animal Rights Organization

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Speaker 1: released a report this year titled.

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Speaker 2: Behind the Smile.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I need to see this so I could be

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Speaker 1: educated after investigating the impact of dolphinariums all right, citing

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Speaker 1: poor water treatment methods and use of harsh, harmful chemicals

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Speaker 1: as a lack of living space in their tiny tanks

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Speaker 1: All that sounds real, I can't. It ain't no arguments there.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, damn, what am I to do? Is

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Speaker 1: anything perfect in this world? No, let's talk about that soon.

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Speaker 1: So she got slammed and the examples include here's some quotes.

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Speaker 1: This is so disappointing and appalling that you are so

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Speaker 1: clueless to the plight of kidnapped and captive animals forced

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Speaker 1: to do this shit. Please educate yourself on dolphins in captivity.

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Speaker 1: It is hell for these beautiful creatures. This is really

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Speaker 1: or or maybe she did have prior knowledge and She's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well the dolphins show is smiling, or the dolphin is

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Speaker 2: They're actually being mistreated. Maybe they're not.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but they don't always say somebody's ignorant.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes people just you ever run a stop side you

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Speaker 1: I gotta get somewhere. Ain't nobody here who doesn't do that.

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Speaker 1: Stop signs in shopping malls that are empty never get

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Speaker 1: stopped at. I see it all the time, Like, come on, man, jaywalkin.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry you're ignorant to the jay. Like some things,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna get into it, y'all. I

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Speaker 1: haven't even given you my opinion yet. So very few

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Speaker 1: comments of support, but she has some. Jesus Christ, everyone,

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Speaker 1: she's on vacation. The dolphin is not in her backyard,

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Speaker 1: even though they got.

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Speaker 2: Enough money to have one.

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Speaker 1: God dang got to have a billion on one deal,

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Speaker 2: This calm down, Oh, I so love this.

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Speaker 1: Teaching her children to love the ocean and its inhabitants.

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Speaker 1: Loving that dolphin is precious. Okay, so let's just start

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Speaker 1: off in general.

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Speaker 2: You know how we do on this show.

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Speaker 1: We're here to learn or unlearn, but we gonna tell

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Speaker 1: the truth, which is the truth we live and then

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Speaker 1: the truth that is real. All right, So you're with Brittany,

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Speaker 1: are you with the animal rights activists?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Key word with activists a lot of times is act.

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Speaker 1: It ain't the root of it, but it's act.

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Speaker 2: Like what are you acting on? Right? Because man animal activists? Okay,

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Speaker 2: So you.

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Speaker 1: Don't eat meat right, right? Because that kills animals?

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Speaker 2: Right? You don't want to eat me?

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Speaker 1: So you're a vegetarian, right, but the pesticides kill animals

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Speaker 1: and it's bad for the environment. Oh, you don't eat

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Speaker 2: What do you do? You know what I mean? That's

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Speaker 2: the problem with being a crusader.

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Speaker 1: Like as soon as you point where they say you

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Speaker 2: Right? And then whoever's walking that dog is mad?

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Speaker 1: So let's just see what they're talking about, because I

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Speaker 1: whoever you are. Trevor Phillips is your name, Let's talk

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Speaker 1: Since you said I gotta call him that unlet's you're

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Speaker 2: So I was.

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Speaker 1: They said that she wasn't really in touch with her

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Speaker 2: He must be killing it. Tucker, call some plus, all right.

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Speaker 1: So he said that she had to quote unquote learn

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Speaker 1: Okay, my kids growing up in a multi motim t

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Speaker 1: Everybody was speaking to me, even if they had jokes.

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Speaker 1: Why because I was the MVP. Why because I was

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Speaker 1: He said, most wealthy she grew up in LA in

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Speaker 1: I'll check this out. Well, let me do it in Meghan,

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Speaker 1: how do you be black?

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Speaker 2: What the what the funk? Is this? All right? Oh? Man? So?

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Speaker 1: And in that sense, it's why I think she squandered

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Speaker 1: Damn, a bunch of mixed race people out there, like

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Speaker 1: until then I had been treated like a mixed woman,

433
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: and things really shifted. I don't want to call her

434
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: a liar, but isn't this her second marriage. I'm ninety

435
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: nine point nine percent sure of that. Matter of fact,

436
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: I think it's one hundred.

437
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 2: Percent because I know the dude she was married to

438
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: before or was with before, and he ain't black. He's white.

439
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 1: So this is the first time you ever had to

440
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 1: deal with this because you dated your white husband or

441
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 1: because he's the prince, because boy, you dated old white

442
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: guy before. I know one for sure, oh man, and

443
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 1: you went there. He's the he's one of the producers

444
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: on Snowfall. Man, that's any a great dude, cool dude

445
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 1: does tons in the community, kills it on what he

446
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: does as a producer. But suck, I made Snowfall and

447
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 1: you're trying to act like this is the first time

448
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: you learned about being black.

449
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: War stopped.

450
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: This is why people don't really like them fully, cause

451
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 1: you can kind of like just do I'm lazy with

452
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 1: my research on them because I'm not interested in that.

453
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm interested in the life conversations that come from them.

454
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: But damn you just.

455
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: First time you ever had to experience this because you

456
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: date a white guy now a husband. You're married to

457
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: the prince and he's white, and you would married to

458
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: a white guy before.

459
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 2: All right, So a lot of life lessons in this one.

460
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: Blacks can't be privileged. I just learned.

461
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: Psych that's a damn lazy sending them to poor. Stop

462
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: making black poor, Stop making black impoverish. Stop making black hood.

463
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: My block used to be all black, Now it's all Mexican.

464
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: The hood, the same hood is now not all black.

465
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: Stop making poor all black. It's some riches hell black people,

466
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: way rich rich, way rich rich. Don't even look at me,

467
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: y'allm a duck them. Y'all need to stop. I don't

468
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: know why it's the narrative. Why do people want to

469
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: hang on to that?

470
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: Because we all ain't got it.

471
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: Nobody got it in no race, in any race what

472
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: you're talking about, Nobody ever gonna get it. Let me

473
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: let me tell you if you're holding your breath for all, yeah,

474
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: never gonna breathe?

475
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: Why he isn't. I just made that one up, all right?

476
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: So I do like that she highlights the difference between

477
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: being mixed and black, because I think that's something that

478
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: needs to be untangled, because it's unfair to those who

479
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: have a black and white heritage, like they gotta pick

480
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: or we pick for them. You're black, and it's like,

481
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: wait a minute, from slavery, from what post slavery? And

482
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: what one drop rule? I'm black? Like what about white?

483
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm white too, right, right?

484
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: Right?

485
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: No, you're only black. That's how they gonna look at you.

486
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: Well how I look at myself, fool, That doesn't matter.

487
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: My God lead people out here tripping, right, So let's

488
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: get into this. Man, do you agree with anything? Trevor

489
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: Phillips said, I hope not, because y'all listen to me

490
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: that she had to learn to be black on the

491
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: job and then she made a mess of it. Now,

492
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: she made a mess of stuff, but I don't know

493
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: it's because she was black. Maybe because she's just messy,

494
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: uh leone l messy? Does this stands come off as

495
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: offensive to you?

496
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: Hell? Yeah it does?

497
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, do you agree that Megan and Harry mister

498
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: mark as mixed race role models?

499
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: What like?

500
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: Then Charles Barkley Benn tell you all about this role

501
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: model stuff. So I don't know about that, but I

502
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: want to see what you guys think in the comments.

503
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's get the bust of rhymes. Bust the

504
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: rhymes on our rock. Oh hmm, damn.

505
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: He raps so fresh and fast. Sometimes I don't catch it,

506
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,959
Speaker 1: and I'm bad with lyrics anyway.

507
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: But it's just another case of that old pt hey.

508
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: And when I first heard that song, I remember I

509
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: was watching MTV raps and that song came on.

510
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: I swear I said too things. One this group is

511
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: good and the album was good.

512
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: And two the guy that buster rhymes whatever, because I

513
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: was like, dinko.

514
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 2: Did I forgot the other one? Take it? I think

515
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: it was ding d. I was like star and I

516
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: was right.

517
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: I felt good about that, all right, So he walked

518
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: out of the interview after being questioned about gay rappers.

519
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: His comments about gay rappers were not only forever memorialized,

520
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: but Buster's reaction to even being asked a question touching

521
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: on LGB t Q I A plus ding ding ding ding.

522
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: You're right, Marcell's I get every letter right. I live

523
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: in La y'all, Oh, excuse me? And then the hip

524
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: hop world we're gonna have this conversation, right, So he

525
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: was included. Excuse me, did y'all hear that I was

526
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: a nasty burd? Sorry that came from deep though. It

527
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: ain't my fault.

528
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: Did I do that? It ain't my fault.

529
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: So Buster was included in the PBS documentary hip Hop

530
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: Beyond Beats and Rhymes, which touched on several topics that

531
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: proved to be difficult for those in the series to

532
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: be interviewed about. Oh, I like that they doing never

533
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: shut up? Hip hop stop thief, stop thief. More to it,

534
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: hip hop stop thief.

535
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: Oh man.

536
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: So so for Buster that meant talking about homophobia in

537
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: the hip hop culture.

538
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: I can't even talk to you about that.

539
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: That's what Buster Rhymes stated, with all due respect, I

540
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: ain't trying to offend nobody. What I represent culturally doesn't

541
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: condone it whatsoever.

542
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: Uh oh.

543
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: When he was asked about why there are not more

544
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: openly gay people in the world of hip hop and

545
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: why homophobia was so rampant, I don't like this, Buster,

546
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: What I represent culturally doesn't condone it whatsoever. That sounds

547
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: like a man detached from his persona, which is the

548
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be. But they asking you about you,

549
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: not the persona, not the brand, right, We'd ask him,

550
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: Buster Rhymes, and he kind of it sounds like in

551
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: this response he hid behind the brand. Not a fan

552
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: of that, all right, So, and a lot of questions

553
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: he continued on this path. Busta did not try to

554
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: explain anymore clearly than he had with the previous questions. Instead,

555
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: he chose to stand up and walk away from the interview,

556
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: which is his right. You know, if you had if

557
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: I sit down Marcello's, we want to ask you about

558
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: your best friend that died. Now I talk about it,

559
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: but if I didn't, I'm like, nah, I'm good. Well,

560
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, talk about death then, especially when you were

561
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: young and you know you had a tragic death in

562
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: your life, not talking about it, I said, And then

563
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: if they don't get the hint, guess what, No more hints.

564
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm just out, you know what I mean. That's where

565
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: ghosting came from. Ghosting came from. You ain't catch a

566
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: hint now, I ain't. Just ain't gonna say nothing, right,

567
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: So here we go, So past I winn This accounts

568
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: of bust arohnd two thousand and six and seven years later,

569
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: was him in restaurants saying the F word and cursing

570
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: people out that were transgender and gay?

571
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.

572
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going there because if that's behind him and

573
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: nobody else is bringing that up, I wasn't there, and

574
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem like that's what I should do.

575
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: But what I should do is talk about.

576
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: Why I leave the interview, and I should talk about

577
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: Buster rhymes talking and out the truth of this situation

578
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: and why isn't this something that's open and hip hop?

579
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: So I'm a mirrorad to the NFL when I played

580
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: and didn't know with and what a gay player that

581
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: became openly gay after he retired wasn't open when he

582
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: was with us with the Buffalo Bills, his name was

583
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: Ezra Twala.

584
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: Right, here's the thing.

585
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: Obviously, him coming out the closet was on his time

586
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: and we didn't know that clock schedule.

587
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: Right.

588
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: Obviously it's difficult for those who have to come out

589
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: the closet. But what we're talking about here Buster Rhymes

590
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: and what we are discussing is what a group like

591
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: the NFL, what a group like hip hop as an

592
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: art form culture and all his representatives, why aren't people

593
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: saying that?

594
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: Not more? Now?

595
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: Obviously it's not like absolute, But at the same time,

596
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: why isn't more guys coming out gay? More gals coming

597
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: out gay?

598
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: There's a couple right.

599
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: Say this, and it's not because of the homophobia anything.

600
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: It's because it's so deeply private. Like, but when you

601
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: become a professional, people got to understand you had to

602
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: dig and go through so much privately that you're so elated,

603
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: so sometimes exhausted.

604
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: When you get to.

605
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: Your goal, your dream, you don't want anything to disturb

606
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: that groove.

607
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: You don't want anything to disturb.

608
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: That reality, including maybe coming out the closet, including maybe

609
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: some of your family gotta get left behind, or just

610
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: put on palls or put in the corner because they

611
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: ain't gonna represent you the right way, right, So I

612
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: don't always look at it like, oh, you're scared because

613
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: you gay, I'm saying.

614
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes they just don't want to mess up what they

615
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: got because they just got it.

616
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: It's so fragile, like a dream realized is fragile, y'all.

617
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: And regardless of reception, good or bad, right, you still

618
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be the guy that sits there and

619
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: puts that in jeopardy. Now me, I'm coming out one hundred.

620
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: But at the same time, whatever, I don't know. There's

621
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: a list of gay rappers Lil nas X, I love Macain,

622
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: Frank Ocean, Mickey Blanco, three of them, I know. Let

623
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: me see big freedom all right now the list getting

624
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: out of my zone, but them first three. I love

625
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: macanin is that he said he got that banger love

626
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, right.

627
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: Lil nas X.

628
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm not a real fan of his music like that,

629
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: but that one song was like whatever, Yeah, I don't

630
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: get into Little nas X music, but he's.

631
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: Gay and he's gigantic. Time got dang.

632
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Sucker, They're superstar and Frank Ocean I know I like

633
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: some Frank Ocean songs.

634
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: I just can't name him.

635
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: Point being, it ain't gonna kill your career, so I'm

636
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: gonna say it could boush your career.

637
00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: Who gives the damn?

638
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: It ain't that it's so private that it ain't about that.

639
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: It's about not putting something else on a delicate scale

640
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: that is trying to balance itself out between me realizing

641
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: my dreams and me being from this world or living

642
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: in this reality. So let people be on their own time.

643
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: If I'm open with everything that's me, I had to

644
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: learn that, don't press and don't pressure everyone to be open.

645
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: I wish Buster Rhymes see this is about sophistication, and

646
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: Buster Rhymes is sophisticated enough to not now have to

647
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: deal with the heat of why you can't even talk

648
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: about it, talk about homophobic?

649
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: So homophobic you can't even talk about it.

650
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: When he could have just simply said, look, these are

651
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: the things that I think people are dealing with. But

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Speaker 1: some would say he feels triggered. Why are you triggered?

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Speaker 1: Why is that dog hollering? Only hit dogs holler, right,

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Speaker 1: So people are trying to guess, oh, it's bust a

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Speaker 1: rhymes hiding something. He got a problem with openly gay artists,

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Speaker 1: he got a problem with the LGBTQ A plus community,

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Speaker 1: all that and more. I don't know, but I would

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Speaker 1: let you know because I wouldn't leave the interview. Y'all

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Speaker 1: know how we end every show. We end it with

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Speaker 1: a wily is year all right, learn this one the

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Speaker 1: hard way, Like everybody, being cheap is expensive. Yeah, being

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Speaker 1: cheap is expensive, man, At least it costs more to

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Speaker 1: being just flat out cheap.

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Speaker 2: You get what you paid for out.

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Speaker 1: Here in these streets in the world, at the store,

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Speaker 1: get what you pay for, right man, stept at Target,

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Speaker 1: Target to be cheap, and it's good. But seriously, like

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Speaker 1: being cheap, like you're just like, I know a quality

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Speaker 1: that I desire. Now maybe you don't have it, right,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you have it and you choose the lesser,

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Speaker 1: lower quality because you're being cheap, right, not broke. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying cheap. You got it, and you're trying to

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Speaker 1: get the less of it. Well, guess what you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get in return less from it? And that's the situation.

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Speaker 1: It's for people, it's for things, it's everything in this world. Right,

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Speaker 1: So imagine you got the energy to do something, but

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Speaker 1: you're gonna cheapen out your effort. Right, it's gonna cast

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Speaker 1: you being cheap as expensive when you have it, you

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Speaker 1: don't give it, you don't go get it to that

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Speaker 1: level or even more value.

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Speaker 2: Ah, it's gonna cast show. And that's how it goes.

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Speaker 1: So I used to go in the stores and be

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Speaker 1: like man buying that, buying that, go get a knockoff.

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Speaker 1: I remember I went to Spain years ago and I

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Speaker 1: saw that knockoff section.

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Speaker 2: Look, I went to school in New York, so I

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Speaker 2: saw that too.

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Speaker 1: I guess who is that Canal Street or something, or

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Speaker 1: Chelsea Piers one of them twos, and cheap stuff everywhere,

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Speaker 1: you know, knock off everything, fluy fluy baton fluy Bhutan

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Speaker 1: right and Poucci like all that. And I would buy

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Speaker 1: it and it wouldn't last as long as when I

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Speaker 1: half five dollars and bought the real stuff. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: not a fan of buying the real stuff now because

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Speaker 1: it just cost too much.

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Speaker 2: It's stupid to me.

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Speaker 1: But I had got out that phase, so I don't

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Speaker 1: can them anyone still in that phase. But dog, if

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Speaker 1: you got money, you could wear anything. Nobody care you

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Speaker 1: got on Gucci and not they ain't tripping. You got money,

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Speaker 1: And when you don't have money, you can wear a

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Speaker 1: Gucci and somebody still squinting and kind of double eye

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Speaker 1: rolling side eye of you, like Eah, the whole Louis

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Speaker 1: suit don't really screen money.

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Speaker 2: And even if it does, whatever do you? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm out of that critical phase of what you're wearing.

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Speaker 1: But I just think people spend way too much money

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Speaker 1: on looking fresh, and then if you look so fresh,

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Speaker 1: you can't wear it again.

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Speaker 2: It's a dumb fashion just missed me. I don't get

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Speaker 2: it anyway.

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Speaker 1: Don't be cheap, y'all, with your efforts, with the things

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Speaker 1: you do, the people you hang with, everything. If you

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Speaker 1: got it, get it right. Because if not being cheap

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Speaker 1: is expensive, all right, y'all, that'll do it for more

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Speaker 1: to it. Chake the show notes for all the information

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Speaker 1: on our topics today today. Want to keep the conversation going,

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