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Speaker 1: And we're back yet another episode of the Latekick Extra podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am Josh Pate. Thanks so much for joining me

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Speaker 1: this morning, this early afternoon evening. It's probably Tuesday, but

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Speaker 1: not definitely Tuesday, October twenty seventh. Wherever you are listening,

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Speaker 1: We got a loaded mail bag this morning. Josh payt

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Speaker 1: seven zero six at gmail dot com is one way

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Speaker 1: you can get in touch with me at Latekickjosh on

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Speaker 1: Twitter is another way you can get in touch with me.

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Speaker 1: Or you can leave a question in your written review

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Speaker 1: in your five star review on Apple podcasts. So a

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Speaker 1: lot of you do it a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that. Also, another quick shout out,

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Speaker 1: I've been doing this, I'm going to do it probably

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Speaker 1: until the end of this week. A lot of you

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Speaker 1: who have emailed me over the course of the summer

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Speaker 1: or DMed me over the course of the summer, or

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Speaker 1: maybe in the YouTube chat and you've asked, hey, you

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Speaker 1: know kind of interested, maybe a little bit interested in

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Speaker 1: sports media, or just you know, building my own YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: maybe looking to get into the industry, like whatever the

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Speaker 1: case may be. I have time right now. I've carved

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Speaker 1: out some time doing it a couple of nights a week,

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Speaker 1: very limited one on one zoom sessions about an hour apiece.

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Speaker 1: So we get into very granular detail on what it

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Speaker 1: takes to do this, what it takes to do that.

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Speaker 1: I have learned a lot of lessons the hard way

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Speaker 1: in this business. So I encourage you if you're serious,

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Speaker 1: not if you're just toying with the idea, if you're

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Speaker 1: serious about wanting to go down those roads. Or hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're a parent, your mom or dad. I had

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Speaker 1: a guy get in touch with me earlier today and say,

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Speaker 1: I got a son who really fits that description. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't listen to the podcast, but I do. Could you

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Speaker 1: talk to him set it up earlier tonight. We did,

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Speaker 1: so get in touch with me set again Josh paid

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Speaker 1: seven zero six at gmail dot com or at late

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Speaker 1: Kickjosh on Twitter. So we've got a loaded mail bag

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Speaker 1: this morning, Let's waste no more time and dive in.

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Speaker 1: We're going all over the place. First question is from Matthew.

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Speaker 1: He's asked the question for like a month in a row,

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Speaker 1: and I keep bumping it because I didn't have a

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Speaker 1: really solid answer. But really this was always going to

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Speaker 1: be my answer. He said, what rule changes would you

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Speaker 1: make to college football? Well, there's really only one place

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Speaker 1: to start with me, and that's targeting. Targeting was instituted

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Speaker 1: a little while ago, and it had a purpose, and

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Speaker 1: I think it has more than served the purpose. Think

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Speaker 1: about the game in nineteen ninety two, and think about

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Speaker 1: the game in twenty twelve and then twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 1: just the evolution of the way that defense is taught,

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Speaker 1: the way defense is played, the complete and total wipeout

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Speaker 1: shots used to see across the middle, you'd see a

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Speaker 1: guy's neck and his helmet snap backwards from impact. You

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Speaker 1: don't really see that a whole lot anymore. And when

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Speaker 1: you do see it. I saw John Bostik deliver one

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Speaker 1: of these in the NFL the other day. It is

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Speaker 1: sore thumb. That used to be just a normal Sunday.

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Speaker 1: And so whether it's the NFL, and I'm not really

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Speaker 1: business there, but in college football it is so just

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Speaker 1: over the top to be eliminating guys from competition, not

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Speaker 1: for the agregious blows. That's what I want to get to.

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Speaker 1: You have to have a couple of tiers. The way

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Speaker 1: we used to do pass interference in college football, or

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Speaker 1: I think it was face mask. The way you would

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Speaker 1: so it left some interpretation in the eyes of the official. Well,

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Speaker 1: targeting I think should be reverse engineered that way. Now

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Speaker 1: it has accomplished its purpose. It is largely eradicated the

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Speaker 1: And you have a lot of incidental I call them

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Speaker 1: And right now you're sending an official over to review

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Speaker 1: these plays. And I'm not blaming the officials. They have

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Speaker 1: They're just enforcing the rules. I'm telling you you got

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Speaker 1: So let's keep the fifteen yard foul. Let's even call

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Speaker 1: it a personal foul. So if you guard two of

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Speaker 1: I'm not making light of head injuries. Everyone knows what

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Speaker 1: it looks like when you intentionally or maliciously target someone.

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Speaker 1: Vast majority of the time these days, that's not what's happening.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying take targeting out of the game.

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Speaker 1: we may have targeting by the letter of the law. Here,

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Speaker 1: we'll enforce the targeting. There's no way this kid should

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer said a while back one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: programs like Notre Dame in Michigan have declined was largely

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Speaker 1: due to population and demographic shifts in the Rust belt states.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State still has a fertile recruiting base, but looks

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Speaker 1: and you're right, Ohio State. They still recruit Ohio like

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Speaker 1: They all know where you got to go. So that's

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Speaker 1: no mystery. I think that this is as hard as

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Speaker 1: done at Ohio State. Here's what you also have to understand. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there have been population shifts, and yes, less people live

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Speaker 1: there and more people live in the South. Yes, all

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Speaker 1: that exists, But you're talking about such big picture things here.

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Speaker 1: You signed twenty five kids a class. You're not signing

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Speaker 1: that stuff matters in election season. We're talking about recruiting.

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Speaker 1: We're getting twenty five kids per class. So number one,

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Speaker 1: even if you were just still recruiting your geographic territory,

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Speaker 1: as the population dynamics have shifted, something else has shifted,

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Speaker 1: and that is it's never mattered less where a state

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Speaker 1: play at Clemson. Kids don't give a second thought leaving

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Speaker 1: just that's the formula. The formula is if you can win,

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Speaker 1: ready to give this morning. Next up is Connor. Connor said,

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Speaker 1: in your opinion, what's more impressive Nick Saban going twenty

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Speaker 1: winning ninety four straight games against unranked opponents. Well, Connor,

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Speaker 1: I gotta go with the ladder, just because ninety four

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Speaker 1: you're everyone super Bowl. So those rankings and who's ranked

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Speaker 1: and not, sometimes that doesn't matter so much with Alabama

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Speaker 1: because the reality is, if you play the thirty sixth

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Speaker 1: a top twenty five effort out of the number thirty

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Speaker 1: six team in the week that you play them. Now,

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Speaker 1: when you watch them the next week on film, they

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Speaker 1: may lose to a team they're favored by four touchdowns

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Speaker 1: and yet they still haven't dropped a single one ninety

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Speaker 1: four straight. It just goes to show you all that

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Speaker 1: boring stuff that Nick Saban talks about. And I say

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Speaker 1: that sarcastically. It's not boring at all if you understand

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Speaker 1: it's wavelength. But all that boring stuff he talks about

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Speaker 1: regarding process and trusting the process and sticking with the

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Speaker 1: process over prize, being process oriented over result oriented. That's

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Speaker 1: what that yields. It may sound boring, but it delivers consistency.

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Speaker 1: Whereas you could also run a program another way. You

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Speaker 1: could run a program where you treat quote unquote big

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Speaker 1: I promise you. But here's the problem. Then when you

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Speaker 1: love it. Some of them, it's just a job. They

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Speaker 1: happen to be able to write or talk, or edit

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Speaker 1: or produce, and this is just the job they could find.

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Speaker 1: I've always thought these jobs are in such high demand

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Speaker 1: it does happen. So the first piece of advice, make

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Speaker 1: sure you love it. You have plenty of talents, and

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Speaker 1: you'll have plenty of passions. Wherever those talents and those

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Speaker 1: passions intersect, and there are going to be several of

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Speaker 1: those in your life. Find those intersections, and those places

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Speaker 1: are the only places, especially if you're in college, which

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Speaker 1: simon you are, those are the only places you should

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Speaker 1: ever be seeking a career. Don't be just trying to

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Speaker 1: find a job. Try and find a career at the

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Speaker 1: intersection of your passion and your talent. There's no excuse

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Speaker 1: not to do that, and the digital media world offers

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Speaker 1: you limitless possibility. But my point is, if you don't

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Speaker 1: love this stuff, it's okay. You can still watch it

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Speaker 1: on TV on Saturday. Don't try and be pursuing this

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Speaker 1: stuff if you don't love it, because there is a

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Speaker 1: lot of long days, there's a lot of thankless work,

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Speaker 1: long before anyone ever pays you anything remotely close to

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Speaker 1: what you think you're worth. So you'll get filtered out.

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Speaker 1: If you don't love it, you will get filtered out,

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Speaker 1: and you will be exposed for your lack of passion,

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Speaker 1: and you will have wasted a few years that in retrospect,

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Speaker 1: was meaningless for you. So make sure you love it.

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Speaker 1: I was just doing a zoom with someone earlier tonight

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Speaker 1: and I was talking about this. Now, it was very

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Speaker 1: clear five seconds in the person I was talking to

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Speaker 1: loved it, and that's great. So at that point it's

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Speaker 1: all systems go. Let's find out how to put some

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Speaker 1: wings in a landing gear on this whole idea. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you love it. That's that is. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: asked that signing, cause that is like right up the

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Speaker 1: alley of the stuff that I prefer to talk to

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Speaker 1: with you guys about on these one on one zoom consultations.

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Speaker 1: So again, if you want to get in on one

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Speaker 1: of those, I've I think I got a couple left

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Speaker 1: for this week. I mean, I'll find some time for you.

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Speaker 1: It may not be immediately those spots go pretty quick

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Speaker 1: when I mention it on the air, so they're going

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Speaker 1: to go pretty quick today probably when this podcast comes out,

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Speaker 1: So reach out to me an email or on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at late kick Josh or Josh pat seven zero six

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Those are really fun too, because

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Speaker 1: some of you email questions, like, there are some of

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Speaker 1: your faces I'm just now seeing for the first time

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Speaker 1: that I've spoken to for a long time. There's apparently

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Speaker 1: a class at Alabama right now where they are assigning

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Speaker 1: you to interview someone in the sports media world. So

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Speaker 1: three of you reached out to me. I've already done

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Speaker 1: one of those. I did it earlier tonight. I'm recording

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Speaker 1: this on Monday night. I'm going to do two more

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Speaker 1: this week. And that was one of the questions. One

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Speaker 1: of the questions is what's been the biggest challenge and

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Speaker 1: what is the biggest challenge, you know, when you're trying

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Speaker 1: to grow a show, And I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: a challenge, because it's not hard to me, thankfully, it

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Speaker 1: comes natural. One of the few things that comes natural

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Speaker 1: I've never thought that you should talk to someone any

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Speaker 1: different behind a microphone as you would when you're at

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Speaker 1: lunch with them. It's just a podcast about football. It's

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Speaker 1: not really that big a deal. And so I was

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Speaker 1: talking about that and it occurred to me. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a very unique thing. If you think about trying

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Speaker 1: to build a successful show or a podcast or something

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Speaker 1: like that, chances are, unfortunately, I'll never meet ninety nine

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Speaker 1: point nine percent of you guys face to face. I'll

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Speaker 1: never even see most of your faces. And yet I

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Speaker 1: feel like I know you, and I'm pretty sure you

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Speaker 1: feel like you know me. I mean, like very I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna use the word intimately, but keep in mind out

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Speaker 1: of the gutter, you know what I mean by that

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Speaker 1: pretty intimately, I mean characteristics of this listening audience. I

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Speaker 1: know them. I know by and large, what you guys like,

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Speaker 1: what you don't like, what you want to hear, what

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Speaker 1: you don't want to hear. I mean, where do you

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Speaker 1: lean on this? Which way are you going to go

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Speaker 1: on that? And with very few exceptions, I can be

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Speaker 1: right on the money. So that's pretty unique to have

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Speaker 1: a relationship with people who you've only communicated with digitally

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Speaker 1: most of the time, just one way. As big as

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Speaker 1: our audience is, I'll never hear from ninety nine percent

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Speaker 1: of you guys. But yet I know you and you

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Speaker 1: know me, So I don't know how in the world

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Speaker 1: we got there. And I'm Jordan or Tani. I don't

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Speaker 1: know who's producing this podcast. I don't think we're clipping

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Speaker 1: that one for web. But hey, it was fun. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: that's why you gotta listen to every episode, cause there

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Speaker 1: are things that you can only find here. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you also may think I just wasted ten minutes of

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Speaker 1: your life, in which case I sincerely apologize. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, why don't we just move on? All right?

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Speaker 1: Next question? I gotta be honest. I was a little

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Speaker 1: surprised by this. I've not heard this question or even

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Speaker 1: a version of this question and a talking point. But

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Speaker 1: Spencer wanted to know. Is Utah making a mistake by

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Speaker 1: not moving on from Kyle Whittingham. He has always prioritized

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Speaker 1: defense over offense, and I believe it's keeping the program

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Speaker 1: from really breaking out. Spencer, Listen, this is going to

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Speaker 1: sound derogatory in nature to you. It's not. Again, pretend

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Speaker 1: we're at lunch This is exactly how I would talk

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Speaker 1: to one of my buddies if he said what you

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Speaker 1: just said. I don't what do you think Utah football

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Speaker 1: is supposed to be? Okay, that's the harsh first question

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you. Let me give you the

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Speaker 1: impression for people outside of Utah, outside of the fan base,

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Speaker 1: what people's perception of that program would be. Eight wins

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Speaker 1: being a good year, especially now that they are in

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Speaker 1: a Power five conference, eight wins being a good year.

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Speaker 1: I happen to love the identity and profile of that program.

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Speaker 1: I think it is tailor made to what they are

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Speaker 1: and what they have to be. And I'm just being

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Speaker 1: real with you. I don't think that Utah would ever

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Speaker 1: recruit to the level consistently that you need in order

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Speaker 1: to make that shift to being an offensive minded program

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Speaker 1: and not just offensive minded one that wins consistently. So

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Speaker 1: right now, you are what you are, You have the

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Speaker 1: style you have. I had looked this up to make sure.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham has been the permanent head coach there since

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five. They've had nine seasons of nine

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Speaker 1: plus wins. That's phenomenal. That is incredible. Have they won

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Speaker 1: a national title. No, you're not winning a national title

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Speaker 1: at Utah. You're just not. Okay. I grew up in

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Speaker 1: the South. I grew up around major SEC programs, and yes,

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Speaker 1: true enough, the standards at Alabama or Georgia or Florida,

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Speaker 1: it's national championship. That's because the sport is built to

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Speaker 1: deliver those programs national championships if they fully invest. You

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Speaker 1: can be fully invested at Utah. You're still going to

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Speaker 1: have a really tough time. Unless you have like an

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Speaker 1: seven kind of season where everything's crazy, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a really tough time winning the national championship. So I

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Speaker 1: would have my expectations. They're calibrated along the lines of

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Speaker 1: what I said, and what I said is eight nine wins.

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Speaker 1: Nine nine wins to me is a phenomenal year on

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Speaker 1: average at Utah. And he's done it nine times. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking here to make sure two thousand and five was

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Speaker 1: his first full year there. I'm just gonna read you

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Speaker 1: the wins in order. Seven eight, nine, thirteen, ten, ten, eight, five, five, nine, ten, nine, seven,

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Speaker 1: nine eleven. That's getting it done at Utah. The question

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Speaker 1: really becomes, are you surprised no one's ever been able

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Speaker 1: to pry Kyle Whittingham from Utah. And my answer to

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Speaker 1: that is, yeah, I am surprised. I don't know his background.

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Speaker 1: I don't know hardly anything about Kyle Whittingham personally. I've

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Speaker 1: always admired him from AFAR. But listen, you got a

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Speaker 1: really good thing going there at Utah trying to push

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Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham out the door, to replace him with an

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Speaker 1: offensive minded guy. That that's the kind of thing that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is a little bit of reward possible, but there

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Speaker 1: is an insanely higher level of risk inherent in that decision.

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Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing you look back on four

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Speaker 1: coaches and fifteen years later and you say, why in

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Speaker 1: the world did we get rid of Kyle Whittingham? Do

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Speaker 1: you remember the consistency with which this program operated and

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Speaker 1: we got rid of that guy whoof all right, we

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Speaker 1: got a really really loaded week. There's a good two

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Speaker 1: week stretch coming up right now. I think the night

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Speaker 1: slate this weekend is very sneaky good. Next week you

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Speaker 1: obviously have Clemson Notre Dame. Also in the SEC. You

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Speaker 1: got Georgia Florida next week. But I just want to

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Speaker 1: quickly run this down because we're breaking down games. We

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Speaker 1: do our predictions on Tuesday night show on Late Kick

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Speaker 1: Live on the twenty four seven Sports YouTube channel. Be

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Speaker 1: sure to subscribe there. But I want to let you

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Speaker 1: know what we have come in this week and the

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Speaker 1: games that we'll probably be predicting tonight. We got an

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Speaker 1: early slate that kind of is what it is. Texas

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Speaker 1: and Oklahoma State's kind of intriguing, but then you got

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Speaker 1: obviously Ohio State Penn State is the big time night game.

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Speaker 1: But I want you to listen to some of these matchups.

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Speaker 1: Arkansas plays Texas A and M Saturday. A and M

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Speaker 1: was our best bet at minus ten. They've already moved

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Speaker 1: to minus twelve. So that's a big game. That's one

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Speaker 1: of those undercard games. That's a big game. Texas A

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Speaker 1: and M. I didn't know this until I just look

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Speaker 1: just now because I never look at the AP. Texas

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Speaker 1: A and M's ranked eighth in the country. Good for you,

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Speaker 1: Aggie's I think I've got them a little bit north

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Speaker 1: of that. Actually, Missouri plays Florida. Missouri we're very high on.

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Speaker 1: We have been higher on Missouri the entire year than

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Speaker 1: the rest of America. Apparently has they go to Florida.

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Speaker 1: Florida's a thirteen point favorite. Keep in mind Florida has

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Speaker 1: got the Georgia game on deck. That's not to give

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Speaker 1: away a pick one way or the other, just that's

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Speaker 1: the backdrop with which that game will be played. North

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Speaker 1: Carolina plays Virginia, Oklahoma plays Texas Tech. There are some

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Speaker 1: really good for my money evening games. How about Boise State,

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Speaker 1: Kansas State on the road in the noon window eastern time,

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Speaker 1: of course, against West Virginia. I think that's a fascinating game.

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Speaker 1: Memphis is at Cincinnati Saturday. Cincinnati, we had a question

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Speaker 1: about them. Could they be a playoff contender? They're a

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Speaker 1: touchdown favorite against Memphis. Georgia is a fourteen point favorite

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Speaker 1: at Kentucky. Quarterback situation bears watching, so there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to watch Saturday. We're gonna be breaking all that and

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Speaker 1: more down tonight. Thank you so much for listening again.

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Speaker 1: Five star reviews. Five star reviews. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: say it five more times. You understand five star reviews,

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Speaker 1: so give us those on Apple Podcast Subscribe if you

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Speaker 1: haven't already subscribed to the YouTube channel if you haven't already,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you there tonight on the producing side for

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Speaker 1: Tani or Jordan in no particular order, I'm Josh Paid.

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Speaker 1: Have a great rest of your day, and God bless