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Speaker 3: The Republican candidates for president finally turn their fire on
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Welcome to the fastest show in politics, as
Speaker 3: the race for second reaches a new level just a
Speaker 3: day after Republicans were thumped in state elections. We're going
Speaker 3: to talk through it with Larry Sabado, of course, at
Speaker 3: the University of Virginia Center for Politics, the namesake of
Speaker 3: Sabadeo's Crystal Ball. With eight days now to a government
Speaker 3: shutdown and no plan in place to avoid one, we'll
Speaker 3: talk about all of this with our signature panel. Bloomberg
Speaker 3: Politics contributors Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano are with us
Speaker 3: for the hour. Welcome to the Thursday edition of Bloomberg
Speaker 3: Sound On Little Friday. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington, Folks,
Speaker 3: A bit bleary eyed here at lunch today after a
Speaker 3: late night watching the We'll get to the shutdown politics
Speaker 3: of course this hour, but it was only the third
Speaker 3: round here, and following the elections that we saw this
Speaker 3: week in Ohio, in Virginia, in Kentucky, we were paying
Speaker 3: extra close attention to the Republican debate last evening in Miami.
Speaker 3: The big question, of course, who won, But you know
Speaker 3: it's more nuanced than that, as we'll discuss with Larry
Speaker 3: Sabadeo in just a moment. Ron DeSantis though at center stage,
Speaker 3: and the others. Of course, you knew about Chris Christy
Speaker 3: already coming out swinging in many cases against the former president,
Speaker 3: and based on some of the recent polling data we've seen,
Speaker 3: maybe it's no wonder why here's the governor of Florida.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump's a lot different guy than he was in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. He owes it to you to be on
Speaker 4: this stage and explain why he should get another chance.
Speaker 4: He should explain why he didn't have Mexico pay for
Speaker 4: the border wall. He should explain why he racked up
Speaker 4: so much debt. He should explain why he didn't drain
Speaker 4: the swamp. And he said Republicans were going to get
Speaker 4: tired of winning. What we saw last night, I'm sick
Speaker 4: of Republicans losing.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't seem to matter. At least when you
Speaker 3: look at presidential polls, whether they be national or Frankly,
Speaker 3: in the Swing States, donald Trump has a thirty some
Speaker 3: point lead over Ron DeSantis and the rest of the field.
Speaker 3: This is where we begin with Larry Sabado, the director
Speaker 3: of the University of Virginia Center for Politics, with us
Speaker 3: here on this day after what else could we ask for? Larry,
Speaker 3: It's great to have you back on Bloomberg. I won't
Speaker 3: ask you who won last night, but I'll start by
Speaker 3: asking you about Donald Trump, the guy who was not
Speaker 3: in the room. Has this been a winning strategy to
Speaker 3: keep boycotting these debates?
Speaker 5: Well, as you'd ask me who won, of course I
Speaker 5: would have said Donald Trump, he's won all the debates
Speaker 5: because he hasn't been there. If in fact, he ends
Speaker 5: up to be the nominee. Right now, everybody thinks that
Speaker 5: he will if he does. The smartest decision he would
Speaker 5: have made, other than the decisions that led to the
Speaker 5: various trials, but the smartest decision that he has made
Speaker 5: is not participating in the debate. All he would have
Speaker 5: done would have been to elevate these challengers. They would
Speaker 5: have had him right there. Inevitably they would have gotten
Speaker 5: him deeply angry and going Craig Cray and screaming, and
Speaker 5: he would have It would have been the Donald Trump
Speaker 5: that would not have sold even in this particular year
Speaker 5: or next year. But he's not there, and so they're
Speaker 5: shadow boxing. And I don't want to demean them, because
Speaker 5: actually I think four of the five are quite good
Speaker 5: and would make if you're going to have a Republican president.
Speaker 5: They would make a decent president. I know they would
Speaker 5: basically obey the Constitution, that'd be my guess. But they
Speaker 5: don't have that ability because or they're not going to
Speaker 5: have that ability in all probability because Donald Trump isn't there,
Speaker 5: and they are the kid's table, as everyone is said,
Speaker 5: they're the kid's table at Thanksgiving. It's not fair, it's
Speaker 5: not right. They deserve better, but that's the way.
Speaker 3: It is, the way it is. And the moderators have
Speaker 3: their own approach here, and I know I'm not here
Speaker 3: to analyze or criticize the moderators, but there were a
Speaker 3: lot of questions Larry about why the issue of abortion
Speaker 3: was relegated to the back thirty minutes of a two
Speaker 3: hour debate. It took them ninety minutes to get to
Speaker 3: the issue that really seemed to dominate the elections. The
Speaker 3: night before, a lot of folks in advance were looking
Speaker 3: specifically at Nicky Haley to see if she could make
Speaker 3: some headway on this issue. And here's how she put
Speaker 3: it last night.
Speaker 6: As much as on pro life, I don't judge anyone
Speaker 6: for being pro choice, and I don't want them to judge.
Speaker 3: Me for being pro life.
Speaker 6: So when we're looking at this, there are some states
Speaker 6: that are going more on the pro life side. I
Speaker 6: welcome that there's some states that are going more on
Speaker 6: the pro choice side. I wish that wasn't the case,
Speaker 6: but the people decided. But when it comes to the law,
Speaker 6: which is what's being debated here, be honest, it's going
Speaker 6: to take sixty Senate votes, a majority of the House,
Speaker 6: and a president to sign it.
Speaker 3: A reality check and another outreach to those who may
Speaker 3: not agree with her on this, Larry was that the
Speaker 3: winning message for Republicans on that singular issue of abortion.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a better message than the ones they've been
Speaker 5: using for the most part, because it's not selling. You know,
Speaker 5: after a while, as the old saying goes, if you
Speaker 5: spend a fortune on the dog food, and the label
Speaker 5: looks great and the dogs never eat it. It's probably
Speaker 5: because the dog food isn't very good, and the dogs
Speaker 5: are the ones that get to determine what the masters buy.
Speaker 5: So her answer was perfectly reasonable from a political sense.
Speaker 5: And by the way, she's absolutely right if you don't
Speaker 5: get sixty votes in the Senate. This is all just
Speaker 5: kabuki theater. It's just play acting, and that's what politicians
Speaker 5: do a lot. But I agree with you, we didn't
Speaker 5: get to some of the substance of questions until later.
Speaker 5: And I also think they should have asked a lot
Speaker 5: more about Donald Trump. They could have gotten into the
Speaker 5: particulars and let them react to it. But you know,
Speaker 5: as you say, it's easy to criticize moderators. I've done
Speaker 5: debates myself and it's horrible. I have nothing but sympathy
Speaker 5: for the moderators.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a fun job. You mentioned four of five.
Speaker 3: I think I know that fifth. You're referring to the veck.
Speaker 3: Ramaswami had a lot of one line. Did I mention, Well,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna let you disagree with me. I will
Speaker 3: just move ahead with the strategy from the VIK Ramaswami
Speaker 3: to criticize the RNC chair, call for her resignation on
Speaker 3: the stage, ask for replacement moderators, all before answering a question,
Speaker 3: what did you make of the approach?
Speaker 5: He was trying to attract attention, and he was trying
Speaker 5: to be the Donald Trump, the new Donald Trump of
Speaker 5: this election. Michael ain't ever going to happen. And he
Speaker 5: was so extreme that he was in orbit and I
Speaker 5: think it was more orbiting Mars than it was Earth.
Speaker 5: I think he hurt himself with anybody who isn't in
Speaker 5: that little niche that he appeals to, and it is
Speaker 5: a small niche. I mean, he's at six seven percent
Speaker 5: in most of the polls, and polls can change, but
Speaker 5: you're not going to go from six to seven percent
Speaker 5: to a large plurality and win the nomination.
Speaker 3: Larry Sabada with us. Before I let you go, Larry,
Speaker 3: I want to bring people back to the tweet of yesterday,
Speaker 3: clearance Sale. This is in the wake of a very
Speaker 3: difficult night for Republicans in Virginia, specifically Glenn Youngkin, who
Speaker 3: was even said to be basing presidential aspirations on the
Speaker 3: outcome of these elections. You wrote clearance sale all young
Speaker 3: and for President twenty four merchandise A free my pillow
Speaker 3: comes with all purchases over a dollar, no returns. Larry,
Speaker 3: we got another rough headline shortly after you made that tweet.
Speaker 3: The FBI headquarters is going to Greenbelt, Maryland, not Virginia
Speaker 3: as he was hoping. Is this the worst week of
Speaker 3: his political career so far?
Speaker 5: Well, it's been a very short political career, but yes,
Speaker 5: it has been the first week he's had. I understand
Speaker 5: that objections are being very severe, objections implying corruption. And
Speaker 5: I think the Washington Post is breaking a story on
Speaker 5: as maybe already has done so, but will will shortly,
Speaker 5: so people might want to pay attention. I don't think
Speaker 5: that Maryland is going to get it quite as easily
Speaker 5: as they thought, and this might cause a reconsideration, so
Speaker 5: pay attention.
Speaker 3: Wow, you just heard it straight from Larry Sabada. Great
Speaker 3: to have you back, Larry from the University of Virginia
Speaker 3: Center for Politics. Jerry Conley, the congressman from Virginia, tweets
Speaker 3: lacking even the basic courtesy of a heads up. GSA
Speaker 3: has reportedly decided on a Maryland site for the new
Speaker 3: FBI headquarters. If this is sounds strange to you, this
Speaker 3: has been going on for a very long time, as
Speaker 3: the existing FBI headquarters, sitting a few blocks away from
Speaker 3: where I am now on Pennsylvania Avenue, literally crumbles into dust.
Speaker 3: And this has been a long running dispute that came
Speaker 3: down to two Maryland Virginia. There was even a basketball
Speaker 3: match I believe set up there threatened between Glenn Youngkin
Speaker 3: and Wes Moore. Let's assemble our panel for their take
Speaker 3: on the debate. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzano are with
Speaker 3: us Bloomberg Politics contributors. I won't pull you into the
Speaker 3: FBI headquarters debate quite yet, but I'm deeply curious to know.
Speaker 3: Of course, we were watching, so you didn't have to.
Speaker 3: All right, Rick, what do you think on this one?
Speaker 3: Donald Trump doesn't show up. We know they got a
Speaker 3: few million to watch these debates, it's at least the
Speaker 3: first few of them. But it doesn't have that mainstream
Speaker 3: impact without his presence, does it.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think Larry Sabadeau is right. Won't be the first
Speaker 7: time I've agreed with him that Donald Trump's the big
Speaker 7: winner of these debates. Obviously, there's been some uplift for
Speaker 7: Nikki Hayley, and the two previous debates put her back
Speaker 7: on track as a campaign doing well in Iowa, New Hampshire,
Speaker 7: you know, really significant movement in New Hampshire, and you
Speaker 7: pretty much have to assume it's both her performance on
Speaker 7: the stump and her performance on the debates. So it's
Speaker 7: had some positive impact. But you know, you don't see
Speaker 7: anybody using the platform millions of people watching. You can
Speaker 7: parse how many, but it's a platform where you can
Speaker 7: communicate to a lot of Republicans who probably are the
Speaker 7: only ones who watch these debates, you know, to contrast
Speaker 7: with Trump. And as Larry said, I mean, other than
Speaker 7: getting asked the first question, I look that how much
Speaker 7: time was spent on each issue, and time spent on
Speaker 7: Donald Trump was less than time spent talking about Venezuela. Now,
Speaker 7: I don't know about you, but I don't think Venezuela
Speaker 7: is a big issue in this campaign, but for sure
Speaker 7: Donald Trump is. So again, I think we just these
Speaker 7: guys are just missing opportunities to get in this game.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what. Certainly, Ronda Santis and Nicki
Speaker 3: Haley were being scrutinized last evening they both showed up
Speaker 3: Genie to the fight. The vike Ramaswami had his own strategy,
Speaker 3: it seemed. I wonder, if you think anybody moved the needle,
Speaker 3: will Ronda Santis be at center stage? Nicki Haley at
Speaker 3: his side when we do another one of these.
Speaker 8: That's the way it should be. You know, clearly, if
Speaker 8: anybody has got a shot for second place, it is
Speaker 8: those two. The other three really don't have a shot.
Speaker 8: And so you know, one thing that made this debate
Speaker 8: better for those of us who watched it was there
Speaker 8: were fewer people on the stage. They all got more time.
Speaker 8: I have to tell you, I was really of two
Speaker 8: minds on this. On the one hand, it was really
Speaker 8: really depressing because it was a substantive debate and yet
Speaker 8: not one of these people is polling in any way
Speaker 8: that can best Donald Trump. And so you know it
Speaker 8: is depressing because then you think about it. Donald Trump
Speaker 8: was eleven miles outside of Miami talking about his love
Speaker 8: for Hannibal Lecter. It was very bizarre, and he has
Speaker 8: the shot of being president and these four and I
Speaker 8: had two am going to accept vivig Ramaswami are really
Speaker 8: people who have a lot to say on critical issues.
Speaker 8: It was a substantive debate. I think DeSantis and Haley
Speaker 8: performed very well. I give the moderator's credit. It was
Speaker 8: well done. And yet what was the size of the audience?
Speaker 8: And do any of these people have a shot if
Speaker 8: Donald Trump is this juggernaut? So it is a bit
Speaker 8: depressing to think of it that way. And the only
Speaker 8: person who'd be in the cabinet is the vike Ramaswami.
Speaker 8: And I'm not even going to get started because that
Speaker 8: was a whole mess right up there with vike Ramaswami
Speaker 8: last night.
Speaker 3: Well, as I mentioned, he came with a peculiar strategy
Speaker 3: to attack the host of the party, essentially in our
Speaker 3: NC chair RONA McDaniel. Here he is speak the truth.
Speaker 9: I mean, since Ronald McDaniel took over as chairwoman of
Speaker 9: the RNC in twenty seventeen, we have lost twenty eighteen,
Speaker 9: twenty twenty, twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Two, no red wave that never came.
Speaker 9: We got trounced last night in twenty twenty three. And
Speaker 9: I think that we have to have accountability in our
Speaker 9: party for that matter.
Speaker 3: Ro On, if you want to come.
Speaker 9: On stage tonight, you want to look the GOP voters
Speaker 9: in the eye and tell them you resign. I will
Speaker 9: turn over my yield, my time to you.
Speaker 3: That never did end up happening, Rick, But in our
Speaker 3: last moment, I don't know if you've caught these two
Speaker 3: off the side of the stage later, but they were
Speaker 3: having a very intense conversation. Did he just talk himself
Speaker 3: right out of the Republican.
Speaker 7: I think he's been talking himself right out of the
Speaker 7: Republican race. I mean, when you start at zero and
Speaker 7: you know you're able to make yourself to a few
Speaker 7: single digits, your message isn't connecting. But I agree with
Speaker 7: him on this. Ron Romney should leave. She's allows the
Speaker 7: chairman of the RNC and all she knows how to
Speaker 7: do is lose.
Speaker 3: Wow, Genie, I don't know if you want to add that.
Speaker 3: We have a few other things to get through here,
Speaker 3: and we will have time. Is Ron McDaniel going to
Speaker 3: be the chair of the RNC after this cycle?
Speaker 8: No, she should not be. You can't lose this much.
Speaker 8: But interestingly, he didn't blame Donald Trump, the head of
Speaker 8: the party, for any of those losses. By the way,
Speaker 8: all his attacks in those first two questions were against women,
Speaker 8: despite the fact there were men on the stage and
Speaker 8: off who, if he was being honest, should have been
Speaker 8: at the end of those receiving end of those attacks.
Speaker 8: Very distressing.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to get into the performance of the
Speaker 3: two front runners. Coming up next. This is Bloomberg.
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Speaker 3: So the high heels did come up in the debate
Speaker 3: last night. You know, we were all watching for it,
Speaker 3: listening for it, just didn't come up exactly the way
Speaker 3: we expected. As we've been discussing with the panel, Rick
Speaker 3: Davis and Genie Shanzano. Vivek Ramaswami showed up with his
Speaker 3: sights set on Nicki Haley, and that's where the heels
Speaker 3: were in.
Speaker 9: Folks, do you want a leader from a different generation
Speaker 9: who's going to put this country first? Or do you
Speaker 9: want Dick Cheney in three inch heels?
Speaker 3: All right, mister ate, we've got two of them on stage.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Sator going after her foreign policy credentials, Dick Cheney,
Speaker 3: he said in three inch heels.
Speaker 6: She was ready for it at first, like to say,
Speaker 6: they're five inch heels and I don't wear them unless
Speaker 6: you can run in them.
Speaker 8: We've got two.
Speaker 6: Of you on still, that's a thing that I will say,
Speaker 6: is I wear heels or not for a fashion statement?
Speaker 6: They're for ammunition.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not sure about the ammunition. Are we throwing
Speaker 3: heels around now? We're kicking people on the trail. But
Speaker 3: of course the fashion statement referring there too, Ron DeSantis
Speaker 3: and the lifts inside the cowboy boots. We never did
Speaker 3: get to the bottom of it. He stayed quiet through
Speaker 3: that whole thing. But look a lot of people are
Speaker 3: up on Nicki Haley again. She seems to do well
Speaker 3: in these forums. And then the day after it gets
Speaker 3: a little bit of a bump. We'll see how the
Speaker 3: panel feels about it. Rick and Jeanie are back with
Speaker 3: us Bloomberg Politics contributors. I could play you more from
Speaker 3: both of them, and I will the Vivake Nicky rivalry
Speaker 3: here Rick Davis, But I wonder if he thinks she
Speaker 3: actually moved the needle for herself or if ron DeSantis
Speaker 3: will still be center stage in the next debate.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think she did well for herself. I think
Speaker 7: people are watching to see if she's got what it
Speaker 7: takes to be president. She certainly made a good pitch
Speaker 7: in the first hour of the debate to be commander
Speaker 7: in chief. Right, that's one of the boxes that everybody
Speaker 7: has to pass in order for Republicans in this case
Speaker 7: to have confidence in putting him in the oval office.
Speaker 7: And I would say too pretty deaf handling of the
Speaker 7: social issues. We talked earlier in the program about abortion.
Speaker 7: Thought she actually got away with something there. I'm a
Speaker 7: little surprised the other pro lifers on the stand didn't
Speaker 7: really go after but other than Ramaswami, there didn't seem
Speaker 7: to be a whole lot of appetite to take her on.
Speaker 7: So in that regard, I think she got through the
Speaker 7: debate very well and will continue to move up as
Speaker 7: people look for options. Donald Trump, I would say that
Speaker 7: DeSantis comported himself pretty well from the point of view
Speaker 7: of in a different lane than she is, right. I mean,
Speaker 7: she's in the interventionist foreign policy lane. He's in the protectionist,
Speaker 7: you know, don't don't don't get engaged around the world.
Speaker 7: And when he got asked questions about foreign policy, he
Speaker 7: turned it back to the border. And that is a
Speaker 7: very popular thing to do for most Republican primary voters. So,
Speaker 7: even though we are left scratching our heads, going why
Speaker 7: is the answer to the question, the answers he's giving
Speaker 7: will resonate with some Republican primary voters, especially those in Iowa.
Speaker 3: You seem like he's getting better at this Rick. I
Speaker 3: know it might be too little, too late, but it
Speaker 3: did seem like his best performance so far.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Look, I think he's just the talking point candidate.
Speaker 7: I mean, he's good at like just hammering around talking points.
Speaker 7: He doesn't tell stories, he doesn't you know, talk about
Speaker 7: people's values. He doesn't put it into context. He just
Speaker 7: blurts out, you know, sort of talking points. And his
Speaker 7: talking points are poll tested, right, and so he's hitting
Speaker 7: those numbers, you know, in order to get voters to
Speaker 7: take a look at him in the way that they
Speaker 7: want it. Can to talk. He's uninspiring, but on message,
Speaker 7: and I'd say that's the nicest thing I can say
Speaker 7: about his performance.
Speaker 3: I'd like to hear from me on the issue of
Speaker 3: abortion and what we heard around the stage last night
Speaker 3: Jeanie as I was discussing with Larry Sabadow, this did
Speaker 3: not come up for ninety minutes, which is noteworthy after
Speaker 3: the role that this issue clearly played in the elections
Speaker 3: of the day before that did not go well for
Speaker 3: so many Republican candidates. Senator Scott went to the fifteen
Speaker 3: week band. We heard quite a bit about that. Ron
Speaker 3: de Santis didn't go too far into this, even though
Speaker 3: a six week ban was signed in the state of Florida.
Speaker 3: He was a little bit more vague on things, and
Speaker 3: Nicki Haley, as we played earlier, said I won't judge
Speaker 3: anyone for being pro choice, but I am unapologetically pro life.
Speaker 3: Did she win the messaging on that issue last night?
Speaker 8: You know, I think Democrats still win the messaging on that,
Speaker 8: but out of five of them, certainly. Nicky Haley had
Speaker 8: a very strong answer on that. She said, I am
Speaker 8: pro life because my husband was adopted. I had difficulty
Speaker 8: conceiving it's personal for me, and I'm not, to your point,
Speaker 8: going to judge people who have a different view. She
Speaker 8: also said, rightly, so what the reality is there? Aren't
Speaker 8: sixty votes in the Senate to get a federal ban.
Speaker 8: This should be left to the states. And in that respect,
Speaker 8: she was similar to Chris Christy, and I would note
Speaker 8: there were a lot of issues on which Nicky Haley
Speaker 8: and Chris Christy on that stage last night lined up.
Speaker 8: But the problem for Republicans remains as a whole. They
Speaker 8: cannot figure their way out of this issue, and it
Speaker 8: is going to continue to drag them down. And we
Speaker 8: heard this from Tim Scott last night. They are mistaking
Speaker 8: this idea. They still are clinging, like Glynn Youngkin was
Speaker 8: to this notion of a fifteen week ban. People don't
Speaker 8: care whether it's twelve weeks, fifteen weeks, eighteen weeks about
Speaker 8: that number in those policies specifics. What they're hearing is
Speaker 8: you are taking away our rights, you are taking away
Speaker 8: our ability to get healthcare. You are trying to have
Speaker 8: a strong government hand in what we do with our bodies.
Speaker 8: I don't care whether you say it's eighteen weeks fifteen weeks.
Speaker 8: The number doesn't matter. And that's what Republicans have to
Speaker 8: grapple with, and it's going to be a really difficult
Speaker 8: thing for them to find their way around. But I
Speaker 8: do think Nikki Haley saying a federal ban or a
Speaker 8: federal limit is off the table is probably the way
Speaker 8: they're going to have to go. And again, you've got
Speaker 8: Donald Trump out there, responsible for all of this, who
Speaker 8: is trying to also moderate his views on this, and
Speaker 8: that is going to be very difficult, even for somebody
Speaker 8: who talks a lot like Donald Trump to figure his
Speaker 8: way out of that conundrum involving the people he appointed
Speaker 8: to the court who single handedly overturned.
Speaker 3: Row Well, I'm just going to apologize in advance for
Speaker 3: this because Donald Trump did speak at a rally last
Speaker 3: evening counterprogramming. He was also in Florida, And just to
Speaker 3: give you a sense of how this went last evening,
Speaker 3: while these five Republican presidential candidates were sparring, albeit not
Speaker 3: always on policy, this is what was happening at the
Speaker 3: Trump rally as he was introduced by Roseanne Barr.
Speaker 2: Aren't we all fat up with the deep state?
Speaker 6: Boss?
Speaker 3: Yeah? This keeps going.
Speaker 8: We want Trump the magador to kill that.
Speaker 4: Boo and.
Speaker 3: Kill that I figured i'd stopped there. Donald Trump was
Speaker 3: also there last evening, said he was bored with the debates.
Speaker 3: Larry Sabado said, though he won last night, Rick, do
Speaker 3: you agree, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 7: I think that by avoiding any confrontation with the second
Speaker 7: choice competition at the debate, he kept them from being
Speaker 7: able to really do any damage to him. Honestly, I
Speaker 7: still am dumbfounded as to why nobody on the stage
Speaker 7: really took it upon themselves to contrast with Trump other
Speaker 7: than answering the first question of the night. It's just
Speaker 7: baffling to me that they basically are giving him a
Speaker 7: walk on the debates. And so, believe me, if they
Speaker 7: all attacked him, he'd want to show up for the
Speaker 7: next one. And so I think that this idea that
Speaker 7: they're all going to you know, give you know, no
Speaker 7: attention to Donald Trump is ultimately going to be seen
Speaker 7: after the fact is one of the biggest mistakes of
Speaker 7: the of the undercard.
Speaker 3: Wow new Emerson pull out today, Genie, we don't have
Speaker 3: time for the deep dive. But it's a battleground state,
Speaker 3: pole swing state. Donald Trump beats Joe Biden in Georgia,
Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, in Wisconsin, in Nevada, in Arizona. I thought
Speaker 3: he was the one Joe Biden wanted to run against.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was very concerning. Repeat of the Bloomberg Morning Counsul,
Speaker 8: repeat of Siana New York Times. Now we have Emerson.
Speaker 8: The numbers we are seeing are not a one off
Speaker 8: and they are not a shock anymore. They are what
Speaker 8: they are. Biden's team has to be concerned. And of course,
Speaker 8: let's keep in mind, Trump, as much as he's in
Speaker 8: the news today, is not necessarily in the news as
Speaker 8: a candidate. So I look at some of these polls
Speaker 8: as a reflection of what people are feeling about the
Speaker 8: country in Biden. When is it a head to head
Speaker 8: matchup between Biden and Trump? And he is really very
Speaker 8: much in the news for the issues of the day
Speaker 8: and running we may see some slight differences there, but
Speaker 8: Democrats are concerned. Hence you see Biden heading out to
Speaker 8: the Midwest to try to shore up some of these
Speaker 8: states where he is flagging off and Pennsylvania being a
Speaker 8: Union state. He's very cognizant of that.
Speaker 3: Something like hanging out with Rick and Jeanie the day
Speaker 3: after a debate, Right, they're all ours for the hour.
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Speaker 3: President Biden leaves the bubble today, the most union friendly
Speaker 3: president in American history, on his way to Illinois. It's
Speaker 3: to meet with well the unions. This after the Big
Speaker 3: Three cut deals with the UAW. Joe Biden's going to
Speaker 3: be out there, not too far from Chicago, to meet
Speaker 3: with members of the UAW and of course appear with
Speaker 3: the leader of the union, Sean Fame.
Speaker 1: We do not always secured a record contract. We have
Speaker 1: begun to turn the tie on the war on the
Speaker 1: American working class, and we truly are saving the American dream.
Speaker 3: Saving the American dream. And that's the message, of course
Speaker 3: from the Biden administration. They're out there for the reopening
Speaker 3: of a Stalantis plant. More specifically, it's been a lot
Speaker 3: of news from the world of organized labor. It's not
Speaker 3: just the Big Three in the UAW that the President
Speaker 3: would clearly be taking a victory lap for here where
Speaker 3: he became the first president to walk a picket line
Speaker 3: just a few weeks back with the UAW. But we've
Speaker 3: got news today. Just look at the terminal the actors
Speaker 3: strike ending after one hundred and eighteen days. Studios and
Speaker 3: union reached the deal. When do we get our shows back?
Speaker 3: Not as soon as you might think. Separate story there,
Speaker 3: But also, how about what's happening in Las Vegas right now?
Speaker 3: The big F one race set to kick off in
Speaker 3: just days and the Culinary Workers Union twenty five thousand
Speaker 3: members strong on the strip threatening to strike against all
Speaker 3: the big resorts. Well, they're tumbling lie like dominos now
Speaker 3: if you take a look, yesterday it was Caesar's. Today,
Speaker 3: MGM cuts a deal. We'll see what happens when Win
Speaker 3: reports after the bell Culinary Workers' Union a tentative five
Speaker 3: year contract of historic nature. We read given wage increases
Speaker 3: in the first year in funds allotted to healthcare and
Speaker 3: pensions that according to the Culinary Union Secretary treasurer. Let's
Speaker 3: reassemble our panel for their take on this. Rick Davis
Speaker 3: and Genie Shanzano. Is this a winning message then? For
Speaker 3: Joe Biden? Jeanie, did he roll the dice and win
Speaker 3: as these strikes turn into contracts and nearly averted strikes
Speaker 3: lead to historic wage increases?
Speaker 8: He did?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: I was just thinking when you were talking about him
Speaker 8: going out on that standing on that picket line, which
Speaker 8: was controversial at the time, and I think looking back
Speaker 8: at it now, it was probably the best what fifteen
Speaker 8: twenty minutes that Joe Biden has spent politically in a while,
Speaker 8: because it seems to be paying off. And again we
Speaker 8: say seems because we don't know for certain, but seems
Speaker 8: to be paying off in dividends. You've got the tentative
Speaker 8: agreement with the big three in the UAW. You've now
Speaker 8: got the tentative agreement with the actors and SAG and
Speaker 8: the culinary workers out in Formula one and everybody who
Speaker 8: wants to go see you two out there. Those are
Speaker 8: all big, big wins for Joe Biden, and we see
Speaker 8: him today taking advantage of that as he goes out
Speaker 8: to Belvidere thousands of workers going back to work. You've
Speaker 8: got the Governor Pritzker there, You've got Sean Fain, and
Speaker 8: you know, you contrast that with his leading opponent, Donald Trump,
Speaker 8: spent his time talking to non union workers and saying
Speaker 8: really really bizarre things about how you know, eds were
Speaker 8: you know, a transition to hell or something like that,
Speaker 8: and speaking out and down about Sean Faine and the
Speaker 8: UAW workers and how all their jobs were going to China. Well,
Speaker 8: now look at where we are. So if these agreements
Speaker 8: do pan out, and you're talking about these poll results
Speaker 8: in these swing states Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, I
Speaker 8: mean the list goes on even a few thousand votes
Speaker 8: for Biden, that swing from Trump or people staying home
Speaker 8: is a big deal. So I do think this is
Speaker 8: paid off really well so far for Joe Biden, and
Speaker 8: we have to see how it moves forward. But he's
Speaker 8: taking a bit of a victory lap today and greatly so.
Speaker 3: Do you agree with Genie on this one? Rick? Does
Speaker 3: that mean that union members rank and file will vote
Speaker 3: for Joe Biden?
Speaker 7: You will not be surprised that I disagree with Genie.
Speaker 7: First of all, Sean Fain, the American Dream now requires
Speaker 7: you to be a Union member to be able to
Speaker 7: access the American Dream. I don't think so. Look, I
Speaker 7: think Genie actually pointed out the key vulnerability, and that
Speaker 7: is he's taken a victory lap on something that actually
Speaker 7: doesn't affect very many people in any of those targeted states.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, how many union members are in Arizona, Nevada,
Speaker 7: and Georgia, three of the six targeted states that are
Speaker 7: going to be at play. If Biden wins loses just
Speaker 7: one of those, he probably loses the presidency. I don't
Speaker 7: get it. I mean, like the issues that are affecting
Speaker 7: voters today, the reason Joe Biden is losing are things
Speaker 7: like inflation and opportunity, and I don't see him talking
Speaker 7: about those things today. And so until he starts addressing
Speaker 7: the elephant in the room, which is people's economic personal
Speaker 7: economic situation, he's just adding to the Donald Trump playlist
Speaker 7: of things to criticize. And so sure, yeah, Donald Trump
Speaker 7: says some crazy stuff, and in the last two months
Speaker 7: he's gone from losing to winning. And I think right
Speaker 7: now crazy's beaten Joe Biden pretty handily.
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, you know, Genie, you mentioned it. Let's listen
Speaker 3: to what Donald Trump mentioned to those auto Workers union workers.
Speaker 3: This was on the twenty third of October.
Speaker 10: It's the former president, you should not pay you dues
Speaker 10: because they're selling you to hell. You're going to be
Speaker 10: going to hell. You're not gonna have any jobs. All
Speaker 10: those cars are going to be made in China. Every
Speaker 10: one of them. You can forget it. In Michigan, you
Speaker 10: can forget it. South Carolina, you can forget it.
Speaker 3: Everybody.
Speaker 10: All of those cars are going to be made in China.
Speaker 3: You're going to hell. Genie, don't pay your dues. That's
Speaker 3: the winning message.
Speaker 8: It's absolutely not. I would prefer, if I had a choice,
Speaker 8: and I was one of those workers, to be with
Speaker 8: the union, which just struck a tentative, really really impressive
Speaker 8: and historic deal on Cola, on pay raises, and on
Speaker 8: so many issues. So that is where you want to be.
Speaker 8: That is where Joe Biden is. And let's not forget
Speaker 8: the next step for Sean Fain in the UAW. It
Speaker 8: is right down to some of those states that Rick
Speaker 8: was just talking about where they are going to try
Speaker 8: to unionize some non union shops like Tesla and others,
Speaker 8: And you know, this is the reality of where we
Speaker 8: are today. I would prefer to be on the side
Speaker 8: of the union and Joe Biden whether that, rather than
Speaker 8: on you know, I don't know Roseanne Barr and whatever
Speaker 8: she was screaming about and Donald Trump saying your jobs
Speaker 8: are going to hell as they strike this historic agreement,
Speaker 8: and the culinary workers are by the way out West,
Speaker 8: and they are going to benefit if this agreement goes through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what happens if they get all of
Speaker 3: these resorts behind them. My god, to think that just
Speaker 3: to play back this conversation in a couple of years
Speaker 3: will be a riot. But this is apparently where we stand.
Speaker 3: Rick Davis and gd Shanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors with us
Speaker 3: here on the Thursday edition of Sound On. And we're
Speaker 3: not done yet. We're gonna go back to Capitol Hill
Speaker 3: get some final thoughts from the panel on this new
Speaker 3: effort to defund Well everyone, they've even gotten to the
Speaker 3: Press Secretary at the White House. Defund the Press Secretary's office.
Speaker 3: Maybe that will become law, don't count on it.
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Speaker 3: Eleven thirty's have been busy on Capitol Hill, of course,
Speaker 3: not only trying to fund the government and avoid a
Speaker 3: shutdown a week from tomorrow, but many amendments, many motions
Speaker 3: to defund the people we don't like. We had one
Speaker 3: defunding the Office of the Vice President for salary and
Speaker 3: other expenses. Also the House voting down a move to
Speaker 3: reduce the White House Press Secretary's salary to one dollar.
Speaker 3: This was brought forth by Claudia Tenney, Republican from New York.
Speaker 11: Mister speak, I rise today to offer an amendment to
Speaker 11: reduce the salary of Corrine Jean Pierre, the White House
Speaker 11: Press Secretary, to one dollar, mister speaker. During Miss Jean
Speaker 11: Pierre's tenure as Press Secretary, she has repeatedly lied to
Speaker 11: the American people and acted in a condescending manner toward reporters,
Speaker 11: and also violated the Hatch Act.
Speaker 3: See I thought that being condescending to reporters might actually
Speaker 3: help the Republican Conference of the House. Rick Davis and
Speaker 3: Geanie Shanza know your thoughts on time well spent here
Speaker 3: on the House floor. Rick, this is what it's come to.
Speaker 3: You know, there'll be another one later on to defund
Speaker 3: Rick Davis if they don't agree with what they hear
Speaker 3: on the show today. Is this just the new look
Speaker 3: for the US House.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just another twist on entertainment that we've talked about.
Speaker 3: You know, they take these votes and then.
Speaker 7: They rush to their you know phone so they can
Speaker 7: tweet it out as quick as they can. Look what
Speaker 7: we've done. Of course, none of this stuff will ever
Speaker 7: be signed in the law on it just the is
Speaker 7: actually funding the government doing the work of the you know,
Speaker 7: of the government. So you know, I I I actually
Speaker 7: hate spending even two minutes talking about it because it's
Speaker 7: it's just a complete was sit down.
Speaker 3: Well, this is why people think Washington is ridiculous, Right, Genie,
Speaker 3: We're going to pay the press secretary one dollar for
Speaker 3: being mean to reporters, That's right.
Speaker 8: And this is somebody Claudia Tenny, endorsed by Donald Trump,
Speaker 8: who posted photoshopped pictures after a speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband
Speaker 8: was beat up and sent out tweet saying or you know,
Speaker 8: a Twitter account saying lots of laughs on they So,
Speaker 8: but she's deeply concerned about people being condescending and lying.
Speaker 8: It is a yes for to get advertising, and I
Speaker 8: would fight viciously against any attempt to do this. To
Speaker 8: Rick Davis, let me just say.
Speaker 3: That so I know you in the end have each
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