1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: On Bloomberg dot com, the iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Business app, or listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 3: The Republican candidates for president finally turn their fire on 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Welcome to the fastest show in politics, as 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: the race for second reaches a new level just a 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: day after Republicans were thumped in state elections. We're going 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: to talk through it with Larry Sabado, of course, at 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 3: the University of Virginia Center for Politics, the namesake of 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 3: Sabadeo's Crystal Ball. With eight days now to a government 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 3: shutdown and no plan in place to avoid one, we'll 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 3: talk about all of this with our signature panel. Bloomberg 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: Politics contributors Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano are with us 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: for the hour. Welcome to the Thursday edition of Bloomberg 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: Sound On Little Friday. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington, Folks, 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: A bit bleary eyed here at lunch today after a 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: late night watching the We'll get to the shutdown politics 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 3: of course this hour, but it was only the third 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: round here, and following the elections that we saw this 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: week in Ohio, in Virginia, in Kentucky, we were paying 22 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: extra close attention to the Republican debate last evening in Miami. 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: The big question, of course, who won, But you know 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: it's more nuanced than that, as we'll discuss with Larry 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: Sabadeo in just a moment. Ron DeSantis though at center stage, 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: and the others. Of course, you knew about Chris Christy 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: already coming out swinging in many cases against the former president, 28 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 3: and based on some of the recent polling data we've seen, 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: maybe it's no wonder why here's the governor of Florida. 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 4: Donald Trump's a lot different guy than he was in 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. He owes it to you to be on 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 4: this stage and explain why he should get another chance. 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 4: He should explain why he didn't have Mexico pay for 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 4: the border wall. He should explain why he racked up 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 4: so much debt. He should explain why he didn't drain 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: the swamp. And he said Republicans were going to get 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 4: tired of winning. What we saw last night, I'm sick 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: of Republicans losing. 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: But it doesn't seem to matter. At least when you 40 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: look at presidential polls, whether they be national or Frankly, 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: in the Swing States, donald Trump has a thirty some 42 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: point lead over Ron DeSantis and the rest of the field. 43 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: This is where we begin with Larry Sabado, the director 44 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: of the University of Virginia Center for Politics, with us 45 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: here on this day after what else could we ask for? Larry, 46 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: It's great to have you back on Bloomberg. I won't 47 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: ask you who won last night, but I'll start by 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: asking you about Donald Trump, the guy who was not 49 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: in the room. Has this been a winning strategy to 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 3: keep boycotting these debates? 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 5: Well, as you'd ask me who won, of course I 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 5: would have said Donald Trump, he's won all the debates 53 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 5: because he hasn't been there. If in fact, he ends 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 5: up to be the nominee. Right now, everybody thinks that 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 5: he will if he does. The smartest decision he would 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 5: have made, other than the decisions that led to the 57 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 5: various trials, but the smartest decision that he has made 58 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 5: is not participating in the debate. All he would have 59 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 5: done would have been to elevate these challengers. They would 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 5: have had him right there. Inevitably they would have gotten 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 5: him deeply angry and going Craig Cray and screaming, and 62 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 5: he would have It would have been the Donald Trump 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 5: that would not have sold even in this particular year 64 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 5: or next year. But he's not there, and so they're 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 5: shadow boxing. And I don't want to demean them, because 66 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 5: actually I think four of the five are quite good 67 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 5: and would make if you're going to have a Republican president. 68 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 5: They would make a decent president. I know they would 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 5: basically obey the Constitution, that'd be my guess. But they 70 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 5: don't have that ability because or they're not going to 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 5: have that ability in all probability because Donald Trump isn't there, 72 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 5: and they are the kid's table, as everyone is said, 73 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 5: they're the kid's table at Thanksgiving. It's not fair, it's 74 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 5: not right. They deserve better, but that's the way. 75 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: It is, the way it is. And the moderators have 76 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: their own approach here, and I know I'm not here 77 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 3: to analyze or criticize the moderators, but there were a 78 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: lot of questions Larry about why the issue of abortion 79 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: was relegated to the back thirty minutes of a two 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: hour debate. It took them ninety minutes to get to 81 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: the issue that really seemed to dominate the elections. The 82 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 3: night before, a lot of folks in advance were looking 83 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: specifically at Nicky Haley to see if she could make 84 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: some headway on this issue. And here's how she put 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: it last night. 86 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 6: As much as on pro life, I don't judge anyone 87 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 6: for being pro choice, and I don't want them to judge. 88 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,239 Speaker 3: Me for being pro life. 89 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 6: So when we're looking at this, there are some states 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 6: that are going more on the pro life side. I 91 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 6: welcome that there's some states that are going more on 92 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 6: the pro choice side. I wish that wasn't the case, 93 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 6: but the people decided. But when it comes to the law, 94 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 6: which is what's being debated here, be honest, it's going 95 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 6: to take sixty Senate votes, a majority of the House, 96 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 6: and a president to sign it. 97 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: A reality check and another outreach to those who may 98 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 3: not agree with her on this, Larry was that the 99 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: winning message for Republicans on that singular issue of abortion. 100 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 5: Well, it's a better message than the ones they've been 101 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 5: using for the most part, because it's not selling. You know, 102 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 5: after a while, as the old saying goes, if you 103 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 5: spend a fortune on the dog food, and the label 104 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 5: looks great and the dogs never eat it. It's probably 105 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 5: because the dog food isn't very good, and the dogs 106 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 5: are the ones that get to determine what the masters buy. 107 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 5: So her answer was perfectly reasonable from a political sense. 108 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 5: And by the way, she's absolutely right if you don't 109 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 5: get sixty votes in the Senate. This is all just 110 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 5: kabuki theater. It's just play acting, and that's what politicians 111 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 5: do a lot. But I agree with you, we didn't 112 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 5: get to some of the substance of questions until later. 113 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 5: And I also think they should have asked a lot 114 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 5: more about Donald Trump. They could have gotten into the 115 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 5: particulars and let them react to it. But you know, 116 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 5: as you say, it's easy to criticize moderators. I've done 117 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 5: debates myself and it's horrible. I have nothing but sympathy 118 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 5: for the moderators. 119 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a fun job. You mentioned four of five. 120 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: I think I know that fifth. You're referring to the veck. 121 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: Ramaswami had a lot of one line. Did I mention, Well, 122 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna let you disagree with me. I will 123 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: just move ahead with the strategy from the VIK Ramaswami 124 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: to criticize the RNC chair, call for her resignation on 125 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: the stage, ask for replacement moderators, all before answering a question, 126 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: what did you make of the approach? 127 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 5: He was trying to attract attention, and he was trying 128 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 5: to be the Donald Trump, the new Donald Trump of 129 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 5: this election. Michael ain't ever going to happen. And he 130 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 5: was so extreme that he was in orbit and I 131 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 5: think it was more orbiting Mars than it was Earth. 132 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 5: I think he hurt himself with anybody who isn't in 133 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 5: that little niche that he appeals to, and it is 134 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 5: a small niche. I mean, he's at six seven percent 135 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 5: in most of the polls, and polls can change, but 136 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 5: you're not going to go from six to seven percent 137 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 5: to a large plurality and win the nomination. 138 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: Larry Sabada with us. Before I let you go, Larry, 139 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: I want to bring people back to the tweet of yesterday, 140 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: clearance Sale. This is in the wake of a very 141 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: difficult night for Republicans in Virginia, specifically Glenn Youngkin, who 142 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: was even said to be basing presidential aspirations on the 143 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: outcome of these elections. You wrote clearance sale all young 144 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: and for President twenty four merchandise A free my pillow 145 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: comes with all purchases over a dollar, no returns. Larry, 146 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: we got another rough headline shortly after you made that tweet. 147 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: The FBI headquarters is going to Greenbelt, Maryland, not Virginia 148 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: as he was hoping. Is this the worst week of 149 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: his political career so far? 150 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 5: Well, it's been a very short political career, but yes, 151 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 5: it has been the first week he's had. I understand 152 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 5: that objections are being very severe, objections implying corruption. And 153 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 5: I think the Washington Post is breaking a story on 154 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 5: as maybe already has done so, but will will shortly, 155 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 5: so people might want to pay attention. I don't think 156 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 5: that Maryland is going to get it quite as easily 157 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 5: as they thought, and this might cause a reconsideration, so 158 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 5: pay attention. 159 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: Wow, you just heard it straight from Larry Sabada. Great 160 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: to have you back, Larry from the University of Virginia 161 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: Center for Politics. Jerry Conley, the congressman from Virginia, tweets 162 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: lacking even the basic courtesy of a heads up. GSA 163 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 3: has reportedly decided on a Maryland site for the new 164 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: FBI headquarters. If this is sounds strange to you, this 165 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 3: has been going on for a very long time, as 166 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: the existing FBI headquarters, sitting a few blocks away from 167 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: where I am now on Pennsylvania Avenue, literally crumbles into dust. 168 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: And this has been a long running dispute that came 169 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: down to two Maryland Virginia. There was even a basketball 170 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 3: match I believe set up there threatened between Glenn Youngkin 171 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: and Wes Moore. Let's assemble our panel for their take 172 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: on the debate. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzano are with 173 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: us Bloomberg Politics contributors. I won't pull you into the 174 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: FBI headquarters debate quite yet, but I'm deeply curious to know. 175 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: Of course, we were watching, so you didn't have to. 176 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: All right, Rick, what do you think on this one? 177 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 3: Donald Trump doesn't show up. We know they got a 178 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: few million to watch these debates, it's at least the 179 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: first few of them. But it doesn't have that mainstream 180 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: impact without his presence, does it. 181 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 6: Yeah? 182 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 7: I think Larry Sabadeau is right. Won't be the first 183 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 7: time I've agreed with him that Donald Trump's the big 184 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 7: winner of these debates. Obviously, there's been some uplift for 185 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 7: Nikki Hayley, and the two previous debates put her back 186 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 7: on track as a campaign doing well in Iowa, New Hampshire, 187 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 7: you know, really significant movement in New Hampshire, and you 188 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 7: pretty much have to assume it's both her performance on 189 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 7: the stump and her performance on the debates. So it's 190 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 7: had some positive impact. But you know, you don't see 191 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 7: anybody using the platform millions of people watching. You can 192 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 7: parse how many, but it's a platform where you can 193 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 7: communicate to a lot of Republicans who probably are the 194 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 7: only ones who watch these debates, you know, to contrast 195 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 7: with Trump. And as Larry said, I mean, other than 196 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 7: getting asked the first question, I look that how much 197 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 7: time was spent on each issue, and time spent on 198 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 7: Donald Trump was less than time spent talking about Venezuela. Now, 199 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 7: I don't know about you, but I don't think Venezuela 200 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 7: is a big issue in this campaign, but for sure 201 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 7: Donald Trump is. So again, I think we just these 202 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 7: guys are just missing opportunities to get in this game. 203 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what. Certainly, Ronda Santis and Nicki 204 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: Haley were being scrutinized last evening they both showed up 205 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 3: Genie to the fight. The vike Ramaswami had his own strategy, 206 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: it seemed. I wonder, if you think anybody moved the needle, 207 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: will Ronda Santis be at center stage? Nicki Haley at 208 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: his side when we do another one of these. 209 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 8: That's the way it should be. You know, clearly, if 210 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 8: anybody has got a shot for second place, it is 211 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 8: those two. The other three really don't have a shot. 212 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 8: And so you know, one thing that made this debate 213 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 8: better for those of us who watched it was there 214 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 8: were fewer people on the stage. They all got more time. 215 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 8: I have to tell you, I was really of two 216 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 8: minds on this. On the one hand, it was really 217 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 8: really depressing because it was a substantive debate and yet 218 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 8: not one of these people is polling in any way 219 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 8: that can best Donald Trump. And so you know it 220 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 8: is depressing because then you think about it. Donald Trump 221 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 8: was eleven miles outside of Miami talking about his love 222 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 8: for Hannibal Lecter. It was very bizarre, and he has 223 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 8: the shot of being president and these four and I 224 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 8: had two am going to accept vivig Ramaswami are really 225 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 8: people who have a lot to say on critical issues. 226 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 8: It was a substantive debate. I think DeSantis and Haley 227 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 8: performed very well. I give the moderator's credit. It was 228 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 8: well done. And yet what was the size of the audience? 229 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 8: And do any of these people have a shot if 230 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 8: Donald Trump is this juggernaut? So it is a bit 231 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 8: depressing to think of it that way. And the only 232 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 8: person who'd be in the cabinet is the vike Ramaswami. 233 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 8: And I'm not even going to get started because that 234 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 8: was a whole mess right up there with vike Ramaswami 235 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 8: last night. 236 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: Well, as I mentioned, he came with a peculiar strategy 237 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: to attack the host of the party, essentially in our 238 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: NC chair RONA McDaniel. Here he is speak the truth. 239 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 9: I mean, since Ronald McDaniel took over as chairwoman of 240 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 9: the RNC in twenty seventeen, we have lost twenty eighteen, 241 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,119 Speaker 9: twenty twenty, twenty twenty. 242 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: Two, no red wave that never came. 243 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 9: We got trounced last night in twenty twenty three. And 244 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 9: I think that we have to have accountability in our 245 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 9: party for that matter. 246 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: Ro On, if you want to come. 247 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 9: On stage tonight, you want to look the GOP voters 248 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 9: in the eye and tell them you resign. I will 249 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 9: turn over my yield, my time to you. 250 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 3: That never did end up happening, Rick, But in our 251 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: last moment, I don't know if you've caught these two 252 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 3: off the side of the stage later, but they were 253 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: having a very intense conversation. Did he just talk himself 254 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: right out of the Republican. 255 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 7: I think he's been talking himself right out of the 256 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 7: Republican race. I mean, when you start at zero and 257 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 7: you know you're able to make yourself to a few 258 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 7: single digits, your message isn't connecting. But I agree with 259 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 7: him on this. Ron Romney should leave. She's allows the 260 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 7: chairman of the RNC and all she knows how to 261 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 7: do is lose. 262 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: Wow, Genie, I don't know if you want to add that. 263 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: We have a few other things to get through here, 264 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: and we will have time. Is Ron McDaniel going to 265 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: be the chair of the RNC after this cycle? 266 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 8: No, she should not be. You can't lose this much. 267 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 8: But interestingly, he didn't blame Donald Trump, the head of 268 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 8: the party, for any of those losses. By the way, 269 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 8: all his attacks in those first two questions were against women, 270 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 8: despite the fact there were men on the stage and 271 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 8: off who, if he was being honest, should have been 272 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 8: at the end of those receiving end of those attacks. 273 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 8: Very distressing. 274 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: Well, we're going to get into the performance of the 275 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: two front runners. Coming up next. This is Bloomberg. 276 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: To the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch the program live 277 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the tune in alf, 278 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business App. You can 279 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our flagship New 280 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: York station Just Say Alexa played Bloomberg eleven thirty. 281 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: So the high heels did come up in the debate 282 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: last night. You know, we were all watching for it, 283 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: listening for it, just didn't come up exactly the way 284 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: we expected. As we've been discussing with the panel, Rick 285 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: Davis and Genie Shanzano. Vivek Ramaswami showed up with his 286 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: sights set on Nicki Haley, and that's where the heels 287 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: were in. 288 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 9: Folks, do you want a leader from a different generation 289 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 9: who's going to put this country first? Or do you 290 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 9: want Dick Cheney in three inch heels? 291 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: All right, mister ate, we've got two of them on stage. 292 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: Thank you, Sator going after her foreign policy credentials, Dick Cheney, 293 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 3: he said in three inch heels. 294 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 6: She was ready for it at first, like to say, 295 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 6: they're five inch heels and I don't wear them unless 296 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 6: you can run in them. 297 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 8: We've got two. 298 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 6: Of you on still, that's a thing that I will say, 299 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 6: is I wear heels or not for a fashion statement? 300 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 6: They're for ammunition. 301 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: No, I'm not sure about the ammunition. Are we throwing 302 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: heels around now? We're kicking people on the trail. But 303 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: of course the fashion statement referring there too, Ron DeSantis 304 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 3: and the lifts inside the cowboy boots. We never did 305 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: get to the bottom of it. He stayed quiet through 306 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: that whole thing. But look a lot of people are 307 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: up on Nicki Haley again. She seems to do well 308 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: in these forums. And then the day after it gets 309 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: a little bit of a bump. We'll see how the 310 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: panel feels about it. Rick and Jeanie are back with 311 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: us Bloomberg Politics contributors. I could play you more from 312 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: both of them, and I will the Vivake Nicky rivalry 313 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: here Rick Davis, But I wonder if he thinks she 314 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: actually moved the needle for herself or if ron DeSantis 315 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: will still be center stage in the next debate. 316 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think she did well for herself. I think 317 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 7: people are watching to see if she's got what it 318 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 7: takes to be president. She certainly made a good pitch 319 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 7: in the first hour of the debate to be commander 320 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 7: in chief. Right, that's one of the boxes that everybody 321 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 7: has to pass in order for Republicans in this case 322 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 7: to have confidence in putting him in the oval office. 323 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 7: And I would say too pretty deaf handling of the 324 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 7: social issues. We talked earlier in the program about abortion. 325 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 7: Thought she actually got away with something there. I'm a 326 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 7: little surprised the other pro lifers on the stand didn't 327 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 7: really go after but other than Ramaswami, there didn't seem 328 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 7: to be a whole lot of appetite to take her on. 329 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 7: So in that regard, I think she got through the 330 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 7: debate very well and will continue to move up as 331 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 7: people look for options. Donald Trump, I would say that 332 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 7: DeSantis comported himself pretty well from the point of view 333 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 7: of in a different lane than she is, right. I mean, 334 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 7: she's in the interventionist foreign policy lane. He's in the protectionist, 335 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 7: you know, don't don't don't get engaged around the world. 336 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 7: And when he got asked questions about foreign policy, he 337 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 7: turned it back to the border. And that is a 338 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 7: very popular thing to do for most Republican primary voters. So, 339 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 7: even though we are left scratching our heads, going why 340 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 7: is the answer to the question, the answers he's giving 341 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 7: will resonate with some Republican primary voters, especially those in Iowa. 342 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 3: You seem like he's getting better at this Rick. I 343 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: know it might be too little, too late, but it 344 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: did seem like his best performance so far. 345 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 7: Yeah. Look, I think he's just the talking point candidate. 346 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 7: I mean, he's good at like just hammering around talking points. 347 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 7: He doesn't tell stories, he doesn't you know, talk about 348 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 7: people's values. He doesn't put it into context. He just 349 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 7: blurts out, you know, sort of talking points. And his 350 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 7: talking points are poll tested, right, and so he's hitting 351 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 7: those numbers, you know, in order to get voters to 352 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 7: take a look at him in the way that they 353 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 7: want it. Can to talk. He's uninspiring, but on message, 354 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 7: and I'd say that's the nicest thing I can say 355 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 7: about his performance. 356 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: I'd like to hear from me on the issue of 357 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: abortion and what we heard around the stage last night 358 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 3: Jeanie as I was discussing with Larry Sabadow, this did 359 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: not come up for ninety minutes, which is noteworthy after 360 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: the role that this issue clearly played in the elections 361 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: of the day before that did not go well for 362 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: so many Republican candidates. Senator Scott went to the fifteen 363 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 3: week band. We heard quite a bit about that. Ron 364 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: de Santis didn't go too far into this, even though 365 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: a six week ban was signed in the state of Florida. 366 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: He was a little bit more vague on things, and 367 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: Nicki Haley, as we played earlier, said I won't judge 368 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: anyone for being pro choice, but I am unapologetically pro life. 369 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: Did she win the messaging on that issue last night? 370 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 8: You know, I think Democrats still win the messaging on that, 371 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 8: but out of five of them, certainly. Nicky Haley had 372 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 8: a very strong answer on that. She said, I am 373 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 8: pro life because my husband was adopted. I had difficulty 374 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 8: conceiving it's personal for me, and I'm not, to your point, 375 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 8: going to judge people who have a different view. She 376 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 8: also said, rightly, so what the reality is there? Aren't 377 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 8: sixty votes in the Senate to get a federal ban. 378 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 8: This should be left to the states. And in that respect, 379 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 8: she was similar to Chris Christy, and I would note 380 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 8: there were a lot of issues on which Nicky Haley 381 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 8: and Chris Christy on that stage last night lined up. 382 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 8: But the problem for Republicans remains as a whole. They 383 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 8: cannot figure their way out of this issue, and it 384 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 8: is going to continue to drag them down. And we 385 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 8: heard this from Tim Scott last night. They are mistaking 386 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 8: this idea. They still are clinging, like Glynn Youngkin was 387 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 8: to this notion of a fifteen week ban. People don't 388 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 8: care whether it's twelve weeks, fifteen weeks, eighteen weeks about 389 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 8: that number in those policies specifics. What they're hearing is 390 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 8: you are taking away our rights, you are taking away 391 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 8: our ability to get healthcare. You are trying to have 392 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 8: a strong government hand in what we do with our bodies. 393 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 8: I don't care whether you say it's eighteen weeks fifteen weeks. 394 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 8: The number doesn't matter. And that's what Republicans have to 395 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 8: grapple with, and it's going to be a really difficult 396 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 8: thing for them to find their way around. But I 397 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 8: do think Nikki Haley saying a federal ban or a 398 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 8: federal limit is off the table is probably the way 399 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 8: they're going to have to go. And again, you've got 400 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 8: Donald Trump out there, responsible for all of this, who 401 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 8: is trying to also moderate his views on this, and 402 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 8: that is going to be very difficult, even for somebody 403 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 8: who talks a lot like Donald Trump to figure his 404 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 8: way out of that conundrum involving the people he appointed 405 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 8: to the court who single handedly overturned. 406 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: Row Well, I'm just going to apologize in advance for 407 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 3: this because Donald Trump did speak at a rally last 408 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: evening counterprogramming. He was also in Florida, And just to 409 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: give you a sense of how this went last evening, 410 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: while these five Republican presidential candidates were sparring, albeit not 411 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: always on policy, this is what was happening at the 412 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 3: Trump rally as he was introduced by Roseanne Barr. 413 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: Aren't we all fat up with the deep state? 414 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 6: Boss? 415 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? This keeps going. 416 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 8: We want Trump the magador to kill that. 417 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 4: Boo and. 418 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: Kill that I figured i'd stopped there. Donald Trump was 419 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: also there last evening, said he was bored with the debates. 420 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: Larry Sabado said, though he won last night, Rick, do 421 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: you agree, Yeah, I agree. 422 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 7: I think that by avoiding any confrontation with the second 423 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 7: choice competition at the debate, he kept them from being 424 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 7: able to really do any damage to him. Honestly, I 425 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 7: still am dumbfounded as to why nobody on the stage 426 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 7: really took it upon themselves to contrast with Trump other 427 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 7: than answering the first question of the night. It's just 428 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 7: baffling to me that they basically are giving him a 429 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 7: walk on the debates. And so, believe me, if they 430 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 7: all attacked him, he'd want to show up for the 431 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 7: next one. And so I think that this idea that 432 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 7: they're all going to you know, give you know, no 433 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 7: attention to Donald Trump is ultimately going to be seen 434 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 7: after the fact is one of the biggest mistakes of 435 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 7: the of the undercard. 436 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 3: Wow new Emerson pull out today, Genie, we don't have 437 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: time for the deep dive. But it's a battleground state, 438 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: pole swing state. Donald Trump beats Joe Biden in Georgia, 439 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, in Wisconsin, in Nevada, in Arizona. I thought 440 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: he was the one Joe Biden wanted to run against. 441 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, he was very concerning. Repeat of the Bloomberg Morning Counsul, 442 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 8: repeat of Siana New York Times. Now we have Emerson. 443 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 8: The numbers we are seeing are not a one off 444 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 8: and they are not a shock anymore. They are what 445 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 8: they are. Biden's team has to be concerned. And of course, 446 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 8: let's keep in mind, Trump, as much as he's in 447 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 8: the news today, is not necessarily in the news as 448 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 8: a candidate. So I look at some of these polls 449 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 8: as a reflection of what people are feeling about the 450 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 8: country in Biden. When is it a head to head 451 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 8: matchup between Biden and Trump? And he is really very 452 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 8: much in the news for the issues of the day 453 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 8: and running we may see some slight differences there, but 454 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 8: Democrats are concerned. Hence you see Biden heading out to 455 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 8: the Midwest to try to shore up some of these 456 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 8: states where he is flagging off and Pennsylvania being a 457 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 8: Union state. He's very cognizant of that. 458 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 3: Something like hanging out with Rick and Jeanie the day 459 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: after a debate, Right, they're all ours for the hour. 460 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 461 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: Live weekdays at one Eastern on. 462 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: Bloomberg dot Com, the iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg Business app. 463 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: Or listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts. 464 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: President Biden leaves the bubble today, the most union friendly 465 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: president in American history, on his way to Illinois. It's 466 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 3: to meet with well the unions. This after the Big 467 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: Three cut deals with the UAW. Joe Biden's going to 468 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 3: be out there, not too far from Chicago, to meet 469 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 3: with members of the UAW and of course appear with 470 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 3: the leader of the union, Sean Fame. 471 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: We do not always secured a record contract. We have 472 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: begun to turn the tie on the war on the 473 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: American working class, and we truly are saving the American dream. 474 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: Saving the American dream. And that's the message, of course 475 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 3: from the Biden administration. They're out there for the reopening 476 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: of a Stalantis plant. More specifically, it's been a lot 477 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: of news from the world of organized labor. It's not 478 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 3: just the Big Three in the UAW that the President 479 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: would clearly be taking a victory lap for here where 480 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 3: he became the first president to walk a picket line 481 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: just a few weeks back with the UAW. But we've 482 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 3: got news today. Just look at the terminal the actors 483 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: strike ending after one hundred and eighteen days. Studios and 484 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: union reached the deal. When do we get our shows back? 485 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 3: Not as soon as you might think. Separate story there, 486 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 3: But also, how about what's happening in Las Vegas right now? 487 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 3: The big F one race set to kick off in 488 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 3: just days and the Culinary Workers Union twenty five thousand 489 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 3: members strong on the strip threatening to strike against all 490 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 3: the big resorts. Well, they're tumbling lie like dominos now 491 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 3: if you take a look, yesterday it was Caesar's. Today, 492 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: MGM cuts a deal. We'll see what happens when Win 493 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: reports after the bell Culinary Workers' Union a tentative five 494 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 3: year contract of historic nature. We read given wage increases 495 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 3: in the first year in funds allotted to healthcare and 496 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: pensions that according to the Culinary Union Secretary treasurer. Let's 497 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 3: reassemble our panel for their take on this. Rick Davis 498 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: and Genie Shanzano. Is this a winning message then? For 499 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 3: Joe Biden? Jeanie, did he roll the dice and win 500 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: as these strikes turn into contracts and nearly averted strikes 501 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 3: lead to historic wage increases? 502 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 8: He did? 503 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: You know? 504 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 8: I was just thinking when you were talking about him 505 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 8: going out on that standing on that picket line, which 506 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 8: was controversial at the time, and I think looking back 507 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 8: at it now, it was probably the best what fifteen 508 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 8: twenty minutes that Joe Biden has spent politically in a while, 509 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 8: because it seems to be paying off. And again we 510 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 8: say seems because we don't know for certain, but seems 511 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 8: to be paying off in dividends. You've got the tentative 512 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 8: agreement with the big three in the UAW. You've now 513 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 8: got the tentative agreement with the actors and SAG and 514 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 8: the culinary workers out in Formula one and everybody who 515 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 8: wants to go see you two out there. Those are 516 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 8: all big, big wins for Joe Biden, and we see 517 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 8: him today taking advantage of that as he goes out 518 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 8: to Belvidere thousands of workers going back to work. You've 519 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 8: got the Governor Pritzker there, You've got Sean Fain, and 520 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 8: you know, you contrast that with his leading opponent, Donald Trump, 521 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 8: spent his time talking to non union workers and saying 522 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 8: really really bizarre things about how you know, eds were 523 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 8: you know, a transition to hell or something like that, 524 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 8: and speaking out and down about Sean Faine and the 525 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 8: UAW workers and how all their jobs were going to China. Well, 526 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 8: now look at where we are. So if these agreements 527 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 8: do pan out, and you're talking about these poll results 528 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 8: in these swing states Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, I 529 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 8: mean the list goes on even a few thousand votes 530 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 8: for Biden, that swing from Trump or people staying home 531 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 8: is a big deal. So I do think this is 532 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 8: paid off really well so far for Joe Biden, and 533 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 8: we have to see how it moves forward. But he's 534 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 8: taking a bit of a victory lap today and greatly so. 535 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: Do you agree with Genie on this one? Rick? Does 536 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 3: that mean that union members rank and file will vote 537 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: for Joe Biden? 538 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 7: You will not be surprised that I disagree with Genie. 539 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 7: First of all, Sean Fain, the American Dream now requires 540 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 7: you to be a Union member to be able to 541 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 7: access the American Dream. I don't think so. Look, I 542 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 7: think Genie actually pointed out the key vulnerability, and that 543 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 7: is he's taken a victory lap on something that actually 544 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 7: doesn't affect very many people in any of those targeted states. 545 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 7: I'm sorry, how many union members are in Arizona, Nevada, 546 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 7: and Georgia, three of the six targeted states that are 547 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 7: going to be at play. If Biden wins loses just 548 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 7: one of those, he probably loses the presidency. I don't 549 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 7: get it. I mean, like the issues that are affecting 550 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 7: voters today, the reason Joe Biden is losing are things 551 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 7: like inflation and opportunity, and I don't see him talking 552 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 7: about those things today. And so until he starts addressing 553 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 7: the elephant in the room, which is people's economic personal 554 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 7: economic situation, he's just adding to the Donald Trump playlist 555 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 7: of things to criticize. And so sure, yeah, Donald Trump 556 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 7: says some crazy stuff, and in the last two months 557 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 7: he's gone from losing to winning. And I think right 558 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 7: now crazy's beaten Joe Biden pretty handily. 559 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: Wow. Well, you know, Genie, you mentioned it. Let's listen 560 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: to what Donald Trump mentioned to those auto Workers union workers. 561 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: This was on the twenty third of October. 562 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 10: It's the former president, you should not pay you dues 563 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 10: because they're selling you to hell. You're going to be 564 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 10: going to hell. You're not gonna have any jobs. All 565 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 10: those cars are going to be made in China. Every 566 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 10: one of them. You can forget it. In Michigan, you 567 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 10: can forget it. South Carolina, you can forget it. 568 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 3: Everybody. 569 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 10: All of those cars are going to be made in China. 570 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 3: You're going to hell. Genie, don't pay your dues. That's 571 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: the winning message. 572 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 8: It's absolutely not. I would prefer, if I had a choice, 573 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 8: and I was one of those workers, to be with 574 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 8: the union, which just struck a tentative, really really impressive 575 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 8: and historic deal on Cola, on pay raises, and on 576 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 8: so many issues. So that is where you want to be. 577 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 8: That is where Joe Biden is. And let's not forget 578 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 8: the next step for Sean Fain in the UAW. It 579 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 8: is right down to some of those states that Rick 580 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 8: was just talking about where they are going to try 581 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 8: to unionize some non union shops like Tesla and others, 582 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 8: And you know, this is the reality of where we 583 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 8: are today. I would prefer to be on the side 584 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 8: of the union and Joe Biden whether that, rather than 585 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 8: on you know, I don't know Roseanne Barr and whatever 586 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 8: she was screaming about and Donald Trump saying your jobs 587 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 8: are going to hell as they strike this historic agreement, 588 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 8: and the culinary workers are by the way out West, 589 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 8: and they are going to benefit if this agreement goes through. 590 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what happens if they get all of 591 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: these resorts behind them. My god, to think that just 592 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: to play back this conversation in a couple of years 593 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: will be a riot. But this is apparently where we stand. 594 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: Rick Davis and gd Shanzano, Bloomberg Politics contributors with us 595 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: here on the Thursday edition of Sound On. And we're 596 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 3: not done yet. We're gonna go back to Capitol Hill 597 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 3: get some final thoughts from the panel on this new 598 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 3: effort to defund Well everyone, they've even gotten to the 599 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 3: Press Secretary at the White House. Defund the Press Secretary's office. 600 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 3: Maybe that will become law, don't count on it. 601 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch the 602 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the 603 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: tune in app, Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business app. 604 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 605 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: flagship New York station, Just say Alexa play Bloomberg. 606 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: Eleven thirty's have been busy on Capitol Hill, of course, 607 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 3: not only trying to fund the government and avoid a 608 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 3: shutdown a week from tomorrow, but many amendments, many motions 609 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: to defund the people we don't like. We had one 610 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 3: defunding the Office of the Vice President for salary and 611 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 3: other expenses. Also the House voting down a move to 612 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 3: reduce the White House Press Secretary's salary to one dollar. 613 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 3: This was brought forth by Claudia Tenney, Republican from New York. 614 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 11: Mister speak, I rise today to offer an amendment to 615 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 11: reduce the salary of Corrine Jean Pierre, the White House 616 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 11: Press Secretary, to one dollar, mister speaker. During Miss Jean 617 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 11: Pierre's tenure as Press Secretary, she has repeatedly lied to 618 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 11: the American people and acted in a condescending manner toward reporters, 619 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 11: and also violated the Hatch Act. 620 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 3: See I thought that being condescending to reporters might actually 621 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 3: help the Republican Conference of the House. Rick Davis and 622 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: Geanie Shanza know your thoughts on time well spent here 623 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 3: on the House floor. Rick, this is what it's come to. 624 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 3: You know, there'll be another one later on to defund 625 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 3: Rick Davis if they don't agree with what they hear 626 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 3: on the show today. Is this just the new look 627 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 3: for the US House. 628 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just another twist on entertainment that we've talked about. 629 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 3: You know, they take these votes and then. 630 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 7: They rush to their you know phone so they can 631 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 7: tweet it out as quick as they can. Look what 632 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 7: we've done. Of course, none of this stuff will ever 633 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 7: be signed in the law on it just the is 634 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 7: actually funding the government doing the work of the you know, 635 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 7: of the government. So you know, I I I actually 636 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 7: hate spending even two minutes talking about it because it's 637 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 7: it's just a complete was sit down. 638 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: Well, this is why people think Washington is ridiculous, Right, Genie, 639 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 3: We're going to pay the press secretary one dollar for 640 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 3: being mean to reporters, That's right. 641 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 8: And this is somebody Claudia Tenny, endorsed by Donald Trump, 642 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 8: who posted photoshopped pictures after a speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband 643 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 8: was beat up and sent out tweet saying or you know, 644 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 8: a Twitter account saying lots of laughs on they So, 645 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 8: but she's deeply concerned about people being condescending and lying. 646 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 8: It is a yes for to get advertising, and I 647 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 8: would fight viciously against any attempt to do this. To 648 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 8: Rick Davis, let me just say. 649 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: That so I know you in the end have each 650 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 3: other's backs. Thanks for listening to The Sound On Podcast. 651 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: Make sure to subscribe if you haven't already, at Apple, Spotify, 652 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 3: anywhere else you get your podcasts, and you can find 653 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 3: us live every weekday from Washington, DC at one pm 654 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 3: Eastern Time at Bloomberg dot com.