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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, it's your Girl's Rika Foster Brasby.

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Speaker 3: What's up, y'all? It's your girl, Cheryl Swoops And this

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Speaker 3: is a levels to this.

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Speaker 4: This is the show where we talk about the various

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Speaker 4: levels of shit that women go through, and recently we've

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Speaker 4: been talking about the various levels of shit that everybody

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Speaker 4: going through because it's been that kind of a month

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Speaker 4: for real. But first and foremost, before we get into

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Speaker 4: our surface level conversation, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl, Hey bo, howell you.

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Speaker 3: I'm great.

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Speaker 1: I got something on my mind. Oh honey, get it

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Speaker 1: all mine, Get it off.

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Speaker 3: The place I needs to get it off.

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Speaker 2: Get it off all right.

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Speaker 1: So the other day I recorded an episode with Jordan Robinson,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we talked about various things, the finals

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Speaker 1: and just stuff, right wnba stuff, And Jordan informed me

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Speaker 1: that game one of this year's finals ranked second only

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Speaker 1: behind the nineteen ninety seven finals.

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Speaker 3: So you're laughing because you know where I'm going.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 1: But let me just educate the people out there for

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Speaker 1: a second, so that nineteen ninety seven finals would have

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Speaker 1: been the New York Liberty versus.

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Speaker 3: The one the only Houston comic m right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So Jordan said that to me, and you know,

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Speaker 1: my petty ass, I had to get a little pettiness

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Speaker 2: Of course, you did.

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Speaker 3: I want to get what do you think? I said?

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Speaker 1: I that y'all was the shit, And it don't make

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Speaker 1: no difference pretty much. But here's what I here's what

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Speaker 1: I actually said. Because you know, the talk today is, well,

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Speaker 1: no one watched the WNBA back in the day.

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Speaker 3: So when Jordan told me that, I was petty, and

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Speaker 3: I said.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you mean people really did watch back there?

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Speaker 3: That was petty, but I thought it was funny, it

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Speaker 3: was cute.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So we had a laugh.

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Speaker 1: We had that conversation, and then we go on to

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Speaker 1: talk about whatever we were going to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the good part.

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Speaker 1: So I wake up this morning and you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: going social media since and I see a headline that

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Speaker 1: says this isn't word for word, but it basically says,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Swoops gets petty talking about the w n b

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Speaker 1: A Finals viewership or something like that, and this was

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Speaker 1: on SI dot com.

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Speaker 2: So usually t I'm like, are you sure a real

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Speaker 2: person wrote it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, A I write this stuff. But it was a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of you know, just different topics. So well

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Speaker 1: maybe he did.

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Speaker 3: Have a I write it.

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Speaker 1: Not that I care, but I was like, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I know what I said, but I just had to

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Speaker 1: go look and you know, see, so I'm reading all

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Speaker 1: the things and then it gets down to you know

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Speaker 1: what I just told you I.

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Speaker 3: Said, which to me was funny, it was cute. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was petty.

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Speaker 1: But this person, this person by the name of Grant Young,

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Speaker 1: because I looked him up.

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Speaker 3: Oh uh huh, he says.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Swoops gets petty by saying, oh, well, people really

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Speaker 1: did watch back then.

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Speaker 2: But here's what he said, Gray.

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Speaker 3: He tried to come for me.

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Speaker 1: And said, but she only played five minutes and had

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Speaker 3: Here's the part I need mister Grant Young to know

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Speaker 1: First of all, buddy, you clearly just started watching even

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Speaker 1: if you watch, even if you watch, But what you don't,

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Speaker 3: Put in that article.

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Speaker 1: Yep, is this that Finals championship game was on August

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Speaker 1: the thirtieth. Cheryl Swoops gave birth to her son on

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Speaker 1: June the twenty fifth of that same year. So the

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Speaker 3: Minutes two months after giving birth, what have you done?

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Speaker 1: Could never do it, could literally never do it ever,

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Speaker 1: never ever ever, never ever ever. So I just needed

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Speaker 1: that's cute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did play.

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Speaker 1: Five minutes, didn't score, but you know what, I did

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Speaker 1: get a championship.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I don't care how many minutes I played. Ask the aces,

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Speaker 1: the players who did. Ask Kid Stokes if she cares

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Speaker 1: how many minutes she played, because she walked off with

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Speaker 2: One, another one, and another one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So like, don't try to be like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: she talking about they did watch back then, but she

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Speaker 4: Though, the point still remains that it was the number

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Speaker 4: So people need to just let this narrative go that

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Speaker 4: folks only started tuning in right now, I used to

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Speaker 4: say the same thing about Vivian Stringer. People used to

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Speaker 4: get on my nerves talk about folks saying watching college

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Speaker 4: and I was like, do.

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Speaker 3: Y'all not know how many arenas that that black woman

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Speaker 3: pecked out? Oh my gosh, come on, do you like

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Speaker 3: you know even for me?

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Speaker 1: Since you brought Vivian Stringer up right, because I remember

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Speaker 1: people talking about, you know, Iowa making it to the

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Speaker 1: final four and it was like the first time. I

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Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, no, because I was there

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three when coach Vivian C. Stringer took

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Speaker 4: Sure did, and I remember I am good friends with one,

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Speaker 4: said Felicia hall Allen.

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Speaker 3: Who played at IOWA at that time.

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Speaker 4: But you know it is people who just started watching yesterday.

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Speaker 4: They don't understand the game. Yeah you know, yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: okay cool. I just think you for letting me get

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Speaker 4: that off.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you got that off. That's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, And the funny thing is because

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he thought he was like doing

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Speaker 3: I told Jordan, I was gonna be petty. I needed

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Speaker 3: to be petty.

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Speaker 2: And that's moment, folks don't ever listen. Listen, listen.

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Speaker 4: I need people to understand because something similar happened to

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Speaker 2: Right, so last.

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Speaker 3: Somebody say you didn't know none about basketball?

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Speaker 2: Oh girl, somebody I get that.

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Speaker 4: Every other day somebody told me I don't know about basketball,

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Speaker 4: but this this particular person. So I don't think I

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Speaker 4: told you all this because it was funny, but this

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Speaker 4: my way, Chris, Chris Williamson made a tweet about mad Gufson.

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Speaker 2: Said, because the day that Asia hit that shot.

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Speaker 3: She was saying, she was sitting in the corner with

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Speaker 2: Now we all she was in a shooter.

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Speaker 3: Ready, do you hear me? Ready?

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Speaker 1: She was the ship if you weren't about to get

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Speaker 4: You knew Asia wann't for to give you that ball,

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Speaker 4: but you know what, you better be ready.

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Speaker 2: Now we are good that the actual concept of what

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Speaker 4: Yes, Chris made a joke and said, Meg is hilarious

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Speaker 4: for this with the picture. And when I saw the tweet,

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Speaker 4: I thought that the way Chris captioned it was hilarious.

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Speaker 2: So I retweeted, So I retweeted Chris.

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Speaker 4: And I said a fool because I'm talking about him

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Speaker 4: like this catch is hilarious.

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Speaker 3: I know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Do you know how many people retweeted that tweet talking

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Speaker 4: about Tarika is calling Meg Govsenson a fool and tagging

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Speaker 4: Asia talking about is this?

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Speaker 3: Are you okay with medium members? Are you nah?

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Speaker 2: I know, age Doppy?

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Speaker 4: Are you okay with media members calling your teammate out

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Speaker 4: her name?

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Speaker 2: Fool? So here I go.

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm gonna let y'all know something about black

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Speaker 4: people lingo. When people say something silly, funny things like that,

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Speaker 4: we tend to say you're a fool. I shortened it

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Speaker 4: and just said a fool. I was not talking about Meg.

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Speaker 4: I was talking about Chris. And then that's where everybody

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Speaker 4: was like, girl, we understood. If the folks didn't get it,

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Speaker 4: then they just didn't get it.

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Speaker 1: That's on them, because you ain't got to explain none

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Speaker 1: of that none. As matter of fact, I don't even

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Speaker 1: a fool, A fool, yeah, not a fool. You are

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Speaker 1: you are a fool, fool crazy, But that's social media

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Speaker 1: for you. It is it is. It is so for

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Speaker 1: you to make that the headline and call me Patty Boo.

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Speaker 1: You ain't do nothing.

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Speaker 4: At did none, but just so made me laugh at

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Speaker 4: But since since we're talking about the finals though, I mean,

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Speaker 4: congratulations to the Las Vegas Aces for the sweep.

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Speaker 2: You know what's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I saw you more in the last two weeks than

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Speaker 4: I have in the last three months, and I still

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Speaker 4: didn't really get the link up with you in Phoenix.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, phisis was a little different for me.

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Speaker 5: Sis.

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Speaker 3: I just I went to the game and I.

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Speaker 2: Saw you and then I did Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But you know, they kept talking about like all this

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Speaker 2: Oh it did rain.

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Speaker 1: I was like, let me go to my room and

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie to you. You know, be outside,

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Speaker 1: you don't. I was so excited that the game finished

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Speaker 1: early that.

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Speaker 3: I could go get in my Really, I was like, yeah, sleep, slap.

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Speaker 2: I did not go to sleep. Immediately.

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Speaker 4: I looked over to the sideline, I saw you, and

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Speaker 4: then I didn't, and I was like, damn sure, going already?

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Speaker 2: Cow.

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Speaker 3: That was crazy.

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Speaker 1: I stayed long enough to hear the booze and the things.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was petty too.

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Speaker 4: Let he go on new headline sure references the booze

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Speaker 4: of Kathy, of Kathy Engelbert. Oh what's crazy about that

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Speaker 4: is I was literally standing less than six feet away

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Speaker 4: from Kathy and couldn't hear a thing she said, Like

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Speaker 4: if I just didn't know the routine. I know, Holly Hair,

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Speaker 4: I know the mic is Finna. I know Kathy Finna,

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Speaker 4: get on the mic and give the trophy to the owner.

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Speaker 4: I know that's what's gonna happen. But I couldn't hear

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Speaker 4: a word. And that was only one video I posted

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Speaker 4: on Twitter. I ain't even post the other one. The

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Speaker 3: Quiz me my trophy and let me move, move, move.

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Speaker 2: Aside, and I'm outside and out.

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Speaker 4: But I am incredibly happy for the Las Vegas Aces.

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Speaker 3: One at home.

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Speaker 3: I did not. I didn't have a sweep on my

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Speaker 2: I really thought.

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Speaker 3: Oh this is about to be a series. Series.

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Speaker 4: But I know Phoenix, right, professional women, they are going

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Speaker 3: Does Phoenix still win?

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Speaker 1: You know this series when Satu went out with a concussion,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know what I do know,

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Speaker 4: That be period unstoppable, un stoppable You just not it

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Speaker 4: I just want to say that she should. She plays

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Speaker 2: She's a very good basketball. It's a very good.

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Speaker 3: But let me give just a few flowers to some

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Speaker 1: Sure, Melissa Smith has got to be one of the

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Speaker 4: From Indy to Dallas to the to the to the championship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh that was game one. Yeah, they they gave you

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Speaker 4: game one. Yeah, that was game one. Game two was

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Speaker 3: Your best basketball.

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Speaker 2: Really hard, really hard. I mean again, I'm gonna give

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Speaker 4: The Phoenix side, because they were a team who truly

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Speaker 4: Then you guys got dB mid season, as you know,

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Speaker 4: y'all did very very well.

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Speaker 4: Think that they definitely hit an achievement level that folks

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Speaker 4: Young remembers the beast that she is and starts dropping

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Speaker 4: twenty eight thirty on you. You like, literally, there's there's nothing

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Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, and that's you.

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Speaker 4: But that's just because I think of all people in

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Speaker 2: You can't. And that's just it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: And t to your point, you know, the beginning of

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I can see this team won

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Speaker 1: that can defend. Because Natasha Max, she gave you everything

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Speaker 3: From a physical standpoint, can she do it?

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Speaker 1: Yes, But that's also putting my opinion, that's putting Kilanie

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Speaker 4: Well, we will see what will happen for them next

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Speaker 2: People who ain't an unrestricted free agent.

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Speaker 1: So guarantee ah and fingers crossed, we have you know

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Speaker 2: Who knows what that's gonna look like.

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Speaker 4: But girl, the funny thing is is that while you

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Speaker 4: And Jamel is just such a doll like I love Jamel.

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Speaker 3: All of the things that come along with that.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, So let me tell you how.

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Speaker 4: Excited I am about today because this is the first

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Speaker 2: So in my mind, if we don't spend the.

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Speaker 2: So Jay was good.

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Speaker 4: What is going on? It's such a pleasure to be

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Speaker 2: Behind me, don't worry. Everything's all right.

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Speaker 4: I'm in my backyard and I'm just getting a little

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get off on the tangent. I

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Speaker 2: So please, do we are having a Christian Do they

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Speaker 2: That's kind of lit, though it is.

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Speaker 4: You know what's not lit is when you go to

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Speaker 4: Am, I am a black woman from Detroit, Michigan.

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Speaker 2: What do we know about calote piss? Nothing? Nothing whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: you see random men that are walking through my backyard.

449
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 4: But you know what, though, I understand one hundred percent

450
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: of what you're going through, just from a different perspective

451
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 4: because in Connecticut we have I don't know if it's

452
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 4: a groundhog. I don't know if it's I don't know

453
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 4: what this animal is, but it's brown and it lives

454
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 4: in a borough and it's in my backyard. And the

455
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: thing about it is, it's really gangster like. It does

456
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 4: not give a fuck at all that I live there,

457
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 4: because when I walk him up the backyard, you know,

458
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 4: most critters they run, or they going high, or they

459
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: want to get off the way.

460
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 2: No homie Jes stands there. He just stands there like

461
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: I pay, like I pay, like he got half on

462
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: the mortgage.

463
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 4: Because he, like you on my territory. I live here too.

464
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 4: Fix Hey, look at you like I wish you would.

465
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 4: I wish you would. Well, y'all know I'm in the country.

466
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 4: I was just about to say the person whose expertise

467
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 4: we really needed this conversation that you show because you

468
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 4: live in the country.

469
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: But I see all kinds of critters like I walk

470
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: around with a stick with a hole with something, a

471
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: mashetti or something because I don't pay, I don't play.

472
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: I know. It's like I'm in the country. So you

473
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: probably think that I'm like used to it. No, ma'am, No,

474
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 3: absolutely not.

475
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 4: This As you ladies know, this is everything that comes

476
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 4: along with being a homeowner is that you will eventually

477
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: it's some new problem that springs up that you're like, wow,

478
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: I've never had to deal with that before. I've never

479
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 4: had to purchase coyote piss as part of the regiotor

480
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 4: taking care of my home. But this is where we

481
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 4: are right now. So this is what happens when you solicit.

482
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 4: I solicten to some advice from the internet because I

483
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 4: felt like I wasn't the only one, and resoundingly the

484
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 4: number one suggestion was coyote piss. And I didn't know

485
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: that you could purchase animal urin online or in the store.

486
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 4: Had no idea I did either. I was gonna ask

487
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: that question. I was just going to say, kyote piss

488
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 4: does what? It keeps the critters away? Yeah, because the

489
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 4: one thing about animals, they don't like to smell other animals,

490
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: so it's like they feel like another animal has been there.

491
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 4: So now the next step in this process, as we

492
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 4: go deeper into this rabbit hole of me protected by

493
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 4: your heart, is I also purchased a fake owl and

494
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: it has like a rotating head, so that that also

495
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: supposedly keeps birds and critters away because they think it's

496
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: a real owl. So now we've gotten into the psychological

497
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: warfare portion.

498
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: Of me getting rid of these animals.

499
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: That's they would have got rid of to Rika too,

500
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 4: because I would have walked on that yard and seen

501
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: that owl. Would have been like, Oh, Jamel, I'm gonna

502
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 4: come to the back door.

503
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: Well yeah tee, because I was gonna say, Jamel, the

504
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: invite you sent us.

505
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: When all this ship is done.

506
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Basically we have as we are totally critter free.

507
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: This is like the third iteration of critters we have

508
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: dealt with because we have some squirrels.

509
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: That was like, I don't know who squirrels are.

510
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 4: Really, Squirrels are probably the most hood of the animals.

511
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 4: I think of the of the animals that you enco

512
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 4: like they are the Project eight of animals, like they

513
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 4: are are not the project but in the projects like

514
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: they are the section eight of like the projects like

515
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: it is them.

516
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: They run it thease, no disrespect to my.

517
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 4: Project section eight clost, no disrespect for that. They had

518
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: different kind of different kind of breath. The raccoons is

519
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: the muscle. The raccoon is the mussel. I agree with that.

520
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: I agree with that I think, y'all, y'all in California,

521
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I don't.

522
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna move on after this, but you brought up raccoons,

523
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: and it just made me think about back in Hartford

524
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: in my old apartment.

525
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: I ordered some door dash one time.

526
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 4: I ordered from this Thai restaurant and I had like

527
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 4: this little shwarma that I ordered, and I picked up

528
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: my dad going bag and I've seen something run off

529
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 4: the porch, but I wasn't exactually sure, but it was.

530
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: I picked up the bag, opened the box.

531
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 4: This make this damn raccoon literally took the shwarma out

532
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: the box. He left the frays, but took the swarm

533
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: out the box like I ain't never seen an animal actually.

534
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: The deep.

535
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 4: Like you could have just took you could have creeped

536
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 4: your way through the whole box or anything. He just

537
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 4: took the sharma and bounced like I don't want the

538
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 4: Wow you got that?

539
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that is audacity.

540
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 4: That is very He was saying, like your schwarma is

541
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: not good Srvard does. It's like your swarma is good enough,

542
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 4: but the prize next time get me a different side.

543
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: That's what he was really telling you.

544
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 4: He really wanted some rummus or something that that was

545
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 4: not it exactly. It was like, now you know, I

546
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 4: want a rice is what he was telling. Raccoons are

547
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: different break all right, y'all. Clearly the direction of the

548
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: show is there is no direction of the show. But

549
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 4: you know, it's awesome that we literally were just all

550
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 4: in the same place at the same time moments ago,

551
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: because we were all in Las Vegas for the w

552
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: NBA Finals. And people may not remember this about Jamille,

553
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: but before she was in these streets on other sports

554
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: since was definitely holding it down for the w NBA,

555
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 4: one of the few people that were covering the w

556
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: NBA from a journalist perspective, and I believe she might

557
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 4: have been covering the league at the same time that

558
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: you were playing, Cheryl, And to believe it is an

559
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: interesting dynamic is correct, and that's it.

560
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: It's a very interesting.

561
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: Dynamic because we talk about all the time about how

562
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: little coverage there was at that time from a broad angle,

563
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 4: but how often do we have an opportunity to actually

564
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 4: chat with someone who was actually covering the leak at

565
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: the same time that one of our legends were playing it.

566
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 4: So I just knew this was a chance for me

567
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: to just kind of ask you because I asked Ryl

568
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: last week, I'm gonna ask you. Can you imagine Chryl

569
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: or Lisa or any of them straight up coming out

570
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 4: the Woolworth the way feeded when you were and havingson

571
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 4: just be like damn. Then, you know, here's the funny

572
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: part is that if you get to know them and

573
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: knowing sure, like is that something that Serle probably would

574
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: have thought and said, I mean, yeah, like now that

575
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: I know them now, it's just when the league, where

576
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: the league was was so different, Like sure absolutely I

577
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: could see her reading somebody from Genesis to Revelations, like

578
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: the way that Kathy Engelberg got read. But the thing

579
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: is they were the league was in a different place

580
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 4: because it was just starting out. I think it was

581
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: a lot more pressure on you all, even though you

582
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 4: probably I know you did. You saw the indignities then,

583
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: but you couldn't really speak to them in the same

584
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 4: way because of this is a startup league at that point,

585
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 4: trying to get people attracted to the sport, trying to

586
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 4: make sure the fan support is there, trying to get

587
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: it off to a good foot so that the generations

588
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: after you didn't have to deal with the things that

589
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: you all dealt with.

590
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: What I loved about the fact that I covered the WNBA.

591
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: This would have been.

592
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 4: Ninety seven and ninety eight, like that first season was

593
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 4: when I covered them. I covered to Charlotte Stain and

594
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: so they had Ronda map and Andrea Stenson and Dawn

595
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: played for that team. Yeah, what I loved about it

596
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 4: is a tracy.

597
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: The home right.

598
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: So to me, those were the ogs right, It's like

599
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: and I credit them so often, And Turll's a part

600
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: of this as as teaching me the game. It's one

601
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: thing to watch, it's another thing to be able to

602
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: sit in the company of the people who have done

603
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 4: it and hear their stories, hear their perspective, hear how

604
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: they see things, and that's how you wind up learning

605
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 4: as a reporter.

606
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: And they took.

607
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: Me under their wing and taught me to lead and

608
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: taught me about women's basketball. I mean, I've been watching

609
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: as a fan and covering it on and off as

610
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: a reporter, but that's when I really learned about what

611
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 4: the game and what the institution of women's basketball really

612
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: stood for. And so at the time, don't get it twisted.

613
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: The personalities in the w NBA were as fiery, if

614
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: not more fiery, than feed Twisted at all. It's just

615
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: that the mission was so different because of where the

616
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 4: league was at the time.

617
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: You know, when when I I think about where the

618
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: league is today and where we were right, things are

619
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: very different because did we have, as Jay said, those

620
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: personalities and those attitudes of a listen, what we're not

621
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: going to do is yes, But it was very different

622
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: because back then for us, it was we were trying

623
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: to build something that would hopefully be around for a

624
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: long time to come and here we are. But at

625
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: the same time, and I think this is why of

626
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: all the comments that that Fee said, you know, Kathy

627
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: made in their conversation, the one that really pissed me

628
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: off was when Kathy said the players should be on

629
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: their knees thanking her right. That one really pissed me

630
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: off because it took me back to when the league

631
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: first started, because then I think a lot of what

632
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: we thought back then was even no.

633
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: You know, there were a lot of things and a

634
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: lot of shit that we were fighting for, but we

635
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: did kind of feel like, we can't really say a

636
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: whole lot because we didn't really have a lot of

637
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: other options.

638
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: Right, it was we're playing in the w we're making

639
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: our money here, or we're going overseas. There were a

640
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: handful of us that had endorsements, but not like it

641
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: is today. So yeah, it was very different back then

642
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: than it is today. But today's wood. Don't get it twisted,

643
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: because if and when we needed to say something, it.

644
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: Was going to be said.

645
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 4: And then also too, I think the other thing that

646
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: like you all, you know, kind of had to deal

647
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: with is that it's a mentality.

648
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you.

649
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 4: Brought up what she said about that part because see,

650
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: the part that people missed about fiends read is that

651
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: or I would say Kathy's response is that Kathy said,

652
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: the only thing she said was I didn't say that

653
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: about Kitlyn Clark.

654
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: She didn't say that. She didn't say the rest of that.

655
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: She didn't say that, right, She never said that like oh,

656
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 4: but by the way, the thing about them being grateful

657
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: and they should be on their knees. See, she never

658
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 4: she never denied that she said that, even though I

659
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: don't believe her about Kitlin Clark. I think the only

660
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: reason she addressed that is because that was the biggest

661
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: name that was brought up, and she knew that to

662
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: get people off of ass that she had to probably

663
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: say something like that. But that mentality is something that

664
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: is not exclusive to the w NBA. It's a mentality

665
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 4: that is pervasive in women's sports. And what I hope

666
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: people understand is that the reason and women's sports we

667
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 4: see is grown. It's getting bigger, It'll be even more

668
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: bigger because of the access entry points. I hope people

669
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 4: understand that the reason, a big reason why women's sports

670
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: isn't closer or at least at the level of men's sports.

671
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 4: It's not because the product wasn't good. It's not because

672
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: the athletes weren't great. It is because of that mentality,

673
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: the mentality that you need to just be grateful to

674
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: be here. And frankly, as black people, we understand that

675
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 4: mentality better than anybody else because the one thing America

676
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 4: hates is a quote unquote ungrateful Negro hate it and

677
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: the reality is that when they think, you know that

678
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: they are quote unquote giving us an opportunity, it feel

679
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 4: like they feel as if that gives them license to

680
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 4: disrespect us. And so we're talking about a level of

681
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: disrespect here that exists between the lead and the commissioner.

682
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 4: That is beyond just the normal disagreements that you would

683
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: have with somebody in that position. That's to be expected.

684
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 4: The commissioner is not there to be the player's friends.

685
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: And I think the players are realistic enough to understand that.

686
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: But the commissioner can't disrespect them. That's what can't happen.

687
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 4: It's like that means that you think my entire Yeah,

688
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 4: you mean that means you think that my entire work

689
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 4: and existence is beneath you. And yes, we're gonna have

690
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 4: a problem. We're never gonna be on the same page

691
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 4: if that's the case.

692
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: As a commissioner, like I don't I don't want to

693
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: be your friend, you know. I don't think any of

694
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: the players want to be friends with the commissioner. But

695
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: what I do want and expect is for you to

696
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: respect me.

697
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I would even go so

698
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 4: far as to say that I don't even think that

699
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: because I was having this conversation with a friend of mine,

700
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: and I don't even think that. The commissioner didn't say

701
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 4: that about Caitlyn Clark, because if you listen to how

702
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 4: she responded, she said I did not make those comments semantically,

703
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 4: so I think she means those words were not the

704
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: words that came out of my mouth. So no I

705
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 4: comments not I didn't have any comments at all about

706
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 4: Kitlin Clark, or I didn't say any of those things

707
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 4: about Caitlyn Clark. So in my mind, she ain't denied

708
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: none of you said all that shit. But what I

709
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: do find interesting is that what she What I do

710
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: find to be interesting is that when you're looking holistically

711
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 4: at a situation, right number one, I think the players

712
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 4: are not getting all the credit that they deserve when

713
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 4: it comes to whether or not they are calling for

714
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 4: her job because they don't understand, or they're calling for

715
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: her job because they simply don't care they want to

716
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: go on.

717
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: The Other part that.

718
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: I think is interesting too, is that, as you alluded to,

719
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 4: even though she is not the friends or should not

720
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: be the friends of the players, she absolutely is in

721
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: bed with some of the owners and those who sit

722
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: on the board of governors, and as long as she

723
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: continues to execute what they want her to do, they

724
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: don't care if she's not calling players to ask.

725
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: How you feel.

726
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: They don't care if she's not being the first to

727
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: figure out if my star player is happy and whatever

728
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: she's doing. As long as she is executing all the

729
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 4: business that the board of governors and the owners want

730
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: her to execute on, that woman is not losing her

731
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: job until she is ready to step down. So that

732
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: is genuinely how I feel about it. But what I

733
00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: mean by that and that the players don't care that.

734
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 4: Part of this conversation also had to do with the

735
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: owners getting a percentage of whatever that money is that

736
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: they want back. They want their money up front too,

737
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 4: and I think that some people think the players don't

738
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: understand that, and I think the players understand full well

739
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 4: that the ownership won't say money upfront. I think they

740
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 4: don't care because at the end of the day, in

741
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 4: order for you to continue to generate money off this product,

742
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 4: the product needs to be taken care of, the product

743
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: needs to be paid, the product needs to have great facilities,

744
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: the product needs to be put out in forefront, like

745
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: that's what investing actually means. And so to me, that's

746
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: where I think there is a difference in thought. It's

747
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 4: not that the players don't get it, it's that they're like,

748
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 4: that's cool, but I still won't my month and I

749
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 4: am not mad at them.

750
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: I said what I said, but I said what I said,

751
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: like for real. But you know what, here's the other thing.

752
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: I would say that this is where I might slightly

753
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: disagree with you about whether or not Kathy will step down.

754
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that it's something that I see before

755
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 4: these negotiations are done. I think Fie and the players

756
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 4: are smart enough to use the leverage of the moment

757
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 4: against her. And right now, when they have the owners

758
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: see the light at the end of the tunnel, they

759
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: see an opportunity for them to get that money up front.

760
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to really take kindly to

761
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: somebody ruining that opportunity for them to do that. And

762
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: if the commissioner is the one standing in the way

763
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 4: to do that, then I think collectively they might say

764
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 4: this might not be in the best interests of her

765
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: to have her as a running point for these negotiations.

766
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 4: And listen, as much as Kathy has fumbled a lot

767
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: of moments since she's been commissioner, we a lot. I

768
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 4: do think that a lot, because this is this isn't

769
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 4: this is a culmination, Like people have to understand, this

770
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 4: is not just about a private conversation she had with

771
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: seeing this is about the comments that she made when

772
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 4: she was asked on CNBC about the area rees Kaitlinkark

773
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: rivalry and the racism, and she basically was like, well,

774
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: they just gonna have to take this racism so we

775
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 4: could sell this tickets.

776
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: And it's like what that was? Essentially, let's she said.

777
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 4: And so she's had other mistakes that she has made,

778
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 4: and what I do I do ultimately think all of

779
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 4: these wind up to her showing very loudly that she's

780
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: just not the commissioner that is built for this moment

781
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: and where this league is going.

782
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 2: The owners want their money.

783
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 4: And I do think though, in all of this that

784
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: has happened, the person who probably has escaped criticism and shitn'

785
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 4: is Adam Silver because Adam Silver put her there, say,

786
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: and Adam Silver has overseen you know, a large he's

787
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 4: over I mean he the NBA is the one that's

788
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: overseeing the WNBA, and people need to understand how unusual

789
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 4: that relationship is in professional sports. The fact that it's

790
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: the NBA picking the commissioner, it's not the players picking

791
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: the commissioners, is not even the owners really picking the

792
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 4: commission is like Adam Silver is the one who picked

793
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: the commissioner, and so as much as people want to

794
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 4: have smoke for Kathy Engelbert, and she deserves it, they're

795
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: smoked to be half.

796
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: For Adam Silver as well. One hundred percent miss misdirected anger.

797
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: I've said that a million times, that there's puppeteering happening,

798
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 4: and we are often giving so much smoke to Kathy

799
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: and the people who are front facing that we're forgetting

800
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: that there is someone behind the scenes that is literally

801
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 4: navigating how these things work. And I and I was shocked,

802
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: but not really with the comments that he made, because

803
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: comments that he made pretty much affirm that, like we

804
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 4: at this point don't have no interest in doing anything.

805
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 4: They'll work it out, their relationship will work it out,

806
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 4: but we'll get.

807
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: A CBA done.

808
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: That is exactly what is it?

809
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they'll figure it, they'll figure it out.

810
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't It doesn't even seem like there's a

811
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: true interest from him, which is more furthering the notion

812
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: that he needs to catch this fade because he acting

813
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 4: like he don't even care.

814
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: But Charlot, I do have a question for you though,

815
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: as I are a rumor.

816
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 4: And when I are your rumors, I don't like to

817
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: just be like really, I said, you know, I'm gonna

818
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 4: go to the horse his mouth, because that's what we.

819
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: Do on the He said, we'd be like we pull up.

820
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 4: So I heard a rumor that back in the day,

821
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 4: that back in the day, when there was a contract

822
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: negotiation or a CBA that needed to be put together,

823
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 4: that you guys basically gave your negotiations to the to

824
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 4: the then president and said, listen here, either you accept

825
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: this or we ain't playing. And at the time, the

826
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: league could not be like, we can afford for y'all

827
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: to not play.

828
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: There's a lad thing that you did. We ain't playing.

829
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: So I want to know if there truth, is there

830
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: any truth behind? And I mean, you know, it's been

831
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 4: fifteen years now at this point you might know it's

832
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 4: been a while.

833
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: It's been a while.

834
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: What see, hero, what what like did y'all pull up?

835
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: I will say this, So Coquies Washington was like our president.

836
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: So was Sonya Henning. But Coquees was like our voice.

837
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: She was kind of like the neck up right. And

838
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: here's what's so interesting about back then when we were

839
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: kind of doing our little CBA negotiations. We had some players, right,

840
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: I ain't calling no names, ain't doing anything. We had

841
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: some players who were like big name players honestly, who

842
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: was like, listen, I'm getting paid, so I don't really

843
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: care about all these other ones down here who aren't

844
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: getting paid, So I don't want to be a part

845
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: of that.

846
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 5: Right.

847
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: There were some others of us who was like listen, no,

848
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: like right is right and wrong is wrong.

849
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 3: Yes, we're getting paid, but what about everybody else? So

850
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: there absolutely was a moment where we got together and said, listen,

851
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: here's what we want, and take this too. Because it

852
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: was president. It wasn't even commission or back then.

853
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: We called out the president and said here's what we want,

854
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: and either they're gonna agree to this or they're not.

855
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: Now mind you, now, mind you.

856
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: What we were asking for was bare minimum compared to

857
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: the things they're asking for now. Right, So it wasn't like,

858
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't even think we put charter flights in there,

859
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: because we knew, like back then, charter flights was not

860
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: gonna happen.

861
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 2: We weren't even asking for Yeah.

862
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: We wanted our own rooms, but we were like, okay,

863
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. So my point is the things

864
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: that we were fighting for and asked for in that,

865
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: like the CBA that I can remember, girl, it was

866
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: like a piece of cake. It was like real easy.

867
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: So like it wasn't like they were gonna be like, nah,

868
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: we ain't doing that. But also to your point, he

869
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: we were. We were trying to build something. So for

870
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: them to come back and say, well, now we're gonna

871
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: do that, we just won't play like that just wasn't

872
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: very smart. Like the timing of them to be like well, basically,

873
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: fuck y'all if you don't play and then you just

874
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: don't play right Like, that wasn't gonna happen. That just

875
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen. So what I love about where we

876
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 1: are right now and players speaking out, there's a part

877
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: of me that's like, because of the momentum and all

878
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: the things that's going on with the W right now,

879
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: for them to sit out and not play, I'm like, uh,

880
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: how does that really hurt the league? But there's another

881
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: part of me that's like, oh, hell no, y'all need

882
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: to continue to fight from what you deserve and if

883
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: they don't give it to you, then you don't play,

884
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

885
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, honestly, I'm torn. I'm really torn.

886
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: You know, Charlotte was really important you told that story,

887
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 4: you know why, because shows you that even when you

888
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: ask for the minimum, they're still not willing to give

889
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 4: you that right.

890
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: And to me, that's worse.

891
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 4: That's to me, that's worse because it wasn't like what

892
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: they're asking for now. Yes, it is more advanced if

893
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 4: you will, because there's more money at stake and they

894
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: see the future of the money that's coming. But it

895
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: also lets you know that it doesn't matter if you

896
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 4: ask quietly, if it don't matter if you ask for

897
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 4: a little.

898
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: The people that want to.

899
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 4: Sort of stay in opposition to the progress are always

900
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 4: going to stand there whether you ask it for a

901
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 4: lot or a little. See, the thing is, y'all have

902
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: already the story of the WNBA is like you guys

903
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 4: have already done that. You've already put the sacrifices in.

904
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 4: You had to share hotel rooms already, you didn't have

905
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 4: charter flights like, you had to go through all of

906
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 4: that for them to get to this moment. And so

907
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: for the next moment to come, what's gonna have to

908
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 4: be on the table is yeah, we're willing to blow

909
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: all this shit up unless you give us what we want.

910
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 4: Because if you think about the history of progress in

911
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: this country, it is never done because somebody thought it

912
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: was the right thing to do.

913
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: It's always done by forcing shame, always.

914
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 4: Force and shame, and it's it's the only way things

915
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 4: get accomplished. And so that's why I said, the leverage

916
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 4: of the moment, to me, is the best leverage that

917
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: the players have because the owners, now that they see

918
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 4: the money that's possible, and there's even more money as possible,

919
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 4: they don't want to miss out on this moment either.

920
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: They want those valuations to continue to soar.

921
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 4: They want to they don't want you know, I love

922
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 4: to see I love seeing the news the other day

923
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: about how that I think that game we went to

924
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 4: Sunday was the most watched WNBA Finals ever. This is

925
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 4: in the middle of football season. That you know what

926
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying, it's NFL going on, it's college football. You know,

927
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: as much as people are saying, well the players, you know,

928
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: you guys don't want to lose this momentum, No, the

929
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 4: owners don't either.

930
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: They got some nervous too. They lose this either. It's

931
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: really and that is where I think it is.

932
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: It's helpful that you now I think it's not what

933
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 4: more private owners in it than it is those associated

934
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: with the NBA NBA, and I think that's actually helpful

935
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 4: because it will progress and advance things. But now that

936
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 4: FeAs aired it out and we know what the grievouses are,

937
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 4: I think that's also helpful because now the blame she

938
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: has firmly shifted all the pressure back on the league.

939
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 4: If y'all don't get this deal done, that's on y'all.

940
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: We told y'all what was up. Now it's on you.

941
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 4: And that, to me is the most difficult thing because

942
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 4: I don't exactly see how the w NBA as a

943
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 4: leade can say face in this situation other than by

944
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 4: adapting to what it is that the players are asking

945
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: for and finding a way to make it happen. And

946
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 4: they've got to figure out a way to do that

947
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: with Kathy, at least for now.

948
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: Now.

949
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 4: I don't believe that she's not going to resign after

950
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: this negotiation is over. I think that she is personally,

951
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, the best thing for your image to do

952
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 4: is to write now say I'm not a quitter.

953
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm not leaving.

954
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: That's great for the image, but I think that when

955
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 4: this is over, you are absolutely stepping down and somebody

956
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 4: else was going.

957
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: To step in.

958
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 4: But before I know, you only got a couple minutes

959
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 4: before you got to get out of here. And your estimation,

960
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 4: where do you see this ending in terms of I

961
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 4: know that they're not going to have a negotiation done

962
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: by October thirty first. Is it possible that they could

963
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: extend the CBA? Absolutely, But like I've personally said, I

964
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 4: think that this will probably play out until February when

965
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 4: free agency comes. I think that is when we will

966
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: probably see us really get closer to a solution to this.

967
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 2: But what do you see like this.

968
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: Actually may be coming to a conclusion, So we are

969
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 4: thinking along the same lines. I've always believed that there

970
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 4: would be a lockout, just because that's just how these

971
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: things go. And a lockout, to me, is not scary territory.

972
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 4: It's just kind of what happens whenever there's labor unrest

973
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 4: between players and owners.

974
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: We've seen it in every sport.

975
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: So this is what I think ultimately, and I'm with you,

976
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 4: I don't think that they're going to miss any games

977
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 4: next season. I fully believe that the season will start

978
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: on time. Things may be a little rushed, but I

979
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 4: think things are still going to start on time. I

980
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 4: will say this, I don't know that the players are

981
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 4: going to get a fifty to fifty share, but I

982
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: think they're going to get something close and because listen,

983
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 4: I've been in enough negotiation, not like between players and owners,

984
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 4: but like just even in my own personal negotiations. I've

985
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 4: been in enough of them to know is that all

986
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: you got to do is give a little bit of

987
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 4: what each side wants. We know that the owners really

988
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 4: want the players to stop playing overseas. We know that's

989
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 4: a big thing for them. It's like they want to

990
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 4: protect the product. They don't want the product exposed. They

991
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: want them to stop. Okay, the price of doing business

992
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 4: is you got to give more money. More money I

993
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 4: always thought the players would get. But it's just a

994
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 4: difference between are we talking to twenty percent rap share?

995
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: Are we talking to thirty? Are we talking to forty?

996
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 4: I think they're going to try to get it as

997
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 4: close to fifty percent as possible.

998
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it'll quite make it there.

999
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 4: Because I'm not sure yet if the money is all

1000
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 4: the way there to do that. But I think they'll

1001
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 4: get more and I think they'll get merch sales, and

1002
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 4: the big thing to me, I think they will get

1003
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 4: a pension. And I think if you can get like,

1004
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 4: let's say you can get between I'm gonna say thirty five.

1005
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 4: If you can get between thirty five or forty percent

1006
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 4: of the red shale merchant the rep share, merch sales,

1007
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 4: and a pension, I think that's a major win, major win.

1008
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: What about you, Cheryl?

1009
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: The pension is huge for a lot, a lot, a

1010
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. I am on the same page with

1011
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 1: both of you on that. I have a question for

1012
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: Jay before she goes. I know both of both of

1013
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: you tend to think that Cassie will step down after negotiations.

1014
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: My question is, why does it have to be after negotiations?

1015
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 4: See cheryld You know what, That's a great question, And

1016
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 4: to be honest, I go back and forth about that

1017
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,959
Speaker 4: because I don't personally, I don't think there's any problem

1018
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 4: with her stepping down tomorrow, Like there's nothing to stop that,

1019
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: and I don't think it and honestly, I think it

1020
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 4: would actually advance negotiations further if she did. And that's

1021
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 4: the part I need Adam Silver to take a look

1022
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: at and say, is this person going to help us

1023
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 4: get closer to the goal or are they going to

1024
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 4: help us move further away? And it feels like she's

1025
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: moving y'all further away. So what's her what's the point

1026
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: of her being there? She's not getting you closer and

1027
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: the players have lost respect for her and they don't

1028
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 4: want to talk to her. What is the point of

1029
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: her being there? She's not serving a function? And I

1030
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: think the owners if you are thinking about this too.

1031
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 4: You brought up Adam Silver's phone like, hey, man, I

1032
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: know you got this whole Kawhi Leonard situation to deal with,

1033
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna need you to put you on it.

1034
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: Right, Okay. I need you to do that because it's true.

1035
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: It's like yo, it's like I think that's.

1036
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: My thing is when you get to a point to

1037
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: where you like again, I'm not I don't care for friends,

1038
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: but when you get to a point to where there's

1039
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: no respect, they're one.

1040
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: I don't trust you as a commissioner.

1041
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: I don't trust you, I don't respect you, and you

1042
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: clearly don't respect me as a player. I just feel

1043
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: like that makes the negotiations harder.

1044
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, because then they're going to be

1045
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 4: more unwilling to compromise with her. And so just because

1046
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 4: they don't trust her, like you said, and they lost

1047
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 4: the respect, So it's just kind of hard to even

1048
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 4: get that going.

1049
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, like, I don't think it's.

1050
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: A big I don't think it all sets negotiation back

1051
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 4: if she if she leaves beforehand, because I think that's

1052
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 4: been sort of the perception that like, oh, well, they've

1053
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 4: started the talks and she's got to be involved. Why

1054
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: didn't have to be to pick up that ball? She

1055
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 4: definitely could, Like I think she's going to wait until after.

1056
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: But but honestly, my rationale for after is because Pridie,

1057
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 4: like you you said it, You said it right to Pridie,

1058
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: like she just strikes me as the individ that wants

1059
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 4: to prove something that she doesn't necessarily but I did,

1060
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 4: and she wants She already feels that she has done

1061
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 4: so much for the league that y'all should be on

1062
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: your knees excited and begging and thanking her for the

1063
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 4: media deals. So if she already feels that way that

1064
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 4: you guys should be thanking her. In my mind, priorate

1065
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 4: ego will not allow her to step down and say, Okay, obviously,

1066
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 4: my presence isn't what's benefiting these women or this league

1067
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: that I care to care for that I say I

1068
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 4: care for. So I think that is what is going

1069
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 4: to force her to continue to remain here, and all

1070
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 4: the more reason why to your point, J, these negotiations

1071
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 4: that probably could happen a little bit faster if she

1072
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 4: moved out the way, will probably end up being done

1073
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: in like end of January.

1074
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: Early February. Oh you know.

1075
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 4: The other part of it too, is like it's not

1076
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 4: just her needing to save a little face. I think

1077
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 4: it's the NBA as well, and there's a certain way

1078
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 4: they like to do things, and for them, it's a

1079
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 4: much clearer exit if it happens after negotiations, they can

1080
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 4: have a new commissioner and they can kind of do

1081
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 4: things in a orderly fashion.

1082
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,479
Speaker 2: So I think that's the other factor as.

1083
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: Well, is like how Adam Sandler or have center Adam

1084
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 4: Silver wants to do this. Definitely know, definitely, definitely matters absolutely,

1085
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 4: which as always we always love having you on the show.

1086
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: And you know what, honestly, if Adam f was this

1087
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: ship my look alone, right, it.

1088
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 4: Would be a happy Gilmore three, that's for sure. A players, yes,

1089
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 4: A players, but yes, you know, I always like kicking

1090
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 4: it with y'all, and I thank you for making me

1091
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 4: your first sort of recurring guest.

1092
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 2: But y'all know, y'all welcome to ring me anytime.

1093
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 4: I'm always available, and more importantly, when either of both

1094
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 4: of y'all come to l A, you know you're welcome

1095
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 4: to come here and kick it in the backyard.

1096
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 2: I am for sure, just.

1097
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Speaker 1: Don't make me in the direction that I'm going to others.

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Speaker 4: And ship taken care of the first, Yeah, definitely, I will.

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Speaker 5: All right, thank you Jane.

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Speaker 4: When I tell you that if it wasn't for the

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Speaker 4: fact that we had shit to do, we probably would.

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Speaker 2: Still be talking to you right now. Fact, because that's

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Speaker 2: just that's just the homie, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And she not wrong when she talked about you know

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Speaker 4: how the w NBA needs to figure out how to

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Speaker 4: handle moving forward what that might look like, including maybe

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Speaker 4: parting ways with Kathy Kelbart sooner than before these negotiations

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Speaker 4: are over. So I think you guys are spot on

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Speaker 4: when you talk about how that could benefit the league.

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Speaker 4: So at any rate, you know, every day there's a

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00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 4: new headline about what's gonna happen next, Who's doing what,

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Speaker 4: who said what. Now you're finding out that the owners

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Speaker 4: aren't necessarily happy with the communication style of the current commissioner.

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Speaker 2: There's just a lot to unpack.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like I feel like we're gonna be

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Speaker 4: talking about this for for at least another three moments.

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Speaker 1: Without question, and let's just hope we're talking about some

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Speaker 1: good things coming out of the CBA. But you know,

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Speaker 1: to your point, we could sit here and talk to

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Speaker 1: Jamail all day. Here's what I need. I appreciate the invite,

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Speaker 1: but since I ain't coming over to you, get them

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Speaker 1: damn rodents and ship whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: You guys can get that fixed.

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Speaker 2: She killed me with that owl, turned around in the

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Speaker 2: middle of it. Let me walk past.

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Speaker 1: I'll start, ma'am and yeah, no, no, no, we good.

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Speaker 1: She don't love you, Jay, I love.

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Speaker 2: You, but j No, I'm from We shoot first.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to meet at a at a mutual,

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Speaker 1: mutually agreed upon location.

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Speaker 3: I shoot first, Jay, y'all, I'm gonna get fucked up

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Speaker 3: with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm so thorgh.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, Oh my gosh, what a great conversation.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, such a great conversation. Well anyway, let's

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Speaker 4: just go ahead, and I know you got some good

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Speaker 4: for us today, Cheryl, So let's go ahead and level

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Speaker 4: this thing on out.

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Speaker 3: I do, I think I do.

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Speaker 1: Listen, let's just get right to it, because it hit

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Speaker 1: me today and I loved it. It says, be her,

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Speaker 1: the woman who knows the grass is greener wherever she stands,

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00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: because she brings value to every space she is in.

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Speaker 1: That is a message for every woman in the WNBA,

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Speaker 1: every one of them, and that I think that's probably

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Speaker 1: why it hit me and I love just the first

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Speaker 1: two words, be her.

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Speaker 2: Be her, that's it, that's it. Be her. Period.

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Speaker 4: Well, guys, that will do it for this week's episode

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Speaker 4: of Levels to this. We just continue to appreciate the

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Speaker 4: way that you guys continue to support us when we're

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Speaker 4: much they love the show, how much they appreciate the

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Speaker 4: conversations that we're having what we're doing. So continue to

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Speaker 4: follow us and listen to us. But remember this is

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Speaker 4: Podcasts because I'll be reading the comments. I'll be reading

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Speaker 4: every last one of them comments. I need to do better,

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Speaker 4: but I'll be reading the comments. But we want to

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Speaker 4: hear what you want to hear, what you want to

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Speaker 4: talk about. Share that with us. But until next time, friends,

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Speaker 4: keep your mentors ground level and we'll be back next week.

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