1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm Jim Hayes. We have the full panel with us today. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: We have Matt Holliday, Kyle Gibson, and Lancelin. Gentlemen, how 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: are we doing today? 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: Really good? 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Kyle the only one didn't give the thumbs up. Can 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: we get the thumbs up please so we know we 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: can move forward. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: I just texted you guys about this. He's already telling 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: me what to. 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 3: Do with. 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Look it. I'm a little bossy. Uh so, uh, the 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: off season is upon us already, a couple of moves 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: that have been made, but the uh uh, the big 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: whirlwind that's coming with trades free agent signings hasn't begun yet. 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: All you guys have been in this position, either a 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: guy who's mentioned in trade rumors or a free agent 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: looking for a landing spot. So I'm gonna are with you, 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: Matt Holiday. What is that like for players who are 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: waiting for that market to get set, with the first 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: shoe to drop, whatever it is. What's that like for 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: players sending at home waiting for an update from their agent? 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 4: I suppose, yeah, I mean I think it's tricky. 24 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: I mean I think the holidays play a big part 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: in night major league free agency. I think the the 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: you have the you have the GM meetings, and then 27 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: they they all seem to like take a break between 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: now and then like runs into Thanksgiving and then they 29 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: they take a couple take a week off for that, 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: and then there's a little I think they. 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: Have the Winter meetings and then they have. 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: The Christmas break, and so free agency is is is 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: different for everybody. I think most players would say they 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: wished it moved a little faster, like basketball and football, 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: but we have a free market, so sometimes it takes 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: a longer long time to the up what your market is. 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: In basketball and football, you kind of you know they 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: you know under the salary structure based on how many years, and. 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 4: It kind of is what it is. 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: So like basketball free agency, it pretty much everybody signs 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 3: the day it opens up to where in baseball it 42 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: could take a while. And I think that that sometimes 43 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: I always, you know, my one big free agent deal 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: I wanted to know by Christmas, and it didn't didn't work, 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: it didn't happen. But most guys I think would say 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: that they would love to know where their next landing 47 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: spot is by Christmas, and sometimes it happens. Sometimes a 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: lot of things happened at the winter meetings. Some years 49 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: it seems to go fast. Some years it seems to 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 3: go really slow. Like last year, a lot of it 51 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: was hung up on Juan Soto and then what the 52 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 3: fallout would be from that. So it I think, I 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: feel like every year it changes and how fast it 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: goes depending on when the big free agents sign, uh, 55 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 3: then the kind of trickle down effect. 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 5: Uh. 57 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 4: But it's I think these guys would agree. 58 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 3: I mean, as a player, you wanted to move and 59 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: you want to know where you're going, but. 60 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: Sometimes it takes a while. 61 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 5: What about you ka, what was it like. 62 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: The first couple of times, we're pretty much kind of 63 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: how Matt mentioned it, kind of it was a good 64 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: thing that, you know, I was never really a player that, 65 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: you know, was either setting a market or waiting on 66 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: a market to develop. You know, I was a you know, 67 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: an average starting pitcher that eight innings and you know, 68 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: for the most part, had some some early calls, and 69 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: unfortunately it seemed like it always happened about two or 70 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: three days before Thanksgiving and then we were scrambling around 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: trying to get a physical before I went to family's 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: house for Thanksgiving, but you know, it always ended up 73 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: kind of getting done around that time, and and then 74 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: last year it was just weird, just you know, with 75 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: with not getting any offers until really really late. 76 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean. 77 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: I agree with that every player would like for it 78 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: to kind of move move fast and figure out where 79 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: you're going, and you know, getting late to spring training 80 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: and doing all that, as Lance knows as well as 81 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: not anymore. 82 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 6: Lance, Yeah, I had a little bit of everything. I've 83 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 6: been traded this time. One off season, I signed to 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 6: free agent deals around this time, and then I had 85 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 6: two free agents that went into spring training and then 86 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 6: went into retirement. So uh, you uh, it's kind of 87 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 6: a crazy world. 88 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 5: You don't know what's going to happen. You just kind 89 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 5: of go with the flow. 90 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 6: But you know, I think in my opinion, every team, 91 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 6: every player, you want your roster kind of in a 92 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 6: good spot ready to go at the first of the year. 93 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 6: So I think in general everybody would like it to 94 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 6: speed up a little bit. This time of year is 95 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 6: all here say and this and that. You have a 96 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 6: few signings here and there. But I think as a 97 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 6: whole in the industry, and stuff like that. They could 98 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 6: do a little better job at figuring out a window 99 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 6: where guys can. 100 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 5: Kind of do this. 101 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 6: And I think the trade deadline or they need to 102 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 6: do a trade deadline in the winter. 103 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 5: I think that will really speed up. 104 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 6: I think last year the trade deadline of they were 105 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 6: talking about ceasing a couple other guys holding up markets 106 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 6: because they didn't know who was gonna get traded, and 107 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 6: then markets don't move. So I think to speed up 108 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 6: maybe a free agent situation, put a trade deadline in 109 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 6: the wintertime, because once you're on a team and all that, 110 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 6: you know, it's hey. After let's say after January fifteenth, 111 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 6: you're with that team until you know April, was it 112 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 6: April they can't trade you until April thirtieth or something 113 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 6: like that or April I don't remember. Once she's but 114 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 6: maybe put a little window there that might might help 115 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 6: some things out. 116 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 5: But all in all, you want to be ready to 117 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 5: go wherever you go by the first of the year 118 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 5: so you can get things set up. 119 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: So Kyla, you're sitting there looking at your phone trying 120 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: to get any any feel as to where you might 121 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: end up. Where you just sitting there waiting for your 122 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: agent to tell you. 123 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 2: I mean, I think in today's age of MLB trade 124 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: rumors and social media and people texting you, your phone's 125 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: always kind of getting some messages and blowing up, and. 126 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 4: Especially when rumors start flying. 127 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: You know, I was joking with a couple of people 128 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: just a couple of weeks ago about I was like, 129 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: I feel like there were times when my agent probably 130 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: wasn't very happy with me because I wasn't ready to 131 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: pick up his phone call. I wasn't ready to make 132 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: a decision, and I knew that as soon as I 133 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: picked that phone call up, it's like, all right, he's 134 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: gonna want to know what I want to do. But yeah, 135 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: I mean it's I tried to focus on, you know, 136 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: being with the family as much as possible, but you know, 137 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: it's pretty tough sometimes when you have four or five 138 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: teams calling and you got to sit down with their 139 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: wife and kids and be like, all right, you know, 140 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: one of these opportunities look like and you kind of 141 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: have to sometimes figure it out pretty quick because those 142 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: offers can go to other players if you don't act 143 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: fast enough. 144 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: Man, I know you follow me on Twitter, but are 145 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: you looking to your phone for for updates. 146 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, my my big free agent 147 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: year after two thousand whatever that was two thousand and nine. Yeah, 148 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: I mean I think you know somehow, you know, you 149 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: might be the last to know, Like I don't know. 150 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: You just check and see if you know what the 151 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: rumors are, and if it's a reliable source, you know, 152 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: if it's Ken Rosenthal or Jeff Passon or you know 153 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: some of these guys that cover the sport that actually 154 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: have sources, Like if they if they're saying something about 155 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: your free agency, then then like it makes you kind 156 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: of perk up or wonder what might be going on. 157 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: But most of the time your agent or you know, 158 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: is is more in the know and and is keeping 159 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: you updated on real talk or real offers. You know, 160 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: I think more more so, like when you might be 161 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: getting traded, is when I think you check. You know, 162 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: you're checking the phone to see what the rumors are 163 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: on trades more than free agency. I mean a lot 164 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: of times in free agency you nobody, nobody. 165 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: Has any more inside information than you do. 166 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: But when I got traded, you know, to the to 167 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: the cardinals from the A's like I would read, you know, 168 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: kind of what was going on and it was actually, 169 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: you know, pretty accurate. So I think that that's you know, 170 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: I don't those guys actually have sources and actually have 171 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: usually have some pretty good idea on trades. 172 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: How about you, Lance, did you ever find out about 173 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: potential trade or where you're going to end up ahead 174 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: of when your agent told you from something you read. 175 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 6: When I was in Chicago, I think I heard that 176 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 6: I was going somewhere on a day of a start, 177 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 6: which ended up not being true and ended up being 178 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 6: a place that I had to no trade too too, 179 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 6: And I was never even asked so if I would wait, 180 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 6: my not trade to that team. 181 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 5: So there are. 182 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 6: Times when people tweet things that are incorrect two and 183 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 6: you see it here and there. But you know, the 184 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 6: good ones have sources, they vet and they do the 185 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 6: things they need to do. So but yes, there's times 186 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 6: where you hear you're going places that might not be true, 187 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 6: and then you get to ask questions and this and that. 188 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 6: So it's a weird cycle. You know, you wake up 189 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 6: to text. I think that year I woke up to 190 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 6: a text saying, hey you got traded early, congratulations getting 191 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 6: traded or something like that, and I was like, dude, 192 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 6: I haven't even Yeah, I just woke up and no 193 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 6: one's called me. I remember calling the JIMI. He's like, yeah, 194 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 6: no deals done. So I don't know where they got 195 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 6: that from. So it's a crazy world. And then so 196 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 6: you got to kind of keep your your circle tight, 197 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 6: and then nothing's really done until you talk to a 198 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 6: GM and your agent. So you pay attention to some 199 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 6: of that stuff, but you try not to make it 200 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 6: affects you because. 201 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 5: They don't know the ins and outs of what's actually 202 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 5: going on. 203 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: Hey, Kyle, I think there's what five six people that 204 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: have legitimate sources that have a handle on what may 205 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: be happening. But if you read I'm hearing from a 206 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: source you're not familiar with, chances are they didn't really 207 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: hear it from a source. But if you ever picked 208 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: up on what may be ahead from for you from 209 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: reading something, no. 210 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: Not not from not really from reading something getting that 211 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: far ahead, you know. I think there's there's quite a 212 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: few times where you get a text message from somebody 213 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: and say, hey, am I hearing this? 214 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: And is it true? 215 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: And then you know, I just kind of decide to 216 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: either respond to them or not. If it's a meeting 217 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: person that you trust and I've talked to you might 218 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: respond and try to be you know, professional there. But 219 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: you know, the only other time that I would have 220 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: had any type of heads up was in Texas. You know, 221 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: I just talked with with see Why there and said, hey, 222 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: you know, if we're going on a road trip. This 223 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: is right around all Star records. Like, if we're going 224 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: on a road trip and you're hearing something, which you 225 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: mind just giving me a heads up and maybe I 226 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: can just let my wife know not that come on 227 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: the road trip here. You know, maybe I can save 228 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: her a flight with the three kids and and we 229 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: don't have to deal with that. But you know, nothing, 230 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: nothing ended up developing there until right at the deadline. 231 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: And Matt, we've talked about the potential labor stoppage coming 232 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: up with the UH with the labor agreement. What impact 233 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: do you think that's gonna have on the market being 234 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: set and teams making moves and what moves they may 235 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: or may not make. 236 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know specifically, Like I 237 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: still got to think that. I mean, both owners and 238 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: players are making money. The industry is healthy. They're talking 239 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: about expansion, they're talking about relocating divisions, like the game 240 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: is in a healthy place, So I can't imagine. 241 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 4: That that you have to wait. 242 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: That too much because I think, like I think Lance, 243 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: we talked about this about how many games before the 244 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: TV they start losing money from the TV contract. I 245 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: can't imagine a strike or lockout going past that number 246 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: of games to where they start losing their their TV contracts. So, look, 247 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: could there be a delay and in that season? Uh, 248 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: not this coming season, but the next season? Uh? 249 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: I think, sure, yeah, I could. 250 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: I could buy that, But do I think it's gonna 251 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: be a completely lost season. I can't imagine that the 252 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: owners and players. 253 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 4: With the health of of the. 254 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: Industry could make that kind of mistake of going a 255 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: whole year without baseball. 256 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 4: So I don't think it's. 257 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: Going to make a big impact on on teams decision 258 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: making this offseason. 259 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 4: I mean, I just don't because I don't believe that. 260 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: That even if there is a lockout that's going to last, 261 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: you're still going to have to need really good players 262 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: when the lockout ends in April or whatever, Like you're 263 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 3: still building your roster with the idea of winning a 264 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: World Series. 265 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 4: Whether you're a next year team or you're three years 266 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 4: from now. 267 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: Team I certainly wouldn't think that that's that's in the 268 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 3: in the center of their plan or or in their 269 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: decision making. 270 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: But who knows, Maybe I'm wrong, Lampson, Where where do 271 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: you fall on that? 272 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 5: I think it depends on each team. 273 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Right. 274 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 6: If you're a team that this is your your window 275 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 6: to win a World Series, you might see a you know, 276 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 6: a run of one year deals maybe, uh stuff like that, 277 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 6: where you're a market that can say, hey, we don't 278 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 6: know what you know, what the number is going to 279 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 6: look like after this CVA, but we know where they're 280 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 6: at right now, and we know this is our window, 281 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 6: and you know, we don't want to lose it if 282 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 6: something weird happens with a full year uh. So you 283 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 6: can see teams shoot up, and then the teams that 284 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 6: don't think they're gonna win next year aren't gonna spend money, 285 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 6: which is kind of the going rate anyways, And that's 286 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 6: kind of been the problem, right if you aren't ready 287 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 6: to win, or or you haven't been the owner that 288 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 6: they told us year turn to have a window yet 289 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 6: and everyone else isn't spending, and so you can spend. 290 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 6: So it's still gonna stay in those windows, and you know, 291 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 6: you'll see teams do a lot of one year deals, 292 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 6: and I'm gonna say there'll be there could be a 293 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 6: lot more one year deals that are a little higher 294 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 6: AAVs this year than you've seen, just because of, hey, 295 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 6: you know, we might as well just do this if 296 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 6: we if we're a French team, or we're a team 297 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 6: that's gonna that has a good chance. So there's a 298 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 6: lot of different ways you can look at it. And 299 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 6: then you can look at the teams that are mid 300 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 6: markets that are like, hey, we're not gonna go top dollar, 301 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 6: but then they give a guy a third or fourth 302 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 6: year for a lower AAV just because he's the last 303 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 6: guy standing. 304 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 5: Stuff like that. So there's multiple ways teams can go 305 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 5: with it. 306 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 6: But I think the teams that are in the win 307 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 6: now mode, I think there's gonna be a lot more 308 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 6: one year deals with a little higher aav and then 309 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 6: they can, you know, kind of kind of cut cut, 310 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 6: you know, cut revenue when I guess when they need to. 311 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: In the next CVA, Kyle, how about you, I ask you, 312 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: with all due respect for your opinion. 313 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 5: Thank you, Jim. 314 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I think with baseball in a good spot. 315 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: Just like you know, Matt and Lance have said, I 316 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: think it'd be kind of silly to for both sides 317 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: to not be able to negotiate in good faith and 318 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: get something done. 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To me, one of the most interesting 372 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: things for the Cardinals is Wilson Contreras, who had a 373 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: very good year last year twenty homers think a career 374 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: high eighty RBIs Now he has a no trade clause. 375 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: And if you read the stuff where it talks about, 376 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, Cardinals potentially dealing off some of the high 377 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: ticket guys. I have you see the name Wilson Contreras mentioned, 378 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: but he has a no trade and he has said 379 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: on the record and he said he's told heim Bloom 380 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: that he would like to stay, but you still see 381 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: his name mentioned. So, Matt, I'm going to ask you 382 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: about the decision making process for the Cardinals. You have 383 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: a first basement Wilson. Cantreras's coming off a very good year. 384 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: Energy guy, no question about it, one of the veterans 385 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: I have on the ball club. But he also is 386 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: doing eighteen million dollars this year, eighteen million dollars next year. 387 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: If you're a team that's trying to build for the 388 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: future and maybe trying to cut some payroll where you 389 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: can put it elsewhere in a more needed spot, they 390 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: could put Barlson, obviously at first base, where he's played 391 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: a bunch. What would you do? What do you think 392 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are thinking right now? 393 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 3: I mean, look, everybody's for sale that we talked about before. 394 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 3: I mean, it's all about what you get in return. 395 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: I wouldn't give him away. I think he's too valuable. 396 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 3: I think he's he's an energy player. I think he's 397 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 3: good for young players. I think he's intense. I think 398 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 3: he takes every back. They can speak to that they 399 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: played with him more than I can. But here's a 400 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: guy that that comes to the field every day, wanting 401 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: to win. Plays hard is it bats means something. 402 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 5: To him from. 403 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: All what you know, all accounts, He's a good example, 404 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: uh for for young players. Eighteen million dollars in this 405 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: day and age and a payroll in a market beside 406 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: of the Saint Louis Is is not it's not detrimental. 407 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's not. It's not crushing your pit payroll. 408 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 3: If you if you get something that you deem equal 409 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 3: to the value, and you know, you you get some 410 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: thing that maybe you you know, pitching or whatever you're 411 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: looking for that you think is of value, then I 412 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: would move him. 413 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 4: But I don't. 414 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't. 415 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 4: I don't come into. 416 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: This offseason thinking we need to get out from under 417 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: that eighteen million. I mean, I think this guy's he's 418 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: valuable enough and brings a to the table that that's 419 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: not that's you know, it's twenty twenty five, Like they 420 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: don't have a ton of payroll they can afford to 421 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: keep him on the team. And if he brings more 422 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: value than what you're getting offered in the trade, you 423 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 3: don't trade him. And so I'd be interested to see 424 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: what kind of offers they get for him. 425 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 4: But like at the end of the day, I said 426 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 4: this about the whole team. 427 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 3: I think every player in the league except show Hey 428 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: and Aaron Judge and maybe. 429 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: A couple others, maybe screwball. 430 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: I mean, even while he's going in a three agency, 431 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: but I think every every player in the league is 432 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: tradable depending on what you get back. 433 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: Now, Kyle, I know you and Lance have been on 434 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: the record saying you think the Cardinals should keep the 435 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: veteran guys and build around them. 436 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 4: But you know. 437 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Wilson Contreras pretty well. What do the Cardinals have in 438 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: him and also what would make him appealing? Do you 439 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: think for other ball clubs looking to make a deal, 440 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: certainly the Cardinals need pitching. 441 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean think you know, the Taylor Ward and 442 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: Grayson Rodriguez trade is really interesting. I don't know if 443 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: Wilson has that value less or more. I have no idea. 444 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: I mean, he's a right handed bat with dump that 445 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: plays a really good first base and plays hard, and 446 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: except for freak injuries, you know, getting hit by a 447 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: pitcher or something, he's available most of the days. So 448 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: I mean, man, it's if you're getting that type of return, 449 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: then it's gonna be hard to not entertain and say yes. 450 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: I mean Grayson, knowing him personally, he's he's a guy 451 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: that can change his starting rotation pretty quick. So if 452 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 2: you're going to get a power arm or a refined 453 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: major league starting pitcher, I like being on those sides 454 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: of the trade. I don't know, you know what Matt 455 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: would think being a position player, but I like being 456 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: on the side of the trade where you're getting the 457 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: quality started pitching for the position player. Nothing against position players. 458 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: I just think, you know, top ends started pitching his preview. 459 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: But I mean, I think it's interesting to see where 460 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: it is. But you know, I still will stand by 461 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 2: and maintain that you keep them, and you add a 462 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: couple guys here there, and you get yourself a winner. 463 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: Okay, we just had a technical issue. We have lost 464 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: Lance Slim's microphone. I'll bet there, I'll bet there's some 465 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: teammates or managers that wish they could have had a 466 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: mute button. But Lance, everything okay with you? No, Devin, 467 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: just all right, we're gonna finish with another topic. We're 468 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: gonna keep Lance in there. So I'm gonna start with 469 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: Lance because it'll be a quick answer. Major League Baseball 470 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: just extended their deal with PitchCom. Right, and I watched 471 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: a lot of games I cover games. There's always an 472 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: issue with PitchCom. Are we happy with PitchCom? Is there 473 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: something better out there that MLB should have extended? 474 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 7: Uh? 475 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: Their their PitchCom deal? Lance, are you good with PitchCom? 476 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: And give me a thumb? He likes PitchCom? All right, 477 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna move right on to Kyle h. 478 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, Pitchcock was good. 479 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: I mean I liked coming up with like extensive pitch 480 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 2: sequences to see if you could keep the other team 481 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: from get them. It kind of became a little bit 482 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 2: of a game there. You know a funny story I 483 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: had going into spring training when yere was Bobby Wilson 484 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: came to the Twins and we were going over pitch 485 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 2: signs in spring training and I had started this was 486 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: I think twenty eighteen, maybe twenty I can can't remember, 487 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: and I had started using a sequence involving subtraction. So 488 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: you take the first sign, subtract the second sign, and 489 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 2: that's the pitch you get right. And then if you 490 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: double up, the sign and goes to zero, so it's 491 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: a change up. I get that explained this to Bobby Wilson. 492 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: He goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, I went to junior college. 493 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: Can we just go like first sign indicator or second sign? 494 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 5: Yeah? Sure, let's just go second sign, Bobby. But Pitchcom's great. 495 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: I mean, it's nice if you have an idea in 496 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: your head the exact pitch you want to throw, you 497 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: can avoid all the shaking and you can give it 498 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 2: to him. You know, I think it simplifies it. 499 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: Let's just check in on Lance. Lance. Is the audio back? 500 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: Give us a thumbs up or thumbs down. 501 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: Tell us that the audio is back to you, Mike, 502 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: Come on. 503 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: Matt, is there something that the batter maybe a tell 504 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: that he could pick up with PitchCom that he loses 505 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: with pitch com? Or is there? It has absolutely no 506 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: impact on on the hitter. 507 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's the same thing as forever. 508 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: As far as like if a pitcher is doing something 509 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: different in his wind up or his mechanics, or he 510 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: comes to set higher on one pitch and lower on another, 511 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: those are the only tells. I mean, occasionally on second base, 512 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: if you had somebody that was was picking up you know, 513 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 3: signs between the legs, you could relay to that. But really, 514 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 3: I think now with pitch calm, nobody even try, and 515 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: I mean there's. 516 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: Nothing to there's nothing to get other than like I said, 517 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 4: there's people always that are gonna study. 518 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: You know, if a guy's further away from his body 519 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: or closer to his body on certain pitches, or if 520 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 3: the pitcher is tipping based on his body, then that's 521 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 3: always going to be something. 522 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: There's always people looking in. 523 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 3: The dugout for grip, is he turning the ball in 524 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: his glove or you know all the things, or is 525 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: the catcher you know, is the catcher shifting too early? 526 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: Is the catcher get down on you know, they're all 527 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 3: on one knee. 528 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 4: I guess now for every pitch. 529 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: But there's gonna be always people looking for body movements. 530 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 3: But as far as like stealing signs goes, I mean 531 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 3: those days are over. I mean, it's it's a it's 532 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: you know, it's you know, even in college baseball, they 533 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: have the bracelets or whatever you want to call them 534 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: to where the coach is putting in hit and run 535 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: or steal. 536 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: Uh, so you know the player looks at that. 537 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 3: So there's not even signs coming from the third base 538 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: coach anymore. So it's it's about as uh stealth of 539 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 3: a game as we can possibly make it. And you know, 540 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: outside of human error where a pitcher's doing something physically 541 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 3: slightly different on different pitches, Uh, there's no more stealing 542 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 3: pitches as a. 543 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: Hitter, though, you're all focused on the pitch and the 544 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: pitch colmn goes out. Sometimes it happens a couple of 545 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: times in the game. Done that. Don't bother you don't frustrate, 546 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, I mean. 547 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 3: It's I mean it didn't happen enough to make it. 548 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: I don't think it's that big of a deal. They 549 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 3: just run a new one out there, and I mean 550 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 3: it's to me, it's it's it's no factor. 551 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 5: Kyle. 552 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: Do you like the whole setup with it easy to manage? 553 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: You don't think any improvements can be made, You're you're 554 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: good with it as is. 555 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 5: I think it's good. 556 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: I do think there's instances where you know, you can 557 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: maybe hear it if you're on second base or you're 558 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 2: a hitter and the catcher has a too loud or 559 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: you're on first base and the first baseman has a 560 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: towo loud because you just don't know who has one 561 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 2: in the field. I actually had a hitter tell me 562 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 2: one time that you know, they heard it from the 563 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: catcher when I was throwing, and he's like, oh man, 564 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: inside sink are great and he turns and burned and 565 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: hits a one hot double play the third base. So, 566 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: I mean it worked out for me. But I mean 567 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: it's still there's certain instances where you know, you really 568 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 2: can't tell how loud it is away from you. So 569 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: if you haven't turned up and the crowd gets quiet, 570 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: you know that is something that can be heard. But 571 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 2: there's no issues with it. That's I think it's a 572 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 2: decent system. 573 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: All right, Well, boys, Matt has things to do. Matt, 574 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: are you're still with us? Lance has something to fix? 575 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: And uh, Kyle, you were great. You're like, you're like 576 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: the kid in class that sits in the front row 577 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: and says you forgot to give us homework. Yes, Matt, 578 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: what do you mean I was? 579 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 4: I mean Kyle was great. We weren't you were great? Lances? 580 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 4: Lance has been great, still been great. 581 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: That is going to do it for this edition of 582 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: Cardinals Terror. 583 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's part of our stick, is that 584 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 3: something's gonna be off somebody's gonna be doing something dumb, 585 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 3: Like I'm very unprofessional, Like I don't have headphones on Lance. 586 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 4: I don't know what he's right now. 587 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: The pillow has been in the shop the whole time. 588 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 5: You're just like it. 589 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, well again, Like I think that's part of our 590 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: stick is it's not very professional. But you know I 591 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 3: do like our little birds that hit heads in our introduction. 592 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Lance is like doing the sign language thing for 593 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: this show. We appreciate that, and that's gonna do Miami, 594 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: he's a mine. That's gonna do it for this edition 595 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: of Cardinal Territory. We hope to see you next time. 596 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: Hopefully that edition won't suck.