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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to our Native Land Native
Speaker 3: Land Mini Pod.
Speaker 4: We still have Garrison Hayes with us.
Speaker 3: Shout out to my brother Andrew Gillup for actually joining
Speaker 3: his family and going on vacation. Much deserve, much needed
Speaker 3: for spring Break and Angela Raie. But today we're having
Speaker 3: a mini pod of great urgency because what we have
Speaker 3: is an attack on the arts. First, Timothy Challemeat took
Speaker 3: on ballet and the opera, saying who cares about those things?
Speaker 3: And now we have African American performing art centers under
Speaker 3: attack by the NBA. Magic City Monday, as we all know,
Speaker 3: Love and Adore has has was canceled with the Atlanta Hawks.
Speaker 3: It left many people distraught, It left it left the
Speaker 3: entire community devastated. Uh, and so I wanted to make
Speaker 3: sure first we're going to pull up with Adams said
Speaker 3: about the cancelation.
Speaker 4: Here we go, he said.
Speaker 3: When we became aware of the Atlanta Hawks schedule promotion,
Speaker 3: we reached out to Hawk's leadership to better understand their plans.
Speaker 4: And rationale.
Speaker 3: While we appreciate the team's perspective and the desire to
Speaker 3: move forward, we have heard significant concerns from a broader
Speaker 3: array of league stakeholders, including fans, partners, and employees. I
Speaker 3: believe canceling this promotion is the right decision for the
Speaker 3: broader NBA community. I have not been so disappointed and
Speaker 3: a commissioner in a very long period of time. But
Speaker 3: here we are, Garrison, Angela, I mean, do you all
Speaker 3: share the same heartbreak that I share? Magic City Monday
Speaker 3: is a part of the Atlanta lore and legacy.
Speaker 5: Is this good? Go ahead? Angela. I want to hear
Speaker 5: from you.
Speaker 6: No, I want to hear your question.
Speaker 2: I was curious, I mean, just as a point of technicality,
Speaker 2: is this the first one? Or have they been doing
Speaker 2: this for a while. I'm an Atlanta Hawks fan, I've
Speaker 2: never heard of this. This is the first one.
Speaker 3: They have sweat they were going to do wings ti
Speaker 3: I performing at halftime. I believe two change might have
Speaker 3: been there. I know Young Drove was there. It's just
Speaker 3: the whole atmosphere. I mean, and then you go celebrate
Speaker 3: the after party at Magic City. I mean, you're just
Speaker 3: reinforcing making sure the dollars reach the community.
Speaker 5: Where they're needed, circulating in the black community.
Speaker 4: I like that. I like that souls to the.
Speaker 6: Polls, literally to the polls. I think that.
Speaker 1: The thing that is interesting to me is that there's
Speaker 1: this confusion about how much like strip club culture is
Speaker 1: a part of Atlanta, Like it is so fundamental to
Speaker 1: and I don't think that kids or families are confused
Speaker 1: about that. So it would be one thing if they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, let's actually bring naked booty women to
Speaker 1: the thing and have the pole dancing for halftime. That
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen. But there was pole dancing at Usher's
Speaker 1: Vegas show. Usher included it in other aspects of his show,
Speaker 1: and it was fine because what it is a part
Speaker 1: of Atlantic culture. Now here's another piece that I think
Speaker 1: is really really important here.
Speaker 6: This is a business, this is a pastime.
Speaker 1: These kids, some of these badass children, do listen to
Speaker 1: hip hop with cursing in the lyrics. So it's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: I cannot believe this clutched my pearls. But I think
Speaker 1: what's fascinating about this is Jamie Gertz, who is the
Speaker 1: principal owner of the Atlanta Hawks, with her husband Tony Wrestler,
Speaker 1: had a twenty twenty five Stars documentary called Magic City
Speaker 1: and American Fantasy. This docuseries is part of the reason
Speaker 1: why she has an affinity toward Magic City and probably
Speaker 1: any interest in doing this at all. I'm sure this
Speaker 1: was remarkably disappointing for them. I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world, but I can
Speaker 1: understand why it's frustrating. Again to me, this is just
Speaker 1: a part of, you know, what Atlanta culture is, and
Speaker 1: so I just was blown away that it became such
Speaker 1: a big deal, and I was really surprised. I'd love
Speaker 1: to know what you all think or no, like why
Speaker 1: Adam Silver felt the need to get involved. There was
Speaker 1: some blowback, but it's largely from conservatives, and let's not
Speaker 1: act like they're not involved in strip club culture.
Speaker 5: I think part of it is on.
Speaker 6: The deal for strip clips.
Speaker 2: What I think happened is that Lucordine, NBA player made
Speaker 2: his statement that basically kind of blew it up around
Speaker 2: certain circles that this was inappropriate.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: But to your point, Angela as a as a person
Speaker 2: who grew up in Atlanta, born and raised in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: I knew about matt I knew about the strip clubs
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, like from very very young. And
Speaker 2: it's not to say that this is a place that
Speaker 2: was like I wanted to go, none of that, but
Speaker 2: but I knew about it, and it was a part
Speaker 2: of the culture, and it was certainly a part of
Speaker 2: the lore of the city. I mean, everybody knows that
Speaker 2: when you know there's a there's a hot record that's
Speaker 2: about to come out. They played in Magic City first,
Speaker 2: Like we know that, Like that's what we know.
Speaker 5: That's a part of the culture. So I thought it
Speaker 5: was interesting enough.
Speaker 2: Of course they were playing the Orlando Magic and so
Speaker 2: like there's this kind of connection there with the team name,
Speaker 2: and I thought that was kind of.
Speaker 5: Interesting, and that.
Speaker 6: Was the main point.
Speaker 5: That was the main point. It kind of got blown
Speaker 5: out of proportion.
Speaker 2: I think they were just doing a kind of an
Speaker 2: interesting play on the name and the city and the
Speaker 2: team and the lore and all that stuff, and it
Speaker 2: got kind of blown up. To your point, I highly
Speaker 2: doubt they had any anyone in there that was any
Speaker 2: more let's say, inappropriately dressed than a cheerleader or a
Speaker 2: person who was a part of the dance squad right
Speaker 2: like that that that wouldn't have, you know, risened to
Speaker 2: some level of inappropriateness, And so I did think it
Speaker 2: was a bit a bit much.
Speaker 3: Look, Luke Cornett averaged six point seven points a game,
Speaker 3: and he was the one who kind of spurred this
Speaker 3: opposition from the San Antonio Spurs. He played at Vanderbilt.
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody that has a Luke Cornett jersey.
Speaker 3: But one of the things I.
Speaker 6: Did, does he does he have a quote? I want
Speaker 6: to play the quote.
Speaker 5: I don't know he wrote it. He wrote an article.
Speaker 2: He wrote an article on Medium calling for it to
Speaker 2: be canceled.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see this now, Oh steven A had something
Speaker 1: to say about it. You want to see that?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think that that people need to
Speaker 3: first because they're people who aren't familiar with Atlanta, like
Speaker 3: the three of us are. I went to Morehouse. It's
Speaker 3: one of my favorite cities on Earth. I tell people
Speaker 3: all the time, Atlanta's full. They don't need nobody else
Speaker 3: moving down there. Traffic's a mess, but Atlanta is a
Speaker 3: city of great culture. All the way back from Maynard Jackson,
Speaker 3: you know, he piggybacked off.
Speaker 4: Maryon Barry in d C.
Speaker 3: Creating a new entire atmosphere of black wealth, what they
Speaker 3: did with Hartsville Jackson Airport, black contracting. You're talking about
Speaker 3: the epicenter of black intelligentia with itc More High School
Speaker 3: of Medicine, Morehouse, Spellman Clark, Atlanta, Morris Brown. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just always been and people when they think of
Speaker 3: strip clubs or Magic City, they just think of something
Speaker 3: that is dinner, whereas in Atlanta it's seen as the
Speaker 3: epicenter of pop culture. Mister Magic is a real human being,
Speaker 3: his son Juju is a real human being. They are
Speaker 3: figures in Atlanta culture. Government, I mean they play a role.
Speaker 3: They you know, politicians know who they are, government employees
Speaker 3: know who they are. And to your point, Garrison, there
Speaker 3: are there are songs like DJ's literally you have to
Speaker 3: go to Magic City to play your music first. And
Speaker 3: Magic City is more known for their food and cuisine.
Speaker 3: Shout out the MC Kitchen, who probably follow some of
Speaker 3: y'all on Instagram.
Speaker 4: They follow me, but.
Speaker 3: They're they're more known for their food and cuisine than
Speaker 3: actual strippers. I mean, I've been I go I don't
Speaker 3: mind saying that. Ellen goes with me it's all good. Uh.
Speaker 3: The food is phenomenal and the you know, just the
Speaker 3: it's very small only beef I do have now juju
Speaker 3: if you are listening. They charged way too much for parking,
Speaker 3: which is why everybody got a They charged about sixty
Speaker 3: eighty dollars the park at Magic City. But I just
Speaker 3: think that it's a and shout out to Tony Wrestler
Speaker 3: because a lot of times you get these owners of
Speaker 3: organizations who don't identify with the city.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but shout out.
Speaker 3: To him for even they were like, we're gonna do
Speaker 3: Magic City Monday, and Tony Wrestler was like, bet I'll
Speaker 3: be there. Like, but the city, the city still showed
Speaker 3: up to y'all still perform. It wasn't Magic City Monday.
Speaker 3: It was just a Monday with the magic And I'm
Speaker 3: disappointed that I Adam Silver didn't let Atlanta be Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam Silver, we got to have a conversation about
Speaker 2: the commissioner. Okay, I really feel like he's lost his way.
Speaker 2: Pablo has been kind of blowing his spot up and
Speaker 2: so I need I need some reforms from Adam Silver.
Speaker 2: He hates I know that pet Pablo been to watch
Speaker 2: his back around. See he's better watch his back. This
Speaker 2: is what I got it. I say this about about
Speaker 2: the city of Atlanta. You're right that Atlanta is a
Speaker 2: city of culture. But Atlanta is truly a city of diversity.
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is it's a lot
Speaker 2: of black people, but it's a lot of different types
Speaker 2: of black people. You can find basically any kind of
Speaker 2: black person in Atlanta. And I think to some degree,
Speaker 2: if I let the Atlanta come out of me, I
Speaker 2: would say that people are very jealous of that. I
Speaker 2: think people have a lot of hate in their heart
Speaker 2: toward Atlanta because black people in Atlanta can be anything.
Speaker 2: You can grow up as a skater kid and be
Speaker 2: a very black skater kid in Atlanta. You can be
Speaker 2: into any type of music in Atlanta. You can be
Speaker 2: into strip clubs, you can be into the arts, anything
Speaker 2: you want in Atlanta. And it's because of that diversity
Speaker 2: that a night like Magic City Night doesn't really like
Speaker 2: offend the sensibilities.
Speaker 5: Because they had the H. J.
Speaker 2: Russell Knight a couple of weeks ago, right like they
Speaker 2: had the moor House Night. They had the you know,
Speaker 2: spell House Night a few months ago. Like there's a
Speaker 2: little bit of everything there, and they're gonna have the
Speaker 2: Pride Night a couple of times a year, and they're
Speaker 2: gonna have everything. So it's not as though this is
Speaker 2: some special or we're honoring strippers. No, we're honoring everybody
Speaker 2: because in Atlanta you can be yourself. You can show
Speaker 2: up as yourself and be yourself, and we're very proud
Speaker 2: of that. And it's unf fortunate that we let anyone,
Speaker 2: particularly Luke Cornett come in and dictate.
Speaker 1: I know, but I want to know where is he from?
Speaker 1: Like from uh Louisville, like Jack Harlow. Y'all need to
Speaker 1: watch the main episode.
Speaker 7: If you confused, Yeah, you were close.
Speaker 2: He's from Lexington. He's from Lexington, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Let me turn out everybody trying to take something from
Speaker 1: black people to last couple of.
Speaker 6: Books.
Speaker 3: Oh lord, we do need to get Charles need to
Speaker 3: come defend himself. But all I was saying, oh.
Speaker 6: I said, they need to vote. They need to vote
Speaker 6: for him. We need to see some changes around here.
Speaker 3: I suppose I need to He also need to come
Speaker 3: to fan Kentucky right now because they tripped.
Speaker 6: See yes, yes, but defend this.
Speaker 4: N But you could be Jamal Bryant in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: To your point, I could be Andrake Dickens in Atlanta,
Speaker 3: j Russell in Atlanta. I mean, you could go and
Speaker 3: be at Emory, or you could work at the number
Speaker 3: one trauma center in the Southeast at Grady, like you know,
Speaker 3: I just I just find you could be Stacey Abrams
Speaker 3: graduated from Swelming like the.
Speaker 6: Bottom bottoms, and.
Speaker 3: You could be White Chocolate, who is probably arguably the
Speaker 3: greatest ripper in the history of mankind.
Speaker 4: But I don't, I mean, I don't want to go to.
Speaker 6: White Chocolate.
Speaker 4: She was in a tip drill video. You don't remember
Speaker 4: White Chocolate.
Speaker 1: She did this, and I tried to erase the tip
Speaker 1: drill video out of my mind.
Speaker 4: She did this.
Speaker 3: She did this dance one time where she she danced
Speaker 3: to like a house version of Mario's Let Me Love You.
Speaker 4: You should let Me Love You.
Speaker 6: Just kep going anyway.
Speaker 3: So she danced all the way up in the ceiling
Speaker 3: and like they had the ceiling pant panels removed, and
Speaker 3: when she came back down, she just dropped down and
Speaker 3: like money just rained up and came down. And she
Speaker 3: had these huge bodyguards and bouncers who helped her collect
Speaker 3: all the money. They went to like Jackson State and
Speaker 3: everybody went just to see white Chocolate dance.
Speaker 4: I mean it was just.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the detail with which you remember this. It's
Speaker 2: clearly left a mark. It clearly left white like Jack Barlowe.
Speaker 3: No, but she actually actually she There was an article
Speaker 3: about her in Creative Loafing, I believe or something like that.
Speaker 5: What is that local? It feels like it's local to Atlanta.
Speaker 3: But maybe maybe they talked about they talked about her
Speaker 3: transforming the YEP profile White Chocolate, creative Loafing of creative uh,
Speaker 3: creative Loafing from tall pole to small screen.
Speaker 4: And it goes into who she is.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 1: I had a biographical narrative out White Chocolate. Shout out
Speaker 1: to you, White Chocolate. Clearly you've had a major impact
Speaker 1: on mccary's life.
Speaker 6: And four, Wow, what happened? I don't know if we should.
Speaker 4: Should Morehouse college?
Speaker 1: Oh Lord help us. Okay, So here is the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of people. I grew
Speaker 1: up Catholic and then went to Baptist Church with my
Speaker 1: dad and then ended up in Koji Church. By the
Speaker 1: time I was sixteen, I know that my bishop is
Speaker 1: not going to love this mini pod.
Speaker 6: Sorry.
Speaker 1: I just think that we should have conversations about art skill. Uh,
Speaker 1: the the You have to be able to do a
Speaker 1: chin up to be a stripper, to climb up.
Speaker 6: I can't do a chin up, can't twork.
Speaker 1: All of that takes athletic ability that.
Speaker 6: Many of us don't have.
Speaker 1: And so I think that there is some hate going
Speaker 1: on about that too. People are mad they can't do
Speaker 1: what they do. But also I understand people not wanting
Speaker 1: to see people so naked everywhere. I have to tell
Speaker 1: you all, I'm a germophobe. I did go to the
Speaker 1: strip club. One of my good friends had a birthday,
Speaker 1: so we went for her birthday. She did three. I
Speaker 1: can only do one and a half. I was done
Speaker 1: after that second half. I was like, look, guys, lovey.
Speaker 1: The chicken wings were great at Magic City, but I
Speaker 1: think I'm done here.
Speaker 6: And here's the thing. Germs. I just I can't do
Speaker 6: the germs. I can't do the germs.
Speaker 1: I can't do the germs, Like, don't shake any of
Speaker 1: that around me. And I'm sure I'm not calling them germs,
Speaker 1: but I'm calling all the people that had to like
Speaker 1: touch them and like the butts that are on seats.
Speaker 6: It's just.
Speaker 1: I can't do the germs. I don't even want to
Speaker 1: shake any respect. I don't even want to shake hands.
Speaker 1: I want to fist, bump and hug these days because
Speaker 1: y'all go to not y'all, but some people outside go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and don't wash their hands, and then
Speaker 1: they're putting those hands on the sides and thighs of
Speaker 1: these and the waste of these people, these human beings
Speaker 1: that are sharing an art form. I don't want any
Speaker 1: I don't want to be anywhere near it.
Speaker 5: I was so you weren't supposed touch I thought you
Speaker 5: were supposed to.
Speaker 1: Look, you can't touch the people, Okay, Well I don't know.
Speaker 1: But are they sitting on laps? Because what about if
Speaker 1: the pants aren't clean? Okay, and then they're going to
Speaker 1: transfer those over to your laps.
Speaker 4: Let me bring it home. Let me bring it home
Speaker 4: real quick.
Speaker 3: On the things I do think is that we should
Speaker 3: not be and I'm not saying you are, but just
Speaker 3: in general, we should not be in the business of
Speaker 3: discounting people because we need all these people if we're
Speaker 3: going to organize and when I made the joke about
Speaker 3: social costs.
Speaker 6: I'm talking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that we need to make sure
Speaker 3: that I said this on TV last year. I said
Speaker 3: that Kamala Harris needed to organize from the churches to
Speaker 3: Magic City, and I agree with that wholeheart.
Speaker 1: Karie would like to be the organizer of the strippers
Speaker 1: like he Win himself. He would like to connecting. He
Speaker 1: would like to be the organizer. He will take you, guys,
Speaker 1: just so you know, this is a former state wide candidate.
Speaker 6: He will take a pay decrease if.
Speaker 1: You will allow him to be pro bono organizer of
Speaker 1: the strip club.
Speaker 4: They have stories. Somebody sign I could listen to the.
Speaker 2: Story across America states.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, strategy, well he might have got some years,
Speaker 1: but fifty strategies at all, Howard Dan everything.
Speaker 5: Now yeah, yeah, Lexicon Lexington, Kentucky.
Speaker 4: That's who we're going to start. We're gonna start. We're
Speaker 4: gonna start at Luke Cortnet's home. Anyway, Welcome homey all.
Speaker 3: This has been another mini pod with Natives Land, and
Speaker 3: we're grateful that Garrison Hayes joined us on this auspicious
Speaker 3: day where we were able to dig into uh something
Speaker 3: that troubled us all, which is another attack and assault
Speaker 3: on the arts.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, can we not close the show out
Speaker 1: really quick? Because I have a question for Garrison about this. Sorry, guys, Garrett,
Speaker 1: one thing we did not say in the main show
Speaker 1: or now. Garrison is a former preacher, former so I.
Speaker 6: Want to know. I want to know. I know that's
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I wanted because because I brought up church and then
Speaker 1: I meant to say this, but I got distracted on
Speaker 1: the germs because ad D. I'm sorry, but Garrison, do
Speaker 1: what do you think about So there's this like this
Speaker 1: church condemnation about this art form overall, not in every
Speaker 1: single church.
Speaker 6: How do you square like your.
Speaker 1: Your Christianity, your belief system with this whole kind of
Speaker 1: line of thinking and the judgment that is often attached
Speaker 1: to these folks in this art form.
Speaker 2: So I got I have jokes right like I can,
Speaker 2: I can, I can play the game.
Speaker 5: I will say.
Speaker 2: I understand where church folks are coming from when it
Speaker 2: when they say, like I, you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: my kid or whatever exposed to this stuff. I think
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of fake outrage. If I'm being
Speaker 2: completely honest with you, I've never been to a strip club,
Speaker 2: in part because I was raised like a real church boy,
Speaker 2: and then I went off to seminary, and then I
Speaker 2: was a pastor, and I just couldn't be caught in
Speaker 2: one of those places, right like that just would not
Speaker 2: be a good look. I never really had the desire
Speaker 2: for similar reasons to you, Angela. I'm a little bit
Speaker 2: of a term of folk. But what I will say
Speaker 2: is that if we are being very, very honest, right like,
Speaker 2: I think the folks who are going into the strip
Speaker 2: clubs are far more honest than the porn addicts in
Speaker 2: the pulpit.
Speaker 5: Can we just say it? Can we just say it clearly?
Speaker 2: And like folks, people at the very least are being
Speaker 2: honest with themselves and putting out exactly who they are.
Speaker 2: And I think that's important to say. The other side
Speaker 2: of it that always concerns me. I have a friend
Speaker 2: who was once in that life, in that world, and
Speaker 2: there is a lot of assault.
Speaker 5: There is a lot of like drugs.
Speaker 2: And trafficking and things of that nature that take place
Speaker 2: in you know, strip clubs across the country, gentlemen's clubs,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, and I think it
Speaker 2: needs to be said that that we need to protect people.
Speaker 2: You know, if a person wants to be a stripper
Speaker 2: or be an adult entertainer more broadly, they should be
Speaker 2: able to do so. That is one of their rights
Speaker 2: to do so, but it should be safe, and as
Speaker 2: it stands today, it's not very safe for very many people.
Speaker 3: So there's a whole nother show I want to do
Speaker 3: on that thereon and I'm gonna I'm gonna bring you
Speaker 3: back to probably talk about it on a mini pod
Speaker 3: because I want to go talk to you about how
Speaker 3: we do that and protect individuals and what public policy
Speaker 3: we need to match that and maybe eliminate some of
Speaker 3: the harm that is inherent to the injury to the
Speaker 3: to the industries that we have and we've put under
Speaker 3: the cover of darkness. But that's for another mini pod
Speaker 3: down the road of a conversation for another day.
Speaker 6: I'm glad i'd be lined.
Speaker 4: You didn't know. That was great. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Make sure you like, subscribe, download, find us whatever you
Speaker 3: get your podcast. Garrison, thank you, brother, love you, Thank
Speaker 3: you for your time. Angela, love you, Andrew. We miss
Speaker 3: you brother, see you soon. And we out Welcome Home, y'all.
Speaker 6: Welcome Home.
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