1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Native Lamb Pod is a production of Iurheart Radio in 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: partnership with Reaison Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to our Native Land Native 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 3: Land Mini Pod. 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 4: We still have Garrison Hayes with us. 7 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: Shout out to my brother Andrew Gillup for actually joining 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 3: his family and going on vacation. Much deserve, much needed 9 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 3: for spring Break and Angela Raie. But today we're having 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: a mini pod of great urgency because what we have 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: is an attack on the arts. First, Timothy Challemeat took 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: on ballet and the opera, saying who cares about those things? 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 3: And now we have African American performing art centers under 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: attack by the NBA. Magic City Monday, as we all know, 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: Love and Adore has has was canceled with the Atlanta Hawks. 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: It left many people distraught, It left it left the 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: entire community devastated. Uh, and so I wanted to make 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: sure first we're going to pull up with Adams said 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: about the cancelation. 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 4: Here we go, he said. 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: When we became aware of the Atlanta Hawks schedule promotion, 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: we reached out to Hawk's leadership to better understand their plans. 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 4: And rationale. 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: While we appreciate the team's perspective and the desire to 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: move forward, we have heard significant concerns from a broader 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: array of league stakeholders, including fans, partners, and employees. I 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: believe canceling this promotion is the right decision for the 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: broader NBA community. I have not been so disappointed and 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: a commissioner in a very long period of time. But 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: here we are, Garrison, Angela, I mean, do you all 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: share the same heartbreak that I share? Magic City Monday 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: is a part of the Atlanta lore and legacy. 33 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 5: Is this good? Go ahead? Angela. I want to hear 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 5: from you. 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 6: No, I want to hear your question. 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: I was curious, I mean, just as a point of technicality, 37 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: is this the first one? Or have they been doing 38 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: this for a while. I'm an Atlanta Hawks fan, I've 39 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: never heard of this. This is the first one. 40 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: They have sweat they were going to do wings ti 41 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: I performing at halftime. I believe two change might have 42 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: been there. I know Young Drove was there. It's just 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 3: the whole atmosphere. I mean, and then you go celebrate 44 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: the after party at Magic City. I mean, you're just 45 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: reinforcing making sure the dollars reach the community. 46 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 5: Where they're needed, circulating in the black community. 47 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 4: I like that. I like that souls to the. 48 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 6: Polls, literally to the polls. I think that. 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: The thing that is interesting to me is that there's 50 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: this confusion about how much like strip club culture is 51 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: a part of Atlanta, Like it is so fundamental to 52 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think that kids or families are confused 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: about that. So it would be one thing if they 54 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: were like, oh, let's actually bring naked booty women to 55 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: the thing and have the pole dancing for halftime. That 56 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna happen. But there was pole dancing at Usher's 57 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: Vegas show. Usher included it in other aspects of his show, 58 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: and it was fine because what it is a part 59 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: of Atlantic culture. Now here's another piece that I think 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: is really really important here. 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,279 Speaker 6: This is a business, this is a pastime. 62 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: These kids, some of these badass children, do listen to 63 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: hip hop with cursing in the lyrics. So it's not like, oh, 64 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: I cannot believe this clutched my pearls. But I think 65 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: what's fascinating about this is Jamie Gertz, who is the 66 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: principal owner of the Atlanta Hawks, with her husband Tony Wrestler, 67 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: had a twenty twenty five Stars documentary called Magic City 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: and American Fantasy. This docuseries is part of the reason 69 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: why she has an affinity toward Magic City and probably 70 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: any interest in doing this at all. I'm sure this 71 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: was remarkably disappointing for them. I think it's you know, 72 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world, but I can 73 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: understand why it's frustrating. Again to me, this is just 74 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: a part of, you know, what Atlanta culture is, and 75 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: so I just was blown away that it became such 76 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: a big deal, and I was really surprised. I'd love 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: to know what you all think or no, like why 78 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: Adam Silver felt the need to get involved. There was 79 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: some blowback, but it's largely from conservatives, and let's not 80 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: act like they're not involved in strip club culture. 81 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 5: I think part of it is on. 82 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 6: The deal for strip clips. 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: What I think happened is that Lucordine, NBA player made 84 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 2: his statement that basically kind of blew it up around 85 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: certain circles that this was inappropriate. 86 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 4: Right. 87 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: But to your point, Angela as a as a person 88 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: who grew up in Atlanta, born and raised in Atlanta, 89 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: I knew about matt I knew about the strip clubs 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: and all this stuff, like from very very young. And 91 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: it's not to say that this is a place that 92 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: was like I wanted to go, none of that, but 93 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: but I knew about it, and it was a part 94 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 2: of the culture, and it was certainly a part of 95 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: the lore of the city. I mean, everybody knows that 96 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: when you know there's a there's a hot record that's 97 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: about to come out. They played in Magic City first, 98 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: Like we know that, Like that's what we know. 99 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 5: That's a part of the culture. So I thought it 100 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 5: was interesting enough. 101 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 2: Of course they were playing the Orlando Magic and so 102 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: like there's this kind of connection there with the team name, 103 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: and I thought that was kind of. 104 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 5: Interesting, and that. 105 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 6: Was the main point. 106 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 5: That was the main point. It kind of got blown 107 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 5: out of proportion. 108 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: I think they were just doing a kind of an 109 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: interesting play on the name and the city and the 110 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: team and the lore and all that stuff, and it 111 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: got kind of blown up. To your point, I highly 112 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: doubt they had any anyone in there that was any 113 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: more let's say, inappropriately dressed than a cheerleader or a 114 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: person who was a part of the dance squad right 115 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: like that that that wouldn't have, you know, risened to 116 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: some level of inappropriateness, And so I did think it 117 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: was a bit a bit much. 118 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: Look, Luke Cornett averaged six point seven points a game, 119 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: and he was the one who kind of spurred this 120 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 3: opposition from the San Antonio Spurs. He played at Vanderbilt. 121 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: I don't know anybody that has a Luke Cornett jersey. 122 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: But one of the things I. 123 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 6: Did, does he does he have a quote? I want 124 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 6: to play the quote. 125 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 5: I don't know he wrote it. He wrote an article. 126 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: He wrote an article on Medium calling for it to 127 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: be canceled. 128 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I see this now, Oh steven A had something 129 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: to say about it. You want to see that? 130 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. 131 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: But you know, I think that that people need to 132 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: first because they're people who aren't familiar with Atlanta, like 133 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 3: the three of us are. I went to Morehouse. It's 134 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: one of my favorite cities on Earth. I tell people 135 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: all the time, Atlanta's full. They don't need nobody else 136 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: moving down there. Traffic's a mess, but Atlanta is a 137 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 3: city of great culture. All the way back from Maynard Jackson, 138 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 3: you know, he piggybacked off. 139 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 4: Maryon Barry in d C. 140 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 3: Creating a new entire atmosphere of black wealth, what they 141 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: did with Hartsville Jackson Airport, black contracting. You're talking about 142 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: the epicenter of black intelligentia with itc More High School 143 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: of Medicine, Morehouse, Spellman Clark, Atlanta, Morris Brown. I mean, 144 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 3: it's just always been and people when they think of 145 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: strip clubs or Magic City, they just think of something 146 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: that is dinner, whereas in Atlanta it's seen as the 147 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: epicenter of pop culture. Mister Magic is a real human being, 148 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: his son Juju is a real human being. They are 149 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: figures in Atlanta culture. Government, I mean they play a role. 150 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: They you know, politicians know who they are, government employees 151 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: know who they are. And to your point, Garrison, there 152 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: are there are songs like DJ's literally you have to 153 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: go to Magic City to play your music first. And 154 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: Magic City is more known for their food and cuisine. 155 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: Shout out the MC Kitchen, who probably follow some of 156 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: y'all on Instagram. 157 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: They follow me, but. 158 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: They're they're more known for their food and cuisine than 159 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: actual strippers. I mean, I've been I go I don't 160 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: mind saying that. Ellen goes with me it's all good. Uh. 161 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: The food is phenomenal and the you know, just the 162 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: it's very small only beef I do have now juju 163 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: if you are listening. They charged way too much for parking, 164 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: which is why everybody got a They charged about sixty 165 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: eighty dollars the park at Magic City. But I just 166 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: think that it's a and shout out to Tony Wrestler 167 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: because a lot of times you get these owners of 168 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: organizations who don't identify with the city. 169 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, but shout out. 170 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: To him for even they were like, we're gonna do 171 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: Magic City Monday, and Tony Wrestler was like, bet I'll 172 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: be there. Like, but the city, the city still showed 173 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: up to y'all still perform. It wasn't Magic City Monday. 174 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: It was just a Monday with the magic And I'm 175 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: disappointed that I Adam Silver didn't let Atlanta be Atlanta. 176 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam Silver, we got to have a conversation about 177 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: the commissioner. Okay, I really feel like he's lost his way. 178 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: Pablo has been kind of blowing his spot up and 179 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: so I need I need some reforms from Adam Silver. 180 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: He hates I know that pet Pablo been to watch 181 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: his back around. See he's better watch his back. This 182 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: is what I got it. I say this about about 183 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: the city of Atlanta. You're right that Atlanta is a 184 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: city of culture. But Atlanta is truly a city of diversity. 185 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is it's a lot 186 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: of black people, but it's a lot of different types 187 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: of black people. You can find basically any kind of 188 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: black person in Atlanta. And I think to some degree, 189 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 2: if I let the Atlanta come out of me, I 190 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: would say that people are very jealous of that. I 191 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: think people have a lot of hate in their heart 192 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: toward Atlanta because black people in Atlanta can be anything. 193 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: You can grow up as a skater kid and be 194 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: a very black skater kid in Atlanta. You can be 195 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: into any type of music in Atlanta. You can be 196 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: into strip clubs, you can be into the arts, anything 197 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: you want in Atlanta. And it's because of that diversity 198 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: that a night like Magic City Night doesn't really like 199 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: offend the sensibilities. 200 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 5: Because they had the H. J. 201 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: Russell Knight a couple of weeks ago, right like they 202 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: had the moor House Night. They had the you know, 203 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: spell House Night a few months ago. Like there's a 204 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: little bit of everything there, and they're gonna have the 205 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: Pride Night a couple of times a year, and they're 206 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: gonna have everything. So it's not as though this is 207 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: some special or we're honoring strippers. No, we're honoring everybody 208 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: because in Atlanta you can be yourself. You can show 209 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: up as yourself and be yourself, and we're very proud 210 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: of that. And it's unf fortunate that we let anyone, 211 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: particularly Luke Cornett come in and dictate. 212 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: I know, but I want to know where is he from? 213 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: Like from uh Louisville, like Jack Harlow. Y'all need to 214 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: watch the main episode. 215 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 7: If you confused, Yeah, you were close. 216 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: He's from Lexington. He's from Lexington, Kentucky. 217 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: Let me turn out everybody trying to take something from 218 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: black people to last couple of. 219 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 6: Books. 220 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: Oh lord, we do need to get Charles need to 221 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: come defend himself. But all I was saying, oh. 222 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 6: I said, they need to vote. They need to vote 223 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 6: for him. We need to see some changes around here. 224 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: I suppose I need to He also need to come 225 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 3: to fan Kentucky right now because they tripped. 226 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 6: See yes, yes, but defend this. 227 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 4: N But you could be Jamal Bryant in Atlanta. 228 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: To your point, I could be Andrake Dickens in Atlanta, 229 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 3: j Russell in Atlanta. I mean, you could go and 230 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: be at Emory, or you could work at the number 231 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: one trauma center in the Southeast at Grady, like you know, 232 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: I just I just find you could be Stacey Abrams 233 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: graduated from Swelming like the. 234 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 6: Bottom bottoms, and. 235 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: You could be White Chocolate, who is probably arguably the 236 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 3: greatest ripper in the history of mankind. 237 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 4: But I don't, I mean, I don't want to go to. 238 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 6: White Chocolate. 239 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 4: She was in a tip drill video. You don't remember 240 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 4: White Chocolate. 241 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: She did this, and I tried to erase the tip 242 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: drill video out of my mind. 243 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: She did this. 244 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: She did this dance one time where she she danced 245 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: to like a house version of Mario's Let Me Love You. 246 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 4: You should let Me Love You. 247 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 6: Just kep going anyway. 248 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 3: So she danced all the way up in the ceiling 249 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: and like they had the ceiling pant panels removed, and 250 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: when she came back down, she just dropped down and 251 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: like money just rained up and came down. And she 252 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 3: had these huge bodyguards and bouncers who helped her collect 253 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: all the money. They went to like Jackson State and 254 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: everybody went just to see white Chocolate dance. 255 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: I mean it was just. 256 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 2: I appreciate the detail with which you remember this. It's 257 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: clearly left a mark. It clearly left white like Jack Barlowe. 258 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: No, but she actually actually she There was an article 259 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: about her in Creative Loafing, I believe or something like that. 260 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 5: What is that local? It feels like it's local to Atlanta. 261 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: But maybe maybe they talked about they talked about her 262 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: transforming the YEP profile White Chocolate, creative Loafing of creative uh, 263 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: creative Loafing from tall pole to small screen. 264 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: And it goes into who she is. 265 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 6: Well, thank you for that. 266 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: I had a biographical narrative out White Chocolate. Shout out 267 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: to you, White Chocolate. Clearly you've had a major impact 268 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: on mccary's life. 269 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 6: And four, Wow, what happened? I don't know if we should. 270 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 4: Should Morehouse college? 271 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: Oh Lord help us. Okay, So here is the thing. 272 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of people. I grew 273 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: up Catholic and then went to Baptist Church with my 274 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: dad and then ended up in Koji Church. By the 275 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: time I was sixteen, I know that my bishop is 276 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: not going to love this mini pod. 277 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 6: Sorry. 278 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: I just think that we should have conversations about art skill. Uh, 279 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: the the You have to be able to do a 280 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: chin up to be a stripper, to climb up. 281 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 6: I can't do a chin up, can't twork. 282 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: All of that takes athletic ability that. 283 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 6: Many of us don't have. 284 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: And so I think that there is some hate going 285 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: on about that too. People are mad they can't do 286 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: what they do. But also I understand people not wanting 287 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: to see people so naked everywhere. I have to tell 288 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: you all, I'm a germophobe. I did go to the 289 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: strip club. One of my good friends had a birthday, 290 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: so we went for her birthday. She did three. I 291 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: can only do one and a half. I was done 292 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: after that second half. I was like, look, guys, lovey. 293 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: The chicken wings were great at Magic City, but I 294 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: think I'm done here. 295 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 6: And here's the thing. Germs. I just I can't do 296 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 6: the germs. I can't do the germs. 297 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: I can't do the germs, Like, don't shake any of 298 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: that around me. And I'm sure I'm not calling them germs, 299 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: but I'm calling all the people that had to like 300 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: touch them and like the butts that are on seats. 301 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 6: It's just. 302 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: I can't do the germs. I don't even want to 303 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: shake any respect. I don't even want to shake hands. 304 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: I want to fist, bump and hug these days because 305 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: y'all go to not y'all, but some people outside go 306 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: to the bathroom and don't wash their hands, and then 307 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: they're putting those hands on the sides and thighs of 308 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: these and the waste of these people, these human beings 309 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: that are sharing an art form. I don't want any 310 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to be anywhere near it. 311 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 5: I was so you weren't supposed touch I thought you 312 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 5: were supposed to. 313 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: Look, you can't touch the people, Okay, Well I don't know. 314 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: But are they sitting on laps? Because what about if 315 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: the pants aren't clean? Okay, and then they're going to 316 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: transfer those over to your laps. 317 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 4: Let me bring it home. Let me bring it home 318 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 4: real quick. 319 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: On the things I do think is that we should 320 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: not be and I'm not saying you are, but just 321 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: in general, we should not be in the business of 322 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: discounting people because we need all these people if we're 323 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: going to organize and when I made the joke about 324 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: social costs. 325 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 6: I'm talking. 326 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah know. 327 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that we need to make sure 328 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: that I said this on TV last year. I said 329 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 3: that Kamala Harris needed to organize from the churches to 330 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: Magic City, and I agree with that wholeheart. 331 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: Karie would like to be the organizer of the strippers 332 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: like he Win himself. He would like to connecting. He 333 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: would like to be the organizer. He will take you, guys, 334 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: just so you know, this is a former state wide candidate. 335 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 6: He will take a pay decrease if. 336 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: You will allow him to be pro bono organizer of 337 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: the strip club. 338 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: They have stories. Somebody sign I could listen to the. 339 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: Story across America states. 340 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: Like yeah, strategy, well he might have got some years, 341 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: but fifty strategies at all, Howard Dan everything. 342 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 5: Now yeah, yeah, Lexicon Lexington, Kentucky. 343 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 4: That's who we're going to start. We're gonna start. We're 344 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 4: gonna start at Luke Cortnet's home. Anyway, Welcome homey all. 345 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: This has been another mini pod with Natives Land, and 346 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: we're grateful that Garrison Hayes joined us on this auspicious 347 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: day where we were able to dig into uh something 348 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: that troubled us all, which is another attack and assault 349 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: on the arts. 350 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, can we not close the show out 351 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: really quick? Because I have a question for Garrison about this. Sorry, guys, Garrett, 352 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: one thing we did not say in the main show 353 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: or now. Garrison is a former preacher, former so I. 354 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 6: Want to know. I want to know. I know that's 355 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 6: what I'm saying. 356 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: I wanted because because I brought up church and then 357 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: I meant to say this, but I got distracted on 358 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: the germs because ad D. I'm sorry, but Garrison, do 359 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: what do you think about So there's this like this 360 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: church condemnation about this art form overall, not in every 361 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: single church. 362 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 6: How do you square like your. 363 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: Your Christianity, your belief system with this whole kind of 364 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: line of thinking and the judgment that is often attached 365 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: to these folks in this art form. 366 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 2: So I got I have jokes right like I can, 367 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: I can, I can play the game. 368 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 5: I will say. 369 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: I understand where church folks are coming from when it 370 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: when they say, like I, you know, I don't want 371 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 2: my kid or whatever exposed to this stuff. I think 372 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: it's a little bit of fake outrage. If I'm being 373 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: completely honest with you, I've never been to a strip club, 374 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: in part because I was raised like a real church boy, 375 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: and then I went off to seminary, and then I 376 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 2: was a pastor, and I just couldn't be caught in 377 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: one of those places, right like that just would not 378 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 2: be a good look. I never really had the desire 379 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 2: for similar reasons to you, Angela. I'm a little bit 380 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: of a term of folk. But what I will say 381 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: is that if we are being very, very honest, right like, 382 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: I think the folks who are going into the strip 383 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: clubs are far more honest than the porn addicts in 384 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: the pulpit. 385 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 5: Can we just say it? Can we just say it clearly? 386 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: And like folks, people at the very least are being 387 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: honest with themselves and putting out exactly who they are. 388 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: And I think that's important to say. The other side 389 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: of it that always concerns me. I have a friend 390 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: who was once in that life, in that world, and 391 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: there is a lot of assault. 392 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 5: There is a lot of like drugs. 393 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: And trafficking and things of that nature that take place 394 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: in you know, strip clubs across the country, gentlemen's clubs, 395 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, and I think it 396 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: needs to be said that that we need to protect people. 397 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: You know, if a person wants to be a stripper 398 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: or be an adult entertainer more broadly, they should be 399 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: able to do so. That is one of their rights 400 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: to do so, but it should be safe, and as 401 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: it stands today, it's not very safe for very many people. 402 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 3: So there's a whole nother show I want to do 403 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: on that thereon and I'm gonna I'm gonna bring you 404 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 3: back to probably talk about it on a mini pod 405 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 3: because I want to go talk to you about how 406 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 3: we do that and protect individuals and what public policy 407 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 3: we need to match that and maybe eliminate some of 408 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 3: the harm that is inherent to the injury to the 409 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: to the industries that we have and we've put under 410 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: the cover of darkness. But that's for another mini pod 411 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: down the road of a conversation for another day. 412 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 6: I'm glad i'd be lined. 413 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 4: You didn't know. That was great. Thank you for joining us. 414 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 3: Make sure you like, subscribe, download, find us whatever you 415 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: get your podcast. Garrison, thank you, brother, love you, Thank 416 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: you for your time. Angela, love you, Andrew. We miss 417 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 3: you brother, see you soon. And we out Welcome Home, y'all. 418 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 6: Welcome Home. 419 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: Native Lampard is a production of iHeart Radio and partnership 420 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: with Reizent Choice Media. 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