WEBVTT - Devil's Dissections & Criminal Pathology w/ Jefferson Mays 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.439 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.240 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.280 vicious felonies these episodes are based on. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:10.680 These are our stories. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:27.600 Done done. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:32.159 Yay, that's messed up an sv podcast. We're coming to 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.400 you here. My name is Lisa, I'm. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.559 Kara, and we are in the same state, but we're 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:39.920 in separate cities right now. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.920 This is our podcast about Law and Order SVU. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.760 We talk about true crime that the episodes are based on, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.840 and then we talked to an interesting talented actor from 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.160 the episode and today's no different. I'm very excited about 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:58.160 today's guest, but before that we got to chat it up. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:00:58.800 I know. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.800 But the episode is gonna be the first one we've 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:06.520 ever recorded in studio together. Yeah, but this intro won't 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.280 be I wonder how it will all sound if they 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:09.200 could tell the difference. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.959 I'm curious. Let us know if you. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:13.160 Know, if you can recognize the difference. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.120 It's because one right now we're at our I'm in 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.200 my garage and leasas in a hotel, and then in 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.559 a moment we're gonna be in a high class, state 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.240 of the art studio, so we might sound a little 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:22.720 bit different. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.960 My garage is great, but it's really not been. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.680 It's it's not a box within a box the way 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:28.640 that the studio is. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.679 But this Maria has a fridge that was so loud. 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:36.080 I unplugged it. I hope that's okay. You could just 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.760 unplug a fridge right for a little while. Yeah, I mean, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.399 stuff will start to melt. But I don't what's in there. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:41.520 There's like there's meat. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:42.120 In there now. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:46.360 No, No, there's not loose meat from the previous guest. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.680 Oh so last week I talked about my lift situation. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.240 You know, I had the driver that was like Holocaust 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.360 gays in your I mean, yeah, you're you're a Jew. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.320 You should hate gay people. I don't want my brother 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.240 to be trans YadA, YadA. I was like, I got 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.360 to get out of this car. Yesterday, I'm on one 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.280 of my flights. I get charged eighty dollars for violence 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:07.600 and damage to the car. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.480 Wait, what the fuck this bitch? So I am livid. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.880 I'm oh my god, and I am messaging and I 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.480 am messaging with Lyft and every time they're like, we 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.640 looked at the evidence and we stand by the charge. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:22.960 You're not. We're not taking it off. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.440 I go, but I know I didn't do anything, So 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.280 can you at least show me the evidence? Like what 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.760 is she saying I did? And I'm like, I took 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:31.200 a video of it. I talked about on the pod. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.280 I'm like, you, she is lying. I did nothing to 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.359 that car but get out after I asked to get 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.840 out at a red light? Like what could she have 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.440 possibly said? You know, remember that one guy spilled coffee 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.160 in his car. I ended up in a car wash 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.040 with him. Yeah, yeah, a lot, a couple locations and errands. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.440 Like I kept being like, I've been a customer for years. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.280 I've never had an issue. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.840 Like what are responsibility for my damage to the vehicles 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.240 in the past, and this is not what happened. Yeah. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.040 So it was like they just wouldn't. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.120 I couldn't talk to a person, they wouldn't send me 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:03.760 the evidence. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.120 I'm so mad for you right now. I'm so furious. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:07.520 I was about to delead it. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.880 I DM I DMed them and they apologized and took 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:13.320 it off. I think it's because I have a blue 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.040 check mark, but like if I didn't, I don't know. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:17.120 Yeah, because you have. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.560 A big following, like, honestly, that's fucked up, though, like 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.359 going around charging people for throwing up, charging people for 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.000 for this and that, Like she's oh no, I said, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.760 I have a podcast with many listeners, and I will 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:37.040 be updating the listeners on what happened that woman? 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:38.520 What a psycho? 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.280 I go, this woman's unwell, I go, are you telling 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.720 me you're standing behind a homophobic maniac? Like it's like 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.000 a weird choice as a company to just blindly believe 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.000 this driver. When I did report right away, I gave 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.920 her a one star review, it wasn't like it's clearly retaliation. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.480 But also I want to know what the proof is? 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:57.320 Is this an old photo? 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:57.600 Right? 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.720 Did someone did something else happen that day? 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:00.640 Like how did they like? 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.280 Was her car? Was her car nice when you got it in? 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:03.560 Like? 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.000 Or it was a Tesla? What did she say? You 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:08.920 did that fucking test? They won't tell me and they 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:09.560 won't email me. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.360 And now that I got the eighty dollars back, it's 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.280 kind of like, I guess that's it. Because I was 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:14.280 about to delete the full app. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:14.880 I was about to be like. 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.320 I don't need this in my life at all. But 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.560 you know, the Delta points. We gotta do it double 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.800 points for airport. But I was like, I was ready 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.880 to delete it, and then it said if I deleted 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.120 I wouldn't be able to get any credits or communication again. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.839 So I was like, just be patient. And then because 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.400 I DMed and explained everything again, I go, this is 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.440 my six or seventh time explaining everything. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.800 I'm like, I've been in the chat. I've been in 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:36.520 multiple things. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.599 I go, I can't believe after everything that you guys 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.039 took in, you decided to charge me eighty dollars. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.200 Like that's crazy. Oh my god, I go. 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.080 I felt so uncomfortable that I ended up walking home. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.039 She made me so upset. I'm like, what what do you? 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:54.800 But I want to know what proof she had? Like 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.559 I am so curious. I m DM still and be like, listen, 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.279 I'm glad I got the refund, but I want to 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.480 know what damning evidence she had that you guys were 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:03.920 right to stand behind her. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.720 Oh my god, Like these there need to be like 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:14.000 fucking back wellness checks for these fucking drivers sometimes, I think. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.360 But the thing is, we hear about people being assaulted, kidnapped, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:18.960 and these apps don't do anything. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:20.479 So like I don't know why. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.000 I would think they would be like so gung ho, 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.279 But I wouldn't think i'd be charged. Like I didn't 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.120 even ask for a refund. I paid for my ride. Yeah, 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:31.880 I was just like this lay. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.200 Yeah, you didn't even ask for a refund and you 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.200 got out halfway through. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:36.560 Do you have to give another ride? 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:37.440 No? 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.120 I walked home forty minutes. I didn't want to get 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:40.800 in another car. I was like really annoyed. I was 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:41.920 like upset. I was like fuming. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.000 You know when you're like fuming. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:43.640 Yeah. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.720 So I was already on Santa Monica, like on the street. 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:48.240 So I was like, whatever, it's a straight shot. I'll 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:49.119 just walk forty minutes. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:49.400 Whatever. 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.000 I'll look at the gaze that's fine. Wow, I'll look 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.920 at like cuties walking around. So whatever. I'm glad I 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.159 got the money back. But I was shocked. I couldn't 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.839 believe it. I mean, you can imagine the rage I had. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:02.600 I can. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.960 I can very well well imagine it. That's wild. Fuck yeah, 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.799 you know me. But I'm actually in a good mood. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:11.440 If any of you are wondering. 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.120 Taylor Swift, I just did her Miami like the start yesterday, 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.479 New reputation body suit huge. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.560 Huge, huge day. Okay, new bodysuit. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.640 Michelle Visage would not be a fan of Taylor's eras 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.040 too many bodysuits, No, but I think she. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.119 Would like this one because the snake like wraps around 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.960 all the way down to the boot and it's like 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:32.600 gold it. 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:34.680 It is cool, It is. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.400 Cool, exciting. Yes, someone I went to high school with 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.400 just posted that I think they were at it. But damn, 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.880 Taylor season is back on everybody. It's back brat, Summer 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.279 is over, Taylor Fall is back happening eras fall. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.440 But my Instagram just keeps showing me Sabrina Carpenter's tour 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.760 and I like her, but I'm like, please stop. I 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.880 don't need this anymore. I don't need her little towel 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.240 like I can't anymore. Wait, what's her little towel? She 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.520 has like a sparkly towel, you know, and then she 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.599 like opens it up and there's an outfit like she 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.560 has like a cute like fake towel, kitch. 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.440 A little reveal cute, cute, he's getting out of the 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:19.400 shower cute. I went to Bridger's birthday party. Another exactly 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.040 right person. I said no gifts the podcast. I went 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.680 to his birthday party last night. People were telling hilarious 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.520 rumors about celebrities that I was dying. Like. One guy 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.440 was like I heard, like I heard from this friend 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.200 of a friend that this girl was dating Robert de 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.680 Niro and this was twenty five years ago, like because 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.040 when I found out the eight when I found out 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:42.560 the story, I was like, wait what And then they 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.240 were like, okay, turns out he was fifty five and 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.000 he's like eighty one now, so this was twenty five 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.120 years ago at least, and he was dating some model. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.160 They go to some hotel, she goes to take your shower. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.360 When she comes out of the room, Robert de Niro 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:01.040 is giving himself a blowjob, is what is said. I 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:02.400 was laughing, So. 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.520 I don't think he's limber enough. I exactly. 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.080 And then my friend Mano is there and he goes, no, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.640 when you're old, you lose all your collagen, so you're 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.320 more flexible, Like well, there's no fucking way, because I 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.600 didn't know the time the timeline, so I was like, 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.040 he's like eighty what are you talking about? And then 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.480 it was like, oh, it's from when he was fifty five. 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.640 I'm like, now I believe it even less though, because 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.320 we're talking about fifty five Collagen. I don't buy it. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.200 I don't buy he can suck his own d I can't. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:28.600 I don't. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.040 I don't. I know someone that hasn't done that. And 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.600 there's really a weirder body shape. Yeah. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.880 Yeah, we were like Robert de Niro spine can't go 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.479 into a circle. Like it was just a funny conversation. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.280 What were the other ones? What were the other rumors? 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.360 Everybody was truly like cracking up, trying to like think 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:51.600 of the most ridiculous like rumor they've heard, Like another 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.080 one was this. 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.560 I mean, I think historically, I would say the the 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.400 wildest celebri rumor that is persevered for decades is Richard 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:02.520 gear putting gerbils up. 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:08.000 Yes, yes, number nothing touches that, And it's like so 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.760 pervasive that it's like there's got to be like I 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:11.960 don't know if he does it all the time. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.960 I think he definitely did it one time. It's like 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:15.199 just so in the. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.000 Culture, I just don't think it's a thing that happens. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:22.440 But maybe I'm being naive. It just seems dangerous. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.440 Yeah, maybe you put them in like a bag, but 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.880 they can gnaw through a bag. They can nibble through it. 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:29.360 I don't know. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.040 But also what would stop them from dying of lack 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.880 of I don't know. I just but now I know 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:39.319 why it's not a hamster. Why gerbils have tails? You 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:40.079 could pull them out? 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:47.120 Oh wow, didn't even think about that. Yeah, Like gerbils 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.720 are nature's tampon. That's true, they have a little string. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.760 Did you see the video of the two girls that 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.719 get swallowed by a big blue whale and then he 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.520 spit them out? What they were like in a canoe? 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.640 I mean maybe it's ai, I don't know, but. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:11.160 Pinocchio, that is nuts. Okay, wait, I'll tell you the 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.199 other one. Somebody said, And then if you guys think 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.760 it's inappropriate, we can cut it out. But because I 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.920 don't know if you should just like perpetuate rumors that 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.160 you hear at parties. Robert de Niro's never gonna hear it, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.320 so I don't care, but not that this person will. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.000 But okay, so somebody, this girl, this guy was saying, like, oh, 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.360 this girl that he knew, like met a guy on 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.080 an airplane when she was headed to a wedding, they 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.560 kind of kicked hit it off. They met up in 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.400 the city that they were both in, and they hooked up, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.800 and I guess at one point like her dirty laundry 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.040 was on the bed and they kind of like hooked 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.160 up on top of their dirty laundry or something like whatever. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.800 Then like later they both go back to their lives, 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.320 and like she sends him a hair of like dirty underwras, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.520 like a cute like nod to their night together, and 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.880 he calls her and is like, how could you do this? 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.640 Like I'm married, Like I can't believe you you would 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.720 do this and like send me this underwear or whatever. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:06.800 And then it turns out his wife is Malala. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.360 Oh my god, And. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.440 I go, you're cheating on Malala. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:13.560 Hasn't she been through enough? 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.880 And the guy goes, well, apparently they're open, and I'm like, 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.240 Malala is open? 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.679 Oh my god. I don't know. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.440 I mean, Milala's probably forward thinking, you know, yeah, but 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.199 I was dying. I don't know. I don't know if 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.000 this is appropriate to be perpetuating a rumor like this 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:32.160 about a plow, but. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.280 That's funny, activist. But I just hope Malala is open 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:37.440 and not getting cheated on. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.880 You're right, yeah, that would. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.360 Be, but that I honestly, men have no depths to 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.440 their say there's a prophetic behavior. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:45.719 Yeah. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:46.560 Property. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:55.839 I am watching a really crazy documentary right now. I'm 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.319 in the middle of it's called Anatomy of Lies. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.040 You're just gonna say, is an anatomy of lie? Yeah? 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.319 I have read the longest articles about that whole story. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.160 It is fucking crazy. Is it is crazy. I'm in 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:11.880 the middle of the third episode. I don't know how 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.359 many there are, but I think, like also with the 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.800 woman she married, like the drama there. I mean, I 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.560 kind of don't even want to get into it. I 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.840 think because I didn't know much. It's like, Okay, it's 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.000 a liar people lie, but it's a really well done 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.079 and it's interesting and engaging, and I have a lot 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.000 of work to do, and it's like it's just in 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:30.480 the background. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:31.360 I'm like, oh my god, I. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.440 Know, I know, it's so the story is so wild. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.600 And I remember hearing that it was going to become 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.520 a documentary and I was like, ooh, I gotta check 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.439 it out. And then I've been seeing it advertised to 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.679 me because I forget who it was, like vanity fair 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.000 or somebody did like one of those turned to page 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.439 twenty eight, like turn you know, like where it continues 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.959 on for pages in the end, like long article detailing 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.319 that whole saga. If you'd have no idea what we're 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.720 talking about, it's the Gray's Anatomy writer, Like I'll just 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.280 say that, like, there is a Gray's Anatomy writer who 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.320 got caught lying a lot. And that's like the gist. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.079 But there's a lot of twists and turns could be 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.480 I mean, could be at SVU truly if they yes. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.199 No, they didn't add it. There is there is, oh, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.240 there is. She marries a woman they meet at a 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:21.760 PTSD retreat like rehabitess, and that woman had a lot 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:26.199 of trauma. Yeah yeah, yeah, and this this other woman 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.280 added a lot to I mean, to prey on someone 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.360 like that is truly to lie to your coworkers one 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.880 thing to ruin kids life, I mean, it is. It's 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:40.640 just scary. Yeah, I guess it's scary. You don't know 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.040 what's uh, like what's up? And people get addicted. She 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.440 got addicted. She got addicted to the attention. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.120 And then she gets in You get in too deep. 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:49.800 You don't know how to get out of these lies. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:54.120 You can't un coil from them, you know. It's like wild. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.800 Yeah, and I love hearing about all the coworkers. The 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:01.800 thing that slipped my mind that I remembered I saw 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.440 an article about Michelle Vassage's open marriage, and I guess 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.880 I assumed it because all the jokes are about how 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.160 she's a whore and a slut and under a bridge 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:14.240 and like giving hand jobs. But I didn't marry for 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.400 thirty years, and so now it all makes sense. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.240 I've met the article. He's hot, they're both really hot. Yeah, 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.560 her husband, they're a hot couple, and their kids are beautiful. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.400 But I was confused why there was all these slut 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.920 jokes when she's been married for three decades. And then 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.880 this one article was like, Michelle Vissage says open marriage 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.240 brings them closer together. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.520 Oh interesting, I never heard that before. It makes sense. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.080 I mean it could be just a you know, a gossip, 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.160 yeah or whatever. Yeah, but it just makes sense how 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:52.040 she could be a married whore, you know, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.640 the joke's never made sense to me. Oh my god. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.800 My opener is this guy named Tony from Arizona. 0:14:58.840 --> 0:14:59.280 I love him. 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.680 He's open for me in Sacramento, Arizona. If you've seen me, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:07.000 you've seen him. But him and his boyfriend got their 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:11.920 white dog dyed purple and rainbow colored with vegetable dyes. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:17.680 Guess how much it costs? Oh my god, I don't know. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.400 Two thousand dollars? 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:25.240 No, all right, nine hundred Okay, well, I have no 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:26.800 idea how much any of that costs. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.600 But like I always assume dog grooming and stuff is 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.440 so expensive, but nine hundred dollars is crazy. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.840 But he yeah, he showed me the purple and rainbow 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.200 dog and it's really funny. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.360 Does the dog like it? I mean, can you tell 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.120 if the dog's like, hey, I used to be white 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.800 and now my fur is a different color. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.680 Do you think the dog cares? 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:47.800 I don't. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.840 I know they have feelings, but I don't know if 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.560 they have like a self realization. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.240 I don't know. Because they leap poop, they'll like lick peop. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.760 Yeah, so I don't know if he's like, I don't 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.520 want to be purple, and I don't even think they 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.000 see collor and it's vegetable die like that's what's important 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:05.240 to me. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, of course. I mean Nicole dies 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.720 her dog's like tail purple, but I don't know about 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:16.000 the whole body is is Wow, that's a real choice, funny. Well, 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.840 but yeah, I just liked seeing a purple and rainbow 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.800 dog because this dog is so it's like a Bejean freeze, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.680 you know, it's like a white fucking. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.880 Oh it's a little tiny guy. Oh, like a tiny 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:29.440 little guy. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.200 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, are how are you getting closer to 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.040 getting the family dog or you're still waiting till Rosie is? 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:36.880 What eight ten? 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:37.680 What are we doing? 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.960 Well, we told them seven years when she's twelve and 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:40.440 he's ten. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.800 But yeah, but we already decided that that's too long 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.520 because then she'll go to high college. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:45.840 She needs more time with the dog. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:50.520 Yeah. Yeah, so maybe five years when she's ten. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.160 it's gonna sneak up on us. You know, it's already 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:55.680 four and a half. I mean she's five and a 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.600 half now, so it's four and a half years. Yeah, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.200 I'm gonna be like, I get to the point where 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.960 I'm smooth sailing. The kids are getting themselves dressed in 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.720 the morning, they're sleeping to a normal But I think 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.360 and then I'm like gotta get up and fucking take 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.399 a dog for a walk and clean fleas out of 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:12.840 its face and whatever. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.800 No, I think you should rescue a dog that's a 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.520 few years old, that's got that's like got its shit together. 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.760 Yeah, that's down to play, knows how to go to 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:23.040 the back. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.639 You're not going to be training a puppy, you know, 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:27.959 a yard like a dog that gets it. 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.639 You can get a dog that gets it. Yeah. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.640 The other day, I was on Instagram, by the way, 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.280 and I saw this like sponsored video of Catherine Heigel. 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.000 I don't follow her, but I for some reason was 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:38.720 drawn into watching it. And it was like her talking 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.639 about dogs and like dogs get older and their body 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.760 changes and their need for food gets different, and I'm 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.560 like okay, And then suddenly there's just an image of 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.280 a cue tip cleaning out a dog's butthole, and I 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.640 was like, why is this on Instagram? Assaulting me out 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:57.159 of nowhere? It was so gross. I feel like like 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:58.440 jar on my phone. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:17:59.480 I feel like. 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.120 Jared is doing that on purpose, so you guys don't 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:02.520 get one. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.720 He's like feeding your feed. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.960 Yeah, total with things that would disgust you totally. 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.160 Oh my god, Oh. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:16.000 Wait, not that, you know, the Q tip butt whole story. 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.520 I can't keep on it, but shout out. 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:20.679 You know. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.600 Right now we're in the middle of our tour, but 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.040 Denver really showed out with the costume contest and we 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:30.199 all got out one particular person that made us a 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.159 Guess who an SVU Guess Who, and it was so 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:35.000 fun to play. 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:36.920 It's amazing. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.560 It's not like it's not like there's a picture of 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.639 Olivia taped to like a card that says Frank or whatever. 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.959 Like the cards are custom made. The cards like that 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.440 you choose are custom made, like like a box laminated 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.919 the box. It's really really awesome. I posted a photo 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.560 of it. I'll post another one when this episode comes out. 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.040 I posted it in our stories. But it's like, really 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.080 big shout out to the girl who came dressed as 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.360 Rawlins and gave us that, because that's a it's an heirloom. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:08.359 It's an heirloom item. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:13.440 And if you're still looking for your TEAMU Police Radio, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:14.919 I have it. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:15.600 I told you. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.040 Yeah, if you got home and you were like, oh, no, 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.560 where is it? You left it behind? Girl, you left 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.800 it behind and I snatched it. So thank you so much. 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.320 It's been in my purse. I've been taking it out 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.520 and wearing it like I love it. She'll be wearing 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:32.440 at the rest of the tour. 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:33.080 I'm sure. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.240 So you did a good deed by leaving it behind. 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.119 But yeah, we'd got multiple gifts in that way. But 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:44.080 the costumes were awesome, like Barbara Barbara, that was amazing. 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.520 Four people came in overhead bandages and parties of two 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:48.400 didn't know each other. 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:49.159 Now they're friends. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.879 They're friends, I mean, and all the way around the 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.320 head bandage so good. Somebody came as a mom, like 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.560 a mom, and then Juice, so they were Mother's juice 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.760 from Bully, which is like one of my favorite references. 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.280 There was people, two people, a few people dressed as 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.919 us and they had three D printed little microphones and 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:10.719 they they're hair and like we're wearing glasses. 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.720 They looked like us in the graphic from the podcast. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:14.200 It was great. It was great. 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.960 And then the sex Crimes tease. Everybody showed up and 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.600 showed out and we loved it. And I can't wait 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:21.280 to see what people do at the other places. A 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:22.960 couple I've gotten a couple of messages saying I can't 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:24.719 wait for you to see my costume. So I'm excited 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:25.720 what everyone's doing. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:27.800 And then in Denver, yeah, I was like twelve people 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.000 dressed up and it was awesome. And then in Denver 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:37.200 it was one woman, but Melinda Warner in Phoenix. 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.520 In Phoenix it was one one where did I say, 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.160 you said Denver, But yeah, in Phoenix it was one woman, 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:44.280 but she really showed up. 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.880 She was Melinda Warner and I loved her. She was great. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.600 All Right, we should we should stop because Casey's giving 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.919 us the twenty minutes and this is a double episode 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.800 so long, and we had the interview. 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:58.720 Yeah, so we gotta get going. We can't talk about. 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.960 Funny because I can't talk about a buttholes for one 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:01.600 minute longer. 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.200 Sorry everyone, But I'll. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.280 Meet people at the live show and they'll say, like, 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.800 I listen to you guys every day, and I believe 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.040 it because our episodes are so long. If you're just 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.320 if you're just driving to work and back and listening, 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.680 like it can last you a fucking while. So that 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.719 makes Yeah, you're getting a lot of we're the costco 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:20.640 of podcasts. 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:22.800 Keep it going. 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.399 Yeah, you might have to throw it away, but you 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.600 know it might not. But you can't buy a palette. 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:34.080 Oh we're fresh, We're fresh, We're fresh. And today's election day. 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.840 Hopefully all of you have voted, did vote. Hopefully it 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.640 is a safe election. Hopefully it goes the way of 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:49.600 justice and freedom and democracy, and hopefully there's not violent mobs. 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.560 I mean, I don't know, I'm fascism. We really need 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.760 a Harris when I mean, listen, Marishka just came out, 0:21:56.160 --> 0:22:00.000 uh for Harris. And I know there are some republic 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.560 people that listen to this podcast, and that's totally fine, 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:06.240 but we have to remember what they did with the 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.640 amount of justices they had on the Supreme Court, how 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.920 they struck down Row versus Wade, and how if he wins, 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.160 it is two more conservative judges are going to retire 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.920 and he's going to appoint them, and then five out 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:21.440 of nine Supreme Court justices will have been appointed by 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.119 a game show host. I'm just saying, we cannot have that. 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:27.439 You guys like imagine they he keeps saying he's not 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:28.359 going to do a federal ban. 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:29.760 I don't know why we would trust that. 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:34.400 So for the sake of women, women's reproductive rights, if 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.600 nothing else, please go cast your vote, and please cast 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.320 it for the the person that's not going to dismantle 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:41.040 women's healthcare. 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:45.000 I mean, you know, like Heraldo Rivera just came for Harris, 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:47.040 like like endorsed Harris. 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.800 Yeah, even the Looney Tunes are switching. 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.240 And so even if you're you know, a Republican who 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.919 sure you hate gay people and freedom, but maybe just 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.600 this one time, you can sacrifice those beliefs. 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:12.880 Yeah, all right, guys, let's get the episode started, all right, Guys, 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.560 today we are doing a double episode. We are doing 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:21.120 Devil's Dissections and Criminal Pathology, which are the first two 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:26.240 episodes of season seventeen. If you're watching on Hulu, they 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:28.600 jam him into one episode, so it's like watching a 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.560 little SVU mini movie. So this is a two part 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:35.199 Season seventeen premiere. Season sixteen, if you'll remember, ended with 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:41.000 Johnny Dee's dramatic courtroom shooting and then Benson officially adopting Noah. 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.360 And this season is starting out with a recap of 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.680 like the whole Gregory Yates saga, which we did cover 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.160 the episode Daydream Believer. It's episode eighty six of our 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:52.479 podcast if you want to go back and refresh your memory, 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:55.880 and we did interview Yates himself, the very talented Dallas Roberts. 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.440 We loved him and so, as you'll recall, he killed 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.040 a ton of women, buried them on a beach in 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:04.919 Long Island, and then he was convicted sent to prison. 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:10.760 And very interesting that in between the little recap and 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:14.040 the in the criminal justice system sexually based defenses, they 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:15.879 are throwing us the card about how this is a 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:17.800 fictional story, and I feel like that usually comes in 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.199 a different place, like they really want you to know. 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.239 And I think they're only doing this because it's like 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.159 one hundred percent based on her true crime that was 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:25.920 popping off at the time. But I'm going to leave 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:29.280 that for Lisa. It is undeniable in these episodes, of course, 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:35.400 So the cold open, it's just a woman's decomposing body 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:39.840 sloshing around in the ocean and literally the close captioning 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.040 said like water slashing, and then you just look and 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:45.280 it's like this very gross image of this woman's body 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:46.720 that clearly been in the water. 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:48.080 For a while. We're at the beach. 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:52.159 The cops are pulling out like this woman's torso and 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:55.160 then like delivering it to Rollins and Creasy Careese says, 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.760 what We're all thinking, was she dismembered before she went 0:24:57.800 --> 0:24:59.840 in the water or did she come apart in the water? 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.719 The age old question, you know. And DNA tech Susan 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.399 Chung is there. Friend of the pod Karen Senley, who 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.200 has done our podcast, who says that there are cutting marks. 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.280 But it seems like so it does seem like it's 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.600 the first option. Creesy like somebody caught her up before 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.200 she went into the water. Finn and Benson roll up. 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.160 They all think this is Yates. They must have missed 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:23.240 a body. Creasey says, oh, some skinny dipping teens cutting 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.119 class kicked up the body. And I'm like, what a 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.080 confidence to skip class and skinny dip middle of the day. 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:28.520 Bright. 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:31.520 Most of my skinny dipping has been at night. I 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:33.680 don't know about you. I'm not really like a daytime. 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:35.800 As a teen and a twenty something, I was not 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.720 daytime skinny dipping to be like, what's up, let's all 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.960 party daytime, freezing cold on the beach, and then you 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:43.919 find a dead body. That's a pretty hot day for 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:44.240 a teen. 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:44.800 I would say. 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:49.200 So this is weird because Yates buries his victims. 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:50.400 This one was floating in the water. 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.320 Benson's like yeah, and we covered the whole island, And 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.560 Creasey's like, I just don't believe it would be a coincidence, 0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:57.840 and Rollins is like, yeah, but the dude didn't have 0:25:57.880 --> 0:25:59.399 the time for all of this. Like there was the 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.640 victim from the sh Chicago Pete who he killed, comes 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.840 out here, buries her, goes back into the city, like, 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:08.120 assaults two flight attendants, murdering one of them that has 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.119 a meal with his wife. When does he have time 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:14.400 to murder this random woman? And also she's a redhead 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:18.200 and he liked Brunette's So Benson's like, well, there's two options. 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.760 Either we missed a body, or there's a Yates copycat 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:21.240 out there. 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.880 Dun du du du d d duh. 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:28.000 So okay, we're hopping into the show at the Morgue. 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:31.879 Doctor Carl Rudnik has on a full gamer headset, you know, 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.359 and he's recording his notes as he examines the body. 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:36.920 I just don't feel like we've ever I think we've 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.200 seen Melinda talk out loud to a tape recorder, but 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.000 I've never seen her with like a little headset on, 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:46.800 like you know, Rhythm Nation style. He can't definitively rule 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.200 out that this was Yates or say that it was Yates, 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.959 but some of his findings are consistent with the Yates MO, 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.680 including signs of sexual assault. Rollins is, like you can 0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:58.080 tell that after all the time in the water, Like 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.240 how could you even tell? And like, also, this boy 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.360 was dismembered, so that's not his MO at all. Rollins 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:05.919 is like really not feeling the Yates connection here, and 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.520 who knows, maybe that's because Yates is her best buddy. 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.800 Rudnick says the cuts were made by someone with surgical training, 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.800 and he found microscopic traces of green nail polish, which, 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:18.760 if you recall, is a Yates kink, Like he loved 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:22.560 this nail polish that was green. That was like I 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.960 think he put it on all of his victims. Careesi 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.200 is ribbing Rollins like you still think it's a coincidence, 0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:31.440 Like after the nail polish comment, so you know they've 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:38.159 got tension, the two of them at Greenhaven Correctional. Yates 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.320 is looking over the disgusting photos of this mutilated body 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:42.760 that's been in the water for god knows how long, 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:44.840 and he's barely able to contain his boner, Like he 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.480 is so excited and he's talking to his best buddy 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:51.400 Rollins and he's like, so you guys think I did this, 0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.359 And he's like, we had a saying in medical school. 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:57.920 If you hear hoof beats, think horses, not Zebras, which 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:03.000 is literally a saying before yes and the Zebra's episode exactly. 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.239 It's like what the Zebras episode is named after. So 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:08.399 someone at someone who writes for that show has a 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.399 boner for that turn of phrase. She brings up the 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.320 green nail polish and he basically comes in his pants 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.639 and just like he's like, uh, like he's so excited 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:19.520 about the green nail polish. And then he's like someone 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.760 is trying to frame me. And then he says gingers 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.399 are anathema to me, which is I don't know, the 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.320 sentence stuck out to me, like he does not like gingers. 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.680 They are not part of his profile. And he's like, babe, 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.720 you know I love brunettes and I would never dismember 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:35.840 a body. It's barbaric. I mean, this is a man 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:37.760 who bashed a flight attendant's head in you know what 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.320 I mean. And he's like, that's disgusting. I would not 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.520 cut up a body. He tells Rollins he needs a 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:45.840 couple of days to think about it and if she 0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.239 comes back, he might have some ideas for her. And 0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.120 then oh, now I was actually incorrect. Now it's the credits. 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.680 Now it's the done done. At the precinct, Rollins is 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:56.440 in a walk and talk with Live, trying to convince 0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:59.160 her that this does not fit the Aights profile, and 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.800 she thinks she's Clarice Starling over here. She's like, I'm 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:05.800 cultivating a source. Benson is pissed. She's like, you shouldn't 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.720 have gone there without clearing it with me, like and 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.240 going alone. Nobody wants Rawlins to go by herself to 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:14.000 go talk to Yates. Finn thinks Yates is a psycho 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.120 who is playing Rollins, and then Careese busts in and 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.040 is like, we got a DNA match and it's from 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.320 someone in the military. Brook Groves twenty eight rotc at 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:26.200 sunny Plattsburgh, So all right, Cariese's like, let's head to 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.520 her last known address and Rollins wants to go too, 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.800 but lives like stay here. So she's in the doghouse. Baby, 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:36.240 She's getting punished. Finn and Rollins at the vending machines 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.920 are now talking about tomorrow. She's like, cause he's just left. 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.000 Tomorrow's just pieced out. He's happy. He's doing pet in 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.760 Laguna Beach, and he's got a lead in the US 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.920 park Police. So this is obviously a stopover profession for 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:56.120 tomorrow before he becomes a DNA geneticist or whatever he 0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.160 ends up becoming in the more recent seasons, so that 0:29:59.200 --> 0:29:59.600 he might. 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:00.120 Do park play. 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.800 Then she's pissed. Benson's like, why is Benson grounding me? 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:05.520 This sucks? 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:07.560 Like I know how Yates thinks I can get inside 0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.920 his head, and he's like, your fing goes. You're good 0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.120 at getting inside these guys heads. Don't let them get 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:15.840 inside yours. You know, Ice cold facts, Ice cold fin facts. 0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.840 Also at Brooke Groves's house in Westchester, there's bikes and toys. 0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.360 Careesy is very sad that the victim might be a mom. 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.200 And the woman who answers the door is the redhead 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.560 from the DNA picture that they got, and so what 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.560 the fuck is going on? And her name I actually 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:32.760 know her. Her name is Cody Lindquist, and I know 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.280 her from UCB days. She is married to a guy 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.800 named Charlie Todd who started improv everywhere. They would do 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:40.560 that thing where like three hundred people would all go 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.719 to a best Buy dressed in a best Buy employee outfit, 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.920 like big sort of like very Robin Williams. 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:47.400 Crank type things. 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:52.880 Yesact exactly, very improv every like. I honestly think improv 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.480 Everywhere is the ones that did the stop thing at 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.320 Grant Central that is in that episode. I'm almost positive 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.720 they are. And so anyway, that's Cody Linquist. She's a 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.680 talented improviser. And she's like, what's up, I'm Broot Groves. 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:10.360 And then she sends her sons Bobby and Tommy write 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.160 that down on the list to our listener, who's keeping 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.400 a list of all the Tommy's in this show. Go 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.160 play iPad and then she gets out on the porch 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.760 she's like, did something happen to my husband? And they're like, no, 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.200 we're thinking there's like a mix up here. We've got 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.320 a body in the morgue. And then she immediately looks devastated, 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:30.240 and that's right, it's Rachel, her identical twin sister. Classic SVU. 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.720 For there to be somebody with the exact same DNA 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.440 she's a strange from her sister. Her husband said she 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:39.280 couldn't come around anymore. After the kids were born, the 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:41.440 sister kind of fell apart after their mom died, got 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.840 into drinking in drugs. She's like, I'd give her money sometimes, 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:48.480 but then you know, her husband said, you're not allowed 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:52.320 to talk to your sister who's obviously troubled. 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:53.160 Which I don't love. 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.680 And then a few months ago she called really high 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:57.960 and my sister, and I told her I was done 0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:00.720 enabling her, and then she wants to know, like what happened. 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:02.760 So now we're back at the Morgue with Rudnick, who, 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.560 by the way, is played by Jefferson Mays, a prolific 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.200 character director. I've seen him in tons of stuff aside 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.920 from this, like Perry Mason and I Am the Night. 0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.120 He's in a lot of stuff, and Rudnick is leading 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:15.720 Brooke to identify the body behind glass. I do not 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.240 see why this is necessary, Like if the DNA is 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.280 a match, close it out, Like why would you want 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:25.040 the image of your sister's like water logged, cut up 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.080 torso in your mind for the end of time. I 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:29.760 just don't think I would go in there for that idea. 0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.440 I'd be like, you have the like IDs I thought 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.200 were kind of like in the absence of DNA matches. 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.400 Well, I think some I mean I think some people 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.840 also want to see their person. 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:46.320 Yeah, yeah, but it's like pretty horrific. Anyway, the blinds 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.800 go up and she's like, that's Rachel and she falls 0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.920 into Rudnick's arms and she's sobbing. So now we're at 0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:55.960 Midtown Mission and an employee there says that, yeah, Rachel 0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.080 stayed here on and off. She was troubled, but I 0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.160 was so happy when her mother came for her. This 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:04.720 woman remembers, like every SVU classic character, she remembers three 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.280 months ago exactly who came for Rachel and what she 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.960 was wearing. So they're like, let's go check the cameras. 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:15.600 And this mission has gorgeous color, like four K footage 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:19.760 of the outside of their place, and we see footage 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:21.840 of Rachel leaving the mission with this older lady, but 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.040 you can't really see her face. The timecode is all 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:25.800 fucked up, and they're going to have to take it 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:27.000 to Taru for a little look. 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:27.440 See. 0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.960 Rollins tells Benson that Yates has called twice, and he 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.480 says he's got more info and insists on only talking 0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.920 to Rollins, and Benson's like, fine, you can go see 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.680 your psychopath boyfriend, but you cannot go by yourself. So 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.840 now Finn is there with her when they leave, Yates 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:43.960 in like. Yates doesn't love that, but he's willing to 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.960 talk to Rowins. So Yates tells him, you know, it's 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.240 a long shot, but the red hair. It kind of 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.200 reminded me of this incident that happened when I was 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.840 in medical school fifteen years ago, two thousand and two, 0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.800 when a senior resident asked me to come over and 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.120 get him stitches. He didn't want to go to the 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.480 hospital because he was embarrassed. He had bruising and cuts 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.560 and human bitemarks on his inner thigh and scrotum, and 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.399 he said it was a sex game gone wrong. 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.000 Ou la la. 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:15.799 So Yates asks if the partner had split like the 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.880 woman in the sex game, but he could tell that 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.400 she was still in the townhouse. He saw a clump 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:24.080 of red hair on the floor and he could smell her. 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.440 And this is gross, but he's like, not even like 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.720 the sex or like the smell of like a woman, 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.479 just he could smell her fear, and he says to him, 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.600 fear smells like ammonia. Ugh Rollins wants a name, and 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.719 he's like, I'm not giving you a name, but it 0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:43.399 was Convent Avenue in Harlem. So now he remembers again 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:47.120 this address perfectly from fifteen years earlier. They're at the townhouse. 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.640 Kriese said. The house was bought by the Changs four 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:52.640 years ago, renovated after it had fallen into disrepair by 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.839 the previous owner named Manon Favreau, who died in two 0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:57.839 thousand and seven, and she was a widow. Just as 0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.000 Carisie is telling Benson like, what are the chances were 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.680 gonna find anything in there, Rollins emerges and is like, 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:04.719 come look at what we found in here, which is 0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:08.479 I love when that happens. CSU techs found something using 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:13.279 GPR ground penetrating radar and the wall used to be 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.160 a chimney. There's a wall in there that used to 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.680 be a chimney and there's something in it. So they 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.120 cut into the damn wall and they find a suitcase 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.320 and when they open that baby up, what is inside 0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:26.680 but a blanket surrounding the mummified dead body of a woman. 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:32.640 Huge first act Benson is now downloading Barbara, they're getting DNA. 0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.600 Barba's like, Babe, it's Yates, Like come on, Like everybody 0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:38.960 keeps being like Awkham's Razor, it's Yates, it's Yates. Benson's like, 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.120 Rollins says, he swears he didn't do it, and Barba's like, 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.720 I can't believe this shit, Like wow, we're like taking 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:48.279 a serial killer's word for it. So now we're at 0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:51.759 the morgue with Rudnik and the body was cut up 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:55.000 into pieces bio medical professional, just like Rachel's body was. 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.080 And Rollins does look like she's about to throw up, 0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.239 and Benson and Barbara roll In and want the four 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.560 to one one from Redd. This woman was a white 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:05.200 female twenty five. He believes cause of death is strangulation 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.320 and that the smoke from the chimney and the heat 0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:09.240 mummified the body. 0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:11.800 Interesting who knew? Who knew? 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.920 He's found no DNA of the killer, and he's basically 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.080 telling them he thinks this is a Yates job without 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.640 saying it, like he keeps like sort of heavily hinting 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.000 at it. And because he's like this high up emmy, 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.040 They're all like you hear what he's saying. He's saying 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.440 it's Yates. Rollins is walking and talking with Benson and 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:32.759 Barba and is like, guys, he's appealing his conviction. Why 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.239 would he tip us off to another body? Like he's sick, 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.880 He's not an idiot. So now Benson and Rollins go 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:39.640 talk to Yates and he's like, I know who the 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:41.120 girl is and who killed her. 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.000 And it's like, ask not what your psychopath. 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:45.520 Tererial killer can do for you, but what you can 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.600 do for your psycho pat serial killer. He wants a deal, 0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:49.400 you know, he was like, what are you gonna do 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.320 for me? So they bring it to Barbara. Yeates wants 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:54.200 to fuck. This is what he wants. He wants a 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.680 conjugal visit with his fiance Susie Frame and we met 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.839 her in the past the Daydream Believer episode. Well, and 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.040 Barbara is pissed, like this is going to look so 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.520 bad if it gets out, like letting a psycho trade 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:11.640 like tips for Tits basically, and Barbara caves and it's like, fuck, 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:13.560 I love it Nips for Tits program. 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:14.160 Yeah. 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.799 Barba's like, fine, let him fuck, but you better be 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.960 right about this Rollins. So they're letting a lot of 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.719 this ride on Rollins, this intuition and her you know, 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:24.880 sudden ability to just really get in the minds of 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.120 serial killers. Benson and Rollins are outside of a trailer 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.960 listening to the sound of Yates and his fiance boning. 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.440 It's nasty. Benson's like, are we good? And then like 0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:36.600 a uniformed officer goes in to like break it up. 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.160 Susie comes out, followed by Yates, who's just in his 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.600 fucking boxers and a button down, like he doesn't not 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.319 put pants on. They need to question Susie and she's like, 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.400 I didn't know about this, and he's like, it's okay, baby, 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.319 just go like answer their questions. He asks Benson and 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.000 Rollins to come into his nasty sex trailer because they'll 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.360 have privacy in there so that he can deliver on 0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:59.360 his part of the deal. Meanwhile, Susie is like, well, 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:01.520 now that you found these other bodies, you better release 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:05.920 Greg immediately, like because you know clearly this other person 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.439 did all of the crimes that he's accused of as well. 0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:12.600 She thinks he's innocent and framed. I mean, this woman 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:15.879 is the mayor of De Lulu Town. She tells them 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.400 that the girl in the wall is named Lena Grunwald 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:20.600 and that they were all friends. She thought Lena went 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:22.919 home to Switzerland, but it looks like she never left 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.440 the States. Back in the sex trailer, Yates is also 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.759 talking about Lena and her fiance. She says his name 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:33.760 was Carl. He was a strange man, delicate and pale, 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:38.600 kept to himself. His last name is Rutnick, Doctor Carl Rutnick. 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:40.759 It's like, I know we all know this, but I 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:42.680 remember when this first happened. I was when I first 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.680 watched this episode. I was like, what the fuck like, 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:52.320 cause it's like, besides Stucky, is there another time where 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:57.319 like oh, and I guess Stucky. Josh peis like, there 0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.600 are other times where it's somebody with visum. All the 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:02.160 judges or whatever. 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:06.600 D FBI, because remember their offices have been bugged, yeah, exploded. 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:10.239 So I feel like the FBI people have yeah with them. 0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:13.680 Yeah yeah yeah, because Marsha gay Harden. You know, Star, 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.319 that's true, Star was guilty of a crow. I'm not 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:18.320 inside inside, but pretty inside. 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.640 But also the people that do the forensics, because that's 0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:23.960 so I guess whatever, it's just as easy to plant 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.719 for forensics, as it is to analyze forensics. So it's 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.640 bad no matter who is framing people up. But you 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.680 like to we can trust Melinda, you know. So Benson's like, 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.160 all right, shut it down. She walks out of the 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.919 sex trailer. Rolin is like, Rowlands is like, fuck you, dude. 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.600 I went out on a limb for you. I let 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.799 you get some ass. I now you're playing games and 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.160 you're going so far upstate you're not even gonna believe 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.479 it. It's just like, what what did I say? Like he's 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.640 truly he's gagged. He doesn't know what's going on. Rollins 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:55.120 is like doctor Carl Rudnick, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner in Manhattan, 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.480 is a serial killer, and he's like, wait, Carl became 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:01.520 an emmy, Like do you think he knows or this 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:05.799 is an act? He seemed really surprised and excited, but 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.279 I don't know. I yeah, because like it's like if 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.320 he knew, he could have brought that up at his trial. 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.920 Like the emmy that you've let examine my case is 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:20.440 exactly someone I know and hasn't recused himself. So they've met. Well, 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:22.759 that's true. He might not even know that he worked 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.759 on his cases. No, unless he saw the case and 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:28.600 then he testified, but then this wouldn't have been Yeah, 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:32.000 you're right, Maybe I don't think he knew because I 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.279 don't think they keep in touch, right because we see 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.879 them in you know later, and it's not like they're 0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:39.400 they love each other right right, right, right right? Okay, 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:43.000 like competitive people. Yeah, I agree, I agree he didn't know. 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:46.160 He didn't know. And he's like, that makes so much sense. 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:49.440 He never liked people, but he loved cutting. That's not 0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:51.080 a great description of something. 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.120 Yeah, but I like when people go to med school 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:54.640 and then realize they don't have any bedside Matt, like, 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:56.799 they shouldn't be a doctor, yeah, with patients and they 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:58.040 should do research or whatever. 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:02.520 Like that's totally totally And he's like, wait, did he 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.080 work on any of the bodies of the women you 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:07.520 found on the beach aka his victims? That could have 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.960 triggered him, That would have turned him on and made 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.480 him go want to go do a murder for himself. 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.560 So did Rudnick do the Pelham bagrel optopsy two? Have 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:18.480 them check again? I bet he cut her up while 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:22.960 she was still alive. Oh horrible. Barbara is furious now 0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.680 top of back three of this episode, he is like, 0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:29.279 this guy worked your asses. Rollins apologizes, She's like, I 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:33.520 got played. But Carisi said there was Alena Grunwald who 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:36.240 never graduated from Columbia and just vanished in two thousand 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.239 and two. So we got to rule this out so 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:42.640 that Yeates doesn't win his appeal and everyone's Cariese points 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:44.799 that out and everyone's like, yeah, Carise's actually right, like 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.680 we have to run down this lead. You know, how 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.600 well do you guys know Rudnick and Benson's like, I 0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:50.920 don't know. 0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:52.200 He got here right before you did. 0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:56.480 He came out of Miami Dade, Dexter, everyone and everyone 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.360 that works in forensics in Miami is a serial killer. 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.000 Rudnick never mentioned that he went to school with Yates, 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:06.319 and he should have recused himself on the case, like, 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.239 go check if he has a connect to the townhouse 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.160 or to Lena at Susie Frain's house. She is very 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.600 much proving that there is a connect, showing them delightful 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:20.560 little New Year's pictures of Yates, Lena, Rudnick, and Susie 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.600 all like cheersing on a New Year's in two thousand 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.120 and one in Montreal. She said they went on European 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:30.120 vacations together a bunch of times, and she really liked Lena. 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:31.440 She was worldly and spoke. 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.400 Other languages, she was fun to, a fun travel buddy, 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.520 and that her relationship with Carl was drunk and rowdy. 0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:40.160 Lena told her if anything ever happened to her, it 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.920 was Carl. I mean, who knows what Susie says. She's 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:47.600 also thinks fucking Yates is innocent. So when Susie didn't 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:49.759 hear anything from Lena, she was going to go to 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:51.680 the police. But then she got a note from Lena 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:55.520 with a photo of herself in her village of Grindwald, 0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:58.279 and it said sorry, had to get away, And She's like, 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.000 I might have the note somewhere. This woman like a 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.239 memento hoarder, which I will say, I also have pretty 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.400 much every note or letter anyone's ever sent to me, 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:07.920 so I'd probably be able to find it if you 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:11.239 gave me a few days. At the precinct, Rollins is 0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:14.160 still working the case. She finds the cable bill from 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:16.399 the townhouse where Lena was found and guess whose name 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:20.359 is on it? Karl rudnick manon Fevreau, the widow who 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.799 died and owned that townhouse, Karl Rudnick's great aunt. Now 0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:27.719 that's a pretty huge coincidence. So Rudnick also didn't disclose 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.200 that the body he just autopsied was from his aunt's 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:34.239 house where he lived when it got plastered into the wall, 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.239 Like he was a resident at the time in two 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.120 thousand and two, So he could have autopsied his own 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:44.239 fiance thirteen years after killing her. Oh my Godcha, quite 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.120 a twist. They got to bring in the big guns. 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.520 They got to bring in Melinda to redo all of 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.840 these autopsies. So now Warner is in the morgue listening 0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:56.120 to the notes and find something immediately that is like incorrect. 0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:58.000 She's like, well, the time of death is way off. 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.440 Like if the body went into the water in April, 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.480 the fish would have nibbled at it to a certain degree, 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.200 so it must have gone in in May. And then 0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:09.560 Warner is pretty shocked. She's like, Rudnick is meticulous. He's 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:11.799 one of the top Emmys in the country. He works 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.920 six days a week, never takes overtime. We all talk 0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:16.560 about how he has family money, and I was like, 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:19.560 it's nice to know that in other professions. They're always 0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:21.319 trying to figure out how people have their money, because 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:23.520 I am. I'm always trying to be like, how can 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:24.560 you afford your life? You know. 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:26.480 Benson is trying to make. 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:32.879 Excuses like maybe he's just overworked, and Warner is like, well, 0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:35.680 his notes also fail to mention that all of the 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:40.920 dismemberment took place anti mortem, meaning the victim was alive 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:41.680 when they. 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:42.480 Were cut up. 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:47.839 Horrible, horrible, It's like so awful. Melinda wants to know 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.640 what's up, and they're like, we can't tell you, babe, 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.160 active investigation. And then Finn, a real one, tells Melinda 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:55.880 just watch your back with Rudnick. 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:57.520 So good. 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.480 Someone told her like, don't be alone in here with 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.920 him if he's off duty yet or whatever, Like they 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.080 haven't take him into custody for questioning at least. I 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.759 just can't believe he's just like on the loose right now. 0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:11.440 But Rollins is showing Barbara some Swiss dentistry that confirms 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.359 that the body in the wall is Lena. So they 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.640 have TSA records of Lena returning to Switzerland, but never 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.560 of her coming back to the US. So Cariese's like, 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:22.960 what about this. What about if Rudnick went to Europe 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:26.640 with Lena's passport and came back with his own passport. Damn, 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:30.480 And Barba goes, here's suggesting he was able to pass 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.600 as a woman post nine to eleven, because it would 0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:36.600 have been two, you know, right after nine to eleven. 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.920 So also Rachel was seen leaving the mission with an 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:45.000 older woman. They're checking facial recognition on that video. Live 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.600 is checking with one PP about bringing him in for questioning, 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:49.680 and Barba's like, call her off. We can ask for 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.080 forgiveness later. Right now, I'll just find a way to 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.239 get him to my office. And Rollins is like, how 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:57.320 about a warrant? And she is like horny for this warrant. 0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:00.040 She's like knives dresses, who knows what we'll find? And 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.680 Barbara like gives her a nod, like go get it. 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.000 And so Barbara brings Rudnick in and reminds him that 0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.760 the room is being recorded and that Yates is appealing 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:13.319 his conviction, so this conversation could be discoverable. Rudnick al says, oh, 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:18.040 I also record everything, so interesting flag for follow up, 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:21.040 As my friend Lizzie Cooperman would say, Benson arrives and 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.440 shows Rudnick the autopsy file on what he called the 0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.520 Yates victim, Like, so he's already he's planting it everywhere. Oh, 0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:29.319 you mean that Yeates victim. It's like, no one has 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.160 proved it's a Yates victim yet, but he's saying that. 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:35.120 She points out the address and he's like, wow, how bizarre. 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:38.360 I never noticed. It's my great aunt's house where I 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:43.240 lived for several years. Did not clock that. Meanwhile, Cariese 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.120 and Finn are at Rudnick's home and they find autopsy 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:49.759 photos next to his bed ill. Then they show him 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:52.840 a photo of Lena and he's like, yep, that's my 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:56.279 old flame. And then they tell him, well, we think 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:58.760 the body that we found in your aunt's house is Lena, 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.520 And again, how are we not arresting this man? Like, 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:03.480 I just I don't understand why this is not enough 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:06.600 to arrest him. And he says, the last time I 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:08.080 saw her she was at the airport and heading back 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.120 to Switzerland. She must have come back to New York 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:13.359 and then fallen in with Yates and Barbara's like, and 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:15.920 then took her to your aunt's house and killed her 0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:16.839 and entombed. 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:18.320 Her in the wall and you didn't know about it. 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.960 That's that's a walk, buddy, And Rudnick's like, yep, makes 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.680 perfect sense. He also doesn't think it's weird that he 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.960 never disclosed that he knew Rudnick Yates in med school, 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.640 Like he's not. He doesn't think that's like a weird thing. 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:33.600 He's trying to pin this all on Yates and he 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:36.880 realizes that they suspect him, and he's like, oh, heavens no, 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:38.759 you don't think I have something to do with this. 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:41.640 And at the same time, the gang is at his 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:45.439 apartment and they discover his extensive worn wardrobe of fem 0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:49.040 leaning clothes and wigs, and Rodnick is like, I better 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:53.160 lawyer up. So that ends that. Now Benson and Barbara 0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.640 are freaking out that if this guy is guilty, it 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.799 taints every case he's been a part of, which is 0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:03.560 fucked up. I remember in this staircase, the blood spatter 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.680 guy that they had like was totally wrong and they 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.239 had to go back and like examine like every one 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:13.400 of his cases again. So well, yeah, and that's happened. 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:17.320 There was the documentary of like the medical examiner or 0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.240 the testing people getting addicted to drugs. 0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.400 Yeah, and then all of her stuff had to be rechecked. 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.840 Yeah. So that really fucks a lot of cases and 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:27.759 could let a lot of like very you know, could 0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:30.239 let a lot of dangerous people go free. And then 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:33.239 up walks Rita Calhoun, you know, Carl Rodneck's lawyer, the 0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:36.520 amazing Elizabeth Marvel, who say this, Yeah, this guy is 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.080 beyond for it. We know this guy's got the cash. Okay, 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.920 She's like, Carl is leaving and he's done talking to you. 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.360 So that Benson gets a text with a picture of 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.560 the closet of women's clothing and shows it to Barbara 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.440 and he goes, no, actually he's not going anywhere. And 0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:53.040 I'm like, that's the smoking gun that's gonna keep running concustody. 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:54.279 Like that's it. 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.160 Never mind, have you seen this closet of dresses? Like 0:48:57.480 --> 0:48:59.560 how about it was his girlfriend? He was living at 0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:01.520 the house talking to the murder. There's so many way 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.719 reasons to suspect him. But they're like the clothing, that's 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.439 what does it for us. Anyway, they all walk in 0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:11.080 and Benson arrests Rudnick with cuffs. It's the whole thing. 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:14.320 They take them away in court, Rita is requesting roar, 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:16.920 but Barbara is ready for that shit. Rudnick is accused 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:20.560 of horrible crimes, covering shit up plus being a rich 0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:22.960 bitch so he can flee whenever, and they believe he's 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:26.960 traveled internationally with a victim's passport. So the judge is like, agree, 0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:29.640 I'm surrender. He needs to surrender his passport and bail 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:33.160 is two million dollars. That's a high bail. In the 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:36.280 next scene, Finn tells us up top that Rudnick posted 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:40.160 that bail like no problem immediately. The Rodneck stories all 0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:43.360 over the news. There's daily News and like the New 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.480 York Post, like all of these like things have like 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.440 you know, I thought I wrote it down somewhere like 0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:53.919 bad bad doctor or whatever, like murdering doc or something, 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:57.600 murdering medic, something like that, murdering Emmy. Benson is sending 0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.000 Noah off with you know, full time nanny Luis. 0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:02.040 She works around the clock. 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:05.279 The facial recognition of the Lena Tsa photo isn't enough. 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:07.880 They need that photo that she allegedly sent to Susie, 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.120 but no one can reach Susie right now. And when 0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.879 they talk to Yates, he was concerned because she missed 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:14.839 a phone date with him, and she would never miss 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.719 a phone day with Yates. So they talked the night 0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:19.799 before and she said she found the photo and it 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:22.960 looked like Rudnick in drag and she'd never noticed that 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.200 it wasn't her beautiful friend who was a twenty five 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.319 year old woman, it was instead a man in his forties. So, 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:31.360 uh oh, is Rodnick still in custody? No, he made bail, 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:34.960 so this is bad news. Cut to Susie's house. It 0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:39.400 is a wreck. Everything is tossed, blood is splattered and 0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:42.840 smeared everywhere, and a uni is like, hey, sarge, we 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.440 got freshly cut body parts coming in with the tide. 0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:48.839 So this is all happening very fast. Now they're back 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:51.920 at the beach. They're putting the pieces together of the body. 0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:54.320 There's a leg and arm. Then they find her head 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.439 and they're like, okay, it's Susie. Here's her head, and 0:50:57.800 --> 0:50:59.880 poor Yates is fiance. She is like lying on the 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:04.440 beach like a jigsaw puzzle person. And at Rodneck's house 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:07.000 they're about to drill the door open when Rita arrives 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:08.880 and she's like, you don't have a warrant and Benson 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:13.160 is like trying to use yesterday's warren, which is kind 0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.400 of funny because Benson's usually so by the book and 0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:18.040 she's like, well, we had one yesterday and Rita's like yeah, 0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:20.840 but like, no, you can't use that. Warrants aren't like 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:23.640 you know, they don't cross over to other days, and 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.160 they're like, Rita, babe, this guy killed someone. And Benson's 0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:28.880 going back and forth arguing with her, like while the 0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:31.040 camera flips back and forth to the beach where Rollins 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.359 is just like staring at Susie's puzzle piece body and 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:37.000 Rodneck's car is missing. He's not answering his phone, and 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.799 Rita's like, get a warrant, and this guy's in the 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.879 wind back at the Susie scene, Rollins has to run 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:46.560 and puke, So that's interesting. She's been looking squeamish the 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:49.600 whole time, and normally she's fine with that kind of stuff. 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:53.279 So Barba is furious. He's like, this guy gets out 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.640 on bail and now a prosecution witness is washing up 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.320 in the tide, like where. 0:51:57.080 --> 0:51:58.680 The fuck is this guy? He's tweaking out. 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:01.239 Then he gets a call on his phone and he goes, yes, 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:03.719 I'll hold for the governor and it's like, wow, a 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.960 lot of stress. I can't imagine, you know, the governor's 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:09.719 calling you to basically shit on your your police work 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:11.080 and your department's police work. 0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:12.280 So greasy. 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.600 Benson and Rollins are now talking about the photo. It's 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.480 nowhere at Susie's house. So maybe she called Roudnick to 0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:21.319 tell him she had it to blackmail him, and she 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:23.400 wouldn't have thought that up on her own. Like, we 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.600 got to talk to Yates, and Rollins wants to go alone, 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:28.720 but Benson's like, no, not happening. So at green Haven, 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:31.000 the prison, Benson and Rollins are now talking to Yates. 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:33.759 He wants to see the body. He wants to see 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.760 Susie's body like he's sick as hell, and he wants 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:40.239 the Emmy to also check Susie's hCG levels. He wants 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:43.600 to know if she was pregnant, he said, I think 0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:48.480 like basically they had sex in the Daydream Believer episode, 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:51.560 like that was you know earlier, a few months earlier 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:53.719 in the timeline of the show, and now he wants 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:55.319 to know if she's pregnant because when they had their 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:59.000 conjugal recently, she agreed to take a pregnancy test. He 0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:01.239 was maybe going to be a father, and Rudnick took 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:03.960 that from me and it fades to black on Yeates 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:07.800 is like a psycho face, and I think this feels 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:10.719 like the beginning of the next episode. I think it is, 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:13.759 but I can't be sure. Benson is in a new 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:15.960 outfit and blowout, so that's why I think, Okay, it's 0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:17.759 a new day, it's a new down, it's a new episode. 0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:19.919 She walks into the precinct and they're on the hunt 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.440 for Rudnick. They're searching his credit cards, you know, checking 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:26.759 planes and everything nothing. Rudnick has been wiring money to 0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:28.880 four different people and one of them named One of 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:32.360 them is named Terry Fish, and Rollins finds a Teresa 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:36.440 Fish in his caseload and on the DMV site, they 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:39.200 pull up Teresa Fish and it's fucking Rudnick in a 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:43.839 long blonde wig on the license photo. Which you gotta 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:46.040 love this guy's commitment to the bit. He's really like 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:52.560 everything's planned out. He's got multiple personalities, multiple bank accounts. Yeah, 0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:54.400 I would love to see you and him send some 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:56.279 Google callin loving each other. 0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:57.960 I'm loving the logistics. 0:53:58.080 --> 0:54:00.799 It's like seems like a really fun like, okay, well 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:02.560 today Teresa's got to be at this apartment. 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:07.000 Well you know Jared, uh, you know, not your husband, 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:11.480 but we've become closer throughout recent time, and just last 0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:13.799 week he looked at me, he goes, so you get 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:20.440 really riled and stressed out logistics, Like, yes, that is me. 0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:25.080 It's like funny to see people learn your inner workings. 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.000 But yeah, we were just going and he was being 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:30.080 late and I was so bro I'm like, I'm just leaving, 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:31.520 I'll meet you there, like I can't do. 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:34.800 And he was like, you're usually just so chill about 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:36.399 things and not care and like. 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:37.799 Go half your things. 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:41.160 But he just because in the car I was being 0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:45.480 crazy too, and he goes, wow, love that tone you've chosen, 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:51.040 and so yeah, he learned. 0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:54.080 He learned I love love that tone you've chosen. That's 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.480 really funny. Oh my god. So like a plan changed 0:54:57.560 --> 0:54:59.560 really quickly, and I was in the car be like, oh, 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:01.759 so she's invite ourselves and then change the restaurant and 0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:03.480 then I go, I'm actually fine, sorry about that, and 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:08.200 it's fine. He's just starting to see the cracks of 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:13.160 my personality, but he's sticking with me. It's worth it. 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:15.560 It's worth sticking through. Wait, I tell you this, you're 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:16.040 gonna love this. 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.440 So or maybe I didn't tell you, but I did 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:20.360 his podcast and he's like, oh, tell me how to 0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:21.280 say sorry? 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:22.680 What in Russian? 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:22.960 Ah? 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:24.520 So I'm like teaching him how to say it? And 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:26.080 then I go, why do you want me to teach 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:27.960 you to say that? He goes, it's the name of 0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:28.680 the podcast. 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:35.520 I knew that I did because I remember, like when 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:37.319 I saw it, I was like, that's perfect for him 0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:39.680 because that sound it's like sorry what Like that sounds 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:44.360 like something Jared would say. I know, But why do 0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:46.680 you want me to teach you how to say that? 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.640 That's so funny? Oh my god, No, I don't. Can 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:51.480 you say that's messed up in Russian? Or does that 0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:54.640 not really translate because it's like so colloquial. Yeah, I'll 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:58.239 think about it, and but that just means that ain't right. 0:55:58.400 --> 0:55:58.600 Yeah. 0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:03.319 I like that that shit ain't right. Okay, maybe that's 0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:05.480 new merch is that's messed up in Russian? And I 0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:08.200 don't know cyrillic letters. Would you guys wear a sweatshirt? 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:14.360 Let's do it cyrillic? Is it that the letters in Russian? Sure? I, oh, 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.719 maybe I'm wrong. Somebody tell me Casey Google. I don't 0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:23.280 want to get canceled. So anyway, Rudnick's got a fucking 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:27.480 lot of personalities bouncing around here. So we they're like, 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:30.520 get to that apartment of Teresa Fish. Maybe Rudnick's hiding there. 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:34.239 Carees checks with Rowlins if she's okay, because he's like, 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.799 you're always like ten steps ahead of me and you're 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:39.560 pukin and what's going on? And She's like, I had 0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:41.520 a bad bagel, And I'm like, is that a thing? 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:43.799 Like a bad bagel? I had a bad I mean 0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:45.200 it's like I had a bad piece of fish, Like 0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:48.680 I wouldn't say, well, maybe there was like salmon, yeah, 0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:50.640 yeah yeah, or the cream cheese was off. 0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:51.880 Yeah. 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:55.080 And she's like I'm fine, and so yeah, she's classic 0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:57.600 blowing Careesy or anyone that's concerned with her off. 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.560 You really just said blow without the off for a while. 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:08.520 Oh yeah, you said she's really blowing creasy off. Didn't 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.800 even realize wishful thinking for greasy am I right, uh, 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.879 But this landlord at this apartment building is. 0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.280 Like classic New York neighbor. She's like, I haven't seen 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:18.760 Terry around. I miss her. 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:21.040 She's a perfect tenant, you know. She's given them all 0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:23.360 the scoop and they're like, oh, have you talked to 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:23.800 her lately? 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:25.080 And they're like, what is that? She goes, what is 0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:25.560 that a joke? 0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:30.000 Terry's mute and deaf, So she lets them in the floor. 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.000 There's a part of the floor in the apartment that's 0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:36.320 been like newly laid with like linoleum tiles and people 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:40.320 don't fuck with yeah, yeah, and it just looks well. 0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:43.280 First of all, there's also another closet of wigs. And 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:46.640 then also Amanda peels up the tile like without like 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:49.040 any kind of tool. She just peels it up like 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:51.520 it's just been like laid there and not really like 0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:55.480 glued down. And there's the first piece she pulls up. 0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:57.920 She can see red strands of hair and cutting marks 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.680 on the original wood floor, so kind of looking like 0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:03.240 something really fucked up went down in that little apartment 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:06.800 and that old lady was not hearing it. Back at 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:09.480 the Morgue, Warner's helping them find more of ruck at 0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:09.800 the more. 0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:13.560 At the more, Warner's. 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:17.040 Helping them find more Rudnick Sketchiness, a fifty year old 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.680 on housewoman who died a few months back. Rudnick says 0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.160 there's no match for her fingerprints or DNA, but Warner 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:25.400 got a match and her name is Teresa Fish, so 0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:29.560 he obviously chose this woman's identity, said she was unidentified 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:32.520 so that he could send her to like what's that 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:34.640 field called. There's like a field where they send all 0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:36.400 the unidentified victims. 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:36.520 In New York. 0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:41.560 And Warner's like identity thief, rapist, murderer. The damage he's 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.400 done to the Emmy's office, she is really pissed. She's like, 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.560 not my office, Like this is my integrity, this is 0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:48.200 my profession. 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:49.760 She's mad, mad mad. 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:53.440 We also find out that Rudnick beat out Warner for 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:56.920 this job. Benson's like, you should reapply, and it's like, 0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:58.320 why don't guys just give it to her? Why don't 0:58:58.320 --> 0:58:59.840 you just not do another application? 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:04.200 Even how good is Rudnick that they wouldn't have picked Melinda, 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:05.800 Like she's so good at her job, and. 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:08.200 I know I have to believe it's like tim Ortuoni 0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:10.480 was doing like a movie or like right or like. 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:15.479 To me, I was like, of course, it's racism. Of course, 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:17.880 Melinda's more qualified for the job, and they gave it 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:18.800 to a white rich man. 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:19.840 Well. 0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:21.800 Also, I guess if Warren ltt knew he was going 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:24.520 to do this kind of storyline, he wasn't going to 0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:26.160 have Melinda do that. 0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:27.520 That would honestly be the worst thing. 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:30.200 If any showrunner or anyone decides to come in and 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:31.960 make Melinda Warner evil. 0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:34.600 I would actually commit a great make her do anything wrong, 0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:36.880 make her like run a test without saying like, I mean, 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:39.680 she's got she's by the book. Well, she's done some 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:44.120 favorites for Benson. She ran her HIV test privately. Yeah yeah, 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:46.120 but then the brother DNA but then she was pissed 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:50.160 about it. Yeah yeah, don't put me in that possession. Yeah, 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:50.840 so I got the. 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:51.800 Secret AIDS test. 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:54.960 She has to rerun the Prince and the DNA on 0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:58.040 every case that called runn has touched. So she's not 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:00.560 happy and she does all that work. Well, why don't 1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:03.360 we just give her the fucking promotion? Huh. So Rollins 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:06.840 is at the Teresa Fish apartment now with CSU technician 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:09.919 Colin Bennett. He's the British. There's so many CSU techs 1:00:09.920 --> 1:00:13.840 in this episode, Colin Bennett's the British one who's been 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:17.760 in like four episodes. That's the character's name, The British one. Yeah, 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:19.800 he's I remember him being like, oh yes, a piece 1:00:19.840 --> 1:00:21.960 of rupe. Like he's just like he's like the only 1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:24.080 British one I think we've ever had. And he and 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:28.120 Rollins dig into some more linoleum and underneath dried blood. 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:30.080 So he did not clean up very well. He just 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:32.240 decided to lay littoleum instead of bleaching. 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:32.720 I don't know. 1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:36.080 But then Careese shows up to whisker off to beautiful Syracuse. 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:40.560 Rodnick just got picked up for shoplifting. When they get 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.880 there to the police apartment in Syracuse, they've let rutne 1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:44.120 It go. 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:47.400 They're like, he was crying that his mom was dying. 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:48.960 He said he had a flight to catch and he 1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:51.120 stole a box of coffee nips, Like we didn't, you know. 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:53.840 So they tracked down a bus that's headed for Buffalo, 1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:56.240 and they meet it when it arrives because I guess 1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:58.520 they figure that's like the only way out of Syracuse, 1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:00.640 and he's obviously trying to get to camp up even 1:01:00.640 --> 1:01:02.560 though he doesn't have a passport. And especially after nine 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:04.480 to eleven, you do need a passport to get into Canada. 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:08.760 But she spots Rudnick getting off the bus in drag 1:01:08.960 --> 1:01:12.560 pink floral pink cardigan, you know, and he's got a 1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:16.160 little bouncy, curly brunette wig on, So yet another one 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:19.040 of his personalities that he probably wires money to. At 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:22.000 Buffalo PD, the head guy there goes, so, you got 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:24.440 a cross dressing rapist murder in your emmy's office, you 1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:26.760 New York You guys down in New York City really 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:28.120 are progressive, which I. 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:29.400 Thought was really funny. 1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:32.360 Like they didn't hire him because they knew he was 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:35.720 a cross dressing murderer. When they found Rudnick, he had 1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:39.360 sixty four thousand dollars of cash on him. Oh my god, 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:42.320 why is he shoplifting coffee nips? 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:43.480 Like that is wild? 1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:45.400 Like you're on the run, dog, Like why do you 1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:47.560 feel the need to get like the rush of shoplifting 1:01:48.080 --> 1:01:49.320 and be rich? 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:50.840 People don't think the rules apply to them. 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:54.240 Yeah, but Rudnick is in a holding cell and they 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.280 have made him remove his wig or he has done 1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:57.880 it by choice, but he is no longer wearing his 1:01:58.040 --> 1:01:58.880 well because I think would be. 1:01:58.920 --> 1:02:02.840 More respectful of this was someone that felt better in 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:03.680 women's clothes. 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:06.439 But yeah, I don't trus He's not doing it because 1:02:06.480 --> 1:02:07.120 of his identity. 1:02:07.200 --> 1:02:09.080 No, no, no, no, he's doing it, so we don't have 1:02:09.120 --> 1:02:11.440 to respect him. Yeah, exactly, he can say his wig 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:14.440 is bad. Exactly, he is wearing that way. He's not 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:19.880 on a journey of identity. In the Morgue, Warner has 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:23.640 finished the autopsy on Susie Frayin and she says the 1:02:23.680 --> 1:02:27.439 cause of death is exanguination. But for her, he did 1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:30.880 dismember her post mortem, and she probably died from damage 1:02:30.880 --> 1:02:34.480 to the federal artery because she can't find the wound, 1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:38.440 and the upper thigh where the federal artery is is 1:02:38.520 --> 1:02:41.120 like the only piece that's missing from her body. So 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:45.840 she also confirms twist Susie was pregnant. There was about 1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:48.720 to be a little Gregory Yates running around. Maybe Yates 1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:51.200 maybe running kind of did us a favor there. We 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:54.640 don't need a baby Yates. This delusional woman and Yates 1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:58.200 making a baby together. That's nobody's society needs. So now 1:02:58.240 --> 1:03:01.160 we cut to a hilarious road trip movie which is 1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:03.880 Careese at Rolins and Rudnick in the backseat like it's 1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:08.000 fully Crossroads but SVU style. I'm loving it. Rudnick can't 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:10.760 believe they're driving back to Manhattan and they're like, dog, 1:03:10.800 --> 1:03:13.280 didn't you just take the bus here? And they're like, 1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:15.080 we can't believe you skipped out on a two million 1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:17.320 dollar bail And he's like, I can't believe they let 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:19.240 me go after accusing me of two murders. But if 1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:21.760 I was out on bail, why wouldn't I run? And 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:23.960 then they're like, well, we found your car, and he goes, 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:26.840 We'll give yourself a gold star, Like I really love 1:03:26.880 --> 1:03:30.560 the way this guy plays Rudnick, Like every line is 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:32.760 he's so good. Yeah, he's so good, and he's not 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:36.880 scared and yeah, and there is like I mean Coreese 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:39.560 says it later, there is something almost like charming about him, 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:41.640 like you can't imagine that he's this like six zero 1:03:41.720 --> 1:03:44.040 killer that, by the way, killed people, cut people up 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:47.880 while they were alive, like horrible. Meanwhile, they find Rudnick's 1:03:47.880 --> 1:03:50.360 burnt out car and they find a little bit of 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:53.760 blood in it, and now the Crossroads gang has stopped 1:03:53.800 --> 1:03:57.400 at a diner. Rudnick is hard judging rawlins and carees 1:03:57.560 --> 1:04:01.560 because they're eating like full American brack, like bacon, eggs, 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:05.880 hash browns, probably like a waffle or pancakes are on there. 1:04:05.920 --> 1:04:06.800 I couldn't make it out. 1:04:06.920 --> 1:04:09.920 So he nibbles on toast while they're just like fully 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:12.640 chowing down on this like breakfast. And I mean, I'm 1:04:12.680 --> 1:04:15.560 sure they drove all night to get to, like driving 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:16.880 around to Syracuse Buffalo. 1:04:16.920 --> 1:04:19.000 They're hungry. I don't like let them meet what they want. 1:04:19.480 --> 1:04:21.680 He asks to use you know, the little boy's room, 1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:23.400 and he's in there for a while. So then Careesy 1:04:23.480 --> 1:04:26.240 goes in. Normally I would think, oh, he's escaped, he's 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:28.320 gone out of a window, and they're gonna find him, like, 1:04:28.400 --> 1:04:30.400 you know, running in his little dress down the street. 1:04:30.680 --> 1:04:33.440 But Rudnik is actually just in there talking to himself, 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:36.400 and he's like going, they think I killed that woman 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:40.400 and cut her up? Oh terrible quiet doctor good Man, 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:43.160 Like he's saying all this weird, just like talking to himself, 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:47.680 but he doesn't say anything incriminating. Rita shows up at 1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:50.880 Barbara's and she's got an excuse for everything. Rachel's hair 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:53.800 is in the apartment because he did the autopsy. Susie's 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:55.480 blood is in the car because he gave her a 1:04:55.600 --> 1:04:57.840 ride and she got a paper cut. They were friends, 1:04:58.040 --> 1:04:59.720 but she's really there to a wheel and deal, and 1:04:59.760 --> 1:05:02.480 she's it's like, your bosses do not want a big trial, 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:04.960 and Emmy being accused of being a serial killer, like 1:05:05.160 --> 1:05:07.720 that's a bad look. He'll plead to one count of 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:10.240 tampering with evidence and one count of unlawful disposal of 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:14.440 a body and this all goes away, and Barbara's like misdemeanors, Babe, 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:16.720 he killed three women, and two of them he cut 1:05:16.800 --> 1:05:17.360 up when. 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:17.880 They were alive. 1:05:18.520 --> 1:05:21.520 He goes, I can offer manslaughter twenty years for each 1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:24.600 count served concurrently, which is still not enough. You'd get 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:27.880 out in twenty years. Yeah, So Rita lays it out 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:30.320 a public defender could get him that, and he's paying 1:05:30.360 --> 1:05:33.760 for more than that, which is really she's truly laying 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:37.600 out like the truth about everything with the law and crimes, 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:39.800 like the criminal justice system, like if you pay for more, 1:05:39.800 --> 1:05:41.880 if you have enough money, you truly, I think, can 1:05:41.920 --> 1:05:44.320 appeal and appeal and appeal until like at the very 1:05:44.400 --> 1:05:46.520 least your sentence gets reduced if you don't just get 1:05:46.600 --> 1:05:49.200 fully off because of a technicality that they find on 1:05:49.280 --> 1:05:50.160 like Trial five. 1:05:50.280 --> 1:05:51.680 You know it's wild. 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:55.160 Money. Money does make the fucking legal world go round, 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:58.600 for sure, and Barbara says, well, I hope there's I 1:05:58.600 --> 1:06:00.640 hope there's enough money in the world, Rita. He tries 1:06:00.640 --> 1:06:03.520 to give her like an ethical, you know, guilt trip, 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:06.320 and Rita says, all of your cases are fucked if 1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:09.160 you get a conviction, starting with all of Yates's. And 1:06:09.480 --> 1:06:14.320 that's true. Barbara calls Rollins and wants her to defy 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:16.680 live and go see Yates by herself. We need his 1:06:16.760 --> 1:06:19.160 help to put Carl Rudnick away. So now Yates is 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:21.800 telling Rollins that he was worried about Susie. He says, 1:06:21.840 --> 1:06:24.840 Susie believed that she could blackmail Rudnick with the photo, 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:28.200 so he'd work to free Greg. And Yates knew it 1:06:28.280 --> 1:06:31.280 was dangerous, but she wouldn't listen this plant plan. I 1:06:31.280 --> 1:06:33.320 don't believe. I don't believe Susie came up with all this. 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:35.640 I believe he told her to do it. He knew 1:06:35.680 --> 1:06:38.680 she was pregnant. She had a slightly different scent, kind 1:06:38.720 --> 1:06:41.160 of like you do. How far along are you? And 1:06:41.280 --> 1:06:45.760 Rollins looks grossed out, And you know, whenever I see 1:06:45.760 --> 1:06:48.920 anybody puking and there's not kind of like a definitive 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:51.240 answer about it. You can always assume they're pregnant. I 1:06:51.280 --> 1:06:53.360 pretty much guessed did at every show I've ever watched. 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:56.040 So we got to this very quick scene at the 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:59.000 DAPA Bag three, which is Rollin's just at home with 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:02.919 two positive pregnan and see tests and she's like, huh, well, 1:07:02.920 --> 1:07:05.960 that's something I am for sure pregnant. And as we know, 1:07:06.120 --> 1:07:09.080 she's recently been in sort of like a quick fling 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:10.000 with Nicka Morrow. 1:07:10.200 --> 1:07:11.360 We don't really know what's going on. 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:16.400 At arraignment, Barbara is adding Susie Frain's murder to the charges, 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:20.800 and then who barges in? But you can in not 1:07:21.040 --> 1:07:24.960 this crazy psycho affording the two biggest shark lawyers in 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:28.640 New York City, I mean dream team. Honestly, getting either 1:07:28.680 --> 1:07:32.960 one of them is like a ton, and he's like, sorry, Rita, 1:07:33.240 --> 1:07:35.320 the state doubled down, so I thought fit to do 1:07:35.400 --> 1:07:41.280 so myself or whatever. So he's got now two Sharks 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:44.680 on his team. The judge revokes bail because obviously this 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:48.440 dude does not respect bail, and both lawyers try to 1:07:48.480 --> 1:07:51.040 file motions at the same time to separate the charges, 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:53.560 and it is kind of like slapsticky, like they both 1:07:53.600 --> 1:07:54.160 hold up their. 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:54.880 Little blue papers. 1:07:55.120 --> 1:07:57.160 Then they look at each other like me too, like 1:07:57.200 --> 1:07:58.880 they're both trying to do it at the same time. 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:04.000 So in the squadroom vending machine area again, Carees calls 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:06.360 Rollin's out on being pregnant and is like, so have 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:08.560 you told anyone yet, like cause I don't know Rollin's 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:10.920 has Like I mean, Carees has a bunch of sisters, 1:08:10.920 --> 1:08:13.520 so I guess he just knows when people are pregnant. 1:08:13.680 --> 1:08:17.920 And she says, it's not your business, but it's not Nicks. Okay, 1:08:18.000 --> 1:08:20.080 so very important to let everybody know it's not Nicks, 1:08:20.080 --> 1:08:22.240 but we don't know whose it is. At a bar, 1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:27.000 Barba is pounding whiskey when Benson joins and Rudnick's team 1:08:27.080 --> 1:08:29.679 was able to separate the charges, which is not good. 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:31.800 They want it to seem like he's a serial killer, 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:35.040 not that she like he killed one person. He says 1:08:35.080 --> 1:08:38.040 they need the thigh, but it's gone, and they're like, 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:42.560 let's go with Susie. That's the strongest case because I guess, yeah, 1:08:41.920 --> 1:08:45.599 one's twelve years old, fifteen years old, the other one's 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:48.880 the body was so washed up like that. This is 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:51.840 probably the one that has the most evidence in it 1:08:51.880 --> 1:08:55.080 cuts a court. Benson's on the stand, b Canon, you 1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:58.040 know our pal Delaney Williams, friend of the pod. He's 1:08:58.080 --> 1:09:01.040 trying to act like Susie was framing Rudnick to try 1:09:01.040 --> 1:09:03.880 to get Greg Yates out, and that they plotted it 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:07.360 all out during this conjugal visit. So uh oh, word 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:11.280 of the conjugal visit is out and dramatic music slow 1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:13.799 pushed in on Benson at the end of this scene. 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:17.040 That kind of symbolizes like fuck is Rudnick winning? Like 1:09:17.080 --> 1:09:19.880 what's happening now? Rollins is on the stand and she's 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:23.240 explaining how Susie was helping with the investigation, and Buchanan 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:25.479 is trying some shit but Barbara's not having it. And 1:09:25.520 --> 1:09:28.120 then Rita gets on her about visiting Yates in prison 1:09:28.240 --> 1:09:31.479 so much like is that common practice for a female detective? 1:09:31.520 --> 1:09:34.360 And it's like Rita, not very feminist of you, Like 1:09:34.360 --> 1:09:37.200 why couldn't a female detective go visit a suspect alone? 1:09:37.439 --> 1:09:41.160 I mean, Clarice Starling's been doing it since nineteen ninety one. Sorry, 1:09:41.200 --> 1:09:42.760 I have to bring up silence of the lambs as 1:09:42.840 --> 1:09:45.320 much as I can. It's like in my contract, she's 1:09:45.360 --> 1:09:47.799 trying to make it seem like Rollins was getting played 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:50.200 by Yates all along, and that Yates is behind all 1:09:50.200 --> 1:09:53.480 of this. Outside the courthouse, Benson checks in on Rollins, 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:57.120 and Rollins, you know, drops the bomb that she's pregnant 1:09:57.200 --> 1:09:59.280 and it's not Nick's. She wants everyone to know I 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:01.880 am not carrying a tiny, swarthy baby in my womb. 1:10:02.720 --> 1:10:06.760 Benson looks shocked. Rollins begs to work as long as possible, 1:10:06.880 --> 1:10:08.639 like you know we always talk about it's like, girl, 1:10:08.680 --> 1:10:10.760 take a fucking break, Like you know, she's like eight 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:13.000 months pregnant, Like let me get to that crime scene. 1:10:13.880 --> 1:10:17.840 But you know, I think we all know this storyline 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:20.400 is happening because Kelly Gettish is pregnant in real life. 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:22.599 So she's like, please let me work. 1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:25.040 Like, don't report it because Benson's like, girl, they're going 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:26.880 to put you on desk duty. And then they just 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:28.920 have a little chat about how single momming is hard, 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:30.880 because you know, Benson's been a single mom for like 1:10:31.280 --> 1:10:35.799 a few months, and she's you know, just telling Rollin's 1:10:35.800 --> 1:10:37.160 that she's going to need help, and she's like well, 1:10:37.160 --> 1:10:38.840 my mom might be moving into the city, and you know, 1:10:38.880 --> 1:10:41.200 spoiler alert, that does not work out so well for her. 1:10:41.880 --> 1:10:44.680 Back on trial, Melinda is on the stand now and 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:47.240 she's explaining how Susie Frain died and how the thigh 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:49.599 that is missing is likely where the fatal injury occurred. 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:53.400 Rudnick had defensive wounds on his hands, but Melinda can't 1:10:53.400 --> 1:10:56.000 say how those happened, and Buchanan is trying to argue that, well, 1:10:56.000 --> 1:10:58.439 you can't explain how Susie Frain got her injuries either, 1:10:58.800 --> 1:10:59.760 and Melinda. 1:10:59.439 --> 1:11:01.400 Is heated, like, well, two people walked. 1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:03.400 Into that house and he walked out and she did not, 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:06.760 so you know, I'm not an idiot. Then Buchan, in 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:09.080 this piece of shit, tries to frame it that Melinda 1:11:09.160 --> 1:11:12.200 is mad because Rudnick got the job over her, and 1:11:12.240 --> 1:11:15.719 it's like, how dare you? How dare you question Melinda's 1:11:15.880 --> 1:11:18.519 integrity and that she might have that she might be 1:11:18.640 --> 1:11:20.840 testifying against him because he beat her out for a job. 1:11:20.960 --> 1:11:25.479 That is not our girl, Melinda. And Barbara then plants 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:27.960 the scene with the jury that Rudnick's wounds could very 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:31.000 well have been self inflicted, like not that hard to 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:32.840 just slit yourself on the hand a couple of times 1:11:32.880 --> 1:11:36.000 and on the arms. In the elevator, Caresy is kissing 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:38.960 Barba's ass, but Barba is worried, like something is coming. 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:41.960 He's like, I've never seen a defense so cocky. Rudnick 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:44.479 is so calm, and Careese's like, wow, there's no way 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:45.320 in hell Rudnick's going. 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:46.880 To take the stand, and like it's a pattern this 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:47.519 whole episode. 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:50.720 Carizik's being like, well, it's this and it's never that, 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:52.519 Like we're not gonna find anything in this townhouse. 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:54.120 Come check out what we found in the townhouse. 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:56.600 Like so that he goes, there's no way blind in 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:59.640 because they had cute banter. I know, yeah, there's no 1:11:59.680 --> 1:12:01.880 way that let Dnick take the stand. Oops, look what 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:04.920 you accidentally manifested? Crazy, Look what you made me do. 1:12:05.720 --> 1:12:09.040 Back in court, Defense calls call Rudnick to the stand. 1:12:09.160 --> 1:12:12.000 So he is taking the stand and he tells the 1:12:12.080 --> 1:12:15.360 jury that what happened was Susie attacked him with a 1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:18.840 kitchen knife and he killed her in self defense. Yates 1:12:18.880 --> 1:12:21.920 had brainwashed Susie into thinking that Rudnick was framing him. 1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:25.439 She accused Rudnick of tampering with all the autopsies. So 1:12:25.520 --> 1:12:28.080 he made the mistake of laughing, and she went crazy 1:12:28.120 --> 1:12:30.759 and attacked him with a huge kitchen knife, and Rita 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:33.479 was like, what'd your mind? Stepping down and demonstrating what happened, 1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:36.280 and then he has this like long process of removing 1:12:36.280 --> 1:12:40.120 his jacket, rolling up the sleeves, and then Benson clocks 1:12:40.160 --> 1:12:42.439 a bunch of like cuts on his arms. Rudnick re 1:12:42.560 --> 1:12:45.719 enacts what happened, and you know, he gets very emotional. 1:12:45.760 --> 1:12:49.120 He's like shaking, and it's a performance for the jury. 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:52.280 It feels like he's like like recalling the moment that 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:55.080 he took a life. And it's like, you know, I 1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:58.000 don't buy it, but he wants the jury too, really bad. 1:12:58.520 --> 1:13:00.920 Then he says, when he saw the blood, he knew 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:04.920 he'd hit the femeral artery. He blacked out. How convenient 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:07.160 And when he came to it was too late to 1:13:07.200 --> 1:13:10.479 save her. What a convenient blackout? It just happened over 1:13:10.520 --> 1:13:12.360 the course of the time that she was bleeding out. 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:16.240 And then and also, what would make you blackout blood? 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:19.280 You're an emmy? Like why you know, it's not like 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:23.080 I faint when I see blood, you know, so he 1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:25.080 didn't go to the hospital because he knew no one 1:13:25.120 --> 1:13:27.040 would believe him, so he just tried to get rid 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:28.600 of the body because he felt that the system was 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:30.960 already against him. He went on the run as a 1:13:30.960 --> 1:13:33.040 woman because he said everyone was looking for Karl, no 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:36.320 one was looking for Carla. But it's like, that doesn't 1:13:36.320 --> 1:13:41.479 really explain why you have house multiple apartments in different 1:13:41.520 --> 1:13:42.160 women's names. 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:43.920 But anyway, Barba's turn. 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:45.960 He's like, but you would also know how to mimic 1:13:46.000 --> 1:13:48.799 defensive wounds and cut up and dispose of a body, 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:52.120 and Carl's like, yes, unfortunately, those skills come with my job. 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:56.799 But then Barbara has the receipts home depot where Rudnick 1:13:56.880 --> 1:14:00.639 bought a saw and bolt cutters to chop up Susie 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:03.080 at eleven fifty on the night she was murdered. Iley 1:14:03.120 --> 1:14:06.599 can't believe how close all this is to the real crime. Yeah, 1:14:06.920 --> 1:14:10.719 they really took a lot, but then they yeah a lot, yeah, yeah, 1:14:10.760 --> 1:14:13.400 which I'm sure people loved because you're going to get 1:14:13.400 --> 1:14:15.120 into it. But the crime you talk about was like 1:14:15.600 --> 1:14:18.040 the thing everyone was talking about at this time. 1:14:17.840 --> 1:14:18.360 Everything you know. 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:21.880 So Rudnick goes, yes, luckily I was able to make 1:14:21.880 --> 1:14:24.920 it there before closing time. Like, he's not denying that 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:27.320 after his blackout he calmly went to home depot and 1:14:27.320 --> 1:14:29.200 bought the tools to dismember a body. 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:30.880 And he's very. 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:34.320 Like, no, no, no, I was just chopping down a tree. Yeah. Yeah, 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:37.760 he's for the city. Yeah, he's audacious, this man. But 1:14:37.800 --> 1:14:40.240 then Rudnick is like, it is my most fervent wish 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:43.120 that we would find the thigh because that would prove 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:46.280 my claims are true. That would prove you know, the 1:14:46.320 --> 1:14:48.720 angle and everything would prove like his story about her 1:14:48.720 --> 1:14:51.640 attacking him first is true. He admits to cutting her up, 1:14:51.640 --> 1:14:54.920 but maintains that the murder was self defense. So outside 1:14:54.960 --> 1:14:58.439 the courthouse, Oh, I love this look. It's like a 1:14:58.560 --> 1:15:02.720 chilly New York early evening, wet streets, like maybe after 1:15:02.720 --> 1:15:05.360 a little rain shower, And I'm loving that. It looks 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:06.640 like they all just got out of work and then 1:15:06.640 --> 1:15:08.160 maybe all going to go get a little drink. And 1:15:08.200 --> 1:15:10.840 I really I can like smell what that scene smells like. 1:15:11.880 --> 1:15:14.920 Careesi again is trying to pump up Barba. He's always like, 1:15:15.080 --> 1:15:17.160 you did great in there, Baba, Like he's like Barba's 1:15:17.240 --> 1:15:19.960 number one cheer litter and he thinks Barba's like I 1:15:20.080 --> 1:15:23.920 bombed actually, And Careese and Rollins are telling them how 1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:26.639 Rudnick talks to himself all the time and he records 1:15:26.640 --> 1:15:29.519 all his autopsies. Maybe it's worth going to listen to 1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:31.559 them and see if he slipped up somewhere and like 1:15:31.600 --> 1:15:34.640 said something weird. So Careese's like, hey, Rollins, let's make 1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:36.200 a date of it, and like, let's go listen to 1:15:36.240 --> 1:15:39.120 some creepy tapes together. So at the tape date, Rollins 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:42.040 is listening to Rudnick explained that redheads are less susceptible 1:15:42.080 --> 1:15:43.200 to anesthesia. 1:15:43.280 --> 1:15:44.559 Have we talked about this before? 1:15:45.000 --> 1:15:48.360 No, I don't think so. I googled it and it 1:15:48.479 --> 1:15:53.040 is a thing. That's the National Institute of Health says quote. 1:15:53.400 --> 1:15:56.120 Research has shown that people with red hair perceive pain 1:15:56.200 --> 1:15:59.160 differently than others. They may be more sensitive to certain 1:15:59.200 --> 1:16:01.439 types of pain and can require higher doses of some 1:16:01.520 --> 1:16:05.439 pain killing medications. However, studies suggest that their general pain 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:06.759 tolerance may be higher. 1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:09.160 That's interesting. I didn't know that. 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:11.680 It's like people that are trying to be like gingers 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:12.360 or other. 1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:13.599 Like I know. 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:17.720 Wild, I've never I guess I'm trying to think of, Like, 1:16:17.800 --> 1:16:20.120 any I guess next time I see Bridger, I'll be like, 1:16:20.240 --> 1:16:21.960 I'll slash them with a knife and see if he cries. 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:26.720 But hold on, Careesy has got something on one of 1:16:26.720 --> 1:16:31.200 these tapes. So now we are watching video. Remember what 1:16:31.280 --> 1:16:33.920 we flagged for follow up that Barbara was barb I 1:16:33.960 --> 1:16:37.560 just called it Barbara. I heard that Barbara was questioning 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:39.960 Rudnick and saying, oh, just a reminder, everything in here 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:40.719 is being taped. 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:42.439 After he lawyered up. 1:16:43.760 --> 1:16:47.280 Barba leaves the room and Rudnick is alone and completely 1:16:47.320 --> 1:16:49.479 forgets that he was told five seconds ago that the 1:16:49.479 --> 1:16:52.599 whole room's being taped. He's talking to himself and he's 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:56.160 saying Rachel was a crackhore with green nail polish and 1:16:56.200 --> 1:16:59.280 a proximity to Yates as victims, Lena, no one will 1:16:59.320 --> 1:17:02.320 believe Yates. Susie is my only problem and she's a 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:05.320 dumb ass, basically, is what he's saying in her in 1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:09.200 his in this little confession that they're catching not only 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:11.559 on tape but on video, like they're catching him saying 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:14.320 all this, and then there's they cut to a shot 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:17.880 of Rudnik watching this and oof Rita and Buchanan are 1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:21.840 positioned right behind him, and you just see them turn 1:17:21.880 --> 1:17:23.800 their heads towards each other, look at each other, and 1:17:23.800 --> 1:17:24.320 they're both. 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:25.880 Kind of like, well, I help the check. I help 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:26.840 the check clears, you know. 1:17:27.479 --> 1:17:30.439 And Rudnick goes on to say in the video that 1:17:31.280 --> 1:17:34.240 he'll have to kill Susie just like the others, kill 1:17:34.280 --> 1:17:36.040 them all, Carl, whatever it takes. 1:17:36.640 --> 1:17:38.599 So that's what he says. Pretty fucked. 1:17:38.880 --> 1:17:42.120 Uh, you wouldn't believe it if it hadn't happened in 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:43.400 focking real life. 1:17:44.280 --> 1:17:46.280 They're all watching this in the judges chamber, but. 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:49.160 You know this happens probably on movie sets and TV 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:53.840 show Oh yeah, like you really have to be so. 1:17:55.560 --> 1:18:00.400 On it and know what's up totally totally. People are listening. Yeah, 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:02.880 I mean I remember I've worked on shows where people 1:18:02.960 --> 1:18:04.639 just go to the bathroom and like pee with their 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:07.680 MIC's on, and like the producers can like hear them pissing. Like, 1:18:07.840 --> 1:18:11.240 you know, there's a lot of hot mic moments, but 1:18:11.240 --> 1:18:14.000 but you know, Meredith's ahoor she's fucked up in New 1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:17.120 York City another iconic hot mic moment. I would say 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:19.280 that goes right up there with the hot like moment 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:23.600 that you're gonna talk about. So they're all watching this 1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:27.320 in the judges chambers, and Buchanan tries to argue it's inadmissible, 1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:29.639 and the judge is like, I bet you'd love that. 1:18:29.680 --> 1:18:30.240 To be true. 1:18:30.680 --> 1:18:32.960 And he's like, what walk me through the chain of custody, 1:18:33.000 --> 1:18:35.000 like how did you find that? And Buchan's trying to 1:18:35.080 --> 1:18:37.160 argue like, well, this is Brady like this. If this 1:18:37.280 --> 1:18:39.000 was available, it should have been turned over to us. 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:41.400 And Barba's like, dog, you had this tape the whole time. 1:18:41.479 --> 1:18:44.280 You just stopped watching. We just kept watching, and the 1:18:44.360 --> 1:18:47.120 judge agrees, and Carl is this is where you see 1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:48.400 Carl's mad side. 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:49.120 He's pissed. 1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:51.559 He's like, you had the recording the entire time and 1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:54.200 you didn't know. And then he moves for new council. 1:18:54.240 --> 1:18:56.360 But the judge is like, whatever you want, dude, but 1:18:56.439 --> 1:18:59.280 this is admissible no matter who was representing you. So 1:18:59.400 --> 1:19:03.400 now in Rudnick is changing his plea, oh, he's changing 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:07.200 it to guilty, and Susie Frame's murder on Rachel's murder, 1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:09.800 he goes, I'm afraid I'm guilty on that one as well, 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:12.439 like she just has such a funny little way of talking. 1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:15.280 And then Barbara, Oh my god, I did it again. 1:19:15.640 --> 1:19:19.200 Barbara withdraws the charge for Lena, and I'm not sure why. 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:21.320 I guess maybe they don't have enough evidence because it 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:23.160 could have been him Mary Yates and it was fifteen 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:25.559 years ago. But I wish there was justice for Lena, 1:19:25.680 --> 1:19:27.400 Like I'm sure her family in Switzerland wants to know 1:19:27.439 --> 1:19:29.559 what the fuck happened to her. Her mom. Also, it's like, 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:33.920 get with it. I just feel like no one cares. Yeah, 1:19:34.160 --> 1:19:37.719 no one. The letters like, yeah one, no one reported 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:41.600 her missing. Like I guess our relationships different times in 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:44.120 our s view or yeah, totally. 1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:47.519 I guess family dynamics are different. But it was like, right, 1:19:47.600 --> 1:19:49.599 I guess just a letter's all it took. I don't 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:53.920 know totally. So, but there's a new catfishing thing coming 1:19:53.920 --> 1:19:56.360 out on NETFLI I watched the trailer and this girls 1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:58.000 catfish for like ten years or something. 1:19:58.560 --> 1:20:01.680 Sweet Bobby, Oh, okay, I listened to the popcast. I 1:20:01.720 --> 1:20:02.559 listened to the podcast. 1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:05.120 Okay, but it's like a woman, a cool woman, and 1:20:05.160 --> 1:20:08.080 it ruined her life and yeah, in England or something. 1:20:07.880 --> 1:20:13.000 It's wild. But again, it's kind of like you were 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:15.439 dating somebody for ten years that you didn't ever meet 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:15.960 in person. 1:20:16.080 --> 1:20:17.639 That's so crazy. 1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:21.920 I know, you know, like I I understand she seems 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:24.760 like a normal person, so you're kind of like, okay, okay, 1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:27.759 but then even then nothing like, I don't know, it's. 1:20:27.600 --> 1:20:28.679 It's it's truly wild. 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:33.519 But Yates back at prison, so this will be after 1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:37.320 we're talking about the Lina stuff. Back in prison, Yates 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:39.280 is also pissed. He's like, so he just gets to 1:20:39.479 --> 1:20:41.559 get away with Lina's murder and Rollins is like, yeah, 1:20:41.560 --> 1:20:43.519 but he's getting twenty five to life for the other two, 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:46.240 so you two might be roomies. One day, he's telling 1:20:46.240 --> 1:20:48.519 her strangulation was the cause of death and so maybe 1:20:48.520 --> 1:20:50.479 that's why they couldn't do Lina's case because like cause 1:20:50.520 --> 1:20:52.479 of death wasn't clear because Rollins brings up that there 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:56.120 was also a skull fracture and Yates very confidently goes, 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:59.559 the skull fracture was post mortem, and he goes, I 1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:02.160 would think maybe it was his first time he screwed up. 1:21:02.240 --> 1:21:04.840 He had to call someone more experienced to help. And 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:07.280 then Rollins is like, what did this person tell him 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:10.240 to do? It's really creepy. This is very doctor Lecter, 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:13.400 and I wrote, this is so fucked very silence of 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:17.280 the Lambs. That's what I wrote in my notes. He goes, well, 1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:19.320 the person probably would have advised him to keep Lena 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:21.960 alive as long as possible. Such a waste to have 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:25.400 her die so quickly. And then he believes when one 1:21:25.479 --> 1:21:28.439 life ends, another begins. So just like she's bringing a 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:31.360 life into this world and he lost his fiance and child, 1:21:31.400 --> 1:21:33.639 and he feels a connection with Rowlins. It's like, ew 1:21:33.800 --> 1:21:35.720 are you trying to tell Rollins that maybe like the 1:21:35.800 --> 1:21:38.720 spirit of your murdered baby is like going into Rollins's 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:41.439 new baby, because yuck. That for Rollins, this is a 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:44.479 bridge too far. She leaves and he's like you'll be 1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:48.320 back and I'll be here. And the last scene is, 1:21:48.560 --> 1:21:51.120 I mean, they really give it to us. It's so funny. 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:53.479 The last scene is Yates sitting alone in the prison 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:55.920 cafeteria because I bet even the other prisoners are like, no, 1:21:56.040 --> 1:21:58.400 not that guy, like the Long Island serial killer. I'm 1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:01.760 good and up while his old pal Rudnik and he's like, 1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:04.280 may I join you? And he's like, Rudnick is like, 1:22:04.320 --> 1:22:06.800 we have a lot to catch up on and that's 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:07.559 Dick wolf. 1:22:07.360 --> 1:22:11.040 Baby, and not even the end of the series. I 1:22:11.040 --> 1:22:16.080 think we're gonna keep closing this out. I know, wait, 1:22:16.120 --> 1:22:17.760 a double episode. 1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:19.840 It Yeah, I hope that didn't take too too long, Guys. 1:22:19.880 --> 1:22:21.840 I tried to be a little bit brief. I didn't 1:22:21.880 --> 1:22:24.599 include every single piece of dialogue because I was trying 1:22:24.640 --> 1:22:28.400 to get through two. Uh no, you got all the creeps, 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:33.240 the yeah, the creepy highlights. Well let's go. Let's go 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:44.160 to the most famous case of our generation. All right, 1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:46.719 So this is obviously Robert Durst. I mean, it's crazy. 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:50.639 Yeah, it changed everything, and I feel like, I'm sure 1:22:50.680 --> 1:22:53.000 it's lots of different en elements, but this is what 1:22:53.520 --> 1:22:58.080 I think pushed a true crime documentary series. Everyone's chasing 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:00.360 this high and that's why they stretch them out, like 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:03.439 they're just stretching them out, hoping like maybe, well maybe 1:23:03.439 --> 1:23:07.400 there'll be an end. And most of them pale short 1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:09.599 in comparison, or yeah, they paale like comparison. Yeah, they 1:23:09.600 --> 1:23:10.840 come up short. Both both work. 1:23:11.680 --> 1:23:14.920 Yeah, I mean they're pale and short. Yeah, just like 1:23:15.000 --> 1:23:19.800 Carl Rudnick, a delicate pale man. They just like I 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:22.759 bet you knew, like crime docs now are like hiring 1:23:22.840 --> 1:23:26.759 people that specifically listen to like every single second of tape, 1:23:26.880 --> 1:23:30.160 you know what I mean, Like because this is a 1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:34.360 wild one. It is and I feel like everyone wants 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:36.799 to catch someone on camera. 1:23:36.880 --> 1:23:37.479 It's so bad. 1:23:37.800 --> 1:23:41.720 Yeah, so yeah, you know, the Jinks was huge and 1:23:41.840 --> 1:23:44.479 now the Jinks too just came out this year. 1:23:44.760 --> 1:23:46.479 Oh I got to watch there's a whole new sere. 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:48.360 Yeah, I have not watched yet, but it's about like 1:23:48.560 --> 1:23:51.760 try like trial posts, all the jail stuff kind of 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:55.040 and I am so it's so funny that he another 1:23:55.040 --> 1:23:55.559 one happened. 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:58.240 But if you're wondering, like why did this? 1:23:58.600 --> 1:24:00.439 So for those who don't know, Robert or is like 1:24:00.520 --> 1:24:04.240 comes from a billionaire real estate scion New York family, 1:24:04.439 --> 1:24:07.600 like billions eight billion dollars. I think the family was 1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:10.200 worth who So to me, it's like, all right, you've 1:24:10.439 --> 1:24:13.360 you've murdered all these people, You've gotten away with it. 1:24:13.360 --> 1:24:15.639 You're on the lamb. But like, why are you agreeing 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:17.519 to this doc? Like why would you agree to this 1:24:17.640 --> 1:24:20.719 doc at all? You've gotten away with You've gotten away. 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:22.120 I'll get into details. 1:24:22.320 --> 1:24:24.519 So the reason he did the documentary is because in 1:24:24.560 --> 1:24:26.040 twenty ten, I don't know if you know this. But 1:24:26.120 --> 1:24:29.719 Ryan Gosling played a fictionalized version of Durst with Kristen 1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:33.920 Dunst plays Kathy his you know, uh sadly murdered wife. 1:24:34.240 --> 1:24:37.639 And I watched part of it on a plane. Crazy. 1:24:37.680 --> 1:24:39.040 I didn't even heard of it. 1:24:39.040 --> 1:24:41.320 It was yeah, it was like I it like I 1:24:41.400 --> 1:24:43.360 landed before it was over. But like I watched part 1:24:43.360 --> 1:24:45.240 of it on a plane and was like, oh interesting. 1:24:45.400 --> 1:24:48.639 So then so the movie, so it's them, and it's 1:24:48.680 --> 1:24:50.479 Mark and Katie in it, but it's like it's clearly 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:55.720 Kathy and like Robert Durst, and so he wanted to 1:24:55.800 --> 1:24:57.120 get his point of the story. 1:24:57.160 --> 1:24:59.759 He didn't like it, so he didn't like the Hollywood 1:24:59.800 --> 1:25:02.160 got to tell his story. There's too It's like People 1:25:02.240 --> 1:25:04.719 Magazine said that he didn't like the way he came off, 1:25:04.800 --> 1:25:07.360 so he was like, I need to do this doc 1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:09.679 But according to New York New York Times, he actually 1:25:09.760 --> 1:25:12.799 liked the movie and he reached out to the same director. 1:25:12.880 --> 1:25:16.480 So Andrew Jureki, who directed this Gostling thing, did the documentaries. 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:19.360 So Robert Durst reached out to him, And. 1:25:19.439 --> 1:25:21.920 The two sources right are. 1:25:22.439 --> 1:25:24.880 It's either he didn't like his portrayal and was like, 1:25:25.000 --> 1:25:27.160 I'm gonna set things straight, or he's like I like 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:28.519 this guy, I like what he did here. 1:25:28.600 --> 1:25:29.679 I'm gonna I'm. 1:25:29.560 --> 1:25:31.800 Gonna tell my story and set things straight. Like I'm 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:34.519 not really sure, and this is gonna be a precedent. 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:36.559 Like I was really nervous to kind of dive into 1:25:36.600 --> 1:25:39.160 this because it's such a huge case. There's so much 1:25:39.160 --> 1:25:43.599 information and none of you know, he's the dates are tough, 1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:47.200 everything's intertwined and all the sources are like it happened 1:25:47.240 --> 1:25:48.800 on Octube B eight, the no October ninth or this 1:25:48.880 --> 1:25:52.080 and not. So there's just like a lot of inconsistencies 1:25:52.640 --> 1:25:53.880 and just. 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:55.639 Changing itself and you know a lot. 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:58.040 Yeah, so it's tough to like kind of report on 1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:00.720 something that a lot of you probably Yeah, I have 1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:02.639 already seen the part two of the Jinks. 1:26:02.720 --> 1:26:05.120 Yes, we want to hear the way you tell it, though, 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:09.080 you know, because like, honestly, we don't have a six 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:12.120 hour documentary time to go through this case or we 1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:13.679 would give you that information. 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:15.200 We got to cut this shit down. 1:26:15.280 --> 1:26:16.840 I know, it was like, but it's just, you know, 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:19.519 it's intimidating and overwhelming, and I you know, like to 1:26:19.520 --> 1:26:20.479 do a good job. 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:23.799 But I'm not basing any of this on the jinks. 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:26.400 I did all research, like okay, but research because anyone 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:27.040 can go watch that. 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:28.200 Yeah, yeah, and so. 1:26:28.640 --> 1:26:32.920 But Robert Durst gave this documentary crew everything, access to 1:26:32.960 --> 1:26:35.680 his private papers. He urged friends to talk to the 1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:39.560 crew and gave them more than twenty hours of filmed interviews. 1:26:40.200 --> 1:26:42.760 He actually even for the movie with Ryan Gosling. He 1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:45.400 offered a commentary track on the DVD release. 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:46.479 Oh my god. 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:50.320 And he doesn't confess, but he goes he he like, 1:26:50.680 --> 1:26:52.639 he goes, oh, yeah, we did get into a fight 1:26:52.720 --> 1:26:55.639 that night. I dragged her by her hair and hit 1:26:55.640 --> 1:26:58.000 her and she left, but I didn't kill her. Like 1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:00.919 he agrees to some that's happening. 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:02.519 Oh my god. He admits to. 1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:06.240 Like being a bad guy but not being a killer. Yeah. 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:06.840 Wild. 1:27:07.120 --> 1:27:12.160 Yeah, So he did a DVD thing. So we're going 1:27:12.160 --> 1:27:14.240 all the way a way. You can get a DVD 1:27:14.320 --> 1:27:17.080 of All Good Things and you can hear commentary by 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:17.679 Robert Durs. 1:27:18.080 --> 1:27:20.519 Maybe we can find it that's he recorded it in. 1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:22.320 Yeah that's wild, okay. 1:27:22.720 --> 1:27:25.000 Yeah, in this case, it's just like it's so sad, 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:27.000 it was so long ago. Okay, So January thirty first, 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:29.840 nineteen eighty two, Kathy McCormick vanishes at the age of 1:27:29.840 --> 1:27:32.479 twenty nine. And this is the night that she attended 1:27:32.479 --> 1:27:37.080 a party at her friend's house GILBERTA great name, GILBERTA 1:27:37.080 --> 1:27:41.640 and a Jimmy okay, and she said something chilling to 1:27:41.680 --> 1:27:44.280 her friend before she drove home in her Mercedes Benz. 1:27:45.160 --> 1:27:48.400 She said, promise me, Gilberta, if something happens, you will 1:27:48.479 --> 1:27:50.640 check it out. I'm afraid of what Bobby will do. 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:53.680 And that's according to the New York Times, and that's 1:27:53.680 --> 1:27:55.320 nothing new. I feel like women are always like, if 1:27:55.320 --> 1:27:56.559 something happens, it's him, and. 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:56.840 They have that. 1:27:56.880 --> 1:27:59.680 In an episode, Lena goes, if something happens to me, 1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:01.559 Carl did it borrowing a lot? 1:28:01.800 --> 1:28:03.320 So I mean so much. 1:28:03.400 --> 1:28:08.519 Yeah, But because I see Rudnick as such a like 1:28:09.280 --> 1:28:11.920 favorite character, I forget that it is that like I 1:28:12.240 --> 1:28:15.559 always kind of lose sight of it until you were 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:17.439 like telling it directly to me and I'm. 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:18.799 Like, oh fuck, this is exact. 1:28:19.560 --> 1:28:21.759 So once she disappears, all eyes are on the husband, 1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:24.840 this Robert Durst, and they own all these skyscrapers. 1:28:25.040 --> 1:28:26.000 Rich guy, rich guy. 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:28.400 He works for his family for twenty years, but left 1:28:28.400 --> 1:28:30.679 the company in nineteen ninety four when it became clear 1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:34.280 that his younger brother Douglas would take over. Robert's the oldest. 1:28:34.360 --> 1:28:36.360 And this is very Succession as well. 1:28:36.400 --> 1:28:39.120 Like I know people say it's the Murdos, but I 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:43.400 feel like this family was also an inspiration for Succession. Okay, 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:46.160 and also the red Stones too, don't they in a 1:28:46.200 --> 1:28:48.600 red Stone I feel like they were in spo for 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:52.400 it all as wellll which I covered on this podcast. 1:28:52.439 --> 1:28:56.400 I'm pretty positive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He ate really crazy, 1:28:56.800 --> 1:28:59.559 That's what I remember that people I called him the monster, 1:28:59.680 --> 1:29:02.000 and he like just like was a disgusting eater. 1:29:03.040 --> 1:29:04.440 That's what I think about. 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:08.519 They were married Kathy and Robert for nine years after 1:29:08.600 --> 1:29:11.840 meeting in the fall of nineteen seventy one and moving 1:29:11.840 --> 1:29:15.200 in together quickly January of nineteen seventy two, already moved in. 1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:19.680 And this is another thing with rich people, there's less consequences, 1:29:19.720 --> 1:29:21.560 so divorce doesn't matter. 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:22.599 Like you can get married quick. 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:26.719 And that's again shown in Succession with Rory Culkins character 1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:28.559 or Karen my bad. 1:29:28.640 --> 1:29:30.320 I know all the Culkins. 1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:34.320 So she was from a lower middle class family on 1:29:34.360 --> 1:29:37.000 Long Island. He's like a richie rich and they had 1:29:37.000 --> 1:29:40.400 a luxurious life, but he also was kind of cheap 1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:44.000 and like didn't live that extravagantly. He also did for 1:29:44.160 --> 1:29:46.919 sort of an abortion, and that's when the marriage descended 1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:49.840 into fighting, affairs and violence, and he said they got 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:52.600 into an argument and she left their country home for 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:55.160 their New York City apartment. So that's things. She came 1:29:55.200 --> 1:29:56.960 to the country home, she wanted to be in the city. 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:59.479 They fight, she leaves five days later is when he 1:29:59.520 --> 1:30:03.320 reports her missing, and the investigators obviously fuck up because 1:30:03.320 --> 1:30:05.320 they only searched Manhattan because he was like, oh, she 1:30:05.360 --> 1:30:07.880 went back to Manhattan and disappeared, so they never even 1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:11.400 searched their country home, so he could have cleared, like 1:30:11.400 --> 1:30:13.680 there could have been evidence in that home, and no 1:30:13.760 --> 1:30:15.559 one searched it. They just like are like, oh, I 1:30:15.560 --> 1:30:17.040 guess she disappeared from her apartment. 1:30:17.560 --> 1:30:18.040 It was sad. 1:30:18.040 --> 1:30:22.120 She was months away from graduating medical school. And he eventually, 1:30:22.160 --> 1:30:23.880 did you know, like I said, admitted that the fight 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:25.880 got physical. He pushed and shoved her, but did not 1:30:26.000 --> 1:30:30.000 kill her. Their marriage was crumbling and so like divorce 1:30:30.120 --> 1:30:32.559 lawyers were reached out to the marriage is flopping. 1:30:32.720 --> 1:30:37.320 Things aren't doing well, marriages, flopping court records and for 1:30:37.479 --> 1:30:39.880 seeing there's like, you know, who's going to get control 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:40.479 of real estate? 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:43.160 And friends and family said that, you know, he did beat. 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:45.160 Her, and three weeks before she disappeared, he punched her 1:30:45.920 --> 1:30:48.080 and she didn't trust the husband and two friends told 1:30:48.120 --> 1:30:51.320 investigators that she had given them confidential information about Durst 1:30:51.320 --> 1:30:55.120 holdings for safe keeping during the estrangement. Those files were 1:30:55.200 --> 1:30:58.040 later stolen from those people's homes and robberies that occurred 1:30:58.040 --> 1:30:59.640 within a year of the disappearance. 1:31:00.880 --> 1:31:05.160 Whoa like, he's on it, dude. Her neighbor Ruth C. 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:07.719 Mayer told The New York Times she was gorgeous, smart, 1:31:07.840 --> 1:31:11.439 very sweet, and everybody loved her on the block. And yeah, 1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:14.400 very very sad, and we'll talk more about everything. 1:31:14.680 --> 1:31:15.840 So then he. 1:31:15.760 --> 1:31:18.920 Remarried a woman named Deborah Lee Sheraton, and she was 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:20.280 a real estate broker and she was with. 1:31:20.280 --> 1:31:20.960 Him until the end. 1:31:21.680 --> 1:31:23.280 Whow all the way till the end. 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:27.679 So now this next person, So in two thousand, Durst's 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:28.920 best friend was found. 1:31:28.960 --> 1:31:31.880 Do you think about Fred Durst every time I say Durst, yep, yep, 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:33.760 And every time I try to talk about this case, 1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:37.439 sometimes I say Fred Durst. People are like, oh really, dude, 1:31:37.880 --> 1:31:42.320 h corn is it corn biscuit? Yeah, like corn lumbiscuit 1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:46.320 committed a crime. And I'm like, okay, I'm sorry Robert Durst. Yeah, 1:31:46.520 --> 1:31:47.719 she did it all for the NIKI. 1:31:49.479 --> 1:31:53.360 In two thousands, best friend was found dead, and of 1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:56.400 course Robert is a suspect, so Susan Berman is his 1:31:56.479 --> 1:32:00.000 longtime friend. And actually it was like this helper folks person, 1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:02.920 an accomplice to Kathy's fucking missing and murder. 1:32:03.439 --> 1:32:06.679 She's she's a pick me, she's about her. I bet 1:32:06.680 --> 1:32:07.439 she was in love with him. 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:08.200 Yeah. 1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:12.479 Sorry, like I so anyways, like to the point where 1:32:12.640 --> 1:32:14.800 Robert Durst gave this woman away at her wedding in 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:18.160 nineteen eighty four. Key, that's how fucking close they were. 1:32:18.760 --> 1:32:21.040 He gave her thousands of dollars whenever she needed it. 1:32:21.520 --> 1:32:23.559 And she was found dead on Christmas Eve two thousand 1:32:23.640 --> 1:32:25.680 after having been shot execution. 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:26.320 Style in her la home. 1:32:26.360 --> 1:32:30.280 And like Beverly Hills, her neighbor reported the to authorities 1:32:30.320 --> 1:32:32.280 that her dogs were loose in the yard, the door 1:32:32.360 --> 1:32:34.920 was open, and when the police arrived, they were like, oh, 1:32:34.920 --> 1:32:37.559 there's no fourth century or signs of ransacking or a struggle, 1:32:37.640 --> 1:32:39.640 her purses here, her id, her cash was sitting on 1:32:39.680 --> 1:32:44.040 the kitchen counter, Like, this is not a stranger. 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:46.360 She let this person in. There's not a struggle, there's 1:32:46.360 --> 1:32:47.000 not a five. 1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:50.240 Like, there was nothing leading it, so you can assume 1:32:50.280 --> 1:32:53.200 it's someone that she knew. Possible motive was that the 1:32:53.240 --> 1:32:55.840 police were planning to speak to Berman about her knowledge 1:32:55.840 --> 1:32:59.360 in Kathy's disappearance. So like Kathy's family never gave up 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:04.040 on because her body has never been found ever, and 1:33:04.080 --> 1:33:06.040 that's why he's such a monster, like being caught and 1:33:06.080 --> 1:33:08.080 everything obviously is a monster, is a murderer, but also 1:33:08.200 --> 1:33:08.799 just like tell. 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:11.840 Us where the body is, Yeah, but a lot of 1:33:11.880 --> 1:33:13.040 woods out in Westchester. 1:33:13.600 --> 1:33:17.320 Yeah, but you know, it's been so many decades, it's sad. 1:33:17.439 --> 1:33:19.720 So like her family, though, never gave up on it. 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:22.960 He was always a suspect. And so they were getting 1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:24.360 more and more evidence and they were going to talk 1:33:24.400 --> 1:33:28.160 to Berman. And so the prosecution believes that Berman helped 1:33:28.200 --> 1:33:31.400 Durst cover up Kathy's death by posing as the dead 1:33:31.439 --> 1:33:35.439 woman on a phone call and calling out of class 1:33:35.520 --> 1:33:38.200 like she missed class, she missed medical school. She was 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:41.640 finishing up medical school, and so someone came back to 1:33:41.680 --> 1:33:45.040 that apartment in Manhattan that night and made the call 1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:47.479 saying she's not going to make it to class, and they. 1:33:47.320 --> 1:33:49.479 Believe it's burta set her up back in the city 1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:52.840 so that he's totally off. Yeah, and so then he 1:33:52.960 --> 1:33:55.080 killed her to make sure the secret didn't get out. 1:33:55.120 --> 1:33:56.280 And she's just such a pick me. 1:33:56.479 --> 1:33:56.880 I bet there. 1:33:56.920 --> 1:33:58.439 I guess their friendship wasn't that. 1:34:00.360 --> 1:34:02.519 I mean, like if he gave her away all this stuff, like, 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:03.599 why would he think she would. 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:04.320 Give it out? Give it up? 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:07.680 You just want to be sure, Yeah, yeah, we just 1:34:07.680 --> 1:34:08.759 don't care. He doesn't. 1:34:08.840 --> 1:34:10.760 Actually, you can't be You're right, you can't be friends 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:13.559 with associated. Yeah yeah, yeah, you're totally right. Like I 1:34:13.560 --> 1:34:15.320 bet she thought they were real friend She put her 1:34:15.360 --> 1:34:17.800 life on the line until she opened the door that day. Yeah, 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:22.360 And so her endorsed arranged interviews and told police and 1:34:22.400 --> 1:34:24.840 reporters around the city after Kathy disappeared that she's a 1:34:24.920 --> 1:34:27.920 drug addict, she's flunking out of medical school like all 1:34:27.920 --> 1:34:31.280 these lives, But school officials and academic records say that's 1:34:31.320 --> 1:34:34.320 not true, Like she was doing great at school. She 1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:36.880 also pretended to be her so it's not just calls, 1:34:36.920 --> 1:34:39.680 but like the elevator operator was like, oh yeah, I 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:41.479 saw Kathy that day and then was like, wait, that 1:34:41.600 --> 1:34:44.800 wasn't Kathy. So this woman went to the building with 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:47.120 like you know, sublass whatever and. 1:34:47.160 --> 1:34:48.240 Pretended to be Kathy. 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:50.759 And this is sort of prosecution like this is according 1:34:50.760 --> 1:34:51.360 to the prosecution. 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:53.040 This has not been yeah proven in core. 1:34:53.040 --> 1:34:55.559 I mean she's dead, So dr'st defense attorney's like this 1:34:55.560 --> 1:34:57.799 is bullshit. This is all taken from this fictional movie. 1:34:57.960 --> 1:35:01.599 This is all speculation, bad investigation. This is Hollywood, Like 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:06.439 this isn't real, but I'm sorry. Like, like an article said, 1:35:06.520 --> 1:35:09.360 so you watched this movie, you reached out to the director, 1:35:09.680 --> 1:35:12.360 you did commentary, you made a documentary, and now the 1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:15.200 lawyers are saying it's all hollywood and made up, like 1:35:15.280 --> 1:35:20.280 you chased this, you know, Like I okay, but his 1:35:20.360 --> 1:35:22.679 lawyers really knew how to dance, you know, tap dance. 1:35:22.760 --> 1:35:25.200 So his name is Dick de Gourin, and to the 1:35:25.240 --> 1:35:27.519 New York Times, he said that the documentary was really 1:35:27.560 --> 1:35:30.080 an effort to trap Bob into saying something that would 1:35:30.080 --> 1:35:35.439 seem to incriminate him. Okay, like these lawyers when he 1:35:35.479 --> 1:35:38.160 reached out, it's like the BTK. 1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:41.240 He could have been he'd still be out. They were 1:35:41.280 --> 1:35:43.160 not going to find BTK. He wrote a letter to 1:35:43.200 --> 1:35:45.639 the police, and that's how they found him. Like these 1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:48.720 guys are cocky, they have kubris, you know. So. 1:35:49.040 --> 1:35:52.479 But on December twenty third, two thousand, because she was 1:35:52.520 --> 1:35:55.960 found on Christmas Eve. But on the twenty third, somebody 1:35:56.000 --> 1:35:58.360 mailed the Beverly Hills Police department a single sheet of 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:02.760 spiral notebook paper and across it it had like an 1:36:02.800 --> 1:36:06.280 address and in big block letters that said cadaver and 1:36:06.320 --> 1:36:08.760 so the and the address belonged to Susan Berman, who 1:36:08.800 --> 1:36:10.720 was shot and killed in her home, you know, the 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:13.400 same day the note was sent. So the police then 1:36:13.400 --> 1:36:16.520 found the body the next day. And in the Jings documentary, 1:36:16.520 --> 1:36:18.639 he said that the note. According to The New York Times, 1:36:19.040 --> 1:36:21.960 he quotes said the writer of the note had taken 1:36:22.000 --> 1:36:23.840 a big risk because it was something that only the 1:36:23.920 --> 1:36:24.799 killer could have written. 1:36:25.920 --> 1:36:29.000 Yeah, and somebody that I know, we do think he's 1:36:29.000 --> 1:36:31.760 a sociopath, but maybe had some kind of care for her, 1:36:31.800 --> 1:36:34.240 because you wanted that body found quickly. Yeah, he didn't 1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:34.599 want her. 1:36:34.479 --> 1:36:35.120 To like rot. 1:36:35.479 --> 1:36:38.040 Yeah, he didn't want the dogs to get She was single. 1:36:38.080 --> 1:36:40.479 And living alone, Like, yes, she would have been found 1:36:40.680 --> 1:36:41.240 not for a while. 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:44.360 Yeah, And I mean Christmas break, people are on vacation. 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:46.160 You assume people are out. It's the dog, I mean 1:36:46.160 --> 1:36:46.840 the dogs help. 1:36:47.000 --> 1:36:47.680 Yeah. 1:36:47.720 --> 1:36:50.040 But then also the neighbors did call authorities some kind 1:36:50.080 --> 1:36:50.680 of confused. 1:36:50.760 --> 1:36:53.640 Yeah, like as that's what I mean. There's just like 1:36:53.680 --> 1:36:56.360 a lot of inconsistencies when there's so much information. Maybe 1:36:56.360 --> 1:36:58.920 it's like, Okay, the dogs are loose, we'll get to it. 1:36:59.000 --> 1:37:00.920 And then they get the cadaver and they're like, let's 1:37:00.920 --> 1:37:03.559 head over there, you know, like that sort of seems 1:37:04.680 --> 1:37:07.439 that is true. It is the lapd right, it's La 1:37:07.560 --> 1:37:09.000 right yeah. 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:11.559 Yeah, and Beverly Hills, and I feel like Beverly Hills, 1:37:11.680 --> 1:37:13.840 they're a Beverly Hills police. Well no, So I went 1:37:13.880 --> 1:37:15.720 to my friends showing Beverly Hills and it is just 1:37:15.760 --> 1:37:18.040 like it feels so Republican. It's like so separate from 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:20.559 all of LA Like it is such a different vibe. 1:37:20.600 --> 1:37:22.599 My friend at Drag Race was telling me how he 1:37:22.640 --> 1:37:24.360 was in his apartment in Beverly Hills. He's lived there 1:37:24.360 --> 1:37:27.000 for years, like in an apartment building, and he's like 1:37:27.720 --> 1:37:28.960 I woke up in the night and there was a 1:37:28.960 --> 1:37:33.400 guy in my apartment and he was like, I was panicked, 1:37:33.439 --> 1:37:35.960 but like I think he just thought the guy was 1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:37.679 there to rob him and didn't realize he was home, 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:39.479 so he kind of was like hey, and the guy 1:37:39.600 --> 1:37:41.640 ran or whatever. He called the police and said that 1:37:41.680 --> 1:37:44.639 the Beverly Hills police were so nice. They made sure 1:37:44.640 --> 1:37:47.080 he was okay, they followed up with him all the time. 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:49.960 I was like, that's what money gets you, Like the 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:52.360 taxpayers of Beverly Hills are paying for that police department, 1:37:52.640 --> 1:37:56.840 you know, Like he was like they are. But then like, 1:37:56.880 --> 1:37:59.560 my friend just got robbed in Larchmont. She said the 1:37:59.560 --> 1:38:02.240 policemen really great in helping her. And I'm like, wow, 1:38:02.880 --> 1:38:04.760 but large one is rich too. Yeah, I know, but 1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:07.960 like I don't think it works yell because remember and 1:38:08.200 --> 1:38:09.960 also if you're well known, you're gonna talk shit about 1:38:10.000 --> 1:38:10.360 the police. 1:38:11.040 --> 1:38:15.559 Oh but also with SVU, we're always like, how do 1:38:15.680 --> 1:38:17.479 all the rich people how are they all friends with 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:20.720 the police commissioner? And this is why it's like I 1:38:20.760 --> 1:38:23.200 have all these assets, are like I need us close 1:38:23.240 --> 1:38:26.960 my street down from my daughter's bought mitzv or whatever 1:38:27.560 --> 1:38:29.720 valet I want to do at any time but like 1:38:29.760 --> 1:38:32.559 all of their events, their houses, their security, they're if 1:38:32.720 --> 1:38:35.680 someone gets married, they're hiring all their dominating to like 1:38:35.800 --> 1:38:38.240 the pals. So it totally makes sense because we've always 1:38:38.240 --> 1:38:40.840 been like why how does every rich person friend at 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:43.120 the police. But it makes sense because even in succession, 1:38:43.520 --> 1:38:47.880 someone commits a crime in the family and covered up, 1:38:47.960 --> 1:38:51.280 covered up immediately. That's there's not even a question. They're 1:38:51.320 --> 1:38:52.599 not even like nervous a little bit. 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:55.320 Yeah, yeah, I mean. 1:38:56.960 --> 1:39:00.920 Nuts, but like and then the perfect couple. It's like 1:39:01.000 --> 1:39:04.240 there's an old Michael Beach plays like a cop who's 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:06.439 been on the island forever, and he's like, you have 1:39:06.520 --> 1:39:08.839 to treat the rich people like they're your friends and buddies, 1:39:08.920 --> 1:39:11.080 or they'll start like putting their guards up and like 1:39:11.200 --> 1:39:13.840 not like they'll fuck with us because the newer cop 1:39:13.880 --> 1:39:16.720 wants to, like, you know, really push around, and he's like, 1:39:16.760 --> 1:39:19.080 that's not how this town works, Like you have to 1:39:19.760 --> 1:39:24.599 canoodle with the rich. So they participate because they want 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:27.679 they like feeling like, oh, this is my buddy. Yeah, 1:39:27.720 --> 1:39:29.960 like I'm a regular girl or whatever. I don't know, 1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:31.400 I'll call my friend at the precinct. 1:39:31.479 --> 1:39:35.040 Yeah. It's always like, don't make me call the police commissioner, 1:39:35.120 --> 1:39:37.880 Captain Craigan. You know, that's always what's going on on 1:39:37.920 --> 1:39:38.280 the show. 1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:42.160 Yeah, okay, So back to this letter. So for a 1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:43.639 while they were like, deny, deny, deny. 1:39:43.680 --> 1:39:44.200 He didn't write it. 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:46.240 And then finally on Christmas Eve, for some reason, the 1:39:46.280 --> 1:39:49.559 lawyers are still working and they they let the document 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:51.160 in his evidence, and they did say that he was 1:39:51.200 --> 1:39:55.080 the author of it, and the producers of the doc 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:57.120 found even more evidence. 1:39:57.280 --> 1:39:57.479 Right. 1:39:57.760 --> 1:40:01.160 So a letter he wrote to Burman in nineteen ninety nine, 1:40:01.240 --> 1:40:04.960 he misspelled Beverly Hills. He added e y at the end, 1:40:05.439 --> 1:40:08.959 and the letter he wrote to the police department he did. 1:40:08.840 --> 1:40:11.560 E y with the Beverly Hills cadab or not. 1:40:11.880 --> 1:40:16.200 So that's you know, circumstantial, but pretty good, pretty good. 1:40:16.760 --> 1:40:18.800 And his friends anonymously told The New York Times that 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:20.920 he told them that he went to her house on 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:24.360 the twenty third, saw her dead body, didn't want the 1:40:24.400 --> 1:40:27.400 dogs to gnaw on her. But he knew no one 1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:29.960 would think that it was like he was being innocent, 1:40:30.040 --> 1:40:30.960 so he couldn't. 1:40:30.640 --> 1:40:33.240 Actually like have called and been there, but he just 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:37.000 saw that she was dead Jesus. But they also did 1:40:37.160 --> 1:40:39.200 end up finding a nine millimeter handgun in his car 1:40:39.240 --> 1:40:41.280 and it's the same caliber used to shoot Berman. 1:40:41.800 --> 1:40:44.000 Oh my god, he couldn't ditch the gun. It's like 1:40:44.000 --> 1:40:46.000 he's the stupidest rich person alive. 1:40:46.680 --> 1:40:49.960 Well you just think nothing, like get the gun, grab 1:40:50.040 --> 1:40:51.880 the purse, make it look like an accident. 1:40:51.960 --> 1:40:55.920 Throw the person a dumpster somewhere, you know, like make 1:40:55.960 --> 1:40:57.639 it look like a robbery, is what I meant to say. 1:40:57.760 --> 1:41:02.200 Yeah, you know, but also like yeah, whatever, so cut too. 1:41:02.240 --> 1:41:06.800 So that's two thousand whatever, nothing ever happens, like always, 1:41:07.800 --> 1:41:08.800 time goes by. 1:41:09.200 --> 1:41:12.800 So then in two thousand and one, he's living in 1:41:12.840 --> 1:41:18.560 Texas wildly right, and his neighbor in this in Galveston 1:41:19.160 --> 1:41:20.000 is found drifting. 1:41:20.080 --> 1:41:22.519 So body parts of this neighbor. The head was never found, 1:41:23.080 --> 1:41:27.360 but bunches of this guy was floating in the Galveston Bay. 1:41:27.920 --> 1:41:29.840 A thirteen year old boy was fishing in the bay 1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:33.080 and discovered the headless Torso on September twenty eighth, two 1:41:33.080 --> 1:41:33.639 thousand and one. 1:41:33.760 --> 1:41:34.479 And well, I. 1:41:34.439 --> 1:41:37.760 Wonder if this is also another reason we didn't hear 1:41:37.760 --> 1:41:40.439 about this at the time, another nine to eleven shadow crime. 1:41:40.720 --> 1:41:43.880 You know, it was like two weeks ten days after 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:46.280 nine a art like you know, eleven. 1:41:46.720 --> 1:41:49.759 And the body was found in pieces on September thirtieth, 1:41:49.800 --> 1:41:52.439 two thousand and one, at and the guy was seventy 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:53.000 one years old. 1:41:53.160 --> 1:41:54.400 Oh my gosh. 1:41:54.439 --> 1:41:57.800 Well that's so interesting because I wonder if it's like 1:41:58.560 --> 1:42:00.880 with Trump or like New Yorkers knew these people and 1:42:00.920 --> 1:42:03.360 hated them, like New Yorkers knew they were troublemakers. 1:42:03.400 --> 1:42:05.600 And it was New York News but not other places. 1:42:06.080 --> 1:42:07.920 Yeah, because this guy didn't seem like even though he 1:42:07.960 --> 1:42:10.440 was very rich, like he wasn't running in those circles 1:42:10.439 --> 1:42:13.000 and like he wasn't kouth, you know, he didn't have 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:14.400 the manners and like the charm. 1:42:14.840 --> 1:42:17.080 No, and he's he was cheap, like they lived in 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:19.520 smaller Like he wasn't extravagant. 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:23.360 It's not like he was flashy. So the police in. 1:42:25.000 --> 1:42:27.720 Like in his car or whatever, they found receipts from 1:42:27.720 --> 1:42:30.160 a hardware store where he bought a bosaw and other 1:42:30.200 --> 1:42:33.439 items and like just a bunch of stuff and a 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:35.640 newspaper and a gun, okay so, and then in the 1:42:35.640 --> 1:42:38.439 trash can behind the house on Avenue k And in Texas, 1:42:38.520 --> 1:42:42.120 they found a twenty two caliber handgun which Durst purchased 1:42:42.160 --> 1:42:44.880 at a sporting goods store in Houston on August thirtieth. 1:42:45.800 --> 1:42:48.640 There was also blood in the hallway of the apartments, 1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:51.320 and inside Durst's apartment there was blood and a bloody knife. 1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:54.679 The neighbors sold police that he was seen loading bags 1:42:54.680 --> 1:42:57.160 into the back of a silver car. So the police 1:42:57.240 --> 1:43:00.679 zeroed in on the like so they the body parts 1:43:00.720 --> 1:43:03.479 and they're zeroing in on this neighbor that like, you know, 1:43:03.760 --> 1:43:06.720 the trash bags are happening, the bloods, like they have 1:43:06.800 --> 1:43:09.680 to find who this person is. And people said that 1:43:09.720 --> 1:43:12.080 they were like fighting all the time, what's going on? 1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:15.000 And then they realized that the neighbor Durst, is living 1:43:15.080 --> 1:43:19.519 undercover as a mute woman. Yeah, so he's using a 1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:24.120 name of an old classmate, Dorothy's signer to rent the apartment. 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:26.400 And like I said, this guy is an air to 1:43:26.439 --> 1:43:28.280 like billions of dollars and he's living in a three 1:43:28.360 --> 1:43:30.760 hundred dollars a month apartment next to this other guy, 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:35.360 like really really cheap, cheaply. But to get these apartments 1:43:35.439 --> 1:43:37.960 with all these aliases and like all these games he 1:43:38.080 --> 1:43:42.439 was playing because he had places all over he would 1:43:42.520 --> 1:43:44.799 pay like six months in advance a you're in advance, 1:43:44.880 --> 1:43:45.599 like it beant nothing. 1:43:45.640 --> 1:43:46.800 And I have actually. 1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:51.599 Wildly did this once too, because sometimes real estate people 1:43:51.640 --> 1:43:53.920 don't trust you if you don't have a regular job. 1:43:54.160 --> 1:43:56.080 So you're like, I'll pay six months. Yeah, but this 1:43:56.160 --> 1:43:58.840 ended up being my carbon monoxide home. But like, yeah, 1:43:58.920 --> 1:44:00.680 I like paid it off and then it ended up 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:02.320 being a nightmare because you have no leverage when they 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:03.920 don't do things right because they have all the money. 1:44:04.040 --> 1:44:05.200 Yeah yeah, but. 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:07.519 I was just like I'd never gotten in a part 1:44:07.560 --> 1:44:10.120 like I think LA was the first time I got 1:44:10.120 --> 1:44:13.720 a normal apartment, Like I've always just been in a 1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:16.479 shady situation. So they have to find him, and he's 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:18.640 like all over the place. There's lots of calls, like 1:44:18.680 --> 1:44:21.200 he has places in San Francisco, he has luxury buildings 1:44:21.200 --> 1:44:23.200 in Dallas, like he could truly go anywhere. 1:44:24.520 --> 1:44:25.879 But he ended up getting arrested. 1:44:25.920 --> 1:44:28.280 So he got arrested on October ninth of that year, 1:44:28.800 --> 1:44:30.640 and he was able to post the two hundred and 1:44:30.640 --> 1:44:33.720 fifty thousand dollars bond and he was found in a 1:44:33.760 --> 1:44:37.960 Holiday and Express in Texas using a fake name. So 1:44:37.960 --> 1:44:40.679 so he leaves and the thing is Texas just said 1:44:40.680 --> 1:44:44.559 that they didn't realize that he came from money like 1:44:44.600 --> 1:44:46.519 that it was a mistake and they didn't realize he 1:44:46.600 --> 1:44:47.120 was wealthy. 1:44:47.520 --> 1:44:49.240 Okay, But then later. 1:44:49.439 --> 1:44:53.800 When they made the bail like four billion dollars, the 1:44:53.840 --> 1:44:55.840 Supreme Court or something said it was unlawful and it 1:44:55.880 --> 1:44:58.000 was not appropriate and they had to lower it. And 1:44:58.000 --> 1:45:00.000 I'm like, but why is he getting bond or bailife? 1:45:00.120 --> 1:45:02.479 Why I just say no bail than do four billions? 1:45:02.520 --> 1:45:05.479 He's chopping up, But he won in court. They were like, 1:45:05.520 --> 1:45:08.759 this is not fair, and they like had to lower 1:45:08.840 --> 1:45:11.000 the cost. So it's like they either it's like two 1:45:11.040 --> 1:45:12.439 hundred fifty grand and he can pay for it and 1:45:12.479 --> 1:45:15.240 it's fine, or it was like illegal to be as 1:45:15.360 --> 1:45:18.080 much as it was. But I don't understand. There's body 1:45:18.120 --> 1:45:20.519 parts floating in a river, he's dressed as a woman, 1:45:20.560 --> 1:45:24.439 there's aliases. I don't understand why he would have to 1:45:24.439 --> 1:45:25.280 be released at all. 1:45:26.200 --> 1:45:28.200 This is it's one of the wildest stories of all time, 1:45:28.280 --> 1:45:28.880 it really is. 1:45:29.280 --> 1:45:32.120 But it's just money, right, Yeah. Like So anyway, so 1:45:32.160 --> 1:45:35.000 he leaves bond and he's on the lamb for two months. 1:45:35.000 --> 1:45:37.679 He's not found for forty five fucking days, and so 1:45:37.920 --> 1:45:39.720 the next court date he was supposed to be in 1:45:39.840 --> 1:45:44.120 was October sixteenth, and so like press comes people, media photographers, 1:45:44.120 --> 1:45:46.040 everyone's gathered up at court to see if he's going 1:45:46.120 --> 1:45:48.920 to show up. People came from New York, California. He's 1:45:48.960 --> 1:45:54.000 wanted everywhere. There's a murder everywhere by this man. And yeah, 1:45:54.040 --> 1:45:57.360 he didn't show up. So he didn't show up. So 1:45:57.479 --> 1:45:59.479 now you know, a manhunt needed to happen, and it 1:45:59.520 --> 1:46:01.839 had to be wide because he has all this property 1:46:01.880 --> 1:46:04.439 everywhere and money and assets and planes, and like my 1:46:04.520 --> 1:46:05.479 thing is, why don't. 1:46:05.240 --> 1:46:08.599 You take a jet to a different country? Yeah? 1:46:09.040 --> 1:46:10.880 Yeah, where they don't extra date? 1:46:11.479 --> 1:46:11.800 I don't know. 1:46:11.800 --> 1:46:13.759 It feels like, give you this guy kind of wanted 1:46:13.800 --> 1:46:15.519 to be caught in a way I don't know. But 1:46:15.560 --> 1:46:17.960 he's obviously aloner. Like why wouldn't you just get a plane, 1:46:18.400 --> 1:46:20.880 I know, get a plane and leave. Yeah, where do 1:46:20.960 --> 1:46:22.680 they not extra dte plenty of places? Who care? 1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:24.240 They wouldn't have been able to find him. He could 1:46:24.240 --> 1:46:26.360 have gone somewhere and then like went lived off of 1:46:26.439 --> 1:46:29.320 cash for the road. Yeah, Like I don't understand you're 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:31.160 doing all of this, but it's still like like he 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:35.000 went to Atlantic City, Like it's just like what so anyway, 1:46:35.120 --> 1:46:37.800 so he's zooming away and when they ended up finding him, 1:46:37.840 --> 1:46:41.080 he did have, you know, his murdered neighbors driver's license 1:46:41.080 --> 1:46:44.240 with them in medicare card, hit his medicare card. So 1:46:44.280 --> 1:46:47.600 he's going all over the place. It's a nationwide manhunt. 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:47.639 Like I said. 1:46:47.840 --> 1:46:52.040 And he ended up driving to like New Orleans and Alabama, 1:46:52.320 --> 1:46:55.280 and then he went to old haunts so like Connecticut, 1:46:55.320 --> 1:46:57.840 places that he met his wife, college, Atlantic City, like 1:46:57.880 --> 1:47:00.360 he was just kind of taking a road trip. So 1:47:00.439 --> 1:47:04.960 then in Pennsylvania he's finally caught up because he was 1:47:05.000 --> 1:47:07.000 stealing a sandwich and that's when he was charged with 1:47:07.040 --> 1:47:09.960 blacks murder. This was at a Wegmans off Route five 1:47:10.120 --> 1:47:13.280 twelve near Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. He got a chicken salad hero 1:47:13.400 --> 1:47:16.400 sandwich with roasted peppers for five ninety nine, stole it. 1:47:16.720 --> 1:47:18.519 Yeah. Do you know every time I think of Wegmans, 1:47:18.520 --> 1:47:21.280 I think of this because Wegmans like wasn't in my light. 1:47:21.360 --> 1:47:23.479 My sister loved Wegmans in college. And then when this 1:47:23.520 --> 1:47:26.000 came out, I was like Robert Durst at a Wegmans, 1:47:26.040 --> 1:47:28.479 like Caitlin, we were like we were obsessed. And then 1:47:28.560 --> 1:47:30.280 now It's like when whenever you're like, oh I went 1:47:30.280 --> 1:47:32.559 to Wegmans, I'm like Robert Durst there, like I always 1:47:32.600 --> 1:47:33.600 think about it. 1:47:33.600 --> 1:47:34.760 It's late forever for me. 1:47:34.920 --> 1:47:37.920 Well, the reason the employee was tipped was he the 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:40.000 employees saw him take one band aid out of a 1:47:40.040 --> 1:47:43.920 box of band aids and use it, and so he 1:47:44.000 --> 1:47:46.080 followed him around. So he took a newspaper and a sandwich, 1:47:46.200 --> 1:47:48.000 was just going to walk out, so they fucking. 1:47:47.760 --> 1:47:51.600 Got his ass. So makes no sense. I know, it's confusing. 1:47:51.640 --> 1:47:54.759 You have all these shady behavior. It's throw twenty dollars 1:47:54.840 --> 1:47:56.960 on the ground and walk out like you could have 1:47:57.000 --> 1:47:57.720 gotten away with that. 1:47:58.080 --> 1:48:00.000 It's wild. But you know sometimes peoplen' think of it, 1:48:00.360 --> 1:48:02.320 you know, they like they don't. They just walk around 1:48:02.360 --> 1:48:04.120 like nothing matters in any way. 1:48:04.240 --> 1:48:07.439 So that's how they fucking finally got him and brought 1:48:07.479 --> 1:48:10.240 him back down to do the trial. 1:48:10.320 --> 1:48:13.240 But guess what, he's acquitted. Of course, he's acquidted. 1:48:13.240 --> 1:48:17.280 He's found with this man's ID Medicare card, he's dressed 1:48:17.320 --> 1:48:20.200 like a woman next to him, like there's blood in 1:48:20.240 --> 1:48:23.560 his apartment, all of this stuff, and he's fucking acquitted. 1:48:23.920 --> 1:48:28.360 The Texas jury believed Durst's claims that he killed this 1:48:28.439 --> 1:48:31.080 guy in self defense and disposed of the body in 1:48:31.120 --> 1:48:35.559 a panic, and there's no specifics, like, it's just they 1:48:35.600 --> 1:48:37.720 both reached for the gun, like that is it. And 1:48:37.720 --> 1:48:39.320 he's like, yeah, we both reached for the gun after 1:48:39.320 --> 1:48:42.240 a fight and it blew off his head and that's that. Yeah, 1:48:42.280 --> 1:48:44.280 And the jury's like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, No, 1:48:44.400 --> 1:48:47.519 he didn't kill him, He just dismembered his body. I 1:48:47.520 --> 1:48:50.599 think it's fine, right, this man's safe to be out 1:48:50.600 --> 1:48:54.639 and about, like self defense for what. He had four 1:48:54.640 --> 1:48:57.960 hours of testimony at the Galveston County Courthouse, and according 1:48:58.000 --> 1:49:00.760 to The New York Times, he said, and I kept 1:49:00.760 --> 1:49:03.200 going over the situation in my mind, Morris was shot 1:49:03.240 --> 1:49:05.120 in the face with my gun in my apartment that 1:49:05.160 --> 1:49:07.760 I rented, disguised as a woman. I just didn't think 1:49:07.760 --> 1:49:12.320 that anyone would ever believe me. Well they did, They 1:49:12.439 --> 1:49:16.520 somehow fucking did. Over the next eighteen hours, he testified 1:49:16.520 --> 1:49:19.519 that he sought off mister Black's head, arm legs, wrapped 1:49:19.520 --> 1:49:22.400 the torsto and body parts and plastic bags, drove down 1:49:22.400 --> 1:49:24.240 to the pier, admitted to all of this that like 1:49:24.280 --> 1:49:28.920 he dumped it. He said everything and he was just like, yeah, 1:49:28.920 --> 1:49:31.720 I just didn't know what to do. And Prosecution's like, 1:49:31.760 --> 1:49:34.080 this is bullshit. He's way more cold and calculated. He 1:49:34.120 --> 1:49:36.960 took very shrewd steps to evade detection. It was a 1:49:37.000 --> 1:49:39.720 forty five day nationwide man high, Like this guy isn't 1:49:39.760 --> 1:49:42.200 just like a bumbling idiot who accidentally shot this guy's 1:49:42.240 --> 1:49:42.639 head off. 1:49:43.520 --> 1:49:46.160 And then it's like most people, I would say most 1:49:46.160 --> 1:49:48.720 people that would just like, you accidentally kill someone and 1:49:48.720 --> 1:49:51.880 you're like, they're never gonna believe me. You like wrap 1:49:51.960 --> 1:49:54.080 the body up in a carpet, you try to go 1:49:54.200 --> 1:49:58.680 bury it somewhere. You're not dismembering it into small parts. 1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:00.360 I would not be able to to do that. 1:50:00.360 --> 1:50:01.880 I would rather go to jail than do that, to 1:50:01.920 --> 1:50:05.160 be honest, than to chop up a body. Yeah, but 1:50:05.200 --> 1:50:07.719 we also learned from Breaking Bad. You could use the acid, sure, 1:50:07.720 --> 1:50:09.400 but the acid fell through the apartment below. 1:50:09.520 --> 1:50:11.400 Yeah, but that's because he didn't listen to the directions 1:50:11.400 --> 1:50:13.519 that Brian Cranston gave him. He said to do it 1:50:13.520 --> 1:50:15.280 in a rubber maid, and he didn't listen and did 1:50:15.280 --> 1:50:19.320 it in the tub. And like their science, Yeah, he's 1:50:19.360 --> 1:50:22.559 the chemistry teacher. Someone was telling her part that Breaking 1:50:22.640 --> 1:50:26.880 Bad is so accurate because Vince Gilligan was like he 1:50:26.960 --> 1:50:30.679 didn't want any fucking nerds to be like, well, blah 1:50:30.680 --> 1:50:34.400 blah blah, everything was proven, so he'd be like, actually, no, 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:37.320 and they had experiments and they had just like all 1:50:37.360 --> 1:50:40.040 of this evidence for anything, so no fucking nerd can 1:50:40.120 --> 1:50:41.120 like poke a hole in all. 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:47.000 Yeah, good for you. He's like, no one's gonna actually me. Yeah. 1:50:47.040 --> 1:50:49.960 But he did plead guilty to bond jumping and evidence 1:50:50.040 --> 1:50:53.880 tampering and to the disposal of the body, so he 1:50:53.960 --> 1:50:57.639 got so he pled guilty to tampering with the dead body, 1:50:57.960 --> 1:50:58.320 but not. 1:50:58.360 --> 1:51:01.439 The murder, killing the body, so dismembering him. But he 1:51:01.479 --> 1:51:04.519 got five years. You got something. And there's literally no 1:51:04.680 --> 1:51:08.240 other leads on anyone else that could do this, Like 1:51:08.400 --> 1:51:10.400 no one has access to the apartment, no one else's 1:51:10.479 --> 1:51:11.960 DNA or hair was found. 1:51:11.720 --> 1:51:15.160 Like this is it's it's so crazy. 1:51:15.360 --> 1:51:20.200 So when the HBO docuseries started, like the goal an 1:51:20.240 --> 1:51:22.920 effort was to uncover his connection to these crimes, like 1:51:23.000 --> 1:51:24.720 everyone thought he was guilty and that was it. So 1:51:25.040 --> 1:51:28.840 it starts airing February of twenty fifteen, and you know 1:51:28.960 --> 1:51:31.439 that is the famous confession the last episode over a 1:51:31.479 --> 1:51:33.960 hot Mike. What the hell did I? So he goes 1:51:34.120 --> 1:51:37.160 he's in the bathroom. He's like, Washington, I don't remember 1:51:37.160 --> 1:51:38.680 where he was in the bathroom at this point, but 1:51:38.720 --> 1:51:40.720 he still makes up. And that's what fucked, because when 1:51:40.720 --> 1:51:42.360 you go to the bathroom, the mike wire does move 1:51:42.400 --> 1:51:44.439 and it's going. I was listening to an interview with 1:51:44.479 --> 1:51:47.400 Sidney Sweeney talking about all her like costumes throughout all 1:51:47.439 --> 1:51:49.400 the shows she's done, and I think it was for 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:53.280 Handmaid's Tale or it was the Covenant one. But the 1:51:53.320 --> 1:51:57.519 costume director is so amazing the costume designer that she 1:51:58.040 --> 1:52:01.479 sews in wires into all of the outfits in the 1:52:01.520 --> 1:52:03.960 seam with a pocket, so you just have to put 1:52:04.000 --> 1:52:05.760 a battery in and plug it and that's it. 1:52:05.840 --> 1:52:09.000 The wire is so into the garment. So smart. 1:52:09.800 --> 1:52:12.080 That's one of this, like, hey, I do mind if 1:52:12.120 --> 1:52:14.400 I get in there? Like no, you have to have 1:52:14.439 --> 1:52:16.640 it in between your thoughts or hanging or whatever. Like 1:52:16.680 --> 1:52:18.960 it's just in the clothes. And that is why more 1:52:18.960 --> 1:52:20.759 women need to be in charge of stuff. 1:52:20.840 --> 1:52:24.759 Yeah smart, Like every sound guy is just like digging 1:52:24.800 --> 1:52:27.479 into your body, your tights and like what the fuck 1:52:27.560 --> 1:52:31.840 when you could, in theory be sewing the wires in 1:52:31.880 --> 1:52:32.519 the costumes. 1:52:32.600 --> 1:52:34.400 Yeah, that's so funny. 1:52:34.640 --> 1:52:37.400 Anyway, So he has this cool you know the mic 1:52:37.479 --> 1:52:38.920 on he goes, what the hell did I do? 1:52:39.200 --> 1:52:39.800 Killed them? All? 1:52:39.880 --> 1:52:45.200 Of course changed everything. So March fourteenth, twenty fifteen, he's 1:52:45.280 --> 1:52:49.120 arrested for Burman's murder. And this was the night before 1:52:49.160 --> 1:52:51.920 the finale of The Jinx aired on March fifteenth, twenty fifteen. 1:52:52.439 --> 1:52:55.519 I remember this. I mean it was like the internet 1:52:55.520 --> 1:52:58.599 was on fire. But did you watch Chimp Crazy? Oh? 1:52:58.760 --> 1:52:59.360 Not yet? 1:53:00.280 --> 1:53:02.320 I started. I started it and then something. 1:53:02.400 --> 1:53:04.599 No, it's fine. They're just like ethics in terms of like, 1:53:04.640 --> 1:53:07.080 so something's going on, and they're like, what are the 1:53:07.080 --> 1:53:10.240 ethics involved of us continuing the documentary versus us having 1:53:10.240 --> 1:53:11.880 to tell the authorities what's happening? 1:53:11.960 --> 1:53:15.000 Yeah, And I am curious about this, like did they 1:53:15.040 --> 1:53:17.719 film it all and tell them right away? 1:53:17.840 --> 1:53:17.920 No? 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:20.000 Because you got to like did they tell him on 1:53:20.080 --> 1:53:23.519 the thirteenth? Like I want to know the when the 1:53:23.560 --> 1:53:26.040 documentarians let the police in on the evidence. 1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:31.280 I think they must have let them know before this aired. 1:53:31.600 --> 1:53:34.840 Sure, but not but before the first episode aired or 1:53:34.880 --> 1:53:36.080 before the last episode aired. 1:53:36.080 --> 1:53:37.840 With the confession. It must have been done when it 1:53:37.880 --> 1:53:41.080 started airing, right, sure, But they didn't arrest the until 1:53:41.080 --> 1:53:43.559 the day before the finale aired. So where was he? 1:53:46.160 --> 1:53:49.360 I don't know, Like what what are what? What? You 1:53:49.439 --> 1:53:50.960 just let a killer run around town? 1:53:51.439 --> 1:53:52.360 Yeah? 1:53:52.680 --> 1:53:57.519 I remember reading about this though, like they didn't find 1:53:57.600 --> 1:54:00.120 they didn't find it. They like added it in to 1:54:00.160 --> 1:54:03.240 the final episode or something. So I think they told 1:54:03.280 --> 1:54:05.840 the police as soon as possible. I don't think they 1:54:05.840 --> 1:54:06.439 were sketchy. 1:54:06.720 --> 1:54:10.679 Yeah, but girl, it's been edited fully, Like why would 1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:13.400 you arrest the day before it comes out they knew 1:54:13.479 --> 1:54:14.000 before then? 1:54:15.320 --> 1:54:15.759 Yeah? 1:54:15.880 --> 1:54:17.800 Or did the cops just want to do it for fun? 1:54:17.880 --> 1:54:18.920 Like I just don't get it. 1:54:19.920 --> 1:54:21.240 Yeah, but whatever. 1:54:21.520 --> 1:54:24.640 Charged with first degree murder, the prosecutors alleged that he 1:54:24.720 --> 1:54:27.200 killed Berman for knowing too much about the disappearance of 1:54:27.240 --> 1:54:30.240 his wife. She helped conceal the truth for all those years, 1:54:30.280 --> 1:54:33.560 and over one hundred people testified during that trial for decades. 1:54:34.160 --> 1:54:36.200 You know, Durris lied and said he wasn't in La 1:54:36.280 --> 1:54:38.000 at the time, but finally the. 1:54:38.200 --> 1:54:39.800 Attorney admitted that he was in La. 1:54:39.880 --> 1:54:42.800 He spent the holidays with her, but he found her 1:54:42.880 --> 1:54:46.360 dead and that Bob showed up and you know panicked 1:54:46.400 --> 1:54:49.040 and wrote the anonymous letter because he did care about her. 1:54:49.600 --> 1:54:50.680 But none of this matter. 1:54:50.720 --> 1:54:54.240 September seventeenth, twenty twenty one, Durst is convicted of Bermant's 1:54:54.880 --> 1:54:59.720 deaths more than two decades after, so on October fourteenth, 1:55:00.720 --> 1:55:02.880 he is sentenced to life in prison at seventy eight 1:55:02.960 --> 1:55:03.440 years old. 1:55:03.520 --> 1:55:06.640 So he really got away with a lot of murders. Yeah, 1:55:06.680 --> 1:55:07.720 for many decades. 1:55:08.240 --> 1:55:11.360 He was sentenced to life, and he tested positive for 1:55:11.400 --> 1:55:14.520 COVID and died like days after, like a few days after. 1:55:15.280 --> 1:55:20.560 I mean, yeah, dead, he wins. Oh, and this billionaire 1:55:20.560 --> 1:55:25.360 guy wins even in death. In California, when a defendant 1:55:25.400 --> 1:55:29.800 dies and the case is on appeal, the conviction is vacated. So, 1:55:29.840 --> 1:55:33.320 despite being convicted by a jury because of his death, 1:55:33.440 --> 1:55:36.280 Durst's conviction in the murder of Berman was vacated and 1:55:36.360 --> 1:55:41.200 no longer stands, according to ABC News. So who's old 1:55:41.280 --> 1:55:43.720 died of COVID in appeals and none of this is 1:55:43.760 --> 1:55:45.440 on his leg. I mean he's a killer, and we 1:55:45.480 --> 1:55:48.080 all know it's yeah, yeah, we all know he's a killer, 1:55:48.160 --> 1:55:49.280 whether the law says it or not. 1:55:49.520 --> 1:55:51.720 And her family gets closure or whatever, But that is 1:55:51.840 --> 1:55:55.480 that is why why you don't want to take someone's 1:55:55.520 --> 1:56:01.000 reputation after death, just vacate and yeah, so but forth, Yeah, 1:56:01.520 --> 1:56:07.120 body never found poor Kathy, but anyways, he's dead. He 1:56:07.200 --> 1:56:11.560 killed all these people, and it was an electric time, 1:56:11.640 --> 1:56:14.440 the Jinks time. Oh my god, we were all really 1:56:15.360 --> 1:56:18.960 like just a little Google search though, which by the way, 1:56:19.240 --> 1:56:21.160 all the top results now are AI, So I never 1:56:21.200 --> 1:56:23.600 have any idea if anything's right or not. But it 1:56:23.680 --> 1:56:26.400 seems like the Jinks people gave some evidence to the police, 1:56:26.440 --> 1:56:30.160 it says twenty thirteen. But some people do think that 1:56:30.200 --> 1:56:34.120 they held evidence to make the show more dramatic. They 1:56:34.160 --> 1:56:36.240 withheld them were like, I mean, I guess they could 1:56:36.280 --> 1:56:38.480 always just say like, oh, we didn't we didn't know, 1:56:38.640 --> 1:56:41.120 we just we just found out here take it, and 1:56:41.120 --> 1:56:42.960 then they could say that they were sliding the scene 1:56:43.000 --> 1:56:47.560 into the finale because the timing is wild. The day before, 1:56:48.320 --> 1:56:50.160 I remember the weekend was like running around in New 1:56:50.240 --> 1:56:52.920 York and was like this, could not wait to get 1:56:52.920 --> 1:56:55.920 home and watch the finale of the Jinks. Oh god, 1:56:56.240 --> 1:56:58.320 I'm sick. We're all sick. We love watching this kind 1:56:58.360 --> 1:57:02.640 of shit, but this the sickest. I mean, I want 1:57:02.640 --> 1:57:04.680 to rewatch everything. I'm gonna watch Jinks Part two. 1:57:04.880 --> 1:57:04.920 Me. 1:57:05.120 --> 1:57:08.240 I'm early like I got to relive all of this. 1:57:08.440 --> 1:57:11.000 Honestly, let's watch Jinks Part two and chat about which 1:57:11.000 --> 1:57:12.800 I think that's what this podcast is supposed to be 1:57:12.840 --> 1:57:13.360 reliving it. 1:57:13.520 --> 1:57:15.840 But it's a busy time in our lives. 1:57:15.920 --> 1:57:20.040 Yeah, all right, let's get onto the interview because it's 1:57:20.080 --> 1:57:30.720 a good one. Our guest today is a distinguished actor 1:57:30.920 --> 1:57:33.520 who won a Best Actor Tony in two thousand and 1:57:33.560 --> 1:57:35.840 four for the play I Am My Own Wife. He 1:57:36.000 --> 1:57:38.960 was recently in Perry Mason and I Am the Knight. 1:57:39.240 --> 1:57:41.200 But you know him if you're me, you know him 1:57:41.200 --> 1:57:44.760 forever and always as the medical examiner turned serial killer 1:57:45.040 --> 1:57:48.919 doctor Carl Rudnick. Please enjoy our conversation with the amazing 1:57:49.000 --> 1:57:51.320 Jefferson mays Hi Jello. 1:57:52.680 --> 1:57:56.760 Hello, Cara, you're there. Oh there, you're visible. 1:57:57.000 --> 1:57:58.560 Love It so nice to meet you. 1:57:58.960 --> 1:57:59.760 It's lovely to meet you. 1:58:00.000 --> 1:58:04.440 I'm thrilled you look sharp. Is this how you regularly dress? 1:58:04.720 --> 1:58:06.400 I always dress up for podcasts. 1:58:06.480 --> 1:58:12.560 Yeah, I love it's amazing. Well, we're thrilled to have 1:58:12.600 --> 1:58:17.120 you here. Your character is unique. 1:58:17.400 --> 1:58:20.640 You know, we've we've never had anyone to be flipped 1:58:20.680 --> 1:58:22.960 from the inside, and I don't know. So when you 1:58:23.000 --> 1:58:25.880 got hired in season sixteen, did you know your full arc? 1:58:26.280 --> 1:58:28.240 Did you know how it was all going to end? 1:58:28.520 --> 1:58:29.720 Or was that a surprise? 1:58:30.120 --> 1:58:33.320 That was a complete surprise to me, because I you 1:58:33.320 --> 1:58:35.760 know i'd make done. I think I'd done a couple 1:58:35.840 --> 1:58:39.040 of the derivatives, you know, the mothership and criminal intent, 1:58:39.400 --> 1:58:42.240 you know, playing a hapless attorney, but I guess they're 1:58:42.280 --> 1:58:46.680 all happless attorneys on't because they have to lose, and 1:58:46.680 --> 1:58:49.040 and a head master of a public school. But this 1:58:49.120 --> 1:58:52.040 is the first time I was approached by Warren Light 1:58:52.280 --> 1:58:55.600 who asked me to come and be the duty emmy. 1:58:56.440 --> 1:58:58.920 And I was in a state of euphoria. I thought, 1:58:58.960 --> 1:59:01.040 my ship could find me, come in. This will be 1:59:01.200 --> 1:59:04.160 years of work, episode upon episode. Some people have been 1:59:04.200 --> 1:59:06.560 out it for like two hundred and sixty four episodes, 1:59:07.000 --> 1:59:09.800 and I thought, my God traded Joe's for years and 1:59:09.880 --> 1:59:14.640 a trip to Tuloom. And so I was thrilled, of course, 1:59:14.680 --> 1:59:16.880 and I said, yes, I'll do it, and you know, 1:59:17.080 --> 1:59:20.120 just a couple of do an expert testimony and an 1:59:20.160 --> 1:59:24.840 autopsy and you're done. And so I did the first 1:59:24.840 --> 1:59:28.680 two episodes, and I thought seems to be going well, 1:59:28.720 --> 1:59:31.560 and Warren came sidling up to me and took me 1:59:31.600 --> 1:59:33.840 by the elbow and said, can I talk to you 1:59:34.400 --> 1:59:38.760 about your character? And I immediately felt the worst, being 1:59:38.760 --> 1:59:42.600 an insecure actor, and he ushered me into a disused 1:59:42.680 --> 1:59:45.520 chord or on the set and says, we've been thinking 1:59:45.920 --> 1:59:48.560 about the arc and we think he might be a 1:59:48.640 --> 1:59:52.520 serial killer. And this just hit me out of the blue, 1:59:53.000 --> 1:59:55.800 and I thought part of me thought this is fantastic. 1:59:55.880 --> 1:59:58.560 I love villains. But then the other part of me says, well, 1:59:59.200 --> 2:00:02.440 this is going to be lived, because surely I can't 2:00:02.480 --> 2:00:06.960 be killing people for five years. No, I'm discovered, So 2:00:07.000 --> 2:00:09.040 I knew it was all coming to an end. And 2:00:09.040 --> 2:00:11.200 then I tossed in turn that by thinking what sort 2:00:11.240 --> 2:00:14.280 of vibe must I have been emanating in my first 2:00:14.280 --> 2:00:17.360 two episodes? Because I thought I'm being an upstanding, hard 2:00:17.400 --> 2:00:22.000 working public servant, But evidently I must have been exuding 2:00:22.080 --> 2:00:27.160 some sort of some sort of malevolent, various vibe that 2:00:27.200 --> 2:00:29.400 they picked up on and said let's let's get rid 2:00:29.440 --> 2:00:31.240 of him. And then and then you said, have you 2:00:31.280 --> 2:00:35.640 seen the Jinx, Yes, which is of course the documentary 2:00:35.800 --> 2:00:42.360 about Robert Durst and all of his murderous antics. He 2:00:42.480 --> 2:00:44.640 and I said, no, I'm aware of Robert Durst. And 2:00:44.640 --> 2:00:46.600 you said, go home and watch the Jinks and then we'll, 2:00:46.880 --> 2:00:49.160 you know, talk later. So that's how it began. 2:00:49.800 --> 2:00:53.200 Okay, So then when you watch the Jinks, what did 2:00:53.240 --> 2:00:55.720 you think? Because that was a wild moment in television 2:00:55.720 --> 2:00:56.720 that was happening. 2:00:56.440 --> 2:00:59.960 That was that was indeed, it was a compelling view. 2:01:00.360 --> 2:01:00.560 Yeah. 2:01:00.640 --> 2:01:02.400 I remember my wife and I sort of lay in 2:01:02.440 --> 2:01:05.320 bed and watched the entire thing and and I said, oh, 2:01:05.360 --> 2:01:07.760 I don't I don't think I look like Robert Durrist. 2:01:07.920 --> 2:01:11.720 I can be a simulate room of that. And it 2:01:11.800 --> 2:01:15.600 was a fascinating tale. And as you know, they took 2:01:15.680 --> 2:01:17.960 bits of it for the episode. I think there was 2:01:18.080 --> 2:01:21.440 a scene of me sort of mumbling my confession into 2:01:21.480 --> 2:01:25.200 a microphone on camera. Yes, that's how they that's how 2:01:25.200 --> 2:01:26.120 they caught both of us. 2:01:26.280 --> 2:01:29.960 And the cross dressing, of course, of course, was the 2:01:30.000 --> 2:01:30.600 cross dressing. 2:01:30.800 --> 2:01:33.800 Yes, yeah, And I don't think I looked any better 2:01:33.840 --> 2:01:36.480 in women's clothes than he did. I was. That was 2:01:36.480 --> 2:01:41.880 a revelation. I looked very homely in my various drag outfits. 2:01:42.160 --> 2:01:43.600 I could send them to you do you want to see. 2:01:43.640 --> 2:01:45.320 Can I send pictures of that? 2:01:46.600 --> 2:01:48.200 Oh? Yeah, we'd loved. 2:01:49.440 --> 2:01:52.000 I could send you an email or a text. Yeah, 2:01:52.000 --> 2:01:54.920 I have them up here. But anyway, you've done it. 2:01:54.920 --> 2:01:56.640 You've done a ton of theater, You've done a ton 2:01:56.680 --> 2:01:58.800 of acting. Had you ever dressed as a woman before 2:01:59.360 --> 2:01:59.800 I had? 2:02:01.120 --> 2:02:04.040 I had. I spent over a year on Broadway as 2:02:04.080 --> 2:02:10.080 a sixty five year old gay East German trans person. Oh, 2:02:10.440 --> 2:02:13.440 Charlotte von Mahlsdorf and a one person show, so maybe 2:02:13.440 --> 2:02:17.200 they got into that. Actually, that was my first Law 2:02:17.240 --> 2:02:21.040 and Order audition ever, which was probably the most hideous 2:02:21.080 --> 2:02:25.520 audition I ever had for anything, in which I was 2:02:25.560 --> 2:02:30.480 called in to portray a share impersonator early in this century, 2:02:30.560 --> 2:02:34.920 and if you look at me, I don't exactly radiate shareness. 2:02:36.080 --> 2:02:38.560 And I went in. I was on my way to 2:02:38.600 --> 2:02:41.840 a garden party, an engagement party in Westchester a friend, 2:02:41.840 --> 2:02:44.000 and I was in a linen suit with a straw boater, 2:02:44.440 --> 2:02:46.360 and I thought, I'll just stop vibe appears on my 2:02:46.400 --> 2:02:50.240 way and do the audition and go up state. And 2:02:50.920 --> 2:02:52.800 I walked into the room and of course everyone just 2:02:52.840 --> 2:02:56.480 looked at me Ashman and said in the producer I 2:02:56.480 --> 2:02:59.560 think said is this some sort of joke. I said, no, 2:02:59.600 --> 2:03:04.040 I'm here to read for Sharonburs And then I read it, 2:03:04.080 --> 2:03:07.000 and as with most traumatic experiences in my life, I 2:03:07.040 --> 2:03:10.120 sort of went into a blackout state. So I don't 2:03:10.160 --> 2:03:12.760 remember much about it. I just remember coming to drinking 2:03:13.120 --> 2:03:14.760 gin and tonics up in Westchester. 2:03:16.240 --> 2:03:17.800 Well that's a pretty way to add, that's a pretty 2:03:17.840 --> 2:03:20.400 good way to come out of a blackout. I would say, yeah, 2:03:20.440 --> 2:03:22.600 you know, are you having a martini right now? 2:03:23.000 --> 2:03:26.560 I am not having a martini. This is a little 2:03:26.600 --> 2:03:31.760 silvillen Blanc left over from lunch, a very very small glass. 2:03:32.080 --> 2:03:37.720 It's one o'clock here. My martini arrives in three hours. 2:03:38.880 --> 2:03:41.800 Did you meet Warren through theater stuff or just. 2:03:42.000 --> 2:03:44.440 I knew him through the theater? Yes, he's just an 2:03:44.440 --> 2:03:48.040 extraordinary playwright in his own right. I remember just encountering 2:03:48.080 --> 2:03:53.160 and at Williamstown and various regional theaters where our paths crossed. 2:03:53.640 --> 2:03:56.000 But that's that's one of the many splendid things, as 2:03:56.040 --> 2:03:58.760 you know about law and orders, that they employed theater actors. 2:03:58.760 --> 2:04:00.440 I think I'd go so far to say that support 2:04:00.520 --> 2:04:04.880 us in our expensive habits. But they've been you know, 2:04:05.120 --> 2:04:06.800 it's wonderful I don't think you can be a New 2:04:06.880 --> 2:04:09.920 York theater actor and not appear on Law and Order 2:04:09.960 --> 2:04:12.720 at some point, so de riguer I think they take 2:04:12.760 --> 2:04:15.960 your cards away if you don't do it. A lot 2:04:15.960 --> 2:04:17.640 of people have. A friend of mine had an idea 2:04:17.680 --> 2:04:21.800 for their final season's finale just having under over the 2:04:21.840 --> 2:04:25.120 credits with the credits at the last episode, like a 2:04:25.200 --> 2:04:27.840 helicopter shot of all the actors who have never been 2:04:27.840 --> 2:04:29.840 in a Law and Order running to the end of 2:04:29.880 --> 2:04:32.360 the twenty third Street peer holding their head shots and 2:04:32.400 --> 2:04:34.640 resumes and saying, wait, don't. 2:04:34.400 --> 2:04:36.360 Go, don't close. 2:04:37.200 --> 2:04:39.680 Oh my god, that's so funny. I was gonna say 2:04:39.720 --> 2:04:40.800 rednecks iconic. 2:04:40.880 --> 2:04:45.240 You know, there's not very many serial killers on SVU. 2:04:45.360 --> 2:04:48.640 It's usually one and done's do you get recognized around 2:04:48.640 --> 2:04:49.080 New York? 2:04:49.280 --> 2:04:51.040 Do people really? I do? Yeah? 2:04:51.120 --> 2:04:53.480 And beyond New York. Yeah, it's probably the thing that 2:04:53.520 --> 2:04:58.000 I'm most recognized for in very specific places, always like 2:04:58.400 --> 2:05:01.200 airport bars. It seems to always happen. 2:05:01.480 --> 2:05:03.680 Well, I bet it's people that travel for work and 2:05:03.680 --> 2:05:04.920 they watch it in hotels all the day. 2:05:04.920 --> 2:05:07.160 They just saw me five minutes, Yeah, on the back 2:05:07.240 --> 2:05:09.600 of the seat in front of them, and yeah, and 2:05:09.640 --> 2:05:13.959 then and ts a checkpoints, you know, which is always unsettling. 2:05:14.120 --> 2:05:17.160 You know when they when a cup quasi cop brings 2:05:17.160 --> 2:05:19.880 it up. Uh. And then there are and then there's 2:05:19.960 --> 2:05:24.000 horrible moments, uh, like as the doors close on the 2:05:24.160 --> 2:05:28.440 Uptown one train, someone screams murderer, you know, as the 2:05:28.520 --> 2:05:32.760 train takes off. But but it's but it's it's kind 2:05:32.760 --> 2:05:34.320 of it's kind of nice. And I always try to 2:05:34.320 --> 2:05:36.160 tell people a much nicer life. 2:05:36.800 --> 2:05:39.360 Well, I've seen you, and I've seen you in other things. 2:05:39.400 --> 2:05:41.760 I watched you in season one of Perry Mason, and 2:05:41.800 --> 2:05:43.520 I've seen you in other things. But every time I 2:05:43.520 --> 2:05:45.640 see you, I always just go, oh my god, there's Rudnick. 2:05:45.760 --> 2:05:47.040 You know, I write, that's right. 2:05:47.320 --> 2:05:51.240 I was playing another medical examiner. Yes, in Perry Mason. 2:05:51.280 --> 2:05:53.280 I seem to get that a lot. I'm always in 2:05:53.320 --> 2:05:55.040 a white coat with a bone saw. 2:05:55.360 --> 2:05:55.600 Yes. 2:05:55.960 --> 2:05:59.240 And then I noticed that also you were in. So 2:05:59.360 --> 2:06:02.040 I didn't actually watched this show I am the Knight, 2:06:02.120 --> 2:06:04.560 but I watched the Company. I listened to the accompanying 2:06:04.600 --> 2:06:07.200 podcast called The Root of Evil that was all about 2:06:07.200 --> 2:06:09.960 doctor George Hodell, who you play. That's right in this 2:06:10.120 --> 2:06:13.920 in this TNT limited series, I think yes, and he's 2:06:13.960 --> 2:06:17.600 another like doctor who might be a serial killer. 2:06:17.840 --> 2:06:21.600 That's right, I'm sensing a pattern here. Yeah, yeah, it's 2:06:21.640 --> 2:06:25.640 are They're hard roles to play. I mean you always 2:06:25.680 --> 2:06:28.720 have to say, you know, words like exanguination, you know, 2:06:28.880 --> 2:06:32.400 subarrachnoid hemorrhage of the right cerebrum, and I always have 2:06:32.480 --> 2:06:34.960 a hard time committing those to memory. 2:06:35.800 --> 2:06:36.320 Yeah. 2:06:36.360 --> 2:06:39.160 So if I'm very stressful to be trying to handle 2:06:39.200 --> 2:06:41.720 a bone saw and take pictures of corps and then 2:06:42.000 --> 2:06:46.280 rattle off what is to my nonsense scientific mind, utter gibberish, 2:06:46.360 --> 2:06:47.720 you know, trying to make sense of it. 2:06:47.800 --> 2:06:52.080 Yeah, because that body, those body parts were intricate, I 2:06:52.080 --> 2:06:54.040 feel in one of your Episodeseah, it's like she was 2:06:54.080 --> 2:06:55.280 all hacked up and. 2:06:55.560 --> 2:07:00.360 Right member m h Yeah. My friend, my friend married Bacon, 2:07:00.400 --> 2:07:03.240 bless her heart. It's always you always run into people 2:07:03.280 --> 2:07:05.920 you know or have worked with either on the slab. 2:07:08.880 --> 2:07:11.240 But yes, we had a bit of fun. I you know, 2:07:12.440 --> 2:07:15.800 the whole arc of this character sort of blurs into 2:07:15.880 --> 2:07:19.000 one long, complicated episode. I have a hard time thinking 2:07:19.040 --> 2:07:24.480 of scenes and any sort of separately. But I found 2:07:24.800 --> 2:07:29.040 Mary Bacon's severed head in the prompts departments, and then 2:07:29.400 --> 2:07:30.880 I brought it on set with me and had it. 2:07:30.920 --> 2:07:33.720 I was in the hospital bed recovering from my doctor 2:07:33.800 --> 2:07:36.520 yates and flicted wounds, and I had her sort of 2:07:36.800 --> 2:07:41.240 cuddled under my chin and rocking. I sent a picture 2:07:41.320 --> 2:07:43.720 of it to Marry and she never wrote backs. I'm 2:07:43.720 --> 2:07:46.040 not sure how it went, how it went down? 2:07:46.640 --> 2:07:47.200 Oh my god? 2:07:47.240 --> 2:07:49.440 And did you know Dallas Roberts. 2:07:49.760 --> 2:07:51.400 Yes, yes, I've known Dallas. 2:07:51.920 --> 2:07:55.080 Yeah, you guys have a nice little creepy dynamic frenemies. 2:07:55.240 --> 2:07:58.640 Yes, you cannot have anything but a creepy dynamic with 2:07:58.720 --> 2:07:59.560 Dallas Roberts. 2:08:00.360 --> 2:08:01.600 We had him on the podcast. 2:08:01.680 --> 2:08:02.480 We loved really. 2:08:02.720 --> 2:08:06.800 Yeah, he's gorgeous. Yeah, he's wonderful, wonderful after and it 2:08:06.840 --> 2:08:09.520 was fun to be with him in prison. 2:08:09.640 --> 2:08:13.680 I think it was, yeah, bringing you back because like 2:08:13.760 --> 2:08:16.240 after yours, you know, you could have been gone forever 2:08:16.320 --> 2:08:18.760 after they catch you, but then they have your prison 2:08:18.880 --> 2:08:25.200 escape and you guys are unlikely likely sort of prison buddies, 2:08:25.360 --> 2:08:26.520 but also an evil. 2:08:26.800 --> 2:08:29.760 Who do you think is more danger? He's probably he's worse. 2:08:29.640 --> 2:08:32.760 Than obviously one. Yeah, I think, yes, I think I 2:08:32.760 --> 2:08:35.600 think Rudnick, for all of his evils, has a clickering 2:08:35.640 --> 2:08:39.040 of the soul of some kind and yeah, but but 2:08:39.280 --> 2:08:42.880 as I recall, Dallas beat me almost to death with 2:08:42.960 --> 2:08:45.520 a hammer or something. I don't know. I just remember 2:08:45.680 --> 2:08:48.480 my legs shattered, lying in the bilge of a of 2:08:48.520 --> 2:08:51.000 a cabin cruiser in the dead of winter. I think 2:08:51.040 --> 2:08:52.240 that's how they found me. 2:08:52.880 --> 2:08:54.760 You got to do a lot of you. You know, 2:08:54.800 --> 2:08:56.320 they set it up in the in the. 2:08:56.200 --> 2:09:00.960 Sort of the two episode arc they had, they set 2:09:01.040 --> 2:09:04.200 up you and Peter Scanavino's character really kind of hitting 2:09:04.240 --> 2:09:06.800 it off, like he's like he's like he's like, even 2:09:06.920 --> 2:09:09.080 after I transported the guy all the way back to 2:09:09.080 --> 2:09:10.960 New York, I kind of miss him, like he misses 2:09:11.000 --> 2:09:11.560 your character. 2:09:11.680 --> 2:09:14.480 Though, I think that that was intentional they I mean, 2:09:14.720 --> 2:09:17.520 he's such a lovely fellow, Peter, Peter and Kelly's a 2:09:17.560 --> 2:09:22.040 lovely fellow. Yeah, but you know, Warren said, we wanted 2:09:22.040 --> 2:09:27.320 to echo or pay homage to that film Midnight Run. 2:09:27.800 --> 2:09:30.800 Do you remember that with Charles Groden, Yeah, and Robert 2:09:30.880 --> 2:09:34.880 de Niro, And they're an unlikely pair. I think Robert 2:09:34.880 --> 2:09:38.440 de Niro is a bounty hunter bringing Charles Groden in 2:09:39.040 --> 2:09:41.839 and char and there's a sweet scene in a restaurant 2:09:41.880 --> 2:09:44.240 I think where Charles Groden is worried about Robert de 2:09:44.320 --> 2:09:47.640 Niro's eating habits and says, you really better lay off. 2:09:48.280 --> 2:09:51.080 Oh yeah, red meat. It's just maybe a sweater in 2:09:51.120 --> 2:09:55.920 your colon. Yeah. So so that was a little echo 2:09:56.000 --> 2:09:57.120 to that lovely film. 2:09:57.160 --> 2:10:01.880 Oh interesting, that's cute. I also you have one of 2:10:01.920 --> 2:10:03.800 the things that I feel as lucky. 2:10:05.400 --> 2:10:07.960 There's like newspaper articles about you, and you're on the 2:10:07.960 --> 2:10:10.640 cover of all the newspapers. Did you steal any of 2:10:10.640 --> 2:10:11.800 them with your photos? 2:10:11.560 --> 2:10:12.240 Oh damn it. 2:10:12.800 --> 2:10:16.040 No, someone sent one to me, you know, a New 2:10:16.160 --> 2:10:19.880 York Post with me on the cover, And no, I never. 2:10:19.960 --> 2:10:22.080 I didn't get that far into the props department. I 2:10:22.080 --> 2:10:25.160 think I found Mary Bacon severed head. Yeah, and you 2:10:25.240 --> 2:10:26.160 went running. 2:10:26.360 --> 2:10:27.560 Yeah did you? 2:10:27.600 --> 2:10:30.000 And you did photo shoots for that, and like your 2:10:30.040 --> 2:10:30.920 mugshot and stuff. 2:10:30.960 --> 2:10:33.520 Is that fine? Yes? Yes it was. And I did 2:10:33.600 --> 2:10:34.600 lots of drag. 2:10:35.920 --> 2:10:38.960 Shoots to yes, because your license and everything. Didn't you 2:10:39.000 --> 2:10:41.120 have like a like a license where you had to be. 2:10:41.400 --> 2:10:44.160 Yes, oh yeah all that? Oh the yes, yeah, yeah, 2:10:44.160 --> 2:10:46.280 you're you're a little badge. And I didn't steal that either. 2:10:46.280 --> 2:10:48.800 I didn't steal anything, not even a floral print. 2:10:49.080 --> 2:10:52.839 Frog or a week, a little dress, a little. 2:10:52.680 --> 2:10:58.920 Numbers are there behind the scenes tidbits you feel we 2:10:59.000 --> 2:11:02.160 would enjoy hearing from your time on set or our listeners. 2:11:03.000 --> 2:11:08.000 Oh gosh, I find my time in front of the 2:11:08.040 --> 2:11:11.560 camera rather intense, you know, I, and it sort of 2:11:11.600 --> 2:11:15.000 absorbs all of my concentration, especially getting those damn latex 2:11:15.640 --> 2:11:17.440 gloves on and off. 2:11:17.760 --> 2:11:19.440 I think that they should have like a two week 2:11:19.480 --> 2:11:23.760 workshop for every law and order medical examiner, because it's 2:11:23.800 --> 2:11:26.080 extremely hard. I don't know if you have latex gloves 2:11:26.080 --> 2:11:27.920 at home and you want to try it, but getting 2:11:27.960 --> 2:11:30.880 them off in the medically approved way where you don't 2:11:30.880 --> 2:11:33.840 want to bring the latex glove in contact with the skin, 2:11:34.080 --> 2:11:36.400 you know, sort of have to pull it out gingerly 2:11:36.520 --> 2:11:39.440 halfway down, bring the other one halfway down, work the 2:11:39.440 --> 2:11:43.600 other one off. And doing that while selling gibberish is 2:11:43.800 --> 2:11:45.960 just one of the greatest challenges I've ever faced in 2:11:45.960 --> 2:11:48.200 my life. Mercifully, you don't have to put them on. 2:11:48.400 --> 2:11:50.480 I tried that in a scene a couple of times, 2:11:50.520 --> 2:11:53.840 and you invariably end with certain little flappy latex bits 2:11:53.880 --> 2:11:58.680 at the end of your fingers. But yeah, it seems 2:11:58.680 --> 2:12:00.600 that every scene begins with strip off a pair of 2:12:00.640 --> 2:12:03.720 gloves and throw the throwing them into the bin, and 2:12:03.880 --> 2:12:10.400 then you launch into incomprehensible, incomprehensible passage of medical gibb Bridge. 2:12:11.000 --> 2:12:14.080 But back scenes. No, the Mary Bacon Sarah Head story 2:12:14.160 --> 2:12:19.280 is the one that pops to mind. But uh, but uh, 2:12:19.680 --> 2:12:22.440 but but no, I'm so sorry, because. 2:12:22.240 --> 2:12:25.200 Well it's it's totally okay, but it's really cool because 2:12:25.760 --> 2:12:27.720 you know, you're on the stand for some you're a 2:12:27.800 --> 2:12:29.560 get to be in the morgue, you're on the run, 2:12:29.560 --> 2:12:32.160 and you really get to be everywhere, everywhere. 2:12:32.200 --> 2:12:35.760 I remember one in which, because you know, I was 2:12:35.800 --> 2:12:38.520 still determined to get the lines correct, I had my 2:12:38.600 --> 2:12:41.600 lines written on little index cards. I brought some sticky 2:12:41.640 --> 2:12:46.080 tape and I put them inside the dock. So I'm 2:12:46.200 --> 2:12:48.520 doing expert testimony, and every now and then my eye 2:12:48.600 --> 2:12:50.320 can sort of maybe flick it down and I can 2:12:50.560 --> 2:12:52.880 see the word that eludes me and come up with 2:12:52.920 --> 2:12:55.000 it at the proper time. And then of course when 2:12:55.000 --> 2:12:57.680 we do the turnaround, you know, the DP or cameraman 2:12:57.760 --> 2:13:00.720 came up and said, you know, all of his little index. 2:13:00.480 --> 2:13:01.960 Cards, you can see them. 2:13:02.560 --> 2:13:07.000 So yeah, so I had to move them lower and mercifully, 2:13:07.000 --> 2:13:08.880 I guess the cameras over my shoulders, so I was 2:13:08.920 --> 2:13:11.680 able to get away with that little hack. But I 2:13:11.720 --> 2:13:15.280 heard Sam Waterston did the same thing, uh of by 2:13:15.320 --> 2:13:19.200 putting index cards on the backs of the busts and 2:13:19.440 --> 2:13:23.440 or down on his desk, And I completely understand. I uh, 2:13:24.200 --> 2:13:27.560 I think the clipboard is the medical examiner's friend because 2:13:27.560 --> 2:13:31.160 you can write you know that that you know chest 2:13:31.240 --> 2:13:34.320 wall of grasion and contusion on it and read it, 2:13:34.760 --> 2:13:36.960 or you know, you have the confidence to know it's 2:13:37.000 --> 2:13:39.720 there if you need it, so you always have a clip. 2:13:39.560 --> 2:13:40.240 In real life. 2:13:40.280 --> 2:13:42.360 I'm sure if you go to a medical examiner and 2:13:42.400 --> 2:13:45.120 you say what happened you, no one is expecting them 2:13:45.160 --> 2:13:47.000 to say it off the top of their head. I'm 2:13:47.040 --> 2:13:49.640 sure they're all looking at a piece of paper and 2:13:49.720 --> 2:13:50.480 reading off of them. 2:13:50.520 --> 2:13:55.080 Arah, I wish i'd told me that, heart, But I 2:13:55.080 --> 2:13:56.160 think you're absolutely right. 2:13:56.320 --> 2:13:59.560 I understand like the actor, because we've also spoken to Tamratuni, 2:13:59.640 --> 2:14:02.400 who and a lot on that show for you know, 2:14:02.600 --> 2:14:06.720 a decade three years, and she was saying that, you know, 2:14:06.840 --> 2:14:10.400 she was like very interested in science and so she 2:14:10.480 --> 2:14:13.160 knew a lot of like she you know, but I 2:14:13.200 --> 2:14:16.880 still think rattling off a lot of findings off the 2:14:16.880 --> 2:14:20.800 top of your head, it's impressive, but it certainly I 2:14:20.840 --> 2:14:22.280 don't know if we I don't know if what's. 2:14:22.160 --> 2:14:23.480 What's going to happen in real life. 2:14:23.800 --> 2:14:27.160 No, but now I'm always gonna notice that I've always seen, 2:14:27.240 --> 2:14:29.000 starting with the gloves being thrown. 2:14:29.160 --> 2:14:32.240 Yes, right now that you mentioned, I'm like. 2:14:32.240 --> 2:14:35.800 Oh, my punctuation latex. Glove throwing is punctuation. 2:14:35.920 --> 2:14:38.120 Yeah, it's like I am now done with my examining 2:14:38.160 --> 2:14:39.680 and ready to speak. Yeah. 2:14:39.960 --> 2:14:44.760 Right, But I do not possess camera's scientific mind. I'm 2:14:44.840 --> 2:14:47.400 not concrete sequential, so I would have to do these 2:14:47.680 --> 2:14:52.640 stupid elaborate things like like like sub irachnoid. I'd see 2:14:52.680 --> 2:14:58.440 the Beatle's yellow submarine arachnoid iraknd spider anoid spider like 2:14:58.560 --> 2:15:02.240 humanoid a rack the lighter robot spider on top of 2:15:02.280 --> 2:15:06.640 the Beatles yellow submarine hemorrhage with a black eye, you know. 2:15:06.720 --> 2:15:09.320 So that would be the image in my mind when 2:15:09.360 --> 2:15:10.760 I was saying the line. 2:15:11.160 --> 2:15:13.680 These little mnemonics that we come up. 2:15:13.720 --> 2:15:16.720 Yes, I'm so glad to share. Speaking of dead bodies, 2:15:16.720 --> 2:15:20.240 I remember that I had a humble experience doing It's 2:15:20.280 --> 2:15:23.480 not really a funny story at all. I was on 2:15:23.560 --> 2:15:27.440 my way to set to do you know, to play 2:15:27.480 --> 2:15:31.240 Rhynic before they discovered him, I think, and I got 2:15:31.280 --> 2:15:34.720 word in the car that my dad had died, and 2:15:35.880 --> 2:15:40.200 I just arrived, as you can imagine, utterly shaken and 2:15:40.560 --> 2:15:43.400 bless his heart. Warren was just coming out and I 2:15:43.480 --> 2:15:46.360 told him and he said, oh God, I'm so sorry 2:15:46.440 --> 2:15:48.480 that let us know if there's anything we can do, 2:15:48.560 --> 2:15:50.480 and I said thank you, And then I realized I 2:15:50.520 --> 2:15:53.440 was spending the day in the morgue doing all tops 2:15:54.880 --> 2:15:57.960 by dead bodies, and I don't remember much about that. 2:15:58.040 --> 2:16:00.480 I think I did get the lines out, although I 2:16:00.480 --> 2:16:02.920 think I did have to leave a post it wedged 2:16:03.000 --> 2:16:06.560 under a body at one point. But but that was 2:16:07.000 --> 2:16:10.240 that was. That was a strange day. But everyone on 2:16:10.320 --> 2:16:15.360 the set, I remember, Raoul Asparza was just particularly lovely 2:16:15.440 --> 2:16:19.840 to me. And yeah, they all carried me through and 2:16:19.880 --> 2:16:21.960 put me in a car and sent me to the airport. 2:16:22.200 --> 2:16:24.560 Oh my gosh, that's amazing. 2:16:26.160 --> 2:16:28.320 Well, always, whenever I think about that, I think about 2:16:28.360 --> 2:16:30.520 Vanessa Hudgens. Her dad died and then she had to 2:16:30.560 --> 2:16:34.280 do Grease Live and so whenever, God, whatever I wanted 2:16:34.320 --> 2:16:36.640 to answer, I think about that, and now I will 2:16:36.640 --> 2:16:37.160 think about it. 2:16:37.240 --> 2:16:41.520 Yes, well, thank you for the folks. But yeah, no, 2:16:41.600 --> 2:16:42.959 but everyone was just gorgeous. 2:16:43.360 --> 2:16:45.680 This is one of our classic questions, and we actually 2:16:45.680 --> 2:16:49.280 have not asked it in months, but I feel compelled. 2:16:49.400 --> 2:16:52.200 What are your go to craft service snacks? 2:16:53.240 --> 2:16:57.359 My favorite pepperish farm. She had a goldfish. Oh, although 2:16:57.400 --> 2:17:01.119 they get you know, they can interfere with your respiratory system, 2:17:01.720 --> 2:17:04.920 the crumminess, the crumbiness of them, But I don't know, 2:17:04.959 --> 2:17:07.040 I find those very very satisfying. 2:17:08.280 --> 2:17:10.400 Well, you'd love my house. I have two children and 2:17:10.440 --> 2:17:12.720 I'm flushed with all times. 2:17:13.040 --> 2:17:16.959 Jars of and I also like one I have and 2:17:17.040 --> 2:17:21.560 I love Cheetos, but they don't have Cheetos because of course, 2:17:21.640 --> 2:17:25.520 wardrobe is complain because the people get especially with white 2:17:25.600 --> 2:17:27.959 lab coats. Ye's a horrible thing. But every now and 2:17:28.000 --> 2:17:31.480 then you'll find that. But actually, one other thing that 2:17:31.680 --> 2:17:35.640 comes to mind. I was on Darbis set and Vicodin 2:17:36.080 --> 2:17:39.680 from a lot of my work on lawn Order because 2:17:39.720 --> 2:17:42.080 I had I was recovering from a herniate. I was 2:17:42.120 --> 2:17:45.160 doing a very vigorous Broadway musical at the time and 2:17:45.200 --> 2:17:50.000 I had herniated a disc between cervical vertebrae six and seven. See, 2:17:50.000 --> 2:17:52.360 I'm a medical examiner and I can say things like that, 2:17:53.320 --> 2:17:57.720 And I was on pain killers to this great degree, 2:17:57.840 --> 2:18:00.600 and I was worried about the lines. And again I 2:18:00.600 --> 2:18:02.879 remember taking the second idea aside and saying, don't you 2:18:02.920 --> 2:18:06.160 think you should make some of these big cards or 2:18:06.200 --> 2:18:08.120 maybe in the case, and he said, yes, we can, 2:18:08.160 --> 2:18:10.640 we can easily do that. But miraculously I was able 2:18:10.640 --> 2:18:14.680 to get through despite doing it through a drug induced haage. 2:18:14.720 --> 2:18:16.600 You wouldn't have known it, you were. Your character is 2:18:16.680 --> 2:18:19.959 very sharp. I feel you didn't you didn't notice that 2:18:20.080 --> 2:18:22.320 at all. And funny, you're so great. 2:18:23.120 --> 2:18:25.680 That's a great great because you. 2:18:25.600 --> 2:18:27.120 Know these are newer seasons. 2:18:27.200 --> 2:18:30.720 During the first decade or so of SV there was 2:18:31.320 --> 2:18:34.240 a little bit of silliness with the darkness, and I 2:18:34.280 --> 2:18:38.240 feel like, you know, your character really brings the laughs, 2:18:38.280 --> 2:18:40.640 even though it's like killing I. 2:18:40.600 --> 2:18:43.080 Haven't seen it. I haven't. I haven't watched it myself. 2:18:43.080 --> 2:18:45.720 It's unbearable for me to watch myself. Oh really on 2:18:45.800 --> 2:18:47.720 television or film. Yeah, Yates. 2:18:47.800 --> 2:18:50.920 Yates's character was really just so creepy, and I think 2:18:50.920 --> 2:18:54.960 to just add another serial killer in with him that's matched. 2:18:54.959 --> 2:18:57.440 His creepiness would have just been like too much, and 2:18:57.480 --> 2:19:02.440 your your character was just such a different vibe of like, yeah, 2:19:02.480 --> 2:19:05.240 you were almost charming even though you just chopped someone 2:19:05.280 --> 2:19:07.000 into pieces, Like you know. 2:19:07.000 --> 2:19:09.800 That's the loveliest thing anyone said to me for weeks. 2:19:10.240 --> 2:19:10.360 Uh. 2:19:10.640 --> 2:19:12.920 And they let me wear some of my own clothes too, 2:19:13.080 --> 2:19:15.600 which is nice. I sort of I showed up for 2:19:15.720 --> 2:19:17.720 my costume fitting and they looked at me and said, 2:19:17.760 --> 2:19:21.440 you know, you could just go out there right now. 2:19:21.520 --> 2:19:23.800 And I don't think it came to that. I think 2:19:23.840 --> 2:19:27.119 they gave me sort of clothes that are like ones 2:19:27.160 --> 2:19:29.359 that I own. I was able to wear a Panama hat. 2:19:29.760 --> 2:19:31.800 Yeah, that's your IMTB phone that I. 2:19:31.800 --> 2:19:37.080 That's that's my Panama hat that I wore in in 2:19:37.120 --> 2:19:40.720 this particular episode. Yeah, when I'm being arranged or something. 2:19:41.040 --> 2:19:43.039 This is why people are yelling murderer at you on 2:19:43.080 --> 2:19:46.000 the subway is because you kind of you. 2:19:45.920 --> 2:19:48.440 Know, I know, if I were a baseball cat, you know, 2:19:49.480 --> 2:19:51.360 and a bomber jacket, this wouldn't happen. 2:19:51.480 --> 2:19:54.920 Exactly. What are you working on now? 2:19:55.120 --> 2:19:57.720 Yeah? Are you doing theater school or yeah? 2:19:57.800 --> 2:20:00.760 Well I'm about I've been working away. I do this 2:20:00.959 --> 2:20:04.720 one person version of a Christmas Carol that my wife, 2:20:04.920 --> 2:20:08.640 Michael Arden, and I adapted, and I'm about to do 2:20:08.680 --> 2:20:11.400 it again at the Old Globe Theater in San Diego. 2:20:11.920 --> 2:20:14.160 I did it on Broadway a couple of years ago, 2:20:14.320 --> 2:20:16.440 and we did a film of it at the United 2:20:16.440 --> 2:20:19.480 Palace Theater up in Washington Heights, and I did at 2:20:19.480 --> 2:20:22.560 the Geffen Theater here. This that was a much more 2:20:22.560 --> 2:20:27.360 elaborate production. And this is essentially me on stage by myself, 2:20:27.520 --> 2:20:30.680 without any sort of technical support, telling the story of 2:20:31.080 --> 2:20:34.280 a Christmas Carol and embodying all the characters. And I'm 2:20:34.400 --> 2:20:36.320 kind of terrified of it. It's going to be in 2:20:36.320 --> 2:20:36.720 the round. 2:20:37.240 --> 2:20:37.480 Wow. 2:20:37.520 --> 2:20:39.199 So I just I hope. 2:20:38.920 --> 2:20:42.160 That I don't, you know, make myself in the audience queasy, 2:20:42.640 --> 2:20:47.280 like whirling center stage like a Dickens spouting dervish. But 2:20:48.600 --> 2:20:50.680 I'm very excited to be doing it. It's one of 2:20:50.760 --> 2:20:56.480 my favorite stories. And yeah, so that's what's next up 2:20:56.520 --> 2:20:56.760 for me. 2:20:57.240 --> 2:20:58.160 That's so cool. 2:20:58.560 --> 2:21:01.080 Thank you so much, Thank you so much for taking 2:21:01.080 --> 2:21:02.119 the time to talk to us. 2:21:02.280 --> 2:21:05.840 I mean, such a pleasure. I admire your admire your 2:21:06.120 --> 2:21:08.080 work and your and your obsessions. 2:21:09.480 --> 2:21:09.920 Thank you. 2:21:14.320 --> 2:21:18.520 He's got style, he's got class. He's Miss United States? 2:21:18.640 --> 2:21:19.880 Is that I fucked that up? 2:21:19.879 --> 2:21:20.160 Didn't that? 2:21:20.240 --> 2:21:25.040 I don't know that it's for Miss congenial Yeah, she's 2:21:25.160 --> 2:21:26.600 Miss United States. 2:21:26.680 --> 2:21:27.720 I think that might be it. 2:21:29.120 --> 2:21:31.680 I saw a video on the internet where it's like 2:21:32.520 --> 2:21:35.120 a millennial got married and all the friends did the 2:21:35.160 --> 2:21:38.920 whole Miss Congeniality dance. But I was like, I love 2:21:38.959 --> 2:21:40.840 that movie. I've seen it hundreds of times, Like, I 2:21:40.840 --> 2:21:42.720 don't know if it would have clicked for me right away. 2:21:43.680 --> 2:21:44.360 Yeah, I don't. 2:21:44.480 --> 2:21:48.200 I've seen that about times obscure and yeah, I don't know, 2:21:48.320 --> 2:21:50.560 but you know, impressive, impressive. No. 2:21:50.640 --> 2:21:53.680 I love Jefferson. He sent us extra photos. 2:21:53.760 --> 2:21:57.800 We'll share photos of him in bed with like Susie 2:21:57.840 --> 2:22:02.560 Frain's head prop like yeah, that and more drag photos 2:22:02.600 --> 2:22:04.760 of him. I mean, what a great what a great 2:22:04.800 --> 2:22:06.360 guy and a very talented actor. 2:22:06.920 --> 2:22:09.879 I mean money, having a nice little wine, you know. 2:22:10.560 --> 2:22:12.560 The only serial killer on SVU that I'm like, I 2:22:12.600 --> 2:22:14.520 don't know, Maybe i'd hang out with him for a drink, 2:22:14.640 --> 2:22:17.320 you know, like William Lewis Yates. Those guys make my 2:22:17.400 --> 2:22:20.480 skin crawl. Rudnick, I'm kind of like, well, if I 2:22:20.480 --> 2:22:22.320 can forget about the fact that you were cutting people 2:22:22.360 --> 2:22:24.520 up alive while they were still a lot like. 2:22:24.480 --> 2:22:26.040 You know, then I can. 2:22:26.160 --> 2:22:28.160 Uh. I don't know, kind of a kind of a 2:22:28.200 --> 2:22:32.080 charming guy, as Cariese says, But have you heard of 2:22:32.080 --> 2:22:36.680 this movie A Nora? Yeah, we got to see it. Yeah, 2:22:36.680 --> 2:22:39.840 it's great. I like that actress a lot. She's from Uh, 2:22:39.920 --> 2:22:41.960 you know, obviously we both watch Better Things, but she's 2:22:42.000 --> 2:22:43.160 also from she. 2:22:43.200 --> 2:22:46.119 Was in one of those Freewood Yeah, the. 2:22:46.160 --> 2:22:48.800 Screams she's killing. 2:22:49.000 --> 2:22:51.320 I think we're gonna be a here a long time. Yeah, 2:22:51.360 --> 2:22:53.680 this for sure because it won the Big Sun Dance 2:22:53.680 --> 2:22:58.680 Word But Frex's friend Sebastian is a truck driver in it, 2:22:58.879 --> 2:23:00.959 and he told me was it. He's like, oh, it's 2:23:00.959 --> 2:23:03.040 a small part, but he's on the carpet cheese in 2:23:03.280 --> 2:23:06.160 and people are like writing him in the reviews that 2:23:06.240 --> 2:23:09.040 he killed it. So I'm kind of I feel cool 2:23:09.080 --> 2:23:11.200 that I know someone in it. 2:23:11.520 --> 2:23:15.600 Yeah. I just got invited to a screening, but you 2:23:15.720 --> 2:23:18.440 gotta go. But it's like it's like when we're gone, 2:23:19.160 --> 2:23:20.959 but I really want to. I really want to see it. 2:23:21.000 --> 2:23:22.160 I'm gonna go see it for sure. 2:23:22.520 --> 2:23:24.240 I can't wait and I you know, I think there's 2:23:24.280 --> 2:23:26.960 a Russian storyline. I there there's gonna be some Russian 2:23:27.000 --> 2:23:28.480 in it, So I'm excited about that. 2:23:28.720 --> 2:23:31.360 Yeah, for sure. I'm just excited. I just feel like 2:23:31.360 --> 2:23:31.880 we're back. 2:23:31.920 --> 2:23:34.959 We have four housewife franchises airing at the same time, 2:23:35.480 --> 2:23:37.520 we have movies that we want to go rush. 2:23:37.560 --> 2:23:40.640 The new season of SVU is yeah. I have even 2:23:40.720 --> 2:23:45.080 seen the first two episodes and season A found Yes, 2:23:45.640 --> 2:23:51.800 season Found. Yeah, there's a lot going on and I'm excited. 2:23:52.080 --> 2:23:54.840 Uh I got a TV person. It's just yeah. 2:23:54.879 --> 2:23:57.320 But that's like my biggest flaw is like, I mean, 2:23:57.360 --> 2:24:00.320 I have a few but no matter how busy, no 2:24:00.320 --> 2:24:03.080 matter how many tasks, no matter how stressed and overwhelmed 2:24:03.120 --> 2:24:04.959 I am, I'm watching. 2:24:04.680 --> 2:24:07.280 My shows, getting your shows, get your shows done. 2:24:07.440 --> 2:24:10.440 But how do I not like this addiction is so real, 2:24:10.560 --> 2:24:12.920 Like I'm sitting panicked of like, oh my god, I'm 2:24:12.959 --> 2:24:14.520 gonna be up till five am. I know I'm gonna 2:24:14.520 --> 2:24:16.520 be up till five am working This is a nightmare, 2:24:16.560 --> 2:24:19.720 but I'll I'll still watch my shows like I have 2:24:19.959 --> 2:24:22.360 to do it. And I wish I was someone that 2:24:22.480 --> 2:24:24.600 like after my you know, I did two standards. I 2:24:24.640 --> 2:24:26.680 wish I could go back home and just get No, 2:24:26.800 --> 2:24:30.600 I'm watching anatomy a life, you know, like I'm trying 2:24:30.600 --> 2:24:33.199 to highlight. I'm always trying to do another thing while 2:24:33.240 --> 2:24:38.119 I do it. But I just I really prioritize my shows. 2:24:39.560 --> 2:24:42.480 It's important. I mean, oh, go and go see good 2:24:42.520 --> 2:24:44.960 Rich at the movie theaters. I mean, oh, yeah, Lisa's 2:24:45.000 --> 2:24:47.160 in a movie called good Rich. Everybody it's out with 2:24:47.200 --> 2:24:51.760 Michael Clinton. Maybe I'll post my Michael Keaton photo today, 2:24:52.480 --> 2:24:54.520 but yeah. 2:24:54.320 --> 2:24:56.560 I've been it's been coming up in my Instagram. 2:24:57.080 --> 2:24:57.280 You know. 2:24:57.840 --> 2:25:00.000 Well, someone I came to the show in San Diego. 2:25:00.000 --> 2:25:01.320 I was like, oh my god, I just saw you. 2:25:01.360 --> 2:25:03.040 I saw good Rich today and I didn't even know 2:25:03.080 --> 2:25:04.240 you were going to be in it, and now I'm 2:25:04.280 --> 2:25:06.520 here and I was like, well, why'd you go see it? 2:25:06.680 --> 2:25:09.760 And she said the paper had a really good article 2:25:09.760 --> 2:25:12.040 about it. So that's really exciting. Oh that's good. So 2:25:12.080 --> 2:25:16.440 it's getting good reviews. Yeah, yeah, is really talented. I'm excited. 2:25:16.440 --> 2:25:17.160 I hope you mentioned and. 2:25:18.720 --> 2:25:21.040 Yeah, I know, I wonder if you'll mention it or 2:25:21.320 --> 2:25:24.000 I'll be beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice, Beetle Juice. 2:25:24.000 --> 2:25:26.440 I don't know. I think it's like that's like done, 2:25:26.520 --> 2:25:30.000 it's that's coming gone. We're in good Llweenridge time now, 2:25:30.120 --> 2:25:32.000 we're in good Rich season. I just don't know if 2:25:32.000 --> 2:25:34.000 Beetle Juice Beetles is even still in the theaters, even 2:25:34.040 --> 2:25:35.760 though I know it's Halloween season, Like, I don't know 2:25:35.800 --> 2:25:38.119 if it's still out. Movies are in the theater now 2:25:38.160 --> 2:25:39.959 for three seconds. I don't know. 2:25:40.760 --> 2:25:41.160 I don't know. 2:25:41.680 --> 2:25:43.640 I want to see here it say. Hopefully I'll be 2:25:43.640 --> 2:25:46.160 able to do a nice review of that. Yeah, it 2:25:46.240 --> 2:25:48.119 is cool. A lot of people that like our podcast 2:25:48.160 --> 2:25:49.879 like Ruined and it makes me happy. 2:25:50.000 --> 2:25:53.800 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah Ruined. Oh my god, I really 2:25:54.080 --> 2:25:56.240 I don't want to it's gonna be passed when this happens. 2:25:56.240 --> 2:25:57.440 But I really want to try to go to that 2:25:57.480 --> 2:25:58.920 live show. But I got my kids tickets to the 2:25:58.959 --> 2:26:01.640 Bob Baker's boot Tacul. You know how we are. But 2:26:01.640 --> 2:26:02.800 we're a Bob Baker family. 2:26:03.320 --> 2:26:05.800 Do they have memberships or you always just have to 2:26:05.800 --> 2:26:08.360 be on the edge of your seat every new show announced, 2:26:08.600 --> 2:26:10.039 rushing to get tickets. 2:26:09.720 --> 2:26:12.440 Rushing to get tickets, and like they're always like gone. 2:26:12.520 --> 2:26:14.400 Whenever I go like I have to get like three, 2:26:14.440 --> 2:26:16.760 Like I get three, but we always sit crisscross apple 2:26:16.800 --> 2:26:19.959 sauce on the ground and like it's a lot. But 2:26:20.360 --> 2:26:22.160 then people are always on the mom groups going why 2:26:22.160 --> 2:26:23.080 are there no tickets? 2:26:23.120 --> 2:26:24.880 Like you have to like rush to get everything. It's 2:26:24.920 --> 2:26:25.920 crazy they. 2:26:25.800 --> 2:26:28.640 Really, I mean, if they're this popular, they need to 2:26:28.680 --> 2:26:29.320 get it together. 2:26:30.000 --> 2:26:32.360 Well, they just got a marquee and they just had 2:26:32.360 --> 2:26:34.720 a big Bob Baker Day to celebrate the fact that 2:26:34.760 --> 2:26:38.520 they I think we're able to drive, yes, and I 2:26:38.560 --> 2:26:40.800 think that I think they were maybe somehow able to 2:26:40.800 --> 2:26:43.440 buy the building or something. But they're they are staying 2:26:43.480 --> 2:26:45.959 in La. Casey might know more than me, but like 2:26:46.000 --> 2:26:49.200 they're staying in LA. And that was like they had 2:26:49.240 --> 2:26:52.520 a big Bob Baker Day thing to like celebrate we're 2:26:52.560 --> 2:26:54.680 staying in LA. They have a big Neon marquee. That's 2:26:54.720 --> 2:26:56.600 really cool. Next time you come to town you'll see it. 2:26:57.200 --> 2:26:58.959 I passed it last night driving home and I was like, Oh, 2:26:59.000 --> 2:27:00.920 it looks really good at night, like it's all lit up. 2:27:01.200 --> 2:27:04.720 So go Bob Baker. That's my shout out for puppets 2:27:04.760 --> 2:27:07.720 right now. Anyway, let's get into our what would sister 2:27:07.760 --> 2:27:09.199 Peg do are if. 2:27:09.120 --> 2:27:11.160 We didn't even touch on the episode, let's just at 2:27:11.240 --> 2:27:12.039 least say one thing. 2:27:12.120 --> 2:27:15.199 Okay, I don't know, I don't want a victim blame, 2:27:15.280 --> 2:27:17.640 but Susie Frain, you got involved with the wrong group 2:27:17.680 --> 2:27:20.400 of guys. So you got involved with the wrong two dudes. 2:27:21.840 --> 2:27:26.160 But don't ever quietly confess anything to yourself. Keep your 2:27:26.160 --> 2:27:29.160 confessions in your brain. You never know when someone's listening, 2:27:29.200 --> 2:27:33.360 someone's recording you, like honestly confess in your brain or 2:27:33.360 --> 2:27:34.560 to a priest, like. 2:27:34.600 --> 2:27:35.360 Don't do it. 2:27:35.920 --> 2:27:38.720 Don't do it, Like I don't know they fucking told 2:27:38.760 --> 2:27:41.320 you the camera was on, they were being recorded, dumb dump. 2:27:41.400 --> 2:27:44.120 Yeah, if you're murdering, you gotta keep your mouth shut. 2:27:44.320 --> 2:27:47.400 And like I think it's just when like your research 2:27:47.400 --> 2:27:50.560 of the crime, it's like it's just another example of 2:27:50.600 --> 2:27:53.480 the hubris of these guys. It's like they want their 2:27:53.520 --> 2:27:55.240 story to be told the way they want it to 2:27:55.280 --> 2:27:57.840 be told, and even if it gets them caught. 2:27:58.240 --> 2:28:01.039 You know, it happened to be TK, happened to Durst. 2:28:01.959 --> 2:28:07.680 It also is Yeah, money, money is awesome. Yeah, money 2:28:07.760 --> 2:28:12.720 really helps you murder for decades. Yeah, he got to 2:28:12.840 --> 2:28:16.920 jail and died like almost immediately you know what I mean, like, yeah, yeah, 2:28:16.959 --> 2:28:19.920 he couldn't survive the I mean, how good of lawyers 2:28:19.959 --> 2:28:23.280 did you hire that the jury believed you just put 2:28:23.360 --> 2:28:25.480 butchered the body but didn't murder. 2:28:25.520 --> 2:28:30.680 It's it's wild. Yeah, I don't understand it. It is wild, 2:28:31.000 --> 2:28:33.080 But yeah, I bet you that the lawyers they had, 2:28:33.240 --> 2:28:36.760 he had people in Galveston, Texas had never seen anything 2:28:36.800 --> 2:28:38.480 like them. Like if you're bringing a Rita and a 2:28:38.520 --> 2:28:42.440 Buchanan down to Galveston, Texas, they're getting you out, you know, 2:28:43.720 --> 2:28:48.440 damn it's nuts. But anyway, let's move on to our 2:28:48.440 --> 2:28:51.320 what would Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment 2:28:51.360 --> 2:28:54.800 where we give you a link to a you know, 2:28:54.879 --> 2:28:57.320 an organization or a doc or something to give you 2:28:57.320 --> 2:29:00.600 more info on today's episode. And I think obviously we 2:29:00.600 --> 2:29:02.920 want to point you to The Jinks and to there's 2:29:02.959 --> 2:29:05.080 now two parts of it. There's a second part, so 2:29:05.680 --> 2:29:07.840 you can watch that now on Max and you can 2:29:07.920 --> 2:29:09.920 learn all about the crazy crimes and the murders of 2:29:10.000 --> 2:29:13.400 Robert Durst and sort of put faces to the names. 2:29:13.400 --> 2:29:15.160 If you never watched The Jinks and you just listen 2:29:15.240 --> 2:29:18.760 to Lisa's crime recap, you cannot see all the drama 2:29:18.800 --> 2:29:20.160 unfold because it clearly was. 2:29:20.200 --> 2:29:22.760 The cliff Notes recap. Yes, it really. 2:29:22.840 --> 2:29:26.240 The jinx was like a fucking moment in time television wise, 2:29:26.240 --> 2:29:27.880 and I don't want anyone to not have seen it. 2:29:27.959 --> 2:29:29.880 So check out the jinks. I've got to go watch 2:29:29.920 --> 2:29:30.360 the second one. 2:29:30.400 --> 2:29:33.720 I haven't seen that so and that'll be posted, you know, 2:29:33.760 --> 2:29:35.520 in our stories the day this episode comes. 2:29:35.360 --> 2:29:39.000 Out always, and next week we will be doing tunnel 2:29:39.080 --> 2:29:44.160 Blind Okay, season twenty five, episode one, so catch on 2:29:44.280 --> 2:29:47.640 up with the new seasons. Thanks everyone that came to 2:29:47.640 --> 2:29:52.200 see us live on tour, and I hope all of 2:29:52.320 --> 2:29:54.240 your voting went amazing. 2:29:54.440 --> 2:29:56.720 Thanks for listening. 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