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Speaker 3: You are listening to episode three hundred and seventy four

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Speaker 3: We all go through our fair share of hurdles. My

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Speaker 1: from the work side of my life has really helped

438
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Speaker 1: just embrace like a better attitude about those things. I'm

439
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: not thinking about how am I going to spend this

440
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: on Instagram, you know, in the middle of a marathon,

441
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about like, how are you going to

442
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: get through this next mile, which like it's such it's

443
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: such a weird thing to be running at like mile

444
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Speaker 1: eighteen and being like, oh god, I'm not going to

445
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Speaker 1: hit my goal. Like one am the to tell people

446
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: nobody actually cares. I care, because I've put it out

447
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: there in the world. I know nobody else actually cares.

448
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: But if I'm thinking about it, that's a problem. And

449
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: so by removing that as an even possibility, it's helped

450
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: me kind of just keep certain things about running to myself.

451
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: Put me in your shoes.

452
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: The last time that you felt like you were psychologically

453
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: thinking in that performative way, when was that, And in

454
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: that moment did you realize that, Okay, I've got to

455
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Speaker 3: make a change.

456
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Speaker 1: It was probably before I ran the Saint George Marathon

457
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. I can't actually remember the exact

458
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: moment that made me decide not to share that I

459
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: was running Saint George, But afterwards I realized, I want

460
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Speaker 1: to do this for me. I want this race to

461
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: be about me and my friends who came to support me,

462
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: and an experience that I'm having in real time as

463
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: opposed to something i'm doing to share with some larger community.

464
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't even know really what the motivations were in sharing.

465
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, I'm going to do this marathon

466
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: so I can grow my followers, Like that's not the motivation.

467
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: But I think at this point, we're just so conditioned

468
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 1: to share so much of our lives with strangers that

469
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: I was just doing it kind of unconsciously. And before

470
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Speaker 1: the Saint George Marathon, I thought, what if I just

471
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Speaker 1: like didn't tell anybody about this, what if I just

472
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: like did it for myself, And then in the race,

473
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Speaker 1: I don't have to think about anybody else. The only

474
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Speaker 1: person that I need to be thinking about is myself.

475
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: And that I mean, that's exactly what happened. I got

476
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Speaker 1: to the point in the race where I was like, well,

477
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Speaker 1: this is hard. I don't know why you ever try running,

478
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, harder than whatever pace, Like maybe you're just

479
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: meant to go at this slower pace. And then I

480
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: was like, you know, we're going to just shuffle our thoughts,

481
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: pick the next thought, and keep going. And so I

482
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: literally instead of thinking about like anything to do with

483
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Speaker 1: the race itself or what I was feeling or anything,

484
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: I was just like I am in a beautiful place.

485
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: Look at where I am. This is so beautiful right now.

486
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Speaker 1: How lucky am I to be in this place? And

487
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: by kind of short circuiting those thoughts, I ended up

488
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: having just such a better race experience.

489
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Speaker 3: The short circuiting of those thoughts and this idea that

490
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: you have the opportunity to short circuit your thoughts at

491
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: any time is also something that A is very commendable,

492
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: but B takes practice and takes work. I know that

493
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 3: that can be even more challenging when you're dealing with

494
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 3: something that feels bigger than you you personally, just like

495
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: all of us have navigated your fair share of injuries.

496
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: I know that a specific injury has been plaguing you

497
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. Now, talk to me

498
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 3: about what you've learned about yourself through navigating injury over

499
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Speaker 3: the last few years and what you've been dealing with.

500
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Speaker 1: It's funny, this is actually the first real injury, and

501
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: I put injury in because it doesn't feel like a

502
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Speaker 1: typical injury, although it is something that has been impacting

503
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: me for over a year now, so I guess it

504
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: is an injury, and it's a tough injury. Because I

505
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: can still run through it, and I've still even pr

506
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Speaker 1: with it. It just feels awful. And so basically, it's

507
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: a diaphragm oblique side situation that affects my breathing when

508
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: I run. So when I hit race pace, it just

509
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: becomes deeply uncomfortable. And I think there is always a

510
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: certain level of discomfort that comes with racing, but this

511
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: is a different kind of discomfort. This is the kind

512
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Speaker 1: that you don't run through that it kind of stops

513
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Speaker 1: you in your tracks. And I think in dealing with

514
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Speaker 1: it, it's forced me to take a little bit of a

515
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Speaker 1: step back and look at some of the things that

516
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to not really have to pay

517
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Speaker 1: attention to for a long time, the basics of running,

518
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: how I hold my body, how I breathe when I run.

519
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: I've started working with pets for the first time specific

520
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Speaker 1: to Meviously, I interview peetees all the time and would

521
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: highly recommend that everybody connect with one, but it was

522
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Speaker 1: really interesting to just start working with some different pets

523
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: one on one and learn about my body in a

524
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: way that I really hadn't thought about before. And you know,

525
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: not just on the run, but I you know, was

526
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Speaker 1: encouraged to get a standing desk and change my position

527
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: throughout the day and get a computer monitor, and just

528
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: things that reminded me, Oh, it's not just about what

529
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: we do on the run. It's there's everything else in

530
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: your life comes into play here, including like how you

531
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Speaker 1: hold your body when you're stressed and how you breathe

532
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: when you're running and understress. So it's it's made me

533
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Speaker 1: confront some things that I probably should have dealt with

534
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: a while ago. And it's also really helped me realize

535
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: that like running through pain and discomfort is not always

536
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: like a flex you know, it is not an injury

537
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Speaker 1: in the sense that like it's not a stress fracture.

538
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a torn any but you

539
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: have to listen to your body and I acknowledge when

540
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Speaker 1: the discomfort is taking away the joy of running. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's been the biggest problem for me with

542
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Speaker 1: this injury. Like I said, I've still prred with this

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Speaker 1: going on. You know, it's happened. You know you were

544
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: there at Terry Blossom. I still ran faster than I

545
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: ever have, but I was miserable for you know, five

546
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Speaker 1: miles of that race because I was so angry at

547
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Speaker 1: my body and the fact that something was happening that

548
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: was outside of my control. And so it's helped me

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Speaker 1: kind of step back a little bit to be like,

550
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Speaker 1: why are you doing this? Do you want to do this?

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Speaker 1: Are you ready to do this? Is it going to

552
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Speaker 1: be worth it if you don't feel good during it?

553
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Speaker 1: And so I have said no to certain things this

554
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Speaker 1: year because it isn't worth it to me to be

555
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556
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557
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Speaker 1: at this point to pull from to be angry about

558
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Speaker 2: I e. Now what you're doing with runner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's funny. I was dead set on

606
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Speaker 1: running a marathon this fall. I had all the plans

607
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Speaker 1: in place, I was training, and I just I had

608
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Speaker 1: this realization a couple weeks ago where I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do it, not because I can't. You know, I could

611
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Speaker 1: definitely still run twenty six point two miles right now,

612
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Speaker 1: but if I did, I know it wouldn't be in

613
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Speaker 1: the way that I want to run it right now.

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Speaker 1: And that's not just because of the injury. I actually,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what would happen with the

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00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: injury at this point, but it was more the idea

617
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Speaker 1: that stress is stress, right, and even good stress is stress.

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Speaker 1: Your body can't tell the difference. This is something I've

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Speaker 1: talked about a million times on social media. I've written

620
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Speaker 1: multiple articles about it. Good stress is still stress, And

621
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Speaker 1: I think I came to the realization that this fall,

622
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Speaker 1: my marathon is Runner, bringing Runner into the world, and

623
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to take away from that experience, which

624
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Speaker 1: I'm really really excited about by adding another really stressful

625
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: physical experience on top of that. That might not go

626
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Speaker 1: the way that I want it to because I'm just

627
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Speaker 1: not in the headspace for that right now, and then

628
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Speaker 1: that would take away from the excitement around Runner. So

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Speaker 1: Runner is my marathon this fall.

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Speaker 2: Runner is my marathon this fall for sure.

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Speaker 3: And also of note, I mean, you're a twice certified

632
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Speaker 3: run coach as well. I know recently someone reached out

633
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Speaker 3: to me and they were asking me about my experience

634
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: pulling out if I had ever pulled out from a race.

635
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 3: I myself have pulled out previously because of an injury,

636
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Speaker 3: and I knew that I would only make it worse

637
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Speaker 3: by towing a starting line at that particular time. You're

638
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: speaking to something that I think is a really helpful conversation,

639
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 3: which is, if your head's just not in it.

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00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: The question that.

641
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: Was in my DMS is is it okay? You're the

642
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: only one that gets to make that decision, right right?

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's so okay. I think I think

644
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: more people should think about that and have that conversation

645
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Speaker 1: with themselves because I think, you know, I've run a

646
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Speaker 1: lot of marathons. I love running the marathon. I really

647
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Speaker 1: enjoy pushing myself kind of past that limit and finding

648
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: where that limit is. But I have run marathons where

649
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: I've not been mentally in it, and that is so unfun. Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that again, because if you're

651
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Speaker 1: committing yourself to running twenty six point two miles, especially

652
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Speaker 1: if you have a goal in mind and you are

653
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Speaker 1: just not mentally ready to fight for that, you're then

654
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Speaker 1: stuck running twenty six point two miles. Yeah, without that motivation.

655
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Speaker 1: And I don't know. I just I think that at

656
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: this point in my life, if I'm going to run

657
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: a marathon, I want to be fully invested in that

658
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: marathon and do the best that I can, unless, of course,

659
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: it's a race for fun, I'm pacing a friend or

660
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: something like that. That is obviously a totally different approach

661
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: to a race. But I approached this fall thinking I

662
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: am going to go for a big goal, and then

663
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: I got to this ball and I was like, I

664
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: don't want.

665
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: Toah, I don't want to. But again, this is so

666
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: much bigger than just sport.

667
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: Right.

668
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: We talked about how earlier you were saying that there

669
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: were certain projects or articles or items that you were

670
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: working on that just didn't really feel fulfilling for you.

671
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: And so what I'm really hearing you say is that

672
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: this is a lesson that just spans so many categories

673
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: in life as a whole.

674
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think it's so important. And I think

675
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: that's again where Runner was sort of born from. I

676
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: love my job as a journalist. I don't want to

677
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: change that job, you know. I have had many conversations

678
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: about the longevity and the sustainability of a journalism career

679
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: in this media landscape. And I think if you look

680
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: at it from where I looked at it ten years ago,

681
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, those jobs don't exist anymore. It's changed

682
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: so much. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, but

683
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: I think it's very hard in this media landscape to

684
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: make a full time living as a writer. It really is.

685
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: And I think any freelancer will agree with you on that,

686
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: will agree with me. But that doesn't mean there isn't

687
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: space for editorial and storytelling. We're seeing it in digital

688
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: first outlets. We're seeing it in this boom of social

689
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: media creators in the podcast world. I mean, there are

690
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: so many other ways to tell stories. And I think

691
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: coming back to this idea of an independent print magazine,

692
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: I think people are ready for that, you know. I

693
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: think they are tired of scrolling. It's always going to

694
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: be a part of our lives, but I think people

695
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: would welcome a break from that. I think these magazines

696
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: are very different from your traditional newsstand publication that you're getting,

697
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, once a month or I mean, god, do

698
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: you remember when they were weekly? These are more like

699
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: luxury products, you know, It's something that you invest in

700
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: because you are a part of that community. And I

701
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: think people want to support things like that, and so,

702
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: like I said before, I don't think it's going to

703
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: be on the same scale as you know, a traditional

704
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: monthly magazine. But that's okay, you don't need to be

705
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: I think smaller publications can really thrive and be profitable

706
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: because they have a really, really deeply engaged community and

707
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 1: that's all you need.

708
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: You've spoken so beautifully about so many of the challenges

709
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: and hurdles that are associated with creating a product from scratch.

710
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 3: It's also deeply important when you are building to make

711
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: sure that you're surrounding yourself with the right people who

712
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: give you this support. I can speak as someone who

713
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: used to be like very dialed in on like I've

714
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: got to do this on my own. I don't need you,

715
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: Like I've got this. I used to really feel like that,

716
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 3: and now I have integrated people into the bubble that

717
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: helped me stay sane. And Okay, what's your experience been

718
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: like with that as you've been getting this off the ground.

719
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: Oh, this wouldn't be off the ground if I didn't

720
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: have people helping me. Literally, there are not enough hours

721
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: in the day. I mean, I probably would have had

722
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: to start like a year in advance if I didn't

723
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: have help. But even if I had started that early,

724
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: something like this, you absolutely need help. You need other

725
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: sets of eyes to be looking at the pages to

726
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: catch errors that you missed. You need people to bounce

727
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: ideas off of to make sure you have a diverse

728
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: and balanced lineup in the magazine. I mean, this would

729
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: not have happened without having a team of people, and

730
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it so special. I mean,

731
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: we are all women, we are all runners, and we

732
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: have all been around this community for so long that

733
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: we each sort of brought our own perspectives on the

734
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: industry and the community to this project. And I think

735
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Speaker 1: that it's better for it.

736
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Speaker 3: Honestly, as someone who's great at pivoting, I'm going to

737
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: pivot a little bit with you here. Tell me a

738
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: little bit about where you stand, what your thoughts are,

739
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 3: your excitement about the state of women's running and women's

740
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 3: sports as a whole right now.

741
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: I just think it's all so exciting. I mean, there's

742
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: just such a groundswell of support around women's sports in general.

743
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to pretend that I know a

744
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: ton about women's sports as a whole. I mean, I'm

745
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: not the biggest sports fan in the world, but I'm

746
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: a huge women's running fan and a huge running fan,

747
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: and the fact that women are driving this boom is

748
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: just wild to me. I want to make sure that

749
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Speaker 1: women's running is included in that. And I think that

750
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: there are two sides of it, right Like there's the sport,

751
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: which is the results and the events and the real

752
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: time kind of race coverage. But then there's also sport

753
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: which is like wellness and health and the community that's

754
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: driving running, which, like when you look at running, running

755
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: is the biggest participatory sport out there and make up

756
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: the majority of runners right now. So the fact that

757
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: we're still approaching this sport from kind of a male

758
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: first lens feels outdated to me. And so I want

759
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: women's voices to be elevated and amplified, and I want

760
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: women to have a space within the running community that

761
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: is truly just theirs. I'm not saying that other places

762
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: aren't covering women's running, because there are places that do

763
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: a great job, but there are very very few that

764
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: are dedicated just to covering women's running and going beyond

765
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: just the race side of the sport into what makes

766
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Speaker 1: these runners so compelling and who's doing what within the industry,

767
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: And so I think there is a lot of room

768
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: to continue elevating these voices and amplifying the women who

769
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: are doing really incredible things within the community. And I

770
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: hope that Runner becomes a space where that is just

771
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: it's just part of the DNA of our men.

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Speaker 3: As a coach and a veteran journalist, what would you

773
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: attribute the majority of the running boom being women to?

774
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 3: What do you think is the reason why women are

775
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 3: gravitating towards this sport specifically?

776
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: I think there are two pieces of it. I think

777
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: it's empowerment. I think it's the feeling of strength and

778
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: freedom that you get from it. And I think it's

779
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: the community, the feeling of connection that you get from it.

780
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: And I think that is true for women at any

781
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum, whether you are, you know, breaking

782
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: records at the highest level of the sport, or you

783
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: are showing up at a run club for the first

784
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: time and you've never run more than a mile since

785
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: pe class. I think that's kind of the beauty of it.

786
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: There are so many women from different paths in life

787
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: finding this sport and connecting with each other in a

788
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: way that like maybe we didn't really have before. And

789
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Speaker 1: I think it's also important that this comes at a

790
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: time when like women rights are being threatened to a

791
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: certain extent. Like, again, I don't want to go down

792
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: that road, but I think having this place and this

793
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: community where you can turn to to make you feel

794
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: good physically and emotionally is just really really important right now.

795
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I love what you're pointing out about that

796
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: you can be at any level. There is a lot

797
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 3: of frustration that comes hand in hand with feeling as

798
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: though maybe.

799
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Speaker 2: You're not advanced enough to be part of a community.

800
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: But we fall back on this concept that the community

801
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: you're after is yours to build, right or yours to seek,

802
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 3: And so there are so many different access points that

803
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: people can get into running at and I would say

804
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: that that's also something that attributes to the boom that

805
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Speaker 3: we're seeing.

806
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely at this point in this running boom. If

807
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: we look at everything that's happened since twenty nineteen, if

808
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: you don't think there's a community for you, you're not

809
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: looking hard enough. You know, there are so many run clubs,

810
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: There are so many run stores that are welcoming people in.

811
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: There are so many online communities where you can find

812
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: a space. I mean that was part of what drew

813
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: me in. When I did that Iron Man back in

814
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. My friends thought I was insane. They were like,

815
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: You've never done anything like this in your life, Like

816
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: what we do not understand? And so I really I

817
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: turned to social media and was asking questions and was

818
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: sharing my experiences, and you know, people from like all

819
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: corners of the world were offering tips and sharing advice

820
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: with me on how to get through this iron Man journey.

821
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Speaker 1: And I think that's only exploded since twenty fifteen. I mean,

822
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: when I even look at New York, you know, I

823
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: lived in New York until twenty nineteen, the run club

824
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: scene there was so different. You know. It was either

825
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: the massive Nike run clubs, which were like four hundred

826
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: plus people and you never knew if you were going

827
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: to see the same people when you went back, or

828
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: the really small, you know, kind of intimidating I would say,

829
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: like good runners who were like pay faster than me,

830
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: and it's like that those are the only options you

831
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: had and now when I go back to New York

832
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: every year for the marathon, it's like, I mean, there

833
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of run clubs that

834
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: are welcoming people of all different running backgrounds. Whether you're

835
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: brand new or you're you know, an OTQ runner, Like

836
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. There is a community for you. And

837
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: I think that is just like so so important and

838
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going away anytime soon.

839
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Speaker 3: What would you say, And there's so many ways that

840
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: this answer could go, but what would you say that.

841
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: Running's biggest gifts have been to you?

842
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: Hmm, Well, I wouldn't have a career at this point

843
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: if not for running. No, that's not true. I would

844
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: have a career, but my career would look very very different.

845
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: But I think more importantly community. I started running because

846
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I was in that stage of life where you know,

847
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: I was going to boutique gym classes and I was

848
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: doing the cycling and the lifting and just like not

849
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: really meeting people, not connecting with people until I started running,

850
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, it was like this whole

851
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: world opened up to me in terms of both online

852
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: and real life communities. And I don't know where I

853
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: would be without those communities at this point, Like I

854
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: moved to a different state, you know, that was because

855
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: of running. And then mentally psychologically, I think what we

856
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: talked about before, just the mental strength that you develop

857
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: through running. If you really, you know, if you're committed

858
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: to running and you're doing hard things like training for

859
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: long distance races, like you have to be really mentally tough.

860
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: And I think over the past decade, the mental toughness

861
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: that I have developed through this sport has helped me

862
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: in so many other aspects of my life. And you know,

863
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: I've had to make some really hard decisions at certain points,

864
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: and I think I was able to make them not

865
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: just because of running, but because of some of the

866
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: things that I learned on the run.

867
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Speaker 3: I really appreciate what you said about if you're looking

868
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: for a community and you feel like there's not one

869
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: for you, that you're not looking hard enough. For someone

870
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Speaker 3: who does feel really intimidated about just beginning on the run,

871
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: what advice do you have to offer to them?

872
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Speaker 1: You just have to do it. I know that sucks

873
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: as advice. I know that is not necessarily what somebody

874
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: wants to hear when they're scared of something. But it's

875
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: what I have to tell myself. You just have to

876
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: start doing it. And if you start doing it by yourself,

877
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: you will eventually develop the confidence to show up at

878
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: a group. If you just show up at a group,

879
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: the people there are going to prove to you that

880
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: there is no reason to be afraid. It's very hard

881
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: to put yourself in a situation where you don't know

882
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: somebody and you feel like you might be the slowest

883
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: or the last. But like I promise that the majority

884
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: of runners are not out to make you feel bad.

885
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: I mean when I moved to Colorado, yes I was

886
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: our be an experienced runner at that point, but I

887
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: mean this was a whole different ballgame. The people who

888
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: live in Colorado are next level intense And I was

889
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: also learning to run an altitude while marathon training, and

890
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: I remember showing up for, you know, one of my

891
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: first run clubs, and I was so nervous about just

892
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: getting dropped. I didn't know the route I was doing,

893
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: like an eighteen mile run, and the one of the

894
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: women who had founded the run club was like, I

895
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: got you. I got two people ready to run with you.

896
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: They're going to run your work out with you, and

897
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: I was like, what, Like, I don't even know these people,

898
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: and they did. And the workout did not go well

899
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: by the way, Like I did not nail the workout.

900
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: I definitely walked a lot. I think I stopped go

901
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: to the bathroom at one point, and these two people

902
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: stayed with me the whole time, just so that nobody

903
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: would be left behind. I mean, it's not the run

904
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: club that I run with is not a no drop group,

905
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: but people don't get dropped, at least not in the

906
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: slower pace groups. And so I think if you do

907
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: your research and find a group that caters to the

908
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: type of running that you think you're capable of, then

909
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: you will be surprised by how we welcoming people are.

910
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: Nobody's trying to make anybody feel bad, nobody's trying to

911
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: make anybody feel less. Then you just have to show up.

912
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: What would you say that success would feel like for

913
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Speaker 3: you with Runner?

914
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: With Runner, I think success for Runner would be really

915
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: just creating that space for female runners. I want this

916
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: to be a safe place that really recognizes all aspects

917
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: of the running community. And when I think about success,

918
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: that really means just showing up on the page in

919
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: that way, but then bringing this brand to life off

920
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: the page as well. I hope that we can get

921
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Speaker 1: to a point where we are sort of a major

922
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Speaker 1: player in the conversations around women's running. You know, we're

923
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: showing up where runners are. And then at the end

924
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: of the day, I hope that we are able to

925
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: change some of the conversations around women's running and drive

926
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: real change in areas of the sport, whether it's representation

927
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: or you know, financial equality or I don't even know

928
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: what that looks like yet, but I hope that we

929
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: can get to a point where our stories are helping

930
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: shape a new conversation around women's running within the broader

931
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Speaker 1: running community.

932
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you think about and this is a

933
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: common thing that happens here. But I'm like, Okay, this

934
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: is what it could look like. Right, what does it

935
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: feel like?

936
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: Oh? It feels like an exhale. No, seriously, I remember

937
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: when we last week sent the first issue to the printer,

938
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean it's coming to your mailboxes, you know.

939
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: As soon as we do that, it means, you know,

940
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: we have finished every page of the magazine. We are

941
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: sending it to the printer. We have like one more

942
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: chance to kind of get it right. But it was

943
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: in that moment that I just felt this like weight

944
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: off my shoulders, Like I am so proud and excited

945
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: about it, and it might not be perfect, but we've

946
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: done the best that we can and now I can

947
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: just like relax a little bit, and I just I

948
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it feels like something that has

949
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: driven me practically manic at times, but also feels so

950
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: fulfilling and so exciting that I like can't wait to

951
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: do it again.

952
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: I love to hear that. How do you celebrate yourself?

953
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: Ash, You're like, that's funny.

954
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: What's that?

955
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: I ran ten miles down two thousand feet of elevation

956
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: and destroyed my legs? That's how I celebrate No, that's

957
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: literally what I did the next morning. How do I

958
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: celebrate myself? I'm not very good at that, to be honest,

959
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: I think that is an area that I could definitely improve.

960
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: I celebrated this by just taking some time for some

961
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: self care. I took a bath. You know. I love that.

962
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: I would really like to celebrate this on a larger

963
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: level with the running community. I think that's when the

964
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,959
Speaker 1: real celebration will happen, right, now it feels very like, well,

965
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: it's off to the printer and you'll see it in

966
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: your mailboxes in a couple of weeks. And so I

967
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: think I will really feel like celebrating when I have

968
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: it in my hands and when I see other people

969
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: have it in their hands, and then I will feel

970
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: like popping over a bottle of champagne. And I don't know,

971
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: treating myself to something.

972
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: Else and a full sugar coke.

973
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't need an excuse to treat myself to a

974
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: full sugar.

975
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: If anyone loves a full sugar coke, it's you.

976
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: I do well.

977
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: Right now, someone comes to your Instagram page, they see

978
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: you the editor in chief of Runner. They go to

979
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: your threads. You've got something like twenty four thousand people

980
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 3: over there. But when you look in the mirror, Ashley,

981
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: what is it that you see looking at you?

982
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: Hmm? I see someone who's trying her best. I don't

983
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: have it all figured out. I don't always get it right.

984
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: But I think when I look at myself right now,

985
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: I see somebody who has created a space that fits

986
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: really well, and I'm really excited to see how I

987
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: can expand that space.

988
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 3: I think it's so beautiful that you have that level

989
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: of recognition and appreciation for yourself. And I also I've

990
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 3: been having these conversations lately about intentions, and it's almost

991
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: like it starts with you when we talk about having

992
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: good intentions, Like, if you can have good intentions for

993
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: yourself and the work that you do, then you can

994
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: look in the mirror confidently and be like, I am

995
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: proud of who I am. And that also extends to

996
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: your relationships with other people. There are going to be

997
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: people in life that may not assume that you have

998
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: the best intentions. Well, if they you and they know

999
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 3: your heart and they still feel that way, they're probably

1000
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: not your people. Yeah, So to hear that you look

1001
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 3: in the mirror and you say, you know what, I'm

1002
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 3: really doing my best and like genuinely believing that it's

1003
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: something that's commendable.

1004
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: But it's also something that a lot of people struggle with.

1005
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a work in progress for sure. If

1006
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: you had asked me that six months ago, I don't

1007
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: know if I would have said that answer. I think

1008
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, you go through seasons where you sometimes feel

1009
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: good about yourself and sometimes you don't, and you could

1010
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: be trying your best in all aspects of your life

1011
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: and still not always feel great. And I've definitely had

1012
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: those times. I think there's been a real roller coaster

1013
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 1: emotionally at times. But I don't know. I think when

1014
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: you find something that feels good and feels like you're

1015
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: doing the right thing for you, it can change really quickly.

1016
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: And so I just when I look at Runner, I

1017
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: think this is what.

1018
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: Fits right now, hold on to the good right Yeah,

1019
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: well right now, Ash, you have an opportunity to offer

1020
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 3: yourself a piece of advice. I'm going to go back

1021
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 3: and talk a little bit about that roller coaster that

1022
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 3: is being your own boss, that is being a freelance journalist,

1023
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: that is struggling to land pitches and find money and

1024
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 3: asking yourself, what the hell am I doing here?

1025
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: Knowing what you know?

1026
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: Now?

1027
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 3: What advice would you give to yourself during these hurdle moments?

1028
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: Trust yourself. I think the nature of freelancing is kind

1029
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: of feast or famine, and so when you are in

1030
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: those famine periods, it's really hard to trust that it

1031
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: will work out. And I think for me it came

1032
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: down to trusting my resume and my portfolio and my

1033
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: connections and my belief in this idea. You know, it's

1034
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: it's really hard to take that leap of faith and

1035
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: know that you're going to have to put earning an

1036
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: income on the back burner for a little while in

1037
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: order to bring a project like this to life. But

1038
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: the way that I've gotten through it is really just

1039
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: trusting the process. I believe that this is a good idea.

1040
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: I believe that other people believe this is a good idea,

1041
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: and you know, we'll see.

1042
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: I would be remiss if I let you go today

1043
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: before I just at least get the backstory of where

1044
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: you were when you decided that the name was Runner.

1045
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: Oh God, that was like one of those ideas that

1046
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: just like came to me at night, like it just

1047
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: it truly just popped into my head and I was like, oh,

1048
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: if I start a magazine, that's the name, that's the name.

1049
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love when it clicks like that.

1050
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: I know it was just one of them. I was like,

1051
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: I can't let this go. This is too good to

1052
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: pass up. So now I'm waiting for that inspiration to

1053
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: strike me. I need a shirt.

1054
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: Oh a shirt. We need a woman's slogan shirt.

1055
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: So if you're listening, to this and you have an

1056
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 3: idea for Ash, you can find her on the social

1057
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 3: which we're going to get to you.

1058
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: Ash. So happy that we had this conversation today. For

1059
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: those that.

1060
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 3: Aren't following along with you just yet, give us the info.

1061
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 3: Where do we find you and where do we find Runner?

1062
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: You can find me on all platforms at Ashley Matteo

1063
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: and same with Runner at Runner Mag. Find us on

1064
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: Instagram threads. We've got all the other platforms. We'll get

1065
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: to putting content up there eventually, and then runnermag dot

1066
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: com is where you can subscribe.

1067
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: So excited for you.

1068
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily Body and at Hurdle Podcast another

1069
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 3: Hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time