WEBVTT - Ep. 290: Blurred Lines - Good Guys vs. Bad Guys

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<v Speaker 1>So they started getting the attention of national newspapers, Chart Observer,

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times and all by these raids on the town,

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<v Speaker 1>taking independent farmers out, flag and of course he had

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<v Speaker 1>lynchings going on throughout South. But when they started raiding

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<v Speaker 1>his towns, like what the headlines says, Kentucky town raided

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<v Speaker 1>and burned by night riders. This is post Civil War

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<v Speaker 1>and the Norse still kind of looked upon the South

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<v Speaker 1>as being violent. Anyway, around that time, we had had

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<v Speaker 1>Fields McCoy's and Kentucky especially, It's always had a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>dark and bloody land. It's always be had of bloody history.

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<v Speaker 2>On this finale episode, the tobacco wars of Kentucky and

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<v Speaker 2>Tennessee are in full swing and the stage is set

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<v Speaker 2>for a showdown between the Tobacco Planners Association for the

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<v Speaker 2>poor farmers and the corporate giant known as the Duke Trust.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're American Tobacco Company. The players are as old

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<v Speaker 2>as time. It's the rich versus the poor, but the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between the good guys and the bad guys remains blurred.

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<v Speaker 2>The region known as the Black Patch grows the finest

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<v Speaker 2>dark fired tobacco in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>But the struggle is much bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>Than tobacco, and the tools of terror are arson, beatings

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<v Speaker 2>and sabotage meant to impact the national economy, but did

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<v Speaker 2>it even really work. I really doubt that you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>want to miss this one.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminded me we were going to one of these

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<v Speaker 1>speeches somewhere years ago, and on the way there, Paul said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna You're not gonna give them the whole

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<v Speaker 1>ball of works, are you. I said, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>mean I'm gonna give? I mean tell the whole You're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna tell the whole story again? And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>well you don't. It's a little hard to just tell

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<v Speaker 1>in sound bites.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke the Other Knight to a group in Princeton

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<v Speaker 1>and Princeton Kentucky going up there talking to that group

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<v Speaker 1>about the night Riders, or it's like going to the

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<v Speaker 1>Vatican and talking about Catholicism. I mean they have the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Patch Parade. Had David Amos lived there, his home

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<v Speaker 1>was there. They have Tobica les engraved on the side

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<v Speaker 1>of the courthouse, in the structure of it. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>some of them, they can stand there and tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about how their uncles was so and so.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Bill Cunningham, a former Kentucky Supreme Court justice

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<v Speaker 2>and the author of the book On Bended Knees about

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<v Speaker 2>the night Rider Tobacco Wars between nineteen oh four and

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh nine. He painted a clear picture of the

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<v Speaker 2>significance of tobacco and how it's long been etched into

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<v Speaker 2>the culture of Kentucky. And when things are that important,

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<v Speaker 2>they become culturally heightened because of the potential gain or

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<v Speaker 2>ruin in their wake. But the high stakes also make

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<v Speaker 2>them a potential tinder box of chaos, unrest, and even violence.

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<v Speaker 2>But a gauge of something's cultural importance often is found

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<v Speaker 2>in music, and tobacco often shows up in the music

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<v Speaker 2>about Kentucky. I can't vouch for the character of outlaw

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<v Speaker 2>country musicians David allen Coe, not even a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've respected him as a songwriter since I was

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<v Speaker 2>a teenager, and I want to listen to one of

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<v Speaker 2>his songs. And if why Harlan County is in Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>If folks in Harlan County.

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<v Speaker 4>Lord, they knew we were born Still It's called my Daddy,

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<v Speaker 4>Preacher Dan, But Daddy weren't no preacher.

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<v Speaker 5>The sweet I.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't recollect ever, Heir of Popaul talk of nothing but

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<v Speaker 4>the land, and Daddy was here.

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<v Speaker 5>Was read Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>That song is called Daddy was a god fearing man.

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<v Speaker 2>The pastoral imagery of an uneducated but godfear and farmer

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<v Speaker 2>is strong in the lore of rural America, and it

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<v Speaker 2>paints the picture of poverty, purity, naivity, and the righteous

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<v Speaker 2>work ethic of some one whose hands are calloused by

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<v Speaker 2>rocks and dirt. What's not overtly said, but is implied,

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<v Speaker 2>is that this song is being listened to with the

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<v Speaker 2>contextual backdrop of a rapidly urbanizing and industrialized America, and

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<v Speaker 2>by leaning into this romantic idea of the farmer, tapping

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<v Speaker 2>into its nostalgia, which Americans love to do. In a way,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pitting the agrarian way of life against the urban

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<v Speaker 2>industrial America, which clearly dominates the national hegemon. But listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the next verse and listen for the mention of

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<v Speaker 2>America's old smoky friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Saint really always screw tobag of the old heat and

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<v Speaker 4>not smoke yourself, and the bag drum around, and he

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<v Speaker 4>never touched to drop the flicker that I can't recall

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<v Speaker 4>combam is living on the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, tobacco, you heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've got to admit that this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite songs of all time. And it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>until I understood the significance of tobacco farming in this

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<v Speaker 2>region that I really got it.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Lord Heaven.

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<v Speaker 5>Far grown out.

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<v Speaker 2>Being the best tobacco farmer around was a thing of

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<v Speaker 2>rural prestige, where families passed on generational knowledge about this

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<v Speaker 2>crop that became a source of pride. But not far

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<v Speaker 2>from the surface, its foundation was in the financial uplift

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<v Speaker 2>it brought to families. Like most things in society, it

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<v Speaker 2>all went back to money. But I think there's some

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<v Speaker 2>potential inherent philosophical flaws in this song. It's idealistic to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that simply by being a farmer that you have

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<v Speaker 2>some inherent righteousness or pure lifestyle. And don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm prone to buy into the nostalgic stereotype myself. I

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<v Speaker 2>love farmers. But why this story of these tobacco farming

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<v Speaker 2>night writers is so interesting? Because these good hearted farmers

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<v Speaker 2>did some pretty dark stuff when empowered under the cover

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<v Speaker 2>of darkness, black masks, and a righteous mission against a

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<v Speaker 2>corporate criminal. I'm here to decide if they were justified,

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<v Speaker 2>and even think about where I would have stood if

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<v Speaker 2>I lived during that time. To rehash the high points

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<v Speaker 2>of this story, The Dark Fired Tobacco Planters Protection Association

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<v Speaker 2>was formed in nineteen oh four to protect the interest

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<v Speaker 2>of the tobacco farmers as prices plummeted because of the

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<v Speaker 2>monopoly of the Duke True American Tobacco. The trust monopolized

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<v Speaker 2>the buying of tobacco, forcing farmers to sell at a deficit,

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<v Speaker 2>wrecking the economies of the regions built around tobacco. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Tobacco Association formed to monopolize the selling. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh four, they had five thousand members, but by nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh six they had twenty five thousand. The Night Riders

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<v Speaker 2>formed as the unofficial clandestine strong arm of the Association,

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<v Speaker 2>whose first mission was to get all the tobacco farmers

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<v Speaker 2>of the region to join the association, but the mission

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<v Speaker 2>gradually shifted to beatings, sabotaging non association members crops, and

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<v Speaker 2>large scale arson.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were violence that broke out, and other places

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<v Speaker 1>could took it to sea. Maybe I'd say all the

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<v Speaker 1>states that grew Tovaica, but they were just kind of sporadic.

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<v Speaker 1>You had this well all well structured military type organization

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<v Speaker 1>only here in West Kentucky. That's one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that makes it fascinate.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last episode, Bill told us how this was

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<v Speaker 2>the time period when America was sorting out the issues

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<v Speaker 2>between labor and capital.

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<v Speaker 3>The workers versus corporate interests.

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<v Speaker 2>The struggle was happening everywhere and in things outside of

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<v Speaker 2>tobacco farming. But according to Bill's book, this was the

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<v Speaker 2>most sustained violence and unrest in America between the Civil

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<v Speaker 2>War and the race rights of the nineteen sixties. But

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<v Speaker 2>the tobacco War wasn't just instigated by farmers, but by

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<v Speaker 2>other people that didn't even grow tobacco.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've kind of come around to think well economically

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the problems was then being the only

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<v Speaker 1>in carriage crop. Your banker depended on it, the grocery

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<v Speaker 1>store guy who you bought money on credit. So the

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<v Speaker 1>business is small. Business had an economy dependency on the

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<v Speaker 1>success of darkfire tobacco, and when it wasn't successful, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get paid, So they had an economic interest in

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that probably maybe half the people approved

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<v Speaker 1>of what they were trying to get done and but

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<v Speaker 1>disagree with the method.

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<v Speaker 2>Where tobacco grew. It was a cash crop that people

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<v Speaker 2>used to live above subsistence, which is important. And as

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<v Speaker 2>they say, a rising tide lifts all boats. You probably

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<v Speaker 2>remember clips from the historic interview from the mid nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighties where our guy right here, Bill Cunningham interviewed the then

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven year old Joe Scott. So in the nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy was ninety seven years old who at the

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<v Speaker 2>time was the last living night writer. Here's Joe Scott

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<v Speaker 2>responding to a pivotal question of why tobacco prices fell,

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<v Speaker 2>This was the reason for the war. The audio isn't

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<v Speaker 2>perfect with old Joe, but it's worth it. So hanging there.

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<v Speaker 5>Firel prices down.

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<v Speaker 6>What happened?

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<v Speaker 3>What caused the prices to go down?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, but the way I look at it, these tobacco

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<v Speaker 6>companies they would get about four times as much. Say

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<v Speaker 6>we got it, we got three and a half four dollars,

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<v Speaker 6>and they get about twenty twenty twenty five trus They

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<v Speaker 6>didn't make it about four and five times as much

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<v Speaker 6>as what you get it. They get all the four

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<v Speaker 6>dollars there. We wouldn't getting nothing. They would getting it

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<v Speaker 6>all though. She wasn't no way, wasn't no way of

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<v Speaker 6>changing them, and they had in their head they wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>going to change. You see, the government wouldn't do a

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<v Speaker 6>thing about it. Don't see these lawyers wouldn't do nothing. Bucks,

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<v Speaker 6>they wouldn't do nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Buts the tobacco companies were making four and five times

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<v Speaker 2>as much as the farmer. Does that sound familiar today?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, the government wasn't helping and there was no

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<v Speaker 2>way of changing them. You can hear the frustration in

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<v Speaker 2>his voice even eighty years later. The Tobacco Association felt

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<v Speaker 2>justified at whatever means they needed, so their unofficial strong arm,

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<v Speaker 2>called the night Riders, took charge. But who were these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They were masked, they were clandestine. This is Bill referencing

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<v Speaker 2>why Joe Scott was talking late in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he says, the only reason he's talking now because

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<v Speaker 1>they're all dead. Nobody put him in his grave. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, you get old, I get like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like this kind of now. You hear him talking

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<v Speaker 1>about all this story, wasting your time, Joe Scott. If

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<v Speaker 1>you watched this interview with him, you see what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of man he was at one hundred. I can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what he was like at eighteen and what you would

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<v Speaker 1>have been at eighteen nine. And I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them just teenage boys. This is as good as it gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you look back in history and wonder why people

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<v Speaker 2>did what they did. I think Bill's assessment of these

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<v Speaker 2>were young boys saying and thinking this is as good

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<v Speaker 2>as it gets is a good assessment because that can

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<v Speaker 2>be a license to be reckless, and people still do

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<v Speaker 2>that today. The first couple of years, the Night Rid's

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<v Speaker 2>primary job was to convince tobacco farmers to join the

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<v Speaker 2>association and not sell to the Duke Trust. It was

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<v Speaker 2>simple because some joined and other tobacco farmers just wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>and when they went on these outings, they called it

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<v Speaker 2>going on a visit, which varied from a cordial conversation

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<v Speaker 2>if a person was cooperative to a nighttime front yard beaten.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Joe Scott on why he went on these visits

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<v Speaker 2>and later on these raids. It's a little hard to understand,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's such an incredible interview it's worth it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of left it ap to you on whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not to go, though they didn't order you too well.

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<v Speaker 6>I said it when you look right down in borland

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<v Speaker 6>him short of not say nothing, said he go make

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<v Speaker 6>you have a different feelings, you know it. That's where

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<v Speaker 6>you now said I might be a token too much.

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<v Speaker 6>I looked down and go and thorough take a little

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<v Speaker 6>not to tell this thing that I've told it now.

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<v Speaker 6>So Joe getting in troubled.

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<v Speaker 5>Left nobody there, nobody left.

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<v Speaker 6>You're the last well, I know, but there some some

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<v Speaker 6>gun might be just a little smaller than you are.

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<v Speaker 5>He might pick up something longer.

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<v Speaker 6>Huh, yeah, we take care of you that I might

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<v Speaker 6>pick up something more. Are there any are you probably

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<v Speaker 6>the last one left?

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<v Speaker 5>Word don't know it?

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, no, he moves, I said, I not that

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<v Speaker 6>I know of.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you the last one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to hear the old man still hesitant to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the night Riders. But he was the last one. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe didn't view anything he did personally as criminal. He

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<v Speaker 2>was fighting a criminal, the Duke Trust. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>any of the people that that you might have been

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<v Speaker 2>in on taking out to whip do you think any

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<v Speaker 2>of them are still around?

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<v Speaker 6>No? No them around either.

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<v Speaker 2>When you when you did take somebody out, tell me about,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me about what would happen? Well, you you'd ride

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<v Speaker 2>toward them, and how would all that happen?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, and most of them, most of them come out

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<v Speaker 6>telling you they wouldn't go to do so, And so

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<v Speaker 6>they tell them what you've been talking to us.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, you.

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<v Speaker 6>Wouldn't go to visit there's none of our business. You

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<v Speaker 6>wouldn't go to the Barker. I'm still going to stay

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<v Speaker 6>with with a company, you know, and so on, and

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<v Speaker 6>we we think you were it, and give you all

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<v Speaker 6>the invitation in the worlds quick enough by the buck,

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<v Speaker 6>and you're going ahead, blue Hiddings and we're going to work.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not afraid, not any of this that time. They

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<v Speaker 6>just so they didn't take much word about.

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<v Speaker 5>They just take your whip.

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<v Speaker 6>They go to WHOOPI wasn't I'm about full five for

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<v Speaker 6>we get older two and old each home. You know

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<v Speaker 6>what it is trailed around us and some of the

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<v Speaker 6>observer three two thousand for fuels.

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<v Speaker 3>Son, he said, they'd take you out and whip you over. Son.

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<v Speaker 2>That's if you were bullheaded and kept selling to the

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<v Speaker 2>Duke Trust. In American tobacco, the night Riders had three

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<v Speaker 2>intimidation tools in their belt and a personal visit and

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<v Speaker 2>whooping was option one. Option two was sabotaging or scraping

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<v Speaker 2>a non association.

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<v Speaker 3>Member's tobacco beds.

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<v Speaker 2>And this meant while your entire year's crop was just

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<v Speaker 2>starting to come up, they'd go out at night and

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<v Speaker 2>destroy it and it would be too late to start over.

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<v Speaker 2>They called the people that did this hoe totors as

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing this work with a whole at night. Thirdly,

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<v Speaker 2>and what would be the most destructive task of the

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<v Speaker 2>Night Writers were these military style raids into cities where

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<v Speaker 2>they'd take over a whole city and burn down the

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<v Speaker 2>tobacco barns of the Duke Trust, causing enormous physical and

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<v Speaker 2>financial damage because the private beatings just weren't working.

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen oh five and October nineteen oh five, then you

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<v Speaker 1>move it now. That's when I think these individuals flags

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<v Speaker 1>and everything happened fairday click because by the summer nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh six, David Amos, probably in the conference with Youing

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, look, these boys are having a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fun with this, but we're not changing the prices. Nothing's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to attack the Duke Trust where it hurts,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's in the pocket Book. That's when they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of shifted away from the infliction of punishment upon the

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<v Speaker 1>Independence to destroying the Tobaica owned by the American Tobacco Company,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was their raids on Princeton, Russellville, Hopkinsville, Eddieville.

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<v Speaker 1>You know this book. I wrote this book at the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect time because up the time I wrote, nobody talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So I had an opportunity. Don't only talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Joe Scott, also had opportunity to talk to another sententarium,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred year old S. M. Martin, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>former marshall. He was the marshall of Eddyville the night

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<v Speaker 1>that the Night Writers rated Eddyville. And if you read

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<v Speaker 1>the book, you know, I quote some in there from

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<v Speaker 1>sem Martin. On December first, nineteen o six, they rated

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<v Speaker 1>Princeton Nightriares three hundred strong, burned the warehouses and made

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<v Speaker 1>their way out highly successful, about three hundred of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They came into town past midnight. They took the fire

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<v Speaker 1>brigade hostage. They took the police department hostage. They took

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<v Speaker 1>the telephone ladies at the switchboard and held them based

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<v Speaker 1>so they couldn't call out for help. They came in

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<v Speaker 1>and burned two warehouses, caused a lot of damage, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the congregated in the court Ell Square and they

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<v Speaker 1>rode out of town together singing to the tune of

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<v Speaker 1>Old Kentucky Home. The burn the fires burned bright from

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<v Speaker 1>my old Kentucky home. Highly succession, The fires burn bright

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<v Speaker 1>right on my.

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<v Speaker 5>Old Kentucky home.

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<v Speaker 1>It's some and everyone's gay.

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<v Speaker 5>The corn tops rap and.

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<v Speaker 3>The medals are emblem while the burns.

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<v Speaker 5>They make music all day.

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<v Speaker 3>In Princeton, Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Under the instruction of the country doctor and the leader

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<v Speaker 2>of the night Riders, this medical doctor David Amos, He

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<v Speaker 2>led three hundred masked armed men on horseback and the

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<v Speaker 2>military formation into town.

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<v Speaker 3>Took the whole place.

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<v Speaker 2>Hostage men soaked the two Duke Trust in American tobacco

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<v Speaker 2>barns with kerosene and dynamite and lit them on fire,

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<v Speaker 2>and within minutes there was a giant explosion and raging

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<v Speaker 2>inferno as four hundred thousand pounds of Trust tobacco went

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<v Speaker 2>up in flames and the barns of the Tobacco Planners

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<v Speaker 2>Association were untouched. You can start to see the logic.

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<v Speaker 2>If the association is the only one with tobacco to sell,

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<v Speaker 2>the Trust will have to subject themselves to the prices

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<v Speaker 2>demanded by the association. It seems like a fell proof plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Insurance companies started to drop the policies on Duke Trust

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<v Speaker 2>barns all across the region. People lived in terror, and

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<v Speaker 2>many people even moved out of the Black Patch to

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<v Speaker 2>get away from the chaos. People could only guess where

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<v Speaker 2>it would happen next, because there were tobacco barns all

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<v Speaker 2>across the South and this was going on in other

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the South. Just the Black Patch was the

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<v Speaker 2>main place, and it was partly because there was only

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<v Speaker 2>one country. Doctor slash military mastermind slash defender of the

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<v Speaker 2>poor farmers, Doctor David Amos. You'll get to decide if

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<v Speaker 2>he was a villain or if he was a hero.

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<v Speaker 2>But his operations were the apex of the tobacco.

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<v Speaker 1>Wars, so buddy, and then they had raids here on Eddyville,

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<v Speaker 1>basically a similar thing. He is raded on Eddyville that

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<v Speaker 1>there were some pretty severe beatings and they destroyed some warehouses.

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<v Speaker 1>That was later on in nacke O seventh they raided Russellville,

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky did the same thing. But then in December, December

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh, they planned the big raid on Hopkinsville.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopkinsville would be the big raid. That was the straw

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<v Speaker 2>that broke the mules back. Here's Joe Scott. I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>which raids he went to.

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<v Speaker 6>How many raids did you go?

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<v Speaker 1>Walk?

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<v Speaker 6>And I guess well, I went to hopkins Ville red

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<v Speaker 6>and he went to his raids and took the view.

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<v Speaker 6>Then I went to Bennett's raid. Then I went around.

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<v Speaker 6>We went to free HUDs that's night because they didn't

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<v Speaker 6>do nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>We just at the locators. I was about for full raids,

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<v Speaker 1>three fool rates.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe said he went to Eddieville, Hopkinsville and Bennett's raids.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an interesting section where Joe talks more about

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<v Speaker 2>doctor David Amos and something that happened at Hopkinsville.

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<v Speaker 6>The first one was he described him to us oh

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<v Speaker 6>Amas Tall. I always called him psychoge the old eggs.

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<v Speaker 5>You know it was a pretty good speaker.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, he didn't talk very loud, but he he

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<v Speaker 6>he made business on his words. He know, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>he placed them all where he wanted him to go.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you well.

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<v Speaker 6>Like I said, he had the sound goal, lead off

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<v Speaker 6>and more.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess, I guess.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess he had every man the name ever talked

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<v Speaker 6>to him. He didn't, he didn't. He didn't talk too much.

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<v Speaker 6>He didn't talk, he didn't talk too much, but he

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<v Speaker 6>said he meant it though he was that away. He

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<v Speaker 6>said he read he was at hopkins Jim says, I

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<v Speaker 6>know Hawkins will was just like i'd the way he

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<v Speaker 6>sees and I guess he did. He knew where the

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<v Speaker 6>police over man and another room man got shot apparent

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<v Speaker 6>of that night. I don't know. I don't remember who

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<v Speaker 6>he was.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it interesting that this leader Amos wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>flashy speaker. He just meant what he said. That's probably

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<v Speaker 2>good leadership advice. Joe mentioned that only one guy got

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<v Speaker 2>shot that night. Well, I'll let you take a guess

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<v Speaker 2>who that was.

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<v Speaker 1>And David Amos wrote, riding in a bug and he

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<v Speaker 1>was leading. They gathered from all different areas and about

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred went into Pompkinsville and they took over the streets,

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<v Speaker 1>took over the fire department brigade and put them their custody,

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<v Speaker 1>and they destroyed two or three of the Tobico warehouses

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<v Speaker 1>there and as they were leaving. Before they were leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>David Amlos was wounded by one of his own proofs accident.

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<v Speaker 2>The Hopkinsville raid took place on November seventh, nineteen oh seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and over four hundred mass riders taken over the town

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<v Speaker 2>and just like in Princeton, it took over the police station,

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<v Speaker 2>the fire station, cut the phone lines, and took over

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<v Speaker 2>the state Militia armory, and then they lit the Duke

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<v Speaker 2>Trust tobacco barns on fire. However, in Hopkinsville there was

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<v Speaker 2>a backfire. The Association barns were close to the Duke

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Trust barns and they all ended up burning, creating massive

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<v Speaker 2>chaos and even destruction to the Association members. It was

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<v Speaker 2>reported that over three hundred thousand dollars in damages were

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<v Speaker 2>done that night, which would be equivalent to millions to day.

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<v Speaker 2>When the fires stopped, it was reported that the Methodist

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<v Speaker 2>church had thirty two bullet holes, the local judge's house

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<v Speaker 2>had eight bullet holes, and they shot one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five rounds into the office of the city judge.

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<v Speaker 2>It was massive economic run and it spread terror throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the black Patch. And after it was all over, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>David Amos would survive the gunshot wound. Here's more from Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one humorous story that came out of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Meacham was a newspaper editor and mayor Hopfield and

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<v Speaker 1>he ran the newspaper The Kentucky. He was adam an

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<v Speaker 1>anti night rider. See you getting back. There were people

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<v Speaker 1>in places of influence that were ran against the night

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 1>rartor here heard the mayor of Hopkinsville also the newspaper editor.

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<v Speaker 1>So the night riters wanted to get him and give

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<v Speaker 1>him a good beating mother or there, and they started

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<v Speaker 1>looking for him, and Meecham went downtown because he's the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor of the town's on fire. They see him, they

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<v Speaker 1>start chasing him down through the streets. He runs down

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<v Speaker 1>this alleyway that dead end out there next to the

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<v Speaker 1>Baptist church. He thinks he's been had, but he looks

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<v Speaker 1>over toward the basement of the Baptist church and here

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<v Speaker 1>was one of these coal shoots going down in it,

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember the coal shoots, and before they put

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<v Speaker 1>the coal in it for the first he's just barely

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<v Speaker 1>able to get in that coal shoot and slides down

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<v Speaker 1>into the basement of the Babtist church and it escapes

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<v Speaker 1>the night Riders because these are all God fearing man

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<v Speaker 1>people who don't think we can go into church and

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<v Speaker 1>do this. So he escaped, but the night Riders had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun out of him because they said

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<v Speaker 1>that Charles means the only sprinkled Methodist saint saving a

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<v Speaker 1>water dunk in Baptist church.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Years after Bill wrote his book, he would find some

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that brought the facts of that cute little story

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<v Speaker 2>into question. But a good story is a good story,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when it's making fun of Methodists.

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<v Speaker 3>Just kidding, well, sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's an update on how things were going on

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<v Speaker 2>the macro scale of the Association's By nineteen oh seven,

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<v Speaker 2>the Tobacco Association was selling ninety percent, that's ninety percent

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<v Speaker 2>of all tobacco grown in the black patch, and prices

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<v Speaker 2>had gone back up to seven cents per pound from

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<v Speaker 2>three to four cents. It seemed to be working. However,

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>history will later reveal whether the price increase was caused

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<v Speaker 2>by the Night Riders or other factors in the market

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 2>that had nothing to do with them. Nineteen oh seven

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<v Speaker 2>to nineteen oh eight were the most active years of

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<v Speaker 2>the Night Riders, and it's when these military style terror

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 2>raids started making national headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>So they started getting the attention of national newspapers, Chart Observer,

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times and all by these raids on the

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<v Speaker 1>town that, you know, taking independent farmers out flag. Of

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 1>course he had Lynching's going on through it. So but

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<v Speaker 1>when they started raiding his towns like what the headlines says,

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.159
<v Speaker 1>could think it was a Charlotte Observer maybe in the

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 1>New York town said Kentucky town raided and burned by

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>night Riders and all that went down, of course, and

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>got all that was a high watermark was the hopkins

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Field raids. This is post Civil War, and the Knower

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:19.479
<v Speaker 1>still kind of looked upon the South as being violent anyway.

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>So so what I think around that time, we had

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>had fields McCoy's and Kentucky especially, It's always had a

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>reputation dark and bloody land, and it's always been a

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>head of bloody history.

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 2>The Hopkinsville raid in nineteen oh seven was at the

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 2>pinnacle of the night riders dirty deeds in the black Patch.

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>But what we haven't figured out yet is whether this

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 2>was working to bring the prices of tobacco back up. Remember,

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing is about the poor farmers fighting a

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>corporate criminal monopoly. We've just discussed two of five major

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>raids where hundreds of thousands of dollars of trust tobacco

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 2>were destroyed and Association tobacco, So it seems like it

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>would have to be significant, But maybe it wasn't because

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 2>the black patch is relatively small compared to where tobacco

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>has grown. But what was wild is that they could

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 2>never catch these night writers and prosecute them. This was

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 2>before massive video surveillance, fingerprinting, DNA collection at crime scenes,

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>and they just couldn't catch these guys. But more than anything,

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 2>most people were afraid to talk because they'd be snitching

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 2>on family or friends. In these tight knit communities. But

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the end for the night Writers involved

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 2>a woman named Mary Lou Holloway from Princeton, Kentucky.

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Very Lou Hollowood was running a boarding house there. She

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>was good looking, which made her unpopular with the women,

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and she was opinionated, which made her unpopular with the men.

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>And she'd go about blashing the night rider at Burbally.

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>It kind of tolerated because John On Hallowell, her brother

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>in law, was ahead of the night rudders and Harwell came.

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>But then she said, in April nineteen o seven, she said,

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go to the Grand jury and get

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people indicted who were involved in this

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>raid on Princeton. I heard conversations in my boarding house

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>dining room named I know who is involved. I heard

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>admissions being made. I'm going to get it in dank.

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>So she went over to the courthouse and the Grand

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>juris in session, went up there and knocked on the door.

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 1>They let her testify and she started telling them all

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. Well ploy half of the grand jury or

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>night Riders, so they weren't going to die anybody. But

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>then they told the night riders. John hollywell, look we

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>got to do something to get out of control, said okay,

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>we'll teach her a little lesson. So they sent them

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>night writers out to scrape her plant beds. I'm matre

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 1>to tell you about the plant bed. You scraped the

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>plant beds, they may not be able to get out

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>of crop. Plant ate scraped to the plant beds that night. Well,

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Mary Lou blew a gasket and said, I know who

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>did this. Your brother in law, John Holliwa did this.

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>And well, we're not going to tole Reve. And then

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>about a week later, John Hollowell's plant bed gets scraped,

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 1>So that call for the sheriff to come out to

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>investigate because the night rider of plant bed got scraped.

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>He went out there and it was really a clumsy job.

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>They found the day book they belonged to there where

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the scraping took place. Of Steve's shot and he worked

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>for Mary Lou. They found a trail in the do

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 1>leading up to Ned Pettitt's house. He'd also worked by work.

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>So they get those boys and take them downtown to

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>sweat a confession out of them. You have Marrily who

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>paid his five dollars to go out there and scrape

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the plant bed Then they decided, since the scraping the

0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>plant beds didn't have their to have to go and

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>do something more drastic. So they went out there on

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>made first to her house. They circled it, they started

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>shooting into it and threatened to burn the house down

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.719
<v Speaker 1>if it didn't come out. And they come out and

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>they beat Robert tying around that big hacked their tree

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>to beat him, and she was trying to protect him

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>to beat her too, and she got flying glass cut

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>her from the gunshots and all that, and they told

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>him that they didn't get out of county, they're gonna

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>be killed.

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Mary lew and Robert would flee out of state, but

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>would go gather up some good lawyers and come back

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 2>to Kentucky and press charges against the night Riders.

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>They came back, he filed a suit in federal district

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>court in Baduka. Federal court at that time they drew

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>their jury from all the way up to Louisville. So

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>now they're gonna have geors and they're not gonna have sympathy.

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>First jury trial had a militia and Baduka had bodyguards

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>for Robert Mary lou they came back hung jury. Second trial,

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I got thirty five thousand dollars verdict, which is like

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>millions today. So that was the beginning of the end.

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Mary lou Win in thirty five grand in federal court

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 2>against the Night Riders started the ball rolling towards the

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 2>public sentiment turning on the terror and destruction of the group.

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Other cases started to pop up and people started winning

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:40.719
<v Speaker 2>suits against the Night Riders. Additionally, the mission started to drift,

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>and the Night Riders, empowered by masks and power, started

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 2>being more vigilante and personal and less mission focused, and

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>they started doing a bunch of stuff not connected to

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 2>this tobacco mission. And additionally, in nineteen oh seven, a

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 2>new governor was elected on a law and order ticket,

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>and during this campaign he guaranteed that he'd stop the

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Night Writers. But at this point, the Night Writers were

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>winning the war, and the governor would call in the

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 2>state militia to guard some cities and these tobacco warehouses

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 2>that they thought might be targets. But here's another interesting

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 2>data point, because we're only looking at the Night Writers.

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, these guys that are defending the poor farmers,

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 2>But what about the huge corporate monopoly of the Duke Trust.

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen oh seven, the tobacco tycoon Buck Duke, James

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Buck Duke, his personal net worth was around two hundred

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>million dollars. Two hundred million is an enormous amount of

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 2>wealth in nineteen oh seven. Could these raids destroying a

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 2>couple hundred thousand dollars worth of tobacco really matter to

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the Duke Trust?

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 3>Prices had gone back up?

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 2>But was it because the Tobacco Association and the Night

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Writers was what they did effective?

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:00.359
<v Speaker 6>Think?

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, the whole essence of it. Although all that

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>is pretty much romantic, it wasn't really very effective. People

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 1>asked me, you know, we'd like to think, well, we

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 1>stood up to the Duke Trust and by God we

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>made them give in, and all I don't even know

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>the Duke giving to you about all this stuffer on.

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 1>People asked me who won? Did the light Writers win?

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I said, no, Knight Writers don't win democracy one. But

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the beauty of what this story represents is, yes there's violence,

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>and yes there's lawlesses, but in the end, law and

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 1>order prevailed in the courts. The victims and all got

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>they got the justice in the courts system, so that

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>became a deterrent. That's what really killed the night Riders

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.760
<v Speaker 1>was here in this area were all the civil suits

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 1>whenever they success was successful in the Baduka case, thirty

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars verdict against guys that are out there

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>because they're in the organization, because they don't have any

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>money to start with, and then the whole energy just shifts.

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 2>The whole energy of the movement really shifted when doctor

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>David Amos, a night Rider's leader, was prosecuted for the

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 2>burning of Hopkinsville. As you listened to the section, let

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>me remind you that Bill Cunningham was a member of

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 2>the Kentucky Supreme Court and a judge his whole career.

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.839
<v Speaker 1>He had a couple of informants that turned and gave

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the state's evidence against Amos, and then no question that

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 1>he was guilty, and he denied it. He brought some

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>people in that kind of tried to establish it. He

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of lying going on. At ninety he

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>said he wasn't involved in it. He was an all

0:36:56.040 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>male jewelry, some farmers. They found him not guilty then

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>though he was by that time running from lawsuits because

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 1>they all sued him as the other PRIs he was.

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:11.439
<v Speaker 1>He was hiding out for seven or eight months trying

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to avoid the service of the marshals on the summons,

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>on the lawsuits. The verdict in the Hopkinsville in nineteen

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:23.080
<v Speaker 1>eleven is not so important as it was that they

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 1>prosecuted him, because the attitude toward him has changed it

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>up where the politicians feel politically safe in prosecuting him

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:34.959
<v Speaker 1>and the quandarant all that has always been the herero

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Old David Amos lied under oath, but he was in

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a conflicting situation. He had two olds s. He had

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>taken one to the Knight Writers to be loyal, not

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>to divulge any enfany blah blah blah blah blah, and

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 1>then he picked that oath to fallow and stood the

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:59.280
<v Speaker 1>one imposed by the law, you know, and testifying in trial. Well, naturally,

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't approve of it. I can't approve of it,

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 1>but I've sent a lot of people with the penitentiary

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>that I sympathize with. I've sent a lot of people

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.399
<v Speaker 1>that I know why these kids, like that I knew

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>his daddy daddy abused him, or that I had a

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of sympathy for him. So no, I don't approve it.

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I can't approve it, sworn numerous times uphold the Constitution

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 1>in the law, but I have a great empathy and

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>sympathy with them, just like moonshining. Moonshining in this area

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 1>back during the Great Depression, my dad and his friendows

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 1>that's the way they survived. Would I approve breaking the law, No,

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:44.280
<v Speaker 1>but I have greep sympathy.

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:49.479
<v Speaker 2>For It's interesting to me the sympathy the South has

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 2>for moonshines. One of my good friends once asked me

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.800
<v Speaker 2>play will history one day look back and have sympathy

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.839
<v Speaker 2>for today's meth dealers? And it's point, wise is that

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 2>alcohol has destroyed more families and people than probably anything.

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 3>But to get back to our story.

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 2>In the end, doctor David Amos went free, was never

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>convicted even though they knew he was guilty.

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 3>So how does that work?

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I want to hear why the judicial system failed or

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:22.760
<v Speaker 2>did it?

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>It was? It was? It was what we call jury nullification.

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>You ever heard that term. I've had many people when

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I was trial and come with attorney, were frustrating for

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 1>become with attorney. This guy is guilty as hell, we

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 1>we ain't see him as the penitentiary, and we're the

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 1>ones that called the shot. You gave us the law

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 1>beyond reading. Yeah, we believe he's guilty. We believe he's given.

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a jury nullification where they say, hey,

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not this is all over. It's been a good

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>country doctor, had all these character witness he's given the poor.

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 1>He's done. He's sitting over with his wife, and you know,

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eleven, I think you just said we're not We're

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 1>going to end it right here.

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Jury notification. That's a new one to me, and I'm

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 2>conflicted on it. In some cases, I could see how

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 2>this judicial trick could be used for good when a

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 2>guilty person just doesn't deserve what the law prescribes as punishment.

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 2>But it also sounds like it could be misapplied in

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:28.240
<v Speaker 2>a good old boy system, letting some go, letting others

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 2>go pay the price. But by nineteen oh nine, tables

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 2>fully turned and the night rider movement came to an end.

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 2>But it came to an end because they weren't needed anymore.

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 2>So when you hear why, you'll wonder if their plan

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 2>really worked.

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 1>The economics of the country change Ao stand they got

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the Tobiquo attacks. Repeal consumption started going up about nineteen

0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>oh seven nineteen oh eight. About that time and New

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>York Federal Corps Appeals ruled that the American Tobacco Company

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 1>was in violation of the Sherman anti trust law and

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 1>they were going to have to break up their monopoly.

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>By in nineteen eleven Man that was affirmed by the

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>US Supreme Court. So Duke had to break his trust down. Well,

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>he was just as wealthy afterwards, but it affected the

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.760
<v Speaker 1>monopoly out here. So the pricius went up, and then

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the mood really changed.

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:33.320
<v Speaker 2>On November seventh, nineteen oh eight, the Duke Trust's American

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Tobacco Company was declared a monopoly.

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.280
<v Speaker 3>This was huge. This is what Joe Scott was saying

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 3>all along.

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 2>So at the end of this the Tobacco Association was

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>right and they were fighting a righteous war against the

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<v Speaker 2>corporate criminal. The other efforts were isolated in a small

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<v Speaker 2>area and tobacco was being grown in many other parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the country. You can't help but think these five

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<v Speaker 2>years of disruption to the tobacco industry gained the attention

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<v Speaker 2>of the nation. This is a complex story. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at it trying to decide who the good

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<v Speaker 2>and bad guys are, it can be confusing because the

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<v Speaker 2>good guys, sure as heck weren't the Duke Trust, corporate

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<v Speaker 2>tobacco criminals where they But you can't approve of the

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<v Speaker 2>terror beating and the arts and the night writers. Where

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<v Speaker 2>do you think you would have stood if you would

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<v Speaker 2>have been alive during this time and lived in.

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<v Speaker 3>The black Patch.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Bill talking about writing this book and a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>that he made.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be sure I was fair in a

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<v Speaker 1>projective because I had family roots and my grandfather was

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<v Speaker 1>probably a night writer, and I've heard rumblings in my family,

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<v Speaker 1>so I want to be sure I was fair in

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<v Speaker 1>a projective. The Night Writer. There are a bunch of outlaws, really,

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<v Speaker 1>and we get right. When I was writing this book,

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<v Speaker 1>I was district attorney, so I didn't want to come

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<v Speaker 1>out this year attorney making heroes. These guys so be balanced,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was never had anybody complained it was biased?

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<v Speaker 1>The mistake I made in the book. The book makes

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<v Speaker 1>it sound like that the opponents the Night Writer, I

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<v Speaker 1>use the term sometimes a thin minority. I'm convinced now

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<v Speaker 1>it was not a thin minority. It was probably the majority.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the night writers were probably a minority,

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<v Speaker 1>but the rest of them went along out of fear.

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<v Speaker 1>What makes me say that is the governor of Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>got elected Willison. Governor Wilson got elected on a law

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<v Speaker 1>and order plank that he was going to put down

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<v Speaker 1>the night wriuter, and he took all kinds of measures,

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in the militia and all that to suppress these

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<v Speaker 1>uprisings in East Town. We were occupied in Murrie, Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>was occupied by troops during the Civil War, Union troops

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<v Speaker 1>during the Civil War, and then also the state militia

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<v Speaker 1>less than forty years later. Well, people asked you who won?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, democracy won. Good guy, bad guy. Well they're

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<v Speaker 1>both right and they're both wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it when someone is able to objectively evaluate

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<v Speaker 2>their work.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the romance of it. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all American story. You watched Netflex when that take on

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<v Speaker 1>the corporation, who who? Who poisoned our streams? The big

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<v Speaker 1>corporations are painted at being bad guys, And this was

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<v Speaker 1>one where and that was the image I had really

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<v Speaker 1>growing up. But I like everything else they're not all good,

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<v Speaker 1>not all bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask Bill what he thinks we should

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<v Speaker 3>learn from all this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think we learn what a great country

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<v Speaker 1>we have, that we can absorb these types of men,

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<v Speaker 1>these things and survive. Just like, how did we survive

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<v Speaker 1>for two hundreds thirty years on a written document that

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<v Speaker 1>they were doctors were bleeding people when it was written,

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<v Speaker 1>it took you months to get across how we survived.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it shows because of law, because of democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Al Stanley responded by going to the legislature, then the

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<v Speaker 1>needs of the people and got the Tobiaco attacks. Responded

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<v Speaker 1>the court system, courageous judges, courageous jury. The court system

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<v Speaker 1>came down here and said, no, this is wrong, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you have all done these people damage. We're gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>you thirty five thousand dollars. It was the majesty of

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<v Speaker 1>the law that's up. And so that's what we learned

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<v Speaker 1>from it. And this, this struggle, I mean, is overthrown

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<v Speaker 1>governments all over this world, the struggle between the poor

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<v Speaker 1>and the rich and usually ends up first anarchy and

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<v Speaker 1>then the despot. But here we just law and order

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<v Speaker 1>got us through it. And they had a Christopher Craney jury.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't send David AMers the penitentiary, and because they

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<v Speaker 1>had some there were a certain amount of sympathy and compassion.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's what we learned for it does work,

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<v Speaker 1>but he takes people. I've learned this being a public

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<v Speaker 1>servant for fifty years. You can hear the best system

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. You still in the end, who got

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<v Speaker 1>to help good people to stand up and do what's right?

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<v Speaker 1>And you got to have citizens like Mary loom Plie.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't the only one either.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an odd irony at the end of this story.

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<v Speaker 2>After James Buck Duke dismantled his tobacco company, he was

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<v Speaker 2>still enormously wealthy and was interested in leaving a family legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a little college down there in North Carolina

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<v Speaker 2>called Trinity College in Raleigh. According to Bill's book, in

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<v Speaker 2>December of nineteen twenty four, less than a year before

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<v Speaker 2>Duke's death, he paid Trinity College six million dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>change its name to Duke University. Yeah, that's Christian Latner's Duke.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll leave you with a nice big chunk of irony

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<v Speaker 2>about the man who was the first professor at the

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<v Speaker 2>Duke University School of Medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the first professor of medicine at Duke University

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<v Speaker 1>and his name was it was herold Amos and he

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<v Speaker 1>was Ja David Amos's son.

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