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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly, Skip Bronson and My Pal

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Speaker 1: Paul Anka is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hi folks, this is Paul Anka.

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Speaker 1: And my name is Skip Bronson. We've been friends for

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Speaker 1: decades and we've decided to let you in on our

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Speaker 1: late night phone calls by starting a new podcast.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet

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Speaker 2: some real good friends of us.

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Speaker 1: You're leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 2: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even as city

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Speaker 2: president or two.

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Speaker 1: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 1: asked before. Tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 1: a song or two.

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Speaker 2: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 3: Paul, Hey, Skip, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: What's going on? Hey?

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Speaker 2: That?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: I gotta talk to you about that that that tailor

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Speaker 3: and you told me that some woman in Burbank.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm ready to go there because all my

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Speaker 4: fear of Ante's remember the bulletproof jackets he used to

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Speaker 4: make the goats for the boys.

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Speaker 3: It's all wearing out?

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Speaker 5: Is she?

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Speaker 6: She?

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Speaker 7: Cool?

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Speaker 6: She is?

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Speaker 5: But by the way, it's not all wearing out because

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Speaker 5: I recognized that great coat you were wearing when you

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Speaker 5: performed in New Year's Eve on Times Square.

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Speaker 3: I hadn't moren in five years.

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Speaker 5: That was a fear of him, the special if I recall, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it was thank you.

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Speaker 6: It looked amazing. It looked amazing. Who knew that the

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Speaker 6: lapel's going all the way out to the shoulder. We're

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Speaker 6: going to come back in style?

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that you had to.

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Speaker 5: You had to keep that in your closet until it

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Speaker 5: came back into style.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's been there for fifteen years. That was the

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Speaker 3: one night I pulled it out. Are you kidding?

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Speaker 4: That's the first time I warned, you know, heavy as

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Speaker 4: coats were you know, they were so hoty, I know,

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Speaker 4: speaking of heavy, how'd you pull your heavy friend?

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow? I'm looking forward to Mark Burnett.

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Speaker 6: He's awesome. Can I tell you something. He's just the greatest.

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Speaker 6: He's the greatest guy.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I mean, the thing that keeps coming

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Speaker 5: back is his story is the American Dream.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the guy went from being a.

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Speaker 5: Paratrooper to being a nanny to being the you know,

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Speaker 5: probably the most if not the most important producer in television.

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Speaker 6: It's just amazing, guys.

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Speaker 3: I got to hit him up on that nanny that

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Speaker 3: that I haven't.

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Speaker 2: Figured out yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's I want some meat around that.

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Speaker 3: How do you hear? How do you become a nanny?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: And the chief Architect? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: And how about the shows, I mean, the Survivor of

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Speaker 6: the Voice, The Apprentice, Shark Tank.

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Speaker 4: You think his days in the military help him come

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Speaker 4: up with that idea he had for Survivor.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but that's a great question. You should

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Speaker 6: ask him that when he's on.

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Speaker 3: Definitely.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But you know, I think my goal would be

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Speaker 5: for this to be like a master class, you know,

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Speaker 5: to really talk about not just how you go from

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Speaker 5: being a nanny to being a producer, but how do

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Speaker 6: And hitting it out of the park the way he

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Speaker 6: by the way he really has balance in his life.

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Speaker 5: We should hit on that because this guy, he loves

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Speaker 5: to work, but he loves to play.

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Speaker 3: All right, So I'm gonna make a list. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: ask him about, you know, the hard time he had

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Speaker 3: selling that show. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, we'll stay we'll stay tuned, and I probably won't

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Speaker 5: talk to you again until tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, oh, no, usually me and tell me what

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Speaker 3: All right, you know what I think I will?

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Speaker 4: All right, well, alright, I love to take.

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Speaker 3: Care of men. Skip. There's a Mark.

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Speaker 7: I see him, Mark, I.

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Speaker 2: See him in every good way. Hey Mark, Hey, how'd

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Speaker 2: you guys do you to meet? I'm very curious.

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Speaker 1: It's funny, Jordan. I was gonna let Mark answer that

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Speaker 1: because Jordan, our producer who's on with us, asked me

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Speaker 1: that question. I've known you so long. I don't even

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Speaker 1: remember how we first met. Do you do you remember

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Speaker 1: how we first met? Uh?

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Speaker 7: Long loans I got on. I know how you rented

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Speaker 7: one of my beach houses.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's right, that's right, that's remember that.

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Speaker 1: That's right he had, that's right. Edie and I had

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Speaker 1: And then we walked into this house. There was absolutely

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Speaker 1: was just flawlessly perfect. And Edie said in front of

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Speaker 1: this is the one we wanted. What a great way

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Speaker 1: to negotiate, right, it was, but it was great. We

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Speaker 1: spent I don't know, you were three or four months

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Speaker 1: there and I remember the house is just fabulous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember you were raving about that house. Used

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Speaker 2: to call me like every day, you won't believe this house. Bliini.

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Speaker 2: I came out and saw you once, right, I said,

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Speaker 2: I'll split the rental with you. You didn't want you

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Speaker 2: didn't go for her. You know, Mark, I'm listening to

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Speaker 2: you and I'm reminiscent of a friend of mine. You know,

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Speaker 2: I kind of was raised in England because I was

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm from my and I was born in my Lend.

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Speaker 7: Certainly within the sound of bowbells.

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Speaker 2: One question I've got when I did the research was

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Speaker 7: Yes, I'm a veteran. I served in the third Battalion

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Speaker 7: Parachute Regiment, which is an elite unit in the British

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Speaker 7: Far so a big, big history Wow.

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Speaker 2: And then a nanny.

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Speaker 7: Well yeah, I had well except for the people who

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Speaker 7: well can you, but can you? It's not just taking

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Speaker 7: just left the British Army. They came around with a

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Speaker 7: can you do laundry and iron?

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Speaker 7: Of course I could iron, I'm British. I could put

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Speaker 7: I could put a crease in your shirt so sharp

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Speaker 2: so cool man to make that transition. It was. And

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Speaker 2: then you became an insurance salesman.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, one thing you should know about working as like

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Speaker 7: a a bit security, bit of a driver, bit of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very good cleaning.

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Speaker 7: Really, They end up hiring a cleaner to clean my

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Speaker 7: move two Beverly Hills from living in East London in

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Speaker 7: my parents weren't a Ford Motor company, so all the

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Speaker 7: my room, which is amazing because there's only ever one

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Speaker 7: ask me things like do you know the Queen? I'm like,

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Speaker 7: what did you go to Eton or Oxford? And I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 7: this is gonna be great. They have no idea. I'm

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Speaker 7: America thing could really work out.

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Speaker 1: Through them, mak The thing that threw them off about

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Speaker 1: thanks the British Army dentists exactly. Those of us really

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Speaker 1: you're the producer of The Survivor and you didn't just

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Speaker 1: us the genesis of that? How did that work that

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Speaker 7: Well, I left that job because I got I still

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Speaker 7: got too close to the kids, and the kids were

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Speaker 7: spending more time with me than they were with their dad.

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Speaker 7: It makes I was fine and make it fun for them.

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Speaker 7: I got another job in Malibu for a guy who

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Speaker 7: owned insurance company, and you know, he said to me, eventually,

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Speaker 7: you can't do this river, you know, do you want

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Speaker 7: to work at my insurance company? And so I went

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Speaker 7: and waked at the insurance company. And while I was

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Speaker 7: doing that, I started selling.

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Speaker 1: T shirts.

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Speaker 7: During the lunch breaks at the insurance company and started realizing, Wow,

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Speaker 7: I'm making more money selling Schmatzer than I was at

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Speaker 7: the insurance company.

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Speaker 1: Side.

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Speaker 7: Then I rented a piece of a fence on Venice Beach,

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Speaker 7: not even a store or a parking lot space, just

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Speaker 7: a fence. I hung the T shirts on the fence.

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Speaker 7: The fence was cost me like a thousand dollars a month,

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Speaker 7: but I made a fortune selling damaged T shirts. I'd

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Speaker 7: saying for forty five. And the damages, by the way,

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Speaker 7: or Macy's. And so I left the insurance business. I

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Speaker 7: said to go, I'm so sorry, thank you for the opportunity.

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Speaker 7: And I thought it was gonna be mad at me,

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Speaker 7: It's totally true. It's totally true. It's even it's even crazier.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable. So you've heard of that.

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Speaker 7: You've heard those guys, right, you've heard of those guys.

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Speaker 2: There are my buddies. We still we're in the same

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Speaker 7: twenty threes is twenty three years later. The forty fifth

439
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 7: season of the show, with two a year, just went

440
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Speaker 7: up in the ratings. Survivor during a season is unbeaten

441
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Speaker 7: in twenty three years Wednesday's eight o'clock, and it's evolved now.

442
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Speaker 7: You know, Jeff Probes is one of my best friends

443
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 7: in the world, is the host and producer of Survivor.

444
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 7: He's doing much more evolving than I've ever done. He's

445
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 7: you know, Jeff's been running the whole thing for the

446
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 7: last ten years and has evolved it to be much

447
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 7: more about the strategic game. So people now, Paul, sign up,

448
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 7: Yes for the adventure, Yes for the money, and of

449
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 7: course to be on television. Everyone wants that. But also

450
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 7: are they the greatest strategists can? Let me tell you

451
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Speaker 7: the underlying value proposition that is survival. Survivor is a

452
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Speaker 7: game where you are combining with others or alone to

453
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 7: eliminate your competitors. But the kicker is the very end,

454
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Speaker 7: when there's a couple left, all those people previously eliminated

455
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 7: by you, you're asking them to give you a million dollars.

456
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 7: It's the greatest management training thing in the world. Can

457
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 7: you fire someone who works for you and have them

458
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 7: shake your hand and say, Okay, I get it, I

459
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 7: was treated well thanks, versus be mad at you if

460
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 7: you've eliminated people in Survivor? Did you do it in

461
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Speaker 7: a way they respected?

462
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Speaker 1: Do they like you still?

463
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Speaker 7: And are they willing to shake you around and say,

464
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Speaker 7: you know what, you beat me, you got rid of me,

465
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 7: but you deserve a million dollars. That's the real underlying

466
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 7: value proposition of.

467
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Speaker 1: Survivor, So that partly hasn't changed. Zerra. What is the

468
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: biggest change from day one until now? How is this show?

469
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Speaker 1: You said it evolved? Yeah, I think.

470
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Speaker 7: I think Jeff Probes and the team many of the team,

471
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Speaker 7: by the way, are the same team that I hired

472
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Speaker 7: on day one. Well, I have a philosophy, by the way,

473
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 7: running my companies. CEO to many people means chief executive officer.

474
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Speaker 7: It doesn't to me, it means chief encouragement officer. How

475
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 7: do you hire people better than yourself, you know, are

476
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Speaker 7: smarter than yourself and encourage them. Well, Jeff Probes is

477
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Speaker 7: the leader, not me now, and Jeff is the one

478
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 7: who's involved it. And it's become a very very slight

479
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 7: playing multi level chess. Right from the first minute, they're

480
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 7: figuring out how to eliminate their opposition and win, but

481
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Speaker 7: have the opposition still give them the money. It's become

482
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Speaker 7: even deeper in the game, and the audience have evolved

483
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Speaker 7: with it. You know what's very interesting. Netflix made a

484
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Speaker 7: big difference because saviv you can watch the old seasons

485
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Speaker 7: on Netflix. We have a massive new audience that weren't

486
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Speaker 7: even born when Survivor came on, but they discovered the

487
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Speaker 7: old seasons on Netflix. So Netflix's streaming service has really

488
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Speaker 7: benefited us by the old seasons being watched and now

489
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Speaker 7: they're tuning in for the new seasons. We have a

490
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Speaker 7: really young audience.

491
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Speaker 1: And how involved are you at this point? We keep

492
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Speaker 1: talking about Jeff, but what is your involvement?

493
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Speaker 7: I'm the executive producer. I'm there for guidance and advice

494
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Speaker 7: when asked. But the key thing, you know, when you

495
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Speaker 7: remember I've gone from that Eco Challenge and Survivor It's

496
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Speaker 7: first two shows. By the time I left MGM as

497
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Speaker 7: its chairman eleven months ago, I had fifty shows.

498
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Speaker 1: So how do you do that?

499
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Speaker 7: You need to hire people better than you and be

500
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Speaker 7: a great delegator. And if you hire people who are

501
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 7: better than you, like Jeff Probes on Survivor, Clay Knuble

502
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 7: on Shark Tank, Audrey Morrissey who runs the Voice, these

503
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 7: are all handpicked by me, people I love and care about,

504
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 7: and they wouldn't really appreciate me showing up every five seconds. Oh,

505
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Speaker 7: move the camera slightly left, or do this?

506
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Speaker 3: Do that?

507
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Speaker 7: They're like, what are you crazy? They know what they're doing,

508
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 7: they know more than me. They mentioned this Skip, you

509
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 7: and me. Skip owned a store. It was a great store,

510
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Speaker 7: convenience store, making lots of money. We decided to open

511
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Speaker 7: the second one. Then you go to one, I go

512
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Speaker 7: to the other. Now it's not doing it as well

513
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Speaker 7: as we were both there, but it's still making great money.

514
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Speaker 7: Then we decide to open twenty stores. Neither of us

515
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Speaker 7: can be any of those stores in person. The key

516
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Speaker 7: is who are we hiring to replace ourselves and how

517
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Speaker 7: do we encourage them? We do know nothing can be

518
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Speaker 7: the same as if you were there yourself. But you

519
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 7: won't be able to expand and scale a business if

520
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Speaker 7: you can't hire people better than yourself and encourage them

521
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Speaker 7: and leave them alone once they know what they're doing.

522
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Speaker 7: There's nothing more annoying than some entrepreneur bugging the shit

523
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Speaker 7: out of their employees.

524
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Speaker 2: Good management style. All the good guys have great management

525
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: style like that, you just let your people go do

526
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Speaker 2: the buffets very much like that Warren lets his people go.

527
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Speaker 2: Is that kind of your management style?

528
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Speaker 7: In fact, what I hire new people, I always would

529
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 7: say to them, for the next three months, I'm not

530
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Speaker 7: expecting anything. You may do some good things, but not

531
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Speaker 7: really expecting it. Whatever you do is a bonus. Just

532
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 7: learn and don't feel the pressure. And they once to

533
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 7: do craziest things because you don't really know yet how

534
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 7: it works. And then after that if they're not really

535
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Speaker 7: if everything's going too well, after that, something's wrong because

536
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Speaker 7: if you're not failing a bit, you're not really trying.

537
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Speaker 7: It's like if you learn to ski or snowboard. If

538
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Speaker 7: you're not falling over, clearly you're not trying. You're too cautious,

539
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 7: and so people will make mistakes. It's okay.

540
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Speaker 1: I'd rather they make mistakes than do nothing. Absolutely the

541
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Speaker 1: irony of your management style. Just give you a parable.

542
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Speaker 1: When I was a developer of office buildings in Connecticut,

543
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Speaker 1: one of my tenants was McDonald's and the regional vice

544
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Speaker 1: president of McDonald's name was Frank Bhin. He was showing

545
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Speaker 1: me the guidebook if you're a franchisee, and it said

546
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Speaker 1: six am put key indoors six ' oh one, switch

547
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: on Frio later six h two. You followed exactly the

548
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Speaker 1: way they laid it out. And of course one of

549
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Speaker 1: the things that McDonald's prides itself on is if you're

550
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Speaker 1: in a McDonald's in Minnesota when you were there to

551
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Speaker 1: see Target, or when you're in a McDonald's in Detroit

552
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: when you're visiting Ford, you're going to get the same meal,

553
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Speaker 1: and there's no creativity to it. So there's such a

554
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Speaker 1: creative aspect to what you've done and what you delegate

555
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: to your people like Jeff and others. It's just the opposite.

556
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: There's no real specific formula, right, it's just a lot

557
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: of it's making it up as you go along, but

558
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Speaker 1: knowing what to make up.

559
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I am with Survivor. I was heavily involved probably

560
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 7: four ten years as well, and you know, the Voice

561
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Speaker 7: Less time, probably heavily involved for maybe yeah, the first

562
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Speaker 7: five years, maybe same as Shark Tank. Because as you

563
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 7: get more experienced than you people also people knew knew

564
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Speaker 7: and know my way of running things and the sort

565
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Speaker 7: of style of the shows and had seen the shows.

566
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Speaker 7: And if as you're hiring smart people who are respected,

567
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Speaker 7: who are well paid and encouraged. Yeah, and then look

568
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Speaker 7: now The Voice, Shark Tank Survivor. These shows have evolved

569
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Speaker 7: way beyond what I thought they would, and they're better

570
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Speaker 7: than what I could have done. I still was the

571
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Speaker 7: person to put them on the air, still an executive producer.

572
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 7: Get a lot of pats on the back, but I'm

573
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Speaker 7: not a person who likes when credit is stolen from

574
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Speaker 7: the people doing the actual work. Hollywood is full of

575
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 7: assholes who do very little and take all the credit,

576
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Speaker 7: and I will never do that. You know, for example,

577
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 7: I realized after quite a few years ago that it

578
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 7: was it was silly for me to get up on

579
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Speaker 7: the stage and accept the Emmys because I wasn't doing

580
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 7: the work anymore. I mean, not doing every the people

581
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 7: doing the day that people. I became like a general.

582
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 7: You know, the general in the army is not out

583
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 7: there in the trenches, are they that They're directing things

584
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Speaker 7: from behind the scenes, and that's how you scale. And

585
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 7: nothing can be worse than the person. Imagine the general

586
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 7: was taking credit as if as if it was really

587
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Speaker 7: out there firing on the front line.

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Speaker 1: That's bullshit. Paul and I were talking about, you know,

589
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: the way you created all these shows, and Paul's a

590
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: creator also obviously in his career. But the common thread

591
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: with everything that you do, at least the way Paul

592
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: and I saw it, is the American dream, the Voice,

593
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: the American Dream, the Shark Tank. You know, someone has

594
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: a dream of a product that they can Is that

595
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: fair to say that, that's sort of the comment. If

596
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: there's a thread that runs through all these shows that

597
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: you've created.

598
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 7: Absolutely, it's the American Dream. It's also you know what

599
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 7: I did the Voice. You remember, American Idol was pretty huge.

600
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 7: But American Idol its success was based upon humiliation, you know,

601
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 7: which was that the things they found try and find

602
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 7: deliberately bad singers, which was made they common up the

603
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 7: Gung Show sort of thing, but an updated version. You know,

604
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 7: when John Demore, there was a Dutch guy who came

605
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 7: up with the original idea for the Voice, and you know,

606
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 7: I've known him for a long time. I said, I'll

607
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 7: do this show with you. And what I liked was

608
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 7: that there was no humiliation. Every person on the Voice,

609
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 7: every person is good enough to win. They all can

610
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Speaker 7: actually sing in pitch. They're not sharp, they're not flat,

611
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 7: they're really good. And so where was the drama. That

612
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 7: the drama was in the coaches, the four famous singers

613
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 7: argue amongst themselves how to get that person on their team,

614
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 7: so completely flipped it. There was never any humiliation ever

615
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 7: of the contestants. Who's singing ever? And it was the banter,

616
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 7: the sitcom between the four coaches, and it flipped on

617
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 7: its head. And I think that it came at the

618
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 7: right time, because I think there came a point where

619
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Speaker 7: humiliation became come on, it's enough of this, Let's not

620
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 7: do this, and so survivor does humiliate the voice. My

621
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Speaker 7: other show, my dear show for the six hundred episodes

622
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Speaker 7: of Are You Smarter Than the Fifth Grader, which was

623
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Speaker 7: a show where ten year old cineclass and there were

624
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 7: people went to master's degree from UCLA, lawyers or doctors

625
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 7: or you know, professors were asked fifth greater questions. And

626
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Speaker 7: why that show was successible because the kids were never humiliated,

627
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 7: the kids knew the answers, and the kids were laughing

628
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 7: at the adults in a in a fun way, and

629
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Speaker 7: Jeff Foxworthy hosted it and never ever made anyone feel awful.

630
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 7: It was good fun laughter, but in a kind way.

631
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Speaker 7: And it's a show that made kids feel smart, because

632
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 7: clearly any of us, we're all smart, but try to

633
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 7: remember what things like questions like, for example, how do

634
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 7: you figure out the area of a triangle? You know,

635
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 7: like when's the last time we thought about things like that.

636
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 7: We haven't thought about those fifth grader questions in a lifetime.

637
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 7: But the kids are doing it right now, and so

638
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 7: the kids I was going to beat the adults of

639
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 7: another show right now on ABC called Generation Gap, which

640
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 7: has young kids with their grandparents. So for example, you

641
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 7: could ask a young kid, you give it a young

642
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 7: kid a rotary phone and ask them to make a

643
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 7: phone call. They have no cally they're pressing the buttons,

644
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 7: understand it turns or you could be asking the grandma,

645
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 7: who's Miley Cyrus? There's no clue, right, And so it's

646
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 7: a generation gap. Another thing, and yet again I do

647
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 7: that show with Jimmy Kimmel, a good fun entertainment. Why

648
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 7: I think that's Shark Tank. By the way, here's the

649
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 7: thing which you guys know, and Paul, you've been in

650
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 7: the public eye for your whole life, and you know

651
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 7: that the press can always try and rip us down, right,

652
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 7: So where a shark Tank came out. I did an

653
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Speaker 7: interview with the La Times, and I was trying to explain,

654
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Speaker 7: you know, here's how I look at it. Getting a

655
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 7: mortgage for a house is really hard, right, Imagine trying

656
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Speaker 7: to get a loan from a bank to start a business.

657
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Speaker 7: But at least the houses of Brooks and Mortar isn't

658
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Speaker 7: going in there. Oh, I want to take a loan

659
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Speaker 7: for this business. And so I thought that was a

660
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Speaker 7: good LA Times wrote a story and said, what a joke,

661
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 7: as if Mark Burnett knows what it's like to have

662
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Speaker 7: to apply for a mortgage. They turned it upside down

663
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Speaker 7: on me. But the headline that was in the story,

664
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Speaker 7: the headline was just a great new show, Shark Tank.

665
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Speaker 7: I had like five hundred friends say, oh man, great

666
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Speaker 7: story in the La Times. They never read the story, clearly,

667
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 7: they just read the headline. Had they read the story,

668
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Speaker 7: it was ripping me a new one.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, a great show. By the way, we're losing Cuban, right.

670
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Speaker 7: Who knows? Who knows?

671
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Speaker 6: You know what.

672
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Speaker 7: It's happen what fifteen years? Who knows? I haven't spoke

673
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Speaker 7: to Mark about it, but a well, great guy, good friend,

674
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Speaker 7: and if so, you know it's the show's not about

675
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Speaker 7: any one person. You know, the show is which is

676
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Speaker 7: a show, you know. And if you look at the Voice,

677
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 7: look at many different coaches that has been on the Voice,

678
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 7: and right now with Shark ten, there's many many guest

679
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Speaker 7: sharks that come on and do about Shart Tank. Shark

680
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Speaker 7: Tank is my biggest co viewing show. It wouldn't think

681
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Speaker 7: because it's about selling businesses right or getting investment in businesses,

682
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Speaker 7: so you're doing maths of what percentage for what money.

683
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Speaker 7: The biggest audience that has is kids, kids watching with

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Speaker 7: their parents. The kids like it and the parents are

685
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Speaker 7: discussing business. I really think American education should change. I

686
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 7: think business and tax and stuff should be part of

687
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Speaker 7: the normal high school education. I mean it's like how

688
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 7: kids love Shark Tank and dealing with how companies are

689
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 7: bought and sold, how money's made in the end for

690
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Speaker 7: a capitalist economy could be a lot smarter for kids

691
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Speaker 7: to be taught in high school. These sort of underlying principles.

692
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Speaker 7: How does the government work, why are we paying taxes

693
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Speaker 7: when they do with the taxes? How does business work?

694
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Speaker 7: And how do you value a company? What kind of

695
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 7: companies would would be useful. Why would someone want to

696
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Speaker 7: buy our products? These are really valuable every things could

697
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Speaker 7: help people grow in their lives.

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Speaker 2: What's next for you? Is there something on your bucket

699
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Speaker 2: list that you've yet to do that's exciting for you.

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Speaker 7: You've got a few things come my way that Yeah,

701
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Speaker 7: I think I'm interesting in the travel business.

702
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Speaker 2: Travel.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I remember my shows have been all over

704
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Speaker 7: the world, right, I've probably as a producer. I don't

705
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Speaker 7: think there's probably any producer in the world who's made

706
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Speaker 7: more forum based shows than me. I mean, so, yeah,

707
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Speaker 7: So I'm interested in them. I think travel is a

708
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Speaker 7: very clean business, right, and I think Americans, by the way,

709
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Speaker 7: some of the best tourists. Americans are very clean. Americans

710
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Speaker 7: put their trash in the trash can Americans tip Well,

711
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 7: it's a great country, you know. And so I like

712
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Speaker 7: the idea that sustainable travel. I like the idea that

713
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Speaker 7: where some economies in the developing world might do a

714
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Speaker 7: less clean kind of business if they can have tourism.

715
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Speaker 7: Tours are very clean, sustainable business, and it encourages people

716
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Speaker 7: to protect certain places because if places are made to

717
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Speaker 7: be ugly with architecture or too many neon lights, unless

718
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 7: it's obviously in Vegas, but people don't want to go there.

719
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Speaker 7: Places that are remained cute and pretty and charming are

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Speaker 7: attractive to tourists, So I'm interested in that.

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Speaker 1: So, Paul, speaking of travel, Mark and I were on

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Speaker 1: a flight from Los Angeles to New York and we

723
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Speaker 1: were at forty one thousand feet and suddenly the plane

724
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Speaker 1: was a lot quieter, and the pilot came on and

725
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Speaker 1: told us that we had just lost the starboard engine

726
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Speaker 1: at forty one thousand feet and they were going to

727
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Speaker 1: look for an airport put the plane down. So I

728
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Speaker 1: know Mark so well, and I know how spiritual he

729
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Speaker 1: is in his life, and I looked over at him

730
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Speaker 1: just to try to get some spirit. We flew that

731
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Speaker 1: about a half an hour on one engine until we

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Speaker 1: landed at an airport in Colorado. And I remember, Mark,

733
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Speaker 1: if you do that. When the pilot came out of

734
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Speaker 1: out of the cockpit and he came back to us

735
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Speaker 1: and he said, wow, that was exactly like the simulator.

736
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Speaker 1: Mark looked at him and said, I'm glad you were

737
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Speaker 1: trained in that simulator.

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Speaker 7: That was quite an experience to encourage your listeners to

739
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Speaker 7: you know, is interestingly, had you not told a skip

740
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Speaker 7: we wouldn't have known, right, So basically he landed it

741
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Speaker 7: as good as one engine as too. So it's very

742
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Speaker 7: encouraging for people to hear that because you think, oh,

743
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Speaker 7: I mean obviously telling us that was like what you know?

744
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Speaker 7: We looked at each other, Oh shit, right, So you

745
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Speaker 7: don't know, I've never had that before. You know, I've

746
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Speaker 7: been a parachute ber. I didn't need a parachute with

747
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Speaker 7: me what it jumped out, but it landed.

748
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Speaker 2: They know what they're doing. They can fly those places

749
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Speaker 2: unless you unless you're over the Pacific, that's the biggest

750
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Speaker 2: body of water. You don't want to lose an engine.

751
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Speaker 2: But with one engine, you're you're gonna do fine as

752
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: well as you can land somewhere. You know, people are

753
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Speaker 2: spooked out about aircrafts and flying. They've got it down today.

754
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Speaker 2: When you look at the reports of the crashes, it's

755
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Speaker 2: always man made seventy two deficiency in pilots.

756
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Speaker 7: Well, who knew the poor anchor work for the FAI.

757
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Speaker 2: I read enough about it, FAA fun anchor. I don't

758
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Speaker 2: mind flying. I've been flying since I was a kid.

759
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Speaker 2: You know, there were prop planes and I'm what fifteen

760
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Speaker 2: years old. I'm on with Jerry Lee Lewis and Fats

761
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: Domino and Buddy Hawley and we're doing rock and roll shows.

762
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Speaker 2: We're only five hundred bucks a week and loving it.

763
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Speaker 2: And we're on the rinky dink planes. We're going to Australia. Okay,

764
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Speaker 2: so that's La Hawaii, stop in Hawaii, stop somewhere else

765
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Speaker 2: land in Australia, like what light years ahead? We didn't care.

766
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Speaker 2: We didn't care until it started kicking in. But those

767
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Speaker 2: were tough flights. You know, today's travel is just it's

768
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Speaker 2: like being in your own bedroom, so easy. Didn't like

769
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Speaker 2: it then though.

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Speaker 1: So Mark, because you know, because this is a new

771
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Speaker 1: thing for the two of us and we're just getting started,

772
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Speaker 1: we're looking at different little ideas and one was that

773
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Speaker 1: our producer Jordan came up with where with sort of

774
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Speaker 1: a lightning round of questions and just wanted to get

775
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Speaker 1: your take on these. When is how many hours of

776
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Speaker 1: nay to sleep do you get?

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Speaker 7: I aim aim for eight and don't always get eight,

778
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 7: but I aim for eight. I got to bed early.

779
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Speaker 3: What time you go to bed?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What time do you go to bed? Good question?

781
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Speaker 2: So you're you're religiously in bed by nine nineteen thirty

782
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Speaker 2: every night, not every single but.

783
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I pretty much try and do that. Especially I

784
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 7: live in Park City up here, so my goal is

785
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Speaker 7: to be on my snowboard by nine am, so I

786
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 7: would get up early. I do my I have a

787
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 7: book called Jesus Calling that I read every day and

788
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 7: I pray. I pray that a huge priority to me

789
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 7: and the Holy Spirit and a snowboard. So I'm in

790
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Speaker 7: a place that I remember. I've been forty years of America,

791
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Speaker 7: thirty years of my TV companies, sold my company three times,

792
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Speaker 7: first to Hurst, then to MGM, then I owned three

793
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Speaker 7: percent of all of MGM, sold that to Amazon. So

794
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 7: I'm ready for a break. You know, in the old days,

795
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 7: the word sabbatical is around Sabbath, right once a week.

796
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 7: So in the Bible, God rested on the seventh day.

797
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 7: In the old days, people who had some sort of

798
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 7: means would take a year off in every seven years,

799
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Speaker 7: which we don't have that are doing. And so you know,

800
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Speaker 7: i still have to have some responsibility on my shows,

801
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 7: but I'm definitely not overscheduling myself and I'm actually living

802
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 7: the dream and getting a good sleep is part of it.

803
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: Oh, it's very important, especially in our age. But those balls,

804
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: those back balls are wide and beautifully groomed. Last time

805
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: I skied up there, you're still enjoying all that.

806
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: I love it every day.

807
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 7: I mean I'm going to every day.

808
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: Then.

809
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Speaker 2: Yeah, great balls, white and smooth. It's some of the

810
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: best grooming I think there.

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Speaker 7: But they say you saw best snow on earth because

812
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 7: it's like Champagne's pot.

813
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: It's so light.

814
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 7: You can as you pick the snaup and blow it

815
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 7: with your blow air out and it goes in the sky.

816
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 7: It's okay, Skip, what's next? Next question?

817
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: You know earlier you're talking about these shows and how

818
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: you've delegated. That's been important thing. But what's one thing

819
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: that you have to do yourself that you would never delegate? Pray? Yeah,

820
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: you can't delegate that, but you can teach it to people.

821
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Speaker 1: What would you say is your standard lunch? Just typically

822
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Speaker 1: on an average day, you're so fit, but what do

823
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: you what do you do for a line coach? Salmon

824
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: and vegetables? There you go, skip.

825
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 7: You know me, I'm very regimented a military guy, being

826
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 7: a really top military unit and therefore, but if I

827
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 7: have a fault, it's I had the same lunch every day,

828
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 7: three to sixty five days a year. I learned recently

829
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 7: from a doctor it's not wise. Your body doesn't do well.

830
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 7: It needs a variance of food, So I'm trying to

831
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Speaker 7: add new things in.

832
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 4: But I.

833
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 7: View food as fuel. So I literally have oatmeal for breakfast, coach, salmon,

834
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Speaker 7: and vegetables for lunch, sometimes also a dinner, or maybe

835
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 7: I've started eating some elk and venison there. So meat

836
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 7: do's not got any antibiotics or any crap in it.

837
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Speaker 7: I'm very regimented, regimented, and disciplined. You're very disciplined completely,

838
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 7: I have to and sometimes you've said to me, what

839
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 7: sort of things I hate in life? I dislike people

840
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 7: who don't take responsibility for failure. There's always someone else's fault.

841
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 7: I in a military unit like I was in, things

842
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 7: go wrong. First of all, when you're in the middle

843
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 7: of a mission, or even when I was doing these

844
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 7: races in the mountains, no point arguing about a mistake

845
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 7: was made in the middle of it. But afterwards, ever debrief,

846
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 7: take response. If you made a mistake, take responsibility and

847
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 7: move on. Everyone's going to give you a break, especially

848
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 7: American don't mind you making mistakes and failing, long as

849
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 7: you take responsibility.

850
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: And try it and don't do it again.

851
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 7: If you're a person carrying a pot of paint and

852
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 7: you drop it and splashes, people say, oh, right, but

853
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 7: you guess I'm Sorry's mistake you that again? The same

854
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 7: But what don't come near me. You're you're the idiot

855
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 7: that dropped the pot of paint twice. Take responsibility and

856
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 7: don't make the same mistakes. Man, learn from it with

857
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 7: all your strength and all your discipline. What would you

858
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 7: say is your greatest weakness that I need to take

859
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 7: more time to slow it down and be a bit

860
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 7: still because running all those shows. I remember, remember we

861
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 7: started this discussion, went over and became a servant in

862
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 7: Beverly Hills, and on the same street became the present

863
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 7: of MGM. Right, that's like, it's so much busyness and

864
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 7: stuff going on, and it's like it's like an engine

865
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 7: that you wind up, you know, and it's and then

866
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 7: now I'm taking it's slower. It's hard to slow down

867
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 7: the engine. And if you can't slow the engine down,

868
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 7: you're not really in touch with the spirit. And so

869
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 7: that's what I've got to work on. Being a bit more.

870
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Still, so in terms of things that might annoy you,

871
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: what would be like the biggest pet peeve? People who

872
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: don't tell, responsibility bothers, a consistency.

873
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: There right for sure, you have a military man there.

874
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: So other than one of Paul's songs, what would you

875
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: say is your favorite song?

876
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 7: Probably Van Morrison astral Weeks.

877
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: I love Van Morrison.

878
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is one of my wife, Roman Downey, who

879
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 7: played the angel on Touch My Angel.

880
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: She's Irish.

881
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 7: One of her best friends is Van and Van's been

882
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 7: at our home fifty times. He's a genius. I know

883
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 7: you know him, Paul the Genius and astral Weeks is

884
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 7: played one of my favorite songs of all time.

885
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: If you have your eyes of producing the Oscars, No, no,

886
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 2: because never never, never interested.

887
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 7: No because I don't believe they would listen to me.

888
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 7: I mean, clearly, it's improving to think about the Oscars.

889
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 7: A network TV show, which means it's a broad audience.

890
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 7: Broadcasting is not narrowcasting. It's broadcasting, and therefore, would it

891
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 7: be wiser for a show on broadcast TV to be

892
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 7: celebrating what many many people enjoy it, not just what

893
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 7: a few voters in the Academy were liked. Therefore, many

894
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 7: many times you just to come on, it's won by

895
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 7: a movie that no one's seen or even heard of.

896
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 7: And so now that's the privilege of the Academy, and

897
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 7: I respect that, but maybe it should be on a

898
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 7: narrow a narrow cast like a cable or or something

899
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 7: where it's a narrow cast broadcast. TV is for a

900
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 7: wide audience, and so I'd be suggesting different categories and

901
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 7: also would be suggesting there should be a fan voted category.

902
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 7: I mean, I've produced the MTV Movie Awards for seven

903
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 7: years and I think so six or seven years, and

904
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 7: the People's Choice Awards for the same time. Those two shows,

905
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 7: the awards are given by the fans who vote for them.

906
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 7: But for example, the Grammys, the Grammys also could do

907
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 7: with some fan voted categories, you know, just to engage people,

908
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 7: to make them care about did their vote count?

909
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: You know, what do you feel un artificial intelligence sounds

910
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: is going to change your world?

911
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 7: I think it's great. I think it's a great thing.

912
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 7: I think it's going to be medical advances, science advances. Yeah,

913
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 7: and obviously a lot of people are scared of it

914
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 7: because they think it might hurt their job. But listen, Paul,

915
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 7: You've been around long enough to know that if one said, oh,

916
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 7: television is going to kill radio, before that, oh radio

917
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 7: is going to kill live theater, and then oh, cable

918
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 7: TV is going to kill network TV, and streaming is

919
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 7: no good, and then oh, their stream is going to

920
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 7: kill movies. It's all going to exist. It's just adapts.

921
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 7: You can't be scared of new technology. And in the end,

922
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 7: what is AI doing is it's computers are reading everything

923
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 7: ever written and analyzing what it means. Right, And so yeah, well,

924
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 7: there'll be songs written by AI, there'll be movies written

925
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 7: by AI. Of course they will be. On the other hand,

926
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 7: think of this when someone has said they're creating a

927
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 7: script for a movie. Their whole life, they've grown up

928
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 7: as a child in a house the first few years

929
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 7: with their siblings and their parents have learned things. Then

930
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 7: have seen TV and learned things. They've learned to read

931
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 7: book and they've learned things when to school and learning.

932
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 7: The whole brain is that their computer, it's got knowledge

933
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 7: has been dumped into it. So AI is just doing

934
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 7: a super duper version of that. So let's say someone

935
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 7: like unk knowing but that Taylor Sheridan who wrote brilliantly Yellowstone.

936
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 7: Of course Taylor Sheridan was affected in his art by

937
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 7: all the Westerns he's ever seen. But you can't say

938
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 7: you should only be able to create something if you've

939
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 7: never seen something similar. I mean, it's ridiculous. AI is

940
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 7: a supervisioner. There will be problems, there's always problems stuff,

941
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 7: But I do think it's going to be a benefit

942
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 7: for humanity and clear the other thing you've seen recently

943
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 7: in congressional testimony and stuff, the US government is omitting

944
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 7: that we do have aircraft from outside of humanity, from

945
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 7: other planets, and actually even mentions biologics, which means that

946
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 7: non human intelligence has been recovered by the US government,

947
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 7: and some reason that they have been a hard time

948
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 7: telling us the taxpayers, who are their bosses, right, we're

949
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 7: the bosses of government and AI clearly in analyzing where

950
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 7: did these space draft come from? What is it we

951
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 7: could learn this speed of which learning and hopefully for

952
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 7: humanity and peace could grow faster by AI, we're much

953
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 7: quicker than humans trying to do it.

954
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a coming force, for sure, it's happening.

955
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: If I could just pivot back. It was just thinking

956
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: for a second when you're talking about, you know, your

957
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: spirituality and your wife. Roma. She's a ten in every way,

958
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: drop dead, gorgeous, wonderful person, incredibly spiritual. Sends me messages

959
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: all the time. I think I've told you I get

960
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: a kick out of these. You know, it slows me down,

961
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: to be honestly, I suffer from the same disease Paul

962
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: does too, just trying to do too much, going so fast.

963
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: And when I read one of those notes from Roma

964
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: that she sends out to her friends, it makes me

965
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: really take pause and think about it. But was she

966
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: the one that made you a spiritual person? Or are

967
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: you the one that made her a spiritual person? Or

968
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: did you just happened to both be spiritual people that

969
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: came together.

970
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 7: She grew up Catholic in Ireland in the Troubles, which

971
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 7: is the name for the war in Ireland between the

972
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 7: Catholics and Protestants and Britain, and her brother as a priest,

973
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 7: Roma's been guiding to church her entire life, the Church

974
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 7: ofr entire life. Interestingly, Roman never tried to make me anything.

975
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 7: This was really cool about Roma. She just her way

976
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 7: of getting someone to do something is lead by example.

977
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 7: Just she just does it. If you think it's cool,

978
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 7: you might do it too.

979
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't tell you it.

980
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 7: One of my faults is I would try I want

981
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 7: a quick result. I'd run tell someone to do something,

982
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 7: explain why they should do it and why they're wrong

983
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 7: to not do it. She would never do that. But

984
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 7: what really made men? I mean, I grew up Christian?

985
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 7: I mean, but what does that mean? That means it's

986
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 7: Christmas and Easter. It doesn't mean the certain Jews that

987
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 7: don't go to synagogue every every week, they go to

988
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 7: high Holy Days and stuff. So just because you're a

989
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 7: dura Christian or it doesn't mean that you are spiritually

990
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 7: involved with it. But when I decided, along with my

991
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 7: wife in twenty eleven, to start making the Bible series,

992
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 7: I originally wanted to do it because I thought there

993
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 7: was a vacuum in the marketplace. One hundred and fifty

994
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 7: million Christians. You know, obviously many many less Jews in

995
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 7: the world, but the Judeo Christian faith would enjoy seeing

996
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 7: a show about the Bible, the most read book on Earth. Well,

997
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 7: I got ripped a new one in the press, right,

998
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 7: how ridiculous an executive Hollywood who didn't like my success said,

999
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 7: oh great, he's going to fail. He's got all these

1000
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 7: big shows. No one is going to watch the Bible

1001
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 7: on prime time TV. Well they were wrong, and I

1002
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 7: was right because the Bible on a Sunday night was

1003
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 7: up against Walking Dead and Game of Thrones, and the

1004
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 7: Bible had more viewers than Walking Dead and Gamer Thrones combined,

1005
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 7: and the CNN headline said God beats zombies. Now, my

1006
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 7: spirituality came as a result. So I'm smarter to know.

1007
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 7: You don't get to make the Bible series international series

1008
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 7: and get it wrong. If you get the Bible wrong,

1009
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 7: it's game over. So I made I made my mission

1010
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 7: to really study. Hired forty experts to teach me and

1011
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 7: to read every script and give notes forty forty different

1012
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 7: disagreeing people, because Cadies and Protestants are not the same

1013
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 7: and Jews are not the same. I even had Muslim advisors,

1014
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 7: because you know, there's parts of as parts of the

1015
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 7: Abrahamic Covenant. That's where that came from. And partially through

1016
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 7: studying it and partially just through the Holy Spirit, that

1017
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 7: the supernatural part of faith. It just came to me

1018
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 7: and certain things skip and I've told you this, but

1019
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 7: I'd say that publicly certain things. I don't know how

1020
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 7: I knew. I just knew it was right and put

1021
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 7: it in the series. It turned out to be correct,

1022
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 7: you know. And that serious huge. I mean, do you

1023
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 7: know that's that series? It was Pirate in China. Four

1024
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 7: hundred million Chinese people watched it. I gave it away

1025
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 7: to Russia. I gave the series to Russia for free

1026
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 7: Russian TV. In Russian one hundred and fifty million Russians

1027
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 7: watched it. It was a number one series in Spain,

1028
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 7: in Portugal, in Canada, the first night it went on,

1029
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 7: it was up against the first NHL hockey game and

1030
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 7: the Bible beat hockey in Canada.

1031
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: That's true. That's a headline, the Bible beat hockey.

1032
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 7: I remember that Oprah, who we've known for years, called

1033
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 7: as I said, guys, I'm on week four in the Bible.

1034
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 7: It's amazing, this is crazy. It's the water cooler talk

1035
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 7: of America. Can I come and do a two hour

1036
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 7: special from your house? So Oprah came. Remember the Opien

1037
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 7: line was to the American public, the Bible is the

1038
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 7: water cooler talk of America. What is going on We're

1039
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 7: going to find out the next two hours with Mark

1040
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 7: and Roma. Because Oprah is a person, a believer of

1041
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 7: faith and got to know a lot of people through

1042
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 7: that tier perry of various people who encouraged us. I

1043
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 7: would say, if I look back at my career, the

1044
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 7: biggest highlights of my career, Survivor and the Bible.

1045
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: Was the most useful failure you've ever had, Mark, most.

1046
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 7: Failure, Well, every failure actually is useful. I take responsibility

1047
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 7: and learn from it.

1048
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: First off.

1049
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 7: But some shows that I wish did better. Two shows.

1050
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 7: One was rock Star in Excess where Michael Hutchins unfortunately,

1051
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 7: as you know, died, It left in Excess without a

1052
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 7: lead singer. And I did a show on CBS good

1053
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 7: rock Star in Excess where we found the new lead

1054
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 7: singer called JD. Fortune became the new lead singer of

1055
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 7: Inexcess and two world tours with it. But the show

1056
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 7: didn't go more than two seasons. It was hard to Yeah,

1057
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 7: I wished by what I should have done season two.

1058
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 7: I should have went to Queen and asked, you know,

1059
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 7: obviously they have a new singer there. It's it's hard

1060
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 7: to find a band that needs a new lead singer.

1061
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 7: It wasn't a sustainable idea, so that was kind of

1062
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 7: a failure in that Look at my shows go decades.

1063
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 7: That show went only two years.

1064
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: Right.

1065
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 7: Another show that I loved I did a show called Contender,

1066
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 7: a boxing show with Sebesto Stallone and Shurenn Leonard that

1067
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 7: went four seasons. I wish that was still That was

1068
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 7: such a brilliant thing because if you think of the

1069
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 7: value proposition for Contender, no rich person who's advantage is

1070
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 7: getting the ring to become a boxer professionally. These are

1071
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 7: guys who are on the wrong side of the tracks,

1072
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 7: and literally no one wants to get posting the face

1073
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 7: to make their living unless you have to and feature family.

1074
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 7: Working with Stillane, who was a friend of mine, was amazing.

1075
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 7: I learned so much from Sly. Sly said to me, Mark,

1076
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 7: let me explain how to make Contender better. He said,

1077
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 7: look at Rocky. What do you think Rocky is about?

1078
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Speaker 7: I said, it's about Rocky. He said, in a way.

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Speaker 7: Watch Rocky again, but watch it through Adrian's eyes. I'm like,

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00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 7: oh wow, he said, Look how many times the camera

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00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 7: cuts to Adrian's face in Rockies boxing. Yet more knowledge

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00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 7: and understand an emotion from that than watching Rocky get

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 7: punish on it. But so I then on Contender made

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 7: a big thing about the families and the loved ones

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00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 7: and cameras on them when their loved one was fighting.

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00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 7: The loved ones fighting to feed the family because they're

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00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 7: from poor families, and while their parents and wives and

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00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 7: kids want to encourage them, they're not hiding when they're

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00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 7: getting hit, and the great way of letting people understand

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00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 7: the value of this drama. So that was another show.

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00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 7: It went four seasons. So I consider that a failure

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00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 7: because I you know why, it's your ten years, twenty years.

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Speaker 1: This is such great for me because I'm with two

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00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: of my closest friends together in a conversation and the

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00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: two of you have a lot in common, but one

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00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: thing you have in common you both have amazing instincts.

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00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about these shows that you've done.

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00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: They have been so successful, and some people, of course

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00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: would write it off to luck. It's not luck. Same

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00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: with Paul. You know you hit. Paul's instincts are straight on,

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00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: and that's why you know his career has endured the

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00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: way it has, and this is why your career has

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00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: endured the way it has and the other common denominator.

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Speaker 1: I think Paul correct me if I'm wrong. I think

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00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: Paul wrote Buddy Holly's last song, right, wasn't it one

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00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: of them? It doesn't matter any songs he recorded before

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00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: he died.

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Speaker 2: He was he was a very good friend of mine,

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00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: and I was kind of guiding his career. You know,

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00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: he's going through some problems with management and the group,

1111
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. And he wanted to, you know,

1112
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: elevate two strings and the kind of production that I

1113
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: was doing, and they were going to open a company together.

1114
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: And he called me after he got married and he said,

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00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: you know, I want to do a big band kind

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: of arrangement. So I wrote, it doesn't matter anymore, and

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00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: then we put him on tour. But you know, the

1118
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: best late plans. We were all eager to get to

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00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: the next city. You know, we didn't travel and style

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00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: back then. These were all buses, not well appointed, and

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00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: a lot of it was in weather. So every now

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00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: and then we kind of contemplate taking a plane, any plane,

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Speaker 2: to get to the next city. Get your laundry done.

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: And Buddy was taking pilot lessons in Teterborough. So we

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: sent him out on that tour and the weather was

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01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: pretty bad and you wanted to get to the next city,

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01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: and he convinced this pilot to take he and the

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01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: bopper I think Richie Allen's to the next city. Well,

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01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: you know, they never got off the ground. It was disastrous,

1130
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: but that's the day the music died, you know, and

1131
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: it was he was going to be my music partner,

1132
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: and we traveled all over the world. He was huge

1133
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 2: in Great Britain, Scotland. I mean, they love Buddy, all

1134
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: the English primarily back there. In the earlier years they

1135
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: were emulating what we were doing, and then they finally

1136
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: got to do it better. The only guy that waylaid

1137
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: their plans is when Hendrick sit Town I was over there.

1138
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: I told you guys, every great guitarist wound up in

1139
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: that little club and Jimmy got up and he started playing.

1140
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: Well half of them were ready to go home and

1141
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: commit suicide because I couldn't believe how amazing he was,

1142
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: you know. So he changed that landscape. But the British,

1143
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: you know, they turned it right around and did it

1144
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: better than we did and came over here and swept

1145
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: us away. And if I wasn't a writer, I don't

1146
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 2: know what kind of career i'd have, you know, writing

1147
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: those little teenage songs. But I did Tonight Show Theme

1148
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: and Longest Day, just kind of stayed active and had

1149
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: the gravitass of writing. But the English force was really

1150
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: you know, when I met the Beatles and knew them,

1151
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: and I'd come back to my agents over here to

1152
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: talk to them, say, there's these kids, you know, the Beatles,

1153
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: they'd said, what what Beatles? I mean Beatles? I said,

1154
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: the Beatles. They got here, but I said, you got

1155
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: to see them, and I think Normy Weiss and Sid

1156
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: Bernstein they flew over and made the deal, brought them

1157
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 2: over Shay Stadium at Sullivan. You know the rest of

1158
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: the story. They became the factor. They were it man.

1159
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: They blew us out of the water.

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: Amazing. So Mark, I know we're keeping you off the slopes,

1161
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: but you want to tell you at number one, I'm

1162
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: glad we didn't have our buddy Holly moment you and

1163
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: I together at that time. Secondly, I need you to

1164
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: work on your golf game, although looking over your shoulder

1165
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: with that snow, I don't think you can do it

1166
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: up there unless you have a I'm taking lessons on

1167
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: the simulator. So actually, you know, I'm pretty focused and

1168
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: the most important thing, one of the most important things

1169
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: to me will be to beat you in the next

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01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: few years. I look forward to it. Really appreciate you

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01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: doing this. I know you don't do this, so that's

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01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: greatly appreciated. You were terrific.

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Speaker 7: Of course, Skip, you could not find in the last

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01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 7: every yes, I would ever do this except for that

1175
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 7: close friendship. I'm grateful. It was a good conversation. Thank you, Paul,

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01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Pleasure, Ski, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Take care.

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Speaker 2: Our Away with Paul, Anka and Skip Bronson is a

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01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: The show's executive producer is Jordan Runtogg, with supervising producer

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01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: and editor Marcy Depina.

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01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: It was engineered by Todd Carlin and Graham Gibson and

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Speaker 2: mixed and mastered by Doug Bone.

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