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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: all of you hanging out with us as we roll

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Speaker 2: through into the weekend and hopefully power you into fantastic weekends.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot to discuss fallout Hunter Biden indictment

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Speaker 2: news came down yesterday while we were discussing many different

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Speaker 2: topics that news.

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Speaker 3: What is the takeaway? Where are we headed there?

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Speaker 2: Trump has done interviews with both Meghan Kelly and NBC News.

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Speaker 2: We've got a few of those cuts to discuss now

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Speaker 2: that Trump is sitting down for long form interviews with NBC.

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Speaker 2: It's I think particularly interesting in the Megan Kelly interview.

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Speaker 2: Also a lot there. We've got continued fallout dealing with

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Speaker 2: the illegal basically overrunning of New York City and many

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Speaker 2: other American city as well in terms of being able

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Speaker 2: to take care of all of those challenges. And we've

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Speaker 2: got a couple of guests for you to let you

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Speaker 2: kind of know where we're headed. Andy McCarthy, who does

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Speaker 2: I think the best job breaking down the legal process anywhere.

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Speaker 2: He'll be on with us at one thirty and then

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Speaker 2: Gerard Baker of The Wall Street Journal. I am an

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Speaker 2: unabashed huge fan of the Wall Street Journal and the

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Speaker 2: content that they put out every day. He is a

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Speaker 2: editor and has a prominent role there. I think he's

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Speaker 2: got a new book out that should be a fun

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Speaker 2: conversation as well. That is going to be an hour

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Speaker 2: two and hour three. But Buck, we began with Jensaki

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Speaker 2: on MSNBC last night discussing what is going on in

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Speaker 2: the White House now that Hunter Biden has been charged.

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Speaker 2: We have a heartbroken president. Listen to cut eight.

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Speaker 4: I think on the politics of this, you know, millions

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Speaker 4: of Americans have dealt with family members who have dealt

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Speaker 4: with drug addiction, who've dealt with alcohol addiction, who have

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Speaker 4: dealt with a range of addiction. My bet is right now,

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Speaker 4: this is a heartbroken president in the White House who

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Speaker 4: is worried about his son, and we're all watching to

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Speaker 4: see kind of what happens with.

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Speaker 3: This heartbroken worried about his son.

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Speaker 2: The complete rig job, the sweetheart deal that they all

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Speaker 2: worked out, Buck, that was supposed to have been signed

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Speaker 2: off on in July, just about six weeks ago. My

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Speaker 2: how the plot twist has occurred here where suddenly Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden at least potentially is facing one series of charges

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Speaker 2: we still need. And this is where I would hammer

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Speaker 2: home Buck and I haven't heard a lot of explanation

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Speaker 2: about the timing on this side. We still need all

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Speaker 2: the charges felony charges brought on the tax evasion issues,

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Speaker 2: but this is at least a start. Here's a question

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Speaker 2: for you. Do you think charges on tax evasion will

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Speaker 2: ever get brought?

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Speaker 3: No, not serious ones. I don't think that serious. Again,

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Speaker 3: I'm sticking to what I've thought all along here, which

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Speaker 3: is there's a very very clear pattern of they just

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Speaker 3: keep delaying and stretching this thing out as far as

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Speaker 3: they possibly can, which has already taken a Hunter out

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Speaker 3: of substantial legal jeopardy, and there's no bringing it back

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Speaker 3: because of the statute of limitations. So my sense here

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Speaker 3: is they'll probably give him some kind of a plea

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Speaker 3: deal that will even if it's felony charges won't have

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Speaker 3: any There'll be a diversionary program attached to it, so

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Speaker 3: it'll be some kind of They're going to lean on

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Speaker 3: the fact that he's a drug addict to say he

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Speaker 3: doesn't need punishment, he needs treatment. And there'll be some

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Speaker 3: he goes to, like you know, a treatment center or something.

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Speaker 3: He's not going to federal prison, which to me, under

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Speaker 3: the circumstances is extreme sweetheart treatment. If that happens, that's

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Speaker 3: what I think is going to go down, because if

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Speaker 3: he has to take a real charge. Remember Weiss, we've

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Speaker 3: already established from the show Weiss is tight with the Bidens.

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Speaker 3: And Weiss would not have been not only would he

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Speaker 3: not have been assigned by Merrick Garland, which is not

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Speaker 3: even allowable under DOJ rules to be appointed as a

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Speaker 3: special counsel if he wasn't a Biden fixes in guy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's somebody who's already shown us up to

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Speaker 3: this point his willingness. I mean, Clay that that plea

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Speaker 3: deal he said was crazy town, right, I mean this

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Speaker 3: is if you had shown me what they were trying

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Speaker 3: to do before the deal, I would have actually agreed

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Speaker 3: because it was like, yeah, this deal. And also, don't

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Speaker 3: check out anything on page number fifteen, subsection C. That's

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Speaker 3: gonna make a whole other felony go away that we're

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Speaker 3: not even talking about here, Like this is it was absurd,

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Speaker 3: and they that was what the prosecutors were trying to that.

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Speaker 3: People have to remember, it's not like that was just

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Speaker 3: Hunter's defense team. The prosecution signed off on that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the prosecution No, I know, you know, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's not just the judge that the prosecutors were in

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Speaker 3: on that scam. So I still think that as much

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Speaker 3: as they're doing all this supporting. Now you saw it,

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Speaker 3: like Hunter is dejected and said, and you know, I

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Speaker 3: think that he knows at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: he will not spend a day in prison, and that

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Speaker 3: is under the circumstances extreme favoritism in terms of the treatment.

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Speaker 3: That's my that's my assessment.

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Speaker 2: I also love this this this Dan Goldman guy. He's

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Speaker 2: a congressman from New York, right, am, I am? I

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Speaker 2: correcting that Dan Goldman, Congressman from New York, Democrat congressman. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: he has become the new Adam Shift. He will just

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Speaker 2: go so far down the rabbit hole of propaganda. He

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Speaker 2: is like Iraqi Ministry of Information level Bagdad Bob crazy.

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Speaker 2: He says, Hunter Biden is getting the worst of a

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Speaker 2: two tier justice system.

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Speaker 3: But before we play this clipbuck.

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Speaker 2: Imagine saying this when Trump is facing ninety one felonies

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Speaker 2: and they're trying to put him in prison for the

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Speaker 2: rest of his life, effectively for being the chief opposition

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Speaker 2: candidate to Joe Biden. Listen to Dan Goldman on the

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Speaker 2: two tiered justice system that Hunter Biden is a victim of.

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Speaker 5: I've never heard of this charge being brought. I understand

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Speaker 5: it is occasionally brought here and there, but in the

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Speaker 5: discretion you know, I was in the Southern District of

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Speaker 5: New York. We looked for felons who were in possession

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Speaker 5: of guns. We did not look for people who were

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Speaker 5: subject to substance abuse for eleven days in the possession

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Speaker 3: So this is unusual.

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Speaker 5: And when you hear of the two tiered justice system,

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Speaker 5: I would argue that Hunter Biden is getting worse of

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Speaker 5: the worst of it because his last name is Biden,

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Speaker 5: not the other way around.

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Speaker 2: This is this is class given me credit, This is

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Speaker 2: this is this is amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's gas lighting. It's a mental manipulation technique that they're

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Speaker 3: using here where they see the problem and they accuse

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Speaker 3: you know, it would be like if if you wanted

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Speaker 3: someone to stop hitting you and you hadn't confront of

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Speaker 3: them about it yet, because you know, they get angry

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Speaker 3: and they hit you, and then when do they show up,

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Speaker 3: they're like, you know, I'm really I'm really not comfortable

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Speaker 3: with the violence that you're perpetrating against me. It completely

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Speaker 3: upends the conversation and makes it really hard to have

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Speaker 3: just that you're lying, you're going in the opposite direction

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Speaker 3: of the truth. Right. It's one thing to say hundred

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Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have been charged, which is crazy, but to

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Speaker 3: say that Hunter is being targeted for harsher treatment because

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Speaker 3: he's Joe Biden's son, this is Bonker's level insane. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is like saying Anthony Fauci was way too lax

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Speaker 3: about COVID measures and was way too individualistic and letting

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Speaker 3: people approach it like I don't even know what to say.

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Speaker 3: But for some people this will work. The problem is,

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Speaker 3: in our mass media environment, the most aggressive lies are

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Speaker 3: many times the most effective.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is why I would be encouraging every

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Speaker 2: coming on tax evasion? That's what has to happen, right

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Speaker 2: because and by the way they really, I think, should

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Speaker 2: try and charge for what they let expire in fifteen

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Speaker 2: and sixteen. That's also indefensible that they just let that

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Speaker 2: get him on I think it's seventeen and eighteen calendar

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Speaker 2: years for not paying his taxes. Those charges need to

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Speaker 2: be filed immediately. You can amend the pleating as necessary.

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Speaker 2: You've had five years to get them ready. Right now,

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to ask, not did Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: get treated unfairly? But are they still charging him with

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Speaker 2: the absolute lowest amount of public charges that they could

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Speaker 2: down to a misdemeanor. Again, to your point, Buck, certainly,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why Hunter would be stressed out that

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Speaker 2: is he has to play it.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I think, because this came up

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Speaker 3: becoming less valuable, and he's worried about them. He's worried

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Speaker 3: the millions that he's going to pay. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if this will cost to millions, but certainly hundreds of thousands.

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Speaker 3: No question that he would have to pay for a

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Speaker 3: And I think that he's also recognizing his ability to

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Speaker 2: Are you suggesting that his painting career is not going

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I haven't have you to be fair,

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Speaker 3: have you have you seen the paintings. I have seen

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Speaker 2: The craziest thing to me about the paintings, take leaving

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Speaker 2: in this as part of the settlement with the daughter

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Speaker 2: that the Bidens would not acknowledge they actually gave her

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Speaker 2: that's how he's paying part of his child, you know,

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Speaker 2: paternity responsibilities. That seems like a really poor negotiation tactic

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Speaker 2: up for like a Maserati dealership and they're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: sign here, and you're like, no, no, I don't have money.

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Speaker 3: What I do have is this amazing finger painting for you.

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Speaker 3: The article.

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Speaker 2: The article when they wrote about the plea agreement collapsing

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Speaker 2: in New York Times, they said that there were so

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Speaker 2: many details in it that were just ridiculous. But Hunter's

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Speaker 2: attorney traveled all the way across the country to discuss

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Speaker 2: this latest twist and turn in the case with Hunter

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Speaker 2: in his painting studio, and I'm just like, come on,

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Speaker 2: Hunter is sitting in his painting suffer as a lawyer

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Speaker 2: doesn't need to travel all the way across the country

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Speaker 2: to have a conversation with him, right, Like you can

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Speaker 2: call somebody on a phone, but that he's in the

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Speaker 3: Like a paint, you know, like brush, Like he's like

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Speaker 3: he's Vincent Vengo or something to show up to all

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Speaker 3: of his like if he does end up going to trial,

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Speaker 3: which I don't even think what happened, but he should

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Speaker 2: You know, Like what if he did his own room sketches,

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Speaker 3: Well, it depends on who you are, right, if you're

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Speaker 3: Oh I get that.

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Speaker 2: But like if you act actually hung it up in

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Speaker 2: A Hunter Biden original would actually be hysterical to put

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Speaker 3: the Southern District of New York Andy. Great to have

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Speaker 3: The announcement yesterday of the charges against Hunter Biden. How

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't want to say it's nothing burger. You know,

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Speaker 6: So you know, it's a it's a serious matter. Compared

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Speaker 6: which are it's inexplicable. Well, inexplicable is the wrong word.

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Speaker 6: It's entirely explicable. But it was terribly wrong for them

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Speaker 6: Weiss's job was to make the case disappear with respect

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Speaker 3: You know there's an effort underway. Clearly, this is the

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Speaker 3: Here's a rundown of why the accusations against the President's

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Speaker 3: if you're going to take a plea, that doesn't really happen.

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Speaker 3: But it seems to me Andy, they're trying to make

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is pretty hilarious. I mean, here's a guy

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Speaker 6: They've never brought the case. And they not only know

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Speaker 6: And I must say, Buck, I think like the interesting

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Speaker 6: I think Clay. It's it's I think it's even worse

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Speaker 6: So already everything that is in that is a normal

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Speaker 6: can't help but think that the reason that Weiss handled

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Speaker 6: he didn't bring any charges. Usually, as a federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: And not only that, and to your point, it's awfully

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Speaker 2: convenient that all the tax charges from when Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: Right, Clay, I think all you need to know about

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Speaker 6: that is that the nice people at Parisma, when Joe

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Speaker 3: Yeah, total.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know how much more blunt it

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Speaker 3: Right, No, Nadie, what do you think of the chances

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Speaker 3: at any point over this stuff? Well?

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Speaker 6: See, now this gets to this gets to the human element.

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Speaker 6: I have to say, if this was one of my

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Speaker 6: sons and I had the power to pardon, there's no

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Speaker 6: way you would ever put one of my sons in prison,

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Speaker 6: Not for me what happened. So uh And I don't

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Speaker 6: you know, I say this with sympathy for Biden as

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Speaker 6: a human being, As somebody who's a parent, you know,

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Speaker 6: I get that it would be a terrible abuse of

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Speaker 6: power and the honorable thing to do if you use

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Speaker 6: your power to help your family out in that way,

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Speaker 6: and to help yourself, by the way would be to

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Speaker 6: resign right after doing it. But I can't imagine that. Biden,

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Speaker 6: who you know, Look, I think I've said this a

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Speaker 6: million times. I think all the people who say Biden's

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Speaker 6: lost the stuff, Yeah, maybe he lost the step, but

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Speaker 6: he was always you know, he was an imbecile for century.

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Speaker 6: So nobody who's followed him like I followed him for

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Speaker 6: all these years could be surprised by some of the

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Speaker 6: stuff that we've seen. But at the same time, as

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Speaker 6: a personal matter, you know, he lost his other son,

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Speaker 6: he lost his wife and another child. He's had a

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of.

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Speaker 6: Sympathy for that. I lost my dad when I was

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Speaker 6: very young. It's a traumatic thing that you never ever

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Speaker 6: get over. And if you you know, if the question

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Speaker 6: with on that kind of a record is you have

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Speaker 6: your one remaining son who is tragically a narcotics addict,

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Speaker 6: who you know has been through very bad stuff and

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Speaker 6: undoubtedly put his family through very bad stuff. Are you

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Speaker 6: going to let him get sentenced to federal prison? I

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Speaker 6: just I don't see it well.

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Speaker 2: I think that would do Sorry, sorry, but but I

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Speaker 2: think that's probably what you're building on too. Okay, from

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Speaker 2: a perspective, I think we agree that he's unlikely to

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Speaker 2: let his son ever go into uh, into a jail

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Speaker 2: or into any sort of prison. What does that do

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Speaker 2: politically in your mind? Andy, if he were to decide

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Speaker 2: to do something that no one has ever done with

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Speaker 2: the pardon power in the history of the United States,

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Speaker 2: and that is pardon his own son, I.

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Speaker 6: Think it's gonna it's gonna make a fool out of

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Speaker 6: me play because I've been the one who's saying all

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Speaker 6: along that I don't think Trump can win. I just

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Speaker 6: don't think, like the math doesn't work. And I think

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Speaker 6: if Biden does something like we're talking about UH, all

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Speaker 6: bets are off.

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Speaker 2: It's so destructive politically to him that you think Trump

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Speaker 2: could win ahead to head battle with Biden. That's how

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Speaker 2: that's how destructive it could be.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean, I don't want to suggest that

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Speaker 6: it's a it's a it's an isolation. Right. The economies

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Speaker 6: is a catastrophe for a president to try to run on.

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Speaker 6: His record's been awful. He's destroying the country. He's completely

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Speaker 6: decimating important institutions in the country. He's a very unpopular figure,

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Speaker 6: and if he given what his age is, you have

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Speaker 6: to take into account that if anything were to happen

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Speaker 6: to him, Kamala Harris becomes president. I mean, that's such

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Speaker 6: a toxic combination of things. If you throw on top

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Speaker 6: of it that he abuses his power. I assume if

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Speaker 6: he's going to cross the rubicon, he's not just going

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Speaker 6: to pardon Hunter. He's going to pardon you know, whoever

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Speaker 6: It'd be very hard to survive all that politically.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any doubt. Have a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I hope you enjoy my Braves winning the sixth

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Speaker 2: straight NL East title.

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Speaker 6: Oh oh, you're killing me. I thought the week. I

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Speaker 3: It's a tough time for New York sports fans.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Andy, No no better feeling out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: migrant crisis NYC. Little bit of update for you on

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Speaker 3: this one. There was a meeting with Alexandria Ocazio or Okazio, Cortes,

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Speaker 3: Jerry Nadler, a bunch of prominent Democrats outside of a

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Speaker 3: asylum seekers. And there were some folks who were present

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Speaker 3: who were not happy with the fact that New York

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Speaker 3: City is now America's largest refugee camp. And that is

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Speaker 3: a from a definition perspective, an accurate statement they are

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Speaker 3: taking in asylum seekers or refugees. Also, the numbers on

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Speaker 3: this Clay, I thought this was interesting. There was a

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Speaker 3: If memory serves that I saw share the asylum numbers

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Speaker 3: for what percentage recently eighty ninety percent of the people

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Speaker 3: coming from Central America other parts of Latin America, for example,

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Speaker 3: don't get asylum when they're actually up for because they're

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Speaker 3: not asylum seekers. Right. The whole point here is the

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Speaker 3: system is being scammed. Asylum is I can't be in

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Speaker 3: my country because I'm in physical danger, or I'm being

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Speaker 3: oppressed because of my religion or something that is different

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Speaker 3: than I want to be in a country with a

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Speaker 3: better economy, in a massive welfare state. Here I am.

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Speaker 3: That's called immigration. That's not asylum seeking or refugee status.

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Speaker 3: But they claim to be refugees because they're scamming the

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Speaker 3: whole system. Everybody has to remember that. So they're running

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Speaker 3: massive refuge camps now in New York City. I've been

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Speaker 3: to other refugee camps elsewhere in the world, so I

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Speaker 3: know something about refugee camps. And here is what it

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Speaker 3: sounded like outside the hotel as these democrats are in

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Speaker 3: there to make this even more comfortable, more funding, and

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Speaker 3: better for the illegal aliens who have gathered in New

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Speaker 3: York City. Play it. The American dream. Will not be bullied.

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Speaker 3: It's a submission today. We will continue to fight for

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Speaker 3: the American dream.

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Speaker 7: We will not be bully.

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Speaker 3: We'll We're not be pushing to a corner.

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Speaker 6: We will fight for these common sense solutions.

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Speaker 3: Can I just be clear? Apparently that was Representative Adriano Espayat,

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Speaker 3: Did I get that right? If I nailed that? When

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Speaker 3: I'm proud of myself, first time I've seen that name

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Speaker 3: Democrat of New York who is saying, Clay, the American

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Speaker 3: dream now is you get to enter illegally, you get

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Speaker 3: to why about the need for you to stay. You

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Speaker 3: get taxpayers to pay for your food, housing, clothing, and

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Speaker 3: all healthcare everything else, and then you're supposed to be

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Speaker 3: able to get work permits. That's the American dream now,

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Speaker 3: according to Democrats who are speaking at this migrant center

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Speaker 3: in Manhattan.

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Speaker 2: And what's important about this, Buck, is those are Democrat

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Speaker 2: voters screaming at buy and large Democrat congressmen and women.

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Speaker 2: So Democrats. Now, there's a pretty consistent position on the

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Speaker 2: Republican side, right. It is, let's have border security. Let's

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Speaker 2: not have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants coming across

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Speaker 2: the border every couple of days. I saw Bill Malujin

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Speaker 2: just put out a tweet in the last twenty minutes, Buck,

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration. Things are so crowded now on the

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Speaker 2: and now dropping them off in San Diego.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe we can grab that audio, but they're

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Speaker 2: telling those illegal immigrants you're free to go like you

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Speaker 2: you're just go out and do whatever you want. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is crazy. But Democrats don't have an answer for this.

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Speaker 2: They out they're finally fighting internally over this, but they

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Speaker 2: should based on what the Democrat party position has been.

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Speaker 2: This will be a shock. If you go back, you

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Speaker 2: could find editorials by the editorial board of the New

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Speaker 2: York Times as recently as let's say ninety eight, maybe

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Speaker 2: ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I go back. As you know, I grew

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Speaker 3: up in a New York Times subscribing household to Clay,

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Speaker 3: so I used to read it all the time. Then

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Speaker 3: we switched to the Wall Street Journal years later. The

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Speaker 3: even if it was liberal. Now it's obviously just communist nonsense.

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Speaker 3: But they would back in the nineties write editorials about

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Speaker 3: illegal immigration and talk about how it was unfair to

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Speaker 3: other migrants, how it suppressed win ages for the working class,

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Speaker 3: how it particularly created unfair competition for racial minorities already

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Speaker 3: in America, how it created They would actually make these

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Speaker 3: arguments from a Democrat perspective, that it was suppressing wages

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Speaker 3: Now with for the last twenty years or so, it

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Speaker 3: illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are better than Americans in terms

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Speaker 3: of their work ethic, better than Americans in terms of

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Speaker 3: their law abiding nature. It's all propaganda. And what they're

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Speaker 3: finally forced to deal with is okay, so illegal migrants,

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Speaker 3: all they do is make everybody wealthier, better off. Say

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Speaker 3: for everything that's great. New York should be saying, send

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Speaker 3: another one hundred thousand, Yeah, send another one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 3: We want more instead. The mayor of New York City,

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Speaker 3: and now he's trying to walk it back, is saying

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Speaker 3: ruin it. Why are they ruining it? Everybody? The Democrat

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Speaker 3: Party told us for twenty years that illegal immigrants are

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Speaker 3: amazing and just make the country better in every respect. Clay,

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Speaker 3: there was no downside you were allowed to speak of

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Speaker 2: And that's what they tried to say about the idea

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Speaker 2: of the wall. And what I think you're seeing is

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Speaker 2: the number one issue that Biden is underwater on is

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Speaker 2: the border. And he's underwater on it, because everybody agrees

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Speaker 2: that it's a disaster. And I thought you succinctly summed

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Speaker 2: it up, you know, last year when you said Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden cares way more about the sanctity of Ukraine's border

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Speaker 2: than he does in the United States border. And I

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Speaker 2: think that is a pitch that works very well when

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Speaker 2: you go out and make an argument about what is

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Speaker 2: going on there, but when you're seeing now record because

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Speaker 2: remember Title forty two was ended, and it sound it

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Speaker 2: felt like and you see, if you agree with me

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Speaker 2: on this buck that there was almost a pause because

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Speaker 2: people weren't sure what the new policy was going to

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Speaker 2: be south of the border, and so there was a

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Speaker 2: huge influx before Title forty two expired. Then Title forty

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Speaker 2: to be like. And now it's basically a huge, wide

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Speaker 2: open southern border and everybody is rushing back.

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Speaker 3: The flood is the border again, That is all correct.

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Speaker 3: The flood is full on, back on, and you have

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Speaker 3: to remember the migrants that there are networks. They're speaking

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Speaker 3: to each other and word gets out through the smuggling networks.

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Speaker 3: When is a good time to go? And so if

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Speaker 3: there was a pause at the border at the end

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Speaker 3: of Title forty two, it would have only just been

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Speaker 3: a you could call it a strategic pause to see

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Speaker 3: can we still get in easily? Are they still doing

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Speaker 3: the same stuff? What's going on? Title forty two wasn't

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Speaker 3: blocking a lot of people who are coming in illegally anyway.

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Speaker 3: It just gave one tool that could be used, and

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Speaker 3: was used, particularly earlier on in the pandemic, more forcefully

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Speaker 3: to repatriate immediately people who weren't in the country legally.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you start to realize the erosion of

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Speaker 3: the rule of law that this represents is not a

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Speaker 3: minor thing, because if the government can just decide that

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Speaker 3: a person can be in the country illegally and just

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Speaker 3: because it is no longer illegal, they don't pass a

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Speaker 3: statue to this regard. They don't they don't actually clarify

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Speaker 3: this as a function of law. They just choose that

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Speaker 3: immigration law doesn't matter anymore. Clay, why should tax law matter?

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Speaker 3: Like why is hunter facing charges on possession of a gun?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what laws should we really enforce? Like what

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Speaker 3: does it mean when our immigration system. They keep saying

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Speaker 3: it is broken. That is a lie. The left, the

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Speaker 3: activists and the Kamis have broken it because what they've

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Speaker 3: done is morally blackmail the country effectively into refusing to

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Speaker 3: enforce immigration law. And by the way, a lot of

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00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: Republicans go along with this too. A lot of Chamber

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Speaker 3: of Commerce donor class Republican politicians and you know, all

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Speaker 3: throughout the spectrum are like, we need the cheap I

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Speaker 3: got into a huge fight with some very famous Republicans

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Speaker 3: at the table that I cannot name. So was off

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Speaker 3: the record, Clay not long ago. It was actually on

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Speaker 3: a on a this is how I spend my This

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Speaker 3: is before Carrie. I was spending what's the fancy the

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Speaker 3: Heart Holiday? What is it called?

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Speaker 6: Same?

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Speaker 2: Not Valentine the Heart Valentine's Day? Sorry, I said, by

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Speaker 2: like such a long term bachelor. There was a stupid

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Speaker 2: Heart holiday whatever it is that the stupid cubid and

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Speaker 2: the bows and the arrows.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't. I can't tell you over the years

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Speaker 3: how many dates I was like, you know, didn't go.

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Speaker 3: I was like the Heart Holiday.

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Speaker 2: I was like, is there, like, is there a Pediatric

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Speaker 2: Association hall? Like, yeah, the Heart holiday Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 3: But I was at I was at a dinner and

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Speaker 3: and and one, and there were a couple of people

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Speaker 3: and it was off the records, I can't say, but

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Speaker 3: there's some very well known right wingers who were there.

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Speaker 3: And there was a donor class person, let's just say,

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Speaker 3: a very wealthy donor class person. And all this person

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Speaker 3: kept saying was we need more illegals because I need

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Speaker 3: to hire them for the businesses, big, big businesses. And

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Speaker 3: I kept saying, what about Americans? And you know what

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Speaker 3: the response kept being, They're too expensive. Yeah, well, folks,

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Speaker 3: guess what, there's a reason that they can get paid less.

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Speaker 3: And there are reasons that involve also all the social

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Speaker 3: services that are going to go to support the illegals,

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Speaker 3: as in what you see in New York City society.

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Speaker 3: It's socializing the costs of bringing these people in illegally

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Speaker 3: and then maximizing the profits for one small sector that

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Speaker 3: writes checks to the right politicians. This is what has

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Speaker 3: broken the system. Our immigration laws are actually rather straightforward

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Speaker 3: if you want to read them and look at what

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Speaker 3: they say.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this woman buck Cut twenty eight. She is

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Speaker 2: we were just playing in New York City. The politicians

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Speaker 2: getting yelled down as they're trying to discuss this crisis

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Speaker 2: in New York City. Listen to this woman, who I

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Speaker 2: think is speaking for a huge majority of Americans. Listen

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Speaker 2: to Cut twenty eight.

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Speaker 8: My message is close the border vet. These people, like,

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Speaker 8: how come they get to cut the line in front

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Speaker 8: of millions of people waiting. They're waiting to come to

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Speaker 8: America the right way, but they get like pushed in

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Speaker 8: front the migrants. So the legal migrants they get everything.

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Speaker 8: They put them first, put America Americans last. We need

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Speaker 8: to be America first, not Americans last. Do you think

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Speaker 8: that IOC was responsive to messages like this. No, she

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Speaker 8: cut her little parts conference early because she kept on

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Speaker 8: talking the same thing. Housing for migrants, work for migrants,

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Speaker 8: But what about our homeless veterans, what about our homeless Americans?

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Speaker 8: She puts them, puts the migrants first, us last.

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Speaker 3: Fuck.

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Speaker 2: That's a black woman in AOC's congressional district who she

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Speaker 2: sounds like Donald Trump. She sounds like Donald Trump in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. And that's why I think you are starting

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Speaker 2: to see so many people in the working class community

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Speaker 2: who would have been traditionally Democrat voters starting to repudiate

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Speaker 2: and reject Democrat positions on immigration. I mean, I thought,

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Speaker 2: I mean again, that's a black woman, and I believe

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Speaker 2: in AOC's congressional district in New York City, you just

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Speaker 2: heard it that basically is Donald Trump immigration polic.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they'll say that it's the Democrats

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Speaker 3: to shut people up and to keep people from learning

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Speaker 3: the truth about all the illegality around our immigration system.

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Speaker 3: What it means, what it does, how it overstretches border patrol,

751
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Speaker 3: How it makes the border completely wide open for the

752
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Speaker 3: fentanyl that is poisoning not just the one hundred thousand

753
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Speaker 3: plus who die of overdoses every year, but poisoning whole communities.

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Speaker 3: For every person who dies a fentil, there's a family

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Speaker 3: that is forever shattered. For every person who dies of fentthil,

756
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Speaker 3: there's somebody who's selling that drug that individual, and it's

757
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Speaker 3: facing decades in prison if they are caught ruining that family.

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Speaker 3: The poison that pours across the border because of the illegality,

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Speaker 3: it is hard to put into context, It is hard

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Speaker 3: to put into words. And the only reason this is

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Speaker 3: able to continue is because the Democrats lie to you

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Speaker 3: about it. And when they say it's racist, go walk around.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm here in Miami. Go walk around. Ask

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Speaker 3: a lot of Latinos in Miami, what do you think

765
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Speaker 3: about illegal immigration? You don't you get to hear from

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Speaker 3: most of them. I came here legally. Why should they

767
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Speaker 3: come here illegally? I came here the right way. I

768
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: had to wait, my family had to wait. I spent

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Speaker 3: money on lawyers. They can just walk across the border.

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Speaker 3: That's not right. Hmm. Almost like again, people are being

771
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: lied to on this AOC and all the rest of them.

772
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: They are lying to you about the realities of immigration

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Speaker 3: and the border and what's really happening. If there is,

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00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: by the way, a giant neon sign for how I

775
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Speaker 3: think assuming Trump. People have been getting mad at me,

776
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: by the way, saying Trump is not that. If I

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00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: don't say Trump is the nominee, people get mad at me.

778
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: If I say Trump is the nominee, people get mad.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just saying he's way ahead right now, folks.

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Speaker 3: He's obviously not the nominee technically, but he's clearly way

781
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Speaker 3: way ahead. So we're just dealing with the realities we

782
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Speaker 3: see it. But Clay, immigration is the issue that Trump

783
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Speaker 3: can win this election on. I really believe that it's

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Speaker 3: how he won twenty sixteen. I think immigration in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four is, and his arguments for what he did

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Speaker 3: on immigration, I will say, actually, this is some of

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Speaker 3: the stuff he said the mag Kelly interviews is there's

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Speaker 3: actually a case to be made that the continuation of

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Speaker 3: what he was doing was all that's needed in order

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Speaker 3: to accomplish the goal. So I think that's a particularly

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Speaker 3: powerful place for him to go anyway that immigration gets

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Speaker 3: me fired.

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Speaker 2: That was, by the way, Caitlin Seinclaire's report from New

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Speaker 2: York City interviewing that woman.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty fabulous, Hurt.

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Speaker 2: I mean that clip that we played for you, I

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Speaker 2: think that's going to go viral, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to go viral because I think that woman is

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Speaker 2: speaking for a lot of people Democrats Republicans all over

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Speaker 2: the country who were fed up with an open border.

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Speaker 1: Keefing it real, keeping it honest. Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: everybody hanging out with us. We are joined now as.

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Speaker 2: We come down the home stretch of the Friday edition

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Speaker 2: of the program by Gerard Baker, former editor in chief

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Speaker 2: of the Wall Street Journal, now the editor at Large.

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Speaker 2: He's got a new book, American Breakdown, Why we no

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Speaker 2: longer trust our leaders and institutions and how we can

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Speaker 2: rebuild confidence. I'm looking forward to hearing some of your

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Speaker 2: takes here, Gerar, but I want to start, and thanks

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Speaker 2: for coming on with us. Love the newspaper, love the

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Speaker 2: work you guys do at the Wall Street Journal. With

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Speaker 2: what I would say is the biggest story of the

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Speaker 2: week so far, and it's actually Joe Biden under siege.

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Speaker 2: Washington Post top columnist says he shouldn't run Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: indicted a lot of people out there saying that it's

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Speaker 2: time for Biden to step down.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Joe Biden will be.

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Speaker 2: The Democrat nominee next year running for reelection or do

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Speaker 2: you think it'll be someone else?

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Speaker 9: I thanks very much Indeve having me on. It's very

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Speaker 9: kind of you, and a good Friday afternoon to you

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Speaker 9: and your listeners. I still think he will be I mean,

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Speaker 9: you're absolutely right, it is. There does seem to be

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Speaker 9: something afoot That columnist in the Washington Post. You've talked

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Speaker 9: about some of the polling that we've seen out recently,

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Speaker 9: some of the kind of you know, more chatter about

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Speaker 9: Biden's poor performance of that press conference in Vietnam. No,

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Speaker 9: I think what's going on still. I think the problem though,

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Speaker 9: that they have is they don't have a plausible alternative,

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Speaker 9: and that's really the Democrats problem. I think, you know, Joe,

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Speaker 9: but I think I think the reason we're hearing about

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Speaker 9: this right now is that for a long time, it's

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Speaker 9: been the conventional wisdom in Washington, wrong as usual as

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Speaker 9: the conventional wisdom usually is, but it's been the conventional

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Speaker 9: wisdom that for all Joe Biden's faults, he'll beat Donald Trump.

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump can't win the presidency, he can't win the general,

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Speaker 9: actually can win the Republican primary, he can't win the presidency.

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Speaker 9: I've always thought that was wrong. I've always done as nonsense.

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Speaker 9: I think, with the economy likely weakening next year, I think, actually,

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Speaker 9: you know, the polling already shows Trump at least neck

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Speaker 9: and neck with Biden. He could he could certainly win.

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Speaker 9: And I think that realization that he could win that

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Speaker 9: Biden could lose is starting to seepin, and I think

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Speaker 9: that's starting to make some Democrats panic a little bit

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Speaker 9: and think, oh god, we maybe not only we got

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Speaker 9: this old guy who really isn't up to the job anymore,

868
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Speaker 9: but after all that he may lose to Trump. Their

869
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 9: problem is, though, I don't think they have an alternative.

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Speaker 9: Who's if he steps down? Who's it going to be?

871
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 9: Kamala Harris probably is the inside track. You know, that's Frankly,

872
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 9: I'm know Joe Biden fan, but that scares me even

873
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 9: more than Joe Biden than another four years of Joe

874
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 9: Biden or you know, Gavin Newsoon, Gretchen Whitner. I mean,

875
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Speaker 9: these are not these are not you know, names that

876
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 9: I think are likely to be a shoe in or

877
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Speaker 9: even frankly, likely to be the favorite against Donald Trump.

878
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 9: So I kind of think they're stuck with Biden.

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Speaker 3: Gerard, thanks for being here where there's so your book

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00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: American breakdown Why we no longer trust our leaders and

881
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: institutions and how we can rebuild confidence? Why do we

882
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: no longer trust leaders and institutions? What has changed? What

883
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: have we learned? What have we seen? That you get

884
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: into in this book. As people are going off onto

885
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: their weekends. Here, I think it's worth getting into some

886
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: of the underlying foundational philosophical issues here.

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Speaker 9: So I think there are factors. There are multiple factors

888
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 9: that explain why people have lost trust in the major institutions,

889
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 9: and the numbers are incredibly striking. I went back and

890
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 9: looked in detail at Gallup takes these regular surveys. Other

891
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 9: organizations do too, and trust as a whole in government, media, education,

892
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 9: science and technology, big business, across the board, in all

893
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 9: of these major institutions that kind of lead American life.

894
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 9: Trust has collapsed in the last twenty or thirty years

895
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 9: or so. Just it's down across the board now. I

896
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 9: think that's due to a number of factors that have

897
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 9: to do with the specific institutions themselves. Frankly, people have

898
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 9: decided that government lies to them, which who can blame them?

899
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 9: Government has done a terrible performance in many ways over

900
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 9: the last twenty years. It's got very big and it's

901
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 9: not doing things that people like, and I think that

902
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 9: reason people don't trust the government.

903
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 6: The media.

904
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Speaker 9: We all know the stories of how the media quite frankly,

905
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 9: have become you know, made stories up in the last

906
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 9: few years, have become increasingly partisan, increasingly biased, increasingly in

907
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 9: pursuit of an agenda big business. Big business has become

908
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 9: incredibly woke. It's become globalists. It's very much focused on

909
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 9: you know, global markets and global profits at the expense

910
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 9: of Americans. So again, all of these things have been

911
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 9: going on. If there's a defining common characteristic, though, I

912
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 9: would say, and this is what I read about in

913
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Speaker 9: the book, I think it is this these elites that

914
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 9: have taken control of these institutions, These people who all

915
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 9: think alike. They have the same kind of views. They

916
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 9: have the same views on American history, and they have

917
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 9: the same views on race and gender and immigration and

918
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 9: the importance of you know, global cooperation and global integration.

919
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 9: They have taken they've seized control of these all of

920
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 9: these institutions, and they are they are an elite. I

921
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 9: don't really like using that word, but they basically are

922
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 9: an elite. They are they have values that are fundamentally

923
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 9: at odds with the values of most Americans and the

924
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 9: country this country was. I'm an immigrant, you can probably

925
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 9: tell from my accident. Came here thirty years ago. I've

926
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Speaker 9: been a journalist in this country for thirty years. This

927
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 9: is the greatest country on Earth. It's history has been

928
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Speaker 9: one of extraordinary success, built on the values that it

929
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 9: was founded on. Obviously, it's needed to reform. A lot

930
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 9: of bad things have gone on in American history, But

931
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Speaker 9: the great achievement of America and the genius of America,

932
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 9: is that it's been able to reinvent itself and recreate itself,

933
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Speaker 9: and based on fidelity to those core values. I think

934
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Speaker 9: we are, unfortunately now in all of our key institutions,

935
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 9: led by people, almost all of them anyway, who don't

936
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 9: really share those values, and who want to drive, who

937
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 9: don't really want who don't really want America to be America.

938
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Speaker 9: They want America to be kind of like a like

939
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Speaker 9: a European country, a social democratic country, or even you know,

940
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 9: even maybe an Asian country. They don't share those values.

941
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Speaker 9: So I think that's why people fundamentally don't trust their

942
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Speaker 9: leaders anymore.

943
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Speaker 2: Is this something that a president can cure the right president,

944
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: or do you think it's something that's written at the core,

945
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: And if so, how do you fix it.

946
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Speaker 9: It's going to require a president, It's going to require

947
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 9: legislation probably, it's going to require transformation of the legal system.

948
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 9: I think we're already seeing that in terms of the

949
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 9: direction of the Supreme Court. Look, I mean, one of

950
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 9: the things I look at in the book is the history.

951
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 9: If there's good news in this book, it's that we've

952
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 9: been here before. I mean, America's had these periods before

953
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 9: where you know, trust in their leading institutions has declined sharply,

954
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 9: where people feel alienated from their leading institutions. Look at

955
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 9: look at the nineties, the late nineteen sixties, in particular ninety.

956
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 9: I always say to people who throw up their hands

957
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 9: and say, oh my god, things are terrible today, go

958
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 9: back and look at ninety sixty eight. Ninety sixty eight.

959
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 9: We had, you know, hundreds of Americans were dying every

960
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 9: week in a war. We had political assassinations, major political assaations.

961
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Speaker 9: We had political violence across the country, we had terrorism.

962
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 9: The country was tearing itself apart. And you know, it

963
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 9: did overcome those divisions took a while. First of all,

964
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Speaker 9: Richard Nixon was elected in sixty eight and then re

965
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Speaker 9: elected with a huge majority in seventy two talked about

966
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 9: the silent majority, and I think some extent he was

967
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 9: right about that. Obviously, talking of trust, I mean, his

968
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 9: presidents ended in a collapse of trust with Watergate, and

969
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 9: then we got through to the rest of the seventies

970
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 9: in a pretty pretty shambolic way. And then we got

971
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Speaker 9: Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty so a president can And then,

972
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 9: by the way, that's when in the nineteen eighties, that's

973
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Speaker 9: when once again people did have faith in American faith

974
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Speaker 9: in America's institutions and leadership. So it takes time, it

975
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 9: takes presidential intervention, it takes legislation, it takes but above all,

976
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 9: it takes a cultural change. And I think it takes

977
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 9: people standing up and saying, you know, we're not And

978
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 9: I think this is already happening. I think again, there's

979
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 9: more good music because I think that's already happening. They're

980
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 9: standing up and saying, we are going to assert American values.

981
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 9: We're going to assert these ideals, and we're going to

982
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 9: take our country back. And I think that again, that

983
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 9: is beginning to happen. It'll take time, but I'm confident

984
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 9: that we'll get there.

985
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Speaker 3: Gerard Baker, his book American Breakdown, Why why we no

986
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Speaker 3: longer trust our leaders and institutions and how we can

987
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Speaker 3: rebuild confident in Skeetch your copy today, go check it out,

988
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Speaker 3: and uh, Gerar, thanks so much for being with us,

989
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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Thanks having me. Keep up the good work

990
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Speaker 3: at the Wall Street Journal. I was gonna say thank

991
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Speaker 3: you for doing this like a major broadsheet, you know,

992
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Speaker 3: no h thanks you, Bill keep.

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Speaker 9: I'm so glad you do. Thank you for thank you

995
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Speaker 9: for reading, and thanks for having me.

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