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Speaker 2: The Madison County Sheriff's office got a nine to one

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Speaker 2: We don't know for sure whether Taylor's remains were found

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Speaker 3: I'm Catherine Townsend.

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Speaker 2: Over the past five years of making my true crime podcast,

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Speaker 2: Helen Gone, I've learned that there is no such thing

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Speaker 2: as a small town where murder never happened. I've received

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Speaker 3: And their communities.

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Speaker 2: If you have a case you'd like me and my

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Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. I talked to Taylor's

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Speaker 2: Presumably would have known about the deputy's failure to respond

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Speaker 2: She heard them screaming at each other often. The neighbor

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Speaker 1: That's well, that's my question.

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Speaker 1: That on July twentieth.

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Speaker 2: Apparently one of Taylor's children was in this area, So

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Speaker 2: In reality, we don't know a lot about what she

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Speaker 2: clothing was found scattered in the Big Clifty area. That's

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Speaker 2: don't know exactly when that happened either. The sheriff referred

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Speaker 2: Taylor's picture was on a missing person's website. We're trying

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Speaker 4: So somebody, she's got a missing date of seven, twenty

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Speaker 2: At some point a deputy had to tell a dispatcher

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems kind of quincid. Old. There was a

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Speaker 4: That a friend of Taylor's had gotten her from somewhere,

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Speaker 1: For a long time, probably coming off of drugs. I don't.

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Speaker 4: But when she woke up after sleeping for a long time,

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Speaker 4: Said that her posessions auver belongings round in the field.

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Speaker 6: Then on September the six, someone let them get some

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Speaker 4: I guess when she's trying to make it click that.

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Speaker 1: Because he still didn't know her.

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Speaker 2: After calling nine one one and the lack of police response,

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Speaker 1: This is really scary.

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Speaker 1: Supposed to be back here.

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Speaker 2: We can't get all the way to the spot where

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Speaker 2: It's very remote. We can see bales of hay everywhere.

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Speaker 2: We can't figure out how Taylor's remains ended up out here.

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Speaker 2: Thinking about the entire scenario is horrific. There are so

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Speaker 2: what he had heard about irregularities and evidence collection. He

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Speaker 1: That made me laugh. That actually made me laugh. Okay,

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Speaker 5: Okay, he owned property.

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Speaker 1: How about testing and see this human blood? I mean sorry,

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Speaker 5: I've done this job before and I have never in

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Speaker 1: Anyone who's ever watched law and order knows not to

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the chip bag rumor is true,

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Speaker 2: In the Rebecca Gould case, the local police department had

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Speaker 1: But in that case, the.

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Speaker 2: Izard County Sheriff's Department did the right thing in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: They immediately realized that they needed help and they immediately

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Speaker 1: Thank you for driving us around.

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Speaker 4: This is the kings to the squair and the camp

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Speaker 4: is there if that's not yet, but it's right, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: So we can plan if you want to be in

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Speaker 5: I'll give you an idea.

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Speaker 2: I look that I look on the maps the proximity

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Speaker 1: I mean, what she was hearing was a viable call. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: So said, there's a bunch of junkies were not even

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Speaker 4: Oh no, But but this guy says, if it was

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Speaker 1: Or it was something like.

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Speaker 2: That, And I was like, what you think someone getting

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Speaker 4: Because has said if he would have arrested her a

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Speaker 2: We are still reaching out to people. We are filling

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Speaker 2: We have heard that during some of this time, the

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Speaker 3: I know that I've.

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Speaker 3: Show up ready to.

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Speaker 2: He goes on to talk about the challenges of being understaffed.

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Speaker 3: Many of those were already.

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Speaker 2: Looking for any reason to go after the sheriff's office

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Speaker 1: I find that despicable.

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Speaker 2: Then he goes on to say quote many of those

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Speaker 2: It goes on, but I'm going to stop there. In

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put out here right now we are

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Speaker 2: trying to help them. I know that there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of people out there who may be nervous about

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Speaker 2: talking to law enforcement, So we're conducting interviews and we'll

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Speaker 2: be turning everything helpful we find over to police. I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to reach out to the woman who said she

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Speaker 2: saw Taylor earlier on the night before the screams were heard.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to fill in more of the gaps

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Speaker 2: with and who could have wanted to hurt her and why.

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Speaker 2: Taylor's aunt said the failure of the deputy to respond

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Speaker 2: to Taylor's screams is something she thinks about a lot.

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Speaker 1: Why did he not follow up? Would Taylor still be dead?

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Speaker 2: So once again I'm headed back into the woods.

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Speaker 1: Hot to see the woods. I always end up in

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Speaker 5: I hate him.

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Speaker 2: That is my fate.

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Speaker 3: I'm Catherine Townsend.

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Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line

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Speaker 2: is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: It's written and narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced

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Speaker 2: by Gabby Watts and Miranda Hawkins. Special thanks to Amy

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Speaker 2: Tubbs for her research assistance. Noah Kamer mixed and scored

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