Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: I'm Rachel and I'm Chrudy.
Speaker 3: And today we have a very special guest from Bachelor
Speaker 3: Nation but also from the Valley.
Speaker 2: Everybody, welcome Jasmine.
Speaker 4: Guys, how are you?
Speaker 2: We are so good, We're so happy to have you.
Speaker 3: This is like really exciting for me because you're like
Speaker 3: Bachelination og Royalty, you know, like way.
Speaker 4: Back yeah, throwback, and it's been like almost ten years anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that it's been ten years because we watch
Speaker 1: you on the Valley and you are so iconic. You
Speaker 1: have a very deep history in reality TV.
Speaker 4: Yes, I have been around the world literally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it weren't you on Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders like
Speaker 3: the original original?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Tea, you had a show called Making the Team.
Speaker 4: So I haven't watched this Netflix one. I have no idea,
Speaker 4: but I see clips. I'm like, oh, they have no idea.
Speaker 4: What it used to be like on cmto the Team? Okay,
Speaker 4: that was crazy.
Speaker 2: Making the Team was crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was no joke. It's like, I think the
Speaker 4: things they did back then, they would cancel in a
Speaker 4: heartbeat if they did it today.
Speaker 3: Because I've seen both, and I'm like, there is a
Speaker 3: little bit of a contrast.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it.
Speaker 3: Still is like obviously very difficult to go through that process.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, back then, you guys are like up
Speaker 3: there with America's Next Top Model.
Speaker 4: It was literally I'm like, I can't PTSD. I can't
Speaker 4: even watch the new season on Netflix. I'm gonna trigger,
Speaker 4: Like these girls got it so easy. Yeah, it was
Speaker 4: a different time.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of reality TV, I do want to go
Speaker 1: back and get into all of that. But at the top,
Speaker 1: you just got married, and first of all, congratulations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has been amazing to watch you and Melissa and
Speaker 1: see your relationship on screen. But I think everyone would
Speaker 1: love to know when did you realize that this is
Speaker 1: something different that she was the one?
Speaker 4: Oh? I think so before I mean Melissa started dating,
Speaker 4: I was saying with for like five years, I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm done with reality TV. I'm just gonna be single.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm gonna do this single thing by myself.
Speaker 4: And then she, you know, came out to La during
Speaker 4: a pandemic and we went on this date and everything
Speaker 4: about her I just loved. I mean I already knew
Speaker 4: her prior to that because we grew up in the
Speaker 4: same town she graduated with my brother, so I kind
Speaker 4: of like knew who she was, but we didn't know
Speaker 4: each other, and we kind of kept in contact on
Speaker 4: like Instagram that was always flirting, but which we went
Speaker 4: on our first date. Just something about her. I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be in your life forever. I don't
Speaker 4: know how how it's gonna happen, how is gonna happen,
Speaker 4: but you're gonna be my life forever. And I just
Speaker 4: knew like she was somebody I wanted to like be with.
Speaker 4: But then the more we kept dating, kept dating, and
Speaker 4: it was like, oh wait, I actually like love this person.
Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, I think I just wanted
Speaker 4: to like be with you forever. I just knew. It
Speaker 4: was just something about her, Like you ever meeting the Lesslie,
Speaker 4: you'll understand she's just like the most amazing person human,
Speaker 4: Like everybody feel good, Jakes, you feel good. You just
Speaker 4: want to be a better person because she like just
Speaker 4: poured so much into you. Yeah, I just knew. Like
Speaker 4: one of our third dates, I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: think you're gonna be in my life forever, babe. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is it and then she just moved to La
Speaker 4: and then she never left totally.
Speaker 2: Like gay, this is so sweet.
Speaker 3: I'm like hearing you talk about her like I can
Speaker 3: it just radiates off of you. When you guys were dating,
Speaker 3: like and obviously probably discussing maybe next steps for relationship,
Speaker 3: how did like engagement come up? Like did you guys
Speaker 3: talk about maybe who was going to propose? Or like
Speaker 3: was it a surprise for both of you guys?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So actually Melissa was like kind of was like,
Speaker 4: give me an ultimatum. Sort of she was like, look,
Speaker 4: I'm ready to get married and have kids. Because at
Speaker 4: the time we were traveling, we were just like doing
Speaker 4: so much and we were like we knew we were
Speaker 4: like going and get engaged, but we just were like
Speaker 4: doing so much. I weren't thinking about, oh, we actually
Speaker 4: have to look at rings. So once she said she's like,
Speaker 4: I really want to get engaged by you know, Christmas
Speaker 4: all this stuff, and I'm like, we got to sit down.
Speaker 4: So we kind of went to gole look for the rings,
Speaker 4: decided which ones we like, and then she actually had
Speaker 4: her sabbatical for work coming up, so we were like,
Speaker 4: this is the perfect time to take a long two
Speaker 4: week trip somewhere and then possibly do it there. So
Speaker 4: we went to Majorca and Lake Como and like Singapore,
Speaker 4: all these different places, and then you know, I decided
Speaker 4: to just do this in Mayorka, and then she decided
Speaker 4: to do Lake Como. I actually lived to her. It
Speaker 4: was like I don't have the ring. It's not ready.
Speaker 4: It's like I wanted to do with this trip, but
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry it's not ready. And so I had
Speaker 4: this whole like live set up. This photographer was like
Speaker 4: waiting for us on this mountain clip. It was like
Speaker 4: really beautiful, and yeah, she was like super surprised. So
Speaker 4: it was really sweet.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like a double engagement.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's even better. Like that is so fun that
Speaker 1: you both got to do it. The world has obviously
Speaker 1: watched you, you know, go into different love stories you
Speaker 1: were on the Bachelor, But did this feel like a
Speaker 1: big personal ship stepping into a queer relationship publicly or
Speaker 1: was that like more of a natural evolution and for you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So when I was on the Bachelor, like I
Speaker 4: remember interviewing dor my audition and like telling them like, yeah,
Speaker 4: like I date women too. I never watched a Bachelor
Speaker 4: at the time, so I was like, is this like
Speaker 4: a mixed type of thing. They're like, no, it's just
Speaker 4: one guy and like, you know, twenty five girls. So
Speaker 4: when I got off the Bachelor, I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I the way, like there was so much attension around
Speaker 4: like other my other friends who are in relationship with
Speaker 4: like Raven and Adam, they were having so much attention
Speaker 4: on their relationship. I'm like, I don't know if I
Speaker 4: want to deal with that, like coming out. So I
Speaker 4: was like anything I do now, I'm like keeping my
Speaker 4: relationship private. I want to keep it like, you know,
Speaker 4: something special. And I always said I'm not doing any
Speaker 4: more reality shows and then finally be down a relationship
Speaker 4: and the value was presented to us. I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, this could be something that I think people
Speaker 4: need to see. Like I was like, there's not many
Speaker 4: like queer gay couples on TV or reality that I
Speaker 4: have seen, and you know, we really sat and talked
Speaker 4: about and I was like, this could be a way
Speaker 4: to like, you know, give awareness and you know, show
Speaker 4: people that like we are, yes we're gay, but you're
Speaker 4: just like any other out there, Like we do the
Speaker 4: same shit. We you know, want the same goals and
Speaker 4: things in life. So I think we really wanted to
Speaker 4: show that representation. So it was really nice that that
Speaker 4: she was on board for because what's that didn't come from
Speaker 4: like a TV background. She was like, you know, corporate early,
Speaker 4: and so I was really nervous that it was like,
Speaker 4: how is she going to react to that, you know,
Speaker 4: especially like being in this world and trying to be
Speaker 4: accepted in her coming from a corporate world and I'm
Speaker 4: in the reality space, but you know, I'm coming off
Speaker 4: of like The Bachelor and everyone's thinking that I'm straight.
Speaker 4: It was like, Okay, what are people going to think?
Speaker 4: Like is this going to be recepted the right way?
Speaker 4: But I think you know, when I did, everybody was
Speaker 4: very like welcoming and You're like, oh my god, that's
Speaker 4: so sweet. I'm happy for you. So yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 4: like a bad or weird transition or anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 3: And I and I really do like think about obviously
Speaker 3: you mentioning she comes from a corporate background and she's
Speaker 3: like not in this space, and I could only imagine
Speaker 3: how interesting that can be, like transitioning into this world
Speaker 3: because as we know, it. It is so complex and
Speaker 3: it comes with so many layers. How do you guys
Speaker 3: support each other. I guess specifically with being in the
Speaker 3: public eye and then also for you Jasmine as like
Speaker 3: a black woman queer on reality TV. I'm sure that
Speaker 3: comes with so many layers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's crazy, I know with me and her,
Speaker 4: and we always have these conversations like when we went
Speaker 4: into it, where like we have to be very open
Speaker 4: and talk to each other, like always checking in because
Speaker 4: with me, I'm just like, you know, I just go
Speaker 4: for it. I'm like, say what I wanted to do
Speaker 4: this and that, but I'm like, oh wait, now I'm
Speaker 4: in a relationship, Like I have to think about her
Speaker 4: as well, Like what like people are going to think
Speaker 4: about her, what they're going to like give her, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want her to get all this
Speaker 4: hate and stuff. So it's one thing that we how
Speaker 4: we navigate it just always checking in with each other,
Speaker 4: you know, and making sure like if this gets too much,
Speaker 4: then let's not do it. Like if it gets to
Speaker 4: a point where you know, you really think that is
Speaker 4: going to ruin our relationship, or it's something with your career,
Speaker 4: your family, then you know what, maybe we have to
Speaker 4: take a step and either you step back and you're
Speaker 4: not a part of it, or we both step back
Speaker 4: because like to me, like she is so important and
Speaker 4: takes like priority over all of this especially and also
Speaker 4: like to answer about being you know, queer and black,
Speaker 4: like that's a whole nother like level too. It's like
Speaker 4: I always feel like I have to like show up
Speaker 4: a certain way or I have to like make sure
Speaker 4: I'm representing for the black people but also making sure
Speaker 4: I'm representing for the quirk or a few girls. There's
Speaker 4: so many like different things like pressure. Sometimes I feel
Speaker 4: like and there's moments where I'm like why do I
Speaker 4: have to like be like that? Why do I have
Speaker 4: to act this way? But I'm like I just want
Speaker 4: to be me, So I kind of like have to,
Speaker 4: like when I'm filming, just tell myself, Look, this is
Speaker 4: just who I am and how I'm going to be.
Speaker 4: And if like people don't get it, or if it
Speaker 4: doesn't breathe the right way for the black community or
Speaker 4: the queer community, then you know, I can't help it,
Speaker 4: because I really can't. You know, it is a reality.
Speaker 4: You cannot please everybody, Like somebody always have something to say.
Speaker 4: You're not black, you're you're hanging all the white people
Speaker 4: in the valley, or you're you're gay, Like why are
Speaker 4: you there? It's just so many things worry about. So
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna do me
Speaker 4: and I think I have Melissa. She's very good at
Speaker 4: supporting me through it. But yeah, she's just honestly, she
Speaker 4: doesn't truly care to be on the show. She's just like,
Speaker 4: I just want to be there for you. I'm like,
Speaker 4: thank you. I love doing this.
Speaker 1: Sweet that's very sweat I first of all, I think
Speaker 1: you do such an incredible job bringing something different to
Speaker 1: the valley. I think when I first heard about it,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect, but you and Melissa
Speaker 1: bring something that is so beautiful and wonderful. But what
Speaker 1: is that like? Going from The Bachelor, which is about
Speaker 1: dating and you're kind of in these fantasy situations and
Speaker 1: now it's your real life. How has that been the transition?
Speaker 4: It is so different. Like people always say, like, well,
Speaker 4: you're on the Bachelor, You're on TV. I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: like I was on a dating show. Like you talk
Speaker 4: about your feelings, like I remember sitting actually being in
Speaker 4: Saint Thomas or Afraid where we were. It was with
Speaker 4: Vanessa and Danielle Malfie, and we were laying in the
Speaker 4: bed sleeping and Vanessa's like, I think I'm in love
Speaker 4: with Nick, and then Daniels, I think I'm in love
Speaker 4: with Nick too, And I just didn't have to say
Speaker 4: because I was just like, you know, so I'm like,
Speaker 4: you're just competing kind of low key, but at the
Speaker 4: same time, all you're doing is talking about your feelings,
Speaker 4: like you're not talking about anything else. I don't think
Speaker 4: anybody asked me about my life, asking about like the
Speaker 4: only thing that I knew I was actually dating a woman.
Speaker 4: Dating woman was like Jamie, Danielle, Dilo, and Raven, Like
Speaker 4: no one else was like asking me deeper questions because
Speaker 4: all we did was talk about Nick and love. So
Speaker 4: coming off the Bachelor, going into or like, oh, like
Speaker 4: every day situation where they're filming you nine to five,
Speaker 4: it's like it's kind of refreshing because it's nice that
Speaker 4: you can like really show who you are, and that
Speaker 4: was something I was really excited about doing the Valleys, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: people can finally see that, like I have a life,
Speaker 4: I'm not just the crazier who's drinking at popping off.
Speaker 4: Actually I'm cool because it's fun. So that's I think
Speaker 4: that's the big difference, is like just showing your real life,
Speaker 4: which I love. Man loved The Bachelor too, but it
Speaker 4: was just like it's too much, you guys know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how was a difference there with like friendships? Like
Speaker 3: is there anybody from your season or just even in
Speaker 3: Bachelor Nation that you're like super close with still And
Speaker 3: how does that differ from like.
Speaker 2: Obviously you're probably with the people in the.
Speaker 3: Valley so much throughout the year, Like how are those
Speaker 3: friendships different?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I am still friends with Braven Gates, de Loo,
Speaker 4: Alexis Waters, Jamie King. Those are like my core from
Speaker 4: the show where they were in my action, my wedding.
Speaker 4: So I think I'll they say like that's the best thing,
Speaker 4: Like thank you, Nicky gave me that. That's okay. No, Yeah,
Speaker 4: having those friendships, I think we're so special because you know,
Speaker 4: when you're going with the Bachelor, like all you're you're
Speaker 4: with them all day. You're with these girls all day
Speaker 4: and you're not with the lead. So for me, it
Speaker 4: was just like this is so special and then you know,
Speaker 4: transitioning coming to the Valley. It is also kind of
Speaker 4: the same because you're with your friends you know, every day,
Speaker 4: but it's a different type of like friendship because here
Speaker 4: it's like I feel like on the Valley, we have
Speaker 4: to have deeper conversations, all drama things that you technical
Speaker 4: maybe don't want to talk about. You got to go there.
Speaker 4: On the Bachelor, at least, it's like we're all talking
Speaker 4: about the one same thing, and it's like no one's fighting.
Speaker 4: I mean you are fighting sometimes, but like you're not
Speaker 4: fighting about like hey, like you know some drama that
Speaker 4: we wo have on the Valley, you would never have
Speaker 4: that on the mat The drama is definitely different.
Speaker 1: I think watching it, just the drama is that hard
Speaker 1: to separate, Like what's happening on the show and where
Speaker 1: that fighting is and then your friendship's in real life
Speaker 1: or is that your real life like when you're actually
Speaker 1: in a fight.
Speaker 4: No, it's real. It's definitely real, and it's so like
Speaker 4: frustrating because for me, I'm the type of person where
Speaker 4: I'm like, there's confrontation, I want to walk away. I
Speaker 4: just want to like leave it. And that was my
Speaker 4: problem with Janet, like I just never wanted to like
Speaker 4: talk about it, and I like let it build up.
Speaker 4: And so when you're doing these types of shows, you
Speaker 4: have to like really talk about it, even if you're
Speaker 4: uncomfortable and it freaking sucks. Like I remember walking into
Speaker 4: that beach scene with Janet when I called her Karen.
Speaker 4: I knew going into that I had to have this
Speaker 4: conversation like the producers like you have to talk to
Speaker 4: you have to Like I'm like, I don't want to
Speaker 4: do this, Like I just don't want to see about it.
Speaker 4: It was so uncomfortable and I'm like, all right, I
Speaker 4: get let's just go like you want jazz and good,
Speaker 4: here we go. Like it was just like that's kind
Speaker 4: of annoying, but it's like, you know, you have to
Speaker 4: do it, so you just kind of have to walk in.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's yeah, so it's just a it's hard
Speaker 4: time sometimes.
Speaker 3: Was there ever like a segue but before the Valley, Like,
Speaker 3: how did you get immersed like within specifically this group
Speaker 3: of people?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so let me think back. Yeah, so I
Speaker 4: after The Bachelor, I moved to la like a lot
Speaker 4: of people do, and I met someone who was like
Speaker 4: dating James Kennedy kind of and then we became roommates.
Speaker 4: And then I met Jesse Montana who was on Vanderpaul Rolls,
Speaker 4: and he's like, hey, we're looking for a host that sir,
Speaker 4: And I was like, I need a job. Started working
Speaker 4: there and that's kind of how I met everybody and
Speaker 4: kind of got met Ariana. We became friends, and then
Speaker 4: I wasn't really good friends to Brittany or Jack's, but
Speaker 4: it was me and she and he became like really
Speaker 4: best friends. And then they were trying to get me
Speaker 4: on the banner Pump and I was like, I'm not
Speaker 4: doing you know, my reality TV. I said, I'm done,
Speaker 4: Like it's over, Like I'm I'm just going to work.
Speaker 4: I'll be friends with all you guys. I'll come in
Speaker 4: the background watch all that. But then like flash for
Speaker 4: a couple of years later, they were talking about making
Speaker 4: The Valley and Janet hit me up and I was like, hey,
Speaker 4: Brittany wants to throw your name in for like the
Speaker 4: interviews who they're looking for another couple and we think
Speaker 4: you and Melissa will be great. And I was like,
Speaker 4: you know what, maybe this could work. I said, if
Speaker 4: I do anything else reality wise, I want Melissa to
Speaker 4: be on board, and I want to make sure like
Speaker 4: we're showing like my ro authentic self, like I don't
Speaker 4: want to do a game show anything like that, and
Speaker 4: so it kind of like aligned. But then like a
Speaker 4: whole year went by and they were like, we're not
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't hear anything. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's not happening. And then Melissa went on to do
Speaker 4: squid Games and then you know, then oh thank god,
Speaker 4: she still got to do the Valley a little bit.
Speaker 4: I was nervous that, you know, her doing that with
Speaker 4: the contracts that she wasn't going to be able to,
Speaker 4: but they let her do it, and I was like, yay,
Speaker 4: thank god, so it all worked out. Yeah, that's kind
Speaker 4: of I got it. She all roads lead back to Shina.
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm died.
Speaker 2: I know. I'm like class literally did something.
Speaker 4: He's iconic.
Speaker 1: I did not realize that you were working at SIR.
Speaker 1: I feel like you lived so many different lives.
Speaker 2: I it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I'm going to write a book. I swear you need to.
Speaker 2: Write a book.
Speaker 1: Were you working at SIR when you were on Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise?
Speaker 4: No, I got the drop after but I knew everybody
Speaker 4: at that time because I remember like meeting Faith and
Speaker 4: La La and like and there was like drama going
Speaker 4: on with Faith and I think Jackson think you're like
Speaker 4: something going on there. But yeah, so I knew everybody
Speaker 4: at the time. I didn't say until right after I know,
Speaker 4: and that's probably why they wanted me. I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not joining the show, okay, I'm not just jumping into.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you were like the bone Carrier, you knew
Speaker 3: everything that was going on being opposed.
Speaker 4: You to stand there so you get to see ever that's happening,
Speaker 4: Like Christ coming in not even working. Chris busted through
Speaker 4: the door about the fight with James, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: what is happening here? Like it was like crazy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is yeah, Yeah, this is crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. What has it been like criticism wise?
Speaker 1: Because I think when we put ourselves in this situation,
Speaker 1: we do open ourselves up to people talking about us.
Speaker 1: Has it been harder with your other shows or with
Speaker 1: The Valley?
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, I think The Valley is crazy. The fans
Speaker 4: are just like insane. Brabo fans are really like yeah,
Speaker 4: next level. They are so invested. I think with the
Speaker 4: Bachelor fans. I mean they are too, they were just different. Laugh. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they were just a little different. The fans were I
Speaker 4: think here since they are like digging into your life
Speaker 4: and they see more of you and like you kind
Speaker 4: of like have just there's more opportunity sy like mess up,
Speaker 4: not mess up, but like you know, do something stupid.
Speaker 4: People are like, oh my god, but I'm the Bachelor.
Speaker 4: I just felt like it was more a little sweeter,
Speaker 4: so people were maybe a little like nicer things than
Speaker 4: I think ABC fans are, yeah, a little more conservative,
Speaker 4: so like I don't know, but Bravo fans they just
Speaker 4: they'll tell you straight to you you don't care.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: It was like, it's definitely because they have so much
Speaker 3: more like information about your life. So it's like they're
Speaker 3: more that people see about you. They can like you know,
Speaker 3: you know, come up with.
Speaker 2: These theories and nearness.
Speaker 3: And then I think with like Bachelor people, it's like
Speaker 3: they only see one side of you, so it's like
Speaker 3: they put you in this box and then it's like
Speaker 3: you kind.
Speaker 2: Of have to stay in that box in box since yeah.
Speaker 4: Get out of that box. It's like what happened to you.
Speaker 4: You were this this person. Yeah, and you know my scene.
Speaker 4: That's crazy. I mean I just, oh, man, I like
Speaker 4: Karenn on my season. Lord oh you.
Speaker 2: Did have Karenn. Oh my god, no, y'all season's true.
Speaker 4: It was pretty insane.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: What was like a crazy moment from next season that
Speaker 1: you remember that the public hasn't.
Speaker 4: Seen crazy moment? I mean, this is crazy, I think
Speaker 4: for people who are on the show. But we me
Speaker 4: and Raven, we snuck out anew or Leans with Louis.
Speaker 2: With Louie.
Speaker 4: Yes, we snuck out. We got Begnet's and it was
Speaker 4: like the first day it was like, you know, not leaving.
Speaker 4: It was like, oh my god, we're I know, you're
Speaker 4: like another world. Like that was honestly a crazy moment.
Speaker 4: I mean there's a little things like and I would
Speaker 4: always try to read a book underneath, like laundry because
Speaker 4: you couldn't read anywhere, Like where's jasman like reading underneath
Speaker 4: like a pile.
Speaker 1: Of like clothes smuggled in literature.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you can't read, you can't do anything. I
Speaker 4: don't know. Our season was just not like we were allowed.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys were allowed to, like
Speaker 4: had a free range to drink. I think they changed
Speaker 4: it up in my season they had change it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we would drinking like ten in the morning. I remember
Speaker 4: drinking like making mimosas or mohitos at ten in the morning.
Speaker 4: Vanessa and Taylor were fighting making breakfast and I was
Speaker 4: just like, what is happening? Like this is It was
Speaker 4: so iconic to me and I'm like this is great
Speaker 4: because I didn't really care. I just loved there for
Speaker 4: like a vacation. I was like, I'm.
Speaker 5: It was so locked in that you like, I love
Speaker 5: it and I'm like, girl, no, yeah, I truly was.
Speaker 4: There's so many crazy things. I don't know. I'm trying
Speaker 4: to think of anymore.
Speaker 1: Is there anything for Paradise?
Speaker 2: Right? I was like, how was paradise?
Speaker 4: I mean my paradise. I think broke the internet, So
Speaker 4: I got it. That was a crazy paradise, okay, because
Speaker 4: we had to you know, come back start again. It
Speaker 4: was like yeah, and half crazy things you guys didn't see.
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys kind of saw everything that's insane.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you've been on the two probably most like
Speaker 3: icnic craziest seasons.
Speaker 2: It was so regular season, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just like nuts to think that, like
Speaker 4: how we you know, we were all so excited. We
Speaker 4: got there great, and then like literally within twenty four
Speaker 4: hours was like okay, shut down, what is happening? It
Speaker 4: was that it wasn't even forty eight because like we
Speaker 4: we come to like three two three days and then
Speaker 4: it just like I was like, what is going on? Well,
Speaker 4: other things? I'm trying to think anything crazy?
Speaker 3: Sorry, guys, No, you're good.
Speaker 2: On the edge of my seat more.
Speaker 4: I mean, nothing like crazy truly like happened. I mean
Speaker 4: just the stuff you guys seen. Nothing to think.
Speaker 3: You have any regrets, Like, is there anything that you
Speaker 3: wish that you did differently on the Bachelor?
Speaker 2: Be here nice.
Speaker 3: That maybe would have Like I don't know because obviously
Speaker 3: I'm like every choice carves.
Speaker 2: A different lane, you know, path for you.
Speaker 3: So is there anything you're like, I should have done
Speaker 3: that or I should have done that.
Speaker 4: I think I wish that I would have did more
Speaker 4: on ground When I wanted to leave. There was a
Speaker 4: moment in sat Tom before I got like kicked off
Speaker 4: that night I wanted to leave. I was ready to go.
Speaker 4: We were on this cataran with Nick, and he was
Speaker 4: like giving me the total ick and he like it
Speaker 4: was he was doing something with his legs. He was
Speaker 4: like it was really gross and I was just like
Speaker 4: this is not yet. I was ready to get out,
Speaker 4: and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, what was happening with the legs.
Speaker 4: He was like opening up legs like thinking he was
Speaker 4: kind of funny, and it wasn't funny. And I was
Speaker 4: just maybe because I was just so checked out of
Speaker 4: like this is gross and like you need to close
Speaker 4: your legs since nobody wants to see that. I just
Speaker 4: wish in my heart, I just you know, had more
Speaker 4: of the ball, like no, I'm out. But I think
Speaker 4: that's like one regret. But besides, I don't think I
Speaker 4: regret anything else. Maybe not drinking too much, but I
Speaker 4: was like twenty days I reading here. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that's about that I regret. Yeah. I think
Speaker 4: everything else was kind of like fun. So yeah, just
Speaker 4: standing on business, I wish I did that more.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, you're standing on business, yes.
Speaker 2: So absolutely.
Speaker 1: And I have to ask about the Valley. You guys
Speaker 1: just wrapped season is it three?
Speaker 4: Yep? Season three? We just shot the reunion like a
Speaker 4: week after my wedding. It was insane, that's right.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: From your wedding straight to the reunion.
Speaker 2: What was that like?
Speaker 4: It was tough because I was just on this cloud nine.
Speaker 4: I was so high, so happy, Like I truly was
Speaker 4: like I walked into Dree and like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: this is so fun, and I'm like, wait, no, I
Speaker 4: have to like lock in, like what we have to
Speaker 4: fight today, Like I don't want to do this. And
Speaker 4: even at the three un I was just still so happy.
Speaker 4: So when I was like making moments and points, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I think I could have been a little harder,
Speaker 4: but I was just like I don't care because I
Speaker 4: was just such on a high still, you know, but
Speaker 4: it was. It was good. You guys are going to
Speaker 4: be very entertained.
Speaker 3: And oh, speaking of a wedding, I want to go
Speaker 3: back and talk about that a little bit more because
Speaker 3: obviously you were on cloud nine.
Speaker 2: M bliss, total happiness.
Speaker 3: How was wedding planning for you and Melissa?
Speaker 4: Oh my wedding planning was amazing. You know a lot
Speaker 4: of people think that it's like and a lot of
Speaker 4: people think that it's like, oh, this scary thing for us.
Speaker 4: We had a wedding planner and she was amazing. I mean,
Speaker 4: thank god for her because I wouldn't remember anything that's
Speaker 4: such adhd but for us, so it's good. I loved
Speaker 4: like going to the venue. I love like, you know,
Speaker 4: picking out the flowers, seeing what it's going to look like.
Speaker 4: I think every meeting we had, the tasting from the food,
Speaker 4: everything was just so exciting. I Mean there's moments that
Speaker 4: is stressful when it comes down to little details like
Speaker 4: I was making match books and staying up late and
Speaker 4: doing like the menus things like that is hard, but
Speaker 4: I think you just have to like really go into
Speaker 4: like knowing that you have one day, this is it,
Speaker 4: enjoy these moments, like don't rush it and try to
Speaker 4: just take every second of that in even if it's
Speaker 4: stressful because it goes by so quick. Yeah, what plan
Speaker 4: was great? I love it, I.
Speaker 1: Know, and it looked beautiful. The pictures were stunning. Was
Speaker 1: there anything going into the planning that you guys intentionally
Speaker 1: left out because it was maybe a little bit more traditional.
Speaker 4: So Melissa's get these really kind of traditional with like
Speaker 4: their weddings thing, so we kind of kept mostly everything
Speaker 4: like the same, like we did, you know, well, we
Speaker 4: didn't get married in a church. That was one thing,
Speaker 4: but we did everything else was kind of like the
Speaker 4: same ceremony, cock toil hour speeches. Nothing that we left
Speaker 4: out was mostly Yeah, we kind of did everything like
Speaker 4: the traditional way. I think anything we added that was cute.
Speaker 2: Guys do a bouquet toss?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, we didn't do that. Why I wanted
Speaker 4: my boquet? Okay, I wonder that I'm not getting it
Speaker 4: to somebody else. Didn't the garter thing. We did do
Speaker 4: the first dance, both of us with our fathers. My
Speaker 4: mother read like I wanted to incorporate my mother somehow
Speaker 4: because I feel like the mom's always kind of like
Speaker 4: left out. So it had her like lead a prayer,
Speaker 4: you know, during the ceremony, which was nice. So yeah,
Speaker 4: we kind of kept everything the same, but no garter,
Speaker 4: no bouquet. We did do DCT.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, did you guys, did you guys
Speaker 3: do it?
Speaker 4: Of course we weren't, a bunch of the girls couldn't
Speaker 4: make it. And then my one was like, let's just
Speaker 4: play the song. We'll vibe out. And then my one
Speaker 4: friend Jessica did a hair flip and we're like, oh, crap,
Speaker 4: you gotta do a.
Speaker 2: Full hours time ago. Yeah, here you go.
Speaker 4: Yes you did that. That was really sweet.
Speaker 1: Speaking of DCC, you had your DCC girls there, you
Speaker 1: had Bachelor and you had Bravo. Who parties the hardest?
Speaker 4: We have to know, Oh, I could say my Bachelor girls. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: I mean yes, like when I think but yeah, they
Speaker 4: were I mean yeah, the Valley girls sometimes I feel
Speaker 4: like they get a little value. They want to be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: if you're watching me, somebody's looking. The Bachelor girls are like,
Speaker 4: let it go.
Speaker 2: Hella, we're tired. Time to let loose. I love that.
Speaker 2: That definitely tracks for us.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, going back to the dance, what is
Speaker 1: the tradition behind doing that at weddings?
Speaker 4: So I don't know where it started, but like ever
Speaker 4: since I was a DCC, when you get married, you
Speaker 4: just do thunderstruck. It's like a thing. I don't know
Speaker 4: who started it who, but it's just like a thunderstruck tradition.
Speaker 4: You're alumni whoever. You just have to do it. So
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, fine and we have to do
Speaker 4: it fine, and I really don't want to.
Speaker 3: Great did you have like did you have two different
Speaker 3: looks or was it just your like main cerre money dress.
Speaker 4: I wore my dress the whole time because I spent
Speaker 4: too much money on it, and I get really bad
Speaker 4: fomo and I felt like I went to go change,
Speaker 4: it would take like another thirty minutes and that would
Speaker 4: miss something like even buffling the dress took like twenty minutes,
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is ridiculous, No, I gotta go. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so it's like I'm just put the dress on and
Speaker 4: yeah a whole night.
Speaker 3: Did you like when you guys were picking out your
Speaker 3: gowns when you were trying them on? Was that the
Speaker 3: dress that like the style essentially? Is that what you
Speaker 3: like had envision yourself to be in, Because I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm obviously in wedding planning and it's like my
Speaker 3: dress is not what I expected it to.
Speaker 2: Oh, in like a good way, but like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 4: Not at all. I one, I did not think I
Speaker 4: was going to like a lace dress. I didn't go
Speaker 4: into it thinking I was gonna have all lace. I
Speaker 4: didn't want like a sweeteart like a Halter. I did
Speaker 4: not want that. I hate that type of dress. But
Speaker 4: for some reason I kept coming back to this one dress,
Speaker 4: and we didn't see each other's dresses, thank god, but
Speaker 4: our parents did so they were let us know to
Speaker 4: make sure they were complimenting each other. But I knew
Speaker 4: in my heart, but I don't want a lace dress,
Speaker 4: but like, why do I love this dress so much?
Speaker 4: I like, I need this dress. So yeah, it was
Speaker 4: definitely not the dress I wanted. I thought I was
Speaker 4: going to go for a whole different look, and then
Speaker 4: afterwards I did have a lot of like wedding dress regret,
Speaker 4: which you might have. I don't know. I see dresses
Speaker 4: now and I'm like ah, but then I remember like
Speaker 4: when yeah, and You're like, no, this is the dress.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's definitely not the one I wanted, but
Speaker 4: I love it now.
Speaker 1: You and Melissa looked literally and your parents made sure
Speaker 1: that you guys were coordinated with dresses. You guys did
Speaker 1: a first look, right, Yeah, what was that?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Her dress for the first time?
Speaker 4: Oh my god. I like had a vision in my
Speaker 4: head like what she was gonna wear because I know
Speaker 4: her style and she like a simple girl, like she's
Speaker 4: probably gonna do something simple. But just seeing her like
Speaker 4: all done up, I was just like blown away. And
Speaker 4: I was trying, like to cry because you told herself
Speaker 4: like don't cry on the first look because we have
Speaker 4: to like go straight into like this ceremony on your makeup.
Speaker 4: But I was just so like overhall watching her. I
Speaker 4: was like I can't believe, like this is my woman,
Speaker 4: like my wife that I'm going to be with rest
Speaker 4: my life. It was just I was blown away. It
Speaker 4: was like the perfect setting. Like just I think I
Speaker 4: turned around too fast, Like there's a video that I like,
Speaker 4: I went around so fast that she wasn't gonna turn
Speaker 4: around yet. And I was like sorry, I was so excited.
Speaker 4: Oh she was so beautiful. I want to go back.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Okay, I am loving all the wedding chat, all the
Speaker 3: valley chat, all the Bachelor. Like we said, you were
Speaker 3: really the queen of reality TV because you've lived so
Speaker 3: many lives. We're going to play a quick game where
Speaker 3: we're basically going to give you this or that. So
Speaker 3: it's going to be the Valley versus the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to choose one. Okay, I will start.
Speaker 3: They're pretty like they're good, Okay, get dumped at a
Speaker 3: Rose ceremony.
Speaker 2: Or get iced out at a valley group dinner.
Speaker 4: Oh I think I'd say ice down the dinner. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 4: like I would rather get on the dinner. Yeah. Getting
Speaker 4: dumped went out of roast set that just yeah, that
Speaker 4: was terrified. No, I could just do my own thing.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay.
Speaker 1: Next one is get sent home night one or be
Speaker 1: the villain of the valley.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think I would rather be the villain. I
Speaker 4: I don't think Givenson home night one is I just
Speaker 4: I always felt I'm like, oh, like I would that
Speaker 4: was my one. I like I could not get one on. No,
Speaker 4: you just can't, And I would rather be the village
Speaker 4: I feels about what I'll just lean into it.
Speaker 3: Right, you lean into it or have a redemption arcist,
Speaker 3: So yeah, you can make up for that.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Cry in a Bachelor im interview or spiral in real
Speaker 3: time at a valley brunch.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I think I'd rather cry in the interview.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Crying an interview is therapeutic to me. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like I just went to therapy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rachel Queen of Tears over here.
Speaker 4: I loved it rather all day.
Speaker 1: Okay, get caught in a love triangle on the Bachelor,
Speaker 1: or be in a full blown friend group feud on
Speaker 1: the Valley.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, well I've been let me see, I
Speaker 4: think I'm there be in the feud. I don't want
Speaker 4: to do a love triangle. Yeah yeah, I did, did
Speaker 4: that on Paradise. Wasn't fun. Stressed me out? Yeah, running
Speaker 4: down the beach screaming at friends, It's just not fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3: Being known as the crier, which we just talked about
Speaker 3: on the Bachelor, or the instigator on the Valley.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think I would rather just the crier, yeah,
Speaker 4: because I'm very emotional anyway, So I'd rather just cry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 4: Why not, because like if you think about being on
Speaker 4: the valley being like you get, it's like one of
Speaker 4: the drama that's going to come from that already, it's
Speaker 4: like the stress. I rather just cry, like it's like
Speaker 4: you said, it's it is very therapeutic anyways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like being the instigator, like you said,
Speaker 3: can lead to like you know, just so labels and just.
Speaker 4: Yeah, more issues.
Speaker 2: There's going to be more crime that fuck exact exactly.
Speaker 1: Would you rather have a dramatic two on one date
Speaker 1: or a screaming match with your friend's husband.
Speaker 4: Oh god, honestly, I want to scream at somebody's husband,
Speaker 4: like I learned.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to scream honestly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right now I'm trying to screw Luke, Danny, all
Speaker 4: of them, like they're all getting the smoke. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I was ready. Keep watching.
Speaker 3: Okay, period sex, I will be tuned in, don't you worry. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's do a few more. Would you rather get engaged
Speaker 3: after eight weeks or be stuck in a never ending
Speaker 3: situationship on the valley?
Speaker 4: Oh god, get engaged? Yeah? Wants me in a situationship,
Speaker 4: especially on the valley, Like the more people could talk
Speaker 4: about you and how like you Amanda, then want you
Speaker 4: or your girl? I have time of that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, no, my gosh, yes, no, all right. Last one.
Speaker 1: Would you rather be heartbroken on national TV or embarrassed
Speaker 1: in your social circle?
Speaker 4: Oh damn.
Speaker 2: It's a tough one, I.
Speaker 4: Know, because it's like embarrassed in your social.
Speaker 1: Circle, embarrassed by your friends in the social circle.
Speaker 4: Damn. See, I think I've probably heartbroken on TV. I
Speaker 4: don't want my friends to really embarrass me, I think
Speaker 4: that was I'm a cancer. Then I'll like think about
Speaker 4: it forever. Yeah, we'll forget it and then I'll start
Speaker 4: treating people. Sarah. So, yeah, I don't want to be embarrassed,
Speaker 4: but I'm sure it's happened. Yeah, not me.
Speaker 2: Both, I'm like, I don't even know if I could
Speaker 2: answer that because I'm like, both of them are like
Speaker 2: really horrible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, broken. People might love you, like, Okay, you're thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, perfect, Okay, you're you're thinking ahead. That's right,
Speaker 2: that's right. Well, thank you Ja so much for joining
Speaker 2: us today. This was so fun.
Speaker 3: You were just a breath of fresh air. We are
Speaker 3: so excited to watch the reunion coming up very soon.
Speaker 3: Where can people follow you on social media?
Speaker 4: Yes, all my socials are Jasmine, Good, Underscore, TikTok, Instagram,
Speaker 4: all the things. Yeah, and stay tuned of some cool
Speaker 4: fun stuff coming up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be tuned in Jasmine. Thank you again, Congratulations
Speaker 1: to you and Melissa, and make sure you rate, review,
Speaker 1: and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and we'll see.
Speaker 2: You guys next time.
Speaker 1: Bye bye