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Speaker 1: Alrighty Fish and Filtered Episode seventy six. I'm here with

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Speaker 1: Eli Sussman, founder of Fish on First, and Hector Rodriguez,

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Speaker 1: who was our draft analyst, draft experts as we say,

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Speaker 1: as we call him in our chat. But we're very

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Speaker 1: excited to have Frankie Pillary, the Martins director of amateur Scouting. Frankie,

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Speaker 1: how are we doing? Very excited to have you on.

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Speaker 2: We're in the home stretch. It's getting fun. Thanks you

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Speaker 2: guys for having me.

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Speaker 1: So you're year two of this job, Frankie, you know

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Speaker 1: you already underwent your first year, you had your first

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Speaker 1: draft class. Just what's it been like in this new

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Speaker 1: role for you with the organization you know, now a year.

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Speaker 3: In, it's been a lot of fun. Peter has been great.

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Speaker 3: The whole new group is fantastic. I think we're headed

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Speaker 3: in the right direction. It's just been a blast. It's

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Speaker 3: you know, anyone who gets into scouting, I think wants

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Speaker 3: to eventually run a draft and see how it would

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Speaker 3: shake out, try some new things, and it's kind of

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Speaker 3: what we've gotten to do here. Like we've been creative

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Speaker 3: and we know that we know the position we're in.

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Speaker 3: We're nowhere the Marlins. We have to make some gosh

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Speaker 3: pun intended already splashes, but we've got to try some things,

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Speaker 3: and we've created an environment to do that. Like, it's

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Speaker 3: been really fun so far.

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Speaker 2: So yeah.

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Speaker 4: So the scouting world is a pretty small world, and

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Speaker 4: not a lot of people go into it thinking that

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Speaker 4: they want to do it.

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Speaker 2: But what made you want to become, you know, a scout?

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Speaker 3: I think I've said this to a few people. It

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Speaker 3: really is the puzzle of it. The fact that people

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Speaker 3: are wrong most of the time when they do it

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Speaker 3: made it.

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Speaker 2: Very attractive to me.

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Speaker 3: It'll drive you a little bit crazy at times, but

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Speaker 3: the fact that you could walk in the door is

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Speaker 3: something I say to my staff all the time. That

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Speaker 3: you're mostly eighty plus percent wrong most of the time.

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Speaker 3: It means that the whole world is not that great

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Speaker 3: at doing this, and that makes it a really, really

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Speaker 3: interesting challenge.

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Speaker 2: I remember thinking.

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Speaker 3: About that from a fairly young age. I think I've

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Speaker 3: told the story of I was a Yankee fan growing up,

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Speaker 3: but when the Yankees started to lose and the dynasty ended,

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Speaker 3: it started.

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Speaker 2: You started to see these.

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Speaker 3: Teams drafting really well and developing from within and making

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Speaker 2: I think that was probably the early inklings of it

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 5: Frankie. Let's take a quick look back at your first

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Speaker 5: full draft classes. Marlin's guy from less than a year ago.

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Speaker 5: As you allude to some of these guys, You're going

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Speaker 5: to be wrong eventually on some of them, but it's

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Speaker 5: a little premature to write anybody off. I just want

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Speaker 5: to get your thoughts on how these players have progressed

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Speaker 5: on the pro side compared to what you may have

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Speaker 5: thought when you selected them.

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Speaker 2: Anybody that you've been.

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Speaker 5: Pleasantly surprised by, or that has shown some sort of

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Speaker 5: new skill or just that louder tools perhaps than you

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Speaker 5: may have thought on draft day last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a number of them. I think there's some

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Speaker 3: fun ones as we go down the list. I think

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Speaker 3: Fenwick Trimble is probably the obvious one that most people

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Speaker 3: are talking about Fenwick hopefully to get him back on

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Speaker 3: the field and ready to role assume. But he's moved

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Speaker 3: really fast. And the reason you take a player like

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Speaker 3: Fenwick Trimble is not because if you thought he was

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Speaker 3: going to move this fast, you probably pick him even quicker.

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Speaker 2: In the draft.

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Speaker 3: You put yourself in a position to exceed expectations is

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Speaker 3: essentially what you're doing with that type of player, A

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Speaker 3: low walk, athletic player with a good frame, a lot

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Speaker 3: of things that we liked. And as soon as he

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Speaker 3: swing decisions improve quite dramatically, quite a bit, and all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden you have a really interesting player. He's

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Speaker 3: the swing decisions are better and still the same contact

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Speaker 2: You go further, like way down the board, Nate Payne.

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Speaker 3: Has been a lot of fun, and that was like

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Speaker 3: an upside high school guy that our scouts were really

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Speaker 2: But stuff's really good now it's ticked up.

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Speaker 3: And if you take guys with good deliveries that throw

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Speaker 4: So in that draft, your first few kicks, you went

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Speaker 4: went in the high school row with Pja Orlando and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been like obviously they've had some struggles for

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Speaker 3: be a longer road at the bat. It's a defense

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Speaker 3: faster and stronger since he got here. He's just going

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Speaker 3: pitching every night. Which is something I say at all

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Speaker 3: these draft guys when I meet him now, is you're

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Speaker 3: You're going to have to go through failure.

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Speaker 2: And it's the reason we took PJ.

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Speaker 3: Orlando and Carter Johnson on top of the fact that

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Speaker 3: we knew they were talented, is they can handle it.

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Speaker 3: Like Pj's gone through the injury stuff, and every time

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Speaker 3: I see him, it's the same look on his face

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Speaker 2: Attitude towards life.

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Speaker 3: And that's what gives me confidence to take upside type plays,

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Speaker 2: Going to be hard.

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Speaker 3: Now it's been exceedingly hard for both of them in

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Speaker 4: Are there any concerns with Moorlando's health concerning that? You know,

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Speaker 4: here's your first round pick and he's had a bunch

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Speaker 3: I genuinely believe it's been a run of bad luck

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Speaker 3: and it's a tough sequence of events. But Pj's body

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Speaker 3: is in a great spot. It's when you draft eighteen

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Speaker 3: nineteen year old players. There's just naturally some not just

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Speaker 3: you know, staying healthy. I think over time he's going

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Speaker 1: Luck with your competitive round. Pick Ada may unfortunately yet

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Speaker 1: to make his debut. He underwent right elbow arthroscopic surgery.

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Speaker 1: Just what's the latest on him? When can we expect

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Speaker 1: him to to make his Marlin's debut or his pro debut?

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Speaker 1: Better set?

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Speaker 3: You know, I'd have to check the timeline on that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know off the top of my head, but

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Speaker 3: he's feeling good. My hope is my hope and understanding

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Speaker 3: this is not that long. But I don't want to

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Speaker 2: But Aiden seems to be right on track for where

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Speaker 2: we hope he would be.

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Speaker 5: Well, Frankie, Ultimately, most of these fans are looking back

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Speaker 5: at the draft class again. They just care about which

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Speaker 5: so as somebody you're not involved in this process. So

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Speaker 5: I was hoping to get somewhat of a candid answer,

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Speaker 5: as best as you can estimate it, which of these

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Speaker 5: guys you think has an opportunity to make it up

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Speaker 5: to the majors first, regardless of what role that it

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Speaker 5: is in, people are kind of anxious to see the

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Speaker 5: returns of this at the big league level, and at

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Speaker 5: this moment, a couple of these guys have tasted double A,

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Speaker 5: nobody beyond that yet. So whether it's it's twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: That's a great question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think we've seen now with minor league

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Speaker 3: But I think we're just being logical, Like we look

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Speaker 3: at the way that Wick has moved through the minor

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Speaker 3: we're him. But obviously this is just a very fun,

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Speaker 3: he's done so far that wouldn't surprise me. But I

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Speaker 3: also think we've seen quick one year trajectory and turn around.

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Speaker 3: It could be a number of these guys on here.

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Speaker 3: We drafted a lot of college players last year. It

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Speaker 3: could be honestly, any any number of them with a

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Speaker 3: dial here and there. Nick Brink has the ability to

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Speaker 3: move fast. I think Aiden May has a chance once

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Speaker 3: he's back on the field to move really really fast.

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Speaker 3: I think Gage Miller if he kicks it into gear

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Speaker 2: They all kind of have that ability.

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Speaker 3: But logically, I think, given what he's done, Fenwick Trimble

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Speaker 3: moving up quickly wouldn't surprise me, just because we believe

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Speaker 2: So listening to.

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Speaker 4: You before and after the twenty twenty four draft process,

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Speaker 4: you had mentioned that you thought that the strength of

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Speaker 4: last year's draft class was college and looking at the

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Speaker 4: board last year, you spent about half of your picks

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Speaker 4: on those college hitters. What do you think is the

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a really interesting group.

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Speaker 3: I do think you know a lot of people have

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Speaker 3: naturally complained about the top of the draft. It's a

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Speaker 3: very common thing that people do. And what I will

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Speaker 3: say with the top of the draft this year is

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Speaker 3: I tend to believe that there's always going to be

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Speaker 3: some good big leaguers up there. You have some bad

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Speaker 3: drafts here in there, but I bet more good big

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Speaker 3: just because it's usually how it works. I just think

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Speaker 3: it's less clear at the top this year. I think

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Speaker 3: there are players that haven't quite separated themselves. Last year,

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Speaker 3: also still think it's a very it goes against popular belief.

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Speaker 1: So the draft is now condensed from three days to

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Speaker 2: For me? No, I I might be in the minority.

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Speaker 3: I love the speed of it on day two. I

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Speaker 4: College baseball has changed a lot in the past couple

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think the evaluation itself doesn't change that much,

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Speaker 3: It's so they're so easily accessible into how much you

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Speaker 2: It could sometimes it's going to feel like you're you're

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Speaker 3: But when it pays off to your point you mentioned

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Speaker 3: So that's something we spend We don't specify specifically to DJUCO,

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Speaker 3: When I talk to another scattered director, they talk to

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Speaker 3: And like everybody, there's a financial component obviously, like some

442
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Speaker 3: people put out a lot bigger number and want a

443
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Speaker 3: lot more money to sign, and some people are more

444
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Speaker 3: in the bowl and that can be fairly telling about

445
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Speaker 3: what they want to do.

446
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Speaker 2: But it has to be the right thing.

447
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Speaker 3: I think both sides really have to turn their key.

448
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Speaker 3: Or you just see situations where players aren't ready. They

449
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Speaker 3: have the talent, but they're not ready emotionally or mentally,

450
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Speaker 3: or just they need a little bit more seasoning.

451
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Speaker 2: But so we try to evaluate that as best we can.

452
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Speaker 2: So you had touched on it a little bit.

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Speaker 4: With all the data and technology that's been integrated into

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Speaker 4: the college baseball world, how much has pitching and hitting

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Speaker 4: labs into D one programs helped you evaluate prospects at

456
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Speaker 4: top programs like the LSU's.

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Speaker 2: Of the world into Floridas and Florida States.

458
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Speaker 3: I think the actual labs and the things they're doing

459
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Speaker 3: on campus it helps because the players are probably more

460
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Speaker 3: ready to make that transition. I think the stuff we're

461
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Speaker 3: going to use ysa we really probably all all teams

462
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Speaker 3: at this point, is we get the TrackMan data kintetracts

463
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Speaker 3: is going in college ballparks slowly but surely. I think

464
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Speaker 3: it's more of the public facing stuff than the stuff

465
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Speaker 3: they're doing internally. But I think we do try to

466
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Speaker 3: learn a lot about what is happening at these college programs.

467
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Speaker 3: What are they doing, what are they what are the

468
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Speaker 3: kids getting exposed to, because that's going to tell us

469
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Speaker 3: a lot about how they react to advancements that are

470
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Speaker 3: in pro ball and stuff that they're going to have

471
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Speaker 3: to work with day to day. But yeah, that the

472
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Speaker 3: actual the actual data that they might be collecting that's

473
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Speaker 3: proprietary at these programs. Sometimes we get it, sometimes we don't,

474
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Speaker 3: you know, we get it in an anecdotal form, but

475
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Speaker 3: we're really looking at the stuff that is, you know,

476
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Speaker 3: more of the track Man and Kindettracts oriented.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, as someone here who covers college Bond, you

478
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Speaker 1: know South Florida and Hector covering the Gators. Just do

479
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Speaker 1: you guys hone in a little bit more in South

480
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Speaker 1: Florida talent?

481
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Speaker 5: No one?

482
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Speaker 4: You know.

483
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Speaker 1: The saying is that high school talent and Florida is

484
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Speaker 1: probably some of the best. Obviously, it's really good everywhere,

485
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Speaker 1: but for some reason everyone says South Florida is the best. Obviously,

486
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Speaker 1: college Bond Florida is really at a high level right

487
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Speaker 1: now with some great teams. Do you guys hone in

488
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Speaker 1: on that a little bit more? Knowing you know the

489
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Speaker 1: market you guys are in here in Miami, and you

490
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Speaker 1: know the quality of teams out there are currently, you know,

491
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Speaker 1: high school and college.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say we hone in on it more.

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Speaker 3: I would say that we have some natural advantages of

494
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Speaker 3: just like we have a lot of people and we're

495
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Speaker 3: naturally there a lot more so, I would bet that

496
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Speaker 3: we have just an advantage that we aren't even really

497
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Speaker 3: necessarily trying to get. But uh, we just look at

498
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Speaker 3: the talent from everywhere to be honest, like I think

499
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Speaker 3: it's yeah, there's probably some organic advantage, but not something

500
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Speaker 3: we are tactically trying to do more than other teams.

501
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Speaker 5: Just a couple more questions for you, Frankie. Peter Bendix

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Speaker 5: obviously president of Baseball Operations. He's heavily involved in every

503
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Speaker 5: aspect of what the organization does. What do you what

504
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Speaker 5: do you do when you disagree with with Peter on something?

505
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Speaker 5: I'm sure he's keeping tabs on throughout the year on

506
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Speaker 5: this draft cycle, but especially when it's time to make selections.

507
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Speaker 5: How much influences does he have in some of these

508
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Speaker 5: player selections compared to how much control do you feel

509
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Speaker 5: that you have and actually making the selects considering that

510
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Speaker 5: you have to collaborate with Peter, and there's just so

511
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Speaker 5: many ways to split hairs between these players.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite topics because Peter is about as

513
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Speaker 3: trusting in me as I could ever really ask for.

514
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Speaker 3: But he is also a great stress tester. And the

515
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Speaker 3: answer to your question is like we end up having

516
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Speaker 3: a fantastic discussion. It's like we bounce ideas back and forth,

517
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Speaker 3: but ultimately he is there to sort of try to

518
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Speaker 3: help me get to an answer. But he is very,

519
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Speaker 3: very trusting, and I think that's what makes a big

520
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Speaker 3: part of what makes him such a great leader for

521
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Speaker 3: us is that he does trust the people that he

522
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Speaker 3: has hired to do the job, and he is an

523
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Speaker 3: outstanding player evaluator himself, probably even better than he gives

524
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Speaker 3: himself credit for. So I have a lot of trust

525
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Speaker 3: in when I bounce an idea off him that he'll

526
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Speaker 3: give me good feedback. But he's really a great partner

527
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Speaker 3: in that draft room and helping making sure that we

528
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Speaker 3: end up on good players, and obviously like very vested

529
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Speaker 3: interest in it. But his level of trust and level

530
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Speaker 3: of feedback is I can't speak more highly about it.

531
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Speaker 5: This topic comes up constantly, the differences between the major

532
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Speaker 5: league drafts and other major sports leagues, especially in the US,

533
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Speaker 5: in terms of the flexibility or lack of flexibility to

534
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 5: trade those picks. See it all the time. NBA draft

535
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 5: just happens and the trades galore, But in baseball you're

536
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Speaker 5: only limited to a very narrow band of picks that

537
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Speaker 5: can even be traded, even if you're interested in doing so.

538
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Speaker 5: Is that something that you advocate for moving forward? Do

539
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Speaker 5: you want the flexibility, whether it is to trade up

540
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Speaker 5: or trade down even in the future, given how a

541
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Speaker 5: process is playing out and the players that are available,

542
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Speaker 5: or do you think that would just add more trouble

543
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Speaker 5: than it's worth to have all those different options in

544
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Speaker 5: order to rearrange things as the draft is going on.

545
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, because obviously have thought about it

546
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Speaker 2: quite a bit.

547
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Speaker 3: Like I think there are obvious pitfalls, which I think

548
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Speaker 3: are you know, the different market sizes everything. There are

549
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Speaker 3: obvious the real pitfalls. I could go either way, Honestly,

550
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Speaker 3: I do think there's I can see the merit and

551
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Speaker 3: I can see the significant downside too. I mean, I'm

552
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm more than happy the way it is now,

553
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Speaker 3: but I can't. I won't deny that it's interesting. You know,

554
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Speaker 3: it is definitely a It's definitely something that pops into

555
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Speaker 3: I think every scouting director has had, especially especially in

556
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Speaker 3: the year where you're going. It's not that clear who

557
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Speaker 3: the top guys are. I wonder, you know what's available

558
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 3: here that you know obviously introduced the lottery. There are

559
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Speaker 3: a lot of different factors to consider.

560
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know.

561
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Speaker 3: It would be a it would be a really interesting discussion.

562
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure where I land.

563
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Speaker 1: What what are you What are your thoughts on the

564
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Speaker 1: draft lottery?

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously it is wonderful. No, No, it's you know,

566
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Speaker 3: literally quite literally, the ball bounces certain ways sometimes and

567
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Speaker 3: you know it's I knew I said it at the time.

568
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Speaker 3: I'll say it again. We're going to get a very

569
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Speaker 3: good player, you know. I trust that our processes will

570
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Speaker 3: get us to a good place. And you know, obviously

571
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Speaker 3: you want to pick you know, well, if we're winning

572
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: every year, you don't want to pick as high as possible.

573
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Speaker 3: But we're in our position. A high pick obviously increases

574
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Speaker 3: your odds of a better player. But I know we're

575
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Speaker 3: going to get to a good spot.

576
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Speaker 4: Just how far in advance did you start to evaluate

577
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Speaker 4: or at least target prospects in future drafts like twenty

578
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Speaker 4: six and twenty seven.

579
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Speaker 3: I'd say that process has very much started at an

580
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Speaker 3: area scout level now, I mean it now. Does it

581
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: really ramp up after the draft? Yes, But we've got

582
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Speaker 3: follows and reports in our system for twenty six and

583
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Speaker 3: twenty sevens And that to me is why is still

584
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: why the area scout ground level scouting is always going

585
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: to be so important. Somebody has to go find these guys,

586
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Speaker 3: and someone has to identify them and start the book

587
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: and then actually know them really well. And that is

588
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: a year as long process. It starts before I really

589
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: know them that well. And that's why the system works

590
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 3: so well, and it's it's why it's one of the

591
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Speaker 3: few things in scouting that hasn't changed dramatically, as you

592
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: do need somebody to go out and identify even though

593
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: there's showcases, even though there's college like, somebody has to

594
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: do it at the beginning, and that's what makes this

595
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: cut so valuable. Yeah, we've got we've got quite a

596
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: few reports on those years already.

597
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Speaker 1: That's right, Well, where we will wrap it up, Frankie,

598
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Speaker 1: we really appreciate your time. Less than a month away

599
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: from the draft. Moretlans well the seventh pick this year,

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Speaker 1: and we'll wrap it up there. From from Hector, from

601
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Speaker 1: Eli myself, Frankie, we'll see guys all in two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Peace out and go fish