Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology
Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, the Shrimp
Speaker 1: episode soul So shrimp have been in the news for
Speaker 1: stupid reasons, but I think we can all agree on
Speaker 1: how cool shrimp are. We've got round trip tickets to
Speaker 1: Chris Stacean Station, and I'm answering all your shrimpy questions.
Speaker 1: What is a shrimp? How big they get? What's up
Speaker 1: with that poop vein? Discover this and more as we
Speaker 1: answer the angel question, Our shrimp just tiny lobsters. Joining
Speaker 1: me today to have a shrimp ly wonderful time is
Speaker 1: friend of the pod and frequent voice on Fake Doctor's
Speaker 1: Real Friends, lead pro gamer d J. Daniel Goodman. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm I'm overjoyed to be here once again.
Speaker 1: You're very lucky because this is this is the week,
Speaker 1: this is the shrimp times. Let's let's get after it.
Speaker 1: The it's it's a special time of year. It's like
Speaker 1: the wait, is it the vernal equinox? It's the shrimple
Speaker 1: shrimp shrimp lee, shrimple equinox. Absolutely a criller pun right there.
Speaker 1: Uh yes, But but we are talking about shrimp today,
Speaker 1: and I thought, Hey, instead of me just yammering about shrimp,
Speaker 1: why don't I ask you guys what you want to
Speaker 1: hear about shrimp? So I did, and I got some
Speaker 1: really awesome questions on Twitter about like, hey, what the
Speaker 1: what the heck going on with shrimp? You know, what
Speaker 1: the heck going on with shrimp? Right? You know, like
Speaker 1: you're where you take up for granted that they're just shrimp,
Speaker 1: but when you think about it, the heck, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a really good question. I am. I am constantly wondering
Speaker 1: what go on with shrimp? What go on with shrimp?
Speaker 1: And why are shrimp? And like that was a lot
Speaker 1: of the theme of a lot of questions. Some of
Speaker 1: them were very specific, but some of them were just like, hey,
Speaker 1: why why why shrimp? Why are shrimp? Uh? Here are
Speaker 1: some of my favorite questions along the theme of what
Speaker 1: is a shrimp? Anyways? So? From Alex is our shrimp
Speaker 1: tiny lobsters? Uh? From the Tiago is am I a shrimp?
Speaker 1: From Mr Borax is is there a difference between a
Speaker 1: shrimp and a prawn? Are crawfish freshwater shrimp and from
Speaker 1: Blake Rogers is Pepe the muppet is often very vocal
Speaker 1: that he is a prawn and not a shrimp. Is
Speaker 1: there truth to this or is he just trying to
Speaker 1: reinvent himself like a college freshman. So I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting because often there are these questions about taxonomy where
Speaker 1: it's like what is a shrimp? And the reason it's
Speaker 1: confusing is not because of you guys. It's because it's confusing.
Speaker 1: It just is like even when you look into sort
Speaker 1: of the like official categorization of shrimp like animals, it
Speaker 1: gets pretty confusing. So generally speaking, there are like I
Speaker 1: would say, four types of animals that fall into the
Speaker 1: realm of like shrimp, like, in my opinion, so there
Speaker 1: are shrimp, prawns, crayfish, and krill. Uh So you've heard
Speaker 1: of all these guys right right down in some way
Speaker 1: shape or in some way or another. Yes, yes, um.
Speaker 1: So you know shrimp like we get that in like
Speaker 1: in our food there, like when we cook them, they're
Speaker 1: those little pink things, but when they're uncooked and alive,
Speaker 1: they can come in many different colors. You know. Prawns
Speaker 1: are another thing that we think of as like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's pretty similar to a shrimp, Like is that a different,
Speaker 1: different thing? Crayfish or another thing that's like, is it
Speaker 1: a shrimp? Is it a lobster? What is that? And
Speaker 1: then krill or teeny tiny things that kind of look
Speaker 1: like shrimp, But what the heck are they? So all
Speaker 1: of these dudes are crustaceans, and with the exception of krill,
Speaker 1: they're also all decapods. So they're all related to crabs
Speaker 1: and lobsters. Okay, what's comforting? Yes, is it? I'm glad
Speaker 1: to know that it's all part of the same family. Yes,
Speaker 1: I you know, sometimes I worry about I don't want
Speaker 1: to offend any any sea creature of any kind and
Speaker 1: just make some sort of assumption about yeah exactly, just
Speaker 1: you know exactly, or the or the deep deep cold
Speaker 1: take But I don't want to. I don't want to
Speaker 1: offend any sort of crustacean or shelled animals of any kinds.
Speaker 1: So it's confident they're all the same family. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be thoughtless and shellfish. I do it
Speaker 1: because I do it because I heard I'm kidding. I'm
Speaker 1: kidding you could in terms of like what what is
Speaker 1: a shrimp. You could define shrimp as anything belonging to
Speaker 1: the infra order kara or true shrimp, if you're being
Speaker 1: really strict about it, but you could also define them
Speaker 1: as anything belonging to corider or dendro branchiata, which is
Speaker 1: the suborder of decapods known as proms um. And so
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a more generous definition of shrimp.
Speaker 1: But then that still leaves out some species commonly called shrimp,
Speaker 1: like boxer shrimp or ghost shrimp, or even mud shrimp. Mud. Yeah, there,
Speaker 1: they are shrimp that often live in muddy flats. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so the most broad definition of shrimp that belongs
Speaker 1: to not only many different species but different orders as well,
Speaker 1: would be any small crustacean that looks shrimp like so
Speaker 1: elongated body, long tails, thin legs, a rostrum. So that's
Speaker 1: that pointing nose like thing out in front of them
Speaker 1: that that looks like a little nose, but it's actually
Speaker 1: not a nose. It's just a point extrusion, eye, stalks
Speaker 1: and antenna. You know, the shrimp look get the shrimp
Speaker 1: drip if you will. Okay, well i'm i'm you know
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's like you always
Speaker 1: see an appendage or some sort of like extra extrusion
Speaker 1: from a creature and you're like, yeah, that could be this,
Speaker 1: but that's me putting my own human centric ideals on
Speaker 1: what these things should be. And it's like, no, that's
Speaker 1: not that. That's for sensing earthquakes. It's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, the cool there's this. I love. There's this
Speaker 1: like joke and the original SpongeBob movie where there's a
Speaker 1: deep sea anglerfish that it's um lure is in the
Speaker 1: shape of like an entire ice cream store and grandmother.
Speaker 1: So I just love I love that kind of like
Speaker 1: thing where it's like, oh, it looks like it looks
Speaker 1: like a human hand, but really what it is is amount.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what would like if if I said, like
Speaker 1: like get the shrimp look like, what would you do? Like?
Speaker 1: What what shoes? If I wanted to get the shrimp
Speaker 1: look well, I mean this again maybe traditional and stereotypical,
Speaker 1: but I would go for a pink a pink color
Speaker 1: would arch I would arch my back, probably stick my
Speaker 1: face out as much as possible, and have my arms
Speaker 1: and fingers kind of out like this just kind of
Speaker 1: like right. I know I'm saying like this, this is
Speaker 1: you know, podcast, a famously video medium, but eagine Danial
Speaker 1: and he's like kind of like he's got his fingers
Speaker 1: out like a bunch of shrimp legs and he's making
Speaker 1: a shrimp face too. It's very convincing, and he's like
Speaker 1: wiggling thank you, and it's like I'm looking at a shrimp.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you. I've been working on my
Speaker 1: improv recently and that thank you. Yeah. So in terms
Speaker 1: of what we get to call he nailed it. In
Speaker 1: terms of what we get to call shrimp, I would say, like,
Speaker 1: I think you're pretty safe to call prawns and most shrimp,
Speaker 1: like crustaceans, shrimp. Nobody's gonna get too mad at you.
Speaker 1: And maybe there's some shrimp purists. I would say krill.
Speaker 1: While they do look a bit like shrimp, they're so
Speaker 1: teeny tiny and I've actually never seen them referred to
Speaker 1: as shrimp, so maybe maybe they don't qualify. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: not allowed. They get turned down by the shrimp bouncer.
Speaker 1: The club. Shrimp and crayfish, in my opinion, are crayfish
Speaker 1: are too large and meaty to really be called shrimp.
Speaker 1: I think they're more similar to lobster. Like on the
Speaker 1: shrimp to lobster spectrum, they fall mainly lobster. So I
Speaker 1: would say like, like, if you're like, hey, prawns and
Speaker 1: shrimp are basically the interchangeable, I'd agree with you. But
Speaker 1: if you're like, oh, our crayfish shrimp, I'd say, no,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel it m hm. And you know,
Speaker 1: but shrimp can be found all over the world, and
Speaker 1: they can live in a variety of environments, from the
Speaker 1: sea to freshwater to mud flats like that mud shrimp
Speaker 1: we just And this relates to another question I got
Speaker 1: from a listener who writes, this is the devil to pay.
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good. Uh, that's a good handle,
Speaker 1: especially especially when it's just like this polite shrimp question.
Speaker 1: Are there shrimp that live by those volcano events at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean? If so, are they all
Speaker 1: see through like most of the weird stuff down there? Also,
Speaker 1: do cave shrimp exist? Are they eyelists like some cavefish?
Speaker 1: I love this question. Um, So indeed, there are deep
Speaker 1: sea vent shrimp, and lots of them, like as we
Speaker 1: know that really in the deep sea. It's this cold,
Speaker 1: harsh environment, but there are these thermal vents from geothermal
Speaker 1: activity below the Earth's surface and they spew this hot water.
Speaker 1: It's a mixture of like gases and water and weird
Speaker 1: minerals and lots of bacteria can grow around them, and
Speaker 1: so a lot of life can be sustained by these things,
Speaker 1: including huge amounts of shrimp. So there is something called
Speaker 1: the bie Bay I'm not sure how you pronounce this.
Speaker 1: It's like either Bebe or bee Bay hydrothermal vent field.
Speaker 1: Or it's also called the Picard vent field. I guess
Speaker 1: where you star trek nerds out there, uh. And they
Speaker 1: are the deepest hydrothermal vents in the world, and they
Speaker 1: are found in the Caribbean near the Cayman Islands. And
Speaker 1: it is absolutely teeming with a strange, relatively newly discovered
Speaker 1: species of ghostly white eyelis shrimp. So there are a
Speaker 1: couple of pictures of it that I have shared with you, Yes,
Speaker 1: And it just looks there's this it looks like there's
Speaker 1: this weird sort of like white coding on this thing.
Speaker 1: The shrimp. That's all shrimp, Like hundreds and hundreds and
Speaker 1: hundreds of shrimp, and it's the second picture down to
Speaker 1: maybe jump ahead as a second picture down more of
Speaker 1: a close up on set. Yeah yeah, yeah, so you
Speaker 1: can see in the second picture you can see more
Speaker 1: of the individual shrimp, but that there are so many
Speaker 1: of them and they're all sustained by these hydrothermal bits.
Speaker 1: These are called Rima Harris and these pale shrimp do
Speaker 1: not have functional eyes. Instead, they have photoreceptive patches on
Speaker 1: their backs that are able to detect the faint glow
Speaker 1: of a deep sea event. So they only need enough
Speaker 1: like photosensory cells to be able to guide themselves towards
Speaker 1: events so that they can feed on the life sustained
Speaker 1: by the event and stay you know, relatively warm compared
Speaker 1: to the cold cruelty of the deep sea. I have
Speaker 1: I have a question about said cold cruelty of the
Speaker 1: deep sea, or rather the the lack there of around
Speaker 1: these events. How hot the events get? Do you know?
Speaker 1: They get extremely hot, so you definitely don't want to
Speaker 1: get up near the boiling points. So most of the
Speaker 1: water in the deep sea is very very cold, so
Speaker 1: around forty degrees fahrenheit to which is two degrees celsius.
Speaker 1: But once you get to one of these events, it
Speaker 1: is from boiling to super boiling, So from around a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty degrees fahrenheit, which is sixty degrees celsius too,
Speaker 1: up to eight hundred and seventy degrees fahrenheit, which is
Speaker 1: around four hundred and sixty degrees celsius. That's really okay,
Speaker 1: that's extrue. That is very hot, very hot. That's you know,
Speaker 1: skull meltingly hot. Wasna I was literally gonna say, melt
Speaker 1: your skin off hot, but you know what you said
Speaker 1: it for me? Yep, yep. So these shrimp do have
Speaker 1: to be careful not to get like right near the
Speaker 1: mouth of the hydrothermal fin or else. They probably turned
Speaker 1: into a kind of tempera situation surrounding the events. They
Speaker 1: basically find an area that's not too hot, not too cold,
Speaker 1: sort of the goldilocks area, and and hover around there
Speaker 1: so they don't get boiled, but they also get nice,
Speaker 1: nice warmth, and they also get a lot of nutrition
Speaker 1: from the life that these events sustain. That's I just
Speaker 1: I'm still blown away. The heat resistance of these tiny
Speaker 1: shrimp is like, that's wild, that's wild. Think skin melting
Speaker 1: off easily like not even not not like you could
Speaker 1: you know, you could handle it for a minute, and
Speaker 1: I was no, we're talking like instant skin melting versus
Speaker 1: these shrimps that are like, oh could we found it? No,
Speaker 1: we can. I mean I think, to be fair, I
Speaker 1: think if these shrimp get towards the area that is
Speaker 1: skin melting, they would they would get boiled in probably
Speaker 1: really tasty kind of just like this, yes exactly, but
Speaker 1: uh they do know where to go, like where to
Speaker 1: hang out um where it's not so boilingly hot and
Speaker 1: that they can survive. And this is the case for
Speaker 1: like there are certainly micro organisms that actually can withstand
Speaker 1: extreme heat, like the bacteria I mentioned, They actually can
Speaker 1: survive that skin meltingly boiling heat of the hydrothermal vents.
Speaker 1: But the invertebrates that hang around these vents would get
Speaker 1: boiled by that. But there they figured out how to
Speaker 1: basically stay in the in between zones, so things like
Speaker 1: YETI crabs and these these eyeless shrimps they make sure
Speaker 1: that they stay within the realm where it's like close
Speaker 1: enough that they can benefit from all the like the
Speaker 1: fauna that these events allowed to grow without getting boiled
Speaker 1: and turned into shrimp scampy that will there you go.
Speaker 1: And the second part of the question is whether caves
Speaker 1: have shrimp, and yes, indeed they do. There are a
Speaker 1: few species of cave shrimps. Among them are the Kentucky
Speaker 1: cave shrimp, which to me sounds like a fast food item.
Speaker 1: Kentucky cave shrimp that's come, that's coming from KFC very soon.
Speaker 1: I guarantee it, I will be in line to get
Speaker 1: my first batchup popcorn Kentucky cave shrimp, Kentucky cave They
Speaker 1: are pale and eyelis just like their deep sea counterparts,
Speaker 1: and they managed to live in caves by feeding off
Speaker 1: the sediment brought into the cave system by groundwater. So yeah,
Speaker 1: shrimp are extremely hardy animals that can really survive some
Speaker 1: extreme conditions, which I think is sometimes it's a little
Speaker 1: bit interesting to think about because it's like shrimp, they're
Speaker 1: so little and delicate, but they can be badasses. M
Speaker 1: I mean, if I've learned anything about animals is that
Speaker 1: they are stronger than us by a country mile or
Speaker 1: an animal or whatever, but like they will outlive us
Speaker 1: in every respect no matter what. Shrimp unionized screwed. We've screwed.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're like ants, but I gotta
Speaker 1: imagine that there's like several hundred or hundred thousand shrimp
Speaker 1: for every human on earth. Yeah, oh yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'd be outnumbered extremely so yeah, including Brian shrimp doomed utterly. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they would take us all were I love the word skeletonized. Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to take a shrimp sized break and then
Speaker 1: we are going to be back with more shrimp questions
Speaker 1: that I will answer. Welcome back, and we are answering
Speaker 1: your shrimp questions. So this was a frequent question. It's
Speaker 1: about It's about those poop veins. This is from Wizard
Speaker 1: Wizard p I on Twitter. Everyone knows about shrimp veins
Speaker 1: and removing them, but do shrimp have real veins little
Speaker 1: shrimp hearts? Where are they hiding them? If so, what
Speaker 1: kind of course strength do these suckers have? Seems like
Speaker 1: they're like muscle. So and then here's another question from
Speaker 1: Zinte Daniel who writes, when you eat shrimp, are you
Speaker 1: eating shrimp poop? Legit? Concern for me. My sister told
Speaker 1: me this once and I've never eaten it, eaten it
Speaker 1: since son I've got got a lot of other requests
Speaker 1: about the poop veins. Um. So, the poop vein, if
Speaker 1: you don't know, is this dark string looking thing that
Speaker 1: runs along the back of the shrimp uh and is
Speaker 1: said to be full of poop. It's not a real vein.
Speaker 1: It is actually the shrimps intestinal tract. Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: how you threw up devil horns for intestinal intestinal track.
Speaker 1: Vein intestinal track, So the black stuff inside of it
Speaker 1: is actually digested food and yes, poop. Uh. Most chefs
Speaker 1: will actually remove the poop vein by cutting along the
Speaker 1: back of the dead shrimp and removing the intestine. So
Speaker 1: in this case, you would not be eating any shrimp
Speaker 1: poop if you do not remove the poop vein. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be eating a little bit of shrimp poop.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a little shrimpoop. I mean, you know. Look,
Speaker 1: but even in that case, it is generally harmless because
Speaker 1: we cook shrimp. So the reason people prefer to remove
Speaker 1: the poop vein other than the yuck factor is that
Speaker 1: some people find it too gritty with the vein in
Speaker 1: because shrimper scavengers, they actually get a lot of sand
Speaker 1: and grit in with their diet. Um. So like you
Speaker 1: chew into shrimp, maybe you're kind of getting a gritty taste,
Speaker 1: Like I don't like the taste of gritty shrimp poop,
Speaker 1: picky picky. But during the cooking process, any bacteria in
Speaker 1: the digestive tract is killed and so it's it's not
Speaker 1: going to hurt you. And how do you know whether
Speaker 1: the shrimp has been d veined? I mean, if you
Speaker 1: see a black vein running along the shrimp back, then
Speaker 1: that's the intestine. It's still the and if you if
Speaker 1: you don't see that the shrimp poop, it's probably poop free.
Speaker 1: So that that is how you know whether you're getting
Speaker 1: shrimp poop or not. In terms of the shrimp core strength,
Speaker 1: we're actually going to talk a little bit more about
Speaker 1: amazing feats of shrimp strength later. Um. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: do have a lot of muscle, but they also do
Speaker 1: have a circulatory system and other little tiny organs that um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to imagine fit inside a little
Speaker 1: little shrimps. So they do have a circulatory system with
Speaker 1: real veins, So they have a tiny heart arteries and
Speaker 1: veins that run along its body and supply it with blood.
Speaker 1: It also has a tiny brain and nervous system. So
Speaker 1: when chef's talk about de veining a shrimp, they're not
Speaker 1: really referring to removing all of its arteries or circulatory system.
Speaker 1: They're they're talking about the poop, the digestive tract, or
Speaker 1: the quote unquote poop vein um. But when you do
Speaker 1: remove the intestine, you actually also remove the posterior aorta
Speaker 1: because those are attached to each other. So you are
Speaker 1: technically removing a vein um. But the reason for it
Speaker 1: is the poop tube. Yes, indeed, the poop tube. I
Speaker 1: love that poop tube given to me spectacular. So you
Speaker 1: want to you want to eat? Do you? What about you, Dane?
Speaker 1: Do you have a preference? Do you eat shrimp? Even?
Speaker 1: I do? Yeah, I do. I do shrimp um. I
Speaker 1: am of the lazier of lazier shrimp consumers who will
Speaker 1: when I go to my local shrimpery, I'm getting the
Speaker 1: easy peel d veined shellless shrimp, so that I just
Speaker 1: I pull them tails off and then cut them in
Speaker 1: half and throw them in the pot. So I'm usually
Speaker 1: not eating the vein. That said, I do love the
Speaker 1: act of like you know, peeling apart and like taking
Speaker 1: and you know, it's doing a little bit of the
Speaker 1: actual gift your hands dirty sort of work. So and
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I do too. It's it's like it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of I feel like kind of an animalistic
Speaker 1: instinct for me. I love like um, sort of like
Speaker 1: cracking into food, which sounds very like a little bit grotesque,
Speaker 1: but it's like from anything from like a pistachio to
Speaker 1: a lobster. I like this like sort of like getting
Speaker 1: in there. I actually don't love shrimp that much in
Speaker 1: terms of food, Like I don't eat it very often often.
Speaker 1: I do like shrimp tempera um. That's like kind of
Speaker 1: my only exception somehow. Like the texture I don't like,
Speaker 1: which is weird because I do can tolerate lobster even
Speaker 1: though it's a fairly simple similar texture. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know it's it's but I do like the I
Speaker 1: like getting in there like with crab or lobster, like
Speaker 1: you know, which is kind of like. Well, on the
Speaker 1: more shrimp questions, so here's one is jumbo shrimp and
Speaker 1: oxy moron. Also, why did trigger and pistol shrimp evolved
Speaker 1: their snapping abilities. This is from Christi Yamagucci, Maine. I
Speaker 1: think you know Christie, of course, of course shout out
Speaker 1: and Crispy Keen, Crispy. And here's another one from Blake Rogers.
Speaker 1: If a pistol shrimp attack the palm of my hand,
Speaker 1: what sort of damage would it do? So these are
Speaker 1: related questions. I'm gonna answer both of them. Yes please.
Speaker 1: So first of all, is jumbo shrimp and oxymoron um No,
Speaker 1: I would say like jumbo shrimp is like everything is relative, right,
Speaker 1: like I can say a large chihuahua or a small whale,
Speaker 1: yes exactly, or like I'm having a minor emergency my
Speaker 1: large chihuahua. It just took a dump the size of
Speaker 1: a small whale, and you know it all, it all
Speaker 1: works out right. I mean to me that that question
Speaker 1: reads like a bad stand up joke from the early
Speaker 1: two thousands or the lake or something. We are roasting
Speaker 1: Christie on this. Well, I mean, he even even he
Speaker 1: knows if I know Christie, he knows that there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of the old there's the little wink and
Speaker 1: nod at this joke right here or at this question
Speaker 1: right here. But like to anybody who can't read between
Speaker 1: the lines. It's like, is it we call we call?
Speaker 1: We call know? Mini Coopers or whatever compact cars are
Speaker 1: they compact? Does it fit in your pocket? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: It's still a compact car. Can I check my make
Speaker 1: up with it? No? Thank you, thank you. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Daniel's calling out Christie. I'm gonna have to have Christie
Speaker 1: on the show to call you out. I guess please.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, have him on. Who he
Speaker 1: would be a great guest, excellent speaker, hilarious person. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. Also a big also a big proponent
Speaker 1: of the Chris Crofton Poetry Hour. Have you read Cris Crofton?
Speaker 1: Have had Cris Crofton? Oh my gosh, what a legend.
Speaker 1: I love that guy, Chris Crofton's Poetry Hour. It's great.
Speaker 1: You can suggest any kind of poetry prompt and he'll
Speaker 1: write a poem for you and it's very good. So
Speaker 1: we need to have him back onto. In terms of
Speaker 1: the serious part of your question, pistol and trigger shrimps.
Speaker 1: So they are a whole family of quick draw shrimp
Speaker 1: who use a mechanism in their claws to snap at
Speaker 1: prey and stun them. So let's talk about the claw mechanism. So, um,
Speaker 1: they have these huge claws that are like over half
Speaker 1: the size of the rest of their body. There's actually
Speaker 1: an image in their uh danial where you can see
Speaker 1: how huge these claws are. It's like it's like hell, God, damn,
Speaker 1: that is a huge claw. What you know, how like
Speaker 1: hell Boy has a big arm exactly like that. It's
Speaker 1: just like that. But yeah, that's a big that's a
Speaker 1: that's big arm. It's like having a machine gun for
Speaker 1: an arm. So and indeed, they can snap these claws
Speaker 1: very quickly and shoot out like a pulse of water
Speaker 1: that can stunt prey. So uh. The top of the
Speaker 1: claw is the only part that basically moves, and it
Speaker 1: has a hidden plunger in it that actually fits into
Speaker 1: a socket at the bottom of the claws, sort of
Speaker 1: like a mortar and pestle uh mechanism. So the top
Speaker 1: part opens up and then with a huge amount of force,
Speaker 1: the muscles snap it back into place and it closes
Speaker 1: over like the water in this mortar uh. And the
Speaker 1: bottom claw with such a huge amount of force that
Speaker 1: it creates a jet stream that can travel over a
Speaker 1: hundred feet a second, which is so fast it creates
Speaker 1: a cavitation bubble that collapses with a lot of force
Speaker 1: and for a fraction of a second. In some species,
Speaker 1: that cavitation bubble can reach eight thousand degrees fahrenheit, which
Speaker 1: is almost as hot as the sun. Yes, it's like
Speaker 1: a time, it's like creating a tiny sun in this
Speaker 1: right near this shrimp claw. But it's such a it's
Speaker 1: so tiny and such a like fraction of a second.
Speaker 1: It doesn't like burn the shrimp or anything around it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just how concentrated that forces. It's just
Speaker 1: to be clear, Just to be clear, audience. You know
Speaker 1: I have been I've been very I've just had my
Speaker 1: mouth open a gate for the past like ten seconds
Speaker 1: staring at Katie just with with the with the mentioned
Speaker 1: of that. There was no drop on the connection or
Speaker 1: anything like that. You didn't lose me there, Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I lost my mind. But like eight thousand degrees
Speaker 1: in the tip of that shrimps claw, all right. I
Speaker 1: mean I was already never going in the ocean again,
Speaker 1: but now I'm definitely never going in the ocean again. Wow.
Speaker 1: That's wow, that's that's a big scary geez. Louise this
Speaker 1: snap also goes in at two d and ten decibels,
Speaker 1: which you know under yeah, underwater, it's not going to
Speaker 1: hurt your ears. But yeah, it's it's technically extremely loud.
Speaker 1: It just happens to not because it's not in air
Speaker 1: and the sound doesn't travel like it doesn't in the air,
Speaker 1: Like it's not going to like cause any deafness, but
Speaker 1: very loud. They use this ridiculously forceful snap, uh to
Speaker 1: that to stun their prey, so that jet stream smacks
Speaker 1: the prey. It's done them. Sometimes it even kills them
Speaker 1: if it's a little little fish. Uh So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's an incredibly powerful Yeah. So some pistol shrimp species
Speaker 1: aren't all about the violence. Uh, they are pretty cute
Speaker 1: and that they can form a symbiotic relations shrimp with
Speaker 1: gobie fish who they share a burrow with and team
Speaker 1: up against danger. So the gobie has better vision than
Speaker 1: the shrimp and can warn the shrimp of threats, and
Speaker 1: the shrimp kind of keeps the gobie as like a
Speaker 1: pet and like we'll touch it with its little antenna
Speaker 1: to maintain trust in their relations shrimp and justice. Nice.
Speaker 1: Uh And in terms of like how did pistol shrimp
Speaker 1: evolve their snapping abilities. So if you look at the
Speaker 1: anatomy of a pistol shrimps claw versus a non snapping shrimp,
Speaker 1: it looks like the muscle tissue evolved to be able
Speaker 1: to pull back the top of the claw further over
Speaker 1: the full crum of the hinge joint, which allows a
Speaker 1: much more powerful snap. Uh. So this seems to indicate
Speaker 1: that selection pressured uh drove for bigger muscle mass so
Speaker 1: like a more powerful like snap, which makes sense, like
Speaker 1: even if you're just like a non pistol shrimp, like
Speaker 1: getting a powerful snap and a quick snap will help
Speaker 1: you catch prey faster and grip onto it with more strength.
Speaker 1: So you can see how that could start to like
Speaker 1: go spin out of control and instead of just being
Speaker 1: about grabbing the prey, having such a powerful snap that
Speaker 1: just the snap itself, you know, stunts the prey with
Speaker 1: the jet stream. So I think it probably was like
Speaker 1: selective rushers for catching the prey by manually grabbing onto it,
Speaker 1: which kind of turned into this thing of like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I snapped and missed the prey, but my snap was
Speaker 1: so powerful it's still stunned the prey. So yeah. And
Speaker 1: in terms of the the last question about these pistol shrimp,
Speaker 1: what would happen if a pistol shrimp attacked the palm
Speaker 1: of your hand? Just blow cold clear through the palmp.
Speaker 1: Now I'm kidding. You wouldn't have a hand. What hand? Now,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Um. So outside of the water,
Speaker 1: if you pick up one and they shrimp, it probably
Speaker 1: couldn't do much um as its pistol uses water bullets.
Speaker 1: So um. I think if you've got your hand hot
Speaker 1: in the clode, probably hurt pretty bad. Inside the water.
Speaker 1: If you put your hand in and it snaps at
Speaker 1: your hand, it hurts a lot. Apparently, I read on
Speaker 1: an aquarium owner's website that they own a pistol shrimp
Speaker 1: as a pet. Apparently people own these things, these little
Speaker 1: tiny weapons on legs as pets, and it, um, she
Speaker 1: got her hand too close, it's snapped at her and
Speaker 1: it hurt real bad, and she cried. I'm not laughing
Speaker 1: at her crying. It's just like, no, no, it's it's silly.
Speaker 1: It's like she I mean, I would expect cry. I mean,
Speaker 1: just with all the information I understand, it's like a
Speaker 1: scale thing, you know what I mean, they're tiny. It's
Speaker 1: it's small, so it's not like it's not like a
Speaker 1: tome to danders. But like I would have been ready
Speaker 1: for you to say. And she screamed so loud it
Speaker 1: broke the heavens apart, right that it just she she
Speaker 1: had like a perfect like hole in the middle of
Speaker 1: her home. Shrimp stigmata. That's fine, that's funny, but yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: it just it doesn't um while like this jet stream
Speaker 1: is very powerful, you know, because the shrimp is relatively small,
Speaker 1: and I think it's just sort of a matter of scale.
Speaker 1: So for a delicate little fish like that, snap is
Speaker 1: going to be lethal, um if or it's gonna stun you,
Speaker 1: Whereas like you know, it's like if you if you
Speaker 1: poke a hand really hard, it hurts, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: destroy your handwheards, if you poke a little goldfish real hard,
Speaker 1: just bordered goldfish and the monster, that's jerk stuff right there,
Speaker 1: that's jerk stuff. Don't poke gold not about that life,
Speaker 1: not about that life. No. Uh. And here's another shrimp question.
Speaker 1: So this is from Hannah Michaels, who we've also had
Speaker 1: on the show. Another friend of this show um, which
Speaker 1: is why do Brian shrimp hatch so easily? And Brian
Speaker 1: shrimp are really really interesting. They are this ancient primitive
Speaker 1: crustacean who really haven't changed since the Triassic Period. So
Speaker 1: have you did you ever get sea monkeys as a
Speaker 1: as a kid? Dandal? You know, I did not. I
Speaker 1: was not a sea monkey person. Unfortunately. I had goldfish
Speaker 1: that or I had a couple of fish that I
Speaker 1: was not very good at taking care of um, and
Speaker 1: we decided that we probably shouldn't let me. I was
Speaker 1: just you know what it was. It was the big
Speaker 1: issue was that I was bad at regulating the temperature
Speaker 1: of the tank. It was like there was a specific
Speaker 1: temportunity to hit and I think it was that, like
Speaker 1: my tank was too close to the window, it was
Speaker 1: getting heat it up by the sun. It was like
Speaker 1: it was I was a bad fish owner. I'm just
Speaker 1: I was very bad and I am so sorry to
Speaker 1: those fish. I'm eternally very sorry. They forgive you from
Speaker 1: fish heaven. Probably that's what I needed to hear. The
Speaker 1: like trying to own fish as a kid. It is
Speaker 1: one of the more heartbreaking things because it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to keep fish alive as an adult. But like you,
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, kid, here's a good starter pet um.
Speaker 1: Except it's like an extremely finicky animal that if like
Speaker 1: you give it the wrong temperature or the water pH
Speaker 1: is slightly off, it'll be dead and it'll be your fault.
Speaker 1: Always strange to me how it's like goldfish are a
Speaker 1: starter animal. Exactly, yeah, exactly. I think it's easier to
Speaker 1: like take care of a cat than like a fish.
Speaker 1: I am tempted to agree with you entirely. At least
Speaker 1: the cat is going to tell you explicitly. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're yeah, did you take mack you in the face
Speaker 1: if you're not feeding it right? But yeah, Brian, Shrimp
Speaker 1: a k a. Sea monkeys are these teeny teeny tiny crustaceans.
Speaker 1: You get this little package of what looks like tiny
Speaker 1: like little poppy seeds or something, and you pour them
Speaker 1: in water and boom, you've got a sea monkey civilization. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the classic thing is that it's like on the
Speaker 1: package they look like some kind of like king and
Speaker 1: queen of sea monkey Land. But then when you hatch them,
Speaker 1: their tiny weird, little like like prehistoric looking things with
Speaker 1: a bunch of little wiggly legs. But it is like,
Speaker 1: it is super interesting how this works, Like how do
Speaker 1: you create brine shrimp from these dry, little poppy seed things.
Speaker 1: So these eggs are known as cysts, which is a
Speaker 1: lovely term. I love uh. And so they can remain
Speaker 1: dormant in dry, oxygen free or even freezing conditions for
Speaker 1: over two years and once they're placed in water, they
Speaker 1: can hatch in a couple of hours. So this is
Speaker 1: some some sci fi stuff going on, very sci fi.
Speaker 1: What in the hell? So, typically brine shrimp will lay
Speaker 1: thin shelled eggs that hatch immediately, and this is when
Speaker 1: the mother senses that conditions are optimal for the babies
Speaker 1: to hatch and go along their life cycle. But when
Speaker 1: conditions are rough, like high concentrations of salt or low
Speaker 1: levels of food, the brine shrimp will lay thick shelled cysts,
Speaker 1: which contain a fully developed little larva and is basically
Speaker 1: a holding stasis chamber for the baby. Brin instrim. This
Speaker 1: is this continues to be true like sci fi of
Speaker 1: just like I love nature and that's why I love
Speaker 1: your podcast so much. Like every every episode is is
Speaker 1: like it's like, yeah, the stuff that's like, this is
Speaker 1: only these the tales of legend. It's like, no, these
Speaker 1: are these this is actually most of the animals out
Speaker 1: there in the world. They do the stuff already. It's
Speaker 1: actually not even sci fi. It's just reality for a
Speaker 1: lot of these creatures. It's like, right, like you want
Speaker 1: to see like alien stuff, alien sci fi stuff. You
Speaker 1: just like, like you get a package of sea monkeys,
Speaker 1: open up a book, Open up a book, open up
Speaker 1: a book, open up your mind exactly, you're actually going
Speaker 1: to share a picture of a price. Like they look
Speaker 1: they kind of look like like aliens, like alien aliens
Speaker 1: from the movie Alien. Gorgeous. Wow, look at those things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're like little aliens. And then they can go
Speaker 1: into like alien stasis. I feel like, like, what's his name,
Speaker 1: like hr Geiger, the guy who did the designed for Aliens.
Speaker 1: Like they must have gotten some inspiration from Brian shrimp.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, um so uh. These cysts that contain the
Speaker 1: Brian shrimp larva can become completely dehydrated and the larva
Speaker 1: enter into what's called an hydrobiosis, which is a state
Speaker 1: of suspended animation in the absence of water. And so
Speaker 1: when you get some of these sea monkeys and hatch them.
Speaker 1: You are rehydrating these dehydrated cysts and you are rehydrating
Speaker 1: the larva inside of them, which will then trigger them
Speaker 1: to hatch, and so you will watch them hatch like
Speaker 1: in a couple of hours. Luckily or hopefully, I got
Speaker 1: some brin shrimp wants, and like I tried to hatch them,
Speaker 1: and they just were all dead. I don't think I
Speaker 1: had the right water. I think I just used some
Speaker 1: like tap water or something, or maybe a few I
Speaker 1: think a few of them did hatch, but then they
Speaker 1: die classics um. But yeah, yeah, and then you have
Speaker 1: these little tiny, primordial alien shrimp things. It's really incredible.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that like as kids, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that is messed up that you could do
Speaker 1: that as a kid. It's like like in in you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if like the full like weirdness
Speaker 1: of it occurred to me as a kid, because it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: just get a package of a little poppy seeds, Poorman.
Speaker 1: Then I get a bunch of like weird little animals
Speaker 1: wiggling around. Normal and fine, it's normal and fine, all right,
Speaker 1: So we got more shrimp questions Danial. Yeah, so here
Speaker 1: is a question from Leon the Badger, who asks do
Speaker 1: shrimp have any camouflage abilities? If so, how do they
Speaker 1: use them? And I just have a real quick answer
Speaker 1: to this, which is lots of shrimp can camouflage. And
Speaker 1: there are so many different types of shrimp camouflage, Like
Speaker 1: I don't have time to go through all of them.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do a bigger episode or something where I
Speaker 1: talk more about these in detail. But you have everything
Speaker 1: from like see through shrimp like ghost shrimp or Peterson's
Speaker 1: Cleaner shrimp, who are literally they look like they're made
Speaker 1: out of glass. You can see right through them. Um,
Speaker 1: and so that is a form of camouflage. Uh there
Speaker 1: are some shrimp who use stripes or disruptive coloration to
Speaker 1: blend in with their coral environment. There are just so
Speaker 1: many beautiful shrimp out there to be discovered and in
Speaker 1: so many different types of shrimp. Crips is. So yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely they do use camouflage and it's really interesting and
Speaker 1: gorgeous and sometimes creepy, like the ghost shrimp. And so
Speaker 1: our next question is from Bob Don who asks what
Speaker 1: are the largest and smallest shrimp species? And uh, so this,
Speaker 1: and then another question from Reynard is what is the
Speaker 1: biggest a shrimp could possibly get in modern conditions? Um?
Speaker 1: In terms of the smallest shrimp species, UM, I would
Speaker 1: say probably. I mean Brian shrimp, I think are probably
Speaker 1: the smallest. And you know, Brian shrimp are a little
Speaker 1: bit weird. I don't know, like how because there's such
Speaker 1: an kind of archaic shrimp type thing. Uh. It's again
Speaker 1: one of those weird taxonomy things, like do they really
Speaker 1: count as shrimp? But I would say, because we call
Speaker 1: them shrimp, you know, small shrimp. But in terms of
Speaker 1: the smallest like non Brian shrimp species is the fairy shrimp,
Speaker 1: who uh is a little teeny tiny looks exactly like
Speaker 1: a bigger shrimp, but just little teen tiny and they
Speaker 1: only grow to be about six millimeters long as adults.
Speaker 1: But they're they're also like a whole different there. There
Speaker 1: are a bunch of varieties of species of these shrimps.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so the fairy shrimp, which sounds beautiful and enchanted,
Speaker 1: it sounds beautiful. I know, I want to party with
Speaker 1: a fairy shrimp. Uh so uh, But in terms of
Speaker 1: the biggest shrimp, this gets disconcerting. So the largest types
Speaker 1: of shrimp are mantis shrimp species, which can grow to
Speaker 1: be about four inches long or ten centimeters, which doesn't
Speaker 1: seem too intimidating, but some specimens grow abnormally large, up
Speaker 1: to eighteen inches long or forty eight centimeters. So I
Speaker 1: don't love it. I'm gonna say, like, there's something about
Speaker 1: a big shrimp that I'm not a you know, like
Speaker 1: I'm not like big snail. Like we talked about small
Speaker 1: things or things that are normally small that are actually
Speaker 1: big a couple of weeks ago, and like big snail
Speaker 1: I'm good with, like giant snail. I'm like, yeah, that's key.
Speaker 1: It's somehow a big shrimp. When you scale up a shrimp,
Speaker 1: it scares me. I don't like it. Okay, okay, you
Speaker 1: know uncomfortable. Yeah you hear that. I hear that big
Speaker 1: big shrimp definitely has I mean there's more, like there's
Speaker 1: more wiggliness to it. A huge snail is just like
Speaker 1: moving its slow, sluggish body across the round. It's like
Speaker 1: I feel like I've become a fairy in a garden, right, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: that look at my dog sized snail. We're friends now,
Speaker 1: it's fine. When it's a big shrimp, It's like I
Speaker 1: have been shrunk and put into a hostile ocean where
Speaker 1: I'm going to get eaten by like a shrimp. And
Speaker 1: that's not great. I don't love it. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: while typically they do not grow to be up to
Speaker 1: eighteen inches, they can and that is you know, again,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I love it. I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: like it, especially when you look at I'll have these
Speaker 1: pictures in the show notes and you can look at
Speaker 1: it Danial in the docum. But like when you get
Speaker 1: one of these big, big mantis shrimps, Yeah, they're big, big,
Speaker 1: they were, They're big. I would definitely be I would
Speaker 1: definitely be, um, what's world before here? It would be
Speaker 1: weirded out. If I just saw that thing like crawling
Speaker 1: along the ocean floor next me, I would definitely do
Speaker 1: a jump. I would sprint out of the water. It
Speaker 1: would be like those comics or those cartoons rather where
Speaker 1: like the ghost of image of the person stays, but
Speaker 1: then the person is just off screen already. It's like that.
Speaker 1: That would be me getting out of the water, right.
Speaker 1: I would do that thing where you run so fast
Speaker 1: because you're scared that you run on top of the
Speaker 1: water until you look down and you realize you're on water,
Speaker 1: and then you got back into the water because you
Speaker 1: remembered physics. Yeah, it's it's uh, you know, but so
Speaker 1: so mantis shrimps, it's the whole big group of shrimp.
Speaker 1: They there are many different species of mantis shrimp. They
Speaker 1: can come in beautiful colors, like the peacock mantis, which
Speaker 1: is absolutely divine. Boom oh wow wow right that is
Speaker 1: so so yes, once again stunning from here. If I
Speaker 1: saw it in person, I would leap. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to hold myself. I would not be able to
Speaker 1: just like keep it in. I would definitely be out
Speaker 1: of there super fast. But if someone who was bolder
Speaker 1: than I was able to be like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's okay, look and then lifted it and was able to,
Speaker 1: you know, safely and properly show me this incredibly beautiful creature,
Speaker 1: I would then be able to appreciate it. But I
Speaker 1: know on first look I would it would be flight.
Speaker 1: It would not be fight like an alien is about
Speaker 1: to like crawl into your face holes and take over
Speaker 1: your brain. That is um wow, that's wow, that's beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then but the ones that get really big, like
Speaker 1: the larger species, tend to be less colorful, so like
Speaker 1: they tend to be like gray or black and white.
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, unfortunately there's not like the like huge
Speaker 1: arm sized peacock mantis shrump. I guess I'm not or
Speaker 1: why I'm saying unfortunately, but whatever. Uh So, there are
Speaker 1: actually some more questions about mantis shrimps. So um. Someone
Speaker 1: named Tomorrow asks I want to know everything there is
Speaker 1: to know about mantis shrimps, and Rob Cunningham asks, Rob,
Speaker 1: I read online that the mantis shrimp doesn't actually see
Speaker 1: a bunch of different fancy colors because of the way
Speaker 1: the brain's interpret color. Can you expand on that a bit? Please? Yes,
Speaker 1: I can, thank you. So, mantis shrimp, like their name implies,
Speaker 1: have mantis like blades for their fore limbs, called raptorials,
Speaker 1: so they can attack and stab their prey. I mean
Speaker 1: you play you've played um uh cyro punk some uh
Speaker 1: and like you know you got you got the mantis
Speaker 1: blades in that game where you got things on your arms,
Speaker 1: right exactly, Manta shrimp have these things. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: There are over four d fifty species of mantis shrimp,
Speaker 1: all with different colors and slightly different methods of hunting.
Speaker 1: Some use their fore limbs as clubs, so they have
Speaker 1: sort of these beefy things that they used to just
Speaker 1: like knock out their prey. And some use them like sides,
Speaker 1: so like more like blades. Uh. So it is true
Speaker 1: that they have what are probably the most complex eyes
Speaker 1: of the animal kingdom. So they have eyes that move
Speaker 1: independently of each other and have about fifteen types of
Speaker 1: photoreceptor cells compared with three types of photo receptor cells
Speaker 1: and human eyes. And so the original thought was, like, man,
Speaker 1: these these shrimp must just see like an incredible psychedelic
Speaker 1: rainbow of colors that humans simply cannot see. Um. But
Speaker 1: just because the eyeball itself is very complex, it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're experience of color or or vision is extremely complex,
Speaker 1: because you know, the the bottleneck is going to happen
Speaker 1: in their brains and how their brains process uh these colors.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if this analogy quiet works, So
Speaker 1: please computer people don't get too mad at me, But
Speaker 1: imagine like a really good graphics card and like an
Speaker 1: old computer, like you're still like you may have like
Speaker 1: in the latest r t X five thousand, B seven
Speaker 1: g t A b b q um. But if you
Speaker 1: put that in like right, if you put that in
Speaker 1: like an old computer, like, it's not necessarily going to
Speaker 1: give you, you know, like spectacular graphics like you need.
Speaker 1: You need a great GPO and a great CPU to
Speaker 1: get to get those graphics, which is how I believe
Speaker 1: computers to work. So yeah, that's yep, that's that's you
Speaker 1: nailed it. That's it good, I did computers. So in
Speaker 1: a similar way, the mantis eyes are limited by its
Speaker 1: simple neural structures. So just because it has these amazing
Speaker 1: eyes doesn't mean that the mantis is just enjoying a
Speaker 1: smorgas board of color all the time. The reason the
Speaker 1: mantis shrimp's eyes are so complex is not so it
Speaker 1: can see a bunch of pretty colors, but for processing speed.
Speaker 1: So the mantis is not really interested necessarily in having
Speaker 1: a fun like visual experience. It's all about hunting and survival.
Speaker 1: So when humans see something, we use I would say
Speaker 1: relatively simple photoreceptor set up. I mean relatively is kind
Speaker 1: of doing a lot of work here, because obviously the
Speaker 1: human eye is incredibly complex. Um, but that information is
Speaker 1: processed in our extremely powerful brains, So an extremely powerful
Speaker 1: CPU which calculates the comparative levels of stimulation of our
Speaker 1: three different photoreceptor cells. So basically were we have We
Speaker 1: only have three photoreceptor cells, but we are calculating the
Speaker 1: differentials in terms of their activation in our brains. That
Speaker 1: paints an extremely clear picture of our environment. Um. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like, well, like if you
Speaker 1: have an HDTV there are only three colors of pickle
Speaker 1: pixels on that TV, Like you have red, blue, and
Speaker 1: green pixels. Uh, and you manage to get such complex
Speaker 1: pictures of it because of the relative brightness of these
Speaker 1: pixels that come together to form a very clear, complex
Speaker 1: and sharp image. Similarly, we only have three photoreceptor cells
Speaker 1: in our eyeballs, but we our brain calculates like the
Speaker 1: different levels of activation of these and creates very clear pictures.
Speaker 1: Mantis shrimp, meanwhile, is not really interested in creating a
Speaker 1: super complex picture of its environment. It is optimized for
Speaker 1: speed of recognizing an image, so instead of doing complex
Speaker 1: processing in the brain, it can make immediate assessment of
Speaker 1: color using its broader range of photosensory cells. So, uh,
Speaker 1: it actually may perceive your colors than humans, but it
Speaker 1: can react to them more quickly, which is like if
Speaker 1: your whole thing is like hunting small fish and not
Speaker 1: going to an art museum, being able to quickly respond
Speaker 1: to colors and movement rather than like, you know, having
Speaker 1: this experience of of you know, different colors is much
Speaker 1: more important. So like there's a lot more kind of
Speaker 1: localized processing in the eyeballs happening before it gets to
Speaker 1: the brain, so that it's just gets this like very
Speaker 1: quick boom response, uh, and knows that something is a
Speaker 1: prey item and can snatch it with its creepy side
Speaker 1: claws and ball. Yeah. So like that so like and
Speaker 1: in terms of I think someone also asked, like how
Speaker 1: did how did I feel like finding out like they
Speaker 1: don't see all these colors, Like is it disappointing? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think it's really interesting to see
Speaker 1: sort of like how you can have such incredible complexity
Speaker 1: in an eyeball and what that really means, like what
Speaker 1: what that shrimp's experience is really like it it makes
Speaker 1: us question our assumptions about like the purpose of things,
Speaker 1: Like you see an incredibly complex eyeball, You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this thing must be seeing in like five dimensions. But
Speaker 1: really it's just so that it can very quickly find
Speaker 1: prey snatch it up. Um. But like if you show
Speaker 1: it like a monet or something, it's not going to
Speaker 1: know what what the heck you're doing, Like you know, Um,
Speaker 1: it doesn't understand. It couldn't possibly. Yeah. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like these have been really really cool shrimp questions you guys.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm amazing. I'm amazed really, Like I I can
Speaker 1: just ask you guys, like, hey, what do you want
Speaker 1: to know about shrimp? And your questions are so smart
Speaker 1: and so interesting and like a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: like I had to go on a research hole, down
Speaker 1: a research hole to find all this stuff out. So
Speaker 1: I'm learning as you guys are learning. Isn't that fun
Speaker 1: ning exactly? Yeah, So thank you again for all of
Speaker 1: those those shrimp questions. Um. Before we go, I do
Speaker 1: have a quick listener email I'm very excited to share
Speaker 1: with you guys. UM. So this was sent in uh
Speaker 1: by Andy uh and I think this was we had
Speaker 1: talked about frogs and how they got tormented by birds sometimes. Um,
Speaker 1: and so sent in a video uh and and so
Speaker 1: here's the email, just saying I'm fairly sure ducks normally
Speaker 1: torment frogs, making this an act of ultimate revenge. This
Speaker 1: was sent from my dad's South African dentist, so I
Speaker 1: added lyrics apollo geez, I was in a metal mood.
Speaker 1: Never apologize for welcome. Don't you dare apologize for being
Speaker 1: in a metal mood? Love, love, love your work, Katie
Speaker 1: from Andy, thank you so much for this. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I'll link to I think he's got a music website
Speaker 1: that'll link to in the show notes. But so let me,
Speaker 1: since this is an audio medium, let me describe what's
Speaker 1: happening in the video, which I'll also link in the
Speaker 1: show notes. Um, but there is a frog who's caught
Speaker 1: a duck and its mouth, and then someone is trying
Speaker 1: to rescue the duck from the frog. Uh and pulls
Speaker 1: pulls the duck out of the frog. Actually, I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if this is it's a fairly big frog. Um, so
Speaker 1: I mean to get a duck stuck? I mean, like,
Speaker 1: how small was the duck? Was it a duck link No,
Speaker 1: it's like a norm most size. I'm actually not even
Speaker 1: sure it's some kind of waterfowl. I'm not sure even
Speaker 1: if it's a duck or if it's like a grebe
Speaker 1: or but regardless, uh, it is pretty crazy what happens
Speaker 1: in this In this video, the the person is able
Speaker 1: to get the water bird out of the frog, so
Speaker 1: the bird escapes, the frog is just left kind of disappointed.
Speaker 1: Um so let me let me play this for you. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here is the song that goes along with this
Speaker 1: video of a frog trying to eat a duck or
Speaker 1: I think it might be some other kind of waterfowl.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god, look at that from
Speaker 1: what the frog rock? Hell yeah, perfect, that's perfect. Love it.
Speaker 1: I love it so much. That's so funny. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Andy. This is incredible, incredible, amazing.
Speaker 1: The art high art, truly absolutely high. I love I
Speaker 1: mean you know it. Give me a metal cover of
Speaker 1: just about anything, Give me a metal cover of a
Speaker 1: frog trying to eat a birden and that video was horrifying.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. That frog didn't even want to
Speaker 1: let go. It seems like, no, no, what do you
Speaker 1: think he was going to do? I mean, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, probably drowned the poor thing. Like yeah, that's
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean birds do sometimes like I
Speaker 1: think our ravens will sometimes like poke open frog stomachs
Speaker 1: and just eat like their internal organs and then leave
Speaker 1: them to explode later because they can't like when they
Speaker 1: pull in a big breath of air, they just like
Speaker 1: kind of pop open because there's a big hole in them.
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, I guess turned around this fair play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's it goes. But I think
Speaker 1: what we can all agree on is that it is
Speaker 1: extremely metal and this song is great, so than on
Speaker 1: that one. Well, I think we've done it. So thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining Meat today, Daniels about everything shrimp.
Speaker 1: It is always a pleasure. I am honored to be
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Speaker 1: you anytime. Thank you so much. Well, it is an
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Speaker 1: I have been playing my Instagram lately, but then but
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