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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Lie

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Speaker 1: presented by Coors Light. Right here on giants dot com.

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Speaker 1: John Schult Jeff Eagles with you. The phone number is

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Speaker 1: discuss things with us that way. We'll check out your

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Speaker 1: tweets over the course of the program. A couple of

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Speaker 1: guests coming your way on today's program from Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 1: Our buddy Mike Renner will join us in a couple

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Speaker 1: of minutes to go through NFL Draft stuff. They do

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Speaker 1: a lot of the um analytics, and they do a

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Speaker 1: lot of the grading for the college prospects. See how

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Speaker 1: their take differs from some of the other folks out there.

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Speaker 1: Was a lot of times they have different views. I

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Speaker 1: think it's kind of good to get a different perspective

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Speaker 1: from a Scott's perspective than people that kind of look

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Speaker 1: at every play great things out to look at it

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Speaker 1: from more of an analytical perspective. And then our buddy

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Speaker 1: Eric Hansen from the South Bend Tribune that covers Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame football. We've talked him every year with the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: not quite as many Notre Dame prospects this year, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: but still a number of guys who want to try

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Speaker 1: to get the low down on You just had to

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Speaker 1: put the Notre Dame on with me, didn't you Miami?

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame kind of thing can I ask? Think? I

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Speaker 1: usually always give you Miami. Unfortunately, there are so few

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Speaker 1: Mammy prospects this year that there was nobody to talk

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Speaker 1: to Miami. Well, we'll talk about Notre Dame, even though

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Speaker 1: they don't have many great people coming out of that

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Speaker 1: program this year. So not like last year. You still

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Speaker 1: hold grudges. Huh. Always I can't stand him. How was

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Speaker 1: your weekend? Wonderful weekend, good stuff, good, good basketball, golfing,

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Speaker 1: weather is here by the way, And um, did you

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Speaker 1: hit the course? I did yesterday? Of all Saturday, I

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Speaker 1: had a lot of stuff going on, and yesterday I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I gotta get out there. And it was cold. I

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Speaker 1: mean it was cold degrees. But the big ones coming

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Speaker 1: up April eleven through the fourteenth, the Masters, Are you

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Speaker 1: going down there? No, I'm gonna watch it right on

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Speaker 1: my button, right and just watch it. During the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I got to play basketball Saturday morning outside for the

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Speaker 1: first time this year. It was beautiful Saturday. I mean

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Speaker 1: good time. And uh then yesterday, being the wife, got

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Speaker 1: that was a good time. Tip, what did you see?

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Speaker 1: I was still Captain Marvel. Okay, so you did see that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm very, very excited for the final Avengers movie and

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Speaker 1: this is kind of a lead up to it, so

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Speaker 1: we had to make sure we got this in. Actually

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Speaker 1: texted me yesterday about the final the Avenger movie Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It's coming out. It's the end of the month. Okay, alright,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, but oh, I know what it was. He

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Speaker 1: has by tickets. Oh they're going on pre sale tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: To see that. It was not a word of usually

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Speaker 1: I've relive. See. The problem is that I would usually

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Speaker 1: The problem is that that's draft weekend, so that ain't happening.

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Speaker 1: That's not gonna happen. That didn't happen, It is right,

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Speaker 1: And even if you did, you be in there trying

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Speaker 1: Rinner in a couple of minutes. Until then, why don't

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Speaker 1: we get some of your calls up at two nine four, five,

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Speaker 1: some of your calls. Talk some Giants football talk, some

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Speaker 1: at it not draft Kyler Murray with the first overall pick.

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Speaker 1: This could be just a big smoke screen, of course,

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Speaker 1: know that that well in fin Philly. You're right, and

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Speaker 1: Well you hope so. Um that defense is gonna have

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Speaker 1: football at twelve thirties, So will be us with you

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Speaker 1: on the phones until then. Two one four, five, one, three,

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Speaker 1: us a call. We'll talk some Giants football with you. Um. So, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: due diligence on this stuff. And it's kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: I I read yesterday about there's some Now I'm trying

427
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Speaker 1: to remember who the coach was. I think it might

428
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Speaker 1: have been. Uh, John Harbaugh was like, you know, the

429
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Speaker 1: draft should be earlier. I mean, this thing is just

430
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Speaker 1: just strung out so long. Well ideally, Jeff and I

431
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Speaker 1: think and I was talking to I think I was talking.

432
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Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody up here in the front

433
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Speaker 1: office about this, and I asked him, in your ideal world, right,

434
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Speaker 1: the draft would come before for agency, right, And they

435
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Speaker 1: said absolutely, because you want to draft your players, just

436
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Speaker 1: pick the best guy and then you fill your holes

437
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Speaker 1: in for agency afterwards. That's why the NBA does it,

438
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Speaker 1: but the Players Association will never do that. The players first,

439
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Speaker 1: college guys, you can wait your turn. That is that?

440
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Speaker 1: That that is correct? Exactly? Four or five? One? Three?

441
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Speaker 1: Bennet Manellapin is up next. They've d how you doing.

442
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Speaker 1: I want to run a couple of things by you.

443
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Speaker 1: First off quarterbacks, especially not in the first four picks.

444
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Speaker 1: In my book, the first four picks have to be

445
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Speaker 1: too defensive lineman, an offensive tackle, and a linebacker or

446
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Speaker 1: a cornerback, depending on how you have them rated on

447
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Speaker 1: your big board. Uh. And the last thing I want

448
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Speaker 1: to ask you about, and I'll get off the line

449
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 1: and listen, is I read where ed Oliver had a

450
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Speaker 1: faster time than Chican Chaikwan Barkley. What do what do

451
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Speaker 1: you know about ed Oliver? Ed Oliver? And and thank

452
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Speaker 1: you all for the call. Then I appreciate it, and

453
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Speaker 1: I think you have your positions right, but again I

454
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Speaker 1: would caution you not to marry yourself to positions. It

455
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Speaker 1: depends what players are there. Um. We talked about it

456
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Speaker 1: Oliver on Friday. We did with Trull. By the way,

457
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Speaker 1: if you guys have time go back. We interviewed both

458
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Speaker 1: Dan Orlovski and Charles Davis on Friday's Big Blue Kickoff.

459
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Speaker 1: It was an unbelievable show. Dan did all the quarterbacks,

460
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Speaker 1: Charles at everybody else, and it was really just an

461
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Speaker 1: hour of great draft talks. Makes you go back, check

462
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Speaker 1: out the archive and make sure you check that out. Um.

463
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Speaker 1: But in terms of it, Oliver he's a great athlete.

464
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Speaker 1: I mean he's a guy with one of the best

465
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Speaker 1: first steps in the draft. He plays light at two eighty. Um.

466
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Speaker 1: He's a three technique ideally, and at Houston they played

467
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Speaker 1: him more nose, which I think it was a mistake.

468
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: When he was at it at three technique, he was

469
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Speaker 1: a lot more productive. You know, people want to slap

470
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Speaker 1: the Iron Donald label on him. You know, the Iron

471
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Speaker 1: Donalds don't come along very often, so I think we

472
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Speaker 1: should pump the brakes on that a little bit. But

473
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Speaker 1: he's a real good player. I'm not saying he's gonna

474
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Speaker 1: be the picket six, but I'm sure the Giants are

475
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Speaker 1: gonna do all their due diligence and he'll be in

476
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Speaker 1: the conversation along with all the other Rushias. We talked

477
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Speaker 1: about whether it's Shawn Garry again I'm a little leary of.

478
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Speaker 1: But then you know, obviously, if the Montes sweats Brian Burns,

479
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Ferrell's uh to go to the offensive tackles

480
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Speaker 1: you wanna tell? Or Jonah Williams whatever, he's gonna be

481
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Speaker 1: right in the mix talking about those guys. And frankly,

482
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Speaker 1: there's a shot that he goes off the board of

483
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Speaker 1: FIDA Oakland that would not surprise me, or five to

484
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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, depending if they still with Gerald McCoy. So

485
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Speaker 1: those are the type of things that you have to

486
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Speaker 1: worry about that Oliver, his motor maybe didn't run his

487
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Speaker 1: high this year. You'd have the production he had in

488
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Speaker 1: past years in his final year of college. But he

489
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Speaker 1: is one heck of an athlete even if the numbers

490
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Speaker 1: don't show, and he will run people down. I mean,

491
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Speaker 1: you look at his tape if you had a chance.

492
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Speaker 1: We talked about with Charles Davis and he had mentioned

493
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Speaker 1: that the year before. You look at that tape. He's

494
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Speaker 1: all over the place. This year maybe it was you know,

495
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Speaker 1: trying to play where he wasn't gonna get hurt and

496
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Speaker 1: just kind of but he's he's a special player and

497
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Speaker 1: his draft stock has come up and Charles Davis by

498
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Speaker 1: the Bay compare him to one of your former teammates,

499
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Speaker 1: John Randall. That's right, yeah, And we said, and I

500
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Speaker 1: had mentioned if he has a motor like John Randall.

501
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Speaker 1: He said, Oh, he's got a motor, all right. So

502
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Speaker 1: he's an interesting guy to look at. That definitely will

503
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Speaker 1: be there, will not be there in the top probably

504
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Speaker 1: fifteen picks in the draft. Yeah, Mike, if he's there

505
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Speaker 1: at seventeen, you run to the podium in your hand

506
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Speaker 1: in the card. I can't imagine he's dropping there four

507
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Speaker 1: or five, one, three, Jimmy, and rose Hill is up

508
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Speaker 1: next to Jimmy. Yes, uh, just one question, but one

509
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Speaker 1: comment first, as far as the draft is concerned, someone said,

510
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Speaker 1: early your two edges, and maybe they're either a tackle

511
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Speaker 1: or a corner, And I agree. The guy I think

512
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Speaker 1: if the Giants are really really serious and finding a

513
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Speaker 1: guy that could potentially be a dynamite pass Russian, I

514
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Speaker 1: think it's Burns. I think that guy is. I think

515
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Speaker 1: he's just got the makings of being, you know, a superstar. Jimmy.

516
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Speaker 1: You know what, Jimmy and I agree with Barns and

517
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Speaker 1: Ferrell and then either you know, a guy like the

518
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Speaker 1: right tackle out of West Virginia might be there. The

519
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Speaker 1: guys at the draft networks, I've done some mocks on that,

520
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Speaker 1: and the kid rise in the making be there at

521
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Speaker 1: thirty seven. So if they can get two edges and

522
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Speaker 1: a right tackle or two edges and a good cornerback,

523
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Speaker 1: I think we're good. Yeah. I think that's fair. The

524
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Speaker 1: thing about Burns is that I wonder if you can

525
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Speaker 1: roll the dice and hope he's still sitting there at seventeen.

526
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think you will be. I

527
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Speaker 1: don't think he will be, but I believe go for

528
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Speaker 1: him at six. But that's just me. That's just me.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question though about the draft?

530
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Speaker 1: And John you would I think he would actually posted

531
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Speaker 1: something on this but on Twitter or whatever. But how

532
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: deep is this draft? I know the guys you had

533
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Speaker 1: during that, you know, when you had a lot of

534
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: your draft experts during the combine, they said it might

535
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Speaker 1: only be fifteen to maybe seventeen really first round grades.

536
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Speaker 1: But after that, I mean, you know, when you go

537
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Speaker 1: into four and into rounds five, Um, how deep is

538
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Speaker 1: that draft? And and depending upon how the Giants view

539
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Speaker 1: that depth or lack of what that influenced what they

540
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Speaker 1: may do with all of these picks, you know, in

541
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Speaker 1: four and in five, and tends to try and to

542
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Speaker 1: package them to get out of there and either for

543
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: next year or to try to move up into this year. Jimmy,

544
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: thanks to the call. And yet sure, sure as heck

545
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Speaker 1: it will influence it. If they think that the players

546
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Speaker 1: that have come around in the fourth round aren't that

547
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Speaker 1: much different than players in the third round, then you

548
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: keep your picks and you make them. If you think

549
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Speaker 1: that there's a huge drop off after pick one hundred,

550
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Speaker 1: for example, and you move your rear end up and

551
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Speaker 1: you go get back into the third round. I've heard

552
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Speaker 1: different people say different things. A couple of the guys

553
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Speaker 1: from the Draft Network where you mentioned, they do a

554
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: great job with their mock draft two online. You know

555
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: they have, Kyle Krabs said after a hundred, he struggled.

556
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: I've heard other people say, you're getting to one or

557
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: one thirty in this draft and you're fine. So I

558
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: think the cut off there is somewhere very end of

559
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Speaker 1: the third round, middle to end of the fourth and

560
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Speaker 1: that's kind of where the cutoff in this draft is

561
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Speaker 1: gonna be. Yeah, I'm I'm in the I would like

562
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Speaker 1: if I have a lot of those picks in the fourth, fifth, sixth,

563
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Speaker 1: seventh rounds, I'm I'm giving them a way to move

564
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Speaker 1: up to try to get into that top hundred and

565
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Speaker 1: maybe fifth, sixth, and seventh. Shore. I wouldn't give away

566
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Speaker 1: fourth rounders just to move just for the sake of

567
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: moving up a few spots every way the fourth rounder,

568
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Speaker 1: if I had to get somebody that I needed to, well,

569
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: that's true. If somebody's sitting there that you love, do

570
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: what you gotta do in the third round, because there

571
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: can be a cliff there where you go from, oh,

572
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: this guy can come in and start to we hope

573
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: he can develop, And sounds like there is a cliff

574
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Speaker 1: and one maybe well maybe it's earlier. I think it

575
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: depends on the team. But I think his comment at

576
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Speaker 1: this fifteen to seventeen two first round grades, I think

577
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: that's probably right. I think that's accurate. And of those

578
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: they are very defensively heavy, one on the offense or defense.

579
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: This year it's a defensively heavy draft early and then,

580
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: like we said, it just kind of dropped off a

581
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Speaker 1: little bit. Perfect. Let's go to Charlie in Portland, Maine.

582
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Speaker 1: We'll squeeze him. Let's go, Charlie May we can bring

583
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Speaker 1: him up. There we go. Thank you, appreciate it, Charlie.

584
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Speaker 1: What's going on? Pal? Hey John, Hey, Jeff, Hey Jeff.

585
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: You must be pretty happy that I'm already. I'm always happy, Charlie.

586
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: That Lex Luthor the putter is retiring because he won't

587
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: be able to catch you. Oh that's right, um leler, Yeah, yeah, good,

588
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: I am. I'm happy for that. Jeff Road had a

589
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: great career. Yeah, because he was behind you in the

590
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: kicking inside the tent, so he won't be able to

591
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: catch you. Now check him off the list, get him

592
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: out right, he's gone. There's nobody else. Jeff, you got it.

593
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: You should be in all of sames. Thank you all right,

594
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: thank you just spluttering him up. Geez, I made the

595
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: ballot this year. That was close enough, right, he did? Yes?

596
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: I did good. That was because I probably wrote them

597
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: a letter and they probably saw that they actually read

598
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: read stuff from you, Charlie kid, Jeff, I don't think

599
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: that's the best move for your Kansas because he's got

600
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: a lot of friends, right bo me, So that's good. Quick,

601
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Speaker 1: I put a pole question out there, John, I saw

602
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: you put a poll question about the Knicks, so I said,

603
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's what that little thing is for.

604
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: So I did a poll question, and the poll question

605
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: was would you have traded O b J? And right

606
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: now is the uh some overwhelmingly about seventy five votes no.

607
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: So I just want to let you guys know that

608
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Speaker 1: from the Giant nation, thank you, buddy. Is that what

609
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: you got for me? How many were for Hey? Look,

610
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: I think this is what's going to happen in the

611
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: draft real quick, real quick. Yeah, we're gonna go defense.

612
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna go offense of the line, and then we're

613
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna trade for Rosen in the second round and get

614
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And then we're gonna trade up and we're

615
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: not gonna They're not gonna pay twelve picks. They're gonna

616
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: end up with about eight. I think that's fair, Thank you, Charlie.

617
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Speaker 1: And and if the Giants walk away with picking the

618
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: best edge rusher at six, the best right tackle at seventeen,

619
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Speaker 1: then they use the second round pick to in a

620
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: potential trade for Josh Rosen. If the Cardinals do that,

621
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: I will sign on the ledger for that. That would

622
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: be pretty successful and where where and you know what

623
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Speaker 1: if you have to give up a four or five

624
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: in addition to that too to get Rosen? Okay, it's fine.

625
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean we keep saying go back to Friday's show

626
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: because Charles Davis and and and Lasky, I mean, they

627
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: hit it out of the park as far as talking well,

628
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: especially the quarterback stuff. I mean, some of the things

629
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: that with that um Dann was saying about Rosen was incredible,

630
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: and so you know he was excited. I actually asked

631
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: him the question, would you trade for Rosen or would

632
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: you take one of the guys in the draft this year?

633
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: He said, and there's no question in my mind I

634
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: would trade for Rosen. And he really does like Murray.

635
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to our next guest. He's Eric Hanson.

636
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: He covers nore Dame football for the South Bend Tribute.

637
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Speaker 1: And Eric, I think this is year four or five

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Speaker 1: that you've joined us on Big Blue Kickoff Live. How

639
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Speaker 1: are you today? Man? I'm doing great and honor to

640
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: be a part of what is turning into something annual,

641
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: I guess absolutely. And we have a great time having

642
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: yon and usually I get a little excite I can

643
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: ask you a bunch of offensive line prospects, but this

644
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: year Notre Dame's not sending in the offensive lineman to

645
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: the pros. What happened to the pipeline eric? Well there, well,

646
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: there maybe one or two. I mean Alex Barres got

647
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: hurt in the middle of the year if you remember,

648
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: and I would say he probably would have been a

649
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: higher draft pick, maybe second round or third round. Because

650
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: of his two torn knee ligaments. That's going to drop

651
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: him a little bit. But he's a pretty good prospect.

652
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: And then their center was not invited to the combine

653
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: Sam Muster for but I think he's gonna make somebody's

654
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: roster as an undrafted free agent. But there's a lot

655
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: of good ones still on campus, and that's that's a

656
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: good thing for Notre Dame. They don't want to send

657
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: them all to the NFL. Absolutely not. I think your

658
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: top prospect, and I know some people might disagree, is

659
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Jerry Tillery. I watched about four or five games of

660
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: his ERIC this morning in preparation for this, and he

661
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: seems like your classics, super athletic three technique that's gonna

662
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: one gap penetrate get in the backfield and that's really

663
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: the type of player that these NFL defensive coordinators are

664
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: craving to get interior pressure on the quarterback. Yeah, I

665
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: would say he would be the top prospect. I think

666
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: there's some people that will love him because he's six

667
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: ft seven and he moves like somebody that's shorter than

668
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: that just has a really good burst. He played about

669
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: two thirds of the season with a shoulder injury last

670
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: year and that's why he saw maybe his numbers fall

671
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: off a little bit towards the end of the season.

672
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: He had surgery after of the combine. But he's a

673
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: really unique athlete um in just the way he moves,

674
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: you can you can kick him out to end if

675
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: you needed to. He's played nose guards, so he's got

676
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: some uh scheme flexibility. I think the knock on Jerry

677
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: with with people that evaluate the draft is does he

678
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: love football enough? And that's what he's had to try

679
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: to convince teams because he's a guy with a lot

680
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: of interest. He likes to study literature, and he likes

681
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: to go to foreign countries, and he likes a lot

682
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: of things outside of football, which I think most people

683
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: would kind of embrace. But but with it being the NFL,

684
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: you want to make sure that he really has a passion.

685
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: But I think when it comes to draft time, I

686
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: think enough people will be convinced that he's serious about

687
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: his football. Well I'll tell you what, you can go

688
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: play football for a few years and be able to

689
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: pay for a lot of those trips you want to take. Yeah,

690
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: that would be good. I mean, it's it's tougher. I

691
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: think it's going to be for Jerry because of the

692
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: fact that this draft is so heavily when it comes

693
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: to defensive tackles and defensive lineman. So he's you know,

694
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna get pushed down a little bit. But I

695
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: believe that some team's gonna get is gonna find a

696
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: nice player because I've watched him play football. He's he's

697
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe. You know, he's huge. He's almost like

698
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: Chris Canty size. Um, and you know you look at

699
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: him on tape and he's just like, Wow, this thats

700
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: a big, big boy and bust. Like you said, he

701
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: moves a little quicker than he is six seven, But um,

702
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with him. Talk a little bit

703
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: about kind of in your mind, who the next guy

704
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: is you think that either one will surprise some people

705
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: because of his uh the way that he did things

706
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: at the draft or excuse me at the combine or

707
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: who's your guy that you're you're kind of looking at.

708
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: Maybe he's gonna come out in this draft that people

709
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: are gonna be surprised about. Well, I I would think

710
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: the next guy off the board, and I think he's

711
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: gonna play better than maybe what a draft projection is

712
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: is Julian loved the cornerback. Uh Ram kind of slow

713
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: at the combine and ran a little bit faster on

714
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: Pro Day, but you know it's hand time versus electronic time,

715
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: so is it really that much faster? And we kind

716
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: of knew that he would not, you know, tear it

717
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: up with his forty times. But the thing is, the

718
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: guy can flat out play football. He's a true junior

719
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: coming out early. Um. He is about five eleven, about one.

720
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: He was the first team All American, a consensus All American.

721
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: He can play inside, he can play outside, he could

722
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: play safety. He did all those things at Notre Dame

723
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: and when they were playing Clemson in the semi final,

724
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, Clemson went on a big run when he

725
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: was on the sideline with injury. He came back in

726
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: the second half and they had been buried by that point.

727
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: I thought he was Notre dames best overall player last year.

728
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: At the college level, I would have voted him m VP.

729
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: I think he's that good. So I think he'll probably

730
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: get drafted in the second or third round and he'll

731
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: play above that level. Eric, you know what. I watched

732
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: him this morning too, and I thought he was great.

733
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: You know, you guys played man and he he did

734
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: press coverage with Frankly, you don't see a lot of

735
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: kids do anymore at the college level. I saw him

736
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: play his own break on the ball well. And what

737
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: I really liked about him he goes up and tackles.

738
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: He's not shy. I saw him. I saw him beat

739
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: a double team to make a tackle on a screen pass.

740
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: It like the three or four yard line. There are

741
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: just a really, really nice place where he's willing to

742
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: put his little head in there and do some damage

743
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: tackle on a much bigger ball carrier. Yeah, he is

744
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: a real shirt tackler, really good against the run. You know,

745
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: sometimes when you see those high tackle totals for cornerbacks,

746
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: you get a little nervous because you think, well, they're

747
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: just tackling guys that are making catches on him down

748
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: the field. He's he's really got good ball skills. He

749
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: returned a lot of his interceptions for touchdowns. He had

750
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: a lot of fumble recoveries. He's just always around the ball. Uh.

751
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: Really good player and a really good guy. So whoever

752
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: gets him is going to get the whole hacks. I

753
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: really like Julian Love did. Did he play inside a

754
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: lot the games I watched, he was primarily outside. When

755
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: did how often did you see him actually playing there

756
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: in the slot? Probably about a quarter of the time.

757
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: He did not have I mean, he was their best

758
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: inside guy, but they needed him on the outside. But

759
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: against certain teams if they had an elite slot receiver

760
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: and we're kind of average on outside, Like the Northwestern

761
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: game is a game where he played a lot of

762
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: of the nickel, then that was a game. But he

763
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: was certainly Notre Dame's best inside defender. He has that

764
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: skill set. I almost think that that's what some teams

765
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: like him at in the Pro. So if you maybe

766
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: the Northwestern game would be a good one to look

767
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: at if you want to see what his skill set

768
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: looks like they're what about tavan is it? Tavan is

769
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: how you pronounced Tavon Coney tavan Con. Yeah, he's interesting, Um,

770
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean such an great kind of downhill type linebacker.

771
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: I think, you know, ten or fifteen years ago his

772
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: he would be much more coveted. But the way the

773
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: game is played now, he has to cover a lot

774
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: of space. And last year was the first year. A

775
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: big reason why he came back for a senior year

776
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: was to develop that skill set. When he was a junior,

777
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: they took him off the field on third down. Last

778
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: year he stayed on the field and he was okay, Um,

779
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: but you know, it's an area where he has to improve.

780
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: When when Notre Dame had its pro day, Drew Trankle

781
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: was the other inside linebacker for Notre Dame and he's

782
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: a former safety, and and Drew's testing numbers were all

783
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: better than Tavon, and certainly in the drills there was

784
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: a big gap when you looked at those two. I

785
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: think Drew is the definitely the most underrated prospect of

786
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: Notre Dames. Uh So, again, I think teams will love

787
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: Coney if they think he can be a three down linebacker.

788
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: If they think he can be a two down linebacker,

789
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: then I think that pushes him down. Um. But I mean,

790
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: amazing great tackler gets in the backfield, causes havoc. But

791
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I think Drew Tranquill of those two is the more

792
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: complete player for the next level. And you said that

793
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: Drew played safety, would he translate more of to a

794
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: safety in the NFL? Or do you think he'll stay

795
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: at linebacker. I think he'll stay at linebacker. I mean

796
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: he's six thirty four now. He ran four or five

797
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: eight at the combine, which for a linebacker is pretty good.

798
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: I mean, all his testing numbers are really good. You know.

799
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: I think the concern with him is his medicals, and

800
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: it's been a while. He missed two complete seasons. He

801
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: tore each of his a c ls his first two

802
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: years at Notre Dame and then came back played safety

803
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: a year. They moved him to what they call a

804
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: rover his uh in seventeen. He was outstanding there and

805
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: then they moved into inside linebacker in the transitions were

806
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: seamless when he made those positions switches. But I mean

807
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: some of his stats are suppressed because he was so

808
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: good in coverage. People just didn't throw at it um

809
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: so that's why he couldn't see maybe more interceptions or

810
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: so forth, because he just was so good at coverage

811
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: that they looked elsewhere. Were joined by Eric Hanson, covers

812
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: Notre Dame football for the South Bend Tribune. I want

813
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: to go to a guy who I think universally at

814
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: the combine, I'll say Eric really surprised some people. I

815
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: don't think people thought Miles Boykin was gonna show up

816
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis and run the heck out of the place

817
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: and just be dominant all the drolls because people didn't

818
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: think it showed up on tape. Are you surprised that

819
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: he tested as well as he did and if so,

820
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: why or if so, why not? I am surprised, even

821
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: though Brian Kelly, you know, every once in a while,

822
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: would give us a little tidbits of what some he

823
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: did in their testing. I knew he had a really

824
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: good first ten yard burst and and and this was

825
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: his first year as a starter, and he was productive.

826
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: He was notre names leading receiver, but you didn't see

827
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: the separation that you would expect for a guy that

828
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: runs the floor to forty has a forty three and

829
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: a half inch vertical lead, and so it didn't translate

830
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: to his game. So you kind of scratch your head

831
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: and say, why is that? I think some of it

832
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: is he only was a starter for one year, and

833
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: I think optimistically you could say his best football as

834
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: ahead of him, and I guess that's what I want

835
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: to believe. But if I'm an NFL team, I'm a

836
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: little bit hesitant about that. You know, why didn't that

837
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: show up more? He had a quarterback that was extremely

838
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: accurate that could get him the ball. You know, why

839
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: did he have trouble separating against elite corners when he

840
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: played them? And and that would be the question I

841
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: would ask. But I mean, again, this is a really

842
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: good kid. Um. He went from being a part time

843
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: player to Notre Dames leading receiver in one year. But

844
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't draft him high. I would definitely take him,

845
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't take him second or third round. I'd

846
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: see if he was their fourth round or later, and

847
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: then you make it a real bargain. Yeah, I'm with

848
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: you on that one. So switch to running backs here,

849
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: So Dexter Williams talk a little bit about him. Where

850
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: do you think he's going to fall in the draft. Obviously,

851
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: he's not a big running back class this year. Um,

852
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: So where do you see about him coming out this year? Well,

853
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: Dexter is one of the favorite, my favorite players that

854
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: I've ever covered. And this is why he was kind

855
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: of a disappointment for three years, um at trouble staying healthy.

856
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: Just wasn't a very complete running back. Uh And and

857
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: he had some good people in front of him. But um,

858
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: he ended up getting suspended for the first four games

859
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: of this season, and I thought he'd probably pack it

860
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: in and goes somewhere else. And his mom has a

861
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: couple of terminal illnesses, and he found about the second

862
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: terminal illness right about the time he got suspended, and

863
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: he decided that he was going to do, you know,

864
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: turn his life around. She actually came up and moved

865
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: in with him while he was suspended, him with him,

866
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: even went to class some days with him, cooked the meals. Um.

867
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: And he had an amazing senior season. Now as far

868
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: as the pro level, um, you know, Dexter still isn't

869
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: that great well round and back. You know, he's getting

870
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: better at catching the ball, he's getting better at blitz

871
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: pick up and things like that. He can run away

872
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: from people. Even with not a real impressive forty time,

873
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: he was very impressive and all his other testing um,

874
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: and I think part of his forty was he just

875
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: not very good at, you know, getting down in a

876
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: starter's position and then bursting out there. But he he

877
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: runs away from defenses and I like him a lot

878
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: um But again in the pro game, is a versatile enough.

879
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: And I think that's where some people won't love him,

880
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: is that, you know, they look at other guys that are,

881
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, as good at running back as him, and

882
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: they're just better receivers. That's fair, Eric, anybody else said, yeah,

883
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: you think we should really be keeping an eye on

884
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: come draft season, maybe some sleepers, and you've got Mac

885
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: coming out the tight end, a couple of specialists that

886
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: people like. To anyone else and Notre Dame that you

887
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: think we should be keeping our eyes on. Well, Mac

888
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: is an interesting guy because he's you know, he was

889
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: allegedly the best Titan in the country coming out of

890
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: Las Vegas the senior year and never really played like

891
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: that in More Dame. There's a kid that's on the

892
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: team now that I think there's going to be better

893
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: than him cold Comet who also plays baseball. Um, but

894
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: alas A certainly has it in and he had his best,

895
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: most consistent season this year. And yet, you know, like

896
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: a Pro day, you'd see him make a spectacular one

897
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: handed catch and on the next play drop one in

898
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: the end zone that was right in his hands. And

899
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: so if he can solve, you know, if he can

900
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: kind of get out of his own way, he's He's

901
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: a good enough athlete to be a very good NFL player.

902
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: But again, you know, I don't I wouldn't love him

903
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 1: until the late rounds. Then then I think he makes

904
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: sense for some teams. Mike, let me ask you a

905
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: question outside of the just real quickly, outside of the draft.

906
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how long you've been over there with

907
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, but wouldn't we the Giants just had signed

908
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: Golden Tate. I'm just curious what your thought. A lot

909
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: of thoughts are about Golden Team, what we're gonna see

910
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: out of him come to the Giants. I love Golden tape. Um.

911
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean he's a fun guy for you guys, the couple,

912
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: He'll be a lot of fun. Um. I mean he's

913
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: got speed and he's got hands, and he's confident, and

914
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: I think he's a good teammate. Um. You know, he'll

915
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: say and do kind of funny things. And I don't

916
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: know if you remember when he was at Notre Dame.

917
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: He scored on this touchdown and he thought he was

918
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: jumping in the Notre names band and he was jumping

919
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: into Michigan States band and they just kind of part

920
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: of the ways and he ended up on these folding

921
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: chairs and I'll kill himself. And then he had the whole,

922
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: the whole incident with the Maple Bar Donuts in Seattle

923
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: where he kind of accidentally broke into a donut shop

924
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: in his apartment building and and they had to fix that.

925
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: But he's he's a funny kid and he's got the

926
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: personality to survive in New York. I mean, he can

927
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: deal with the scrutiny and the criticism. And I don't

928
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: think he'll get a lot because I think he'll he'll

929
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: do a really good job and be productive. Look at it,

930
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: when you think about who he's kind of replacing, it's

931
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: not fair comparison, but I think he'll do well. I

932
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: have to ask you about the two kickers I got

933
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: Jeff Fiel's here. And if there's two piers on the list,

934
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: I got to ask you about the punk, Tyler Newsome

935
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: and the kicker, Justin un Um. Are these guys NFL prospects?

936
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: Are they drafted? Bore? These is gonna be priority free

937
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: agents for teams. Eric, tell me a little bit about

938
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: these two specialists, say Newsom might be. I think they'll

939
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: both be priority free agents. Tyler Newsom is an amazing kid.

940
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: He was one of their captains. It's hard for a

941
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: punter to be be a captain, and that's what his

942
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: teammates thought to him. He has a great lay. What

943
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't do well is placed the ball. You know

944
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll be on the fifty yard

945
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: line and just punts it into the end zone. I'm

946
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: sure he's trying to get it, but he's not one

947
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: of those guys that can kind of trickle it between

948
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: the five and the goal line. It just hasn't happened

949
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: for him. But in terms of big leg, good athlete

950
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: catches the ball, well, you'd love Tyler Newsome um Justin

951
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: un He's the most accurate kicker in Notre Dame history.

952
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: He's also the leading score in Notre Dame history. He's

953
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: kind of a little guy, very mentally tough. I used

954
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: to play hockey when he was a youngster. Um. The

955
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: knock on Justin is he didn't kick off a lot

956
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: in college. He did towards the end of the season

957
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: because the the designated kickoff guy was having trouble with

958
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: placing the ball. So I mean, if all he's gonna

959
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: do is place kit for you, is that enough in

960
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: the NFL? You know? Um, he again, he's a smaller guy,

961
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: so we'll he get kind of get worn down over

962
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: a season. He had some fatigue and injury issues at

963
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: certain times, and yet whatever Notre Name needed him, he

964
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: was there for big kick. So I like Justin you

965
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: know a lot. I think somebody's gonna sign him and

966
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: he'll probably stick. Eric, great stuff. We really appreciate the

967
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: time today. Best of luck covering spring football and we'll

968
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: catch up with you next year. Sounds great. Thanks for

969
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: having me on. Thanks with us. Eric Hanson does a

970
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: great job covering the Name football for the South Ben

971
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: Tribune and folks. But I like about some of our

972
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: regulars that come on. They'll give you the real deal.

973
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: Like he was critical of some of these guys, but

974
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: in a fair way, so you know, you're getting both

975
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: sides of it, which is why we'd like to have

976
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: some of these guys from these schools on, you know,

977
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: like the guys and they're around him every day. How

978
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: the hell else are we going to find out about

979
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: Texter Williams and his mom? And that's one of stuff.

980
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's great. I just I had

981
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: to throw the golden taker because I figured he knows

982
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more about him than you and I

983
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 1: know about And I have to look up what happened

984
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: with the maple donut shot. Now I hadn't heard about

985
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: that before. Yeah, I know me either. Uh, maybe we

986
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't have brought that up, but who knows. I'm sure

987
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: it's public knowledge. Whatever. I mean, it happened when, I mean,

988
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: what is that ten years ago? And now who cares?

989
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can laugh about it now. Of course,

990
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: next time we see him, why why don't you bring

991
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: it up with him and and see how he reacts. Okay,

992
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: alrighty to a one. We got ten more minutes, folks,

993
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: get on the line, which I take some of your

994
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: calls at two five on three. It's all presented by

995
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: cores Light. Download the cores Light Awards app to an

996
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: amazing Giants prizes. Let's go to Lennon Columbia, Maryland, who

997
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: held on through the interview. Len, we appreciate it. What's up? Uh? Good? Good? Yeah,

998
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: everything's got on, Cheff good. Good to talk to you. Um, John,

999
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna different you just a little bit here. You know.

1000
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: One of the things I like about and it's really

1001
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: a great time of the year draft here, that is

1002
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: when you start talking to these folks on the campuses

1003
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: and um, what what I like about those interviews, and

1004
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: there's been some really some good ones, Um is the

1005
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: positive nature of them. I'm starting to transition and starting

1006
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: to look at these guys in the draft now from

1007
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: a positive standpoint. What can they do for my team.

1008
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm kind of leaving I'm kind of leaving the weaknesses

1009
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: behind and I'm moving forward and I'm starting to think

1010
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: which of these guys can do the most for our team?

1011
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's just where I am in this

1012
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: in this whole thing. John. Um, you to the first

1013
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: caller where you would talk to where you you lady

1014
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: lies numbers out there and you say was it a

1015
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: good year, And I thought it was a good year.

1016
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to see a little better numbers, though, John,

1017
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: I would be game life. I'd like to see forty five.

1018
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: I'd like to see touchdown passes when honestly holding it

1019
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: holding it to ten interceptions, although eleven wasn't very bad,

1020
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: I think his his interception rate was was actually quite

1021
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: low amongst all quarterbacks. Then, honestly, amongst all quarterbacks, I'm

1022
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: fine with most people who are higher than him. Yeah, honestly,

1023
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry. I'm fine with his completion percentage

1024
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: and his yardist totals. I just need twenty five plus touchdowns.

1025
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: If he could add five or six or seven touchdowns,

1026
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: I'd be fine with those numbers. Absolutely. Yeah. And I

1027
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: think he's gonna I think he's gonna push that um easily.

1028
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: I think the first half of the season has got

1029
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: to be, uh, you know where where he does that.

1030
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: And I think it's going to be a lot better

1031
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: this year. I mean last year was like extended spring training.

1032
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: I mean we're going all the way up to game

1033
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: height and changing two or three players a week. So

1034
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a little different scenario,

1035
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: none other things have settled down a little bit. Um,

1036
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: I just can't see us going quarterback at at at six. Uh,

1037
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: you know when you ran through all the all the

1038
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: weaknesses on the team, all the things that we need

1039
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: to cover in this in this draft, and in what's

1040
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: remaining in a free agency, Um, geez, I just can't see.

1041
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: I know it's best player available, but I just can't

1042
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: see quarterback being one of those. You know, let's just

1043
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: just leave it alone. Let's write elie, let's fix those

1044
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: other positions, particularly along the offensive line. The frustrating thing

1045
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: for me, how long have we been talking about this

1046
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: offensive wine. There's only one spot left. There's only one

1047
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: spot left. Land you fix the you'll only right tackle

1048
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: everything else you're good with. Yeah, Well, let me let

1049
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: me say one thing. Some of the things I liked

1050
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: about the Oklahoma guy that you had on and this

1051
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: goes back about three weeks. He was very good. Of course,

1052
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of players there, there's a lot of

1053
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: guys out this year, but he seemed to have a

1054
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: appreciation for the center position in the modern NFL. He did,

1055
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: and and I kind of like that. I kind of

1056
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: like that he kind of spelled it out a little

1057
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: bit as to what he felt he needed and they

1058
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: had and apparently they had a guy there. I can't

1059
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: pull back the name, but there was a guy who

1060
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: they thought, you know, he thought I was going to

1061
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: play well in the NFL. UM. So I think we

1062
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: need you know, we gotta fill that. We got to

1063
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: fill that right tackle spot. But I mean it's just

1064
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, no no if fans and butts about it.

1065
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: But I think quarterback as a priority is down the line.

1066
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: I just I think it is. Let's I mean, let's

1067
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: let's ride this guy um and let's you know, win

1068
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: some games a few more than we did last year. Okay, hey,

1069
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: thanks for Drew. Semia is the guy he's talking about,

1070
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: by the way, who actually played guard in a little

1071
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: tackle Oklahoma. But they think he can move in and

1072
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: play center. But we didn't really play center Marshal Oklahoma.

1073
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: I think they most teams see them more as a

1074
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: as a guard coming out of college. Let's think about this.

1075
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: So going going from free agency moving forward, free agency

1076
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 1: is pretty much over. I mean to the point where

1077
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: the marquee guys, right, the first two waves are over now,

1078
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: and now teams probably aren't going to do much until

1079
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: after the draft, and they'll see who they draft and

1080
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: then they still have holes. Then they'll go back to

1081
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: the fridge, how much money they have left this kind

1082
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: of stuff. Then then we have to start looking at

1083
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: the draft. Okay, are actually looking at your your current

1084
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: roster and who your positions are the right tackle, who

1085
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: your guys are. You gotta believe that the Giants are

1086
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: going to go and get somebody at that right tackle

1087
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: position in this draft because it completes them. It completes

1088
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: it unless there's somehow somebody out there in free agency

1089
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: that they feel good about. But is there a post

1090
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: June one guy? But there aren't really any post you

1091
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: one guys anymore because you can cut them with that

1092
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: designation still like yeah, and then they're available now. So

1093
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: so that just kind of points there there's got to

1094
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: be and I and I tell you, I'd like if

1095
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: they're not going to go with what you said earlier,

1096
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: makes sense to me edge offensive linemen trade, that would

1097
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: be amazing, Okay, I want And we kind of talked

1098
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: about this last week and we got five four minutes left.

1099
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a good time to have a quick

1100
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: discussion about this. Before we say goodbye goodbye. The quarterback situation, okay,

1101
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: and we've been through this a million times. But if

1102
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: there's a guy you believe it is your franchise quarterback,

1103
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't care if you'll be align their contract for

1104
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: your you take them. And Dave Gettleman has said that too.

1105
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: It's the most important. Phil If you think the guy

1106
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: is there, that's great. Just from a value perspective, Jeff,

1107
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you an ability to rank four different moves. Okay,

1108
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: here are your four potential moves. Trade up to one

1109
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: to take Kyler Murray and you're gonna write these one

1110
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: through four best value. Trade up to one to get

1111
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, slight Dwayne Haskins at six, Select Drew Locker

1112
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones at seventeen, or trade your second round pick

1113
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: us maybe another small asset for Josh Rosen. Rank those

1114
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: from me in your opinion? What's your preference? Order would be?

1115
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: Four goes to one? What the fourth one Rosen is

1116
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: my I'm ranking? Okay, So Rosen's number one. Just started

1117
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: throwing numbers and you can use the hell out of it, Okay,

1118
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: because we're talking about value here. Rosen is on his

1119
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: rookie contract. The Cardinals have already paid him his bonus money. Okay,

1120
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: he has a year of experience in the National Football League.

1121
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people think it's like, oh,

1122
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: it's a negative, you're only getting for four years. When

1123
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you're not getting him for his bed

1124
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: year when he's learning everything. I don't mind that. So

1125
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense to me. Um. I think

1126
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: that if because the word if I say, if you

1127
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: think that that quarterback is there, then obviously number four

1128
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: is not. You know that you're not going I think

1129
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: this is the most practical one. Okay, if you're going

1130
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: to look for that and you think it's the best

1131
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: value bank for your by I do I do Drew

1132
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: lock I or Jones? Take your pick. Either of those

1133
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: two I think have moved up a little bit because

1134
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: their pro days and just no more talk as we talked,

1135
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: as Dan has always said, this thing you know they

1136
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: move around. That was all kinds of stuff. But from

1137
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: a value standpoint, I don't see either one of those

1138
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: guys in the top. I'll take this seventeenth pick. Maybe

1139
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: maybe with the seventeen Well here's what here's my question.

1140
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: Would you rather have Haskins at six or Jones are

1141
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: locked at seventeen and Haskins has gone obviously somewhere else. Yeah,

1142
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: Haskins is to pay the quarterback at seventeen. Well, I'm

1143
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: telling you, would you rather what do you think is

1144
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: better value? Would you rather have Haskins with the six pick?

1145
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: Or would you rather have Jones or Locked with the

1146
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: seventeenth pick. I would probably rather have Jones or um

1147
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: Lock at the seventeenth pick because I think on the opposite,

1148
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: because I think there's more of this team needs more

1149
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: value ahead of the quarterback position right now defensively what

1150
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: my order would be, And I agree with you. I

1151
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: think that's fair. But I just don't know how the

1152
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: team feels about these other guys. You know, if I

1153
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: if I had the grades on them coming from you,

1154
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think about him? Though? Well,

1155
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: first of all, they're gonna sit behind Eli for a year. Sure,

1156
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: all these guys are gonna help. That's going to help them, Okay,

1157
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 1: So I mean that's where I think. Okay, I would

1158
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: have Rosen is my one too, So you and I

1159
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: are good there. I'm with you on that. I would

1160
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: probably have Haskins at six seconds. Can I tell you

1161
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 1: why I'm not. I didn't go there. I just don't

1162
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: feel that there's enough sample for for Haskins. I know

1163
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: he had a great year. I think that's a fair point,

1164
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: but I just don't I don't know enough about him.

1165
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: I wish he played had played another year. The way

1166
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: he improved over the course of the season made me

1167
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: feel better about You look like a much better player

1168
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: in the final three games than he did in his

1169
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: first three games, and that made me feel a lot

1170
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: better about If I was drafting the kid that I

1171
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: saw in October fifteen, i'd be really concerned. But I

1172
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: like the kid I saw in those final three, and

1173
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: I like his acumen for football. He's a smart dude,

1174
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: so he'll be able to get in and out of

1175
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: places Dan alluded to on on Friday, And those are

1176
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: the good things. I feel good about him representing the

1177
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: franchise from a from a personality perspective, all that stuff.

1178
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: I think he'd be great now. So that would be

1179
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: your second one. Yes, my third one would be trading

1180
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: up for Murray only because it will discounting him a

1181
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: little bit. If I'm picking a quarterback, I want the

1182
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: best one. And if you find the franchise quarterback, there's

1183
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: no price that's too big to go and get that guy.

1184
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: And I just don't This is just me, man, I

1185
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: just don't feel like I know he's a great athlete.

1186
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: I know he's but man, what happens if he has

1187
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: a bad year and things just don't go well and

1188
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he just wants to leave. That's

1189
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: why I'm gonna go play football baseball. I think that's

1190
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: a I think that the NFL teams have to judge that,

1191
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: which is why that's third on my list, and then

1192
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: fourth I've Lock and Jones. I'm just not sure how

1193
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: confident I am that those guys reach, you know, elite

1194
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: quarterback level. I think taking the personality completely out of it.

1195
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: I think Lack is a good personality. But in terms

1196
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: of on the field stuff, I see some Jake Cutler

1197
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: and Drew Lock. It's a good point. He kind of

1198
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: throws off his back foot big time on can all

1199
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: the throws. Like one player will be like, oh my god,

1200
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: this guy is the best quarterback ever. The next player like,

1201
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: what God's green earth was he doing. We've talked about

1202
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. He's gonna get you in every right position.

1203
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna throw the ten to fifteen yard balls. They're

1204
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: gonna be complete. Is he gonna miss some throws down

1205
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: the field just because he's not super duper talented. Yeah,

1206
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: and and and he's not good against a lot of rush,

1207
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: and so like, I'm afraid if you draft Daniel Jones,

1208
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: you're maxing yourself out at Andy Dawn level quarterback play.

1209
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's not a bad quarterback. Now, he's a fine quarterback.

1210
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: He led the Bengals to the place what six straight years.

1211
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: I actually like that comparison because it's a little bit

1212
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's not that he can move a little guy. Yeah,

1213
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: but he's good. He's a good quarterback. But do you

1214
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: want Do you want Andy Dalton? No? I don't want

1215
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: any Dalton. I want Eli Manning esque. I want a

1216
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna play for fifteen years and gonna take

1217
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: it of two Super Bowls. And I just don't know

1218
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: if those guys are there, which is why I would

1219
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: lean towards Lock over Jone, just because I think if

1220
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: he figures it out, the high end level play is there.

1221
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: If you can somehow make that a more consistent feature

1222
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: of his game. And in this game today, you need

1223
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: that type of player right exactly, you know. I mean

1224
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: you look at Mahomes that that's a guy that you

1225
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: get it because he can just sling it everywhere and

1226
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: he's got the arm to do it. And that's that's true.

1227
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: Lock So and again Pat Sherman knows a lot more

1228
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: about quarterback play than I do. So does Dave Gentleman

1229
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: and Chris Pettit if they believe these guys can be

1230
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: those high level quarterbacks by all means picking at seventeen

1231
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: and I'll yield to their expertise obviously, but I'm going

1232
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: on my you know, very Yeoman's look at this thing,

1233
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, non professional lie And that's what I say

1234
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: it is when I asked you a quick question before

1235
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: we go. So, so this Rosen thing, it's gonna have

1236
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: to come down sooner or later because when you're going

1237
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: into the draft, you're gonna have to understand who's your

1238
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: who these picks are or does it happen. Does it

1239
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: happen draft day? I think it happens before then. I

1240
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: think it'll be done by the weekend before the draft.

1241
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: If it happens at all, If it's not done by

1242
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: the weekend before the draft, I don't think it's gonna happen.

1243
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: And I think the eighth, April eighth, which is when

1244
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: Arizona reports, is it is a day to pay attention to. Also,

1245
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: I think Charles rom has had made a good point

1246
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: on that. I think it's a day to really watch

1247
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: carefully to see whether or not Josh Rosen is there.

1248
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: If he's not there, I think you have a pretty

1249
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: good idea. That's something correct, Jeff, good stuff. Good see

1250
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: you next week. Thanks for joining live. Tomorrow we have

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01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,240
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